I was an atheist since I was 13. My mom would always tell me I needed to get God back in my life, but I dismissed it, and I would make fun of Christians. My mom prayed for me all the time, and I began to believe in God at 28, and even believed the gospel, but I stayed in my sin for a few more years, and I gave my heart to Christ two days ago! With how terrible and useless of a sinner I was, if Christ can get ahold of me, then Abraham will be a piece of cake. Let's keep praying for him and the Piper family.
This video just proves Abraham Piper's point. Abraham is simply being honest about his perspective. Doesn't the Bible promote honesty? Also, stop playing the victim that he is mocking your faith. From his perspective, he is being vilified by his father and community simply for not agreeing with their religion anymore. Y'all need to grow up and act like real people. You aren't better than anyone.
@@Cheesesteakfreak Not sure what you believe in, but nothing wrong here. Salvation is of the Lord through Justification, Sanctification and Glorification. People will one day leave their family to form their own. They have to make their own decision, but it'll still painful to the family. That's why people pray for them. Mocking is a term to twist a truth. I didn't say THE truth, but this truth has already established its meaning and foundation through people of young, old, men, women and different generations. Abraham could just say he found something else more enlightening, but he didn't.
@@Cheesesteakfreak The commenter above is simply pointing out the sad reality here: a strained relationship between a father and his son. Mocking is an indication of bitterness, regardless of whoever it is directed towards, it is wrong. Mocking is also an invitation of strife and further quarrel. Blame, bitterness, and hate are foolish things that inevitably leads towards division (2 Timothy 2:23, Titus 3:9-11, 1 John 4:20-21). In such an unfortunate situation, pointing fingers is meaningless. The Bible instructs Christians to pray for healing on both sides as it is written in James 5:16.
Better hope that John Piper himself gets saved. John Piper is a false prophet who denies faith alone salvation and teaches a gospel of final salvation secured by holiness and good works. Abraham was simply unfortunate to have grown up in a home led by a father who teaches false religion.
To Pastor John: I too was like your son. But God encountered me in my sin. The Holy Spirit revealed to me who Jesus is. It happened not in church but while I was at the beach getting high and drunk, fornicating etc. But God just showered me with His love and i just knew by then I was Born Again. So the God who is able to do that to me can do the same for your son. Do not worry. Prayed to the Father to draw your son close to His Son. I hope this reaches you. God Bless you!
I am one of three that grew up in a Christian household and we all walked away from the church as adults. I have since in the past couple years come back as a born again Christian. My parents ask me and themselves what happened, what went wrong? There was no discipleship. They assumed we were getting what we needed from church, the childrens ministry was assuming we were getting the spiritual fuel we needed from home, and were instead catering messages to the "lost". Anyone who believes their children are saved because they go to church and "said a prayer" is sending their kids to hell for lack of knowledge! You must be BORN AGAIN. How can a child learn to be a born again adult if they have not been discipled? What they are left with is Christian morals and Christian-like behavior with a (false) reassurance of salvation. That is very different than the true gospel!!!!
You must let children live thier lives, God will take care of thier future. let me explain....I grew up in similar circumstances to you. I remember as a kid that we used to listen to Mrs G tapes and read her books...all Bible based but with such horrible stories such as those found in the Old Testament? not good, not good at all. I despised church and knew there was no 'power' in any of it. My parents faith got wrecked in the process of life. It was a miracle in itself that I heard the Gospel, in my early 20's, and what a shit storm that created...family and community didnt like my new faith. It was an incredibly deep time, but one I would go through again if I could. Let your kids be, I have seen some very miserable children, controlled by fanatical parents...its great to see the zeal, but when such faith is forced down thier necks...trouble will ensue. Always remember, if God built all the world and universe and so on...then Hes big enough to take care of all things.
You've made some good points. I think it's important to let kids keep their "fire" and unique spirit. What I see happening sometimes, and experienced myself, was a breaking down of self-esteem and confidence in hopes the child will submit to God and the Law which left me spiritually empty, insecure, rebellious, and confused. I think the biblical approach would be training up your kids to understand the word with confidence and pride, understanding the context of God's word ect. If it's BIBICAL there should be no resentment or confusion. I believe the approach my parents and church took is not bibical.
Exactly this. Expecting the church to disciple your children is dangerous. I remember plenty of youth camps, sermons about how to witness to your friends, abstinence seminars ... but I don’t recall being discipled at any point in children’s or youth ministry.
I'm glad you brought this up. Even though I was a Sunday school teacher myself I always believed that we should not have a youth ministry because of the tendency of parents to excuse themselves from teaching and discipling their children.
I finally watched Abraham Piper's Tik Tok, 4 of them, anyway. They weren't what I had heard. The first one I saw denigrated the authority of...the Bible?? No, James Dobson! I thought, hey, James Dobson is not the Bible, guys! He has even been heard to say (on Focus) that if the Bible says it's good for a man not to marry, and he, Dobson says otherwise, believe him, Dobson, because if you don't get married, you are missing it all: forget what God says in the Bible. In that way, and others, Dobson undermined the authority of the Bible for decades, but of course, never the authority of the conservative political movement. And nobody (next to) had a problem with him doing so. The Bible have a problem with divination and non-God-assisted time travel? No problem: just send your kids on a time travel trip to the Bible, where they become characters, and as sure as the Pavlovian Tinkerbell "ding", they'll be nice and cozy with "the Bible", enough to let it know it's place, and will have learned the more important conservative political principles, ideas which _really_ matter! You can learn to keep your kids "on your team," oozing lukewarm cup of cocoa-ness, and Hallmark-ness, too. "Ding!" No, I don't have a problem with him questioning _Focus on the Family_ at all. That is not all he questions, and I hated hearing him question the inerrancy of the Bible, and I hate to hear all this corrupt mess called "evangelical," since that name is supposed to mean gospel-oriented, born again Christianity, not the corruption of the past few decades, not that there wasn't corruption and false teaching before. I found Abraham Piper very likeable, and I agreed with a lot that he said. But he does appear to be in unbelief, so that is sad, but true of so many who are not saved, but subject to becoming saved. (It might do well to throw off the shackles of Paul Washer, and remember that the Bible speaks of "millions in the valley of decision”, and that God doesn't seem to have a problem with the validity of those decisions He asks us to make.) We can pray for people more, as if it made a difference, which Jesus said it does, although the people we pray for are ultimately responsible for their decisions.
@@The12thSeahorse What would a perfect biblical world be, though? Because the Bible is famous for having some very sordid scenes in it, all because that's what people did, not because that's what God wanted them to do. But everyone always condemns God as if He wanted those things, although according to His word, He didn't. But it's hardly a "perfect ... world"!
I feel sorry for John Piper regarding his son Abraham Piper.. I just saw how he mocked the Bible on TikTok... I pray for Abraham and John Piper during these hard times for both of them.
Apparently Abraham was one of the children Piper said he'd go into their room at night, and just watch them sleep, looking so sweet, and he said he loved them so much, then. But, he said, he had to "honestly" reckon with the "fact" that his boys might turn out to be some _whom God did not want to be saved._ This awful, supposed possibility, played heavily on the emotions of the crowd, who moaned audibly. I guess it likely that it played on his children's emotions, too. But this is what he could have done, instead: simply believe God's word, instead of the reasoning of Calvin and Augustine. After all, isn't it true, that whenever we choose the philosophical reasoning of theologians, *_over_* the inspired, revealed word of God, the conclusion is going to be error, and probably a worse stumbling block than it seems at the moment? The devil wouldn't manipulate us to call the words of man the truth, and the word of God a lie, negligible, laughable, of little importance, weak, puny and evil, if he did not have something to gain for his kingdom, and his project of destroying souls, keeping people blind, etc. Anyway, what the could have believed is what Jesus the Son of God said: Jesus, the ultimate authority on the heart of God in salvation, then he would not have had that heartbreaking (but false) dilemma to wrestle with, and neither would he or anyone else have to wrestle with this false, unloving god, if we just believe the true God's eternal word: Matthew 18:14 *Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.* That's Jesus who said that, and He did not say it because He "hated sovereignty", or wanted to advance "humanism" or "emotionalism" over God's sovereign will. In reality, He is not one bit in disagreement with the Father, and yet he said that it was "not the will of the Father that one of these little ones perish". Who is telling the truth: Augustine, Calvin, Piper and Wilson, or Jesus?
That is awesome @linda johnson. I totally agree. I was so drowned in reformed theology thati miss what God rlly wants to tell me. Lets pray for John Piper and His family
@@lindajohnson4204 That is exactly what that sick and twisted John Piper has done to his son and everyone his lying lips he has preached to. It makes me sick how baby and phoney christians hold John Piper up as a saint when he is a devil in human clothing.
@@truth7416 I'm very concerned about this, and unless Piper _allows_ the Holy Spirit to open his eyes, and repents of his false teaching against the love of God, how can this not have a disastrous outcome for so many people? God will lead people out of false teaching if the want to find Him, but Calvinism so misrepresents God, who'd want to actually know that god? You have to let the Holy Spirit and the word, His sword (described as a surgical instrument), show you the truth to lead you out of error. I wish everyone would, but I doubt that they will.
I have four children raised in the church with Christian parents. None walk with the Lord. The father after 26 years of marriage divorced me to remarry another woman he met on a dating site, while married to me. He introduced the woman to three of our kids when he was still my husband. The youngest never met her because he would have exposed his father about dating while married to his mother. He divorced me in court telling the judge I was holding him hostage in a marriage. Well, imagine how that’s impacted our children. They want nothing to do with the Lord. BUT, I’m TRUSTING the Lord. Trusting Him that the seed that was planted the Lord can water it and draw them to Him! I serve a greater God who raises the dead! He created the universe. I did the best I could raising my kids. I’ve asked them to forgive me for my shortcomings. I trust God has it all in control. This is a great message.
be ready to answer them and God why they CAN trust Jesus (1Pet 3:15). If you believe in "limited atonement" and "unconditional election" there is no way you can look your children in the eye and tell them Jesus died for them bc you have no idea who are the "elect" .... BUT the bible lays out exactly what are the conditions to enter the Kingdom of God so... study to show yourself approved by studying the Word of God yourself.... Calvinism is a lie for people who trust televangelists but do NOT read their bibles for themselves!
@HappyToOblige ...take my yoke upon you, *_and learn of me_* (Matt 11:29) because the gospel is the power of God unto salvation to anyone who believes (Romans 1:16) Faith comes by hearing, hearing the word of God (Rom 10:17). (Gal 1:6-9)... (John 8:31-32, John 15:3-8) Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, (see 2Pet 2:2-9) ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. (2Pet 1:10-11) -Jesus takes away the sins of the world (John 1:29) -Jesus tasted death for every man (Heb 2:9), All like sheep have gone astray and All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. (Isaiah 53:6) -...this is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation for therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. These things command and teach. (1Tim 4:9-11) -this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. (1Tim 2:3-6) - ...and if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world and hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (1John 2:1-3) . (John 3:14-21, John 5:24)... 2Cor 5:18-21 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
You can hear the pain in his own voice when talking about this subject. It’s probably a subject he has spent many late nights learning for himself personally.
I know so many kids who walked away from their faith due to pressure and force from parents while they were growing up. It's so important to teach kids to have primary personal faith with Jesus instead of secondary faith through parental figures.
Amen. Many Christian parents seem to think that forcing their children to put up the outward appearance of Christianity is the same as their kid having an actual inward conversion within.
While this can be the case there are some kids who leave the faith regardless nor want anything to do with with. I think the hard truth can be expressed and I wish John didn’t dance around it.
I'm sure John was aware of this. But he was being faithful to proverbs 22:6, "to train them up in the way of the Lord so they will not depart from it".
@@Minetic however we know if we force our kids to do sports or to get good grades,etc they are more like to resent and reject our desires for them, even if our intentions are good.
ther is no one-size-fits all. However you raise them up, their salvation isn't in your hands. And if you leave them alone and don't teach them anything regarding your faith, for example, and they end up lost, God will ask you their souls. So you should teach them, and be as adaptive and responsive to each one's personality as possible, keeping in mind that you are a sower who doesn't know where the seed is landing.
I was born when my father was attending Bible seminary. Once I left home for high school and college, I lived as a hypocrite because I didn't leave the church since my older brothers were there, I just lived the remaining days of the week away from God. Although I felt so much shame and guilt toward God and my family, because my parents did everything right.in bringing me up as christian parent should, I felt trapped in immorality. It took a long time, but I came back and confessed to the Lord. This happens a lot to the children of pastors. What I've come to realize is that we are warn against so many things, that the first time we feel a little freedom we decide to experiment and unfortunately some never come back. I'll always regret that time in my life because I was presuming on God's grace. I could have died in my sins then. Let us all pray for Abraham and his father.
can you look your child in the face and tell them with 100% certainty that Jesus died to reconcile them to God? If not, you have false gospel and are NOT serving as an Ambassador for Christ (2Cor 5:14-21)... but you are scattering her abroad (Matt 12:30) Calvinists like Piper and MacArthur and Sproul have a false gospel: The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (2Pet3:9). if you do not believe God wants ALL men to be saved (because you have been taught a fraudulent definition of "election") then you yourself do not know if you are saved....
@@inTruthbyGrace AMEN. An honest Calvinist can't even look themselves in the mirror and say they know for certainty that God truly loves them, let alone tell anyone else.
Pray that God send someone across her path with the message of the Gospel she will listen to. Calvinism is wrong about God pre-determining who will and will not be saved. Christ died for everyone and anyone who will believe will be saved. Some will, some will not, ANYONE can. If this were not true prayers would not matter anyway. There is no verse in scripture which, in its proper context, declares all men are born unable to respond to God or the Gospel.
Its upsetting the way you went about this. Piper is pouring his heart out about his kids and parenting and Madam needs prayer for her daughter and you came here for a debate.
I would remind any parent of the story of Manasseh. Manasseh's father was the Hezakia the greatest King that Judah (and Israel) had ever known, and yet his son Manasseh was the most wicked King Israel had ever had. Manasseh did such evil in the eyes of the Lord that he made Israel more evil than the surrounding nations. He sacrificed children to Moloch, placed idols in the temple of God, shed tons of innocent blood, including God's prophet Isaiah, he destroyed all of the ancient scrolls containing Gods Word he could find, and committed other atrocities. Surely of anyone God would look on this man in contempt, hatred, and resent him. Yet we see that when Manasseh is carried away by Assyria and is in great distress, Manasseh cries out to God and the Lord hears his prayers, forgives him, and returns him home. And then it says "Then Manasseh knew that the LORD was God." 2 Chronicles 33:11-13. This text shows that even the most vial man who aims his sin directly against God is not beyond Gods forgiveness if he truly repents and cries out for salvation. Hezakia was a God fearing man, with a God rebelling son and yet his son came to know God in the end. No one is beyond God's saving, and no ones children is ever beyond redemption.
"We must build our lives on the gospel and not on parenting successes." Thank you for reminding us what the our focus needs to be, despite the pain of the truth...
The real problem is that John Piper himself is unsaved and believes and teaches a false gospel of works salvation and final salvation secured by holiness.
I wasn't looking for this but it came up right after a video I'd been watching about a completely different subject but did I ever need to hear it! I'm so grateful that the Lord put this in front of me today. I've been so worried about my nieces' salvation even though they're small, I'm always on my brother to live right and talk right in front of them so that they will know the Lord before the world tries to devour them whole. This settles my heart. I will continue to pray over them but will give them to God.
Pastor John thanks for ur answers to today's ask question , it is very deep and understanding of ur answers can only be gotten from reading and re-reading of the scriptures which I will continue to do as the word of God bring more light and shows us more light and wisdom to walk in the light of the word of GOD , I say thanks again for dis shedding of light to some difficult questions .
Dad here!! I absolutely have so loved being a dad and when they were little worried about all the things dads worry over and I can say with absolute certainty that watching them walk away has been the hardest thing I’ve had to do! So timely
I walked away as a young adult. Sometimes we just need to learn things the hard way. My advice FWIW: Admit any responsibility for shortcomings, apologize. Also ask God’s forgiveness and know that you are forgiven - don’t allow the enemy to beat up you over it! God wants to bless you and use you to bless others every day and he can’t do that if you’re stuck in the past. Tell them you love them no matter what. Keep the door of relationship open, but don’t beg. That lowers their respect for you and causes guilt, which makes them want to avoid you. Keep praying for them. ❤️
As a parent, there is nothing more terrifying to me than the thought of my children walking away from the Lord. It almost makes me want to stop having any more children because I have so much trouble trusting the Lord with their eternities. I have no power over the Sovereign election of God. I struggle immensely trying to understand this area. It is, at times, utterly crippling to my faith.
If in your mind, their eternal life is so important, why risk them not going to Heaven if you have that ability? You're risking your children being condemned by your god to an eternity of hell. With your theology, would this not be more merciful? You would be automatically sending your children to an eternity of being with God. I'm not trying to be facetious, but would this not make sense? If Christians truly believed what they claim to believe, this would make sense.
I see the point you are making, but you can't use this argument to condone murder. That's very twisted thinking. Murder, especially against something as innocent as a child, cannot be justified. But as I'm not very good at debating, I'll direct you to this exact question as answered by the same pastor of this video. ruclips.net/video/tH5nt_NzR9Y/видео.html
But I do agree that I struggle with the idea of purposefully having a child, if there is not guarantee of heaven. As you said, why risk it? So, should Christians just adopt children already born and raise them in the Word of God in hopes that they will receive the gospel. Something they might not even hear about in another home? I'm not sure. I feel that purposefully not having children because you don't trust God isn't having very much faith in his ultimate goodness, is it? As I said, it's a struggle for me too!
The steadfastness God has grown in John Piper, in the face of incredibly hard issues and realities, has strengthened my faith time and time again. God is faithful to give us His Word, His children (fellow believers), His Son, and His Holy Spirit, along with Pastors and Teachers. I am forever thankful for the help God has poured out to us through these things …of which John Piper is such a help.
Everyone who's here after watching some Abraham Piper, and are shocked at 'How can a pastor's son be like that?', look up Barnabas Piper here on youtube. He's also Ptr John's son, and he's a Christian.
Sadly, his wife divorced him. Not placing blame, just sad. Providentially, despite his loss he has become closer to God through the experience. Perhaps reconciliation might be possible in the future.
@@MikeHammer1 There are a lot of factors that could lead to divorce, and indeed, it's sad how the rate has increased among evangelical pastors in recent years. It's not easy to keep a family and be in ministry at the same time. I know of a pastor who was also divorced, and it has lead him to a closer walk with God. He found a purpose partner years later, and the new wife and him are both actively serving in ministry for a decade now. I think pastors need more prayers from the congregation rather than them doing all the praying for their flock. Praying for Ptr John's family to be restored. It's sad to see the enemy doing the divide and conquer strategy on his family.
Very well explained. I agree. Also that proverb, "Train up a child and when he is grown he will not depart from it", I surely think is in regard morals and habitual behaviour and not in regard to election as children of God, that is; salvation.
This is me, Deut 11:19- You shall teach them to your children, speaking of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up. I tell my kids constantly about God/Jesus/Holy Spirit/God’s Word. But yes God will have mercy on whom He will give mercy. My kids have to at least know the truth.
We yearn for our children and want them desperately to know and love the Lord, doing our best to bring them up in godly ways and modelling the gospel to them sacrificially. We all make mistakes and when we confess our sins the Lord graciously forgives us. Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed We don’t know who is and who isn’t or why the Lord chooses some and not others. This includes our family. I am so humbled by this. That takes the pressure off us (as if we could save anyone, it’s the Holy Spirit who melts hard hearts). Let’s not be discouraged but continue in prayer and let’s pray for Abraham, that he would know the living God. What joy this would bring to Pastor John and Noel.
@Brandon Fertig; I was baptized at 18, lost my faith after experiencing trauma and lived my 20's as an atheist. Slowly I returned as I felt God's gentle call back. Pastor John's son is not lost. I wouldn't write him off.
@@gmac8586 sounds like you just expressed being lost :) faith doesn’t leave, though. Believers backslide, but a true believer can’t be regenerated and justified in the eyes of God and have that revoked. The Holy Spirit doesn’t perform miraculous heart surgery more than one time on a person. In Abraham’s case… “he went out from us because he was not of us”… but we serve a God who is might to save, and til he takes his last breath it’s not too late for his heart to be replaced with a heart of flesh that is receptive to the Spirit. ❤️🩹
Trust in God. He is able. He is faithful. He gave us His only begotten Son of the Father, Jesus Christ who is FULL of both GRACE and TRUTH. Pray without ceasing. God hears the prayer of the righteous in Christ Jesus. Faith, Hope and Love...and of the LOVE is the greatest.
I failed my dying Dad - by being too scared after he abused me for so long; words failed me. My faith failed. I failed three of my children -- none of them stayed in the Church. Too scared to pray openly and man up. It's not an excuse, but my relationship with my Dad really messed with me and affects everything I do and all that I am. Been a Christian for over 30 years and yet, sit here typing this knowing that I am a failure. I think of my Dad and where he might be now -- and it makes me hate myself. What if I had just spoken openly and truthfully; what if I had told him (once again) who I believe in? And my children --- what if they don't trust Christ? The pain is unbearable. :(
I'm praying for you and your children. Remeber when Peter denied Jesus three times? He fell, yes, but he didn't fail. Even before he denied Christ, Jesus promised to redeem him in Matthew 36. Repent and ask the Lord for strength through the power of His Holy Spirit. He is so faithful. The burden is heavy, but in Jesus, you can find rest (Matthew 11:28-29). He's able to heal you from your abuse (Isaiah 53:5), and strengthen you in times of fear (2 Tim 1:7). Strain forward from your past mistakes and keep trusting in God.
Gods grace is new every morning. Don't forget, God does not reject a broken heart and contrite spirit. He is close to you and He is waiting for you to just surrender. Ask for forgiveness, for failing, for giving in to fear, for being passive, forgive yourself. Do not let the past allow to determine your future. Your past mistakes have been done, so what, let go of it, you can have a new start with God right now. Was not Manasse a bad and evil king? Yet in his last days he returned to God and started cleaning up his kingdom. Do not underestimate Gods power, He can still do more than you could ever ask or imagine. We are saved by grace, not by our works. We are saved by faith not trough a perfect life. The enemy will accuse you, for he is the accuser but he is also a liar. There is forgiveness for you and God does not just forgive, he forgets, he removes your guilt as far as the east is from the west. God will cause you to will and to act according to His word. He will equip you for every good work. Be blessed, mighty man of God!
Think again of Gods chosen, think of Paul, and his life before Christ, think of his actions, how could he ever forgive himself? Your right, he nor you nor me deserve Christ, but that’s not the point, God tells us this throughout the whole bible, He shows us through Christ, he is what makes us deserving, he is what redeems us, we are horrible, but Jesus is so great, So Loving, we are saved, forgiven, and loved because of him, keep working, work for no man but work for God, as hard as you can, just as Paul did, through the strength of Christ.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. 7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace (Ephesians 1:3-7, NASB) It isn't up to us to save anyone. It's in God's hands. Errors from our side didn't decide anyone's fate ultimately. Trust that God is in control. Those who belong to Jesus gave up the right to evaluate themselves. Don't call yourself a failure. If we are hidden in Christ we are a new creation and God looks on us with favor because we are in his son. Warning: hating yourself is self centered sin like pride. How could Jesus forgive you but you don't forgive yourself? That is holding your standards higher than God's justice. Respond to his kindness.
Fear is a hard and complicated thing. Keep pressing into God and keep praying. Prayer is not our last resort, that’s how things change in this world. Praying for boldness and that root of fear to be removed. Blessings brother!
This worries me! I'm a born again Christian and I am about to give my 8 year old daughter daughter her first Bible study and get her to start praying regularly to God. I have got her "my first child bible" which she really enjoyed. I have time on my side to show her the essence and wonder of God the father, the son Jesus & the Holy Spirit.
plant the "seed" the lord will flourish it when the time is right.....be we must at least plant the seed but if are expecting instant results this is where we fail...gods timing is perfect
Evangelical Christianty is devoid of Mysticism and will not make it past the 21st Century. The Rigidity, Pharisee-ism and Legalism cannot be sustained any further. That is why people are going apostate in droves. God is going to burn this whole shebang to the ground🔥🔥🔥
I feel like I need to add to Pastor John's advice. The writer doesn't just feel sad but depressed. So I wonder about that. Feeling "so depressed" about unsaved children would make me ask myself "am I parenting for God first; or am I putting my children before God or my ego, or need to control before God? Am I depressed because my parenting might be looking bad and so I'm angry because I look incompetent- is it my pride? Could I be depressed because I don't have control over my children and I'm secretly mad at God because I'm not getting my way? Do we trust that God knows best? In Ephesians when we're given instructions on family relations, I understand these to mean commandments. We submit as wives for example because we're obeying and adoring God 1st, regardless of how believing or loving the husband is. Same with being a boss, or a parent. God looks at how we please him in our role, not at the choices of the child, the employee or the husband. It's God's job to judge us all and our worth should be in God's judgement of our hearts, not how much praise from other people we receive by how great our children turned out. Did you raise your children in the Lord when they were young? God knows you did your best and just as he respects your freedom, he also values and respects your child's. Their path also needs to be unique and different from yours. He knows what they need. Maybe God will give them hardship. Maybe they'll repent on their death bed long after you're gone. Your adult child is ultimately God's responsibility, not yours. I like Jesus' attitude towards earthly families. " Who are my brothers, my sisters and my mother? They are those who hear and obey God's word. " He put his relationship with God 1st and had a detachment with the earthly family. Of course he loved his unbelieving family, he arranged for his mother's care for example but eventually, at least two of his siblings became believers and even Church leaders! How things changed! Trust God. Keep praying to God that he will work in his way and time with the people in your life and cherish God and his peace and let him love you and give you what you need.
While in my house, my children will serve the Lord. Once they leave home, I pray that they will not turn from Christianity. I pray often that they will turn into God fearing, humble, wise men. All I can do is pray and live by example. God will do the rest if it is His will.
This is painful. I cant imagine. But I pray God redirects them to himself. The devil will test you so hard to break the work you do for God. Am glad you are strong. My faith too, has been tested. And almost broke. So, as a parent don't feel bad. You did your job. Faith is a choice, a journey. some give up, some make it. It's a personal relationship we all have to face to believe in God
I so appreciate this pastoral advice. But I kinda feel like the answer is still “free will.” Every child is a free moral agent and they choose to follow Christ or they don’t. And while we can set an example, lead them to the faith, pray diligently-we cannot choose to believe for them.
I'm here right now. I'm the unbelieving son, and I left the faith today. Hopefully God one day grants me true faith and repentance, because I can't get it myself.
That’s right. We can’t attain it ourselves. Ask God for it. Praying for you! Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
I always regret not taking my son to church. As a divorced mom, I bought my son things and took him on vacations. He was always a good kid til 18. Now he is an alcoholic, selling drugs and a fence straddling Muslim. I always kick myself. As well as I am upset at my mother for not raising me in the Word of God.
I think the difference here is between exposing a child to church and actually RAISING them in the way the Bible states. Pastor Piper has admitted that he probably didn't give the attention he needed to his son in favor of the greater church ministry he was leading. I've unfortunately seen it happen numerous times with legitimate pastors like Piper and with the phonies I've encountered that were more concerned with their own pomposity and building the biggest congregation for their own glorification 😞 It has actually scared me to think about being a pastor after seeing this happen to the child of a legitimate man of God like Piper :(
I clean 5 churches and know some of them and their young and adult children and I see it through and through and when I clean the staff offices I pray for them and their families:)
A question that OUR HEAVENLY FATHER could ask of those who REJECT HIS SON...as their SAVIOR....What more could HE have done for those children that HE gave free will....John 3:16...HE will wipe away ALL tears...
My son is on drugs I lost my youngest one in January of 2023 I took him in last night he told me he wanted help 😪 I had to asked him this morning at 6am to leave 😢and so heart ❤️ broken 💔
My parents didn't fail me. They raised me with a firm grounding in the Word, leading by word and example. They were, of course, far from perfect, but all things considered they did a fantastic job. I still walked away from the church and from faith. Why? Because the core values they taught me - to think for myself, and to love everyone, including my enemies - were antithetical to the picture of God that the modern evangelical church espouses. If I ever come back to some form of Christianity, it will not be because of the doctrines my parents believe, but because of the love they and others hold.
Reading some of these comments is disheartening. Especially the person who said by lack of discipling our children (as parents) we are sending them to hell. Parents are people. More than that, people on their own life path learning, growing, and changing in Christ. I have done my best to disciple and raise my children for Christ with the limited tools I had as young Christian. I became a mom at 16 and didn’t come to accept Christ until I was 23. Even then it was a long road of learning, trying, failing, and learning again. There was so much I didn’t know back then. It really made me sad to read some of these comments. It shows me that there really is no such thing as winning. Even the best we can bring for the people we are in any given season will never be enough.
This is sad. But luckily God will find the lost luke 15:4. Abraham Piper will be found again!! And all of your lost ones will be found again, rejoice in that. God bless you all.
I would never damn myself. I admire the boldness, but I cannot comprehend that someone really would contemplate hell in order to have someone else saved. I'm totally egotistical in that regard. Jesus, remember me when you come in your kingdom, even if everyone else should perish. I want to be saved.
@@codybest2709 wow!! I have four kids. I love them, my only wish is for them to be saved. But I care about my own salvation first. I would die for them. Just not eternally.
I pray that Abraham Piper will eventually see clearly that he is eating pignuts and return to God as a prodigal son. I too had such a journey although I think I had better arguments to support my position as a trained naturalist. God in His grace saw fit to draw me back to Christ in spite of my bias against it. It took six years from the first clear signs to the first profession of faith in Christ but I pray that John Piper and the listener will see such a change in their children too.
Acts 16:31 is the verse you are referring to, but if you read all the way to vs 34 it says ' he was filled with joy because he had come to believe in God - he and his whole household'. So, the question is, were they saved because they believed, or because they belonged to his household? Were they saved apart from personal faith?
John, be humble enough to step down from the pulpit and go make things right with your son. Doing this will show him that you care more about his salvation than your paycheck or notoriety.
I'm surprised this comment didn't get the Piper hyper-devotees attacking you left and right. you're right...stepping down in humility over his son's apostasy would have been the greatest testament to his son of how much he loves him and wants to see his soul saved.
The worst part is that John Piper is a Calvinist so he can easily fit him(Abraham)(son) into the unelect category rather then take responsibility for his actions
John Piper: let me be really, extra excruciating with you. Oh, and by the way, just after the 4 minute mark, I’ll provide a wonderful justification that I must’ve done a great job. It was on THEM. Love you, Piper
Upon seeing the title of this episode, I thought JP was going to speak of his personal journey, of his unbelieving children, and offer some self-reflection, but there was none. I do appreciate the advice he gave to parents who are be asking this question, which was biblically sound, although I'm not able to reconcile his theistic determinism with his advice. Presented in tandem, they are wholly incongruous. But, what he instructs here, separately, is great.
God never promised to save anyone’s children. Proverbs is a principle not a promise. There is no incongruity; salvation is always of the Lord. We are called as parents to obey and teach our children. But ultimately, each of our children are responsible to God for their own sin. “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” This is a hard saying, but “who are you, O man, who answers back to God?”
Matt you are absolutely correct. Piper's Theology says God unconditionally choose to hate most people even before He created them. He infallibly determined their response of rebellion towards Himself even before they were born and God NEVER loved or intended to love them at any time as laid out clearly in Limited Atonement and Unconditional Election and (Reprobation). Since the TULIP systematic is so anti-Biblical even Piper has to go against what his own system would dictate. Thankfully he has enough sense to not be consistent with TULIP at times.
@@lindaredden8538 Matt you are absolutely correct. Piper's Theology says God unconditionally choose to hate most people even before He created them. He infallibly determined their response of rebellion towards Himself even before they were born and God NEVER loved or intended to love them at any time as laid out clearly in Limited Atonement and Unconditional Election
People can have happy moments without believing in God. That is not the part Christians should grieve about. Christians aim to have as many people into heaven as possible. They believe heaven is perfect and only perfect people can enter heaven. That means nobady can enter heaven. God made it possible for non perfect people (everyone) to enter heaven by letting Jesus pay for all our sins. Thats why Christians hope everyone believe in Jesus.
@@dedmo79 Carrot and stick is punish when doing something bad and reward for doing good? As far as i know. The Gospel says. God loves us. Even with the mistakes we make. But God is holy and heaven is a perfect place. A perfect heaven cant accept non perfect things to enter. (I think we would be destroyed by the cleansing bright lights that heaven is showing if we would stand before the heaven gate.) We all make mistakes and do wrong. 1 mistake is enough to make us not good enough to enter heaven cause its a perfect place.
We can try to do good things and thats good (God loves it when we do good) but remember. The bad things we have done cant be erased from history. (that means we can try as hard as possible but we will never be good enough. a Christian should know that and never boast cause they should know they are far from perfect in Gods eyes) in other religions, their God forgives us when we ask for forgiveness. But ask yourself. When someone steals something or tells a lie and then helps an old granny cross the road. A just judge will have to punish us for one thing we did wrong. It would not matter if we do good things after that. If God would let that slide it means God is not holy and perfect cause God would than accept bad things. God loves us but cant accept bad things into heaven. The payment for our sins should be death (our life) Now the question comes how the heck can we enter into a heaven perfect heaven when we are not perfect? And there Jesus comes into the picture.
@@MrTahref thanks. believe in Jesus=doing something good=go to heaven. Don’t believe in Jesus=ping something bad=going to hell. sounds exactly like carrots and sticks, no?
That is not the point. The point is that if you do not put your faith in Jesus, you will go straight to hell. As you will need to pay for your own offences towards a holy God. There is coming a day when this earth will be burnt up and cleansed of wicknedness and apostasy. If it was about morals, then Jesus would not have needed to come at all. You could just be good and that's it. And by the way, there is nobody good. That is why we need Jesus.
We obey the Lord by the grace of God, not my corrupt motivation and ability. Our hope for the grace and mercy upon us and our house is Romans 8.28, &.32, Gal 3.13, and Luke 1.37, 18.27, Mark 10.27. Also, if a person is alive, isn't there hope for their being saved?
When I saw the beginning of the RUclips video saying Piper is not qualified to minister, I immediately remembered Samuel’s Priest, whose 2sons went astray, and down-thumbed it. That is Ill-processed and is wrong.
In this video Piper highlights the need to pray earnestly that those we love will be saved; what ever happened to chosen before the foundation of the world?
@@jstap5434 So what is the point of praying for someone who God, before the foundation of the world and before they did anything good or bad, decided that He did not want to save them.
@@chipboyle3616 I was actually expecting to be challenged on my statement that Calvinists believe God does not want to save all people. The best thing Calvinists can do is ask the Lord who the elect are, including themselves, because the elect will be saved no matter what. What a strange belief unconditional election is!
Abraham Piper is simply doing what God ordained,according to his Papa John P. To Quote " God can ordain sin without sinning" John P, So when people say pray for Abe P, WHY God ordained, Predestined Abe P to do exactly what He is doing! Why pray against what God Ordained? God ordained His self destruction! What a mighty God We Serve! He is a Good Good Father! Halleluyah for Reformed Theology, doesn't it make you happy God did not ordain You to self destruct! Who is like our God!
If the children have accepted Christ for themselves as Lord and Savior through and through- they can turn amd run for a time, but no one can be plucked from the Fathers hand. John 10:28-30. So I think it boils down to their own relationship with the Lord. Do they have it or not. They may have questions, doubts and be prodigals even- but the Lord will bring them. They can not be plucked from His hands.
@@billtalker3843hmm well ask the Holy Spirit to Reveal it to you. Ask them, do you know Jesus. Is He Lord of your life? Do you believe in your heart God raised him from the dead? Children are honest. Teen May start to grapple amd we need to be real and answer their questions and don’t fake it. If we don’t know something, say that and we’ll find out together. We sometimes just don’t create safe spaces to ask questions, they get their heads chewed off when they do in our frustration if we don’t have the answer for something the world had now presented. The world has an answer to teens questions albeit worldly, but they answer. We sometimes don’t at all, and the enemy takes home Court advantage when we do that. Also the Bible says to test every spirit, Every spirit. We will know them by their fruits. May be not just all their doing in life, we look at that as producing fruit, but the Bible is a book of Spiritual laws, for spiritual eyes and for ppl born of the spirit. The words are spirit and thus beyond nature or the natural. Fruit maybe talking about the fruits of the spirit. Do they have it? Love, joy peace patience kindness goodness gentleness self control. 1. Pray about it- God will reveal it. 2. Trust the Lord with them. They too have a path. We have understanding that the enemy is after your children as young as in the womb. If they can’t be killed they will be snatched, devoured, or destroyed. We must train up a bit better in the spirit. Well versed in Gods laws. The same ones the adversary will use to discredit us before God, and which if unrepentant use as open in our defenses against him. It’s all there in Gods word. Just need to put it together, work and at the end of the day- rest in Him knowing as parents, we did our best to raise them as they should go, but they too have trials, tests and a walk they must walk especially if they count the cost of following Christ. It’s all still worth it. But hey, the enemy will not hold up becuase your child is under age and not ready by our standards to deal with his attacks. Hope that helps. I dove in deeply on this, but if you have spiritual understanding then you know what I’m saying. If not pray about what I’m saying. The Lord will give you the scriptures. We need not fear Satan, but he is relentless and he will not stop coming after the children of God especially to spite God. Isaiah7, matt 7, Romans 10
Proverbs 22:6 (YLT) Give instruction to a youth about his way, (because) Even when he is old he turneth not from it. LXX Dedicate (consecrate) the child according to his way and indeed if he should grow old, he will not depart from it. Seems to be talking about 2 ways marking out a contrast from one that is greater over one that is lesser. The way of the child is the lesser of the 2, whereas a parent's warning and dedication to the right way of living is the greater.
get off in a prayer closet . put on sackcloth and ashes like the people of Nineveh did . weep and wail.. weep and wail wail that your children might be saved from eternal destruction. wail that the spirit of stiff neck rebellion be broken asunder and that they be brought to the foot of cross fully humbled in their hearts. don't faint ....be as the widow who troubled the judge saying to him continually " avenge me of my adversary!!" Let the cry go up ... let the cry go up... stand in faith...our Father hears and he answers.
Many children of true believers are just cultural christians and are not really united with Christ, theree is a fine line there, some are outright mockers I have one of those
You can try and indoctrinate your children from a young age before they have the capacity to reason, but don't be surprised if that doesn't always work out. Sometimes it is best to let your children wander for a season and discover God on their own terms, far away from the safety and comforts of the fold. That is why the prodigal son is the most frequently and relentlessly preached Parable in the entire Bible.
I was an atheist since I was 13. My mom would always tell me I needed to get God back in my life, but I dismissed it, and I would make fun of Christians. My mom prayed for me all the time, and I began to believe in God at 28, and even believed the gospel, but I stayed in my sin for a few more years, and I gave my heart to Christ two days ago!
With how terrible and useless of a sinner I was, if Christ can get ahold of me, then Abraham will be a piece of cake. Let's keep praying for him and the Piper family.
Amen.
@@ChristcentredNaturalgee Amen
Thankyou for your testimony. Amen
You didnt fail Pastor. God is in control. We Love you Pastor Piper
Praying for you and Abraham, pastor John.
This video just proves Abraham Piper's point. Abraham is simply being honest about his perspective. Doesn't the Bible promote honesty? Also, stop playing the victim that he is mocking your faith. From his perspective, he is being vilified by his father and community simply for not agreeing with their religion anymore. Y'all need to grow up and act like real people. You aren't better than anyone.
@@Cheesesteakfreak Not sure what you believe in, but nothing wrong here. Salvation is of the Lord through Justification, Sanctification and Glorification. People will one day leave their family to form their own. They have to make their own decision, but it'll still painful to the family. That's why people pray for them. Mocking is a term to twist a truth. I didn't say THE truth, but this truth has already established its meaning and foundation through people of young, old, men, women and different generations. Abraham could just say he found something else more enlightening, but he didn't.
@@Cheesesteakfreak
The commenter above is simply pointing out the sad reality here: a strained relationship between a father and his son.
Mocking is an indication of bitterness, regardless of whoever it is directed towards, it is wrong. Mocking is also an invitation of strife and further quarrel. Blame, bitterness, and hate are foolish things that inevitably leads towards division (2 Timothy 2:23, Titus 3:9-11, 1 John 4:20-21). In such an unfortunate situation, pointing fingers is meaningless. The Bible instructs Christians to pray for healing on both sides as it is written in James 5:16.
@@Cheesesteakfreak yeah that’s not what Abraham is doing bro. You’re just wrong.
Better hope that John Piper himself gets saved. John Piper is a false prophet who denies faith alone salvation and teaches a gospel of final salvation secured by holiness and good works.
Abraham was simply unfortunate to have grown up in a home led by a father who teaches false religion.
I came here after watching Whatdoyoumeme's latest video...
Same here, but I got recommended. I guess the algorithm found lots of people searched and found after seeing WYM video, so it recommended it to me.
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@@nonami_066xswqoqowiwl repent you wicked sinner or your gonna burn in hell!
To Pastor John:
I too was like your son. But God encountered me in my sin. The Holy Spirit revealed to me who Jesus is. It happened not in church but while I was at the beach getting high and drunk, fornicating etc. But God just showered me with His love and i just knew by then I was Born Again. So the God who is able to do that to me can do the same for your son. Do not worry. Prayed to the Father to draw your son close to His Son. I hope this reaches you. God Bless you!
Thank you. I pray he sees it and is encouraged. God bless you!!! ❤️🙏🏾
Let's all pray for Pastor John and Abraham. We all need mercy. Listening to this more and my heart is just breaking...
I am one of three that grew up in a Christian household and we all walked away from the church as adults. I have since in the past couple years come back as a born again Christian. My parents ask me and themselves what happened, what went wrong? There was no discipleship. They assumed we were getting what we needed from church, the childrens ministry was assuming we were getting the spiritual fuel we needed from home, and were instead catering messages to the "lost". Anyone who believes their children are saved because they go to church and "said a prayer" is sending their kids to hell for lack of knowledge! You must be BORN AGAIN. How can a child learn to be a born again adult if they have not been discipled? What they are left with is Christian morals and Christian-like behavior with a (false) reassurance of salvation. That is very different than the true gospel!!!!
You must let children live thier lives, God will take care of thier future. let me explain....I grew up in similar circumstances to you. I remember as a kid that we used to listen to Mrs G tapes and read her books...all Bible based but with such horrible stories such as those found in the Old Testament? not good, not good at all. I despised church and knew there was no 'power' in any of it. My parents faith got wrecked in the process of life. It was a miracle in itself that I heard the Gospel, in my early 20's, and what a shit storm that created...family and community didnt like my new faith. It was an incredibly deep time, but one I would go through again if I could. Let your kids be, I have seen some very miserable children, controlled by fanatical parents...its great to see the zeal, but when such faith is forced down thier necks...trouble will ensue. Always remember, if God built all the world and universe and so on...then Hes big enough to take care of all things.
You've made some good points. I think it's important to let kids keep their "fire" and unique spirit. What I see happening sometimes, and experienced myself, was a breaking down of self-esteem and confidence in hopes the child will submit to God and the Law which left me spiritually empty, insecure, rebellious, and confused. I think the biblical approach would be training up your kids to understand the word with confidence and pride, understanding the context of God's word ect. If it's BIBICAL there should be no resentment or confusion. I believe the approach my parents and church took is not bibical.
Spot on, it's the parent's responsibility (until the child becomes an adult) to train them about God's ways.
Exactly this. Expecting the church to disciple your children is dangerous. I remember plenty of youth camps, sermons about how to witness to your friends, abstinence seminars ... but I don’t recall being discipled at any point in children’s or youth ministry.
I'm glad you brought this up. Even though I was a Sunday school teacher myself I always believed that we should not have a youth ministry because of the tendency of parents to excuse themselves from teaching and discipling their children.
This hurts a lot, after seeing his son on social media
Truly heartbreaking!
I finally watched Abraham Piper's Tik Tok, 4 of them, anyway. They weren't what I had heard. The first one I saw denigrated the authority of...the Bible?? No, James Dobson! I thought, hey, James Dobson is not the Bible, guys! He has even been heard to say (on Focus) that if the Bible says it's good for a man not to marry, and he, Dobson says otherwise, believe him, Dobson, because if you don't get married, you are missing it all: forget what God says in the Bible. In that way, and others, Dobson undermined the authority of the Bible for decades, but of course, never the authority of the conservative political movement. And nobody (next to) had a problem with him doing so. The Bible have a problem with divination and non-God-assisted time travel? No problem: just send your kids on a time travel trip to the Bible, where they become characters, and as sure as the Pavlovian Tinkerbell "ding", they'll be nice and cozy with "the Bible", enough to let it know it's place, and will have learned the more important conservative political principles, ideas which _really_ matter! You can learn to keep your kids "on your team," oozing lukewarm cup of cocoa-ness, and Hallmark-ness, too. "Ding!"
No, I don't have a problem with him questioning _Focus on the Family_ at all. That is not all he questions, and I hated hearing him question the inerrancy of the Bible, and I hate to hear all this corrupt mess called "evangelical," since that name is supposed to mean gospel-oriented, born again Christianity, not the corruption of the past few decades, not that there wasn't corruption and false teaching before. I found Abraham Piper very likeable, and I agreed with a lot that he said. But he does appear to be in unbelief, so that is sad, but true of so many who are not saved, but subject to becoming saved. (It might do well to throw off the shackles of Paul Washer, and remember that the Bible speaks of "millions in the valley of decision”, and that God doesn't seem to have a problem with the validity of those decisions He asks us to make.) We can pray for people more, as if it made a difference, which Jesus said it does, although the people we pray for are ultimately responsible for their decisions.
Unfortunately we don’t live in a perfect biblical world.
@@The12thSeahorse What would a perfect biblical world be, though? Because the Bible is famous for having some very sordid scenes in it, all because that's what people did, not because that's what God wanted them to do. But everyone always condemns God as if He wanted those things, although according to His word, He didn't. But it's hardly a "perfect ... world"!
I couldn’t believe my eyes when I say his son mocking scripture on tiktok. I pray that the younger Piper will be confronted and turn to Christ
I feel sorry for John Piper regarding his son Abraham Piper.. I just saw how he mocked the Bible on TikTok... I pray for Abraham and John Piper during these hard times for both of them.
Apparently Abraham was one of the children Piper said he'd go into their room at night, and just watch them sleep, looking so sweet, and he said he loved them so much, then. But, he said, he had to "honestly" reckon with the "fact" that his boys might turn out to be some _whom God did not want to be saved._ This awful, supposed possibility, played heavily on the emotions of the crowd, who moaned audibly. I guess it likely that it played on his children's emotions, too.
But this is what he could have done, instead: simply believe God's word, instead of the reasoning of Calvin and Augustine. After all, isn't it true, that whenever we choose the philosophical reasoning of theologians, *_over_* the inspired, revealed word of God, the conclusion is going to be error, and probably a worse stumbling block than it seems at the moment? The devil wouldn't manipulate us to call the words of man the truth, and the word of God a lie, negligible, laughable, of little importance, weak, puny and evil, if he did not have something to gain for his kingdom, and his project of destroying souls, keeping people blind, etc. Anyway, what the could have believed is what Jesus the Son of God said: Jesus, the ultimate authority on the heart of God in salvation, then he would not have had that heartbreaking (but false) dilemma to wrestle with, and neither would he or anyone else have to wrestle with this false, unloving god, if we just believe the true God's eternal word:
Matthew 18:14
*Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.*
That's Jesus who said that, and He did not say it because He "hated sovereignty", or wanted to advance "humanism" or "emotionalism" over God's sovereign will. In reality, He is not one bit in disagreement with the Father, and yet he said that it was "not the will of the Father that one of these little ones perish". Who is telling the truth: Augustine, Calvin, Piper and Wilson, or Jesus?
That is awesome @linda johnson. I totally agree. I was so drowned in reformed theology thati miss what God rlly wants to tell me.
Lets pray for John Piper and His family
@@lindajohnson4204 That is exactly what that sick and twisted John Piper has done to his son and everyone his lying lips he has preached to. It makes me sick how baby and phoney christians hold John Piper up as a saint when he is a devil in human clothing.
@@truth7416 you think he is a devil bc he is a different interpretation of the Bible than you????
@@truth7416 I'm very concerned about this, and unless Piper _allows_ the Holy Spirit to open his eyes, and repents of his false teaching against the love of God, how can this not have a disastrous outcome for so many people? God will lead people out of false teaching if the want to find Him, but Calvinism so misrepresents God, who'd want to actually know that god? You have to let the Holy Spirit and the word, His sword (described as a surgical instrument), show you the truth to lead you out of error. I wish everyone would, but I doubt that they will.
I have four children raised in the church with Christian parents. None walk with the Lord. The father after 26 years of marriage divorced me to remarry another woman he met on a dating site, while married to me. He introduced the woman to three of our kids when he was still my husband. The youngest never met her because he would have exposed his father about dating while married to his mother. He divorced me in court telling the judge I was holding him hostage in a marriage. Well, imagine how that’s impacted our children. They want nothing to do with the Lord. BUT, I’m TRUSTING the Lord. Trusting Him that the seed that was planted the Lord can water it and draw them to Him! I serve a greater God who raises the dead! He created the universe. I did the best I could raising my kids. I’ve asked them to forgive me for my shortcomings. I trust God has it all in control. This is a great message.
May GOD strengthen you ma.
Congratulations, you have the gift of failure. His ways are mysterious indeed.
be ready to answer them and God why they CAN trust Jesus (1Pet 3:15). If you believe in "limited atonement" and "unconditional election" there is no way you can look your children in the eye and tell them Jesus died for them bc you have no idea who are the "elect" .... BUT the bible lays out exactly what are the conditions to enter the Kingdom of God so... study to show yourself approved by studying the Word of God yourself.... Calvinism is a lie for people who trust televangelists but do NOT read their bibles for themselves!
@HappyToOblige
...take my yoke upon you, *_and learn of me_* (Matt 11:29)
because the gospel is the power of God unto salvation to anyone who believes (Romans 1:16)
Faith comes by hearing, hearing the word of God (Rom 10:17).
(Gal 1:6-9)...
(John 8:31-32, John 15:3-8)
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, (see 2Pet 2:2-9) ye shall never fall:
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. (2Pet 1:10-11)
-Jesus takes away the sins of the world (John 1:29)
-Jesus tasted death for every man (Heb 2:9), All like sheep have gone astray and All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. (Isaiah 53:6)
-...this is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation for therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. These things command and teach. (1Tim 4:9-11)
-this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. (1Tim 2:3-6)
- ...and if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world and hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (1John 2:1-3)
. (John 3:14-21, John 5:24)...
2Cor 5:18-21
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
@@oteikwufrancis1108 are you from Botswana btw
You can hear the pain in his own voice when talking about this subject. It’s probably a subject he has spent many late nights learning for himself personally.
I know so many kids who walked away from their faith due to pressure and force from parents while they were growing up. It's so important to teach kids to have primary personal faith with Jesus instead of secondary faith through parental figures.
Amen. Many Christian parents seem to think that forcing their children to put up the outward appearance of Christianity is the same as their kid having an actual inward conversion within.
While this can be the case there are some kids who leave the faith regardless nor want anything to do with with. I think the hard truth can be expressed and I wish John didn’t dance around it.
I'm sure John was aware of this. But he was being faithful to proverbs 22:6, "to train them up in the way of the Lord so they will not depart from it".
@@Minetic however we know if we force our kids to do sports or to get good grades,etc they are more like to resent and reject our desires for them, even if our intentions are good.
ther is no one-size-fits all. However you raise them up, their salvation isn't in your hands. And if you leave them alone and don't teach them anything regarding your faith, for example, and they end up lost, God will ask you their souls. So you should teach them, and be as adaptive and responsive to each one's personality as possible, keeping in mind that you are a sower who doesn't know where the seed is landing.
I was born when my father was attending Bible seminary. Once I left home for high school and college, I lived as a hypocrite because I didn't leave the church since my older brothers were there, I just lived the remaining days of the week away from God. Although I felt so much shame and guilt toward God and my family, because my parents did everything right.in bringing me up as christian parent should, I felt trapped in immorality. It took a long time, but I came back and confessed to the Lord. This happens a lot to the children of pastors. What I've come to realize is that we are warn against so many things, that the first time we feel a little freedom we decide to experiment and unfortunately some never come back. I'll always regret that time in my life because I was presuming on God's grace. I could have died in my sins then. Let us all pray for Abraham and his father.
I pray everyday for my teenage daughter to be saved and to have God’s wisdom in her heart.
can you look your child in the face and tell them with 100% certainty that Jesus died to reconcile them to God?
If not, you have false gospel and are NOT serving as an Ambassador for Christ (2Cor 5:14-21)... but you are scattering her abroad (Matt 12:30)
Calvinists like Piper and MacArthur and Sproul have a false gospel:
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (2Pet3:9). if you do not believe God wants ALL men to be saved (because you have been taught a fraudulent definition of "election") then you yourself do not know if you are saved....
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@@inTruthbyGrace AMEN. An honest Calvinist can't even look themselves in the mirror and say they know for certainty that God truly loves them, let alone tell anyone else.
Pray that God send someone across her path with the message of the Gospel she will listen to.
Calvinism is wrong about God pre-determining who will and will not be saved. Christ died for everyone and anyone who will believe will be saved. Some will, some will not, ANYONE can. If this were not true prayers would not matter anyway.
There is no verse in scripture which, in its proper context, declares all men are born unable to respond to God or the Gospel.
Its upsetting the way you went about this. Piper is pouring his heart out about his kids and parenting and Madam needs prayer for her daughter and you came here for a debate.
I would remind any parent of the story of Manasseh. Manasseh's father was the Hezakia the greatest King that Judah (and Israel) had ever known, and yet his son Manasseh was the most wicked King Israel had ever had. Manasseh did such evil in the eyes of the Lord that he made Israel more evil than the surrounding nations. He sacrificed children to Moloch, placed idols in the temple of God, shed tons of innocent blood, including God's prophet Isaiah, he destroyed all of the ancient scrolls containing Gods Word he could find, and committed other atrocities. Surely of anyone God would look on this man in contempt, hatred, and resent him. Yet we see that when Manasseh is carried away by Assyria and is in great distress, Manasseh cries out to God and the Lord hears his prayers, forgives him, and returns him home. And then it says "Then Manasseh knew that the LORD was God." 2 Chronicles 33:11-13. This text shows that even the most vial man who aims his sin directly against God is not beyond Gods forgiveness if he truly repents and cries out for salvation. Hezakia was a God fearing man, with a God rebelling son and yet his son came to know God in the end. No one is beyond God's saving, and no ones children is ever beyond redemption.
I feel this fathers pain. I am a mother in a same position. Thank you Pastor John. And SO BE IT, as we pray.
May we never under estimate the power, the love and the mercy of God.
"We must build our lives on the gospel and not on parenting successes."
Thank you for reminding us what the our focus needs to be, despite the pain of the truth...
Thank you for this much needed talk. Please pray for my son who is 23 and drifting away from his faith
I cannot even begin to imagine Pastor John’s pain at this time.
The real problem is that John Piper himself is unsaved and believes and teaches a false gospel of works salvation and final salvation secured by holiness.
@@newcenturypianists3195 elaborate?
@@ujurak3899 I honestly doubt they can
I wasn't looking for this but it came up right after a video I'd been watching about a completely different subject but did I ever need to hear it! I'm so grateful that the Lord put this in front of me today. I've been so worried about my nieces' salvation even though they're small, I'm always on my brother to live right and talk right in front of them so that they will know the Lord before the world tries to devour them whole. This settles my heart. I will continue to pray over them but will give them to God.
Pastor John thanks for ur answers to today's ask question , it is very deep and understanding of ur answers can only be gotten from reading and re-reading of the scriptures which I will continue to do as the word of God bring more light and shows us more light and wisdom to walk in the light of the word of GOD , I say thanks again for dis shedding of light to some difficult questions .
I wanna give you a hug and make sure you know how much guidance you've provided to so many.
His integrity in the message of the gospel remains even in this deep anguish. I admire you ptr John! The Lord is in control. 🙌
Dad here!! I absolutely have so loved being a dad and when they were little worried about all the things dads worry over and I can say with absolute certainty that watching them walk away has been the hardest thing I’ve had to do! So timely
I walked away as a young adult. Sometimes we just need to learn things the hard way.
My advice FWIW:
Admit any responsibility for shortcomings, apologize. Also ask God’s forgiveness and know that you are forgiven - don’t allow the enemy to beat up you over it! God wants to bless you and use you to bless others every day and he can’t do that if you’re stuck in the past.
Tell them you love them no matter what.
Keep the door of relationship open, but don’t beg. That lowers their respect for you and causes guilt, which makes them want to avoid you.
Keep praying for them.
❤️
As a parent, there is nothing more terrifying to me than the thought of my children walking away from the Lord. It almost makes me want to stop having any more children because I have so much trouble trusting the Lord with their eternities. I have no power over the Sovereign election of God. I struggle immensely trying to understand this area. It is, at times, utterly crippling to my faith.
The most merciful of acts would have been to abort them all as soon as you found out you were pregnant.
Pleasant. Thanks for being such a stellar individual.
If in your mind, their eternal life is so important, why risk them not going to Heaven if you have that ability? You're risking your children being condemned by your god to an eternity of hell. With your theology, would this not be more merciful? You would be automatically sending your children to an eternity of being with God. I'm not trying to be facetious, but would this not make sense? If Christians truly believed what they claim to believe, this would make sense.
I see the point you are making, but you can't use this argument to condone murder. That's very twisted thinking. Murder, especially against something as innocent as a child, cannot be justified. But as I'm not very good at debating, I'll direct you to this exact question as answered by the same pastor of this video. ruclips.net/video/tH5nt_NzR9Y/видео.html
But I do agree that I struggle with the idea of purposefully having a child, if there is not guarantee of heaven. As you said, why risk it? So, should Christians just adopt children already born and raise them in the Word of God in hopes that they will receive the gospel. Something they might not even hear about in another home? I'm not sure. I feel that purposefully not having children because you don't trust God isn't having very much faith in his ultimate goodness, is it? As I said, it's a struggle for me too!
The steadfastness God has grown in John Piper, in the face of incredibly hard issues and realities, has strengthened my faith time and time again. God is faithful to give us His Word, His children (fellow believers), His Son, and His Holy Spirit, along with Pastors and Teachers. I am forever thankful for the help God has poured out to us through these things …of which John Piper is such a help.
I've got 5 kids. 4 are believers. 1 is only 3. I pray for him every night.
Praying for you Pastor John
Sending my love to all at Desiring God, sending all my love to Pastor John. 💕
Everyone who's here after watching some Abraham Piper, and are shocked at 'How can a pastor's son be like that?', look up Barnabas Piper here on youtube. He's also Ptr John's son, and he's a Christian.
Sadly, his wife divorced him. Not placing blame, just sad. Providentially, despite his loss he has become closer to God through the experience. Perhaps reconciliation might be possible in the future.
@@MikeHammer1 There are a lot of factors that could lead to divorce, and indeed, it's sad how the rate has increased among evangelical pastors in recent years. It's not easy to keep a family and be in ministry at the same time. I know of a pastor who was also divorced, and it has lead him to a closer walk with God. He found a purpose partner years later, and the new wife and him are both actively serving in ministry for a decade now. I think pastors need more prayers from the congregation rather than them doing all the praying for their flock. Praying for Ptr John's family to be restored. It's sad to see the enemy doing the divide and conquer strategy on his family.
Very well explained. I agree. Also that proverb, "Train up a child and when he is grown he will not depart from it", I surely think is in regard morals and habitual behaviour and not in regard to election as children of God, that is; salvation.
Thank you so very much Pastor
This is me, Deut 11:19- You shall teach them to your children, speaking of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up. I tell my kids constantly about God/Jesus/Holy Spirit/God’s Word. But yes God will have mercy on whom He will give mercy. My kids have to at least know the truth.
We yearn for our children and want them desperately to know and love the Lord, doing our best to bring them up in godly ways and modelling the gospel to them sacrificially. We all make mistakes and when we confess our sins the Lord graciously forgives us.
Acts 13:48
And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed
We don’t know who is and who isn’t or why the Lord chooses some and not others. This includes our family. I am so humbled by this.
That takes the pressure off us (as if we could save anyone, it’s the Holy Spirit who melts hard hearts).
Let’s not be discouraged but continue in prayer and let’s pray for Abraham, that he would know the living God. What joy this would bring to Pastor John and Noel.
We need to ask God to give us wisdom, by the Holy Spirit, to recognize theology that slanders God, and leave it behind.
Thanks for the comforting words.
Hurts my soul knowing your son is lost, Pastor John. Praying for Abraham.
@Brandon Fertig; I was baptized at 18, lost my faith after experiencing trauma and lived my 20's as an atheist. Slowly I returned as I felt God's gentle call back. Pastor John's son is not lost. I wouldn't write him off.
@@gmac8586 sounds like you just expressed being lost :) faith doesn’t leave, though. Believers backslide, but a true believer can’t be regenerated and justified in the eyes of God and have that revoked. The Holy Spirit doesn’t perform miraculous heart surgery more than one time on a person. In Abraham’s case… “he went out from us because he was not of us”… but we serve a God who is might to save, and til he takes his last breath it’s not too late for his heart to be replaced with a heart of flesh that is receptive to the Spirit. ❤️🩹
Trust in God. He is able. He is faithful. He gave us His only begotten Son of the Father, Jesus Christ who is FULL of both GRACE and TRUTH.
Pray without ceasing. God hears the prayer of the righteous in Christ Jesus. Faith, Hope and Love...and of the LOVE is the greatest.
Praise The Lord forHis faithfulness to our children
Prayed for you, n Abe today John. l told my pastor who LOVES you too, and they WILL pray too. Blessings to you.
i know this one must be extremely difficult and personal fpr Pastor John. praying for both you and Abraham
I failed my dying Dad - by being too scared after he abused me for so long; words failed me. My faith failed. I failed three of my children -- none of them stayed in the Church. Too scared to pray openly and man up. It's not an excuse, but my relationship with my Dad really messed with me and affects everything I do and all that I am. Been a Christian for over 30 years and yet, sit here typing this knowing that I am a failure. I think of my Dad and where he might be now -- and it makes me hate myself. What if I had just spoken openly and truthfully; what if I had told him (once again) who I believe in? And my children --- what if they don't trust Christ? The pain is unbearable. :(
I'm praying for you and your children. Remeber when Peter denied Jesus three times? He fell, yes, but he didn't fail. Even before he denied Christ, Jesus promised to redeem him in Matthew 36. Repent and ask the Lord for strength through the power of His Holy Spirit. He is so faithful. The burden is heavy, but in Jesus, you can find rest (Matthew 11:28-29). He's able to heal you from your abuse (Isaiah 53:5), and strengthen you in times of fear (2 Tim 1:7). Strain forward from your past mistakes and keep trusting in God.
Gods grace is new every morning. Don't forget, God does not reject a broken heart and contrite spirit. He is close to you and He is waiting for you to just surrender. Ask for forgiveness, for failing, for giving in to fear, for being passive, forgive yourself. Do not let the past allow to determine your future. Your past mistakes have been done, so what, let go of it, you can have a new start with God right now. Was not Manasse a bad and evil king? Yet in his last days he returned to God and started cleaning up his kingdom. Do not underestimate Gods power, He can still do more than you could ever ask or imagine. We are saved by grace, not by our works. We are saved by faith not trough a perfect life.
The enemy will accuse you, for he is the accuser but he is also a liar. There is forgiveness for you and God does not just forgive, he forgets, he removes your guilt as far as the east is from the west. God will cause you to will and to act according to His word. He will equip you for every good work. Be blessed, mighty man of God!
Think again of Gods chosen, think of Paul, and his life before Christ, think of his actions, how could he ever forgive himself? Your right, he nor you nor me deserve Christ, but that’s not the point, God tells us this throughout the whole bible, He shows us through Christ, he is what makes us deserving, he is what redeems us, we are horrible, but Jesus is so great, So Loving, we are saved, forgiven, and loved because of him, keep working, work for no man but work for God, as hard as you can, just as Paul did, through the strength of Christ.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. 7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace (Ephesians 1:3-7, NASB)
It isn't up to us to save anyone. It's in God's hands. Errors from our side didn't decide anyone's fate ultimately. Trust that God is in control. Those who belong to Jesus gave up the right to evaluate themselves. Don't call yourself a failure. If we are hidden in Christ we are a new creation and God looks on us with favor because we are in his son. Warning: hating yourself is self centered sin like pride. How could Jesus forgive you but you don't forgive yourself? That is holding your standards higher than God's justice. Respond to his kindness.
Fear is a hard and complicated thing. Keep pressing into God and keep praying. Prayer is not our last resort, that’s how things change in this world. Praying for boldness and that root of fear to be removed. Blessings brother!
This worries me!
I'm a born again Christian and I am about to give my 8 year old daughter daughter her first Bible study and get her to start praying regularly to God. I have got her "my first child bible" which she really enjoyed. I have time on my side to show her the essence and wonder of God the father, the son Jesus & the Holy Spirit.
plant the "seed" the lord will flourish it when the time is right.....be we must at least plant the seed but if are expecting instant results this is where we fail...gods timing is perfect
remember how old you were when you became " born again"...I'm not saying for you to " compromise " but to not forget the lord's timing as well
Evangelical Christianty is devoid of Mysticism and will not make it past the 21st Century.
The Rigidity, Pharisee-ism and Legalism cannot be sustained any further. That is why people are going apostate in droves.
God is going to burn this whole shebang to the ground🔥🔥🔥
Amén!!!
Ask and you will receive ,what is imposible for men is possible with God, Our God knows our sorrows ,don’t be afraid.
I feel like I need to add to Pastor John's advice. The writer doesn't just feel sad but depressed. So I wonder about that. Feeling "so depressed" about unsaved children would make me ask myself "am I parenting for God first; or am I putting my children before God or my ego, or need to control before God? Am I depressed because my parenting might be looking bad and so I'm angry because I look incompetent- is it my pride? Could I be depressed because I don't have control over my children and I'm secretly mad at God because I'm not getting my way? Do we trust that God knows best? In Ephesians when we're given instructions on family relations, I understand these to mean commandments. We submit as wives for example because we're obeying and adoring God 1st, regardless of how believing or loving the husband is. Same with being a boss, or a parent. God looks at how we please him in our role, not at the choices of the child, the employee or the husband. It's God's job to judge us all and our worth should be in God's judgement of our hearts, not how much praise from other people we receive by how great our children turned out. Did you raise your children in the Lord when they were young? God knows you did your best and just as he respects your freedom, he also values and respects your child's. Their path also needs to be unique and different from yours. He knows what they need. Maybe God will give them hardship. Maybe they'll repent on their death bed long after you're gone. Your adult child is ultimately God's responsibility, not yours. I like Jesus' attitude towards earthly families. " Who are my brothers, my sisters and my mother? They are those who hear and obey God's word. " He put his relationship with God 1st and had a detachment with the earthly family. Of course he loved his unbelieving family, he arranged for his mother's care for example but eventually, at least two of his siblings became believers and even Church leaders! How things changed! Trust God. Keep praying to God that he will work in his way and time with the people in your life and cherish God and his peace and let him love you and give you what you need.
Thank you so much for sharing your life it’s so helpful
While in my house, my children will serve the Lord. Once they leave home, I pray that they will not turn from Christianity. I pray often that they will turn into God fearing, humble, wise men. All I can do is pray and live by example. God will do the rest if it is His will.
Oh by Christ's help how much would I love to see his son hug his father back in Christ after all these years, for I was a prodigal son too
This is painful. I cant imagine. But I pray God redirects them to himself. The devil will test you so hard to break the work you do for God. Am glad you are strong. My faith too, has been tested. And almost broke. So, as a parent don't feel bad. You did your job. Faith is a choice, a journey. some give up, some make it. It's a personal relationship we all have to face to believe in God
I so appreciate this pastoral advice. But I kinda feel like the answer is still “free will.” Every child is a free moral agent and they choose to follow Christ or they don’t. And while we can set an example, lead them to the faith, pray diligently-we cannot choose to believe for them.
A wake up call for all us parents.
At the end: “thanks PJ, that’s heavy stuff!” 😂
I'm here right now. I'm the unbelieving son, and I left the faith today.
Hopefully God one day grants me true faith and repentance, because I can't get it myself.
i’m here for ya - what do you need?
@@user-vi3jd7mm1k I believe my ego needs to be broken by this point. There isn't really much else I can think of.
That’s right. We can’t attain it ourselves. Ask God for it. Praying for you!
Ephesians 2:8-9
“For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
It's all in the hands of a sovereign GOD...Salvation is of GOD....
I always regret not taking my son to church. As a divorced mom, I bought my son things and took him on vacations. He was always a good kid til 18. Now he is an alcoholic, selling drugs and a fence straddling Muslim. I always kick myself. As well as I am upset at my mother for not raising me in the Word of God.
I pray that God will strengthen you and that your Son will encounter Jesus Christ. Just keep praying for him.
I hope he calls and elect my children, Please Jesus...
“A tear-son like him will be saved “ -a friend of Augustines mother when she told she had cried many tears praying for him to be saved.
That was actually Ambrose of Milan, IIRC. Augustine describes this encounter in his Confessions.
@@GerardPerry thanks man I quoted this from memory no wonder I had wrong name
I think the difference here is between exposing a child to church and actually RAISING them in the way the Bible states. Pastor Piper has admitted that he probably didn't give the attention he needed to his son in favor of the greater church ministry he was leading. I've unfortunately seen it happen numerous times with legitimate pastors like Piper and with the phonies I've encountered that were more concerned with their own pomposity and building the biggest congregation for their own glorification 😞 It has actually scared me to think about being a pastor after seeing this happen to the child of a legitimate man of God like Piper :(
I clean 5 churches and know some of them and their young and adult children and I see it through and through and when I clean the staff offices I pray for them and their families:)
Or maybe your just an ignorant keyboard warrior, who knows nothing.
Nothing is subjective
@@urbanvoice5323 you are here for a reason
A question that OUR HEAVENLY FATHER could ask of those who REJECT HIS SON...as their SAVIOR....What more could HE have done for those children that HE gave free will....John 3:16...HE will wipe away ALL tears...
My son is on drugs I lost my youngest one in January of 2023 I took him in last night he told me he wanted help 😪 I had to asked him this morning at 6am to leave 😢and so heart ❤️ broken 💔
Parenting has so much to do with it in the early years and allowing your child to be an individual first--allow God to do the work.
My parents didn't fail me. They raised me with a firm grounding in the Word, leading by word and example. They were, of course, far from perfect, but all things considered they did a fantastic job.
I still walked away from the church and from faith. Why? Because the core values they taught me - to think for myself, and to love everyone, including my enemies - were antithetical to the picture of God that the modern evangelical church espouses.
If I ever come back to some form of Christianity, it will not be because of the doctrines my parents believe, but because of the love they and others hold.
I can heat the pain in his voice
GOD HAS TO CALL YOU!! You can't make someone believe that God isn't calling.
Reading some of these comments is disheartening. Especially the person who said by lack of discipling our children (as parents) we are sending them to hell. Parents are people. More than that, people on their own life path learning, growing, and changing in Christ. I have done my best to disciple and raise my children for Christ with the limited tools I had as young Christian. I became a mom at 16 and didn’t come to accept Christ until I was 23. Even then it was a long road of learning, trying, failing, and learning again. There was so much I didn’t know back then. It really made me sad to read some of these comments. It shows me that there really is no such thing as winning. Even the best we can bring for the people we are in any given season will never be enough.
I will definitely blame the parents if their children go to hell
This is sad. But luckily God will find the lost luke 15:4. Abraham Piper will be found again!! And all of your lost ones will be found again, rejoice in that. God bless you all.
I'd do anything for my baby girl. I would truly damn my self if it meant she'd be with Him forvever. I think any parents would.
Like Paul almost wishing he could be damned, if it meant that his Jewish brethren after the flesh would be saved.
I would never damn myself. I admire the boldness, but I cannot comprehend that someone really would contemplate hell in order to have someone else saved. I'm totally egotistical in that regard. Jesus, remember me when you come in your kingdom, even if everyone else should perish. I want to be saved.
@@smabe7 Paul knew that he couldn't bear their sin, and that Jesus already had. But it hurt him so deeply that they wouldn't believe..
@@smabe7 when you have a kid you would. I would damn myself for my daughters.
@@codybest2709 wow!!
I have four kids. I love them, my only wish is for them to be saved. But I care about my own salvation first.
I would die for them. Just not eternally.
Amen!
Amen!!!
I pray that Abraham Piper will eventually see clearly that he is eating pignuts and return to God as a prodigal son. I too had such a journey although I think I had better arguments to support my position as a trained naturalist. God in His grace saw fit to draw me back to Christ in spite of my bias against it. It took six years from the first clear signs to the first profession of faith in Christ but I pray that John Piper and the listener will see such a change in their children too.
What about the verse in the Bible that says " if you believe in Christ, you shall be saved and your household"?
I thought about this too.
Acts 16:31 is the verse you are referring to, but if you read all the way to vs 34 it says ' he was filled with joy because he had come to believe in God - he and his whole household'.
So, the question is, were they saved because they believed, or because they belonged to his household?
Were they saved apart from personal faith?
It was talking about that particular household evidently.
John, be humble enough to step down from the pulpit and go make things right with your son. Doing this will show him that you care more about his salvation than your paycheck or notoriety.
I'm surprised this comment didn't get the Piper hyper-devotees attacking you left and right. you're right...stepping down in humility over his son's apostasy would have been the greatest testament to his son of how much he loves him and wants to see his soul saved.
Did the father run and apologize to the prodigal son?
By teaching them that God sends people to hell after determining them to be there, and then telling them it's their choice.
The worst part is that John Piper is a Calvinist so he can easily fit him(Abraham)(son) into the unelect category rather then take responsibility for his actions
No Calvinist does that. Human responsiblity complements God's sovereignty.
John Piper: let me be really, extra excruciating with you.
Oh, and by the way, just after the 4 minute mark, I’ll provide a wonderful justification that I must’ve done a great job. It was on THEM.
Love you,
Piper
Upon seeing the title of this episode, I thought JP was going to speak of his personal journey, of his unbelieving children, and offer some self-reflection, but there was none. I do appreciate the advice he gave to parents who are be asking this question, which was biblically sound, although I'm not able to reconcile his theistic determinism with his advice. Presented in tandem, they are wholly incongruous. But, what he instructs here, separately, is great.
God never promised to save anyone’s children. Proverbs is a principle not a promise. There is no incongruity; salvation is always of the Lord. We are called as parents to obey and teach our children. But ultimately, each of our children are responsible to God for their own sin. “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” This is a hard saying, but “who are you, O man, who answers back to God?”
@@lindaredden8538 If you reference my comment, you'll see that I was answering back to John Piper, not God.
@@mattjacobson5123 Weren’t you? I was responding to your comments about Piper’s theology, which I believe Paul answers in Romans 9.
Matt you are absolutely correct. Piper's Theology says God unconditionally choose to hate most people even before He created them. He infallibly determined their response of rebellion towards Himself even before they were born and God NEVER loved or intended to love them at any time as laid out clearly in Limited Atonement and Unconditional Election and (Reprobation). Since the TULIP systematic is so anti-Biblical even Piper has to go against what his own system would dictate. Thankfully he has enough sense to not be consistent with TULIP at times.
@@lindaredden8538 Matt you are absolutely correct. Piper's Theology says God unconditionally choose to hate most people even before He created them. He infallibly determined their response of rebellion towards Himself even before they were born and God NEVER loved or intended to love them at any time as laid out clearly in Limited Atonement and Unconditional Election
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Prodigal son. I can see Abraham's Piper returning by faith in Jesus name. ❤️🙌
Isaiah 55:8-9
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many people leave the faith but go on to lead moral, happy, and fulfilling lives. Honestly, is that still something to grieve?
People can have happy moments without believing in God. That is not the part Christians should grieve about.
Christians aim to have as many people into heaven as possible. They believe heaven is perfect and only perfect people can enter heaven. That means nobady can enter heaven. God made it possible for non perfect people (everyone) to enter heaven by letting Jesus pay for all our sins. Thats why Christians hope everyone believe in Jesus.
@@MrTahref I hate to say it but that kind of makes Christianity sound like a religion of carrots and sticks. don’t you think?
@@dedmo79 Carrot and stick is punish when doing something bad and reward for doing good?
As far as i know. The Gospel says. God loves us. Even with the mistakes we make. But God is holy and heaven is a perfect place. A perfect heaven cant accept non perfect things to enter. (I think we would be destroyed by the cleansing bright lights that heaven is showing if we would stand before the heaven gate.)
We all make mistakes and do wrong. 1 mistake is enough to make us not good enough to enter heaven cause its a perfect place.
We can try to do good things and thats good (God loves it when we do good) but remember. The bad things we have done cant be erased from history. (that means we can try as hard as possible but we will never be good enough.
a Christian should know that and never boast cause they should know they are far from perfect in Gods eyes)
in other religions, their God forgives us when we ask for forgiveness. But ask yourself. When someone steals something or tells a lie and then helps an old granny cross the road. A just judge will have to punish us for one thing we did wrong. It would not matter if we do good things after that. If God would let that slide it means God is not holy and perfect cause God would than accept bad things.
God loves us but cant accept bad things into heaven.
The payment for our sins should be death (our life)
Now the question comes how the heck can we enter into a heaven perfect heaven when we are not perfect? And there Jesus comes into the picture.
@@MrTahref thanks. believe in Jesus=doing something good=go to heaven. Don’t believe in Jesus=ping something bad=going to hell. sounds exactly like carrots and sticks, no?
That is not the point. The point is that if you do not put your faith in Jesus, you will go straight to hell. As you will need to pay for your own offences towards a holy God.
There is coming a day when this earth will be burnt up and cleansed of wicknedness and apostasy.
If it was about morals, then Jesus would not have needed to come at all. You could just be good and that's it.
And by the way, there is nobody good. That is why we need Jesus.
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If they were not elect, there is NOTHING that a parent can do.... From HIS perspective, NOT MINE!
Pretty devastating.
Exactly. Adam & Eve had THE PERFECT father.
We obey the Lord by the grace of God, not my corrupt motivation and ability. Our hope for the grace and mercy upon us and our house is Romans 8.28, &.32, Gal 3.13, and Luke 1.37, 18.27, Mark 10.27.
Also, if a person is alive, isn't there hope for their being saved?
When I saw the beginning of the RUclips video saying Piper is not qualified to minister, I immediately remembered Samuel’s Priest, whose 2sons went astray, and down-thumbed it. That is Ill-processed and is wrong.
In this video Piper highlights the need to pray earnestly that those we love will be saved; what ever happened to chosen before the foundation of the world?
Those are not mutually exclusive.
@@jstap5434 So what is the point of praying for someone who God, before the foundation of the world and before they did anything good or bad, decided that He did not want to save them.
@@gregjay9933 there wouldn’t be a point if you knew that...but we don’t.
@@chipboyle3616 I was actually expecting to be challenged on my statement that Calvinists believe God does not want to save all people.
The best thing Calvinists can do is ask the Lord who the elect are, including themselves, because the elect will be saved no matter what.
What a strange belief unconditional election is!
@@gregjay9933 a stranger belief, that an all powerful God is incapable of saving those he wishes to save. Esau he hated.
Abraham Piper is simply doing what God ordained,according to his Papa
John P. To Quote " God can ordain sin without sinning" John P, So when
people say pray for Abe P, WHY God ordained, Predestined Abe P to do
exactly what He is doing! Why pray against what God Ordained? God
ordained His self destruction! What a mighty God We Serve! He is a
Good Good Father! Halleluyah for Reformed Theology, doesn't it make you
happy God did not ordain You to self destruct! Who is like our God!
Is that line of scripture incorrect or have you stopped believing in it because of what is going on with your son, Pastor John?
If the children have accepted Christ for themselves as Lord and Savior through and through- they can turn amd run for a time, but no one can be plucked from the Fathers hand. John 10:28-30. So I think it boils down to their own relationship with the Lord. Do they have it or not. They may have questions, doubts and be prodigals even- but the Lord will bring them. They can not be plucked from His hands.
But how do you know their faith was real in the first place? It could have all been show, just like Piper’s son apparently.
@@billtalker3843hmm well ask the Holy Spirit to Reveal it to you. Ask them, do you know Jesus. Is He Lord of your life? Do you believe in your heart God raised him from the dead? Children are honest. Teen May start to grapple amd we need to be real and answer their questions and don’t fake it. If we don’t know something, say that and we’ll find out together. We sometimes just don’t create safe spaces to ask questions, they get their heads chewed off when they do in our frustration if we don’t have the answer for something the world had now presented. The world has an answer to teens questions albeit worldly, but they answer. We sometimes don’t at all, and the enemy takes home
Court advantage when we do that.
Also the Bible says to test every spirit, Every spirit. We will know them by their fruits. May be not just all their doing in life, we look at that as producing fruit, but the Bible is a book of Spiritual laws, for spiritual eyes and for ppl born of the spirit. The words are spirit and thus beyond nature or the natural. Fruit maybe talking about the fruits of the spirit. Do they have it? Love, joy peace patience kindness goodness gentleness self control. 1. Pray about it- God will reveal it. 2. Trust the Lord with them.
They too have a path. We have understanding that the enemy is after your children as young as in the womb. If they can’t be killed they will be snatched, devoured, or destroyed. We must train up a bit better in the spirit. Well versed in Gods laws. The same ones the adversary will use to discredit us before God, and which if unrepentant use as open in our defenses against him. It’s all there in Gods word. Just need to put it together, work and at the end of the day- rest in Him knowing as parents, we did our best to raise them as they should go, but they too have trials, tests and a walk they must walk especially if they count the cost of following Christ. It’s all still worth it. But hey, the enemy will not hold up becuase your child is under age and not ready by our standards to deal with his attacks. Hope that helps. I dove in deeply on this, but if you have spiritual understanding then you know what I’m saying. If not pray about what I’m saying. The Lord will give you the scriptures. We need not fear Satan, but he is relentless and he will not stop coming after the children of God especially to spite God. Isaiah7, matt 7, Romans 10
It makes me very happy to hear stories of young people leaving religion. It's a good thing to be liberated from stupidity, fear and superstition.
Proverbs 22:6 (YLT)
Give instruction to a youth about his way, (because) Even when he is old he turneth not from it.
LXX
Dedicate (consecrate) the child according to his way and indeed if he should grow old, he will not depart from it.
Seems to be talking about 2 ways marking out a contrast from one that is greater over one that is lesser. The way of the child is the lesser of the 2, whereas a parent's warning and dedication to the right way of living is the greater.
You didnt, take them outside the gate a crack their heads! Tell them no more never!!
You didn't fail them they Decided for themselves that your God is not their Truth as the Gods of others are not your truth
Sometimes parents do play a significant role in a child's rebellion. Whether they meant to, or not.
set them free so when they age theyll come back instead of keeping them imprisoned and never coming back when freed
get off in a prayer closet .
put on sackcloth and ashes like the people of Nineveh did .
weep and wail..
weep and wail
wail that your children might be saved from eternal destruction.
wail that the spirit of stiff neck rebellion be broken asunder and that they be brought to the foot of cross fully humbled in their hearts.
don't faint ....be as the widow who troubled the judge saying to him continually " avenge me of my adversary!!"
Let the cry go up ...
let the cry go up...
stand in faith...our Father hears and he answers.
Why not mention Acts 16 verse 13
Many children of true believers are just cultural christians and are not really united with Christ, theree is a fine line there, some are outright mockers I have one of those
You can try and indoctrinate your children from a young age before they have the capacity to reason, but don't be surprised if that doesn't always work out. Sometimes it is best to let your children wander for a season and discover God on their own terms, far away from the safety and comforts of the fold. That is why the prodigal son is the most frequently and relentlessly preached Parable in the entire Bible.
Doesn't Piper believe in TULIP? If so, can't do anything about it according to that belief.
Even if he is, it doesn’t make the pain any less. Wouldn’t you wish for all you love to be with the Lord? Have Mercy.
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@@Android-ds9ie get over yourself.