Should Medicine Cats Have Kits? | Warrior Cats Book Review
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- In this review of the Moth Flight's Vision Super Edition, I discuss whether or not the medicine cat code should allow for them to have a mate and kits.
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Warriors (Warrior Cats) is a series of novels based on the adventures and drama of multiple Clans of feral cats created by Victoria "Vicky" Holmes. The series is primarily set in a fictional forest, and later by a lake, in which fights and disputes over territory often occur between the groups: ThunderClan, ShadowClan, RiverClan, WindClan, and SkyClan as well as StarClan, the Dark Forest (The Place of No Stars), and BloodClan. Published by HarperCollins and edited by Working Partners (now owned by Coolabi), Warriors is written by authors Kate Cary and Cherith Baldry, as well as others, under the collective pseudonym Erin Hunter: beginning with their first book "Into the Wild" in 2003. Tui T. Sutherland, another writer for the series, also went on to create the Wings of Fire novels and manga. In 2021, an official ROBLOX game by the name of "Warrior Cats: Ultimate Edition" (WCUE) was released finally growing the franchise beyond the original books with much success on TikTok. The Warrior Cats fandom is deeply rooted in animation, art, drawings, OCs (original characters), ships (shipping), animation memes, and various Warrior Cats PMV (s), AMV (s), animatics, and Warrior Cats MAP / MAPs (multi-animator projects) among other forms of animated media. Some of its most popular characters include Firestar (Fireheart, Firepaw, Rusty), Graystripe, Ravenpaw, Sandstorm, Spottedleaf, Cinderpelt, Tallstar, Jake, Swiftpaw, Brightheart, Cloudtail, Bluestar, Yellowfang, Snowkit, Mapleshade, Leopardstar, Crookedstar, Hawkfrost, Tigerstar (Tigerclaw), Ashfur, Sol, Scourge, Mothwing, Crowfeather, Feathertail, Frecklewish, Squirrelflight (Squirrelstar), Leafpool, Bramblestar (Brambleclaw), Jayfeather, Hollyleaf, Dovewing, Ivypool, Lionblaze, Rootspring, Shadowsight, Bristlefrost, Nightheart, Sunbeam, Frostpaw, and Alderheart. And for more than 20 years, its fame (and respective infamy) has brought fans and countless readers alike together from across the world.
What i got mad at, was when Yellowfang was pushed into it, AFTER she had been made a full warrior, and after she had been with her mate and became pregnant. like immidietly after she went to the moon pool she felt the pregnancy pains that week. we know she hadnt been with her mate since he was mad at her after she chose the medicine cat life. so she had to go in secret, and have her kits and go through all of that stress which most likely killed one, made the other weak and brokenkit severly undernurished. its almost like star clan sets themselves up with villains to oppose them. but great video, i might try to look into her more, she seems cool^^ thanks man!
It’s funny how Leafpool is destined to birth prophecy children yet was at risk of being damned from StarClan for it. 💀
That’s like sending Mary to hell for having a husband and giving a child despite Jesus was some prophecy child. Not the best comparison because she was said to be a virgin, I know, but I tried
Thank you! What happened to Yellowfang is yet another example of just how bad this ridiculous rule can get. None of that deserved to happen to her at all.
@@mysryuza no its a good example for sure. the point is contridiction and ur point helps support that yeah if that had happened it wouldve been F,ed up
@@Hawkkz Exactly! they put the rules there and make them so strict that when they r broken they can make their own antagonists
@@mysryuza Yeah almost like it was pulled out this way to get as much drama as possible without really thinking things through and making it occur naturally there is so much I could say about that fucked up decision that they made
I mean, my immediate answer to “should medicine cats have kits?” Is YES. Moth flight was just a new warrior when she had her children, I’m not even lying.. it’s terrifying, she was just about..12 moons old?
I’m not saying “oh my goodness how dare her have kits sooo irresponsible,” I’m saying of course she couldn’t handle that she was so incredibly young. She really was struggling as you said, she was like a teenager in human years, and I really do think that this rule really is just kinda superimposing mothflight’s life on every other medcat and for no good reason. Anyways this has gotta be one of my fav vids you’ve ever made ngl
Thanks Vexnie! You bring some good points too, haha.
@@Hawkkz ofc, this is like.. one of the only two videos I’ve ever seen that talk about this rule being flawed in that this literally only applied to mothflight’s life
Edit: plus you actually dove into WHY this rule is so silly unlike other vids where folks just talk about mothflight’s life while disregarding how other cats likely woudlve been able to handle kits with her job and that such troubles likely wouldn’t apply to every med cat
And for all we know he could’ve only need the wall out of spite pacifically for acornfur and other medicine cats wouldn’t be in her position
Definitely
I always found it weird that the justification is that medicine cats will favor their mates and kits when it comes to their healing duties… ignoring the fact that most medicine cats have family members anyway. They have parents, littermates, other more “distant” relative as well. It also ignores the fact that medicine cats have friends too. No matter what the healers of the clan are going to have family members and cats they’re closer with than others, and no medicine cat in the books is shown to give preferential treatment to those cats.
They did a good job at making us feel bad for Moth Flight. She really did have it absolutely horrible. Nearly everything that could go wrong in her life *did*, but one person doesn't mean that's how it is for everybody. And I find it absurd for them to purposefully go out of their way just to rub it in the face of another character in the same book too. They seriously need to re-think this if it's ever going to have a meaningful pay off whatsoever.
Definitely
Kind of tangentially related somewhat, but I never understood why the medicine cat/healer and warrior “professions” are so binary. Apprentices and warriors should have some basic knowledge of herbs and healing, just in case a medicine cat is unable to perform their duties in the case of sickness, having kits, dying w/o an apprentice, simply being away, etc.
Cats like Brightheart and Briarlight have been shown to have basic knowledge of herbs due to spending time in the medicine den.
It also has more practical uses. Warriors and apprentices can help stabilize an injured cat without wasting time trying to track down a medicine cat. Medicine cats are more experienced and dedicate most of their time to healing, so the position should stay, but everyone should be taught healing basics.
Coincidentally, it's actually only been medicine cats who have had any sort of cross-profession training outside of special circumstances like Brightheart, Reed Tail, etc. ShadowClan allegedly trains (or use to train) their medicine cats to fight as warriors (though that's not exactly true anymore w/ Shadowsight), Leafpool has practiced battle moves w/ Cinderpelt, and I even think a handful of medicine cats know a fair bit about how to hunt too (outside of obvious examples like Micah). I definitely agree that warriors should receive more basic medicine cat training, though. It would make things a little more interesting and it would actually make sense practically!
@@Hawkkz It's crazy that they can't fight because wasn't the excuse for them to learn basic combat is so that they could protect the stock of their herbs?
Most medicine cats probably: "I recognise the council has made a decision, but given that it's a stupida$$ decision, I've elected to ignore it."
I think it's weird that medicine cats can't have kits but leaders can. Like, everyone should be allowed to choose whether or not to have kits, no matter what role they play in the Clan, but it seems hypocritical. Many leaders recieve a life for a mother's love, with the reason being that they should love every cat in their Clan like their own kit. Medicine cats also have to care for the whole Clan, but it's framed as if they won't be able to care for everyone the same if they have their own kits.
One super edition (won't go into detail or name the book because I don't know if you've read it) claims that it IS a rule that (specifically) female leaders can't have kits. This is not true, no where in the warrior code is there even a rule LIKE that. It just makes me think about the way the rule for medicine cats should be applied to leaders, according to the logic of the rule.
To be fair in Leafstar’s case (I may be remembering wrong) there was the added element of the clan being newly formed and the possibility of it falling apart was present. It made sense for her to be worried if she could manage both navigating leadership of a newly formed clan AND having kits.
If that last thing is about what I think it is: I can't lie, I slept through basically the entirety of SkyClan's Destiny, put it down, and read the synopsis off the wiki after they were literally going to get up and leave just to help Stick out or whatever LOL. I remember basically nothing about it b/c I was so furious that they ruined Leafstar's book by making like 90% of it about some stupid background character no one cared about, so you're good. Sorry if I'm wrong though.
Oh yeah, no; it's entirely hypocritical. The whole rule is founded off of some of the most unrealistic and inapplicable standards they've ever imposed. Moth Flight's life was absolutely difficult and it at least makes sense why she would want to give up her kits, but how they're applying that to everyone else is incredibly ridiculous. It's so obvious that they just couldn't think of any other reason for this stupid rule to exist, so they just decided to stuff it into this book to get the fans to stop asking.
@@Hawkkz Yeah I was talking about SkyClan's Destiny. Echosong scolding Leafstar for maybe having a crush on Billystorm (which I didn't even notice until she mentioned it), as if Leafstar was breaking the rules, really frustrated me because it wasn't a rule. I brought it up in a Warriors discord server in a rant and that's when I realized how similar that idea was to the one that medicine cats can't have kits because it would "distract them". Deputies and leaders have kits often (however it's more often male leaders having kits during their leadership because the silly cat books are not sexist /s) and their Clan does not think they can't handle the extra responsibility (unless you're Bluefur or smth).
I just repeated the point didn't mean to do that.
TL;DR: yes I meant Leafstar
Definitely
Wish they'd have a TEAM of medicine cats, or at least some more warriors that knew herbs like Brightheart did for awhile, that way, if a medicine cat wanted to start a family, they'd have some cat to cover, like how actual doctors have a team and maternity leave n' whatnot. For shecats, once the kit is weened off milk, theres no reason their mate can't watch the kits of there's important medicine cat duties to attend to, and for toms they can visit during down time, also in the books kits have also been shown to hang with other queens and warriors when the parents are busy as well, or the lots just play with each other. They should definitely get at least the CHOICE of whether or not they want kits, especially if they have tightknit family/friend support system that's willing to help.
Absolutely! It's really funny how you bring that up because, as of the most recent arc, literally EVERY CLAN has 2 medicine cats now with only RiverClan and WindClan still having apprentices. It really is absurd just how ridiculous they're willing to let this get without abolishing it at this rate. There's a contradiction nearly every other chapter anymore 😭
That is Conveniently not there off the table to talk to when it comes to leafpool just so Bramble and squirrel could be broken up again and have the relationship damaged even further
Absolutely
I just find it incredibly ironic that alderpaw, as an apprentice, was able to raise twigkit in the medicine cat den with seemingly no issues, hell, in river of fire twigpaw claims that (in her eyes) Alderheart “practically raised her” (her words exactly I’m p sure)
And even still, he had help from Lilyheart and briarlight- (and jay and leaf as well, since they were there too)
Nowadays, every clan’s medicine den usually has more than one cat in it, (if everyone lives, by the end of arc 8 every clan will have two medicine cats) so it’s not like they’ll be struggling by themselves- not to mention any family or friends they might have in said clan
There will always be loopholes in their rules because they purposefully leave them open like that so they can shape them however they see fit in accordance to the plot. It's never a matter of how practical it is, rather, it's 'how much can I get out of this with the story?' They stopped making sense a long time ago lol
Completely unrelated but, is that a mafuyu pfp? 👀
Something Leafpool brought up when Cinderpelt scolded her is the fact that she had no real idea of what she was actually giving up when she promised to be loyal to the medicine cat code at the young age of 6 moons.
She couldn't have said it any better tbh lol
@@Hawkkz Agree. It would be like asking a kid about to start elementry school to not fall in love once they're a teenager/adult (or feel the need to start a family). You just can't expect that kid's "Ok" to hold any weight at that age, expecially when they have 0 real experience of what they're passing up on.
Medicine cat: has kits
Moth Flight: Ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! You broke my rule! Go to cat hell! 🔥
couldn't have said it any better myself 👍
They claim medicine cats will favor their kits over other but what about leaders? We have seen it multiple times where leaders favor their family and kits and give them perks and the best duties and promote them to deputy for no other reason than they are family
When I first read mothflight's book my first thought was that the Erin's had made it situational for a reason. I feel like on some level we were always supposed to be on the side of leafpool and yellowfang when they broke the code and had kits and thought this super edition was setting up the hypocrisy of this code being unmasked like if a med cat and a leader had kits and the leader was super supportive of it and wanted their kits to be known openly challenging starclan when it's found out why this rule was implemented. And to some extent they are changing the warrior code but that payoff for this book situational set up for med cats has yet to be payed off. I think another way the Erin's could have done this ( this is by no means perfect just another take that even I think needs workshoping) is making mothflight choose not to have kits. Starclan didn't force the clans to have medicine cats mothflight pioneered the position and after seeing the benefits other cats who also felt like outcasts and wanted to heal instead of fight followed suit taking from her methods mothflight is looked up to as this mother of medicine and after she dies without kits everyone agrees to follow in her paw steps. Over time what turned into their choice became a written law. So we can again still side with leafpool and yellowfang but also see the culprit was the grand game of telephone.
When Moth Flight was introduced forever ago (though this is, of course, retconned now mind you), the rule about medicine cats not having a mate or kits had nothing to do with her iirc. While I loved her Super Edition, it felt like such an unnatural conclusion to an otherwise amazing read. And unfortunately, the only "pay off" from it so far seems to just be an easy way to create drama and develop plot points. I would love for them to get rid of the rule eventually (especially with what's going on in A Starless Clan), but I highly doubt they'll ever touch the medicine cat code again. I hope they'll prove me wrong, though.
I personally think its dumb because medcats have family outside of kits, thus love some cats more than others. Jayfeather has more affection for Lionblaze than for idk Dewnose as that's his brother, so they wouldnt have equal love to every cat no matter what. Or Leafpool having had more care for Sandstorm than someone like Mousewhisker
ikr?? there's, like, just so many faults in it no matter what angle you look at it from💀
@@Hawkkz and the fact most medcats povs fall in love at some point anyway just makes repetitive conflict... Thank goodness for shadowsight breaking this
@@iidrbubbles it honestly makes me fear for how they'll start writing these characters again if they ever actually get rid of the rule. you just know that they'd have a whole arc's worth of medicine cat romance saved up for like the next 4 years LOL
"nah, let 'em suffer"
~the erins probably
probably said that over tea and biscuits too 🥱
“Unlike the starclan of today where it’s just idiots that think they know more than they actually do”.Man u nailed that on the head that’s exactly where the quality of the series started depreciating .
I wish it was a little less accurate tbh 😔
What I hate is that the rule is basically “Women can’t have children and work at the same time, you idiots!” It’s deeply messed up. I haven’t read the whole series- the newer arcs I haven’t touched, so I don’t know if there has actually been a male medicine cat who broke the rules and had kits, and then who’s entire life was ruined by this. If there has been, I haven’t heard of him. I sure can think of a butt ton of female medicine cats who have broken the rules and had kits. Misogyny is rampant in these books, although I love them.
NOTE: I have indeed read all of dawn of the clans, and the first three arcs. I also know the general plot of pretty much everything.
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100% agree! I’m dying for the new arc to bring up changes to the medicine cat code, since they have already started to allow cross clan relationships. Though I mostly want to see it happen so we can see how the medicine cats react and if there are any new couples haha
Haha, right? They're sitting on so much potential with it at this point that it makes no sense for them to keep it in anymore b/c it could honestly do way more for the plot without it 💀
I feel like this was a rule just made for drama, and as many people know Moth'flight was very young, but also the system wasn't created yet, so in the end it be a 6 moon break if anything(It could cause trouble if it was leaf-bare) but we also have adoptive/foster mothers and the medicine cat could just do what Squirrel'flight did visit but not nurse them.
I feel like the rule made sense in the early generations, when the queens hadn’t yet started helping the other queens take care of the kittens. Because if the medicine cats mate had died, or was busy with their own duties, you’d have unsupervised kits running around causing trouble, getting hurt or killed, etc.
But as time passed and queens started helping other queens, I feel the rule should have changed with the time but by then it had become tradition and well… why change tradition?
But the current generations of Clans should definitely change the rule because really, even if the medicine cat and the other parent are busy, there’s usually always 2-4 queens in the nursery, not counting she-cats who are too old for duties now and choose to help raise the kits. That wasn’t a thing that happened in Moth Flight’s time, and she couldn’t know that it was going to change as time went on. But once it did, she should have made a point to visit the leaders and medicine cats and propose the change. Instead she stubbornly stuck to the fact that she was right about how difficult it is to do both and tried to use the mess with the Three to vindicate her opinion.
Absolutely. It all just circles back around to Moth Flight simply being from a different time and having to weather exceptional hardship. It was so sad for me to learn that her character was *that* good in this book only for them to write her the way they did in Squirrelflight's Hope. So much has changed and I pray that they finally pay this some attention in A Starless Clan because it sorely needs it 🙏
Even before I started engaging in the fandom and just read the books, I was always confused by this part of the code. I feel like its very situational, and one rule shouldn't be given to everyone based on one cat's experience. Great video though, I really enjoy these types of warriors commentary videos! ^.^
TOTALLY agree. Thank you so much! I'm glad you liked it ❤
It’s banking on me if your child was hanging off a cliff with another cat From your Clan you would automatically save your child and we can’t have that because it’s bad
I hope if they allowed to cats change clans easily for the forbiden love, felts incomplete they didnt think about the medicine cat rules.
Its stupid they cant have a mate or kits, that only make then felt apart of their clan.
Speaking of leafpool secret all clan discover she was in love with crowfeather and accept that, how they didnt expect she maybe was pregnant. Also firestar is her father why he didnt try to change the rule, after yellowfang and greystripe he would be more sensitiva about her daughter situation.
I don't know, my friend 🤷♂They seem really stubborn about keeping it as a rule. Hopefully they'll prove me wrong and finally fix it, though.
When I first read the books when I was a kid, I didn’t really have too much of an issue with the whole medicine cats not being allowed to have kits thing. I grew up in a religious household and also knew about nuns, so the idea of someone saving themselves for God, or their religion in general, wasn’t out of place to me. It was sort of reinforced to me that it was bad for medicine cats to have kits, since it seemed like medicine cats (or cats breaking the warrior code) were cursed in some way when they did it (YellowFang giving birth to BrokenKit, BlueStar’s Kit dying).
The moment when I started feeling “weird” about it was with LeafPool. As far as I remember, LeafPool didn’t show some sort of favoritism towards her kits, so there was never the problem with maternal instincts getting in the way. She did a fine job taking care of her clan. She wasn’t distracted or anything! Everyone learns that she had kits and she has her title as a medicine cat stripped, but why? She’d been taking care of her clan for years “despite” being a mother, so now all of her experience means nothing?
And probably the worst of all for me, was the realization that everything bad that happened to LeafPool after that had no “curse” from StarClan. It’s a bit weird, but my only REAL justification for medicine cats not having cats was that StarClan would curse them, but nothing that happened to LeafPool had anything to do with any sort of “cat magic”. Her own father fired her for the sake of saving face, her clan that she’d known her entire life completely lost respect for her, and the surrounding clans lost respect for ThunderClan, despite the fact that she did nothing wrong. And it was at this moment that I realized that there really wasn’t ANY reason why a medicine cat shouldn’t have kits. The clans say “no”, because StarClan says “no”, but StarClan hasn’t actually given a good enough reason other than “it would be too hard to focus on your kits”, but aren’t the clans the image of the phrase “it takes a village to raise a child”?
MothFlights Vision solidified why that rule makes no sense to me, SquirrelFlights Hope solidified my unironic hatred for StarClan, and The Broken Code solidified why I hate the fact that the cats worship their horrible ancestors despite the fact that all they do is cause them trouble.
I was so angry in SH when they gushed about how happy BlueStar was in StarClan, now that she could be with her out-clan lover, but all I could think was, why wasn’t she allowed to be happy when she was alive? LeafPool wanted to be in StarClan so much, despite the fact that they attempted to demonize her for something they TOLD her to do! I know it’s a bit of a meme right now, but moments like these REALLY make the clans feel like a cult.
They should replace the rule that medicine cats aren't allowed to have kits with the rule that there has to be at least 2 medicine cats (not including apprentices) in each clan.
I can possibly understand the idea of like, not wanting your medicine cat to put themselves in a position where they could die if they don't have an apprentice (have seen quite a few queens die over time from kitting over all the stories) or something like that, but a flat ban on it entirely is strange honestly. I agree that a medicine cat's duties are important and they have to be able to tend to them no matter what, but like also EVERYONE gives their life to the clan. They should be able to enjoy everything there is to offer too.
Exactly. Even without the fact that, as of the most recent arc, every clan has more than 1 medicine cat now w/ only WindClan and RiverClan still having apprentices, a complete ban is just completely unrealistic. Yes if the medicine cat is the mother and they need to feed their kits, they're going to be unable to take care of their clanmates in the same way that they could before, but if there's another queen who's also nursing or once their kits have been weened off milk (which only takes about a month anyway) that's not going to matter. Plus, it's not as if they're constantly feeding their kits or if they even *need* to have kits at all anyway. And how does their family not constitute the same "bias" that they're talking about? It's just so ridiculous for them to tell someone that they don't have the choice to choose whether or not they want to be in a relationship for such a contradictory premise.
even if a med cat died from childbirth, it’s still not the end of the world for that clan cus medicine cat apprentices have been trained by med cats from other clans and it wasn’t against the code
My guess is, back in Moth Flight's time, they didn't have the awareness that Clan members should help queens raise kits. In Into the Wild Whitestorm or someone mentioned that this responsibility was shared by she-cats, but in her book no one seemed to actively try to help with her kits, and Moth Flight didn't blame them either. So maybe, just maybe, this idea was developed only long after Moth Flight. That's what made Moth Flight feel so stressed, which led to the existence of this rule.
Therefore, I think this rule is so realistic. We in real life have so many rules that are created in a specific historical background, and when that background changes, people are reluctant to adjust the rules, resulting in much suffering. The historical background of early Clan period has changed --queens don't need to raise kits alone anymore-- but the rule remains, causing so many tragedies with Yellowfang, Leafpool, etc. That's why we praise revolutions. That's why we need revolutions. I wish to witness this significant change.
I feel like medicine cats should be allowed or have the choice to take a mate and have kites, but mostly if there is another medicine cat or at least well-trained apprentice. That way the medicine cat isn’t like “abandoning” their clan for kitting or raising kits. The clan would still have another medicine cat to rely on. Either way this rule makes no logical sense as it stands considering family ties are all around warriors and medicine cats anyway 💀
No matter how you look at it, this rule just needs to go lol. There's just too many loopholes in the logic that they use to back it up- especially in how it applies to the modern clans. Even if they wanted to compromise, EVERY CLAN already has 2 medicine cats as of the most recent arc anyway with only WindClan and RiverClan still having apprentices. It just doesn't make sense 💀
Pretty much the rule exists because of one’s incompetence, but I completely understand the context
However, I should read the book regardless because I’m curious about Moth Flight
trust me bro, once you give it a read you'll realize how biased it was for it to be made like that 💀
all of the pain that she caused was absolutely NOT worth it
@@Hawkkz I heavily agree
I just finished this book a few minutes ago and I agree with pretty much every point you made. This rule does no good, it causes endless grief and pain. This rule destroys lives. It seems to be the most broken rule, if Starclan knows that most cats don't follow it anyway then why have it? The part that made me angry was when love is cruelly taken from Acorn Fur when she was just starting to fall in love. Quiet Rain then berates her for thinking she can be a mom and have a career. This rule makes me mad and this ending makes me mad. Female leaders exist and can have kits and they have similar duties in regards to caring for their clan that a medicine cat has. Man this rule is useless.
Absolutely! I think all medicine cats should at least be allowed to date and have kits just like their warrior counterparts. The fact that they're even forbidden to form relationships outside of their duties as medicine cats just because of some stupid medicine cat rule is utterly preposterous and upsetting in or itself. I wish the authors would uplift the code in the latest arc but that will most unlikely happen. Speaking of which, I'm currently itching to read Moth Flight's vision (just after watching your review) but I literally just started DoTC 🤣
Good luck w/ reading them LOL. I have reviews up on basically every book in DoTC except for the first 2, so I'd love to hear what you have to say about them once you catch up! Thanks for the comment ❤️
I feel they should rewrite the medicine cat rule of having kits altered to where they can't have kits if there's only one medicine cat in the clan. I don't like Moth Wing for this rule.
That could be a fair compromise! Which is funny that you mention that because literally every clan in the most recent arc has 2 medicine cats now w/ only WindClan and RiverClan still having apprentices LOL
I honestly think that the rule makes it harder for the medicine cats to do their job. Like, imagine all the time they could have spent taking care of the clan or getting adequate rest, instead of sneaking and planning how to hide their relationships/kits from the clan. Imagine if Yellowfang died trying to have her kits in secret with no help? There would be no medicine cat at all. Another medicine cat from another clan could also come and help short term in dire need! It happens all the time practically for other reasons!
Imagine if this rule applied to real world doctors. We would basically have a huge lack of essential workers because hardly anyone would agree to the terms, or we would have doctors being sloppy with their jobs while trying to hide their children and relationships from the police. Both are terrible outcomes with no benefits.
I was surprised you like moth flights vision, most people i see dislike it, but i really like it! Moth flight is one of my favorite characters because she IS so relatable, she clearly has ADHD, which i have, so it was great to have a character with ADHD (though it might not be the best representation at times) and i hope that add more characters with obvious disorders (please add a character with DCD even though i know they won’t in a 1000 years)
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Wait, people don't like it? They can't let the last 30 pages of the book ruin it for them 😭😭 I guess I kind of understand, but I don't tbh LOL
YESSS it's so nice to finally see more positive representation in the series. Moth Flight was written so well, I wish they would create more characters in the same vein.
@@Hawkkz i ikr?
I just like that Moth Flight isn’t the last cat to have ADHD. Flywhisker has it too and it was a struggle for Twigbranch to teach her because it was something that the cats probably don’t know much about, or if they did they don’t know anymore. Sure we may not see Fly again because she became a kittypet but it shows that the writers at least want to give their characters disabilities, and ones that other characters have too so they aren’t going “but we already have a cat with whatever disability” when thinking about disabled characters.
@@dovewingseyesaregreen5664 that is very true!!
I definitely agree! Thank you so much for this video, I really appreciate you talking about this issue in the warrior cats universe, it's something that's bothered me for a long time ^^
Thank you so much! It's been bothering me as well, haha.
The rule only exists because one teen mom who just suffered trauma couldn't balance her work and personal life.
It's literally true though 😭 I love Moth Flight in her book, but even SHE should know that her life was just messed up.
Ooh I really like your character sprites! It's so cute and expressive :)
It's funny; my original OC, Snowstar, had a mate called Falcon who was also a brown tabby with a split-ear scar that went down to his eye 😝
Oh wow! What a coincidence LOL
Thank you! You can find a link to the sprite artist in the description.
I remember when I was in an online roleplay a bunch of us wanted to be medicine cats, including me, so what the thread owner (and clan leader) did was to give each medicine cat a speciality that we could do, like being a midwife, a therapist of sorts, and a herb grower. We all performed regular medicine cat duties as well. I think a system like that would be good for a medicine cat who wanted to start a family.
The medicine cats kit and mate rule is a bad rule and only causes problems and exist for no good reason.
I wish they would write a story in which the rule is removed
Plus it’s wrong for the rule to be made by only one cat
Plus biases will always exist and it wouldn’t mean med cats don’t have time to help or give their attention to others more
Plus it’s wrong that leafpool had to do a trial
That said I did still overall like the book
Take what I’m gonna say with a grain of salt because I haven’t read these books in yeaaars since I was a child and I’ve missed out on a lot of lore and forgotten even more. But what always stuck out to me is how it seems like a lot of medicine cats don’t really? Choose? To be medicine cats. Yellowfang, Jayfeather, and Cinderpelt all come to mind. Through one reason or another they were all basically forced to leave their warrior training and become medicine cats instead. Now that I think about it, the strict rules about not having families of their own probably contributed to a majority of cats turning their nose at the idea of being a medicine cat. I’m sure people will point out all the characters that love being a medicine cat or willingly chose to be one but I’ve just forgotten most of these things with time. Just coming from someone who’s currently studying medicine, who read these books as a kid one of the things that stuck with me is how it seemed like every character made it seem like being a medicine cat was basically a death sentence lol
Just a bit of a hot take, but I kinda figured the rules about medicine cats not having a mate or kits was one of those rules designed with good intentions originally, but like with many real life rules, it didn't age well with changing times and by the time of Arc 1 and onwards, it had become obsolete where it was previously useful. As for why it's still touted as "necessary" past Arc 1, that largely comes down to traditionalist, conservative clan cats that are basically falling back on the age old excuse of "well that's how that's always been" without putting any thought into how lame an excuse that is. In all, how the rule is handled in lore is fairly realistic in my opinion, especially in how this rule lost usefulness yet continued to be used well past that out of habit and dogma in the clans.
What a coincidence! I just got the book from the library yesterday! I'll finish reading it and come back to the vid
Have fun! I really enjoyed it ❤️
Personally, I like Moth Flight in Moth Flight's vision. I just didn't like her in Squirrelflight's hope. I mean, she yells at Leafpool for breaking her rule in the medicine cat code when Yellowfang and other cats did the same thing. Not only that, but StarClan themselves told Squirrelflight that she had to keep the kits and lie to her clan. Then at their trial they "forgot" about it and blamed both sisters for Lionblaze, Jayfeather, and Hollyleaf. (That trial still kinda upsets me, it made no sense imo. Sorry to those who like it.)
Personally, I think if the medicine cat is in a supportive clan who will be willing to help raise the kits and if the medicine cat has a fully trained medicine cat/nearly finished training medicine cat apprentice, and they feel comfortable then thr medicine cat should be able to choose to have a mate and kits. So yeah I agree with your video, another W for the RUclips algorithm.
another thing is THEY CANT HAVE MATES??? ohh noooo a mate is gonna ruin their life even when there’s a second medicine cat oh noooo this is so scary
I am watching an animated cat talk about a great book series I haven`t read in 4 years. Nice.
Surreal isn’t it??
@@Hawkkz WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FU- Okay, now, I have a request as to how I should read the other books in this series. You see, I have only ever read the first series of the warrior cats books when I was a kid, ending with blood clan defeat.
I have read them in my mother language, not english (Meaning that they were harder to get in my country, pretty rare), and for over a decade I thought that this amazing series was just a few books long. I uh, went to look for a description of a character, because I didn`t recognize their name in english and... SINCE WHEN are there DOZENS of these books? And more than 4 clans (Starclan doesn`t count)? It feels like I just found out I have had the holy grail hidden under my bed for years and I don`t know what to do now.
I thought that, because this series stopped a super long time ago, that there would be no fandom left, and your video popping up in my feed was SUPPOSED to be a nostalgic journey through my childhood, not a bombshell. I want to get back into the story and craft theories, and I would like some advice, if you have the time of course.
@@samueltrusik3251 LMAO yeah bro no worries, we all have that moment. I remember finding that out for myself a couple of years ago.
I know seeing all of this stuff is crazy, but there's only like maybe 12 books outside of the main arcs that tie directly into the main plot. There are definitely still A LOT of books, but the rest other than these are optional. Here's my personal recommendation on how to read them:
• The Prophecies Begin (1st arc) [I recommend revisiting this series first]
• Firestar's Quest
• The New Prophecy (2nd arc) [this one is horrible btw but it's necessary]
• Power of Three books 1-3 (3rd arc)
• SkyClan and the Stranger
• Power of Three books 4-6
• Leafpool's Wish (optional but provides more insight)
• Omen of the Stars (4th arc)
• Ravenpaw's Farewell (optional but mentioned in the next book. It's also just a really good read in general tbh)
• Hawkwing's Journey
• A Vision of Shadows books 1-3 (which is technically the 6th arc b/c the 5th arc is the prequel series)
• Pebbleshine's Kits
• Tree's Roots
• Onestar's Confession (optional but provides more insight, though not yet released)
• A Vision of Shadows books 4 & 5
• Tigerheart's Shadow
• A Vision of Shadows book 6
• Tawnypelt's Clan (optional but mentioned in the main series iirc)
• Squirrelflight's Hope (optional but provides more insight)
• The Broken Code books 1-4 (7th arc)
• Graystripe's Vow
• The Broken Code book 5
• Daisy's Kin (optional but mentioned in main series)
• The Broken Code book 6
• A Starless Clan (8th arc) [not yet fully released]
These aren't completely in chronological order because there's a lot of overlap, but this list should keep you from getting spoiled by other books. Other than that, make sure to read all the prologues and epilogues! They're important! Feel free to skip the ones labeled as "optional" as well. I know there's a bunch of stuff, but that should be a complete list! Hope this helps.
@@Hawkkz Thx. I do wonder if we ever see bloodclan again, I liked their concept.
It’s very clear they were going for a nun thing right from the beginning, but then… tried to apply logic to it?
I only just realized that Mothflights Vision was not, in fact, about Riverclans Mothflight, Leafpools friend
In my opinion there never should’ve been a practical reason for medicine cats not having kits. You can still have the Moth Flight plot line, but why not have the rule be religious rather than because it’s distracting? The reasoning for it has a ton of holes anyway, and many priest and healing positions in society and culture often call for celibacy or flat out not having a spouse at all because either God or the gods forbid it. Doctors being allowed to marry and reproduce is a very modern development, after all. This Hunter Gatherer cat society who worship stars would have some primitive viewpoints on that stuff, at least, they *should* have, and not the convoluted reason they made up.
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Absolutely. In the end, it all comes back to choice. The reasons that they use just don't make any sense. They could honestly keep the rule if they actually explained it this way and made it a distinct option rather than a requirement. You make a very good point!
@@Hawkkz The fact is, whenever they explained specific parts of the medicine cat code, they could’ve JUST used “because StarClan said no” or “a medicine cat cannot have offspring or a mate because StarClan cats don’t have the most worldly of attachments even if they have other kin to worry about”. There was no need to have a neurodivergent medicine cat be the root of everyone’s problems. Would that make StarClan cats seem like heartless jerks? Maybe, but they’re basically a collection of gods.
Man people really love warrior cats. I never read any book, know nothing. But I like cats so its a vibe
I suggest reading the first two series and have the rest be fed to you through spoilers
@@thelanktheist2626 The second arc is arguably the worst in the entire serie...
@@legrandliseurtri7495 but it’s also super important to every other upcoming plot so I’d rather read that than the Apprentice’s Quest or… any of the Broken Code.
I don't know if this is a case of impeccable timing, or if I'm reading too much into the delivery of the lines, but having this video coincide with recent judicial decisions made in the United States is uncanny. AND, it makes a strong case about the importance of bodily autonomy on behalf of the individuals effected by StarClan's ruling. So, bravo XD
hahaaaa i try to avoid being political on this channel but yk 🤧 i may have drawn some... connections while i was writing this script. you didn't hear that from me tho :)
I think medicine cats should be able to have kits but it just might be harder when the said Ned cat first has kits because they constantly need attention when young
A fair point! Even without the comfort of the modern clans and the high likelihood of having another queen who could provide their kits with milk, kits absolutely require constant attention when they're young for (at the very least) the first month after they're born. Once they're weened off of milk though, the medicine cat could resume their proper work so long as their kits are being watched by someone else (and that's only *if* they're the mother anyway). Plus, as of the most recent arc, every clan has 2 medicine cats to provide for them w/ only WindClan and RiverClan still having apprentices. They'd always have someone else to take care of the clan even if one of them is gone. No matter how you look at it, this rule just needs to go lol
I always wanted to see some Jay baby’s!
LOL maybe some day.
I actually have some ocs but official content would be cool to!
you deserve so many more subs!!!
Aw, thank you so much! I really appreciate it ❤
@@Hawkkz Np!
This code is so flawed. It’s caused nothing but issues throughout Clan history, and still StarClan has learned NOTHING. I can name just one example now. How about ShadowClan?
Yellowfang is forced to surrender Brokenkit. Her son grows up to become a mentally and physically scarred tyrant, who vents his anger and hatred towards his own family, onto others. Brokenstar sees kits as weak cat fodder, just as he felt he once was. Any kits who are fortunate enough to survive become like him.
Had Yellowfang kept her mate and her kit, the pain and suffering caused by Brokenstar never would’ve happened. Another cat probably would’ve taken his place anyway. Plus Brokenstar would’ve been a much more stable leader, because he’d have a stable family who actually cared about him and treated him well. Nuff said.
What page did she look into the pool and forget to get cobwebs? Cause I heard of that scene
I loved this video, because all that you’re saying it’s right :”)
I think you sound funny and are engaging - you are as if someone took a vtuber personality and then made it a bit mellower, and turned it into a cat :0
Edit- PREACH brotha PREACH
That's the first time I've ever gotten a compliment like that LOL. Thanks, Jesus 🙏
I don't think anyone believes it's a good code and it seems the writers made it to cause drama & move the plot along, and for that it works great but in universe it's ridiculous. I wouldn't have minded as much if the code had a solid reason behind it or if the reason was left unknown.
If breaking the code actually resulted in something bad happening, even if that something was caused by some mysterious evil/force. Whether it was from the dark forest or just cause.
Like what if the role of medicine cat was cursed and the kits or descendants of medicine cats would guaranteed end up evil, like Brokenstar, or having a mate/kits would block the medicine cat's connection to starclan or potentially fatal bad luck falls on the mate, kin or clan. Something more consequential than one cat couldn't handle being a working parent so she decided no one else can either.
I honestly hate moth flight because she refused to let Leafpool and Squirrelflight in, even tho they did exactly what Moth Flight did!
I don't know why they wrote Moth Flight that way in Squirrelflight's Hope. It's like she's a completely different character lol. I wish they would just stop doing stuff like that tbh
I also used to like Moth flight but in squirrel flights hope, I started to hate her
@@Baconcatkv you're definitely not alone lol, dw
Yes yes they should
i really feel bad for the med cats because they can't give birth
Honestly the bullshit flimsy excuses used for it in canon is just proof that it’s another way to stir up drama with forbidden love cliches. The writing in this series drives me fucking insane. All of their explanations for everything are just so… arbitrary. and bad.
Literally such a dumb rule it doesnt even make anymore 🤡🤡 lmao, there are COUNTLESS examples in the series and plus...? Why would kits and a mate be suddenly more important than other family? Leafpool had her sister, mother and father. Would they be more important than the others? 🤡
preach 🙏 🙏
Hard jet 96
so true
This could be prevented if the cats were just gay
Fast head 37
very true