I hate seeing people call waterfall Dust "unbeatable" or "op" or something like that. Waterfall Dust is countered by having 2 guys rush him and not give him breathing room, plus waterfall Dust takes brains to use. One time in a server I barely got kills with it because there were only guys above 2k wins, everyone was playing offensively and absolutely no sans player won. I lost with waterfall Dust, one guy lost with Horror Sans, one guy lost with Littletale max upgrade, one guy lost with Dustbelief. The game becomes very easy when you play a team based game with a good team.
In ULC, there's only a couple of fights that actually feel like a true boss fight, and this is one of them, seriously, it takes legit skill to both play as and to win against waterfall [not WaterFell but that still takes some skill with stamina conservation] There's always that chance that no matter what, you could lose, even if your one of the best, there's always a chance
I FINALLY SAW SOMEONE ELSE DO THIS OMG, you should try more to use blink offensively like this guy! If they are right next to you and you use it it’s free damage! It’s like insanity’s bone wave, use it as a melee not a means of escape!
@@SansINess53 you can use it however you want, I’m just saying it’s more effective offensively then an escape tool. Like I said about insanity’s bone wave, most would use it as an area control move or something to camp and regenerate stamina in, but due to its extremely quick start up people use it as a Melee instead All I’m saying is to use an ability the best way possible, I’m not forcing you to, just saying you 100% should to heighten the chances of a win
Underfell dust is literally stronger but has less stamina to indicate he's pushing himself more to win the fight with being over aggressive in his magic (which is actually lore accurate to the fell universe)
Its really unbalanced in my opinion, you hard nerf the sans team to be on the level that the chara team is, then you massively buff the chara team to the point to where one player using a op reworked weapon claps a sans team player with any new sans or reworked sans
The sans team is still overall stronger, Wfd hasn’t changed that much strength wise, especially since counter got buffed and it has always been able to activate off of ranged attacks
tbh, waterfall dust is weaker compared to snowdin and snowdin is cheaper and more powerful and they need to redo the ruins moveset since it literally stinks to some weapons. Edit 1 : snowdin actually has more offensive shit, like bone spin and bone throw along with gaster blaster, the reason to me waterfall sucks is due to the fact his stamina on a kill only increases by 5, unlike ruins and snowdin dust, and waterfall literally got nerfs to the point using outerdust makes waterfall dust look like littledust more than anything
Not tryna sound rude or anything but could you mention some factors on how snowdin is better than waterfall, I can think of some but I wanna see your side of things
@@SansMbvthe way I see it is that he starts off with a melee, and if you store the melee (not sure if it’s a bug or not) then it can scare off people who know about it and if you hit it, then it does 15 damage and bleeds if it is snowdin dustfell, basically melee hard carries
tbh, they should actually make bone spears more bigger, since it's too tiny to where someone with a toy knife can hit you even if you stay in it. Edit 2 : oh really?, literally toy knife users can hit me without anything happening to them
So first u might need a good aim cuz u can’t always rely on those blasters afterward and baiting them into trap that’s all to be good at him I think but I don’t know if that’s gonna work if u meet a sweaty bravery soul snow ring user💀
yes "waterfall dust is balanced" but that makes him more easy to rush I just hope they actually nerf the sanses that are busted and nerf the weapons, because most weapons are too good for their win count (examples are tough glove, trident, real knife (current)) Edit for rad : nah, dull knife does give more exp yes but it doesn't GIVE you a kill buff meaning it's like killing a DT scythe dude
@@fictey no and yes, I seriously hate the fact that there are weapons that completely counter the character examples are dull knife against ruins dust and spy knife against insanity.
@@SansINess53 Another thing about reworked weapons is that some of them will ignore weapon ghost altogether or make counter unrealiable. rip hardtale users.
if ur ruins dust still or snowdin go into a server with noobs (noobs as in 1-100 wins) and just use blaster and toy knife alot and camp in bone zones, if u get 1 single kill u pretty much won
Going back I gotta say, I had shit ping but now I became good and made children cry because I won, victory for me. Also tip : never use dustfell waterfall he has too little stamina but if you only are fighting 1 person then use him because honestly people will just rush you, cuz they have a braincell of a hamster.
Blink costs 10 stamina and does 2 damage per tick (I believe), the problem is mainly the hitbox and the fact that it gives so much reaction time. I still use blink offensively, but usually I use it to hid attacks or land a cheap spear
1: Even if its 13, it will still take roughly 1/10 of a players hp most of the time which is a nice chipping tool 2: @HyperMurder Did It actually deal 40 Damage at one point, because if so what were they thinking, by the time spear becomes a melee the players should have near or below that hp count which should have been seen
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I hate seeing people call waterfall Dust "unbeatable" or "op" or something like that. Waterfall Dust is countered by having 2 guys rush him and not give him breathing room, plus waterfall Dust takes brains to use. One time in a server I barely got kills with it because there were only guys above 2k wins, everyone was playing offensively and absolutely no sans player won. I lost with waterfall Dust, one guy lost with Horror Sans, one guy lost with Littletale max upgrade, one guy lost with Dustbelief. The game becomes very easy when you play a team based game with a good team.
Brain to use? Eh... Wouldn't really say that, he is easier to use than other dust upgrades and most other sanses
@@AmberCola I worded it wrong. It is easy to use, but being good with it takes skill. Low skill requirement, high skill ceiling.
Waterfall map is probably the 2nd biggest map but aftertail has the biggest for sure
But Geno doesnt have good moves to utilize size of his map to fullest
Yeah you are right about that
Aftertail😂😂😂😂
Aftertail?
@@Wut_am_u Its obvious typo bro...
In ULC, there's only a couple of fights that actually feel like a true boss fight, and this is one of them, seriously, it takes legit skill to both play as and to win against waterfall [not WaterFell but that still takes some skill with stamina conservation]
There's always that chance that no matter what, you could lose, even if your one of the best, there's always a chance
The old classic sans theme karma fit so well with the box attacks if you know the theme then i really dont need to explain which part
@@poopymanz No need to elaborate, I've heard it hundreds of times as a classic main
@@SansMbv how much exp you got?
@@poopymanz Enough for the Golden Boi
@@SansMbv for pee skin?
I FINALLY SAW SOMEONE ELSE DO THIS OMG, you should try more to use blink offensively like this guy! If they are right next to you and you use it it’s free damage! It’s like insanity’s bone wave, use it as a melee not a means of escape!
So your escape tool is supposed to be used offensively.
That message was 4 months ago man, dont think he knows ya replied.
@@danNNy.690 yeah but there is called something called "responding" that's what I'm doing.
@@SansINess53 And there is also something called “Common Sense.” You don’t randomly say something negative about what someone said, it’s respect 101.
@@SansINess53 you can use it however you want, I’m just saying it’s more effective offensively then an escape tool. Like I said about insanity’s bone wave, most would use it as an area control move or something to camp and regenerate stamina in, but due to its extremely quick start up people use it as a Melee instead
All I’m saying is to use an ability the best way possible, I’m not forcing you to, just saying you 100% should to heighten the chances of a win
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Why was the lag on time with the beat?
Even the lag can’t resist the music.
Underfell dust is literally stronger but has less stamina to indicate he's pushing himself more to win the fight with being over aggressive in his magic (which is actually lore accurate to the fell universe)
one thing is use bone rush and spear to camp not to be offensive with bone spears
Me when DustFell (I am about to get absolutely smoked)
Crazy how the chara weapon got buffed to the point where Waterfall needs a video like this one.
Its really unbalanced in my opinion, you hard nerf the sans team to be on the level that the chara team is, then you massively buff the chara team to the point to where one player using a op reworked weapon claps a sans team player with any new sans or reworked sans
The sans team is still overall stronger, Wfd hasn’t changed that much strength wise, especially since counter got buffed and it has always been able to activate off of ranged attacks
@@VirtuaI_Insanity And then there is me clapping Chara team with Snowdin dust:
Or murder dust,bro is old af and still kicking
@@skell6134murder's fog becomes much more reliable after pre empty promises, bc before it was trash
@@friendlyguest4118 Ye but still,aside from that his movesets never changed
That one team with all spy knives cook waterfall dust
To be honest....
Counter + spears at yourself + blink away
i want tips on how to get better at ruins dust i need exp for the waterfall dust lol
tbh, waterfall dust is weaker compared to snowdin and snowdin is cheaper and more powerful
and they need to redo the ruins moveset since it literally stinks to some weapons.
Edit 1 : snowdin actually has more offensive shit, like bone spin and bone throw along with gaster blaster, the reason to me waterfall sucks is due to the fact his stamina on a kill only increases by 5, unlike ruins and snowdin dust, and waterfall literally got nerfs to the point using outerdust makes waterfall dust look like littledust more than anything
Not tryna sound rude or anything but could you mention some factors on how snowdin is better than waterfall, I can think of some but I wanna see your side of things
@@SansMbvthe way I see it is that he starts off with a melee, and if you store the melee (not sure if it’s a bug or not) then it can scare off people who know about it and if you hit it, then it does 15 damage and bleeds if it is snowdin dustfell, basically melee hard carries
Snowdin dust can’t do anything if it doesn’t get a kill early. Waterfall can actually stall until it gets kills
@@radboyparty7943 snowdin can also stall via the melee
@@Notgay696but the melee can brake if you use it too fast and can ruin your game
Bone had the box of shame treatment, when is undertoomb getting that too?
tbh, they should actually make bone spears more bigger, since it's too tiny to where someone with a toy knife can hit you even if you stay in it.
Edit 2 : oh really?, literally toy knife users can hit me without anything happening to them
oh hell nah
BRO WATERFALL DUST IS STRONG AS HE IS
Bone spears is literally his best attack
@@radboyparty7943 his bone spears is just too small.
My brother in Christ what do you mean by toy knife users.
you can hit with spear to people ????
Finnaly i can use waterfall
Wtf is the first 10 seconds of the video pure save points bro (insanity upgrade 3 and hm insanity is going to have a field day)
idk but i never lost while playing waterfall dust...he is op...or maybe A+ tier tbh
So first u might need a good aim cuz u can’t always rely on those blasters afterward and baiting them into trap that’s all to be good at him I think but I don’t know if that’s gonna work if u meet a sweaty bravery soul snow ring user💀
Tip #1: use waterfall dustfell
i can't read a single damn thing with this text speed
yes "waterfall dust is balanced"
but that makes him more easy to rush
I just hope they actually nerf the sanses that are busted and nerf the weapons, because most weapons are too good for their win count (examples are tough glove, trident, real knife (current))
Edit for rad : nah, dull knife does give more exp yes but it doesn't GIVE you a kill buff meaning it's like killing a DT scythe dude
thats a joke right? the part where he is easy to rush.
That’s intended, just because a weapon is cheap doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be viable
@@fictey no and yes, I seriously hate the fact that there are weapons that completely counter the character examples are dull knife against ruins dust and spy knife against insanity.
@@radboyparty7943 but should it solo the entire game?
@@SansINess53 Another thing about reworked weapons is that some of them will ignore weapon ghost altogether or make counter unrealiable. rip hardtale users.
Whhy dust cant use kr?
This is a good guide,but one question..
How are you supposed to upgrade the shittiest charachter
if ur ruins dust still or snowdin go into a server with noobs (noobs as in 1-100 wins) and just use blaster and toy knife alot and camp in bone zones, if u get 1 single kill u pretty much won
ruins dust is good if you have skill, but it wouldn't wind against the most op chara team though
so late to this but i maxed out dust before the big update
Going back I gotta say, I had shit ping but now I became good and made children cry because I won, victory for me.
Also tip : never use dustfell waterfall he has too little stamina but if you only are fighting 1 person then use him because honestly people will just rush you, cuz they have a braincell of a hamster.
Using blink offensively is crazy
I actually use it that way (ofc with Fell dust to make it easier) and it’s REALLY good
Blink costs 10 stamina and does 2 damage per tick (I believe), the problem is mainly the hitbox and the fact that it gives so much reaction time. I still use blink offensively, but usually I use it to hid attacks or land a cheap spear
he is balanced trust me
so many SAVES
I spam spear so I can use the melee
A true chad (Yes I responded to a 6 month old comment)
Bro like if ypu get waterfall dust its auto win
The melee does 13 damage
that's totally better than it dealing 40 damage.
Edit 1 : it did, when testers were testing it
1: Even if its 13, it will still take roughly 1/10 of a players hp most of the time which is a nice chipping tool
2: @HyperMurder Did It actually deal 40 Damage at one point, because if so what were they thinking, by the time spear becomes a melee the players should have near or below that hp count which should have been seen
Useless video waterfall dust requires zero skill fr💀
False
False, his stamina can be drained easily and if u don't know how to use him he's worse than snowdin