the BSA dealer network is the problem and the RE Bear 650 looks a bit unready. I would prefer a 650 ccm single Scrambler from Triumph because the next Triumph/Kawa/BMW dealer is 20 km away. RE dealer ~70 km and BSA i don’t know.
I like the look of The BSA B65 Scrambler and am awaiting the release in the spring, it should be finding a place in my garage. There is no need to worry the BSA powertrain is a lusty unit and performs well.
I'm going there next week , i cannot wait, You have been lucky with 5 months waiting... when i had the "incident" my bike took over 7 months to be fixed 🤣and that was just minor cosmetics ... Between the 2 ill choose Royal Enfield all day, much more classier looking and i bet reliability is great. Hope you make the right decision for yourself and waiting for your trip videos again 🤗
Hi Joe. Having the same dilemma myself! As an ‘oldie’, I went to see the RE Classic 650 but found myself thinking seriously about the BSA Goldstar. In the flesh it looks a beautiful bike. Like some of your other commentators have said, you need to test ride both bikes and hopefully the decision will then become clear. Maybe I’ll just stick with my Classic 350 😉. Both bikes though looked so well engineered. I wait in anticipation to see what you choose.
Bsa goldstar scrambler looks crazy good looking but ter is a surprise from royal Enfield scram 440 it might underated and effective not sure good looking
Hi Joe, I've just traded my street triple for a 2024 new RE Bullet 350 and love it! Such great build quality, simple enough for me to do my own maintenance, gears smooth, quality switch gear, suspension good, excellent parts availability, 3 years warranty & breakdown assist, such great value, I'd go with a Bear 650 hands down, why wait for BSA when their retainable px value is poor, good luck with your choice! 👍😎👊
When Triumph launched their 400s they introduced them at a very competitive price and put them up after they established them. BSA did the exact opposite, overpricing them and then massively cutting the price to unload stock.
The BSA Walks it . Should have looked at The Triumph 400x too I did not like the Bear myself liked the Classic better . I know we are all different. Need to test ride them all next year preferable on the same day then We know
Definitely need to test ride them 👍🏻 yeah I sat on the 400x it was actually the best riding position of any triumph I sat on but lacks that X factor for me.
Street scrambler; has to be a big single! that BSA is very pretty in the yellow. Shades of Big John Banks in the sixties owning the scrambles scene on his B44 and B50's. The enfields are nice if you really want a twin on a scrambler(??) The UK dealer market was a bit fragile for BSA launching 1 bike model to dovetail into post covid and brexit, and was overpriced initially. But worldwide BSA are on the upwards, hopefully you brits can mature your BSA dealer network so the spring brings good news. USA dealer networks have been announced and BSA are now in India too. Hopefully BSA firm up their plans which were for Japan and Australia going into the next few months. But do some research on the best big single scramblers ever and the letters BSA will be front and foremost.
What your all missing, there is little to no dealerships for the likes of CV moto, BSA Royal Enfield. Secondly massive price cuts to these bikes mean dealers will not even take them in part exchange.
the only triumph to consider is the 1200, the others are fake as fuc7 - out of bear and bsa - tough one due to the bear being so well built but the bsa looks so much better off the blocks - it's a single too so it's more fun 🙂, i am in the same boat as you and i reckon the bsa will get my cash - as for the bsa stories, internet is too powerful for -ve news, fuc7 2nd hand market as if you buy to ride then the market will sort itself in good time and you will ride a nice bike for years in the mean time
Because Benelli is owned by a Chinese company, they can knock them out at a low price. It surprises me that Triumphs are not cheaper to, because they are made in Thailand and then simply assembled in Britain, why aren't they cheap?
The 650 Bear. Buying the bike is only 1/2 the story of living with the bike… Royal Enfield have the network, and the Bear is a development of a proven platform.
If could justify spending the coin on a new Triumph, I think I'd have a Bear and a Classic. I've spent the last decade on singles, so sorry BSA you're just not in the frame I need a twin for a bit.
for me it’s the opposite, I had twins since the 80s, Kawa Z750 Twin and now T120. as second/third bike I would prefer at least 500 ccm single like the old SR500 or 650 ccm. the Triumph 400 Scrambler isn’t enough.
Honest opinion triumph is doing alot better then ktm . Royal enfeild is a better deal. But they are teasing another himalayan. Im waiting for the final reveal
Copying RE? This looks way better and more like an actual scrambler with better finish although i like GT650, unbiased opinion the bsa scrambler looks well put together as a product.
Triumph and Ducati should be worried. That BSA looks really nice and the RE quality has really improved. Tough decision.
Absolutely
Ask dealers what they think of BSA , once purchased essentially worthless.
Due to over capacity and price discounting .
the BSA dealer network is the problem and the RE Bear 650 looks a bit unready.
I would prefer a 650 ccm single Scrambler from Triumph because the next Triumph/Kawa/BMW dealer is 20 km away.
RE dealer ~70 km and BSA i don’t know.
BSA is a single cylinder..you can cross it off..the RE Bear would be the one to go for
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Single cylinders are actually better for Scrambler bikes due to better low end torque. It is a pro not a con.
Both the RE and the BSA look OK but if i was to get the BSA I'd wait 12 months to buy it when, like the GoldStar, they will reduce it by 2 grand.
I like the look of The BSA B65 Scrambler and am awaiting the release in the spring, it should be finding a place in my garage. There is no need to worry the BSA powertrain is a lusty unit and performs well.
I don't think you would be disappointed
The Bear looks the business! Esp the teal frame.
Definitely better in person
I'm going there next week , i cannot wait,
You have been lucky with 5 months waiting... when i had the "incident" my bike took over 7 months to be fixed 🤣and that was just minor cosmetics ...
Between the 2 ill choose Royal Enfield all day, much more classier looking and i bet reliability is great.
Hope you make the right decision for yourself and waiting for your trip videos again 🤗
7 month wooowza haha RE bear is a beaut! Have fun next week 👍🏻
Hi Joe. Having the same dilemma myself! As an ‘oldie’, I went to see the RE Classic 650 but found myself thinking seriously about the BSA Goldstar. In the flesh it looks a beautiful bike. Like some of your other commentators have said, you need to test ride both bikes and hopefully the decision will then become clear. Maybe I’ll just stick with my Classic 350 😉. Both bikes though looked so well engineered. I wait in anticipation to see what you choose.
Thanks Andy :) Great fun spending the day with Adam and yourself. You looked good on that BSA, just saying ha
im a RE enthusiast but that BSA is superb beutiful
The production bike comes with plenty more paints schemes as well it’s very nice
Bear 650 is beautiful, saw it in eicma , prefer it to the BSA
Great video 👏🏼
Bsa goldstar scrambler looks crazy good looking but ter is a surprise from royal Enfield scram 440 it might underated and effective not sure good looking
Bear 650 Golden Shadow suits you well.
Thanks mate
Hi Joe, I've just traded my street triple for a 2024 new RE Bullet 350 and love it! Such great build quality, simple enough for me to do my own maintenance, gears smooth, quality switch gear, suspension good, excellent parts availability, 3 years warranty & breakdown assist, such great value, I'd go with a Bear 650 hands down, why wait for BSA when their retainable px value is poor, good luck with your choice! 👍😎👊
The Bear is a great looking bike but the BSA from what I could see looked just as good. Yeah Triumph should be concerned.
Agreed 👍🏻
When Triumph launched their 400s they introduced them at a very competitive price and put them up after they established them. BSA did the exact opposite, overpricing them and then massively cutting the price to unload stock.
Got to ride them and check out the fueling and gearbox.
Bang on 👍🏻
Great video, Joe. That BSA looks stunning. And the Bear. I'm as torn as you 😂 nice dilemmas to have though!
Definitely a good problem, I’m learning towards the bear 👀
6'3"?!? 1200XE. That's the only answer. I'm only 6', so I settled for the XC lol
Why one should buy single cyl. when u have parellal tween available at same price?
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The trade value with bsa forget it , its across the board all bikes have dropped in trade in value , bsa just seem to be targeted
Why not the 400x …amazing price and love the bike and for off road much lighter than the bear and can actually go off road and about same HP
Looking to buy a scrambler yet fails to check out the Honda Scrambler.
Saw it, wasn’t impressed! I think I sat on every bike there haha
Which Honda scrambler?
The BSA Walks it . Should have looked at The Triumph 400x too I did not like the Bear myself liked the Classic better . I know we are all different. Need to test ride them all next year preferable on the same day then We know
Definitely need to test ride them 👍🏻 yeah I sat on the 400x it was actually the best riding position of any triumph I sat on but lacks that X factor for me.
Street scrambler; has to be a big single! that BSA is very pretty in the yellow. Shades of Big John Banks in the sixties owning the scrambles scene on his B44 and B50's. The enfields are nice if you really want a twin on a scrambler(??) The UK dealer market was a bit fragile for BSA launching 1 bike model to dovetail into post covid and brexit, and was overpriced initially. But worldwide BSA are on the upwards, hopefully you brits can mature your BSA dealer network so the spring brings good news. USA dealer networks have been announced and BSA are now in India too. Hopefully BSA firm up their plans which were for Japan and Australia going into the next few months. But do some research on the best big single scramblers ever and the letters BSA will be front and foremost.
Great comment! That was my steer after chatting to the team over at BSA 👍🏻
If you actually want to scramble get a fantic caballero rally.
What your all missing, there is little to no dealerships for the likes of CV moto, BSA Royal Enfield.
Secondly massive price cuts to these bikes mean dealers will not even take them in part exchange.
Yep! Seems that way
@freedom-machines The Triumph 400X scrambler is bigger to sit on than the 900 and looks really well built £5700 or £60 month on PCP .
the only triumph to consider is the 1200, the others are fake as fuc7 - out of bear and bsa - tough one due to the bear being so well built but the bsa looks so much better off the blocks - it's a single too so it's more fun 🙂, i am in the same boat as you and i reckon the bsa will get my cash - as for the bsa stories, internet is too powerful for -ve news, fuc7 2nd hand market as if you buy to ride then the market will sort itself in good time and you will ride a nice bike for years in the mean time
Because Benelli is owned by a Chinese company, they can knock them out at a low price. It surprises me that Triumphs are not cheaper to, because they are made in Thailand and then simply assembled in Britain, why aren't they cheap?
Good bike but too modern looking for me! Yeah it’s either Thailand or India
Fantic 500 twin cam...Italian built, not Chinese
The 650 Bear. Buying the bike is only 1/2 the story of living with the bike… Royal Enfield have the network, and the Bear is a development of a proven platform.
Facts! RE seem to tick every box
If could justify spending the coin on a new Triumph, I think I'd have a Bear and a Classic. I've spent the last decade on singles, so sorry BSA you're just not in the frame I need a twin for a bit.
Totally agree 👍🏻 bear was great but didn’t rate the 650 classic to old school even for me
for me it’s the opposite, I had twins since the 80s, Kawa Z750 Twin and now T120. as second/third bike I would prefer at least 500 ccm single like the old SR500 or 650 ccm. the Triumph 400 Scrambler isn’t enough.
Honest opinion triumph is doing alot better then ktm . Royal enfeild is a better deal. But they are teasing another himalayan. Im waiting for the final reveal
Totally agree
You have been let down once with KTM don't get bitten twice, with BSA, stay well away.
Facts 💯
Only your demo rides will decide
Why is BSA just copying RE?
It’s a very competitive space now
BSA showed a concept last year, its no copy
Copying RE?
This looks way better and more like an actual scrambler with better finish although i like GT650, unbiased opinion the bsa scrambler looks well put together as a product.