Because the doctors have to remain professional no matter what in all situations. Everyone wants to sue a doctor. On top of that if you get in legal trouble for anything in the medical field practically all hospitals and most offices throw you right under the bus without thought. So they can't yell at or even come off as intolerant of stupidity like an Anti-vaxxer. Too much risk to not be a robot. Also the medical field eats your soul tbh
as a public health researcher, im honestly okay with holistic medicine, but only as long as it is paired with medical doctors as well. I also think we need some oversight to ensure we arent having people who are scam artists.
This is my exact thought process. Modern medicine is meant to cure physical ailments, Holistic treatments always seemed like a quality of life treatment or a spirit lifting procedure. Both of which are fine, its just there are situations where one is more appropriate.
That's exactly it. The herbalist isn't who you go to to fix a broken bone, they're who you go to when your acne flares up. My doctor does my bloodwork; my local woo-woo shop helps when it's a little tummyache.
True. I think holistic healthcare is amazing for certain chronic health conditions, or if you're someone who typically responds poorly to drugs (I have a liver disorder that makes taking most meds dangerous). But if you need to remove a tumor or you have a heart attack, you'd better see a regular MD. Everything has it's time and place.
I love how all the “holistic healers” think they know the nuances of becoming & being a medical doctor... It takes 8-15 years to become a board-certified Physician AFTER college. These guys study RELENTLESSLY for YEARS, literally, all to help serve the public. I encourage all “natural healers” to enroll in the classes that are prerequisites in order to get into medical school.. 1 year of inorganic chemistry, organic chemistry, biology, physics, biochemistry; all with labs. Try learning the basic building blocks of medicine and in a year, I’d love to hear their take on all these questions being asked again.
Ryan Kelly Mate , herbalist or healers the likes have been here for thousands of years , not 250yrs ...none of them relying on western medicine, as for my family we do not rely on modern medicine and we are much healthier for sure , our uncle had cancer and wasn’t in terrible condition at all , he was still healthy and super active.went for check up in hospital and they suggested chemotherapy, four days later he was dead ! We are still shocked , that bloody chemotherapy had killed him ! Not his cancer..so ,Allopathic medicine only if I have broken bones , even that plenty of healers can put bones together without troubles or surgeries, Facts !
lita lucas Did it ever occur to you that the cancer killed him, because chemotherapy isn’t an instant cure. Also for those thousands of years when people relied on herbalism they only lived until their 40s or 50s on average and most children died before 18.
I truly believe in the placebo effect, so if some holistic things make you feel better or healthier, I think people should continue to do those things. BUT that should not come at the sacrifice of actual medical care or going against your doctors advice.
*Hypno **_THERAPY_** is therapy, its not supposed to cure cancer lol* EDIT: guys, chill the fk out. It doesnt work for everyone, its basically placebo, and I meant psychotherapy.
Michaela I looked and could not find any credible sources saying this is true. Even bad reactions to vaccines are rare and are caused by rare allergies.
@@maurifick7471 Well, since my mother almost died because of the flu vaccine, I can say that I don't trust vaccines. She was in the hospital for ten days, they have her steroids, her temp was 106F, and they couldn't help her. She lost her voice for over two months after she got out of the hospital.
As someone from a country with universal healthcare, I can't help but think some of them oppose it because it threatens their ability to become ultra rich. Opposing universal health care because VA offers low quality care and Beverly Hills doctors provide top notch care is *exactly* why universal healthcare works, it breaks down barriers. Americans pay more than any other country for worse care and it saddens me to see.
YES. I was actually surprised that only one person walked forward...the idea of universal healthcare has become increasingly popular with the American public (not like a decade ago when things were more mixed) but yeah, I think they all stand to lose money if the system changes. I also hate how the question was whether the US should have universal healthcare, all but one disagreed, but when they all sat down they were like "Well of course everyone should have access to healthcare, but..." and then did the whole song and dance about why it wouldn't work in the US. Whether or not adopting universal healthcare in the States would be difficult or complicated was not the question, whether or not we should have it was. And neither are questions anyway...of COURSE transitioning to universal healthcare will be hard for the US, but of COURSE we should still do it, for both humanistic and economic reasons.
Except care in America is much better than care in Canada. The problem is the people pay too much for it. Quality needs to be raised across the board and the government should take that hit. This is coming from a canadian. Plus doctors get paid by the government anyway so they are becoming ultra rich as well
disappointed they didn't ask harder questions- like "do you believe this stuff actually works" or "who would turn to in a life or death situation" or "do you believe the scientific method is the safest and most effective way to evaluate medicine and treatments". because at the end of the day that's the difference between "western" (aka actual) medicine and "holistic medicine". science. when something is proven to actually work (like drugs, diet, and also practices like meditation) then it's considered medicine. not "holistic".
Also just a sidenote. "when something is proven to actually work." What if the scientific medicine only works because it activates a holistic healing frequency? The current science doesn't understand their own proofs. So nothing is really proven through science. The superficial layer might be cured only through science, however the energy is where the true healing happens. Science will catch up this decade. As an example Science believes Consciousness is a brain function. It's a force field created by the DNA in your whole body. Once science figure out this, we will have insane discoveries.
@@MasterKnutA Care to share any valid scientific experimental evidence for this or did you just read this off a blog or watch a youtube video for this information and believed it without a second thought. "holistic healing frequency" frequency refers to the number of times something repeats in a given amount of time, usually a second and is measured in hertz. What about holistic healing is repeating? And no there isn't some magical force field created by DNA. If so what kind? Magnetic field, electric field, gravitational, Higgs. Or are you just making this up with no confirmation whats so ever? DNA is literally just a chemical, what makes it so special that it gets its own field.
Holly I wouldn’t be so quick to judge her. I had a feeling like that with my fourth on his first set of vaccines. And my gut was right. He had a bad reaction to the vaccines. It was traumatic. The thing is people need to understand not all vaccines or medications work for everyone. My other kids are all vaccinated but my little dude isn’t because of what happened to him at 3 months old. It really is scary and I hope they find a way to test whether someone will react badly to them or not
Do Africans vs African Americans next. There is historical tension between these two groups of people that's still present in some parts of America today. I think this would make a good Middle Ground Episode!!!!
Yeah the lady who said she has never had a positive experience with a doctor is just being silly. I mean every doctor she went to was racist? Every one? Sometimes people carry their expectations with them and it obscures their judgment I think. Modern medicine has benefited humanity in so many revolutionary ways. But we can’t dismiss the other side either because healers, shamans, witches, etc actually have a much longer history. They were the first doctors. A lot of that knowledge has been lost unfortunately. That doesn’t mean everyone who claims to be a healer or every remedy is going to work. I would say some of it is just wishful thinking but sometimes on a rare occasion, it is miraculous and goes beyond what traditional medicine is capable of.
I feel like this would be better if everyone was blinded in a way and couldn’t see who walks forward. Very clear in this episode that some people only walked forward because others did
Yea but they still end up sharing their opinion. Who walks up or not doesn’t really matter compared to what they actually have to say. If they stay or walk based on peer pressure, that can also be a source of information for us to see just how much conviction they have in that question
gizmo19351 mhmm maybe I also think not everyone has a jolt to the answer some people gotta sit on it lil longer, but I can for sure get behind making sure that voting part is blind in some way
for real. holistic "healing" is okay as a supplement to evidence-based medicine - if you got in a car crash and you think acupuncture will help the back pain IN ADDITION TO seeing an MD, then all the power to ya. but it breaks my heart when i hear about terminal cancer patients who go to those ~natural~ treatment centres in mexico when they stop trusting in western medicine.
Yeah my parents didn’t believe my protruding ribs and bad posture was an issue when I asked to go to the doctor. I grew up and learned I have scoliosis. Now I can’t wear a brace cause I’m too old for it to really help
See, this is why they should be set apart with partitions when the questions are asked, turned backwards, and have only 5 secs to decide, because some people are only choosing answers based on others.
Jessie Lin in my department, we have a student who went to medical school and is a licensed physician in China, and came to the US to study immunology and cell biology to be a cancer researcher. One of her family members back in China has developed the same type of cancer she specializing with in research, and they refuse to take any of her advice and are only relying on ancient Chinese medicine such as herbs, acupuncture, and meditation. The sad part is, if they had taken her advice, the cancer likely could have been successfully treated, but are now likely terminal.
Haha, you have some wit. But just so you know, that's not how it works if you are talking to anyone who is even halfway legit. Maybe don't base your opinions of real people on caricatures.
@@welshieranger4697 What I meant is that no legitimate alternative medicine practitioner would prescribe freaking herbs for a car accident. They'd tell you to go to the hospital like anyone else because they aren't idiots. My point is that there are different ways to treat different things. A legit holistic practitioner is not going to tell you that their treatments can solve everything and never to use western medicine. None of the people in this video said that and none of the doctors I have ever been to say that. You seem to have a caricature of what you think a holistic practitioner does in your mind and I am saying that it's wrong.
Might be the best thing. I was in an accident, was force to go to the hospital in an ambulance and kept against my will and charged over 10 thousand dollars when the only treatment I received was a drop of liquid bandaid. Would have preferred a nice cup of tea.
I very much believe in using herbs because they have helped me with several health issues. But I still go to medical doctors for issues as well and inform them what I am doing. When treatment and further tests are suggested by my medical doctor regarding anything, I do my research and I make the best decision for myself. Most of the time I do turn down medications, depending on what it is. Most meds I have taken in the pass have given me issues due to side effects. So if I can take an herb to do the same job without the side effects, then this is great. Not all herbalists/holistic healers think the same. Yes, I want to go to the emergency room if I am in a car accident. I think you all are being extreme thinking these people wouldn't want medical intervention if in an accident.
I'm so surprised that almost all of them were against universal healthcare! "you get what you pay for"- countries with universal healthcare still have private options for rich people. The base-line free health care is still amazing, but you can get fancy treatments or super quick treatment at private clinics. "There's a lot of moving parts"- yeah... same with the countries that have universal healthcare. But they still work. It isnt going to happen overnight, but it is doable. Its so wild that the US doesnt have universal healthcare...
If you look at most of the democratic candidates, their plans cut out private health care. So yes, other countries have universal/public as well as private, but the most of the USA democratic candidates pushing for universal health care will not allow private health care.
@annaisabella100 in Germany, everyone is required to pay healthcare insurance but you can choose what you pay for (private/public) and there are some that specialize in chronic illness, elderly etc.
This video seems mistitled. It's not holistic medicine that they are talkng about. It's "alternative treatments". Holistic refers to integrative treatment of the whole person (physical, mental, emotional, etc). These alternative healers are using the word "holistic" improperly, and it muddles peoples understand of holistic treatment, which refers to treating patients with medical treatment in hospitals/clinics in addition to stress-reducing therapies, etc (such as occupational therapy and psychotherapy to help with physical ailments). Medical professionals actually support holistic treatment (when the word is used properly).
Well none of them said they were against the integration of western medicine as well as alternative healing. I dont think they expect people to go to them instead of medical physicians and doctors i think they just want to provide different ways of healing in certain areas.
My aunt died from cancer because she didn't take her medicine and instead resorted to alternative medicine :\ EDIT: she had breast cancer and it was caught at an early stage. She stopped taking her medication because she didnt like the way it made her feel (also she was very religious and thought praying + alternative medicine = cure) She would be alive today if she had just taken her pills and didnt resort to alternative medicine
She still going to died in hospital.. there more people died in hospital.. but people understand it because hospital still have it limit in curing people.. that why nobody complain
As an ER nurse, I don't see how one community can entirely discredit the other. Holistic therapy might be what you need for pain management or combating the side effects of western medicine (nausea as a side effect from chemo, etc) as an adjunct therapy, but also holistic medicine won't do too much if you come into the ER with a stroke or heart attack. The beauty of the surplus of information nowadays is that people can pick and chose what works for them day to day but neither side should be looking down on the other profession.
I love how doctors are so open when it comes to alternative medicine and people who haven't had medical training are so quickly dismissive. Like, both of my parents are doctors and they both would rather give me some ginger tea with honey than a cough syrup... Just understand there is a place for both
You need a balance for both and to know what areas to use each in. While alternative medicine can be used for more spiritual aspects of the body, mind, and soul medicine that doctors study for years is for superior when it comes to surgeries and other things physically. Like depression In most areas I think alternative medicine is better with that then just taking a pill. However, when it comes to cancer and virus you need doctoral assistance.
Yeah they say blue colour is lime a "trust colour" for brain. i winder how many of them did that on purpose and how many didnt though, if any, would be nice
Its concerning indeed but I'd argue that we should take it with a grain of salt when talking about applying these perspectives onto the entire community. It's a very small sample size, like 3 people out of millions. I've watched documentaries where there are doctors, physicians and etc who argue for universal healthcare.
I deeply cannot understand this "but not in America", because in America, you have to pay your way out of cancer? But in Canada you don't? Where is the argument here? Where is the logic? Where is the compassion? Sounds like the propaganda has seeped in REALLY deep
And everything that was said against it is just something they are mistaken about: 1. You don't get what you pay for. Theoretically, a universal healthcare should cost the average person more, yet America's costs are so high that no universal health care is more expensive to the average person when compared to America. And I don't mean similar costs that just barely put them over the edge, I mean American's are on average paying a multiple of 2+ more for their health care. 2. They aren't getting higher quality because they spend more. America's health care is frequently placed among the worst in developed countries. 3. It really is that simple which is why it's crazy to say it isn't. If every other developed country can figure it out, including so many that have a worse economy than the US, they should be able to figure it out as well.
I don't understand their responses against Universal Healthcare. 1. "You get what you pay for" is a very privileged position to have. 2. They should primarily consider people who cannot afford basic healthcare needs such as Insulin rather than "Beverly Hills folks" who won't get the "best" medical facilities. Both systems can coexist. 3. So the guy said he doesn't support UH because (he thinks) it's too complex to pull off in the US. What?
I hated that answer of "there's so many other factors, if it was easy wed have done it by now" yeah no ones saying its gonna be easy or happen overnight but you don't wanna start the process now so we can have it in the future?
Rishabh Kumar say it louder for the people in the back! I am 110% behind the idea that everyone deserves access to healthcare. However, it really isn’t as simple as it seems. The population of the U.S. is exponentially larger than that of other first world countries like Canada and the U.K which are providing healthcare for approximately 20% of the people the U.S. would have to. We can get there if we have the right people in office, but it will take a long time. It’s extremely hard to socialize a country as large as 327.2 million.
He might have just been speaking in layman's terms for the sake of the video and its intended audience. They encourage you to do so as a health care professional so the general population knows what you're talking about.
If he claimed to be an oncologist these woo woo hustlers would treat him like they treat other science concepts and ingredients they can't pronounce. With fear and smugness mixed into one
To be honest, not all vaccinations are created equal, and most people are already in poor health and in a weak metabolic and immunological state. Vaccination is nuanced
@@memefeed2147 No, that's not how anything works. The majority of people are not "already in poor health and in a weak metabolic and immunological state". Furthermore what the fuck does weak metabolic state have to do with a vaccine? Like their hyperthyroidism is going to affect the vaccine effectiveness? You need to understand the risk and reward ratio before making comments like these.
@@aggressivelyamicable5987 perhaps the flu vaccine is one that is not super effective/neccecary but the woman was referring to the MMR vaccine, that one is CRITICAL.
It's funny and sad 98% of you bashing her for not getting her kid vaccinated don't even know what's in vaccines.. Go read the inserts then come give your opinion Common sense over " science"
@@kaitlynnrichter4455 I've read the inserts and studied the science behind it in university - I'll take my lifesaving vaccines over a resurgence of measles, thank you very much.
“I don’t think I’m appreciated coming in as an informed person” bruh it’d be like you watching one documentary on the Pyramids of Giza and then lecturing an Egyptologist
Just because she thinks she's informed, doesn't mean she is. But if she has the attitude of thinking she knows better than a professional... I wouldn't appreciate her either.
She probably meant that she comes in informed about her specific chronic illness. After seeing multiple doctors and doing her own research on symptom management it would make sense that she was more informed about her illness and body than a general practitioner who hasn't heard about their condition before. For example, I was diagnosed with POTS by a cardiologist. I've seen dozens of doctors who when I tell them my diagnosis they go: "what is that?". In that case, I come in as an informed person. Some doctors appreciate that, and others don't.
Kirsie Lundholm yeah but what happens after you tell them what your diagnosis is? Do they just say ‘well I haven’t got a clue what you’re on about so I’ll just let you decide what’s best’? Yes not every GP is going to know every disease and how to treat it but that’s not necessarily their job. They are called *general* practitioners for a reason, they haven’t specialised in a certain area so wont know how to treat every problem they face. Their job, if they can’t treat your problem, is to send you to a specialist in that area, not let you take your health into your own hands, which is what this woman seems to want to do. So yes you may be more informed on specific diseases that you personally have, but they have access to your medical records and can very quickly and easily decide, based on their years of professional training, how best to proceed, whether that’s to prescribe you something there and then or to send you on to someone with specific training in that field.
@@fekinuhhh3495 Yeah, if I go to a family doctor and tell them about my bone disease, they may not know. However, if I take that same information to an orthopedic doctor, they'll know right away. A family doctor is there to give you general diagnosis' they have a bit of training in everything. If you take your condition to a specialist then they would more than likely know what it is, how to treat it, and any methods to alleviate the symptoms.
"You don't get to use the word miracle" Being a doctor doesn't mean abandonment of beliefs in a higher power that grants miracles, it just means studying and applying scientific methods because you have accepted that you have no supernatural powers to heal your patients.
I have much respect for his restraint on his response. I wouldn't been able to keep my cool like him. She also lost any smidge of respect I had for her with the comment.
Basix same thing how parents say “how can i trust this doctor that has seen my child for 15 minutes when i see it for my entire life” well... doctors did indeed go to school... you don’t have to be with a child 24/7 to diagnose their problems 🤦🏽♂️ if you don’t trust the doctor don’t go to the doctor simple as that
There's a difference between having knowledge and using it though. The rates of misdiagnosis or outright dismissiveness are alarming. There are great doctors out there, but there are terrible ones too.
True, but I've had 40 years of experience with my chronic illness, which I can guarantee you is more than any doctor who is not a specialist. And even then for almost the first 18 years of my life, your average doctor didn't believe it was a "real" disease.
Universal Health care is great and not as impossible as it may seem. Here in Germany, it works absolutely fantastic. If you do not know, what needs to be done for a working health care System, ask countries which already have one.
I'm on both sides, when I'm n a cold a like ginger and tumeric in a lemon tea with some Advil🤷🏽♀️......but for more serious things visit your doctor I necessary I mean you guys we have machines that can detect things we cannot see and maybe save our lives 💯!
Ginger & Lemon Tea has plenty of Vitamin C and other Minerals that “medically” help you with a cold. It’s not something that we do not use as physicians. You’re literally still managing yourself in the way physicians do.
Hovsep Khachatryan its sad that its physicians who are saying that. We have universal healthcare in Canada and its working just fine and were just 36 million vs 400 millions in the usa. It would work even better there
s w you are proving your own point. 36 million vs 350 million, we in the US have 10 times the population size it would be incredibly hard to implement universal healthcare without spending $60 trillion dollars and putting ourself into even more debt
George Missailidis and why is that, exactly? I mean you should be challenging that course of thought a little. Why is the US in so much debt? What areas is the US spending most money to? Who and where does the debt come from? Is it fair to deny universal healthcare because of debt while still funding certain things? Are US citizens really that valuable for the government if healthcare is swept below the carpet while simultaneously dropping billions into other things that have no real benefit for the people?
yes, their excuse was "it won't be easy to do/would be complicated"...? Like what? So because it won't be easy they think it should not happen? Do they not realize you can have quality universal healthcare that is accessible to everyone and still have have privatized health care where people who are willing and able to spend more money can choose to go to for treatment? Same way there are public schools available to every student free of charge that offer quality education but if you can afford it and want to you can send your child to an expensive private school. Or am i over simplifying this?
Social healthcare programs in the US have a history of being the worst. Anyone who has studied that here would immediately understand why it would not be good or take a lot of sacrifices that Americans aren't willing to do.
Americans: Our country is the land of opportunities for every citizen! Also Americans: Universal Healthcare is possible in other countries but completely impossible here because we're... Americans...?
@@AlexCab_49 My spouse has had expensive surgery and at no time did we feel like anyone else was responsible for paying our bill. Expecting/demanding others to take care of your responsibilities is just asinine.
I'm shocked, as a Canadian, that Kristine basically said that you pay for the level of care you receive. It is a basic human right to have access to health care and I'm so shocked that these people in the field of health care wouldn't want to provide the best care for everyone, despite the amount of money they pay. I get that it's a money and policy issue, but so many other countries make it work and are ergo happier on the UN World Happiness Report. US has fallen because of a growing divide amongst the rich and poor. 🤷♀️
Other countries are different than America. In theory you would think it would work so easily, but in reality it wouldn’t work so great in America at least in the first couple of years.
nicol you also pay for the level of care you receive in Canada. You get better doctors and more time will be spend on you, get more test done on you if you have a private insurance.
I know Canadians who say their health care sucks because it’s free. Takes forever to get service/help. Broke your arm? Could take a few days to see a doctor
@@RonjaBock Putting the level of care aside there is more to universal healthcare than just that. One if not THE leading cause of debt is in healthcare costs. Also about 30 to 40 thousand people die because of lack of health care. And not to mention that is saves money. Right wing groups like to fear monger about the cost and while yes it will cost 32 trillion over 10 years the most conservative cost of what it is now is 34 trillion dollars while on some accounts as high as 40 trillion.
Fizzy Bizzy Yes, I see how it sounds kind of redundant. My guess is that not all doctors are physicians. Physician clarifies that this person is a medical doctor, not a person who has a doctorate degree( PhD)
@@enterusername2855 Yeah, but then if thats why they did it, then that completely negates the point of avoiding scientific jargon. Most people have no idea of the difference between a doctor physician and a doctor, i bet more know what oncologists compared to that lmao
Yes, I'm very surprised none of the doctors mentioned this. But I guess they didn't really ask the question. Traditional "western" medicine is meant to be holistic. Unfortunately, it often isn't, but something being natural or preventative doesn't mean that it's not part of western medicine, the field of medicine encompasses all treatments that are found to work through empirical evidence, whether that be yoga or synthetic medications. The "holistic" practitioners are actually practicing alternative medicine.
This is my thought! Like if it works, why would science NOT be utilizing that? The idea of medicine is that they do everything they can to find PROVEN and undeniable drugs to help fight symptoms or something. It’s not like doctors completely throw out anything that wasn’t made in a lab. Otherwise we wouldn’t have a lot of current medicine. If it works and it’s proven to work, it gets used by doctors. That’s how the scientific method works lol the only issue is that they have to be able to repeat the results for it to “work.” Medicine that is proven to heal people is just medicine. It only has a different name when it can’t be replicated consistently
Something I love about some Asian countries is they utilize both modern medicine & ancient/holistic practices. Definitely, there are herbs out there or daily lifestyle habits that can improve health... but it's not panacea. Modern medicine isn't perfect either, but it's highly regulated & operates under scientific consensus. Utilizing the best of both worlds makes sense.
I feel like both are valuable. I relate to holistic care when it comes to my mental health and making my body feel good (digestion, skincare, energy etc). I don’t want to feed my body with man made medications for things like that. But if I came down with some terrible illness, or had a medical emergency, I 100% would choose a hospital with trained professionals to save my life by all means necessary.
Exactly. Holistic health for mental health. Some jasmine tea or lavender oils isn’t going to cure a bacterial infection. There’s a time and place for all practitioners wanting to spread health and wellness to the population.
As Geralt of Rivia elegantly put it. It's essentially rubbing salve on a tumor. Faith can be good, as long as you have common sense in the equation. God isn't gonna solve all your problems.
Modern medicine hasn't found a cure or vaccination for Corona virus either yet. Preventative medicine and increasing the immune system is the best medicine currently.
Agreed. I find it crazy that a lot of Americans don’t support UHC. Even though we all pay for it through taxes, I could not imagine someone who needs serious medical attention to be footed with a tens-even hundreds-of thousands dollar medical bill after. That’s absolutely wild to me.
I've lost hope for Americans. We elected Trump and now we have Trump going against Biden, a man with dementia. Yes, I've no hope at all for my.fellow citizens.
Can ya do psychologists vs emotional/ spiritual/ mental healers? like psychologists who diagnose + treat patients with psychotherapy, cognitive therapy, and medicine vs healers who treat patients through healing modalities such as reiki, meditation, and shadow work, among other things.
Only one person supports universal health care?! As a Canadian living in the UK, that makes me so sad. To the doctor who said that it isn't that simple, most 1st world countries have a form of universal health care except the US. It is simple but you have to want it and I don't think the US wants it.
Completely agree with you as a Canadian it was disgusting to see how blinded the U.S. is in regards to free healthcare. People r dying simply for not being able to afford basic care or their medicine, it has effected people so much i see them coming here or to mexico all the time just to buy the same medicine at a livable cost. And the 1 doctor saying it isnt easy even though he wants it then list hopital cost is exactly the mentally thats a problem when clearly facts have shown it is that easy becuz its available in most 1st world country, a human life should not have a price ever and they need to realize their system is broken
There is so much misinformation about healthcare and health insurance in the U.S. that has poisoned the well. Thank god for Bernie, he's really shifted the overton window on universal healthcare
@@jacquiec01 It's not free healthcare. It's universal. That's a difference. Because we do pay for our universal healthcare with the taxes we pay. That's, I believe, one of the biggest problem with why the US doesn't like universal healthcare. Many people think it's "free" and think that people are too entitled and just want free stuff etc. when in actuality it's financed using tax money, so it's not really free. It's everyone working together so that everyone can get healthcare, no matter who they are.
Monica B okay yes. I live in the US and it angers me to see only one single person supporting it. Basically, they’re saying they don’t care about everyone’s well being because it’s too “complicated.” I can’t believe how people from my own country don’t even care..
I’ve heard from a few Canadians that they have long wait times and the doctors don’t seem to care as much as the doctors here. They’ve had to go back for the same thing multiple times because they’ve been rushed out the door. Have you seen this in your country?
Nicholas Sides public healthcare is not perfect, there are lines and there are waiting lists, but your regular “family doctor” (idk how to say that in English) is free: you are sick, you need meds, you can go there and being visited and you don’t pay. More importantly: if you hurt yourself very badly and you need to go to the hospital you can call the ambulance and they bring you to the hospital and heal you and you don’t have to pay. You don’t have to pay for insuline for diabetes and most meds for serious illnesses are free or partially free. If you need for example to be visited quickly there is plenty of places where you can pay and be visited almost immediately and the majority of people uses them, but it remains the fact that if you fall and break your leg and you are in atrocious pain you don’t have to think about not calling an ambulance because it will cost you thousands. Public and universal healthcare in Europe goes along with private healthcare, is not a perfect service but at least no one is left behind.
@@gemsix876 yes, it does happen in germany, too. The system is not perfect and private insurances are better than the public ones. Still, no one who is registered has to fear the bills their children may have to pay in the hospitals more than dying of something that could be taken care of.
Nicholas Sides of course everything is subsided by taxes that we pay but they are proportionate to your wage, medical surgery or meds can cost hundreds of thousands and I think it is cool that we all pay less and we pay for everyone. It is not perfect but at least I don’t have to collect a debt because I broke some bones
11:35 “if it was that simple it would be done already” That’s really the point, there’s a complexity to universal healthcare and they know better than anyone how complex it is especially in a large country like the USA
It honestly blew my mind none of them did. Here in the UK it is the greatest thing this country has ever done. Speak to anyone from the UK they will tell you the same. That includes almost every healthcare professional. Unless of course they are private doctors who just want money.
It also took me aback. The guy explains it well, but it's something you wouldn't expect coming from a health practitioner. They know how complex it is since they do this for a living, but it's a very harsh reality. I'm from Latin America where universal healthcare does exist, but the quality is not the best... So far you can't have both.
@@alexalonzo4070 ok I know a lot of doctors in the US who support universal healthcare and they also understand the complexities of the healthcare system? It isn't impossible and even if it actually was impossible I think they shouldve stepped forward out of principle
lexi styles7 probably to make it more easier for people to understand I’m sure there are skme people out there who wouldn’t know that an oncologist is a doctor who specializes in cancer treatment
I didn’t know what an Oncologist was, never had to deal with one. Probably should have said “I’m an Oncologist - a cancer doctor”, but it doesn’t matter that much.
The only challenge is that practitioners want to continue making obscene amounts of money. They don't want to give up the wealth or prestige. To be a doctor in most countries is a middle class endeavor. Americans like their rock star status.
@@jrandall1131 I am ignorant in this topic. But I have a question. Within universal health care, can you not open a private practice that charges what they charge now?
@@goodrose4734 Obligated? No sir. In my experience everyone uses public healthcare first off as it's cheaper or free. If the case is complex or they want xyz (own room, nearby, surgery in a week vs a month) they might opt for private clinics.
My daughter's pediatrician straight up says in their intake forms that they don't tolerate parents who don't vaccinate. If that's you, leave right now.
Just because someone believes in holistic health care, doesn’t mean that they can’t simultaneously believe in modern western medicine. I believe they both have their place. One is more for extreme medical conditions and treatments, while the other is for more preventive health and non life threatening illnesses. For example: Do I want western medicine to treat my psoriasis? No, because the drugs and wide variety of treatment options I have tried that the dermatologist prescribed caused other side effects. However, did I want a holistic health care provider when I broke my ankle? No, I wanted the bone set and to be mended properly.
True and the thing is like what they said in the video, they can learn things from each other. The one thing holistic medicine succeeds overall is that they provide better consultation sessions as a whole. The problem with modern medicine is that there is a lack of attention in providing better consultation sessions, especially when patients aren't that communicative. Testimonies from patients provide a significant amount of diagnostic value for the doctors (especially when seeing your general physicians). As for holistic medicine there needs to be some form of regulation and organisation, such as its own self-regulatory board for its various disciplines in that it can't be used to take advantage of vulnerable people.
This group was so open minded and respectful, I think these two types of medicine working together is the best way to cure or improve diseases, I'm glad they were comprehensive of each others practice and viewpoints
“I believe the other side takes advantage of vulnerable people” I WOULDVE RAN UP TO THOSE CHAIRS. I can not stand alternative medicine for that very reason.
as if traditional medicine is not abusive specially towards ppl who have cancer making they pay hundreds for treatment and sometimes they don't even have the right approach and treat ppl as merch. I know two ppl who had cancer one of them the doctor said in her face that there was nothing he could for her anymore. She had to rely on alternative medicine as her only hope and it's getting better. In the other case the person already believed in alternative medicine and she go straight to them and she is now cancer free and guess what? Her doctor didn't charge her anything for appointment.
Gaia the other people had excellent points. I know Canadians who said it takes forever to get help. Broke your arm? Could take about 3 days before you see a doctor
I live in Europe and I'm also a med student. Yes, long waiting lists are a huge issue and state funding is never enough. I work with physicians every day and everyone here is complaining about the system, however these are medical professionals talking about fundamental human rights... Maybe it's a matter of colture, I don't know, it just sounds unbelivable
@@bighaneul89 No, because you can't measure the effectiveness of a language or prove that it "works" better than other, which you can totally do with medicine.
_Very interesting topic..._ I mean, science and medicine have their shortcomings simply because humans have shortcomings... I don’t think that holistic healing is anything other than a placebo effect, a psychological therapy. So, I suppose it could help. BUT, do NOT replace it with or think it is superior to the actual science and medical field. That can be detrimental to one’s health. I am enjoying this episode though! Great job as always Jubilee!
Some holistic healing is more than placebo, such as diet and exercise to reduce cholesterol or blood sugar in type 2, or mindfulness therapy for depression. But even the placebo can be just as, if not more effective in some cases. There have been some interesting studies related to arthroscopy in knees. Those who thought they had the procedure recovered faster and had longer positive outcomes than those who actually had it. We often under estimate the power of the mind in healing. All of that being said, I'm not going to take lavender oil for strep throat and my children are vaccinated.
And when that one person was one of the holistic healers, and none of the doctors, that surprised and confused me. I thought all doctors and no healers would walk up.
MySoulHasLeftTheGroupChat many of them also have hundreds of thousands of dollars in med school debt. if we had universal healthcare they wouldn’t be making as much money as they currently do. if there was universal healthcare, there has to be student debt forgiveness
I feel both holistic and western medicine can coexist, no problem. If I have a headache or a cold I’ll turn to home remedies, but if there is a serious problem and I need surgery , antibiotics or anything of the sorts I’ll obviously take it. Especially in the US where a lot of people can’t get medicine because of their messed up system , I find it completely natural that people will find their own ways to treat themselves when they don’t have different options.
No, they cannot. If a home remedy has been proven to be effective, then that is "western" medicine. If it has not been proven, then any effect that you feel after taking it could be the placebo effect. You must also consider the potential risks of taking home remedies that are not proven to be safe.
They should specify that this is about American medicine as opposed to "Western" medicine. The way the USA has a system where medical industry lobbyists influence government policy, and that money is the primary driver for care, the pitfalls of American medicine differs massively from that of other western nations
It's a good and bad thing. Because of all the money that's in the American medical industry. A lot of new products/cures/techniques comes from America. But we are gouged with expenses while the rest of the world gets these new innovations from us for almost free.
Also we aren't forced to pay for healthcare until we actually get healthcare. I've not needed to go to the hospital in 5 years and I haven't spent a dime in medical bills.
@@brettkelly4575 "Life expectancy at birth in the U.S is lower than comparable countries. In 2017, U.S. life expectancy was 78.6 years, compared to an average of 82.3 years for comparable countries." im sure theres a lot more at work here than your healthcare system alone, but don't be delisional..
As someone who has had experience seeing a holistic functional medicine doctor, they make it very clear on when western medicine is needed and when actual medical doctors should be involved. Very silly to read the comments saying "car accident, not gonna call a holistic healer", yeah duh. Of course you're not and they wouldn't either, but if your suffering from a long term illness that you have yet to be helped, highly recommended to seek other options such as functional medicine. Work on getting to the root of illness and start from there, instead of just continuing to mask symptoms with years of prescriptions and not heal the root cause.
Except there is no legal obligation or structured guidance of any kind for people in the field. They can say and do pretty much whatever they want. Your provider might refer you to evidence based modern medicine when they fail, others will not and don't and receive no repercussions when their patient dies. Doctors get investigated.
I’m from Canada, but when you’re countries always had it, it’s a lot easier to implement small changes, but when you’ve always been privatized, it costs ungodly amounts of money. The best Medicare for all plans as of right now cost 52-70 trillion dollars within 10 years. It’s also significantly worse care, because the doctors will be making less money, therefore performing worse, or not even going into that field in general. Here in Canada we are having a huge shortage of physicians and family doctors, because most people are training to go into privatized fields like laser eye surgery, where they will make more money.
Isaac Stop we didn’t always have it though. Tommy Douglas couldn’t give it to Sask universally in 1946, but he did cover the majority of the province. Louis St. Laurent funded the HIDSA funding 50% off programs by the provinces who implemented them. Pearson saw how great the Sask program was and enacted the MCC in 1966, but it wasn’t until 1984 that we got the CHA that effectively made it universal. The US can easily do the same as the price for universal Medicare is cheaper than what the US currently spends. Also a big part of Canada’s MD shortage is because 19% of Canadian med school graduates are Americans who go back home to work. Why don’t we approach it like the military? “Sure we will educate you, but you owe us 5 years in return.” That would lessen our shortage instantly and potentially have some MDs stay indefinitely
@@Choose2Connect Is not a shitshow because of that. And we also pay to have a better healthcare than the free healthcare available. But at least if you break a bone and you don't have insurance you don't end bankrupt or with a huge debt for life.
“If Universal healthcare was simple we would have done it”- What is this guy talking about? We don’t have this system not because it’s so very complicated that there are no possible ways to implement it and have it work but because insurance companies keep lobbying our senators and congress people to support them. No one is saying that a transition from our current system to a socialized one will be smooth and perfect but the end result will be more beneficial for everyone in the long run rather than a handful of people. You can still get the fancy, Beverly Hills clinic, it just means other won’t have to die due to lack of care. I was very disappointed to hear doctors, especially the cancer doctor be against that. How many patients does he get who can’t afford their treatments and either die or go bankrupt?
I personally think that any doctor against universal health care is in violation of the hypocratic oath. Our current system does an immense amount of harm and being okay with the status quo because you think it will be hard or because you want your Beverly Hills payout is disgusting.
I would much rather pay my insurance company to get access to fast medical treatment instead of being placed on a waiting list for months. Why do so many Canadians head to the US when they need chemotherapy or have a rare life threatening diseases? If you see the numbers between deaths from illness country to country, you will see the US does substantially the best at curing compared to free healthcare systems.
As an Asian, it's interesting to see the tension between two styles of medicine in Western country. The combination of Western medicine and holistic medicine is sooo normal here, even obvious. Asian moms make their children drink western pill with herb juice all the time lol
I think because of the development of “western” practices in the region and the way in which health is viewed in Asian cultures. Correct me if I’m wrong but rather than looking at the body separately Asian cultures tend to think of the body as a whole a illness as being out of “harmony/balance”
@@darkbirb6345 I think they afraid of allergy and poison. Many comments believed that holistic medicine is placebo effect. Firstly, many holistic medicine are based on sciene too. Secondly, they need to know that herbal medicine is just vegetation soup, juice lol. It's not going to creat allergy, completely organic.
When I developed my chronic illness 10 years ago, I didn't believe holistic medicine could work. After 6 years of failed medications, surgeries, and treatments, I decided to give it a try & had my mind was changed. I'm not cured by any means, but a great balance between holistic & Western should be the goal. Don't know why people subscribe to the idea that you have to choose one or the other
Love hearing that! Because that’s what I do in my practice is be an adjunct to allopathic medicine which offers relief and wellbeing, especially in cases when the illness is seen as a “mystery” by allopathic medicine. I myself was there a few years ago and that’s what pushed me to study and learn alternative methodologies 💙 I think it’s mostly those of us who have been there that really get it!
they are debating about the method instead of debating about the science behind holistic products. most of the time (read almost always) those products are harmless and they have to be harmless in order to be legally sold as supplements but they are not required to prove the FDA or to the government that they have any healing or therapeutic effects; in order to do so they would have to undergo long and costly lab tests. So if someone says that holistic products have ANY therapeutic effect don't believe them cause that would be just their opinion
I generally agree with your comment, but I don't actually think, from what I know, that they have to prove they are harmless. Although it would depend on how they are classifying harmless. They have found trace and sometimes alarming amounts of stuff like arsenic or completely different ingredients than advertised in alternative medicine. And the concentration and dosage of stuff like pure eucalyptus oil can damage major organs pretty quickly. They don't have to prove that they are food grade (digestible) or skin grade (won't cause damage to your skin) in a lot of cases. "Not Approved by the FDA" warnings are super common. And essential oils that have an alcohol base can overdo it and cause problems as well. I have had my entire respiratory system burned out by oil that had too strong alcohol content (was forced to take stuff as a kid).
@@riversrhodell2359 ok, I am accustomed to a better standard cause I live in italy and our government is super strict about food, medicine and supplements safety. it's a shame that USA has such low standards
@@Michelrs Oh, I'm sorry I didn't really think through the fact that other countries have different systems either. That is definitely very interesting. I hope I didn't come off too strong in my original comment. I definitely agree with the majority of what you said and appreciate how you said it. Just wanted to add in a bit of what I know of, coming from America.
Rivers Rhodell this is super important to remember! Most "alternative medicine" products will have no effect beyond placebo, but some can be dangerous or have negative side effects. For example, a lot of "detox" procucts can cause stomachaches and stuff like that. A more severe issue is that some herbal/alternative products have ingredients (like activated charcoal, primrose oil, kava, and even melatonin) that can interact with people's medications in some potentially dangerous ways. Which is why its important to always ask your doctor before using alternative medicine!
*Kristine sits down onto chair* Me: "I wonder what she does?" Backstage: "Why did you go into the field that you're in?" Kristine: "It was my calling." *Yep she's the holistic healer*
@@mitzara25 nope. Some people are actually healers in real life. It is a calling. It’s something **others** can get in their life and it’s actually very good.
Universal healthcare doesn't remove private practice. I'm not worried about the people who have thousands of dollars to spend on a doctor visit SMH I'm worried about the ones who don't. Rich people can still have their Beverly Hills private practice. Don't pretend that *that's* the reason you don't agree with it.
Rachael Mow i could’t agree more. That’s how it is done in Turkey and even though the quality in the state hospitals are not that good, it’s good to have a medical service even you don’t have money
Exactly Finland has universal health and my family can afford private but we use both example I go to therapy once a week for free and spent 6 months in a psycward for free because the public ones are a lot better
Very sad to see how none of the doctors believed in universal healthcare. I am a doctor in Italy and I know that it works, here and in the rest of the world. If many people from the U.S. stopped being so narcissistic they could understand that just because they don’t have it, it doesn’t mean that it can’t work or that you get bad medical care with a “ social” system. It’s obvious ( and it has been proven) by looking at statistics and studies comparing healthcare quality and the population well being to see that private healthcare DOESN not mean better care. Of course it means higher taxes, but it has also been proven that actually it would end up being cheaper that what you pay with insurances. Extremely disappointed !
The US is 23 trilllion in debt... A government run healthcare system aka universal can cause massive ripples in the economy due to the fragility of said economy massive changes would need to take place that the US is not prepared for, you can't just wave a magic wand and boom free healthcare. Also Theo Dutra I'm glad you are wise enough to assume the reason somebody literally going into a field that saves lifes is only money that is extremely reasonable it's definitely not to help people suffering you are a mind reader definitely not a class A asshole assuming their intention and purpose based off a 14 minute video. Make sure to give that dirty greedy doctor the finger and put em in their place after saving you or you're family when in need in the future how dare they earn stacks FOR LITERALLY SAVING HUMAN BEINGS ON THE VERGE OF DEATH OR SUFFERING what assholes. Do you know anything about doctors or what it takes to become one or do you see a couple of bad apples and think the entire batch is bad? Seriously though it isn't easy being a doctor they have the highest suicide rate out of all professions imagine the stress involved in what they do, imagine trying everything you can on a patient somebody's kid and fail then you have to tell their family and friends you failed imagine the mental toll that takes after years. Imagine calling a cancer physician, hospital doctor and a psychiatrist greedy assholes on the internet because they don't have the same beliefs as you and make stacks, from a 14 minute video. I'm sorry but that's just offensive as a human being you're the asshole man. I'm sorry you don't make stacks in whatever the fuck you do assuming you have a job but damn you just set the bar so low, in a way I'm impressed. Sorry for the rant but you earned it and so much more even if you were trolling but I'm gonna hold back.
@@A_Bag_of_Potatoes and you think you get rid of the debt by less taxation? Tax is essentially what reduces debt. Just how having a universal healthcare would make less money go into the pockets of the rich who just hoard it, it would make the 99% have more money to spend and it would power the economy. Whats the point of money if its not in circulation and is being hoared by the 1%?
No offense but just because it works in a small country like Italy does not mean it would work in the United States. We have solitary states larger than you, a population far more spread out, far more diverse demographics of people who have different interpretations of what "quality care" entails, and a system that ensures everybody is treated. If someone shows up at a hospital in the US, we admit them and treat their condition, regardless of payment status, and this is something I think most people don't understand. We also have the most high tech hospitals in the world and (by FAR) contribute the most towards medical research out of every country in the world. Our average patient is far less healthier due to the average European patient, making the treatments far longer and more medications required. People use medical tourism to other countries to save on cost but people from other countries travel here and pay high prices for care they could receive in their country but choose not to. There are reasons for why things are the way they are, and while the system certainly has flaws, it is nowhere near as basic as you make it out to be nor can you really compare the US to European countries. It's comparing apples to oranges.
Ruth Williams well, look at it this way: doctors are resorting to ventilators as their main strategy, and what did that result in: 80% dead whom were using them in new york, didnt solve anything if you asked me 🤷🏽♂️, when it comes to covid-19, your best bet at beating it is by strengthening the very thing that attacks the virus, your immune system, by taking cod liver oil which provides vitamin D and A (which are very essential for immune function) and taking vitamin C with natural bioflavonoids as well as zinc. And if you ask me, thats neither holistic nor traditional western medicine
@@loke2860 babe if you're going to make an argument at least get your facts right. 10 million people did NOT die from COVID. the number is currently at 679K. second, it's very difficult to get a vaccine out this early but they're already conducting human trials. and most importantly, alternative medicine is useless in the event that a pandemic arises.
Just because universal healthcare is difficult, doesn’t mean it cannot be executed. It’s never been deemed a national health emergency or anything slightly as significant therefore the work, finances, nuisances, etc. to properly implement it is never sufficiently evaluated
The original comment is really funny to me, because as a minor, my parents did hold me and my brother back from going to the ER and the real doctor in favor of alternative medicine
I feel there should be a middle ground between doctors and holistic healers. They both have the same goal. And that is to HELP others be healthy or recover from illness
As a positive note, there are many polls out in America that shows the general public DOES agree with Universal Healthcare and really wanna push towards it. So we're getting there hopefully!!
angeninetytwo why are people so ignorant, a simple google search will show you that healthcare in the US is legally undeniable. So yes you do get a bill for the ER, but no you do not have to pay it and no there are no consequences. Medical debt IS NOT the same and any other debt.
Rebeca Jimenez i really hope we dont move that way. I rather enjoy the idea that i have a chance of getting better medical care by living in the US. Look at some statistics and you will see that emergency medicine in the US is the best in the world. Why? Because you get what u pay for....wait but you dont legally have to pay for it because medical debt is not regular debt
@@spetsnazttv6724 "A study has found about 63% of adults with medical debt avoided further medical treatment, compared with only 19% of adults who had no such debt"
It was not about her, it was about her friends and family. And I have heard about doctors pressuring the family of a person who just died into agreeing that he/she can donate their organs. But yeah, that happens because there are not enough people who donate their organs, because there are not enough people who trust western medicine.
@Fyrick24 Yeah, but most people don't really think about that before their death and at least in Germany we assume that the patient isn't okay with donating. You have to go out of your way to get your "Organspendeausweis" (which is basically a license for donating) and even with that the family left behind has to agree to the donation. Now: there is not that much time usually to donate those organs, meaning that doctors have to go to the grieving family who just lost a mother/father/brother/sister/child and persuade them to agree to the donation. And of course some people will feel pressured in that situation.
@@tychowozniaki9269 Or they had emergency removals of spleens or other organs and were unconscious when it was done to save their lives and the still living patients wake up and are resentful for some reason.
Love how that one guy was like "if it was so simple it would be done already." Canada,Britain,and almost all the other developed nations have proved that it does work. Just because your a doctor doesn't make you smart kids !
I know! Just pulled a catchall phrase from a comment section or facebook meme and went with it 😂. That statement is so fragile to facts and logic it's crazy!
Olivia B oh I didn’t consider that honestly but you’re right. my comment was my opinion from a Canadian standpoint. I know it’s not necessarily cheap or easy in other places.
Oh, do you have free healthcare in your country? That would be way too expensive for a lot of Americans, sometimes we can't even afford to go to one doctor depending on what the issue is
I don’t know everything, but I do know that people who provide a lot of the medication in America are greedy and horrible. They charge excruciatingly large amounts of money for many medications purely for the opportunity of making profit without taking into consideration that people legitimately need the services that only they are able to provide. Some companies are charging $150 for medication that cost them $10 to make. People are having to ration medications like insulin and dying because of it. Or they have to cross the border and go to Mexico and get insulin at a cheaper price. Don’t say ‘it’s not that easy’ to make healthcare a right when A LOT of the problems with accessibility to healthcare is simply the expense of it all. This is why people are risking getting to hospital in an Uber so they can avoid the $400 to $1200 bill for an ambulance. 🤦🏾♀️
please remember that doctors are not the enemy, the pharmaceutical companies are. doctors are there to take care of you and can’t control the health care system. fight the system not the workers.
@@giselleloredo54 Correction: "...that not all doctors..." There are doctors out there who very much will take money from big pharma to sell off products in peoples bodies they don't need. Vascular surgeons and unnecessary stents. Psychologists and their unnecessary pills. Or the Primary care nurses who work for clinics that get bonus for keeping the insurance bills down by a certain dollar amount. Big pharma may be the real problem yes, but there are plenty of advocates that would be hard pressed to bite the hand that feeds.
This is so crazy to me... as a European, I pay a little over 100$ a month, which covers a lot of my healthcare: dentist, GP appointments, specialised care at hospitals, and every surgery that is medically necessary. And I’m someone who doesn’t have a very healthy body so I’ve probably cost my insurance at least 50k.
@@Mindcrashed And if we need the ambulance we don't pay for it. It's so mind blowing that you have to pay for ambulance if you're in a emergency, like hallo, are Americans ignorant that we are all human with human rights? Are they so heartless?
I really wish they went a little harder on alternative medicine. Especially when the one lady talked about not vaccinating her child. I just wish they questioned the reasoning behind certain things
The doctor stating that there are so many moving parts to create universal healthcare that cannot be done, especially financially... There are multiple studies that show the US's current system costs more than to change. We would save 2 to 5 trillion after just the first 10 years. The 2 trillion estimate even comes from a libertarian, fiscally conservative study. The psychiatrist says we have a great administration system that others don't? The #1 cost of our healthcare is our administrative costs and it's inefficient.
This is going to be the calmest spoken arguments yet lol
Because the doctors have to remain professional no matter what in all situations. Everyone wants to sue a doctor. On top of that if you get in legal trouble for anything in the medical field practically all hospitals and most offices throw you right under the bus without thought. So they can't yell at or even come off as intolerant of stupidity like an Anti-vaxxer. Too much risk to not be a robot.
Also the medical field eats your soul tbh
Chelsea wow I never thought of that , thank you for that point of view
there wasn't even arguments between everyone. there were more discussions and coming from places of innerstanding rather than right and wrong.
maaayapapaya i know , I wrote these before watching the video , I loved it o
as a public health researcher, im honestly okay with holistic medicine, but only as long as it is paired with medical doctors as well. I also think we need some oversight to ensure we arent having people who are scam artists.
This is my exact thought process. Modern medicine is meant to cure physical ailments, Holistic treatments always seemed like a quality of life treatment or a spirit lifting procedure. Both of which are fine, its just there are situations where one is more appropriate.
Thankyou
*Hypno **_THERAPY_** is therapy, its not supposed to cure cancer lol*
Knowledge Is Key where are these numbers coming from?
That's exactly it. The herbalist isn't who you go to to fix a broken bone, they're who you go to when your acne flares up. My doctor does my bloodwork; my local woo-woo shop helps when it's a little tummyache.
if appropriately applied doesn’t matter what it is
and important to be informed
Everybody gangsta until they need emergency surgery.
True. I think holistic healthcare is amazing for certain chronic health conditions, or if you're someone who typically responds poorly to drugs (I have a liver disorder that makes taking most meds dangerous). But if you need to remove a tumor or you have a heart attack, you'd better see a regular MD. Everything has it's time and place.
Felipe Revuelta Foreal tho
nah just sniff some eucalyptus oil and go on your way x
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@@Goat.Cheese Couldn't have said it better myself.
I love how all the “holistic healers” think they know the nuances of becoming & being a medical doctor... It takes 8-15 years to become a board-certified Physician AFTER college. These guys study RELENTLESSLY for YEARS, literally, all to help serve the public. I encourage all “natural healers” to enroll in the classes that are prerequisites in order to get into medical school.. 1 year of inorganic chemistry, organic chemistry, biology, physics, biochemistry; all with labs.
Try learning the basic building blocks of medicine and in a year, I’d love to hear their take on all these questions being asked again.
Ryan Kelly Mate , herbalist or healers the likes have been here for thousands of years , not 250yrs ...none of them relying on western medicine, as for my family we do not rely on modern medicine and we are much healthier for sure , our uncle had cancer and wasn’t in terrible condition at all , he was still healthy and super active.went for check up in hospital and they suggested chemotherapy, four days later he was dead ! We are still shocked , that bloody chemotherapy had killed him ! Not his cancer..so ,Allopathic medicine only if I have broken bones , even that plenty of healers can put bones together without troubles or surgeries, Facts !
lita lucas Did it ever occur to you that the cancer killed him, because chemotherapy isn’t an instant cure. Also for those thousands of years when people relied on herbalism they only lived until their 40s or 50s on average and most children died before 18.
@@lololucas4031 people relied on blood letting your point isssssss.
We do take those courses, at least in Ontario, Canada
Lewis Guinn actually the average age was around 30 but if you survived child hood you live to your 70s and 80s
I’m not gonna call a ‘holistic healer’ instead of 911 in a medical emergency
mike but 911 will take your organs out
True true . Call a priest and pray :))
@@Noner1234 you're a wierd guy
@Ghost Kilzzz i think he was being sarcastic
neither do most holistic healers.
I truly believe in the placebo effect, so if some holistic things make you feel better or healthier, I think people should continue to do those things. BUT that should not come at the sacrifice of actual medical care or going against your doctors advice.
*Hypno **_THERAPY_** is therapy, its not supposed to cure cancer lol*
EDIT: guys, chill the fk out. It doesnt work for everyone, its basically placebo, and I meant psychotherapy.
Placebo effect can only do so much
@@giovanniherrera6037 They are saying that you should use both.
@@giovanniherrera6037
Hypnotherapists agree with you.
Knowledge Is Key would love to see your peer reviewed source for this :)
“My heart wasn’t in it.”
Well your heart isn’t going to be in it when you lose your child to a preventable disease.
Clorox Bleach fActs
Too harsh chill
@HappyBaker yet some people die from vaccines so it goes both ways
Michaela I looked and could not find any credible sources saying this is true. Even bad reactions to vaccines are rare and are caused by rare allergies.
@@maurifick7471 Well, since my mother almost died because of the flu vaccine, I can say that I don't trust vaccines. She was in the hospital for ten days, they have her steroids, her temp was 106F, and they couldn't help her. She lost her voice for over two months after she got out of the hospital.
As someone from a country with universal healthcare, I can't help but think some of them oppose it because it threatens their ability to become ultra rich. Opposing universal health care because VA offers low quality care and Beverly Hills doctors provide top notch care is *exactly* why universal healthcare works, it breaks down barriers. Americans pay more than any other country for worse care and it saddens me to see.
Exactly
Exactly. And its not like they dont have private hospitals in countries with universal healthcare
YES. I was actually surprised that only one person walked forward...the idea of universal healthcare has become increasingly popular with the American public (not like a decade ago when things were more mixed) but yeah, I think they all stand to lose money if the system changes. I also hate how the question was whether the US should have universal healthcare, all but one disagreed, but when they all sat down they were like "Well of course everyone should have access to healthcare, but..." and then did the whole song and dance about why it wouldn't work in the US. Whether or not adopting universal healthcare in the States would be difficult or complicated was not the question, whether or not we should have it was. And neither are questions anyway...of COURSE transitioning to universal healthcare will be hard for the US, but of COURSE we should still do it, for both humanistic and economic reasons.
Except care in America is much better than care in Canada. The problem is the people pay too much for it. Quality needs to be raised across the board and the government should take that hit.
This is coming from a canadian. Plus doctors get paid by the government anyway so they are becoming ultra rich as well
yup
disappointed they didn't ask harder questions- like "do you believe this stuff actually works" or "who would turn to in a life or death situation" or "do you believe the scientific method is the safest and most effective way to evaluate medicine and treatments".
because at the end of the day that's the difference between "western" (aka actual) medicine and "holistic medicine". science. when something is proven to actually work (like drugs, diet, and also practices like meditation) then it's considered medicine. not "holistic".
Meditation could literally be considered a holistic medicine
why western medicine, the medicine is worldwide.
Also just a sidenote. "when something is proven to actually work." What if the scientific medicine only works because it activates a holistic healing frequency? The current science doesn't understand their own proofs. So nothing is really proven through science. The superficial layer might be cured only through science, however the energy is where the true healing happens. Science will catch up this decade.
As an example Science believes Consciousness is a brain function. It's a force field created by the DNA in your whole body. Once science figure out this, we will have insane discoveries.
@@MasterKnutA Care to share any valid scientific experimental evidence for this or did you just read this off a blog or watch a youtube video for this information and believed it without a second thought.
"holistic healing frequency" frequency refers to the number of times something repeats in a given amount of time, usually a second and is measured in hertz. What about holistic healing is repeating?
And no there isn't some magical force field created by DNA. If so what kind? Magnetic field, electric field, gravitational, Higgs. Or are you just making this up with no confirmation whats so ever? DNA is literally just a chemical, what makes it so special that it gets its own field.
All science was "magic" at one point. Do not equate our universe to a machine. There is so much we do not know.
“I didn’t vaccinate my son because I didn’t feel it was right in my heart”
I-
Holly I wouldn’t be so quick to judge her. I had a feeling like that with my fourth on his first set of vaccines. And my gut was right. He had a bad reaction to the vaccines. It was traumatic. The thing is people need to understand not all vaccines or medications work for everyone. My other kids are all vaccinated but my little dude isn’t because of what happened to him at 3 months old. It really is scary and I hope they find a way to test whether someone will react badly to them or not
Gil M grats ms.psychic
@@lovel8558 Did I trigger you? lol
Gil M probably not but it seems like she triggered you
@@Hcamsd if u dont mind me asking, what was the bad reaction?
Do Africans vs African Americans next. There is historical tension between these two groups of people that's still present in some parts of America today. I think this would make a good Middle Ground Episode!!!!
Njieno/NJ Anom woah 😱 great idea, I’d love to see that one 👍🏽
Njieno/NJ Anom idk man it sounds good in principle but there’s a lot of hatred from both sides and it’ll make a lot of viewers (including me) upset
Big facts.... not just African tho any black person that’s not from America(Carribean, South American etc) Vs African Americans
To quote Aries Spears, "We don't like da black man in America. You don't work, you don't do sh*t, moodah fahkah."
african americans set the standard for the world. period.
Imagine using a personal experience to dismiss hundereds of years of accumulated science.
right? some people....
Am OK with that based on my experience to that duality
Thousands of years. Not just hundreds
Yeah the lady who said she has never had a positive experience with a doctor is just being silly. I mean every doctor she went to was racist? Every one? Sometimes people carry their expectations with them and it obscures their judgment I think. Modern medicine has benefited humanity in so many revolutionary ways. But we can’t dismiss the other side either because healers, shamans, witches, etc actually have a much longer history. They were the first doctors. A lot of that knowledge has been lost unfortunately. That doesn’t mean everyone who claims to be a healer or every remedy is going to work. I would say some of it is just wishful thinking but sometimes on a rare occasion, it is miraculous and goes beyond what traditional medicine is capable of.
You do know science is always always changing
And people have different experiences. Medicine also effects everyone differently.
I feel like this would be better if everyone was blinded in a way and couldn’t see who walks forward. Very clear in this episode that some people only walked forward because others did
Agreed.
Yes, it irritated me to no end watching them do that and just look around before doing something
Yea but they still end up sharing their opinion. Who walks up or not doesn’t really matter compared to what they actually have to say. If they stay or walk based on peer pressure, that can also be a source of information for us to see just how much conviction they have in that question
gizmo19351 mhmm maybe I also think not everyone has a jolt to the answer some people gotta sit on it lil longer, but I can for sure get behind making sure that voting part is blind in some way
I’ve known people who almost died from having parents who don’t believe in traditional medicine
for real. holistic "healing" is okay as a supplement to evidence-based medicine - if you got in a car crash and you think acupuncture will help the back pain IN ADDITION TO seeing an MD, then all the power to ya. but it breaks my heart when i hear about terminal cancer patients who go to those ~natural~ treatment centres in mexico when they stop trusting in western medicine.
Yeah my parents didn’t believe my protruding ribs and bad posture was an issue when I asked to go to the doctor. I grew up and learned I have scoliosis. Now I can’t wear a brace cause I’m too old for it to really help
Do you mean modern medicine??
and I know people who died from not seeking proper health
But the one lady didn’t want her kid to get the MMR🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Ellie why would she when she has essentially oils my dude
That one wasn't it
@@jamalabadi9149 lmaooo
Baith Abadi BAJHAOSNSJSHDIDI
The child seems to be doing fine judging from her maybe MMR is not for child out there
See, this is why they should be set apart with partitions when the questions are asked, turned backwards, and have only 5 secs to decide, because some people are only choosing answers based on others.
I'm glad someone pointed this out.
The blue suits episode.
Blue suit boys
Looks nice though !
lmao all i can think is
asian parents: be a doctor!
also asian parents: no pills only take this herbal drink and chicken finger soup
So true 😂😂😂
this is so accurate!! never related that much as much I've related to your comment in my entire life!
Ayyy its corona time
Jessie Lin in my department, we have a student who went to medical school and is a licensed physician in China, and came to the US to study immunology and cell biology to be a cancer researcher. One of her family members back in China has developed the same type of cancer she specializing with in research, and they refuse to take any of her advice and are only relying on ancient Chinese medicine such as herbs, acupuncture, and meditation. The sad part is, if they had taken her advice, the cancer likely could have been successfully treated, but are now likely terminal.
FACTS FACTS
Person: *gets in a car accident*
Holistic Healer: GET THE HERBS
Haha, you have some wit. But just so you know, that's not how it works if you are talking to anyone who is even halfway legit. Maybe don't base your opinions of real people on caricatures.
@@welshieranger4697 What I meant is that no legitimate alternative medicine practitioner would prescribe freaking herbs for a car accident. They'd tell you to go to the hospital like anyone else because they aren't idiots. My point is that there are different ways to treat different things. A legit holistic practitioner is not going to tell you that their treatments can solve everything and never to use western medicine. None of the people in this video said that and none of the doctors I have ever been to say that. You seem to have a caricature of what you think a holistic practitioner does in your mind and I am saying that it's wrong.
Might be the best thing. I was in an accident, was force to go to the hospital in an ambulance and kept against my will and charged over 10 thousand dollars when the only treatment I received was a drop of liquid bandaid. Would have preferred a nice cup of tea.
I very much believe in using herbs because they have helped me with several health issues. But I still go to medical doctors for issues as well and inform them what I am doing. When treatment and further tests are suggested by my medical doctor regarding anything, I do my research and I make the best decision for myself. Most of the time I do turn down medications, depending on what it is. Most meds I have taken in the pass have given me issues due to side effects. So if I can take an herb to do the same job without the side effects, then this is great. Not all herbalists/holistic healers think the same. Yes, I want to go to the emergency room if I am in a car accident. I think you all are being extreme thinking these people wouldn't want medical intervention if in an accident.
As apposed to.getting what, the morphine? I'm confused on this. Last I checked your body heals on its own, if you put in it what it needs.
As soon as she said she was anti-vax I couldn’t take her seriously I’m sorry
Ona don’t even apologize
I mean she won't live longer it's alright 🤣
Alpha Sierra and so are her children 💀
As soon as she had "holistic healer" under her name I couldn't take her seriously
@@abi2767 she probably will. I mean, sadly it's her children who are not getting vaccinated.
I'm so surprised that almost all of them were against universal healthcare! "you get what you pay for"- countries with universal healthcare still have private options for rich people. The base-line free health care is still amazing, but you can get fancy treatments or super quick treatment at private clinics. "There's a lot of moving parts"- yeah... same with the countries that have universal healthcare. But they still work. It isnt going to happen overnight, but it is doable. Its so wild that the US doesnt have universal healthcare...
America likes ritual sacrifices:
Sacrifice the poor for the benefit of the rich
If you look at most of the democratic candidates, their plans cut out private health care. So yes, other countries have universal/public as well as private, but the most of the USA democratic candidates pushing for universal health care will not allow private health care.
AsbestosLover666 All of them profit off the private sector. That’s why they support it.
Honestly it was pretty shocking/disappointing
@annaisabella100 in Germany, everyone is required to pay healthcare insurance but you can choose what you pay for (private/public) and there are some that specialize in chronic illness, elderly etc.
This video seems mistitled.
It's not holistic medicine that they are talkng about. It's "alternative treatments". Holistic refers to integrative treatment of the whole person (physical, mental, emotional, etc). These alternative healers are using the word "holistic" improperly, and it muddles peoples understand of holistic treatment, which refers to treating patients with medical treatment in hospitals/clinics in addition to stress-reducing therapies, etc (such as occupational therapy and psychotherapy to help with physical ailments). Medical professionals actually support holistic treatment (when the word is used properly).
I noticed throughout the video that the holistic healers very specifically avoided using the term "holistic medicine".
Well none of them said they were against the integration of western medicine as well as alternative healing. I dont think they expect people to go to them instead of medical physicians and doctors i think they just want to provide different ways of healing in certain areas.
Exactly. Your primary care team should be "holistic healers" in the sense they treat multiple aspects of health.
“holistic” is definitely one of the most misused words today.
@@eden5166 Agreed.
The guy with the blue blazer lost me at “life coach”
Lol which one 😅
My aunt died from cancer because she didn't take her medicine and instead resorted to alternative medicine :\
EDIT: she had breast cancer and it was caught at an early stage. She stopped taking her medication because she didnt like the way it made her feel (also she was very religious and thought praying + alternative medicine = cure) She would be alive today if she had just taken her pills and didnt resort to alternative medicine
I’m sorry for your loss. Same thing happened to Steve Jobs.
Marcie I mean, he had the disease from 2003 and died 2011. That’s 8 years.
She still going to died in hospital.. there more people died in hospital.. but people understand it because hospital still have it limit in curing people.. that why nobody complain
@@bregieirofernandes steven jobs will died early if he go to hospital
Sorry
As an ER nurse, I don't see how one community can entirely discredit the other. Holistic therapy might be what you need for pain management or combating the side effects of western medicine (nausea as a side effect from chemo, etc) as an adjunct therapy, but also holistic medicine won't do too much if you come into the ER with a stroke or heart attack. The beauty of the surplus of information nowadays is that people can pick and chose what works for them day to day but neither side should be looking down on the other profession.
Rebekah Childs exactly. And also I think of holistic medicine as more of a preventative measure to said illnesses.
I love how doctors are so open when it comes to alternative medicine and people who haven't had medical training are so quickly dismissive. Like, both of my parents are doctors and they both would rather give me some ginger tea with honey than a cough syrup...
Just understand there is a place for both
You need a balance for both and to know what areas to use each in. While alternative medicine can be used for more spiritual aspects of the body, mind, and soul medicine that doctors study for years is for superior when it comes to surgeries and other things physically. Like depression In most areas I think alternative medicine is better with that then just taking a pill. However, when it comes to cancer and virus you need doctoral assistance.
Finally, a comment that makes sense here. I agree, it's not vs. with the each side.
Can u knot? Aren’t things like cough drops made with herbs and other holistic things?
Why is everyone wearing a blue suit?!? Got me all confused, who’s who? 🤣
When a person wears blue you trust them more. They say to wear blue when you go for an interview. Google it it’s crazy
Yeah they say blue colour is lime a "trust colour" for brain. i winder how many of them did that on purpose and how many didnt though, if any, would be nice
My eyes! Send help
They crips cuH
Blue represents honesty, tranquility, and a sense of calmness.
There’s a deep problem when not a single medical professional steps forward for universal healthcare.
AGREED
Seriously… I was disgusted omg
I was so shocked to see that.
Its concerning indeed but I'd argue that we should take it with a grain of salt when talking about applying these perspectives onto the entire community. It's a very small sample size, like 3 people out of millions. I've watched documentaries where there are doctors, physicians and etc who argue for universal healthcare.
I deeply cannot understand this "but not in America", because in America, you have to pay your way out of cancer? But in Canada you don't? Where is the argument here? Where is the logic? Where is the compassion? Sounds like the propaganda has seeped in REALLY deep
ok. I was kinda shocked that only 1 person stepped up on the "I support universal healthcare" I guess its just an American thing.
They all live in america tho
@@alexarreola3801 yea thats whats shes saying
And everything that was said against it is just something they are mistaken about:
1. You don't get what you pay for. Theoretically, a universal healthcare should cost the average person more, yet America's costs are so high that no universal health care is more expensive to the average person when compared to America. And I don't mean similar costs that just barely put them over the edge, I mean American's are on average paying a multiple of 2+ more for their health care.
2. They aren't getting higher quality because they spend more. America's health care is frequently placed among the worst in developed countries.
3. It really is that simple which is why it's crazy to say it isn't. If every other developed country can figure it out, including so many that have a worse economy than the US, they should be able to figure it out as well.
Glad I don't live there.
Sadly, a lot of other Americans are heartless. Yes, I’m American myself.
I don't understand their responses against Universal Healthcare.
1. "You get what you pay for" is a very privileged position to have.
2. They should primarily consider people who cannot afford basic healthcare needs such as Insulin rather than "Beverly Hills folks" who won't get the "best" medical facilities. Both systems can coexist.
3. So the guy said he doesn't support UH because (he thinks) it's too complex to pull off in the US. What?
Rishabh Kumar yes to all of this!!!
seriously
preach!!!
I hated that answer of "there's so many other factors, if it was easy wed have done it by now" yeah no ones saying its gonna be easy or happen overnight but you don't wanna start the process now so we can have it in the future?
Rishabh Kumar say it louder for the people in the back! I am 110% behind the idea that everyone deserves access to healthcare. However, it really isn’t as simple as it seems. The population of the U.S. is exponentially larger than that of other first world countries like Canada and the U.K which are providing healthcare for approximately 20% of the people the U.S. would have to. We can get there if we have the right people in office, but it will take a long time. It’s extremely hard to socialize a country as large as 327.2 million.
“Cancer doctor physician”
So... an oncologist?
Lmao right? Glad I'm not the only one who thought that title was so weird. I mean a doctor and a physician are the same thing to begin with.
He might have just been speaking in layman's terms for the sake of the video and its intended audience. They encourage you to do so as a health care professional so the general population knows what you're talking about.
welpp but would the holistic healers have known? loll
kassafrass not everyone knows what oncology mean and some ppl aren’t brave enough to admit that🤷🏼♀️
If he claimed to be an oncologist these woo woo hustlers would treat him like they treat other science concepts and ingredients they can't pronounce. With fear and smugness mixed into one
“Im a cancer doctor.” Who told him he can’t say his proper professional name?
Katy Out n About right? It’s not difficult to say
I guess the term oncologist is just too abstract for people's small brains lol
well, medical students are taught not to use medical terms toward people who aren't in the same field. it's to avoid possible confusion.
I know the word oncologist because one of my loved ones has cancer. There's nothing wrong with saying "oncologist, I work with people who have cancer"
what's wrong with the term cancer doctor tho? saying it that way will make it easier for more people to understand.
Who’s here before Dr. Mike posts a reaction to this?
Me, ward
I’m hoping he will.
mee
Spam him with it 😂
me
As soon as that lady mentioned she was anti-vax, she completely discredited herself lmao
To be honest, not all vaccinations are created equal, and most people are already in poor health and in a weak metabolic and immunological state. Vaccination is nuanced
@@memefeed2147 No, that's not how anything works. The majority of people are not "already in poor health and in a weak metabolic and immunological state". Furthermore what the fuck does weak metabolic state have to do with a vaccine? Like their hyperthyroidism is going to affect the vaccine effectiveness? You need to understand the risk and reward ratio before making comments like these.
@@aggressivelyamicable5987 perhaps the flu vaccine is one that is not super effective/neccecary but the woman was referring to the MMR vaccine, that one is CRITICAL.
It's funny and sad 98% of you bashing her for not getting her kid vaccinated don't even know what's in vaccines.. Go read the inserts then come give your opinion Common sense over " science"
@@kaitlynnrichter4455 I've read the inserts and studied the science behind it in university - I'll take my lifesaving vaccines over a resurgence of measles, thank you very much.
“I don’t think I’m appreciated coming in as an informed person” bruh it’d be like you watching one documentary on the Pyramids of Giza and then lecturing an Egyptologist
Just because she thinks she's informed, doesn't mean she is. But if she has the attitude of thinking she knows better than a professional... I wouldn't appreciate her either.
She probably meant that she comes in informed about her specific chronic illness. After seeing multiple doctors and doing her own research on symptom management it would make sense that she was more informed about her illness and body than a general practitioner who hasn't heard about their condition before.
For example, I was diagnosed with POTS by a cardiologist. I've seen dozens of doctors who when I tell them my diagnosis they go: "what is that?". In that case, I come in as an informed person. Some doctors appreciate that, and others don't.
Kirsie Lundholm yeah but what happens after you tell them what your diagnosis is? Do they just say ‘well I haven’t got a clue what you’re on about so I’ll just let you decide what’s best’? Yes not every GP is going to know every disease and how to treat it but that’s not necessarily their job. They are called *general* practitioners for a reason, they haven’t specialised in a certain area so wont know how to treat every problem they face. Their job, if they can’t treat your problem, is to send you to a specialist in that area, not let you take your health into your own hands, which is what this woman seems to want to do. So yes you may be more informed on specific diseases that you personally have, but they have access to your medical records and can very quickly and easily decide, based on their years of professional training, how best to proceed, whether that’s to prescribe you something there and then or to send you on to someone with specific training in that field.
I actually laughed out loud
@@fekinuhhh3495 Yeah, if I go to a family doctor and tell them about my bone disease, they may not know. However, if I take that same information to an orthopedic doctor, they'll know right away. A family doctor is there to give you general diagnosis' they have a bit of training in everything. If you take your condition to a specialist then they would more than likely know what it is, how to treat it, and any methods to alleviate the symptoms.
"You don't get to use the word miracle" Being a doctor doesn't mean abandonment of beliefs in a higher power that grants miracles, it just means studying and applying scientific methods because you have accepted that you have no supernatural powers to heal your patients.
Very well said.
Thissss
Don't worry, there are no higher powers that are not physics.
I have much respect for his restraint on his response. I wouldn't been able to keep my cool like him. She also lost any smidge of respect I had for her with the comment.
“Don’t always trust your doctor, they don’t know everything” True, but they have at least 12 years more education than you
Basix same thing how parents say “how can i trust this doctor that has seen my child for 15 minutes when i see it for my entire life” well... doctors did indeed go to school... you don’t have to be with a child 24/7 to diagnose their problems 🤦🏽♂️ if you don’t trust the doctor don’t go to the doctor simple as that
There's a difference between having knowledge and using it though. The rates of misdiagnosis or outright dismissiveness are alarming. There are great doctors out there, but there are terrible ones too.
@@aelinluna3434 source ?
True, but I've had 40 years of experience with my chronic illness, which I can guarantee you is more than any doctor who is not a specialist. And even then for almost the first 18 years of my life, your average doctor didn't believe it was a "real" disease.
@@Bhilithinn I get holistic car repairs.
To say doctors know everything is just over glorifying them BUT I’ll still trust a doctor over a holistic leader.
i heard if u combine crystals & modern medicine u will live 4ever
crazy
Lol😂❤️
Seems legit
I’ll believe it only bc you said it 😜
😂😂😂
Universal Health care is great and not as impossible as it may seem. Here in Germany, it works absolutely fantastic. If you do not know, what needs to be done for a working health care System, ask countries which already have one.
*fantastic
@@welikelethabo sry, german autocorrect
@@DarkSoul-uh5ic it’s okay💕
Germany has a significantly lower population
@@JNB0723 Geez, always finding excuses 🙄
I'm on both sides, when I'm n a cold a like ginger and tumeric in a lemon tea with some Advil🤷🏽♀️......but for more serious things visit your doctor I necessary I mean you guys we have machines that can detect things we cannot see and maybe save our lives 💯!
MAL Cc same, if it’s something simple like a cold I use home remedies from my family (they work) but if it gets serious the doctor should be involved.
You know lemon sip is placebo
Ginger & Lemon Tea has plenty of Vitamin C and other Minerals that “medically” help you with a cold. It’s not something that we do not use as physicians.
You’re literally still managing yourself in the way physicians do.
@@Ahmed-pf3lg only if you are already deficient
I agree. I don’t go to the doctor unless it’s something serious, or just to check and see that’s it’s not something serious.
"You get what you pay for" say that to the families of the 45,000 people who lost loved ones annually because they couldn't afford healthcare
If everyone got healthcare for free there could be even more deaths...
Hovsep Khachatryan its sad that its physicians who are saying that. We have universal healthcare in Canada and its working just fine and were just 36 million vs 400 millions in the usa. It would work even better there
s w you are proving your own point. 36 million vs 350 million, we in the US have 10 times the population size it would be incredibly hard to implement universal healthcare without spending $60 trillion dollars and putting ourself into even more debt
George Missailidis and why is that, exactly? I mean you should be challenging that course of thought a little. Why is the US in so much debt? What areas is the US spending most money to? Who and where does the debt come from? Is it fair to deny universal healthcare because of debt while still funding certain things? Are US citizens really that valuable for the government if healthcare is swept below the carpet while simultaneously dropping billions into other things that have no real benefit for the people?
Can we see the unedited version of the section about universal healthcare? That was a very weak justification from the people who disagreed?
Ikr “you get what you paid for” what kind of privilege response is that? 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
yes, their excuse was "it won't be easy to do/would be complicated"...? Like what? So because it won't be easy they think it should not happen? Do they not realize you can have quality universal healthcare that is accessible to everyone and still have have privatized health care where people who are willing and able to spend more money can choose to go to for treatment? Same way there are public schools available to every student free of charge that offer quality education but if you can afford it and want to you can send your child to an expensive private school. Or am i over simplifying this?
I think it's because the doctors know they'll be paid less in a universal healthcare system, but obviously they aren't going to publicly admit that
Social healthcare programs in the US have a history of being the worst. Anyone who has studied that here would immediately understand why it would not be good or take a lot of sacrifices that Americans aren't willing to do.
@@emil5111 You're already taking the sacrifices of the lives of the poor
Americans: Our country is the land of opportunities for every citizen!
Also Americans: Universal Healthcare is possible in other countries but completely impossible here because we're... Americans...?
Because someone else shouldnt have to pay for someone elses medical bill
@@kaylie8486 That's what you say until you need an expensive surgery.
@@AlexCab_49 My spouse has had expensive surgery and at no time did we feel like anyone else was responsible for paying our bill. Expecting/demanding others to take care of your responsibilities is just asinine.
@@AlexCab_49, So the mailman shoulf be paying for you bills huh?
@@ClockworkWyrm no it's not, it's called being a decent human being and making sure that everyone is able to get said surgery if they need it :)
I'm shocked, as a Canadian, that Kristine basically said that you pay for the level of care you receive. It is a basic human right to have access to health care and I'm so shocked that these people in the field of health care wouldn't want to provide the best care for everyone, despite the amount of money they pay. I get that it's a money and policy issue, but so many other countries make it work and are ergo happier on the UN World Happiness Report. US has fallen because of a growing divide amongst the rich and poor. 🤷♀️
Other countries are different than America. In theory you would think it would work so easily, but in reality it wouldn’t work so great in America at least in the first couple of years.
@@nyx1616 why then please explain to me why that is exactly
nicol you also pay for the level of care you receive in Canada. You get better doctors and more time will be spend on you, get more test done on you if you have a private insurance.
I know Canadians who say their health care sucks because it’s free. Takes forever to get service/help. Broke your arm? Could take a few days to see a doctor
@@RonjaBock
Putting the level of care aside there is more to universal healthcare than just that. One if not THE leading cause of debt is in healthcare costs. Also about 30 to 40 thousand people die because of lack of health care. And not to mention that is saves money. Right wing groups like to fear monger about the cost and while yes it will cost 32 trillion over 10 years the most conservative cost of what it is now is 34 trillion dollars while on some accounts as high as 40 trillion.
*Cancer Doctor Physician* Jesus Christ the WORST descriptor! why does the psychiatrist not have “mental health doctor physician”
Oncologist is scientific jargon. Most people can reason psychiatry being of the mind. Theres people who also dont speak English who watch these videos
@@enterusername2855 Nah. If that was the case, "Cancer Doctor" would suffice.
Fizzy Bizzy Yes, I see how it sounds kind of redundant. My guess is that not all doctors are physicians. Physician clarifies that this person is a medical doctor, not a person who has a doctorate degree( PhD)
these might be the job titles the people themselves provided
@@enterusername2855 Yeah, but then if thats why they did it, then that completely negates the point of avoiding scientific jargon. Most people have no idea of the difference between a doctor physician and a doctor, i bet more know what oncologists compared to that lmao
“What do you call alternative medicine that works?”
“Medicine”
Yes, I'm very surprised none of the doctors mentioned this. But I guess they didn't really ask the question. Traditional "western" medicine is meant to be holistic. Unfortunately, it often isn't, but something being natural or preventative doesn't mean that it's not part of western medicine, the field of medicine encompasses all treatments that are found to work through empirical evidence, whether that be yoga or synthetic medications. The "holistic" practitioners are actually practicing alternative medicine.
I see you, Minchin fan.
This is my thought! Like if it works, why would science NOT be utilizing that? The idea of medicine is that they do everything they can to find PROVEN and undeniable drugs to help fight symptoms or something. It’s not like doctors completely throw out anything that wasn’t made in a lab. Otherwise we wouldn’t have a lot of current medicine. If it works and it’s proven to work, it gets used by doctors. That’s how the scientific method works lol the only issue is that they have to be able to repeat the results for it to “work.” Medicine that is proven to heal people is just medicine. It only has a different name when it can’t be replicated consistently
Illegal drugs, can't afford same stuff from US pharmacies
@@PtylerBeats well technically mediation can relieve stress
Something I love about some Asian countries is they utilize both modern medicine & ancient/holistic practices. Definitely, there are herbs out there or daily lifestyle habits that can improve health... but it's not panacea. Modern medicine isn't perfect either, but it's highly regulated & operates under scientific consensus. Utilizing the best of both worlds makes sense.
Asians also live the longest
Specifically Japanese.
Yeah same in Europe
Middle ground fallacy
Agreed
Nope
I feel like both are valuable. I relate to holistic care when it comes to my mental health and making my body feel good (digestion, skincare, energy etc). I don’t want to feed my body with man made medications for things like that. But if I came down with some terrible illness, or had a medical emergency, I 100% would choose a hospital with trained professionals to save my life by all means necessary.
Exactly. Holistic health for mental health. Some jasmine tea or lavender oils isn’t going to cure a bacterial infection. There’s a time and place for all practitioners wanting to spread health and wellness to the population.
*Coronavirus outbreak*
Holistics: *hold my essential oils*
As Geralt of Rivia elegantly put it. It's essentially rubbing salve on a tumor. Faith can be good, as long as you have common sense in the equation. God isn't gonna solve all your problems.
Love that
Fool Slayer or as anyone with something between their ears would say ‘Natural Selection’
Michael J actually a few cases have been healed by colonial silver, so....
Modern medicine hasn't found a cure or vaccination for Corona virus either yet. Preventative medicine and increasing the immune system is the best medicine currently.
9:23 As a Canadian it is shocking to me that only one of them stepped forward.
Agreed. I find it crazy that a lot of Americans don’t support UHC. Even though we all pay for it through taxes, I could not imagine someone who needs serious medical attention to be footed with a tens-even hundreds-of thousands dollar medical bill after. That’s absolutely wild to me.
@@mc_xtreamer7012 That would make taxes go up ALOT! Like alot alot
@@kaylie8486 A universal healthcare system is actually cheaper than our current one
I've lost hope for Americans. We elected Trump and now we have Trump going against Biden, a man with dementia. Yes, I've no hope at all for my.fellow citizens.
Long time a ago I wanted to live in the US now I don't even want to visit lol
Can ya do psychologists vs emotional/ spiritual/ mental healers? like psychologists who diagnose + treat patients with psychotherapy, cognitive therapy, and medicine vs healers who treat patients through healing modalities such as reiki, meditation, and shadow work, among other things.
You don't need their healers, you need their patients. The result won't be what you are expecting.
I like how everyone talked in a respectable and kindhearted manner, this is how it should be.
agreed, baked potato
i have so much respect for the doctors, i would have been GOING OFF as soon as karen started talking about vaccines lmao
It would be more entertaining if they weren’t though
Only one person supports universal health care?! As a Canadian living in the UK, that makes me so sad. To the doctor who said that it isn't that simple, most 1st world countries have a form of universal health care except the US. It is simple but you have to want it and I don't think the US wants it.
The US doesn't want the poor to be able to survive lol
Completely agree with you as a Canadian it was disgusting to see how blinded the U.S. is in regards to free healthcare. People r dying simply for not being able to afford basic care or their medicine, it has effected people so much i see them coming here or to mexico all the time just to buy the same medicine at a livable cost. And the 1 doctor saying it isnt easy even though he wants it then list hopital cost is exactly the mentally thats a problem when clearly facts have shown it is that easy becuz its available in most 1st world country, a human life should not have a price ever and they need to realize their system is broken
There is so much misinformation about healthcare and health insurance in the U.S. that has poisoned the well. Thank god for Bernie, he's really shifted the overton window on universal healthcare
@@jacquiec01 It's not free healthcare. It's universal. That's a difference. Because we do pay for our universal healthcare with the taxes we pay.
That's, I believe, one of the biggest problem with why the US doesn't like universal healthcare. Many people think it's "free" and think that people are too entitled and just want free stuff etc. when in actuality it's financed using tax money, so it's not really free. It's everyone working together so that everyone can get healthcare, no matter who they are.
Monica B okay yes. I live in the US and it angers me to see only one single person supporting it. Basically, they’re saying they don’t care about everyone’s well being because it’s too “complicated.” I can’t believe how people from my own country don’t even care..
Me as an European when almost no one moved when they said “I believe in universal healthcare”: 👀
Yeah it was very much disgusting to see this
I’ve heard from a few Canadians that they have long wait times and the doctors don’t seem to care as much as the doctors here. They’ve had to go back for the same thing multiple times because they’ve been rushed out the door. Have you seen this in your country?
Nicholas Sides public healthcare is not perfect, there are lines and there are waiting lists, but your regular “family doctor” (idk how to say that in English) is free: you are sick, you need meds, you can go there and being visited and you don’t pay.
More importantly: if you hurt yourself very badly and you need to go to the hospital you can call the ambulance and they bring you to the hospital and heal you and you don’t have to pay. You don’t have to pay for insuline for diabetes and most meds for serious illnesses are free or partially free.
If you need for example to be visited quickly there is plenty of places where you can pay and be visited almost immediately and the majority of people uses them, but it remains the fact that if you fall and break your leg and you are in atrocious pain you don’t have to think about not calling an ambulance because it will cost you thousands.
Public and universal healthcare in Europe goes along with private healthcare, is not a perfect service but at least no one is left behind.
@@gemsix876 yes, it does happen in germany, too. The system is not perfect and private insurances are better than the public ones. Still, no one who is registered has to fear the bills their children may have to pay in the hospitals more than dying of something that could be taken care of.
Nicholas Sides of course everything is subsided by taxes that we pay but they are proportionate to your wage, medical surgery or meds can cost hundreds of thousands and I think it is cool that we all pay less and we pay for everyone. It is not perfect but at least I don’t have to collect a debt because I broke some bones
Very disappointed that none of the doctors support Universal Healthcare
11:35 “if it was that simple it would be done already”
That’s really the point, there’s a complexity to universal healthcare and they know better than anyone how complex it is especially in a large country like the USA
It honestly blew my mind none of them did.
Here in the UK it is the greatest thing this country has ever done. Speak to anyone from the UK they will tell you the same. That includes almost every healthcare professional. Unless of course they are private doctors who just want money.
It also took me aback. The guy explains it well, but it's something you wouldn't expect coming from a health practitioner. They know how complex it is since they do this for a living, but it's a very harsh reality. I'm from Latin America where universal healthcare does exist, but the quality is not the best... So far you can't have both.
The one in blue was down for integration and doing ones own research
@@alexalonzo4070 ok I know a lot of doctors in the US who support universal healthcare and they also understand the complexities of the healthcare system? It isn't impossible and even if it actually was impossible I think they shouldve stepped forward out of principle
“cancer doctor” why tf aren’t they saying oncologist eye- ???
lexi styles7 probably to make it more easier for people to understand I’m sure there are skme people out there who wouldn’t know that an oncologist is a doctor who specializes in cancer treatment
I didn’t know what an Oncologist was, never had to deal with one. Probably should have said “I’m an Oncologist - a cancer doctor”, but it doesn’t matter that much.
@@joyamarie3542 but they use the term "internist" for the other doctor and I feel like thats a lesser used term than "oncologist"
Everyone on this channel is actors lol.
I'm joking, but that is sus as fuck.
Nicholas Sides that’s true but tbh idk why they did maybe the doctor himself calls himself that cause maybe he works with kids? Idk
USA: Universal healthcare is good in theory but it's too much of a complex and difficult concept to realistically achieve it
Europe: Idk works for us
The only challenge is that practitioners want to continue making obscene amounts of money. They don't want to give up the wealth or prestige. To be a doctor in most countries is a middle class endeavor. Americans like their rock star status.
@@jrandall1131 I am ignorant in this topic. But I have a question. Within universal health care, can you not open a private practice that charges what they charge now?
@@goodrose4734 I can tell you that a number of european countries have private healthcare too.
@@Tinky1rs so not everyone is obligated to use the universal healthcare?
@@goodrose4734 Obligated? No sir. In my experience everyone uses public healthcare first off as it's cheaper or free. If the case is complex or they want xyz (own room, nearby, surgery in a week vs a month) they might opt for private clinics.
I love how she said “there is a time and place for both types of care”... I totally agree.
bruh do u see the cost of medicine?! universal healthcare is a damn human right not a privilege. No one ever complains about the military budget.
lol ‘fire her paediatrician’ fam I don’t think she wanted u as a client anymore 😂
it sounds like she was the boss of the pediatrician
If I was a paediatrician I wouldn't want an unvaccinated child around the other children I care for
My daughter's pediatrician straight up says in their intake forms that they don't tolerate parents who don't vaccinate. If that's you, leave right now.
@@ghillies4life fr, they're just being responsible
Lapinporokoira or near me either! i would let them know im don’t tolerate anti-vaxx so dot bother
the psychiatrist had a very calm composure, you can tell he's a good critical thinker.
kurisu he’s a shrink 🤷🏽♀️
Just because someone believes in holistic health care, doesn’t mean that they can’t simultaneously believe in modern western medicine. I believe they both have their place. One is more for extreme medical conditions and treatments, while the other is for more preventive health and non life threatening illnesses.
For example: Do I want western medicine to treat my psoriasis? No, because the drugs and wide variety of treatment options I have tried that the dermatologist prescribed caused other side effects. However, did I want a holistic health care provider when I broke my ankle? No, I wanted the bone set and to be mended properly.
True and the thing is like what they said in the video, they can learn things from each other. The one thing holistic medicine succeeds overall is that they provide better consultation sessions as a whole. The problem with modern medicine is that there is a lack of attention in providing better consultation sessions, especially when patients aren't that communicative. Testimonies from patients provide a significant amount of diagnostic value for the doctors (especially when seeing your general physicians).
As for holistic medicine there needs to be some form of regulation and organisation, such as its own self-regulatory board for its various disciplines in that it can't be used to take advantage of vulnerable people.
you said this so well!!
nail on the head. both complement each other.
This
there's no place for witchcraft in healthcare
This group was so open minded and respectful, I think these two types of medicine working together is the best way to cure or improve diseases, I'm glad they were comprehensive of each others practice and viewpoints
I love russian
When someone says they’re a lifecoach, you know where it’s at
What even is that we don’t have those😂
“I believe the other side takes advantage of vulnerable people”
I WOULDVE RAN UP TO THOSE CHAIRS. I can not stand alternative medicine for that very reason.
Lol but crooked ass big pharma is totally ok? 🤦
@@joannamonique707 at least it actually helps people
Mega Droid the Joanna girls is nothing but a conspiracy nut big pharma doesn’t exist it’s just people that think their special because there different
@@yedhuur7041 DUDE, the leading cause of deaths is modern medicine. About 250000 die of pharma medicine in the US every year.
as if traditional medicine is not abusive specially towards ppl who have cancer making they pay hundreds for treatment and sometimes they don't even have the right approach and treat ppl as merch. I know two ppl who had cancer one of them the doctor said in her face that there was nothing he could for her anymore. She had to rely on alternative medicine as her only hope and it's getting better. In the other case the person already believed in alternative medicine and she go straight to them and she is now cancer free and guess what? Her doctor didn't charge her anything for appointment.
Whoops, too early.
I'll come back when the comments are done cooking.
Tebogo, where are the iZangoma
Sade was the only one stepping forward at the universal healthcare prompt and I'm still in shock.
Gaia the other people had excellent points.
I know Canadians who said it takes forever to get help. Broke your arm? Could take about 3 days before you see a doctor
Ariana _ I’m from Canada and our system is fucked if you need surgery you’re put on a waiting list that can be a year wait
Me too. I thought all the medical practitioners would be in favour of it for sure
I live in Europe and I'm also a med student. Yes, long waiting lists are a huge issue and state funding is never enough. I work with physicians every day and everyone here is complaining about the system, however these are medical professionals talking about fundamental human rights... Maybe it's a matter of colture, I don't know, it just sounds unbelivable
It’s a very toxic American mentality. It’s profit over everything else.
There´s no such a thing as "conventional" or "western" medicine. If it´s been studied, measured, tested, proved and it works then it´s medicine.
Eh. No. Its a completely different system. Thats like saying all languages are english because they serve the same purpose.
@@bighaneul89 No, because you can't measure the effectiveness of a language or prove that it "works" better than other, which you can totally do with medicine.
@@bighaneul89 The stuff that works (and is tested fairly to check) is medicine. The rest is placebo and taking advantage of the vulnerable.
Western medicine... with literal roots in central Asia.
Conventional/ western medicine= giving out synthetic pills.
Sade : “I know a lot of people that .....”
Even more Sade : “I know a lot of people ...”
_Very interesting topic..._ I mean, science and medicine have their shortcomings simply because humans have shortcomings... I don’t think that holistic healing is anything other than a placebo effect, a psychological therapy. So, I suppose it could help. BUT, do NOT replace it with or think it is superior to the actual science and medical field.
That can be detrimental to one’s health. I am enjoying this episode though! Great job as always Jubilee!
*Hypno **_THERAPY_** is therapy, its not supposed to cure cancer lol*
@@knowledgeiskey1319 Stop making up numbers.
Knowledge Is Key are you talking about therapy in general or psychotherapy?
Some holistic healing is more than placebo, such as diet and exercise to reduce cholesterol or blood sugar in type 2, or mindfulness therapy for depression. But even the placebo can be just as, if not more effective in some cases. There have been some interesting studies related to arthroscopy in knees. Those who thought they had the procedure recovered faster and had longer positive outcomes than those who actually had it. We often under estimate the power of the mind in healing. All of that being said, I'm not going to take lavender oil for strep throat and my children are vaccinated.
When only one person walked up for universal healthcare that genuinely infuriated me
And when that one person was one of the holistic healers, and none of the doctors, that surprised and confused me. I thought all doctors and no healers would walk up.
Im not for universal health care to be honest
@@UrskogTrolle same
It’s probably not that they don’t believe in it they just don’t think it’s realistic that it would actually happen
MySoulHasLeftTheGroupChat many of them also have hundreds of thousands of dollars in med school debt. if we had universal healthcare they wouldn’t be making as much money as they currently do. if there was universal healthcare, there has to be student debt forgiveness
I feel both holistic and western medicine can coexist, no problem. If I have a headache or a cold I’ll turn to home remedies, but if there is a serious problem and I need surgery , antibiotics or anything of the sorts I’ll obviously take it. Especially in the US where a lot of people can’t get medicine because of their messed up system , I find it completely natural that people will find their own ways to treat themselves when they don’t have different options.
That's the problem. People that sale herbs exeggerate what they can do
No, they cannot. If a home remedy has been proven to be effective, then that is "western" medicine. If it has not been proven, then any effect that you feel after taking it could be the placebo effect. You must also consider the potential risks of taking home remedies that are not proven to be safe.
They should specify that this is about American medicine as opposed to "Western" medicine. The way the USA has a system where medical industry lobbyists influence government policy, and that money is the primary driver for care, the pitfalls of American medicine differs massively from that of other western nations
It's a good and bad thing. Because of all the money that's in the American medical industry. A lot of new products/cures/techniques comes from America. But we are gouged with expenses while the rest of the world gets these new innovations from us for almost free.
Also we aren't forced to pay for healthcare until we actually get healthcare. I've not needed to go to the hospital in 5 years and I haven't spent a dime in medical bills.
We have the highest survival rate on Earth for disease we doing ok. Better than waiting years to receive blood work in Canada
@@brettkelly4575 "Life expectancy at birth in the U.S is lower than comparable countries. In 2017, U.S. life expectancy was 78.6 years, compared to an average of 82.3 years for comparable countries."
im sure theres a lot more at work here than your healthcare system alone, but don't be delisional..
There’s like 37 horrible concepts to unpack here
Herbalist: herbs are good.
Marijuana dealer: yupppppppppppp
All of America will get stoned legally by 2050 👌
I mean marijuana is helpful for many conditions like epilepsy, chronic pain, nausea, etc. so I don’t see where the sarcasm is coming from.
bhad bhabyyy my comment was directed at the OP, not you.
As someone who has had experience seeing a holistic functional medicine doctor, they make it very clear on when western medicine is needed and when actual medical doctors should be involved. Very silly to read the comments saying "car accident, not gonna call a holistic healer", yeah duh. Of course you're not and they wouldn't either, but if your suffering from a long term illness that you have yet to be helped, highly recommended to seek other options such as functional medicine. Work on getting to the root of illness and start from there, instead of just continuing to mask symptoms with years of prescriptions and not heal the root cause.
yes i agree! well said!
Do you believe that Western medicine does not try to remove the cause of a disease but only treats symptoms?
Exactly!!!! Finally a comment that makes sense!
Except there is no legal obligation or structured guidance of any kind for people in the field. They can say and do pretty much whatever they want. Your provider might refer you to evidence based modern medicine when they fail, others will not and don't and receive no repercussions when their patient dies. Doctors get investigated.
Exactly!!! 👏🏽
Whats the first thing that comes to mind when I hear the word Holistic Healer you ask ? Umm Placebo
whats the first thing you think of when you see 5dollarshake
@@brihoe4393 5DollarShake is a Pulp Fiction reference
5DollarShake **nothing**
Why do americans think it's impossible to have universal healthcare??? We have it in my country and my contry is a shitshow
I’m from Canada, but when you’re countries always had it, it’s a lot easier to implement small changes, but when you’ve always been privatized, it costs ungodly amounts of money. The best Medicare for all plans as of right now cost 52-70 trillion dollars within 10 years. It’s also significantly worse care, because the doctors will be making less money, therefore performing worse, or not even going into that field in general. Here in Canada we are having a huge shortage of physicians and family doctors, because most people are training to go into privatized fields like laser eye surgery, where they will make more money.
Krista Star if you think history can brainwash people, then you’re a bit slow
Isaac Stop we didn’t always have it though. Tommy Douglas couldn’t give it to Sask universally in 1946, but he did cover the majority of the province. Louis St. Laurent funded the HIDSA funding 50% off programs by the provinces who implemented them. Pearson saw how great the Sask program was and enacted the MCC in 1966, but it wasn’t until 1984 that we got the CHA that effectively made it universal. The US can easily do the same as the price for universal Medicare is cheaper than what the US currently spends.
Also a big part of Canada’s MD shortage is because 19% of Canadian med school graduates are Americans who go back home to work. Why don’t we approach it like the military? “Sure we will educate you, but you owe us 5 years in return.” That would lessen our shortage instantly and potentially have some MDs stay indefinitely
Maybe we just don’t want a shitshow here.....
@@Choose2Connect Is not a shitshow because of that. And we also pay to have a better healthcare than the free healthcare available. But at least if you break a bone and you don't have insurance you don't end bankrupt or with a huge debt for life.
“If Universal healthcare was simple we would have done it”- What is this guy talking about? We don’t have this system not because it’s so very complicated that there are no possible ways to implement it and have it work but because insurance companies keep lobbying our senators and congress people to support them. No one is saying that a transition from our current system to a socialized one will be smooth and perfect but the end result will be more beneficial for everyone in the long run rather than a handful of people. You can still get the fancy, Beverly Hills clinic, it just means other won’t have to die due to lack of care. I was very disappointed to hear doctors, especially the cancer doctor be against that. How many patients does he get who can’t afford their treatments and either die or go bankrupt?
Well said.
these are not doctors, these are mercenaries
I personally think that any doctor against universal health care is in violation of the hypocratic oath. Our current system does an immense amount of harm and being okay with the status quo because you think it will be hard or because you want your Beverly Hills payout is disgusting.
Exactly! Huge "ok boomer" moment there.
I would much rather pay my insurance company to get access to fast medical treatment instead of being placed on a waiting list for months.
Why do so many Canadians head to the US when they need chemotherapy or have a rare life threatening diseases?
If you see the numbers between deaths from illness country to country, you will see the US does substantially the best at curing compared to free healthcare systems.
I feel like holistic and medical healing can coexist
i agree
no
Exactly.
When holistic medicine doesn't work; actual medical medicine will be there to save you 🙃
@@Quanic2000 Many "actual" medicine can give you side effects. Medicine is medicine, western medicine doesn't default to actual
@@KageumiUmikage so what eradicated smallpox; essential oils or vaccines?
As an Asian, it's interesting to see the tension between two styles of medicine in Western country.
The combination of Western medicine and holistic medicine is sooo normal here, even obvious.
Asian moms make their children drink western pill with herb juice all the time lol
Dũng Nguyễn Lol yes. Asian 🤣🤣
Yeah same here, it’s like why can’t you have both? Just take what works from both sides it’s not that hard..
I think because of the development of “western” practices in the region and the way in which health is viewed in Asian cultures. Correct me if I’m wrong but rather than looking at the body separately Asian cultures tend to think of the body as a whole a illness as being out of “harmony/balance”
why is conventional medicine referred to as western medicine? people in the east have hospitals and doctors too.
@@darkbirb6345 I think they afraid of allergy and poison. Many comments believed that holistic medicine is placebo effect.
Firstly, many holistic medicine are based on sciene too.
Secondly, they need to know that herbal medicine is just vegetation soup, juice lol. It's not going to creat allergy, completely organic.
When I developed my chronic illness 10 years ago, I didn't believe holistic medicine could work. After 6 years of failed medications, surgeries, and treatments, I decided to give it a try & had my mind was changed. I'm not cured by any means, but a great balance between holistic & Western should be the goal. Don't know why people subscribe to the idea that you have to choose one or the other
Love hearing that! Because that’s what I do in my practice is be an adjunct to allopathic medicine which offers relief and wellbeing, especially in cases when the illness is seen as a “mystery” by allopathic medicine. I myself was there a few years ago and that’s what pushed me to study and learn alternative methodologies 💙
I think it’s mostly those of us who have been there that really get it!
Why do people only go to the doctor when something's wrong?
they are debating about the method instead of debating about the science behind holistic products. most of the time (read almost always) those products are harmless and they have to be harmless in order to be legally sold as supplements but they are not required to prove the FDA or to the government that they have any healing or therapeutic effects; in order to do so they would have to undergo long and costly lab tests.
So if someone says that holistic products have ANY therapeutic effect don't believe them cause that would be just their opinion
I generally agree with your comment, but I don't actually think, from what I know, that they have to prove they are harmless. Although it would depend on how they are classifying harmless. They have found trace and sometimes alarming amounts of stuff like arsenic or completely different ingredients than advertised in alternative medicine. And the concentration and dosage of stuff like pure eucalyptus oil can damage major organs pretty quickly. They don't have to prove that they are food grade (digestible) or skin grade (won't cause damage to your skin) in a lot of cases. "Not Approved by the FDA" warnings are super common. And essential oils that have an alcohol base can overdo it and cause problems as well. I have had my entire respiratory system burned out by oil that had too strong alcohol content (was forced to take stuff as a kid).
@@riversrhodell2359 ok, I am accustomed to a better standard cause I live in italy and our government is super strict about food, medicine and supplements safety. it's a shame that USA has such low standards
@@Michelrs Oh, I'm sorry I didn't really think through the fact that other countries have different systems either. That is definitely very interesting. I hope I didn't come off too strong in my original comment. I definitely agree with the majority of what you said and appreciate how you said it. Just wanted to add in a bit of what I know of, coming from America.
Rivers Rhodell this is super important to remember! Most "alternative medicine" products will have no effect beyond placebo, but some can be dangerous or have negative side effects. For example, a lot of "detox" procucts can cause stomachaches and stuff like that. A more severe issue is that some herbal/alternative products have ingredients (like activated charcoal, primrose oil, kava, and even melatonin) that can interact with people's medications in some potentially dangerous ways.
Which is why its important to always ask your doctor before using alternative medicine!
*Kristine sits down onto chair*
Me: "I wonder what she does?"
Backstage: "Why did you go into the field that you're in?"
Kristine: "It was my calling."
*Yep she's the holistic healer*
haha no doubt about it 😆
@@mitzara25 nope. Some people are actually healers in real life. It is a calling. It’s something **others** can get in their life and it’s actually very good.
An allopathic doctor might say the same thing
😂😂😂😂
I clicked on this just to see the comments, and then realized that there aren't enough people when it was posted 1 minute ago.
Universal healthcare doesn't remove private practice. I'm not worried about the people who have thousands of dollars to spend on a doctor visit SMH I'm worried about the ones who don't. Rich people can still have their Beverly Hills private practice. Don't pretend that *that's* the reason you don't agree with it.
Rachael Mow what does that have anything to do with the video?
Rachael Mow i could’t agree more. That’s how it is done in Turkey and even though the quality in the state hospitals are not that good, it’s good to have a medical service even you don’t have money
@@charlesricks2179 It was a question prompt. Did you watch the video?
Rachael Mow I haven’t finished it lol my bad
Exactly Finland has universal health and my family can afford private but we use both example I go to therapy once a week for free and spent 6 months in a psycward for free because the public ones are a lot better
Very sad to see how none of the doctors believed in universal healthcare. I am a doctor in Italy and I know that it works, here and in the rest of the world. If many people from the U.S. stopped being so narcissistic they could understand that just because they don’t have it, it doesn’t mean that it can’t work or that you get bad medical care with a “ social” system. It’s obvious ( and it has been proven) by looking at statistics and studies comparing healthcare quality and the population well being to see that private healthcare DOESN not mean better care. Of course it means higher taxes, but it has also been proven that actually it would end up being cheaper that what you pay with insurances. Extremely disappointed !
Those doctors are money hungry, only in the medical field to make money. Class A assholes.
Bnc DS they’re right though :)
The US is 23 trilllion in debt... A government run healthcare system aka universal can cause massive ripples in the economy due to the fragility of said economy massive changes would need to take place that the US is not prepared for, you can't just wave a magic wand and boom free healthcare. Also Theo Dutra I'm glad you are wise enough to assume the reason somebody literally going into a field that saves lifes is only money that is extremely reasonable it's definitely not to help people suffering you are a mind reader definitely not a class A asshole assuming their intention and purpose based off a 14 minute video. Make sure to give that dirty greedy doctor the finger and put em in their place after saving you or you're family when in need in the future how dare they earn stacks FOR LITERALLY SAVING HUMAN BEINGS ON THE VERGE OF DEATH OR SUFFERING what assholes. Do you know anything about doctors or what it takes to become one or do you see a couple of bad apples and think the entire batch is bad? Seriously though it isn't easy being a doctor they have the highest suicide rate out of all professions imagine the stress involved in what they do, imagine trying everything you can on a patient somebody's kid and fail then you have to tell their family and friends you failed imagine the mental toll that takes after years. Imagine calling a cancer physician, hospital doctor and a psychiatrist greedy assholes on the internet because they don't have the same beliefs as you and make stacks, from a 14 minute video. I'm sorry but that's just offensive as a human being you're the asshole man. I'm sorry you don't make stacks in whatever the fuck you do assuming you have a job but damn you just set the bar so low, in a way I'm impressed. Sorry for the rant but you earned it and so much more even if you were trolling but I'm gonna hold back.
@@A_Bag_of_Potatoes and you think you get rid of the debt by less taxation? Tax is essentially what reduces debt. Just how having a universal healthcare would make less money go into the pockets of the rich who just hoard it, it would make the 99% have more money to spend and it would power the economy. Whats the point of money if its not in circulation and is being hoared by the 1%?
No offense but just because it works in a small country like Italy does not mean it would work in the United States. We have solitary states larger than you, a population far more spread out, far more diverse demographics of people who have different interpretations of what "quality care" entails, and a system that ensures everybody is treated. If someone shows up at a hospital in the US, we admit them and treat their condition, regardless of payment status, and this is something I think most people don't understand. We also have the most high tech hospitals in the world and (by FAR) contribute the most towards medical research out of every country in the world. Our average patient is far less healthier due to the average European patient, making the treatments far longer and more medications required. People use medical tourism to other countries to save on cost but people from other countries travel here and pay high prices for care they could receive in their country but choose not to. There are reasons for why things are the way they are, and while the system certainly has flaws, it is nowhere near as basic as you make it out to be nor can you really compare the US to European countries. It's comparing apples to oranges.
Let’s see how those holistic “healers” are fighting the coronavirus. I’ll wait.
Ruth Williams well, look at it this way: doctors are resorting to ventilators as their main strategy, and what did that result in: 80% dead whom were using them in new york, didnt solve anything if you asked me 🤷🏽♂️, when it comes to covid-19, your best bet at beating it is by strengthening the very thing that attacks the virus, your immune system, by taking cod liver oil which provides vitamin D and A (which are very essential for immune function) and taking vitamin C with natural bioflavonoids as well as zinc. And if you ask me, thats neither holistic nor traditional western medicine
Immune system 🤗
@@ahsookee Dude, there are zero medicine and vaccines agaist corona virus... If western medicine are so good. Why have 10 milion people died from it?
@@loke2860 let's see which one finds the cure, dumbo!
@@loke2860 babe if you're going to make an argument at least get your facts right. 10 million people did NOT die from COVID. the number is currently at 679K. second, it's very difficult to get a vaccine out this early but they're already conducting human trials. and most importantly, alternative medicine is useless in the event that a pandemic arises.
Just because universal healthcare is difficult, doesn’t mean it cannot be executed. It’s never been deemed a national health emergency or anything slightly as significant therefore the work, finances, nuisances, etc. to properly implement it is never sufficiently evaluated
exactly - while it may be a complex system, i’ve always believed that it is *worth it*
One time I called a holistic healer instead of an ambulance and I died
Oh gosh, so relatable.
Ah what an experience that must've been for you to be alive to share it!
Spark Space
So your ghost is typing this
@@SparkSpace You went from ☠ to 😎
The original comment is really funny to me, because as a minor, my parents did hold me and my brother back from going to the ER and the real doctor in favor of alternative medicine
Important note: When the psychiatrist says "complimentary medicine"
“I’ve seen organs removed”
Has this girl never heard of surgery???
@King White Knight and she had YET to experience a positive medical service. smh
King White Knight there is racial bias tho? doctors discriminate against poc, especially woc all the time...
I think she was talking about organ harvesting, doctors taking a black person's organs without consent
Ya know or her deceased family members being organ donors.
I killed chickens and removed their organs.
I feel there should be a middle ground between doctors and holistic healers. They both have the same goal. And that is to HELP others be healthy or recover from illness
This assumes that they really do have the same goal. Some suspect ego and making money are also factors.
As a doctor how can you be against the idea that everyone should be able to access universal healthcare? American mentality is so flawed.
As a positive note, there are many polls out in America that shows the general public DOES agree with Universal Healthcare and really wanna push towards it. So we're getting there hopefully!!
angeninetytwo why are people so ignorant, a simple google search will show you that healthcare in the US is legally undeniable. So yes you do get a bill for the ER, but no you do not have to pay it and no there are no consequences. Medical debt IS NOT the same and any other debt.
Rebeca Jimenez i really hope we dont move that way. I rather enjoy the idea that i have a chance of getting better medical care by living in the US. Look at some statistics and you will see that emergency medicine in the US is the best in the world. Why? Because you get what u pay for....wait but you dont legally have to pay for it because medical debt is not regular debt
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"A 2007 survey had found about 70 million Americans either have difficulty paying for medical treatment or have medical debt."
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"A study has found about 63% of adults with medical debt avoided further medical treatment, compared with only 19% of adults who had no such debt"
How did they gloss over when Sade said doctors want to steal her organs
It was not about her, it was about her friends and family. And I have heard about doctors pressuring the family of a person who just died into agreeing that he/she can donate their organs.
But yeah, that happens because there are not enough people who donate their organs, because there are not enough people who trust western medicine.
@Fyrick24 Yeah, but most people don't really think about that before their death and at least in Germany we assume that the patient isn't okay with donating. You have to go out of your way to get your "Organspendeausweis" (which is basically a license for donating) and even with that the family left behind has to agree to the donation. Now: there is not that much time usually to donate those organs, meaning that doctors have to go to the grieving family who just lost a mother/father/brother/sister/child and persuade them to agree to the donation. And of course some people will feel pressured in that situation.
@Fyrick24 how does it creep them out? They are dead. Give the organs to people who need them instead of letting them rot in the ground.
@Fyrick24 religious reasons mostly. I believe thats most cases
@@tychowozniaki9269 Or they had emergency removals of spleens or other organs and were unconscious when it was done to save their lives and the still living patients wake up and are resentful for some reason.
Love how that one guy was like "if it was so simple it would be done already." Canada,Britain,and almost all the other developed nations have proved that it does work. Just because your a doctor doesn't make you smart kids !
I know, I'm an American in America and I heard him say that and was like??? Um?? It does already exist? lol
Yup
Most practicing doctors are not innovators. They follow protocols or else they get sued.
It could work if psychos didn’t control it. Uk healthcare is awful. I live in Uk.
I know! Just pulled a catchall phrase from a comment section or facebook meme and went with it 😂. That statement is so fragile to facts and logic it's crazy!
if you’re taking one doctor’s word as law instead of getting multiple inputs you’re doing something wrong. I hope nobody there has that mentality
Cameron of course same thing with an holistic coach
But getting multiple medical opinions is $$$$$$$
Olivia B oh I didn’t consider that honestly but you’re right. my comment was my opinion from a Canadian standpoint. I know it’s not necessarily cheap or easy in other places.
Yeah, that's true for nearly everywhere but America. America costs too much to get multiple opinions.
Oh, do you have free healthcare in your country? That would be way too expensive for a lot of Americans, sometimes we can't even afford to go to one doctor depending on what the issue is
I don’t know everything, but I do know that people who provide a lot of the medication in America are greedy and horrible. They charge excruciatingly large amounts of money for many medications purely for the opportunity of making profit without taking into consideration that people legitimately need the services that only they are able to provide. Some companies are charging $150 for medication that cost them $10 to make. People are having to ration medications like insulin and dying because of it. Or they have to cross the border and go to Mexico and get insulin at a cheaper price. Don’t say ‘it’s not that easy’ to make healthcare a right when A LOT of the problems with accessibility to healthcare is simply the expense of it all. This is why people are risking getting to hospital in an Uber so they can avoid the $400 to $1200 bill for an ambulance. 🤦🏾♀️
People hate on Canada for universal healthcare but this isn’t a problem for us really
please remember that doctors are not the enemy, the pharmaceutical companies are. doctors are there to take care of you and can’t control the health care system. fight the system not the workers.
@@giselleloredo54 Correction: "...that not all doctors..." There are doctors out there who very much will take money from big pharma to sell off products in peoples bodies they don't need. Vascular surgeons and unnecessary stents. Psychologists and their unnecessary pills. Or the Primary care nurses who work for clinics that get bonus for keeping the insurance bills down by a certain dollar amount. Big pharma may be the real problem yes, but there are plenty of advocates that would be hard pressed to bite the hand that feeds.
This is so crazy to me... as a European, I pay a little over 100$ a month, which covers a lot of my healthcare: dentist, GP appointments, specialised care at hospitals, and every surgery that is medically necessary. And I’m someone who doesn’t have a very healthy body so I’ve probably cost my insurance at least 50k.
@@Mindcrashed And if we need the ambulance we don't pay for it. It's so mind blowing that you have to pay for ambulance if you're in a emergency, like hallo, are Americans ignorant that we are all human with human rights? Are they so heartless?
I really wish they went a little harder on alternative medicine. Especially when the one lady talked about not vaccinating her child. I just wish they questioned the reasoning behind certain things
Yes. They were just agreeing with each other all the time. Like what? We need to go hard against the Anti Vaxxers
Dissolving illusions by doctor Suzanne Humphries is a great account of history. I suggest reading it for sure!
The doctor stating that there are so many moving parts to create universal healthcare that cannot be done, especially financially... There are multiple studies that show the US's current system costs more than to change. We would save 2 to 5 trillion after just the first 10 years. The 2 trillion estimate even comes from a libertarian, fiscally conservative study. The psychiatrist says we have a great administration system that others don't? The #1 cost of our healthcare is our administrative costs and it's inefficient.