You still can. It's a matter of keeping your calm in a conversation, refraining from expletives and forceful language, so that the "Good Day!" at the end can play its part as a forceful finisher. Putting the other person in the position to either yield or be the first being rude.
@@DevSolar Lol why is it that in white people arguments, the first one to be rude loses? I never understood why keeping your cool means you win. I got nothing against it -- I think that's totally cool. It's just a really interesting cultural thing to me.
It must stem from that the more calm and collected you are, or have the other party perceive you are, you are in control of the situation and emotions. Teddy Roosevelt even said "Talk softly and carry a big stick."
It is not so different from trolling actually. the first one to verbalize an emotional response is the first to loose. I personally use the technique as a tool to measure peoples character than as intellectual jousting.
@@religionisatragedy9742 Yup and Massachusetts actually passed a secession referendum at one point. Jefferson was president at that time though and wished them well. Obviously they didn't actually leave but the Founders clearly had a different view on the right of States and Territories to leave than politicians in the mid 1800s to the present day did / do.
Abraham Lincoln: get back to your Booth in Ford's theater. If you watch the video, Adams was protecting the INTERNATIONAL union he had just fought so hard to ATTAIN.
@@religionisatragedy9742 I'm a Northerner and I'd be pretty damn happy with the South's succession they still bote on doing it or not. At the time Adams could not even afford that position if he wanted it, which it seems he couldn't have had anyway.
When Hamilton says. "You question my loyalty?" He is pretty much throwing a batting practice speed pitch down the middle. Adams responds: "Oh, no, Mr. Hamilton. I question your sanity." And hits it in to the cheap seats.
@Graf von Losinj I've always suspected Hamilton wasn't a good guy, he was there as a representative of either the banks or the crown, or both. Aaron Burr did us a favor. Hot take: The US really lost its independence in the war of 1812. The 1st bank of the US was dissolved in 1811, in 1812, England comes, whoops our asses, burns the capital, they had us against the ropes and then they just leave in 1814. and the 2nd bank of US was created less than 2 years later. We may have had our political freedom, but the US lost its economic freedom in 1812, we've been a defacto colony ever since.
They werr British subjects for years, but the Revolution shows, they were far, far from the Brits in their governmental mindset. Hampilton and some others were exceptions, but even Adams, who was perceived as wanting America to be too much like European nations, was appealed at the idea of constant war, huge debts, and empire building that Hamilton desired so bad. The other key figures like Washington and especially Jefferson were despised the British system and any references in their new government to any kind of royalty or formal monarch type terms used for the president and others.
@@johnbailey2850 8 of the first 9 US Presidents were born British citizens and sorry they were never 'subjects'. As for a "governmental mindset" and "constant war, huge debts, and empire building" forgive me but the reason the rebellion started was to avoid paying the new taxes needed to repay the costs of the Franco - Indian war that the British had fought to stop the French from taking over what was British America where they lived. And so they rebelled by starting a long war, that caused them to be in huge debt that created a massive Governmental structure . And one might argue creating a new American 'empire' that spread West destroying First Nation peoples as they new Americans went.
@@johnbailey2850 Hamilton wanted war? To me, what he was suggesting was far from being a war-hawk. The fact that he correctly predicted the chaos of the French Revolution and, with a clear mind, understood that the British has a significantly larger presence in North America. Hamilton made it very clear, he wasn't trying to build an empire, he was trying to preserve the Union in case secessionists cooperate with France. I don't see how he wanted constant war.....
The so-called Louisiana Territory didn't rightfully belong to the French, it was wholly owned by the Native American tribes that were already here when the colonists arrived. While we cannot undue what has been done in the past, it must be acknowledged that the American continent was a conquered nation.
I'm seeing it in eight days ;^) If you told me this when i posted it was would have been like "no you're lying why the heck would you do this to me" also i can rap guns and ships
Washington brought independence, but Adams brought a competence and stability to the office. His contributions are often overlooked for other founders.
EDIT: I get a notification every few months from this thread. I was a hot headed high schooler who learned about the alien and sedition act and thought it was lame as hell so I took it out on this comment. I’m leaving it up for the sake of context but I don’t really want to be involved in this anymore. The Founding Fathers were a colorful characters that I don’t really find an interest in anymore. Wishing you all the best. Edit 2: it’s just sending me pings about the chat now. Fml StrangeStrongs It was abilities to deport immigrants easier, as well as making it harder for them to vote, and criminalized making “false statements” that were critical of the federal government. John Adams tried his hardest to give himself the most power he could, through censorship and arrests, by trying to name the President as “Your Excellency” after the war, by signing in as many lawyers to the Supreme Court as he could to retain power after Presidency, John Adams loved his power and was afraid of letting it go, which is a cautious threat to Democracy as a whole
No doubt Hamilton was a great man. But like all the rest he had his good moments and his bad. One book and Broadway play later and the guy has a fanclub. Fickle world.
He does. Although many Hamilton fans can be overly protective, a lot of us can recognize that Hamilton was a loud mouth who burned bridges he'd of been better off of not. The man fought all his life it seems he didn't know when to stop. You need to admit though, the man had a mind ahead of its time and deserves credit for the things he did.
John Adams was often the same way though. Adams truly meant what was best for his country, but he went about it in some bad ways sometimes and made a lot of enemies in the process when he did not necessarily need to do so
I don't think that's being disputed, the true conflict is how accurate the title is. When I originally watched this, my opinion was that Hamilton favored leniency toward compromise with aristocracies for what he said was the economy's sake, and Jefferson merely agreed to disagree.
He really didn't do much though. His best contribution was probably the federalist papers. Other than that he was a shill for bankers. He was the Hillary Clinton of his day.
He created the US' financial system, the first Bank of the United States, and gave birth to the "American School" of economics, which ruled America for 150 years or so. Yeah, he didn't do much.
It's ironic that Alexander Hamilton was the most "Government" power over Individuals, and expansion of territoral gain, of all the founding fathers of USA Yet at the same time was also the single biggest advocate of the Abolition of slavery Also that John Adams Sr was the only other founding father who opposed slavery, yet was Hamilton's arch enemy politically and hated him completely and was also the only one of them who wanted the mass arrest of citizens for siding with France and even speaking French despite the first amendment
Hamilton was obviously very gifted and rightfully deserves his place in the pantheon of the Founding Fathers, but reading Chernow's biography, it's actually surprising that he lived as long as he did, he was so reckless and hot headed...
Yep. He was truly a blessed man. He was Washington's Aide de Camp, a brilliant economist and businessman and a hardcore patriot. He also had affairs with married women and lived life hard. I'm glad he did not live long enough to cause any more mischief.
I'm wondering if you actually read Chernow's biography of Hamilton. Apparently, he was so "reckless and hot headed," as you say, that the extremely sober and disciplined George Washington had him manage the Revolutionary War while still in his early 20s, and then create the working guts of the new government, as he perceived with foresight and insight the financial needs of an otherwise imperiled economy that stood to imminently demolish the fledgling country. Hamilton's intellectual brilliance and gifts of communication made him Washington's confidant and go-to man for all sorts of political persuasion and correspondence with key players regarding military and civil matters. While Washington was "The Indispensable Man," according to Flexner, Hamilton was indispensable to Washington. As General of the Revolutionary Army and first President of the United States, Washington acknowledged this. Hamilton's accomplishments, good judgement, and talents in a variety of fields are near endless, hence Chernow's 800 pages, Hamilton's wrong headed idea to venture into South America notwithstanding. His tour de force during his relatively brief time on the world stage even inspired one commentator to call him the greatest man who ever lived. Due to his founding of the United States' capitalist system, one senses a narrow minded bias brought by overwhelmingly left wing academics when it comes to Hamilton, the reason perhaps this mini series chose to portray in a negative light, when he otherwise revealed himself to be a kind of prodigy and genius, though not perhaps without a hero's tragic flaws, which only make him human. He did have a compelling desire to prove himself in battle, which he did, if that can be called "hot headedness." But, over all, Chernow depicts a man who seems to have embodied the capacities of perhaps ten men in one. With such numerous personal talents and powers, flaws are also bound to be present in a man, in part due to the propensities of youth. Reread the book.
@@iamhudsdent2759 Referring to Hamilton's altercation with Washington in 1781: "The rupture with Washington highlights Hamilton's egotism, outsize pride, and QUICK TEMPER and is perhaps the first of MANY curious lapses of judgment and timing that detracted from an otherwise stellar career...Hamilton exhibited the RECKLESSNESS of youth and a disquieting touch of folie de grandeur." Chernow, page 153 in my edition. I could cite many more examples that would substantiate my original post, but I'm not going to further indulge a troll such as yourself. Reread the book.
A man is only ever as strong as the people around him. The community he serves and the family he is sworn to protect. Whatever strength he has, he draws from them. And for them, he must be prepared to give up everything. His life, his blood, or else everything he has done has been for nothing. He is nothing.
Trent D yup.. maybe fuhrer? If Himmler dies that is. Last season also. Also the preview has Juiliana being found by Thomas and John Smith in the world were the allies won and them possibly starting a relationship?
I'm a big Hamilton fan - but this is a crucial moment in our country when Hamilton almost ruined everything. Glad Adams kept him in check. I actually believe Adams' said avoiding that war over Hamilton's objections is his greatest and most proud accomplishment and that he wanted it on his epitaph. Rightfully so.
Alexander Hamilton was a founding father who did great things for this country. But he also wanted the US to have a King and didn't believe in giving normal citizens the right to vote. I find it funny how one Broadway play can make him look like a saint.
Browns Fan he did not wanted a king. He wanted a president who could serve for life on good behavior. Well yes, I can see how that can be sort of king like, it do not happen did it? And people don't consider Hamilton a saint (for god sake he cheated on his wife) people respect what he did for this country. It like how I respect Jefferson for being an intelligent man and a wonderful leader, he was also a man who owned slaves and didn't release them when he head the chance. You can't just look at person's good side and not their bad. That basically takes away their humanity and makes them sorta divine.
lol. What play are you listening to? "The brother was ready to beg, steal, borrow, or barter" "You could never back down, You never learned to take your time!" These are just in the 1st song. The play goes on to show him as reckless and overly-ambitious. Yes, the play puts him on a pedestal, but no more than almost every other media ever made about a founding father. I'd argue that's more of an issue the U.S. has with lionizing founding fathers in general than with Hamilton in particular.
"we are as likely to fight a French army on these shores, as we are on the moon!" *next scene fades into a speampunk-esque war between French and American infantry on the moon* "well, guess I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt, Hamilton".
Ned Stark: "Even a million Dothraki are no threat to the realm, as long as they remain on the other side of the Narrow Sea. They have no ships, Robert!"
A Tiny detail that I just love/noticed: When Adams is giving his response, notice how he can't help but keep looking at Hamilton's hand on his sword throughout... Just drives home Adams' worries about Hamilton's motivations
@@fabioventura2984 Not so much kill him, but rather interpret the hand on the sword as Hamilton hungering for conflict in order to justify his goals as a politician, a sort of corruption that goes against everything the founding fathers fought against. And this scene is basically JA calling Hamilton out for that exact thing (Particularly his "You dream of Empire..." line). An interesting thing about this scene that I like is that Both JA and AH see themselves as the continuation of George Washington's legacy. Adams, taking the calmed, collected posture of (what he believes is) President Washington with the stance of 'Stay Neutral'. While Hamilton, taking on the form of (what he believes is) General Washington, in Military uniform, doing whatever to ensure the survival/prosperity of the Union.
This was a great series. It opened up a whole new admiration for Adams. No he wasn't as heroic as Washington. No he wasn't as eloquent or idealistic as Jefferson, but he is what America needed.
a simple man with a good head on his shoulders and an impeccable work ethic, yeah...somehow that's the kind of president the US has been lacking for at least 30y now
@@TheChill001 Adams wasn't a simple man. He was college educated, a lawyer, and possibly one of the best public speakers in American at the time. Jefferson's written word was brilliant and eloquent, but he was shy in public, as well as a raging hypocrite in multiple important matters. Adams was the opposite, could write excellently (see his closing arguments in the defense of the British soldiers), but most importantly, he was a man of principle.
Jefferson gave us self rule. Washington gave us sovereignty. But it was Adams who preserved the rule of law against all revolutionary zeal to the contrary, and we owe him a great debt for this.
@@hagamapama Sometimes a country needs a boring, steady hand on the tiller to get through choppy waters. Preserving and establishing democratic norms isn't glamorous work, but it is essential work.
@@4skully It's available as both DVD and Blu-Ray. It will blow your socks off (assuming you wear socks) with how much John Adams did for the country while Franklin and Jefferson were hobnobbing with the French aristocracy.
@@peterr6988 considering trump is literally only 3 years younger and has just as much cognitive decline and madness I'd still take any Democrat with a pulse
I don't think so Adams make very good call. Had he question Hamilton's loyalty, he might be called to prove it, because he would accuse the man of treason, which is a crime. Madness is not a crime though
Not the only time these two have acted opposite one another. I know them as Chief Inspector Walter Uhl and Crown Prince Leopold in The Illusionist. Walter Uhl (John Adams) owned Leopold in that movie too.
Pretty sure Hamiliton was the Lead from The Man in a HIgh Castle which was a GREAT character for him. (Hint: You find out that he was not always destined to be a bad person)
The best thing is that Adams literally knew by this point that France had already won, and knew Hamilton was blowing smoke up his ass to get his way. The fact that he humored his ranting is proof that Adams was more cool-headed than his reputation would suggest.
@@edmundironside9435 obviously, but almost every conversation and piece of dialog in this show was based on countless written contemporary documents... so although it didn't go down exactly like this, letters suggest the situation depicted was not far from the truth.
d23g32 - I've read the book, "John Adams", and almost all the entire dialogue of the miniseries is constructed around firsthand accounts in letter or book form. If Adams did not actually say what he said in this scene, then he goddamn well should have.....
John Adams is my second favourite US president after Lincoln, every hates on him because he was a curmudgeon. But I rather like that about him, he was a man of principle being one of the few founding fathers who didn't own slaves and paid all his farm workers a fair wage. He had high moral standards in a time in history where the world was lacking in morality. Also fiercely intelligent. He has always been highly underrated in my humble opinion.
Adams has the great advantage of having written extensively about his own times. It means that, even when faced with a multitude of sources that describe Adams at his worst, we also get Adams' own voice and opinions on those same matters. Additionally, he was candid, not having written a political memoir but private diaries and letters.
Adams has always been one of my favorites as well. I love that this series opens with recounting his defense of the British soldiers involved in the Boston Massacre. John Adams' defense of the soldiers is incredibly remarkable. Whatever else may be said of him, his ability to move men cannot be denied. It was nothing short of a miracle that he was able to get a jury to listen to testimony and give the soldiers a fair trial when all of Boston had been prepared to lynch them.
Adams was a highly moral man and great stateman and patriot. But he wasn't a great president. The Alien & Sedition Act, even for that time frame, was a disaster. Also, the way he handled the Quasi War wasn't the best either.
@@tylerhub4342 From my view, Hamiliton didn't directly own slaves, but often facilitated the transfer of money in the purchase and sale of slaves for his father in law, Phillip Schulyer, who enslaved many on his lands in upstate New York.
I think this was the best thing HBO ever produced. The acting was so fantastic and text from McCullough's book was riveting. I think the fourth episode, "Independence," when they were debating the fate of the country was nothing less than electric. When the final tally of the votes for independence was announced and the whole room fell silent, it was beyond dramatic. In that moment, everyone in that room realized that it was all on the line for them and the country. Were they to lose they would have all been hanged. I wonder if we'll ever have a collection of great minds like that in this country again.
I agree completely. It’s the second episode (minor detail but in case someone wants to watch it) and I show it to my US HISTORY students all the time. I always ask them about the reactions after they have voted-they’re like “oh sh$t!” NOW what? :-)
John Adams son as ambassador brokered the aquisition of Florida after the Jackson expeditions in 1816. He and Onis wrote the treaty. JQ Adams suggested Jackson as first territorial governor, since Jackson had "done us a great good. " However they'd be rivals in just s few years.
Thank goodness there was a go-get'em realtor that convinced Napoleon that France needed to hawk the Louisiana Territory while it was still a seller's market!
@@ronbo11 it is more ironic than you think. Boney was planning to restart French expansion of the Republic with an invasion of England. He needed the cash from the sale to outfit the expedition. The US borrowed the money from Barons Bank of London. Yeah.
@@mysteryjunkie9808 read about the filibusters in the then southwest 1785 to 1812. The last Articles of Confederation Congress negotiations and first Constitutional Executive branch treaty was the Pickney treaty to establish the Florida line. Spain wanted it at the Cumberland and Tennessee rivers. The Confederation Congress would accept the Yazoo river line, the Washington administration with Jefferson as SoS only accepted the Treaty of Paris 1783 which gave the US everything down to the current Florida line. Even then the Spanish tried to keep Natchez. The royalist colonial nations were trying to keep the dangerous idea US hemmed in to make it impossible to use Ohio and Tennessee economically (no Gulf Ports). The US were political liberals wanting to expand the heroic revolution...the same as the Republican French were doing .
Remember, it was Hamilton who proposed the idea of a national bank that would ultimately control the states via loans and interest. We ended up with something quite similar via the Federal Reserve and now all the states are slaves to DC. For now.
The (hypothetical) 18th century colonial American accent the actors adopt in this miniseries nearly gives me chills. As a linguist, I know what theories and conjectures it's based on, I know that the actors carry it off very well (for the most part), and I find it completely transporting.
I agree, the accents strip away the vanity that can come from American history dramas and make you feel like you've stumbled into the actual moment. The use of Dutch angles and unusual camera placement makes it feel like this was filmed secretly in the past and they just released the tapes.
I agree but Rufus Sewell wasn’t the right choice to play Hamilton who really had red hair and blue eyes. Dan Stevens could have been the better choice, nothing against Sewell, who looked more like James Madison or Monroe
He was right though... The British did kick Napoleon out of France, and the US did take possession of 'all lands this side of the Mississippi' and to great benefit (though admittedly by purchasing it from Napoleon, in a kind of irony').
***** Aside from slavery as a cause of the civil war I will not touch upon with you, however. What you are saying is factually incorrect. Popular opinion at the time was that slavery would die out within a few decades. And certianly no one predicted possible session of a state until the 1830s with the emergence of figures such as John C Calhoun. Please refrain from spewing shit on the internet that isn't true just because you watched a documentary once.
No, the Civil War *was* mainly over the issue of slavery. If you read the declaration of secession from many of the Southern states which joined the Confederacy they quite literally say that they're seceding because of, you guessed it, slavery.
It was talked about quite a bit. When Jefferson was on his deathbed, he was no longer just predicting secession; he was advocating for it. There was a conscious effort by historians to downplay this as mad deathbed ramblings, but yet, you can see by reading his biography that it was a steady progression.
Both men had flawed politics in certain areas, but Adams was totally in the right here. The United States would have been decimated by another war. Washington agreed, and ultimately Adams in this scene puts the best interest of the country over party politics. And damn, leave it to Paul Giamatti to be able to just hand someone their own a** and kick them out the door.
If Napoleon won and conquered entire Europe, France would be absolutely the most powerful country in the world by far. Americans almost lost a war against Britain in 1812. while most of British troops were busy in Spain... And Napoleon in 1812. had 10x more soldiers than Britain, 700.000 for his invasion of Russia.
@@albogypsy2842 France didn't have the navy to support an invasion of North America, any French attempt to do so would likely have been smashed by the Royal Navy. Strict neutrality in the Napoleonic War was the sensible strategy and Adams is not praised nearly enough for helping to pull it off
He would have been the perfect age to play an older Hamilton, he was only four years older while making this than Hamilton was in 1804 when Aaron Burr bust a cap in his ass. The problem I think is that they needed Jefferson to be in his 30s for the Decleration of independance portion of the show, and then just change the color of his wig for the later years. Alexander Hamilton was a teenager in 1776, so I can understand them just omitting his existence until he's Rufus Sewell's age. Anyway, I'm glad they gave Dillane the juicier part, to be honest. Mean's we get to see more of him.
Music&Makeup that's because they both had red hair, light eyes, and pale skin. I think they did a good job at casting an actor with strong features to play Hamilton but they could've made him shorter with more auburn hair. They did a very good job at casting Jefferson in my opinion
If this actually reflects things accurately, then it is bizarrely ironic seeing as the 2 people who WERE responsible for Louisiana and Florida being incorporated into the USA (on SEPARATE occasions) were Hamilton's arch rival, Thomas Jefferson, and, a man often considered one of the greatest US secretaries of state, John Quincy Adams.
@@antred11 : The conquest of Florida by Andrew Jackson's armies was hardly peaceful. It would have been bloodier if Spain had insisted on fighting and didn't accept being paid off. But they were going to lose Florida either way.
Paul Giammatti just chews up the whole scene on this clip. The whole John Adams mini-series was a showcase of how good an actor he is. In every scene he just owns it.
***** Learn the history, Article I Clause V sets the requirements for running for office, one of which being: natural born citizen of the United States. Hamilton was born in the Island of Nevis in the Caribbean, thus being unable to run.
***** I agree, but Hamilton might of also thought he was far to unpopular, as all the Federalists would of voted for him and all the Democratic-Republicans voted against it would of been a very close election and Adams and Jefferson weren't very close.
Hamilton was serving as a Major General at the time, so it makes sense that he'd be in military uniform. That said, yeah, I think you have a point, as regards the filmmakers' intention here.
God Jr You've left out part of the text. Article II allows a "natural born citizen of the United States" to be president, OR "a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution." Hamilton would have fallen into the second category (as would all of the presidents born before the Constitution came into force in 1789).
Never mind the fact that Hamilton LOST potential money while helping establish the constitution, arguing for ratification, established good credit and governance, helped make a strong executive branch and allowed multiple inquiries into the treasury department to clear his name of any wrongdoing. An illegitimate and orphaned boy in the British West Indies who was an ardent abolitionist became a heroic colonel in the American revolution. Also as a lawyer he defended tories and would give back money to clients who he believed were overpaying. He was Washington’s closest secretary; personally and in political views He did , however, have an affair and was too proud. The later led to his death in a duel but Hamilton was no devil.
That sounds like a lot of flim-flam. "Lost potential money" - quite the martyr. "he defended tories" - yea, he sure did, especially of the banking sort. "an ardent abolitionist" - not particularly, and quite conveniently for a city boy. The wild orphaned jungle boy narrative is convenient, but poorly supported. He acted more like a royalist agent of British money. Also, no one said he was a devil (except his contemporaries).
Odysseus Well let’s take a look at his contemporaries: Madison - Wrote the Federalist Papers and then changed his tune when having to appease his districts. Jefferson - Craven who fled to Monticello when the British invaded Virginia under his governorship; slaveholder who fathered children with. Adams - a paranoid, puritanical wet blanket who thought too high of himself and too low of others. Mostly a good man though, just naïve in finance. Jay - Close friend of Hamilton and helped bring peace and stability to the new country. Washington - Wise, pragmatic president who agreed with Hamilton so often that Hamilton could be regarded as his PM. Unfortunately he was a slaveholder. Hamilton is regarded as the best treasury secretary to this modern day. Taking the middle path between France and Britain was the right decision. Creating a proper Navy to deal with France in the quasi war was appropriate. See how Madison fared going to war with Britain. I don’t think Hamilton was perfect and he naïvely thought too well of bankers/well-to-do and had an arrogant attitude about his abilities. But he fought valiantly in the few battles he had and almost died for his adoptive country.
Well-said. My view of Hamilton, as of others, is found in reading what they choose to pen, such as the Federalist Papers, where I find Hamilton to lean conspicuously on the use of flowery rhetoric and inductive reasoning, for the usual royalist motives that drove him (abolition not being one of them). Adams, despite his faults, by contrast, has never wasted my time in what he found worth communicating from his own hand - to the point and cutting.
I don't care if people are bias because of Hamilton: An American Musical. I love how people are so into the origins of the United States of America now because of it! I loved this HBO series when it first came out and I adore 'Hamilton' as well
coll912 - I completely agree. There’s always two sides to each story and depending on who is telling the story, one version always favors one side. I think people who really want to understand and study history need to look at the arguments from both sides before deciding who was right and who was wrong. Usually it’s somewhere in the middle. Both this series and the musical are fantastic. Of course both change some facts around to fit their narratives but they still do a very good job of portraying our history. If that makes someone who watches either more interested in history and pick up a book to learn more, all the better.
I've always that that it was "independency" but "independence, say..." kind of works. Still "independency" was a form of the word that was used at the time so that was likely how the song was written (in imitation of period vocab.)
"What can I say Adam's, You're... You're right. I never loved you, I never saw you as a father, I saw you as a Petty little Tyrant, you're a mediocre man, a failed chicken farmer, the very thought you see yourself in me, it sickens me"
John Adams is the most underrated founder in the history of the U.S. I put him in the camp with Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Franklyn, and Hamilton. He was the north pole of the Great American experiment with Jefferson it's south pole. This series/book really brings him to his proper place. So much of the good that America is is owed to Adams. People should really study him more. Hamilton, because of the play has been elevated higher than he should... Great yes, but not half the man of Adams IMO.
And Hamilton publishes his response: “An open letter to the fat, arrogant, anti charismatic national embarrassment know as president John Adams. The man’s irrational, he claims that I’m in league with Britain in some vast international intrigue, like PLEASE! You wouldn’t know what I’m doing, always going bezerk, but you never show up to work! Give my regards to Abigail next time you try to write about my lack of moral compass, at least I do my job up in the rumpus!
WTF was with Hamilton, anyway? He was all for sending troops to Louisiana, Florida and even South America! Nevermind that the U.S. Army & Navy didn't have anywhere near the forces required for even one of those places! :)
Yeah. It makes no sense. People run their mouths sometimes. The US Ambassador to Britain during the Civil War threatened the Queen’s cousin with annexing Canada to make up for the South leaving and the British took him so seriously they deployed an army to the border. Charles Adams was constantly putting out fires by that guy. He would run his mouth and then Adams would be like we are not gonna annex Canada and so on.
Hamilton's prediction of British victory was correct, his argument that France would "detach" South America from Spain became reality after the Peninsular Campaign, and his observations on renegades within the nation itself was a touchy point and remains so to this day. Adams didn't react this way in response to these predictions, but the aggressive foreign policy Hamilton proffered which defied what the Enlightenment and its philosophy stand for. "You dream of empire, Mr. Hamilton." Adams is seeing some Caesar nonsense and he's having none of it!
This is interesting. I wasn't aware Rufus Sewell was in a John Adams miniseries. It also stars Paul Giamatti and features Tom Wilkinson, so maybe I should give this a look.
i will continue to say.. our 2nd president.. got treated badly , and doesn't get enough credit till this day for his dedication and whole heart in our declaration of Independence
"...now either you are stark, raving mad or _I am!"_ This is how I feel when I argue with anyone. I truly don't know who is right, and I'm sure the other person is the same, and one of us has got to be the nutcase in the equation.
Hamilton fanboys ain't gonna like this! (And I can't believe that sentence actually makes sense, but the broadway show actually did create Hamilton fanboys and fan fangirls.)
I just wonder how often these two needed to be separated. I swear, Adams was one step away from punching Hamilton. He probably would have if he didn’t have self control.
Paul Giamatti contributed to John Adams what John Adams contributed to the USA. Paul is one of those actors who somehow ended up on my top 10 list of Jack Of All Skills male actors. He plays a wide spectrum of roles beyond well. He could play the Penguin in a Batman movie and then play a Monk during the Crusades, then play a Gun Smuggler for the mob in the 1920's and then play a High School Principle in the 1960's.
No he was not a war monger he wanted to keep the republic safe and to set up a banking and financial stability. We had capital and Congress couldn't decide what to do. Hamilton made those decisions and was then shot before everything could be put in motion.
PierzStyx Lmao shut up, war against France would have killed the Great Satan before it became the tumor it is now. Hamilton’s plans failing were a tragedy
+Ebony Plummer that line came before Adams was president and it's one of two lines where Hamilton talks of Adams. The other one is his response to Adam's insults certainly isn't anti Adams. It's a play about Hamilton and Hamilton disliked Adams so why is it bad if Hamilton (insults) him?
+Ebony Plummer that line came before Adams was president and it's one of two lines where Hamilton talks of Adams. The other one is his response to Adam's insults certainly isn't anti Adams. It's a play about Hamilton and Hamilton disliked Adams so why is it bad if Hamilton (insults) him?
Hamilton did say the greatest man who ever lived was Julius Caesar. It's not surprising he intended to form an empire. He basically wanted to keep the British Empire's economic and monetary policy in order to finance it. He envied the British Empire and wanted to copy its political and economic system (corruption and all); essentially keeping the new Union British, but instead of being ruled by London, be ruled in New York (the original capital). It's a key reason why he needed the national bank (which was based on the Bank of England) to pass...and wanted Washington to be King.
"Good day Sir!" was that era's "Get the fuck out of my house!".
"Dismissed! ... That's Starfleet for "GET OUT"!"
- Captain Kathryn Janeway
😂😂😂
Or our era’s Willy Wonka.
"Bless your heart" prototype.
My exact thought at the end of the clip, already here below.
I miss the days you could burn someone by wishing them a good day....
You still can. It's a matter of keeping your calm in a conversation, refraining from expletives and forceful language, so that the "Good Day!" at the end can play its part as a forceful finisher. Putting the other person in the position to either yield or be the first being rude.
@@DevSolar Lol why is it that in white people arguments, the first one to be rude loses? I never understood why keeping your cool means you win. I got nothing against it -- I think that's totally cool. It's just a really interesting cultural thing to me.
It must stem from that the more calm and collected you are, or have the other party perceive you are, you are in control of the situation and emotions. Teddy Roosevelt even said "Talk softly and carry a big stick."
It is not so different from trolling actually. the first one to verbalize an emotional response is the first to loose. I personally use the technique as a tool to measure peoples character than as intellectual jousting.
I SAID GOOD DAY SIR
John Adams predicted the war of 1812 while Hamilton predicted the Civil War.
Ironically enough at that time it was northern states who threatened with secession the most.
@@religionisatragedy9742 Yup and Massachusetts actually passed a secession referendum at one point. Jefferson was president at that time though and wished them well. Obviously they didn't actually leave but the Founders clearly had a different view on the right of States and Territories to leave than politicians in the mid 1800s to the present day did / do.
Abraham Lincoln: get back to your Booth in Ford's theater.
If you watch the video, Adams was protecting the INTERNATIONAL union he had just fought so hard to ATTAIN.
Well put. Amen and pass the ammo and gun oil cause another civil war is on the horizon.
@@religionisatragedy9742 I'm a Northerner and I'd be pretty damn happy with the South's succession they still bote on doing it or not. At the time Adams could not even afford that position if he wanted it, which it seems he couldn't have had anyway.
When Hamilton says. "You question my loyalty?" He is pretty much throwing a batting practice speed pitch down the middle. Adams responds: "Oh, no, Mr. Hamilton. I question your sanity." And hits it in to the cheap seats.
@Graf von Losinj I've always suspected Hamilton wasn't a good guy, he was there as a representative of either the banks or the crown, or both. Aaron Burr did us a favor.
Hot take: The US really lost its independence in the war of 1812. The 1st bank of the US was dissolved in 1811, in 1812, England comes, whoops our asses, burns the capital, they had us against the ropes and then they just leave in 1814. and the 2nd bank of US was created less than 2 years later.
We may have had our political freedom, but the US lost its economic freedom in 1812, we've been a defacto colony ever since.
"Either you're stark raving mad or I am!" Simply put, "You're out of your got damned mind!"
but except it not baseball but its is real life !
Fun fact: Hamilton's actor said the exact same thing as John Smith in Man in the High Castle
And Adams was full of it, Hamilton was right as he almost always was and Adams was too much into his ego to admit it
2020 and still no frenchmen on the moon John Adams didn't know how right he was.
And thank god he was.
LETS GOOOOO
They didn't have any nazi scientists.
Their flag is there
When was the last time anyone went to the moon?
"You question my loyalty?"
"Oh, no, Mr. Hamilton. I question your sanity."
ROFL
interesting how he looks totally insane as he shouts "Either you are stark raving mad, or I am"
K1productions and hamilton was completely mad, fighting spain and france so early in our nation's history would have destroyed us.
AsianDevil SwimChamp good way to avoid a duel, too. Loyalty went to Hamilton's honour, sanity was a mere mental illness. Honour was worth dying over.
What is ROFL?
@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 Right on. Hamilton had the right strategic vision but was overly ambitious in the timeline to an extreme.
Back when Americans were basically Brits without royalty
They werr British subjects for years, but the Revolution shows, they were far, far from the Brits in their governmental mindset. Hampilton and some others were exceptions, but even Adams, who was perceived as wanting America to be too much like European nations, was appealed at the idea of constant war, huge debts, and empire building that Hamilton desired so bad.
The other key figures like Washington and especially Jefferson were despised the British system and any references in their new government to any kind of royalty or formal monarch type terms used for the president and others.
John Bailey I think they mean accent
@@johnbailey2850 8 of the first 9 US Presidents were born British citizens and sorry they were never 'subjects'.
As for a "governmental mindset" and "constant war, huge debts, and empire building" forgive me but the reason the rebellion started was to avoid paying the new taxes needed to repay the costs of the Franco - Indian war that the British had fought to stop the French from taking over what was British America where they lived. And so they rebelled by starting a long war, that caused them to be in huge debt that created a massive Governmental structure . And one might argue creating a new American 'empire' that spread West destroying First Nation peoples as they new Americans went.
@@johnbailey2850 Hamilton wanted war? To me, what he was suggesting was far from being a war-hawk. The fact that he correctly predicted the chaos of the French Revolution and, with a clear mind, understood that the British has a significantly larger presence in North America. Hamilton made it very clear, he wasn't trying to build an empire, he was trying to preserve the Union in case secessionists cooperate with France. I don't see how he wanted constant war.....
John Bailey even Adams really didn’t want foreign influence.
I love how Hamilton wanted to conquer the Louisiana territory, but Thomas decided to get it at a cheap price
Not so much that he decided as much as the opportunity fell in his lap
@@xChemistryFTWx and they used money from England to purchase it and never paid it back LOL!
The so-called Louisiana Territory didn't rightfully belong to the French, it was wholly owned by the Native American tribes that were already here when the colonists arrived. While we cannot undue what has been done in the past, it must be acknowledged that the American continent was a conquered nation.
@@sabrewolf4129 I mean... yeah
@@sabrewolf4129every square inch of inhabitable land on this planet has been conquered from somebody
Adams just destroyed Alexander Hamilton, the only other significant member of his party.
The movie doesn't really portray Adams as a federalist, more like a moderate that supports the constitution.
I see what you did there
Hamilton is a host unto himself. As long as he can hold a pen, he's a threat. Let's let him know what we know.
@@Bluebird383 *dun dun dun dun* Mr. Vice President, Mr. Madison, Senator Burr, what is this?
@@LadyMythos315 We have the check stubs from sperate accounts
Basically what Adams is saying to Hamilton:
"You are becoming the very thing you swore to destroy!"
So... Hamilton was the first member of Antifa?
Ryan D Tibbetts - Hahaha 👍🏻
Ryan D Tibbetts more like the first imperialist
Ryan D Tibbetts bruh no
It’s over Hamilton. I have the high ground!
wow the Hamilton cast sure has changed since everyone left
Right? John Adams wasn't even in it before, now he's the main character?!
FAT, ARROGANT, ANTI-CHARASMATIC, NATIONAL EMBRASSMENT! KNOWN AS PRESIDENT JOHN ADAMS.
Yeah I'm Hamilton trash
I'm seeing it in eight days ;^) If you told me this when i posted it was would have been like "no you're lying why the heck would you do this to me"
also i can rap guns and ships
I WHEEZED
you do know that the founders were not black, right?
I have always loved Paul Giamatti's acting, but his performance in this series is absolutely impeccable.
whats the name of the series?
@@ritchierich6133 John Adams
He won an Emmy for it i think
They could not have picked a better actor, imo. He nailed it! As you said… impeccable
@@jimmy22334 He did indeed; won an Emmy, Golden Globe, and SAG for it among others. Absolutely powerful performance!
Washington brought independence, but Adams brought a competence and stability to the office. His contributions are often overlooked for other founders.
He also did a lot of stupid stuff, but then again, I'd also be a bit insecure after following Washington.
@Joseph Henderson what was thay
@@Nnnnn636 what was that
@@Nnnnn636 I was hoping you would summarize it since you seemed to know about but idk guess I was getting my hopes up
EDIT: I get a notification every few months from this thread. I was a hot headed high schooler who learned about the alien and sedition act and thought it was lame as hell so I took it out on this comment. I’m leaving it up for the sake of context but I don’t really want to be involved in this anymore. The Founding Fathers were a colorful characters that I don’t really find an interest in anymore. Wishing you all the best.
Edit 2: it’s just sending me pings about the chat now. Fml
StrangeStrongs It was abilities to deport immigrants easier, as well as making it harder for them to vote, and criminalized making “false statements” that were critical of the federal government. John Adams tried his hardest to give himself the most power he could, through censorship and arrests, by trying to name the President as “Your Excellency” after the war, by signing in as many lawyers to the Supreme Court as he could to retain power after Presidency, John Adams loved his power and was afraid of letting it go, which is a cautious threat to Democracy as a whole
No doubt Hamilton was a great man. But like all the rest he had his good moments and his bad. One book and Broadway play later and the guy has a fanclub. Fickle world.
He does. Although many Hamilton fans can be overly protective, a lot of us can recognize that Hamilton was a loud mouth who burned bridges he'd of been better off of not. The man fought all his life it seems he didn't know when to stop. You need to admit though, the man had a mind ahead of its time and deserves credit for the things he did.
John Adams was often the same way though. Adams truly meant what was best for his country, but he went about it in some bad ways sometimes and made a lot of enemies in the process when he did not necessarily need to do so
I don't think that's being disputed, the true conflict is how accurate the title is. When I originally watched this, my opinion was that Hamilton favored leniency toward compromise with aristocracies for what he said was the economy's sake, and Jefferson merely agreed to disagree.
He really didn't do much though. His best contribution was probably the federalist papers. Other than that he was a shill for bankers. He was the Hillary Clinton of his day.
He created the US' financial system, the first Bank of the United States, and gave birth to the "American School" of economics, which ruled America for 150 years or so.
Yeah, he didn't do much.
Adams : "GOOD DAY SIR"
Hamilton: "but, ... I... "
Adams: "I SAID GOOD DAY!!!"
Adams: I have spoken
YOU LOSE, MR. HAMILTON! AMERICA GETS NOTHING!
(Hamilton walking out) I don't think he wants me to have a good day.
It's ironic that Alexander Hamilton was the most "Government" power over Individuals, and expansion of territoral gain, of all the founding fathers of USA
Yet at the same time was also the single biggest advocate of the Abolition of slavery
Also that John Adams Sr was the only other founding father who opposed slavery, yet was Hamilton's arch enemy politically and hated him completely and was also the only one of them who wanted the mass arrest of citizens for siding with France and even speaking French despite the first amendment
Oompa Loompa doopity dare. If you're in a duel, don't shoot in the air...
Hamilton was obviously very gifted and rightfully deserves his place in the pantheon of the Founding Fathers, but reading Chernow's biography, it's actually surprising that he lived as long as he did, he was so reckless and hot headed...
Yep. He was truly a blessed man. He was Washington's Aide de Camp, a brilliant economist and businessman and a hardcore patriot. He also had affairs with married women and lived life hard. I'm glad he did not live long enough to cause any more mischief.
Can you imagine if his affair hadn't come out and he ran for president and won?
@@Rockhound6165 Rather than negotiating the Louisiana Purchase the way that Jefferson did, Hamilton probably would have tried to take it by force.
I'm wondering if you actually read Chernow's biography of Hamilton. Apparently, he was so "reckless and hot headed," as you say, that the extremely sober and disciplined George Washington had him manage the Revolutionary War while still in his early 20s, and then create the working guts of the new government, as he perceived with foresight and insight the financial needs of an otherwise imperiled economy that stood to imminently demolish the fledgling country. Hamilton's intellectual brilliance and gifts of communication made him Washington's confidant and go-to man for all sorts of political persuasion and correspondence with key players regarding military and civil matters. While Washington was "The Indispensable Man," according to Flexner, Hamilton was indispensable to Washington. As General of the Revolutionary Army and first President of the United States, Washington acknowledged this. Hamilton's accomplishments, good judgement, and talents in a variety of fields are near endless, hence Chernow's 800 pages, Hamilton's wrong headed idea to venture into South America notwithstanding. His tour de force during his relatively brief time on the world stage even inspired one commentator to call him the greatest man who ever lived. Due to his founding of the United States' capitalist system, one senses a narrow minded bias brought by overwhelmingly left wing academics when it comes to Hamilton, the reason perhaps this mini series chose to portray in a negative light, when he otherwise revealed himself to be a kind of prodigy and genius, though not perhaps without a hero's tragic flaws, which only make him human. He did have a compelling desire to prove himself in battle, which he did, if that can be called "hot headedness." But, over all, Chernow depicts a man who seems to have embodied the capacities of perhaps ten men in one. With such numerous personal talents and powers, flaws are also bound to be present in a man, in part due to the propensities of youth.
Reread the book.
@@iamhudsdent2759 Referring to Hamilton's altercation with Washington in 1781: "The rupture with Washington highlights Hamilton's egotism, outsize pride, and QUICK TEMPER and is perhaps the first of MANY curious lapses of judgment and timing that detracted from an otherwise stellar career...Hamilton exhibited the RECKLESSNESS of youth and a disquieting touch of folie de grandeur." Chernow, page 153 in my edition. I could cite many more examples that would substantiate my original post, but I'm not going to further indulge a troll such as yourself.
Reread the book.
obergruppenfuhrer
El chingon
A man is only ever as strong as the people around him. The community he serves and the family he is sworn to protect. Whatever strength he has, he draws from them. And for them, he must be prepared to give up everything. His life, his blood, or else everything he has done has been for nothing. He is nothing.
Oberstgruppenfuhrer*
Holy shit never noticed that was John Smith
Trent D yup.. maybe fuhrer? If Himmler dies that is. Last season also. Also the preview has Juiliana being found by Thomas and John Smith in the world were the allies won and them possibly starting a relationship?
I'm a big Hamilton fan - but this is a crucial moment in our country when Hamilton almost ruined everything. Glad Adams kept him in check. I actually believe Adams' said avoiding that war over Hamilton's objections is his greatest and most proud accomplishment and that he wanted it on his epitaph. Rightfully so.
Compte Prive No one should ever be a fan of foreign-born power-hungry madman. Now either you are stark-raving mad or I am! Good day, sir!
Except everything Hamilton said happened in one way or another lol.
Let’s not forget Hamilton’s plan for government...
@@alalalala57 true.
@@meganthomas4768 its a reference to hitler's origins.
Alexander Hamilton was a founding father who did great things for this country. But he also wanted the US to have a King and didn't believe in giving normal citizens the right to vote. I find it funny how one Broadway play can make him look like a saint.
Browns Fan he did not wanted a king. He wanted a president who could serve for life on good behavior. Well yes, I can see how that can be sort of king like, it do not happen did it? And people don't consider Hamilton a saint (for god sake he cheated on his wife) people respect what he did for this country. It like how I respect Jefferson for being an intelligent man and a wonderful leader, he was also a man who owned slaves and didn't release them when he head the chance. You can't just look at person's good side and not their bad. That basically takes away their humanity and makes them sorta divine.
lol. What play are you listening to? "The brother was ready to beg, steal, borrow, or barter" "You could never back down, You never learned to take your time!" These are just in the 1st song. The play goes on to show him as reckless and overly-ambitious. Yes, the play puts him on a pedestal, but no more than almost every other media ever made about a founding father. I'd argue that's more of an issue the U.S. has with lionizing founding fathers in general than with Hamilton in particular.
Well to be fair, Adams wanted the president to be referred to as "Your Highness."
To which his opponents responded by calling him "His Rotundancy" behind his back.
Browns Fan if anything they make Eliza the "saint"
Ending a conversation with that kind of "Good day sir!" is on my bucket list.
Yeah but you have to deliver it in a British accent for full effect though. LOL!
I'm bringing back "Tomfoolery" Who's with me?
@@seththomas9105 I plan to call someone a coxcomb very soon.
@@SimpleManGuitars1973 Yes!
@@seththomas9105 I've never stopped saying it. That and also lolligagging
"we are as likely to fight a French army on these shores, as we are on the moon!"
*next scene fades into a speampunk-esque war between French and American infantry on the moon*
"well, guess I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt, Hamilton".
I want this fanfic
Ned Stark: "Even a million Dothraki are no threat to the realm, as long as they remain on the other side of the Narrow Sea. They have no ships, Robert!"
They would also need to contend with the forces of space Nazis and Sentinel Prime
i saw this comments months ago and it still haunts me to this day
George "Jetpack" Washington, please?
A Tiny detail that I just love/noticed:
When Adams is giving his response, notice how he can't help but keep looking at Hamilton's hand on his sword throughout...
Just drives home Adams' worries about Hamilton's motivations
Was he afraid he was going to kill him?
@@fabioventura2984 Not so much kill him, but rather interpret the hand on the sword as Hamilton hungering for conflict in order to justify his goals as a politician, a sort of corruption that goes against everything the founding fathers fought against. And this scene is basically JA calling Hamilton out for that exact thing (Particularly his "You dream of Empire..." line). An interesting thing about this scene that I like is that Both JA and AH see themselves as the continuation of George Washington's legacy. Adams, taking the calmed, collected posture of (what he believes is) President Washington with the stance of 'Stay Neutral'. While Hamilton, taking on the form of (what he believes is) General Washington, in Military uniform, doing whatever to ensure the survival/prosperity of the Union.
It's a frickin movie!! Like it really happened?? Duh.
Good catch! Didn't even notice till you mentioned it yes its good symbolism for Hamilton's stance and Adams consideration of it 👌
Dang thats a good catch
This was a great series. It opened up a whole new admiration for Adams. No he wasn't as heroic as Washington. No he wasn't as eloquent or idealistic as Jefferson, but he is what America needed.
a simple man with a good head on his shoulders and an impeccable work ethic, yeah...somehow that's the kind of president the US has been lacking for at least 30y now
@@TheChill001 Adams wasn't a simple man. He was college educated, a lawyer, and possibly one of the best public speakers in American at the time. Jefferson's written word was brilliant and eloquent, but he was shy in public, as well as a raging hypocrite in multiple important matters. Adams was the opposite, could write excellently (see his closing arguments in the defense of the British soldiers), but most importantly, he was a man of principle.
Jefferson gave us self rule. Washington gave us sovereignty. But it was Adams who preserved the rule of law against all revolutionary zeal to the contrary, and we owe him a great debt for this.
@@hagamapama Sometimes a country needs a boring, steady hand on the tiller to get through choppy waters. Preserving and establishing democratic norms isn't glamorous work, but it is essential work.
And yet both Washington and Jefferson owned slaves.
"Never gon' be president now..."
THAT'S ONE LESS THING TO WORRY ABOUT
+Rachel Jocson Heyyyey. At least he's honest with our moneayyyy.
+MrWooaa it's just lyrics from the broadway show about him. i have absolutely nothing against him!
+Rachel Jocson "Heyyyey. At least he's honest with our moneayyyy." are lyrics sung by the ensemble
That's not funny😡
I get a “You stole fizzy lifting drinks” vibe from this scene 😂
Soo true.
"Good day sir!"
Lmao, why is that so true
Gene Wilder and Paul Giamatti are both great actors, but Wilder gets the win with his delivery of "Good Day, Sir"
Willy Wonka has a dark side.
"No Mr. Hamilton, I question your sanity" that's cold.
"I'm not questioning your loyalty, I'm denying it's existance!" -Tyrion Lannister.
@@JnEricsonx Good day sir!
@@AbrahamLincoln4 still drinking people's milkshakes?..... sorry I'm confused
One of the more historically accurate portrayal of characters by the industry. Great job, HBO
do you think this is available on DVD I m going to check thanks
I agree, I was there too.
@@4skully It's available as both DVD and Blu-Ray.
It will blow your socks off (assuming you wear socks) with how much John Adams did for the country while Franklin and Jefferson were hobnobbing with the French aristocracy.
@@4skullyyou can stream it on MAX
Now how on earth would you know that? lol
"Now either you are stark raving mad, or I am!"
One of my favorite lines from this series.
Why not both?...
From 1776 (the musical): "Be glad that you have John Adams to abuse, for no sane man would tolerate it!!!" - John Adams
Oh how I Wonder what the Adams would say if he could see Trump in 2019
@@IndependentConversations prettttty sure he'd be fine with him and would have a bit more worry over this walking corpse biden.
@@peterr6988 considering trump is literally only 3 years younger and has just as much cognitive decline and madness I'd still take any Democrat with a pulse
this entire scene in a nutshell....
YOU LOSE!!!! GOOD DAY SIR!
Your comment is a win. GOOD DAY SIR!!
ACEGaming I SAID "GOOD DAY SIR!"
Wonka lol
No, it shows how Hamilton wanted to conquer the whole western hemisphere, which would have created a World War.
*Y O U G E T* *N O T H I N G*
The equivalent of "I am not questioning your honor. I'm denying it's existence!"
Not exactly. Honor is fine, judgment not so much"
@@mathieushifera135 He's referencing a line/scene from game of thrones.
The 13th Hussar “I will not have my honor questioned by an IMP!”
I don't think so Adams make very good call. Had he question Hamilton's loyalty, he might be called to prove it, because he would accuse the man of treason, which is a crime. Madness is not a crime though
In those days, when the word 'honor' was taken to mean something, that would likely have led to an 'affair of honor' i.e. a duel.
Not the only time these two have acted opposite one another. I know them as Chief Inspector Walter Uhl and Crown Prince Leopold in The Illusionist. Walter Uhl (John Adams) owned Leopold in that movie too.
This had made me wonder if this was Rufus Sewell's revenge on Paul Giamatti.
Walter? wtf you doin here??? can I have a card?
woah walters here
Rufus Sewell is always awesome. And such a nice guy if you ever meet him.
Pretty sure Hamiliton was the Lead from The Man in a HIgh Castle which was a GREAT character for him. (Hint: You find out that he was not always destined to be a bad person)
"good day sir!!"
we need to bring this one back into every day english
H: But Mr. Adams-
A: *I SAY GOODAY!!!*
@@tss3393 fezz from the that 70s show made a fine attempt
“Sir, unfortunately I can’t refund this item”
…
“Well in that case, I bid you good day sir”
Doesn't he play Obergrüppenfürher John Smith in The Man in the HighCastle
Dylan. He does. I think he is a British actor as well.
Knew he looked familiar.
@@billsnyder42 I felt the same way. I wondered why he looked familiar.
Rufus Sewell. He's an amazing actor. He was in Dark City, The Illusionist, The Man in the High Castle and the American remake of Eleventh Hour.
Britt J.L. Halliburton can’t forget Knights Tale and Victoria
Spoiler.
Aaron Burr kills Hamilton.
kozzy18 We knew that already. GOOD DAY SIR!
Rage Blanket "I SAID GOOD DAY!"
andrewxc1335 - lol! Where have I heard that before?
SuspiciouslyDLicious That Seventies show. Fez.
+kozzy18
Burr, that's cold
The best thing is that Adams literally knew by this point that France had already won, and knew Hamilton was blowing smoke up his ass to get his way. The fact that he humored his ranting is proof that Adams was more cool-headed than his reputation would suggest.
But France didn't win. Britain won and the Bourbons DID return. If only until the next revolution
@@McKamikazeHighlander long term yes but that was after Napoleon became emperor.
You do realise this is a fictional conversation, right?
@@edmundironside9435 obviously, but almost every conversation and piece of dialog in this show was based on countless written contemporary documents... so although it didn't go down exactly like this, letters suggest the situation depicted was not far from the truth.
@@edmundironside9435
Ahh, here's the genius that got stuck on step 1 of the conversation about lore
Paul Giamatti's performance in this series opened my eyes to one of the Best actors of our time ! The man is Fantastic
he's always been this B-list actor that should have been A list with his repertoire and amazing theatrical skills.
Preach
Better than the time he crept into that naked goons bedroom and ran out like his pants were on fire?
wow so many hamilton fanboys, geez john adams just cleaned the floor with him in this scene.
+CptnJCFG Yes but surprisingly Hamilton did predict the future.
Are you saying that Young America would've taken France's territories by force, instead of the civilized way it actually acquired them?
Adams predicted the future too. We didn't find any French armies on the moon :p
That fictitious scene, you mean. No one was in the room with them at the time and the video of the incident seems suspiciously missing.
d23g32 - I've read the book, "John Adams", and almost all the entire dialogue of the miniseries is constructed around firsthand accounts in letter or book form. If Adams did not actually say what he said in this scene, then he goddamn well should have.....
I love how everyone in the comments section is arguing about 18th century politics.
Adams was a patriot and a very underrated President. He was a man of honor and integrity.
Being a patriot to this demonic country means nothing
John Adams is my second favourite US president after Lincoln, every hates on him because he was a curmudgeon. But I rather like that about him, he was a man of principle being one of the few founding fathers who didn't own slaves and paid all his farm workers a fair wage. He had high moral standards in a time in history where the world was lacking in morality. Also fiercely intelligent. He has always been highly underrated in my humble opinion.
Adams has the great advantage of having written extensively about his own times. It means that, even when faced with a multitude of sources that describe Adams at his worst, we also get Adams' own voice and opinions on those same matters. Additionally, he was candid, not having written a political memoir but private diaries and letters.
Adams has always been one of my favorites as well. I love that this series opens with recounting his defense of the British soldiers involved in the Boston Massacre.
John Adams' defense of the soldiers is incredibly remarkable. Whatever else may be said of him, his ability to move men cannot be denied.
It was nothing short of a miracle that he was able to get a jury to listen to testimony and give the soldiers a fair trial when all of Boston had been prepared to lynch them.
Adams was a highly moral man and great stateman and patriot. But he wasn't a great president. The Alien & Sedition Act, even for that time frame, was a disaster. Also, the way he handled the Quasi War wasn't the best either.
Only one* theirs strong evidence hamilton was a slave ownwr
@@tylerhub4342 From my view, Hamiliton didn't directly own slaves, but often facilitated the transfer of money in the purchase and sale of slaves for his father in law, Phillip Schulyer, who enslaved many on his lands in upstate New York.
The beginning of the Boston-New York rivalry.
I grew up in walking distance of the Adams Houses.
@@stiofanloingsigh351 Me too! I live in Braintree, even though the houses are in Quincy
I think this was the best thing HBO ever produced. The acting was so fantastic and text from McCullough's book was riveting. I think the fourth episode, "Independence," when they were debating the fate of the country was nothing less than electric. When the final tally of the votes for independence was announced and the whole room fell silent, it was beyond dramatic. In that moment, everyone in that room realized that it was all on the line for them and the country. Were they to lose they would have all been hanged. I wonder if we'll ever have a collection of great minds like that in this country again.
+katford7286 We might, but they're damn sure not in the government. Not all of them anyway.
I agree completely. It’s the second episode (minor detail but in case someone wants to watch it) and I show it to my US HISTORY students all the time. I always ask them about the reactions after they have voted-they’re like “oh sh$t!” NOW what? :-)
The times create the men. There is this ability latent in us now and it will rise.
The dutch angles though ...
HBO's Rome was also amazing.
I love Rufus Sewell's accent as Hamilton, since his father was Scottish.
He also played King Charles the second I forgot the what the show was called
John Hamilton as John Smith in The Man In The High Castle!
Obergruppenfuehrer Hamilton has a nice ring to it 😅😅 @@ernestolombardo5811
@@wardogies
The Power & the Passion
I like how Hamilton has a slight Scottish accent, cos his father was the son of a Scottish lord.
hes still a Bastard from the Caribbean
not Scottish at all. More like a west country accent.
yeh it sounds almost welsh or cornish?
More Cornish innit?
That makes more sense since most English at the time had a rhotic accent kind of like Cornish. ARGH
“Good Day Sir!!!!” That’s old colonial speak for “GTFO!!!!!!!!”
Adams verbally "Aaron Burred" Hamilton with that burn!
Hamilton: We must crush all of our enemies and take Florida from Spain!!
Jackson: Hold my beer.
Hamilton: We must crush all of our enemies and Florida from Spain!!
Jackson: Hold my Pistol...You are now my second.
Hamilton would have loved James K. Polk then. The guy pushed for the annexation of Texas knowing it would enrage the Mexicans and likely trigger war.
Europe was still rebuilding after the Napoleanic wars. It was a good a time as any to take Florida.
John Adams son as ambassador brokered the aquisition of Florida after the Jackson expeditions in 1816. He and Onis wrote the treaty. JQ Adams suggested Jackson as first territorial governor, since Jackson had "done us a great good. "
However they'd be rivals in just s few years.
What next? Free Cuba and annex the Philippines?
Paul Giamatti and Rufus Sewell...two actors that aren't talked about a lot, but at the top of their game...best in the business!
“Everything this side of the Mississippi.”
Patience my dear Hamilton. Patience.
Thank goodness there was a go-get'em realtor that convinced Napoleon that France needed to hawk the Louisiana Territory while it was still a seller's market!
@@ronbo11 it is more ironic than you think. Boney was planning to restart French expansion of the Republic with an invasion of England. He needed the cash from the sale to outfit the expedition. The US borrowed the money from Barons Bank of London.
Yeah.
Manifest Destiny hadn’t taken hold on American people yet
@@mysteryjunkie9808 read about the filibusters in the then southwest 1785 to 1812. The last Articles of Confederation Congress negotiations and first Constitutional Executive branch treaty was the Pickney treaty to establish the Florida line. Spain wanted it at the Cumberland and Tennessee rivers. The Confederation Congress would accept the Yazoo river line, the Washington administration with Jefferson as SoS only accepted the Treaty of Paris 1783 which gave the US everything down to the current Florida line. Even then the Spanish tried to keep Natchez.
The royalist colonial nations were trying to keep the dangerous idea US hemmed in to make it impossible to use Ohio and Tennessee economically (no Gulf Ports). The US were political liberals wanting to expand the heroic revolution...the same as the Republican French were doing .
@@STho205 So they funded both sides, as usual...
Imagine having to deal with Hamilton. Shit must’ve been really annoying.
Yah man I couldn't take two and a half hours of bad singing, acting and rapping idk if I could to a whole war with him
He didn't deal with him for long he was fired by Adams within six months of Washington dying.
@@jaystrickland4151 I thought he was "fired" by Aaron Burr? Lolol
I'm glad that Burr iced him.
Remember, it was Hamilton who proposed the idea of a national bank that would ultimately control the states via loans and interest. We ended up with something quite similar via the Federal Reserve and now all the states are slaves to DC. For now.
"Welcome folks to *The Adams Administration!* "
SIDDOWN JOHN
John, you're a bore. We've heard this before. Now for godsake, John, *_SIT DOWN!_*
The (hypothetical) 18th century colonial American accent the actors adopt in this miniseries nearly gives me chills. As a linguist, I know what theories and conjectures it's based on, I know that the actors carry it off very well (for the most part), and I find it completely transporting.
I agree, the accents strip away the vanity that can come from American history dramas and make you feel like you've stumbled into the actual moment. The use of Dutch angles and unusual camera placement makes it feel like this was filmed secretly in the past and they just released the tapes.
Giamatti's performance is so good here. I love the faces he makes as his mind is trying to comprehend what he is hearing from Hamilton lmao
nothing wrong with revising history when new facts are unearthed
I agree but Rufus Sewell wasn’t the right choice to play Hamilton who really had red hair and blue eyes. Dan Stevens could have been the better choice, nothing against Sewell, who looked more like James Madison or Monroe
Hamilton is more convincing when he's singing.
@Association of Free People You're not wrong. His current fan base would not be his fan base back in the day.
@Alexander Hamilton you mean, "thanks.. I guess... or is it a mess, or maybe I be blessed but I confess the stress it makes me feel I'm the best."
He was right though... The British did kick Napoleon out of France, and the US did take possession of 'all lands this side of the Mississippi' and to great benefit (though admittedly by purchasing it from Napoleon, in a kind of irony').
Hamilton was a piece of shit with extra steps.
Thus guy at least looks like hamilton
Meanwhile, on the Moon: "Ze Anglos know!"
Our 52th State!
Hahahahahahaha
WELCOME FOLKS TO THE ADAMS ADMINISTRATION!
That being said Hamilton was way too hawkish. Adams was right to not wage war and keep the peace.
Jefferson's the runner up which makes him the vice president
ThePotatoGamer Washington can't help you now, no more mister nice president.
Mentlegen Adams fire Hamilton, privately calls him ‘creole bastard’ in his taunts.
Jorg the Mercenary Spearman Say what?
0:29 john adams was smoking that pack 🤣🤣
"You question my loyalty?"
"No, I question your sanity!"
"Well, I question your dental hygiene!"
"GOOD DAY SIR!"
LOL, he just predicted the Civil War.
*****
Aside from slavery as a cause of the civil war I will not touch upon with you, however. What you are saying is factually incorrect. Popular opinion at the time was that slavery would die out within a few decades. And certianly no one predicted possible session of a state until the 1830s with the emergence of figures such as John C Calhoun.
Please refrain from spewing shit on the internet that isn't true just because you watched a documentary once.
No, the Civil War *was* mainly over the issue of slavery. If you read the declaration of secession from many of the Southern states which joined the Confederacy they quite literally say that they're seceding because of, you guessed it, slavery.
you stupid
It was talked about quite a bit. When Jefferson was on his deathbed, he was no longer just predicting secession; he was advocating for it. There was a conscious effort by historians to downplay this as mad deathbed ramblings, but yet, you can see by reading his biography that it was a steady progression.
His talk of secession was about New England. They were the first to talk of secession; not the South.
Both men had flawed politics in certain areas, but Adams was totally in the right here. The United States would have been decimated by another war. Washington agreed, and ultimately Adams in this scene puts the best interest of the country over party politics.
And damn, leave it to Paul Giamatti to be able to just hand someone their own a** and kick them out the door.
If Napoleon won and conquered entire Europe, France would be absolutely the most powerful country in the world by far. Americans almost lost a war against Britain in 1812. while most of British troops were busy in Spain... And Napoleon in 1812. had 10x more soldiers than Britain, 700.000 for his invasion of Russia.
@@albogypsy2842 France didn't have the navy to support an invasion of North America, any French attempt to do so would likely have been smashed by the Royal Navy. Strict neutrality in the Napoleonic War was the sensible strategy and Adams is not praised nearly enough for helping to pull it off
John Adams DESTROYS Alexander Hamilton with FACTS and LOGIC
The actor playing Thomas Jefferson looks more like Hamilton then the actor playing Hamilton
+Music&Makeup Yep
+Music&Makeup Agreed, I thought he WAS Hamilton first time I saw a clip of him on youtube
That actor is Stannis the Fucking Mannis. You will show respect when referring to the rightful king of Westeros.
He would have been the perfect age to play an older Hamilton, he was only four years older while making this than Hamilton was in 1804 when Aaron Burr bust a cap in his ass. The problem I think is that they needed Jefferson to be in his 30s for the Decleration of independance portion of the show, and then just change the color of his wig for the later years. Alexander Hamilton was a teenager in 1776, so I can understand them just omitting his existence until he's Rufus Sewell's age. Anyway, I'm glad they gave Dillane the juicier part, to be honest. Mean's we get to see more of him.
Music&Makeup that's because they both had red hair, light eyes, and pale skin. I think they did a good job at casting an actor with strong features to play Hamilton but they could've made him shorter with more auburn hair. They did a very good job at casting Jefferson in my opinion
If this actually reflects things accurately, then it is bizarrely ironic seeing as the 2 people who WERE responsible for Louisiana and Florida being incorporated into the USA (on SEPARATE occasions) were Hamilton's arch rival, Thomas Jefferson, and, a man often considered one of the greatest US secretaries of state, John Quincy Adams.
+uʍop ǝpᴉsdn ǝʇoɹ ǝuop ᴉ zlol By _peaceful_ means, though.
Well, it was Andrew Jackson that actually invaded Florida. John Quincy wanted the opposite
@@antred11 : The conquest of Florida by Andrew Jackson's armies was hardly peaceful. It would have been bloodier if Spain had insisted on fighting and didn't accept being paid off. But they were going to lose Florida either way.
i like alexander but we can't deny that john adams just literally set him on fire with this
smolsteph YASSS
*figuratively
Who leaked Napoleon's plans to invade the moon? 😉😉
It left out Hamilton’s response, “You’d do well to remember how you became President, by a matter of 4 votes!”
“That poor man, they’re going to eat him alive”- King George III
President John Adams?! GOOD LUCK
Hamilton's curse. The pursuit of empire.
the love of strong centralized government was his curse. pursuit of empire was the by-product.
In the end his ideal won out. Motherfucking manifest destiny.
jacob levenson I mean, outside of the conflicts precipitated by the Mexicans, our 19th century expansion was diplomatic.
Logan Mainord Remember the Maine! We also fought a war for empire with spain.
Logan Mainord I’m sure Native Americans would disagree with you 🙄
Paul Giammatti just chews up the whole scene on this clip. The whole John Adams mini-series was a showcase of how good an actor he is. In every scene he just owns it.
I love how Hamilton is even dressed like a military dictator in this scene. The director took no subtleties in the portrayal of Hamilton.
***** Learn the history, Article I Clause V sets the requirements for running for office, one of which being: natural born citizen of the United States. Hamilton was born in the Island of Nevis in the Caribbean, thus being unable to run.
***** I agree, but Hamilton might of also thought he was far to unpopular, as all the Federalists would of voted for him and all the Democratic-Republicans voted against it would of been a very close election and Adams and Jefferson weren't very close.
Actually, that was essentially the General's uniform of the day. Washington, before his death, would have worn the same thing, in such a position.
Hamilton was serving as a Major General at the time, so it makes sense that he'd be in military uniform. That said, yeah, I think you have a point, as regards the filmmakers' intention here.
God Jr You've left out part of the text. Article II allows a "natural born citizen of the United States" to be president, OR "a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution."
Hamilton would have fallen into the second category (as would all of the presidents born before the Constitution came into force in 1789).
Abigail Adams had this to say about Alexander Hamilton, "I have read his heart in his wicked eyes and the very devil is in there."
Worth repeating. It's why the bankers love him so.
Never mind the fact that Hamilton LOST potential money while helping establish the constitution, arguing for ratification, established good credit and governance, helped make a strong executive branch and allowed multiple inquiries into the treasury department to clear his name of any wrongdoing.
An illegitimate and orphaned boy in the British West Indies who was an ardent abolitionist became a heroic colonel in the American revolution. Also as a lawyer he defended tories and would give back money to clients who he believed were overpaying. He was Washington’s closest secretary; personally and in political views
He did , however, have an affair and was too proud. The later led to his death in a duel but Hamilton was no devil.
That sounds like a lot of flim-flam.
"Lost potential money" - quite the martyr.
"he defended tories" - yea, he sure did, especially of the banking sort.
"an ardent abolitionist" - not particularly, and quite conveniently for a city boy.
The wild orphaned jungle boy narrative is convenient, but poorly supported. He acted more like a royalist agent of British money.
Also, no one said he was a devil (except his contemporaries).
Odysseus Well let’s take a look at his contemporaries:
Madison - Wrote the Federalist Papers and then changed his tune when having to appease his districts.
Jefferson - Craven who fled to Monticello when the British invaded Virginia under his governorship; slaveholder who fathered children with.
Adams - a paranoid, puritanical wet blanket who thought too high of himself and too low of others. Mostly a good man though, just naïve in finance.
Jay - Close friend of Hamilton and helped bring peace and stability to the new country.
Washington - Wise, pragmatic president who agreed with Hamilton so often that Hamilton could be regarded as his PM. Unfortunately he was a slaveholder.
Hamilton is regarded as the best treasury secretary to this modern day. Taking the middle path between France and Britain was the right decision. Creating a proper Navy to deal with France in the quasi war was appropriate. See how Madison fared going to war with Britain.
I don’t think Hamilton was perfect and he naïvely thought too well of bankers/well-to-do and had an arrogant attitude about his abilities. But he fought valiantly in the few battles he had and almost died for his adoptive country.
Well-said. My view of Hamilton, as of others, is found in reading what they choose to pen, such as the Federalist Papers, where I find Hamilton to lean conspicuously on the use of flowery rhetoric and inductive reasoning, for the usual royalist motives that drove him (abolition not being one of them). Adams, despite his faults, by contrast, has never wasted my time in what he found worth communicating from his own hand - to the point and cutting.
I don't care if people are bias because of Hamilton: An American Musical. I love how people are so into the origins of the United States of America now because of it! I loved this HBO series when it first came out and I adore 'Hamilton' as well
I have seen the series more than 10 times: it is so amazingly well done!
Read Ron Chernow's "Hamilton" for the real story. Hamilton was a rock star in his own time, creating the American financial system.
coll912 - I completely agree. There’s always two sides to each story and depending on who is telling the story, one version always favors one side. I think people who really want to understand and study history need to look at the arguments from both sides before deciding who was right and who was wrong. Usually it’s somewhere in the middle. Both this series and the musical are fantastic. Of course both change some facts around to fit their narratives but they still do a very good job of portraying our history. If that makes someone who watches either more interested in history and pick up a book to learn more, all the better.
The abolition of slavery was a mistake.
Joseph Moestar yes, the musical is obviously biased towards Hamilton, but the John Adams HBO series is also biased against him so it goes both ways.
2:28 - How people in those days told you to well ….. “do something to yourself”
Hamilton never hesitates... he takes and he takes and he takes and he takes.
no just like a Zionist
God bless ISRAEL!
Easy to sneer when you've never had to take just to have.
and he keeps winning anyway, changes the game plays and he raises the stakes
Just like a modern day Democrat right? Ok wait! I never said that!
Oh wait, you're already sitting down...
+baetony Good. Someone ought-to Open up a window!
lol!
Michael Ybarra no there are too many flies
1:41 "Never in my life have I heard a man speak more like a thot" - John Adams
Only morons use such slang and Adams was not a moron.
@@LordTalax “Moron” was slang once too.
I am very impressed that they were able to find this footage in such good shape.
"GOOD DAY SIR!" 1776 version of "Fuck off"
I say vote yes, vote yes, vote for independency…
Someone aughta open up a window!
I've always that that it was "independency" but "independence, say..." kind of works. Still "independency" was a form of the word that was used at the time so that was likely how the song was written (in imitation of period vocab.)
oh for gods sake john sit down
🎼🎶John, you're a bore, we've heard this before, now for God's sakes, John, SIT DOWN!!!🎶
@@polyhymnia701 NEVER!!!
These people knew how to argue. We've lost that.
👍👍👍
"GOOD DAY SIR!" Only if people today would say that at the end of every argument.
Looks like Reichsführer John Smith made a pit stop through the portal
Adams had better hope there isn't an oxygen tank nearby.
@@michaelnewton1332 But Adams needn't worry, since he his not a failed chicken farmer.
"What can I say Adam's, You're... You're right. I never loved you, I never saw you as a father, I saw you as a Petty little Tyrant, you're a mediocre man, a failed chicken farmer, the very thought you see yourself in me, it sickens me"
John Adams is the most underrated founder in the history of the U.S. I put him in the camp with Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Franklyn, and Hamilton. He was the north pole of the Great American experiment with Jefferson it's south pole. This series/book really brings him to his proper place. So much of the good that America is is owed to Adams. People should really study him more. Hamilton, because of the play has been elevated higher than he should... Great yes, but not half the man of Adams IMO.
Hamilton was all about himself.
@@jnagarya519 yes but he was brilliant. I am not a fan of his
John Quincy Adams did list all of them together in the film "Amistad".
And Hamilton publishes his response:
“An open letter to the fat, arrogant, anti charismatic national embarrassment know as president John Adams. The man’s irrational, he claims that I’m in league with Britain in some vast international intrigue, like PLEASE! You wouldn’t know what I’m doing, always going bezerk, but you never show up to work! Give my regards to Abigail next time you try to write about my lack of moral compass, at least I do my job up in the rumpus!
He didn't publish it, it leaked destroying the federal party.
They were calling Adams a dick back in ‘76, and he hasn’t even done anything new since. That nuisance.
Is that actual lyrics from the show Hamilton? ...like PLEASE is right!
@Amber I heard he died of irrelevance.
WTF was with Hamilton, anyway? He was all for sending troops to Louisiana, Florida and even South America! Nevermind that the U.S. Army & Navy didn't have anywhere near the forces required for even one of those places! :)
He would have done that with the UK as an ally as well as the others in the winning side of the Napoleonic Wars. It would have been a victory.
He liked war.
He dreamed of empire.
Yeah. It makes no sense. People run their mouths sometimes. The US Ambassador to Britain during the Civil War threatened the Queen’s cousin with annexing Canada to make up for the South leaving and the British took him so seriously they deployed an army to the border. Charles Adams was constantly putting out fires by that guy. He would run his mouth and then Adams would be like we are not gonna annex Canada and so on.
Hamilton's prediction of British victory was correct, his argument that France would "detach" South America from Spain became reality after the Peninsular Campaign, and his observations on renegades within the nation itself was a touchy point and remains so to this day. Adams didn't react this way in response to these predictions, but the aggressive foreign policy Hamilton proffered which defied what the Enlightenment and its philosophy stand for. "You dream of empire, Mr. Hamilton." Adams is seeing some Caesar nonsense and he's having none of it!
This is interesting. I wasn't aware Rufus Sewell was in a John Adams miniseries.
It also stars Paul Giamatti and features Tom Wilkinson, so maybe I should give this a look.
i will continue to say.. our 2nd president.. got treated badly , and doesn't get enough credit till this day for his dedication and whole heart in our declaration of Independence
"...now either you are stark, raving mad or _I am!"_
This is how I feel when I argue with anyone. I truly don't know who is right, and I'm sure the other person is the same, and one of us has got to be the nutcase in the equation.
In this particular instance, we can be assured that Adams is making excellent use of hyperbole in his exclamation of that specific statement.
If John Adams of all people says you're being too authoritarian, there's something seriously wrong with you XD
Hamilton fanboys ain't gonna like this!
(And I can't believe that sentence actually makes sense, but the broadway show actually did create Hamilton fanboys and fan fangirls.)
Obi-wan: Oh, you mean a Broadway musical isn't historically accurate?
Next you'll say the Lincoln movie was wrong too.
They will have to take that L. John Adam's clearly had the higher ground.
Back to the future: Man in the high castle edition
I just wonder how often these two needed to be separated. I swear, Adams was one step away from punching Hamilton. He probably would have if he didn’t have self control.
If Adams punched Hamilton,that would have been the last of Adams.
The fact that these two were in a room together and it didnt escalate into a rap battle is insane.
It is sad that John Adams didn't get as much gratitude for all that he did until after he passed away.
Alex why you wanna do that to your homie LaFayette, where’s the gratitude
I'm gonna start saying "Good day sir/madam" when I want to dismiss someone that annoys me.
Paul Giamatti contributed to John Adams what John Adams contributed to the USA. Paul is one of those actors who somehow ended up on my top 10 list of Jack Of All Skills male actors. He plays a wide spectrum of roles beyond well. He could play the Penguin in a Batman movie and then play a Monk during the Crusades, then play a Gun Smuggler for the mob in the 1920's and then play a High School Principle in the 1960's.
You should watch BIllions!
"I SAID GOOD DAY......"
LOL, nice "Charlie" reference.
Hamilton: The Original Warmongering Neocon.
No he was not a war monger he wanted to keep the republic safe and to set up a banking and financial stability. We had capital and Congress couldn't decide what to do. Hamilton made those decisions and was then shot before everything could be put in motion.
PierzStyx Lmao shut up, war against France would have killed the Great Satan before it became the tumor it is now. Hamilton’s plans failing were a tragedy
Warmonger, maybe. Neocon though? The guy was an abolitionist 90 years before Lincoln.
Obviously not today. But neocons by definition are conservatives, and opposing slavery in the 18th century was extremely progressive.
@@MrSupdup Human beings can be an interesting mix of multitudes of both conservative and liberal ideals.
John Adams doesn't have a real job anyway
+Sofie Moerman President of the United States was not a real job?
+Ebony Plummer It was a Hamilton (the musical) reference ;)
I know it comes from Hamilton, it just irks me, because I respect John Adams greatly.
+Ebony Plummer that line came before Adams was president and it's one of two lines where Hamilton talks of Adams. The other one is his response to Adam's insults certainly isn't anti Adams. It's a play about Hamilton and Hamilton disliked Adams so why is it bad if Hamilton (insults) him?
+Ebony Plummer that line came before Adams was president and it's one of two lines where Hamilton talks of Adams. The other one is his response to Adam's insults certainly isn't anti Adams. It's a play about Hamilton and Hamilton disliked Adams so why is it bad if Hamilton (insults) him?
Hamilton did say the greatest man who ever lived was Julius Caesar. It's not surprising he intended to form an empire. He basically wanted to keep the British Empire's economic and monetary policy in order to finance it. He envied the British Empire and wanted to copy its political and economic system (corruption and all); essentially keeping the new Union British, but instead of being ruled by London, be ruled in New York (the original capital). It's a key reason why he needed the national bank (which was based on the Bank of England) to pass...and wanted Washington to be King.