Looks like he stopped uploading. But the only good advice you can trust from a RUclips comment is to stay away from complicated, and don't stop tinkering. Carbon/alu shafts, "extra FOC", or just about anything else unique is probably more of a gimmick or gag than anything useful. FMJ arrows bend easily, you can find brass and steel inserts cheap and they're universal, and there's plenty of heavy carbon shafts out there. Don't buy one manufacturer's hype. If it's bright and shiny, trying to grab your attention, it's probably crap. If it's subdued, and just says "it's straight, durable, and gets the job done" you'll probably be happier with it. Generalization, here. I have $9 arrows from Cabela's that fucking rock, but aren't terribly durable. I have $25 arrows I built that are tough, but it's costly and time consuming to fine tune the recipe. Insert/outsert combos are very tough, but cost more and may not meet all of your needs. Standard inserts can leave your shaft vulnerable, possibly costing more in the long run. Prioritize what you want based on what, where, and how often you shoot, and don't be afraid to experiment. Worst case scenario you don't like the combo and have to buy more, but you learned something from it.
Thank you so much! And of course, my job is to provide what you want to see. Let me know if there is anything else I can do to improve the videos, I'm always trying to make them better!
Those unbiased arrow reviews made me a subscriber! Massive respect for the amount of work you put on those, thanks!!! Those are really valuable information!
You make great videos. Thank you for being informative and direct. Too many youtubers are worried about clickbait garbage, this is refreshing. I’ll be directing my buddies this way. Great job buddy, keep it up.
Thank you so much, that means a lot! That's exactly what I'm trying to do and I'm glad I could provide you with some value. Again, I really appreciate it.
Well well Samuel does it again ... fantastic informative and knowledgeable video .... this guy should be paid for what he does on here ... Good stuff bud.... ^5 as always
Sam, These are quite interesting results. I have not read all the comments, but is interesting to look at the list so far by company. It seems manufacturing process by company is a clear differentiator. I am just now getting into archery in my 50s and it is great to learn from someone with your level of skill, expertise and passion. Thank you for your helpful content.
Thanks you so much Geoff! You're completely right, once you take a look at the average quality numbers by brand, you can clearly see how they differentiate in manufacturing processes, as well as quality control. I really appreciate the kind words. Thanks for watching! Here's the full board of arrows and their rankings so you don't have to pause it on the video: www.strongshotarchery.com/arrowreviewboard
Big fan of what you are doing. I was a competition archer 24 years ago and still have my Vintage Hoyt Bow with Easton X7 Arrows. I love it and it still shoots great! Would love to collaborate with you sometime if we ever get the opportunity! Please keep up the great work!
@@SamuelWhiteArchery some would be after 10 shots and some would last months. The quality control of them is the only major downfall I've found in them. And I've bought several from different batches over the years and they all have surprised me. I'm happy with my "mossy oak" arrows
@@joshuascott7935 Even with the quality control issues, they're so cheap that you could replace them no problem. That does suck that they could go bad in 10 shots though. Anyways, thanks for watching Joshua, I really appreciate it!
I've been using Black Eagle Carnivores for a few years now. They are an excellent hunting shaft. And I've used them as an experiment in indoor 5-spot. I believe due to their 19/64th" diameter and actual field results they allow an animal pass thru easier? Tough and resilient. I'm using a 42 grain brass insert with 125 grain Black Hornet. I've tried several style vanes. With those broadheads a 3degree left helical seems to be slightly better at 35+ yardages. Especially in winds up to 20 mph? Naturally, winds above that and 35+ yards there is always some drift but not enough out to 50 yards or so to worry about missing the vitals on deer, pigs, etc.
For those unfamiliar, or those just wanting a bit more perspective, grains are an older method of measurement, I only know arrows use grains as measurement. For nonmetric viewers, you need 7000 grains to make a pound of arrows, you also need 2.2 pounds to make a kilo. So about 15400 grains make a kilo. Hope this gives perspective and helps a bit!
Three years ago I did not have much money and bought three of the Mossy Oak arrows and seen how well they performed and have used them since. And as far as penetration all the deer I have harvested have had complete pass through. Even the one in my recent video that went through both shoulders.
Hey on the whole Walmart arrows subject. I'd be interested to see how the Bone Collector arrows stack up. They're probably the same arrows as the mossy oak just with a different sticker and vanes. But hey, great factual reviews my man!
When I checked those Bone Collector arrows out at Walmart, they definitely didn't look like Victorys. The nocks were kind of strange looking. I'll see if I can get my hands on them sometime in the future. Thanks for watching John!
Hey Sam, would love to see a video on how one would get into shooting tournaments. You being a shooter in the pro class with no sponsors it seems like you’d have some good insight. I feel like a lot of new archers think all competitive shooters are sponsored(getting free gear, getting to/from shoots, tools and whatnot). Would love to hear how you’re able to compete independently. Keep the awesome content coming
I did not know that the Walmart brand, Mossy Oak Arrows, were manufactured by Victory! I have shot Mossy Oak Arrows in the past, and I have experienced very positive results. Now I know why, that was, thank you for sharing this video!
it would be difficult to say immediately that one arrow would perform better than others given the biggest actors of penetration are the broadhead, arrow weight, and momentum values derived from weight.
@@LimbDrivenTV but arrow weight and momentum are characteristics of the arrow itself. If the head was kept the same through all tests, the test data would be relevant. Though I'm not sure it's really needed, because as you say penetration is largely a factor of of easily measurable data. You don't need to set up an actual test, just weight the shaft.
@@brentmitchell6411 The issue is that not all arrow weight is equal. The distribution of weight will be a factor in how the arrow performs. One arrow with higher FOC will out penetrate and arrow of identical characteristics but lower FOC. Depending on how you build your arrow, what tip weight, and how much brass you use in the insert will change your FOC values and may favor having a lighter GPI shaft. The Ashby studies break down how an arrow reacts on impact and why FOC makes a difference in penetration.
Awesome video again. My mind is blown at the amount of work that goes into each of these videos. As I was watching I began wondering...is there a durability issue with these cheaper arrows. So their straight and consistent but will they break more easily?
Thank you again for your kind words, it means a lot. You're exactly right, these things take so long to put together, haha! I've been asking past users of the Mossy Oaks about durability, and 1 guy has had some issues with carbon splinters (a few arrows over time), and the other guy has had no issues at all. I'd love to do some stress tests in the future, but that's not in the budget for now. In regard to your comment on one of my other videos, I'm in the works on some similar style broadhead reviews like you said. Prepare for your mind to be blown some more, lol! Thanks again for all of your support.
I would still take the Gold Tip over the Easton Axis simply for toughness and fact that the insert system for the axis is garbage. I hope Gold Tip sees this video.
I would love to see you get something more consistent to spin the arrows with especially since you are already using such precise measuring tools as is. You are still doing an awesome job though. Keep it up.
Hey Justin! What do you mean? I'm assuming you're meaning how there were a few bumps while I was spinning the arrows. I wasn't actually measuring the arrows when I was filming. I was a LOT more consistent when I was measuring for results. I didn't put too much attention to it when I was filming. Thanks for watching the videos and for the great feedback!
@@SamuelWhiteArchery Ah! That makes more sense. An interesting comparison for you might be finding off brand arrows like the korean made cartel triple neo arrows (A/C/E like arrow) or if you really want to try something interesting try and get your hands on the Chinese made Bee arrows. They are an amazing answer to the x10's and they shoot just as good as them for less than half the price of just the x10 shafts. I will be getting some myself from a friend who's gone over to china for a little while.
@@SamuelWhiteArchery Let me see if I can finally get this reply out for the 6th time haha. I kept having to go do something else and forgetting to save the comment before closing so here goes. You are doing a bang up job in that case. I love the work you're putting into this and have seen the wall mart arrows vid too. 10/10 Stuff you have going. Thanks for clearing up how you are measuring it. I think something you might really get a kick out of is trying "copycat arrows" I've been shooting some arrows called cartel triple's (Now called cartel triple Neo) They are A/C/E knock offs. There are also another more seriously impressive arrows called bee arrows from china. They might be a lot harder to get a hold of unless you can find someone in china that can get them for you. They are a competitor to x10's but less than half the price of x10's and shoot just as good. I'm getting some myself soon. Also as a side note if you ever get a hooter shooter then you should run your tests again with it and see what changes when you take the human element out of it. P.s. Sorry for the wall of text
@@SamuelWhiteArchery I like the way you provide useful information in your reviews. I don't know of any other arrow review that has compared arrows this way.
I’m definitely gonna pick up some of those mossy oaks! I’d love to see some testing on some more budget small shaft diameter arrows Especially 5mm or 4mm if possible I’d also love to see taper shaft stuff like the T64 FMJ
Joshua Scott I love them too but I really want to see if there’s anything decent about the cheaper small shaft stuff for the better flight and penetration they can offer
Samuel White it’s crazy stuff man! But so far you’re the only person I’ve ever found doing this kind of thing Is it possible to get those mossy oaks as bare shafts? I kinda wanna pick up some to build up and use to put in my own inserts and knocks
Hopefully I can get my hands on some more soon, but next video will for sure have the Black Eagle Rampage (0.001")! Do you have any specific arrows you want to see?
I don't shoot professional but I have bought both very expensive and the Walmart brand. Personally, I can't tell a difference between the 5$ arrows from Walmart or the 20$ arrows from the bow shop. Plus, the Walmart arrows hurts my wallet a lot less when my arrows are lost or broken.
Looking forward to next review. I'm shooting VAP TKO V3 now (you can find them on Ebay for $79.95 for 12) want to see if going to V1 is worth it (double the price) If you want to test VAP TKO V3, I have another dozen I didn't assemble yet that I could loan you for testing.
That would be great! I recently got my hands on some VAP TKO V1's, so that would make an awesome test. I really want to see the true difference between the v3 and the v1. Shoot me a dm on discord and we can figure it out.
My Mossy Oak 350's out shoot my Gold Tip Hunter XT's, and Easton MM arrows that are .001, even at long range. The groups are always lasers, and their durability haven't let me down
Good reviews even if those wallmart-options aren't available here Europe. Seems that Victory made arrows are pretty good over all, no matter what label they're sold =)
Thank you! Hopefully I'll review some good quality options that are available in Europe at some point. I agree, Victory really seems to consistently provide quality no matter the type or price. It's pretty dang impressive. Thanks for watching!
I would like to see you give the gold tip envy x5 blackout another try to see if you get different outcome and how much it could vary on the 2nd chance . Better or worse.. Great video and very informative good job
Thank you! You're completely right, every line is +/- .0005". For a moment you had me scared that I had my measurements all wrong, haha! Thanks for watching
Thank you so much! No, I haven't been able to do the SR6 yet, but I have done a review on the SS. I'll put that link here: ruclips.net/video/addfsZbRyVg/видео.html
I found Easton carbon storm from a website $64.99/ dozen. Seems like a fantastic value. I haven’t seen any reviews on this arrow anywhere though. I see on your table it scored pretty high up there. Did you make a video on this arrow?
I'd like to see how the ArrowTech arrows perform in your testing! They are very consistent flyers for me. For the most part they fly better than all of my victory's.
@@SamuelWhiteArchery They are a new company out of California. They make hunting and competition arrows. I have the AK's (heavy hunting arrow) they are great. I'd love to try their MT (their new .204 heavy hunting arrow) I think they are mostly online until they get more retailers. www.arrowtecharchery.com/
Hopefully you get around to testing the Easton FMJ Injexion, The penetration on them is amazing same with The Easton FMJ Taper 64 they seem to both fly fantastic from my bow? I have a hard time deciding which to shoot. I like the Taper 64 with the Tooth of the Arrow XL broad heads they fly so good in my opinion. Anyway I hope they make the testing cut.
did you cut the shafts or did you get them uncut? I am asking this because if an arrow shaft is cut on a unstraight end, it will be straighter and thus preform higher than factory spects. Otherwise I appreciate you making this!
Do you test for durability? That's a big selling point for me. Did you make the higher end arrow comparison? Can't find it on your channel. Also curious about gt airstrikes. Heard it's the black label quantum without the coating, would love to see your test rests on those two
Just an idea, would it not be more cost effective to just buy shafts rather than complete arrows? At least for the ones that are easily available that way, granted these are likely to be more high or mid priced options.
That's a good point, I'll definitely be looking into that. The problem is that some of the arrows are only sold in the dozen (depending on the retailer), but that's definitely something to look at. Thanks for the feedback!
Samuel White yeah you’re definitely gonna be limited to the choices versus a dozen in a box but especially with pricey stuff from Easton, Gold Tip and Victory there’s savings to be made. It’s quite specific but what I’d like to see is the real world difference between the grades of arrows. Like between match grade and normal or the V6/V3/V1 for VAPs (this is of interest to me as I usually get VAPs and TKOs in V3 as I don’t feel my results vary much with them vs the V1 graded ones. This could be explained by many other factors than the arrow however (I’m ok but no pro that’s for sure)
Have you Checked the Victory Decimator arrows? They are often on sale for 20$ and I am pretty sure they are the same as the mambas, if that is the case they have to be the best value out there
that's kind of nuts...the mossy oak/victory from Walmart? which might handle arrows poorly/storage etc? stupid to worry about Walmart Anything? Anyway, Awesome. thanks again. hmmm. what arrows to get.
That's a really good point, most of the time it's the stock products of the manufacturer. In this case, it's Victory nocks, but in other cases it could be Easton or Gold Tip nocks. Thanks for watching!
Samuel White I bought a half dozen mossy oak last fall. They really did shoot nice but there wasn’t a lot of penetration shooting my halon at 70 pounds. And had a few insert issues. Other than that no complaints. Good arrow for target shooting. Bone collector has a pretty solid arrow and they are a bit thinner than others.
Would love to see victory carbon trace arrows my archery shop seems to be obsessed with them and the owner swears by them being the best cheapest arrow on the market at $7.50 USD each but he has sold me junk in the past in the broadheads section so now I'm extremely weary about buying anything from him anymore.
Great video, but I found myself trying to understand what each category meant. Though the categories it may seem obvious to some, I was lost in the sauce.
Yeah, Victory and Easton consistently seem to provide quality manufacturing and great quality control. It will be interesting to see what happens once I start throwing in more Black Eagles and lesser known brands. Thanks for watching!
Measuring the straightness at the nock like that could be affecting your results. Any oblong-ness there would give you bogus results. Have you done repeated testing on a reference arrow as a control before each test. I would think it should be repeatable but would be interesting.
I'm measuring on the nock end of the shaft, not the actual nock. I hope that makes sense. But you're completely right, if I was measuring on the nock, my results would be total bogus, haha! Thanks for watching.
Whenever i get settled on target my pins are always below the target.No matter what i do or even if i aim above it, they always end up low and i always end up having to fight it back up, do you know how to fix this?
Have you ever tested the beman ICS hunter classic arrows with XPV vanes 340? These are what I’m using because that is what the archery store by me told me I should use.
Do arrows become less straight or strong the more you shoot them and how long should I use them? I always wondered this, but I don’t have the equipment to test this.
From what I've heard, aluminum arrows often bend over time, and carbon arrows will have spine degradation over time as well. I'm doing long-term tests on this now, so I don't have any results yet. I'll likely do a video on this in the future! Thanks for watching Tanner.
I looked online for the Mossy Oak 60-75 lb and could not find them, even on walmart.com Any clues?? I'm a bang for the buck kinda guy and would really like to try these.
Would be cool to see how the standard diameter carbon express maxim reds line up. I have been reevaluating my arrow choice and these videos have been so helpful. In your opinion is there really a benefit of small and micro diameter shafts in a hunting situation.
could you please do the ones you find at bass pro, there is so many i didnt know which ones i choose. i did blackout brand but they have 3-4 different brands. great video though makes me feel better and not spending too much for my arrows paid 50 bucks for a dozen arrows. would be cool to do broad head kill potential.
The arrow companies probably didn't like what he was doing and got him to stop. Or he just wasn't getting the support need to justify the research. I mean it is an expensive series to make, as well as time consuming.
@@justalott looks like a lot of his content disappeared, as did his website. I was really looking forward to an unbiased and data-driven review. I say unbiased, but I noticed he likes victory arrows. We'll just have to do our own.
@@justalott I ain't got the cash or the skills as of yet, so don't ask me. However I do tend to record all of my own tinkering. Biggest issue is that you get guys like Ranch Fairy who have serious confirmation bias. Yes their data is correct, but there's always a piece of information they leave out that balanced their point of view. What good is a ton of kinetic energy if my sight maxes out at 40 yards and the buck is at 50? Then there's guys that have logical points, but never produce data to back it up, and don't challenge their points with proper data. They'll say "I've been doing it for 30 years and there's no issue" but they've never tried to make the other thing work. Is there such a thing as over-spined arrows? Do you actually need spin? Are pin nocks more accurate? And other questions. There's a huge niche for that in the online archery community.
this is honestly one of the most valued video series ive seen on youtube, this should have WAY more views then it does...
The ProjectFarm of the archery world! Thank you for this series. Just bought a bow this week and I am in need of arrows.
Looks like he stopped uploading. But the only good advice you can trust from a RUclips comment is to stay away from complicated, and don't stop tinkering.
Carbon/alu shafts, "extra FOC", or just about anything else unique is probably more of a gimmick or gag than anything useful. FMJ arrows bend easily, you can find brass and steel inserts cheap and they're universal, and there's plenty of heavy carbon shafts out there. Don't buy one manufacturer's hype.
If it's bright and shiny, trying to grab your attention, it's probably crap. If it's subdued, and just says "it's straight, durable, and gets the job done" you'll probably be happier with it. Generalization, here. I have $9 arrows from Cabela's that fucking rock, but aren't terribly durable. I have $25 arrows I built that are tough, but it's costly and time consuming to fine tune the recipe.
Insert/outsert combos are very tough, but cost more and may not meet all of your needs. Standard inserts can leave your shaft vulnerable, possibly costing more in the long run. Prioritize what you want based on what, where, and how often you shoot, and don't be afraid to experiment. Worst case scenario you don't like the combo and have to buy more, but you learned something from it.
Love this series! Thanks so much for listening to what your subs want to see. Stoked for the next line up.
Thank you so much! And of course, my job is to provide what you want to see. Let me know if there is anything else I can do to improve the videos, I'm always trying to make them better!
Samuel White I would love to see you review the gold tip hunter xt! Just because it’s the arrows I shoot and would like some more info on them
The one dislike is from GoldTip's YT account. 😆
HAHAHA!
And the other 3 are from alt accounts
Those unbiased arrow reviews made me a subscriber! Massive respect for the amount of work you put on those, thanks!!! Those are really valuable information!
You make great videos. Thank you for being informative and direct. Too many youtubers are worried about clickbait garbage, this is refreshing. I’ll be directing my buddies this way.
Great job buddy, keep it up.
Thank you so much, that means a lot! That's exactly what I'm trying to do and I'm glad I could provide you with some value. Again, I really appreciate it.
Love this channel for the simple fact of ephesus on arrows, no other channel on youtube does this.
Thanks Paul, that means a lot!
Well well Samuel does it again ... fantastic informative and knowledgeable video .... this guy should be paid for what he does on here ... Good stuff bud.... ^5 as always
Thank you so much Yvan, I appreciate your kind words! I'm going to keep at it, and we'll see where it goes.
There are actually websites where he can get paid to give his opinion on certain products.
Sam,
These are quite interesting results. I have not read all the comments, but is interesting to look at the list so far by company. It seems manufacturing process by company is a clear differentiator. I am just now getting into archery in my 50s and it is great to learn from someone with your level of skill, expertise and passion. Thank you for your helpful content.
Thanks you so much Geoff! You're completely right, once you take a look at the average quality numbers by brand, you can clearly see how they differentiate in manufacturing processes, as well as quality control. I really appreciate the kind words. Thanks for watching!
Here's the full board of arrows and their rankings so you don't have to pause it on the video: www.strongshotarchery.com/arrowreviewboard
This is some of the best testing of hunting gear I've ever seen. Keep up the good work awesome video.
Big fan of what you are doing. I was a competition archer 24 years ago and still have my Vintage Hoyt Bow with Easton X7 Arrows. I love it and it still shoots great! Would love to collaborate with you sometime if we ever get the opportunity! Please keep up the great work!
It would be awesome to meet you. Thank you so much Chase, I appreciate the support!
I always like using the Walmart "mossy oak" arrows. I've never had anything bad go on with them
I was extremely surprised by their incredible performance! Is the durability good with them?
@@SamuelWhiteArchery The ones I had werent bad at all. I've had a few that developed splinters but you could have that with any arrow imo.
How long did it take for a few to splinter?Nonetheless, that's not bad at all for the price!
@@SamuelWhiteArchery some would be after 10 shots and some would last months. The quality control of them is the only major downfall I've found in them. And I've bought several from different batches over the years and they all have surprised me. I'm happy with my "mossy oak" arrows
@@joshuascott7935 Even with the quality control issues, they're so cheap that you could replace them no problem. That does suck that they could go bad in 10 shots though. Anyways, thanks for watching Joshua, I really appreciate it!
I've been using Black Eagle Carnivores for a few years now. They are an excellent hunting shaft. And I've used them as an experiment in indoor 5-spot. I believe due to their 19/64th" diameter and actual field results they allow an animal pass thru easier? Tough and resilient. I'm using a 42 grain brass insert with 125 grain Black Hornet. I've tried several style vanes. With those broadheads a 3degree left helical seems to be slightly better at 35+ yardages. Especially in winds up to 20 mph? Naturally, winds above that and 35+ yards there is always some drift but not enough out to 50 yards or so to worry about missing the vitals on deer, pigs, etc.
Common Samuel, we need some more of your awesome arrow reviews!
finally found a walmart that had arrows, I have easton axis arrows right now, but will give the mossy oaks a try. Thanks my dude
For those unfamiliar, or those just wanting a bit more perspective, grains are an older method of measurement, I only know arrows use grains as measurement. For nonmetric viewers, you need 7000 grains to make a pound of arrows, you also need 2.2 pounds to make a kilo. So about 15400 grains make a kilo. Hope this gives perspective and helps a bit!
Cant wait for your higher end arrow review, awesome content! thanks
Me neither, I'm pumped to let you guys know what I found! Thanks for watching
Three years ago I did not have much money and bought three of the Mossy Oak arrows and seen how well they performed and have used them since. And as far as penetration all the deer I have harvested have had complete pass through. Even the one in my recent video that went through both shoulders.
Well dang! That's impressive, what draw weight were you shooting?
@@SamuelWhiteArchery PSE Brute X 70 lb, 100 gr G5 Montec, 28" Mossy Oak from Wally World
GOD DAMN GREAT VID!!! This guy needs way more subscriptions and views!!!
Again love the short direct simple way you rate arrows great information
Hey on the whole Walmart arrows subject. I'd be interested to see how the Bone Collector arrows stack up. They're probably the same arrows as the mossy oak just with a different sticker and vanes. But hey, great factual reviews my man!
When I checked those Bone Collector arrows out at Walmart, they definitely didn't look like Victorys. The nocks were kind of strange looking. I'll see if I can get my hands on them sometime in the future. Thanks for watching John!
@@SamuelWhiteArchery I have a set of 6 I'll send you. But I have shot 3 of the 6 arrows maybe 10 times. Let me know.
I'm so glad I was cheap and bought like 10 of the 29" 350 Mossy Oak arrows at Walmart on clearance for $3.00 a piece.
Picked up the Mossy Oaks today. Thanks!
Excellent data and information
Keep up the great videos, so interesting and valuable
Thanks Ian, that means a lot! I'm glad I could provide you with some value.
Keep the videos coming, you do an awesome job 👍
Thank you so much!
I love these arrow reviews. Thanks for creating them. I'm now a subscriber.
Hey Sam, would love to see a video on how one would get into shooting tournaments. You being a shooter in the pro class with no sponsors it seems like you’d have some good insight. I feel like a lot of new archers think all competitive shooters are sponsored(getting free gear, getting to/from shoots, tools and whatnot). Would love to hear how you’re able to compete independently. Keep the awesome content coming
I did not know that the Walmart brand, Mossy Oak Arrows, were manufactured by Victory! I have shot Mossy Oak Arrows in the past, and I have experienced very positive results. Now I know why, that was, thank you for sharing this video!
Great Review!! Looking forward to your review on the higher end arrows.
Thanks Doug, I really appreciate it!
You should add a penetration test as part of your tests for hunting arrows
I've definitely been looking into that! Those would step up the reviews to a whole other level. Thanks for watching!
Maybe you could calculate the FOC of the arrows? I know the tips you chose effect this but it’s just a thought.
it would be difficult to say immediately that one arrow would perform better than others given the biggest actors of penetration are the broadhead, arrow weight, and momentum values derived from weight.
@@LimbDrivenTV but arrow weight and momentum are characteristics of the arrow itself. If the head was kept the same through all tests, the test data would be relevant. Though I'm not sure it's really needed, because as you say penetration is largely a factor of of easily measurable data. You don't need to set up an actual test, just weight the shaft.
@@brentmitchell6411 The issue is that not all arrow weight is equal. The distribution of weight will be a factor in how the arrow performs. One arrow with higher FOC will out penetrate and arrow of identical characteristics but lower FOC. Depending on how you build your arrow, what tip weight, and how much brass you use in the insert will change your FOC values and may favor having a lighter GPI shaft. The Ashby studies break down how an arrow reacts on impact and why FOC makes a difference in penetration.
Nice job on the video - well organized with clear information - good comparison
Thank you for doing this review you have help a lot of archers what arrows to buy.
Thank you so much, I'm glad to help!
Really like your reviews. Another good Victory off brand are the Buck Busters....
Awesome video again. My mind is blown at the amount of work that goes into each of these videos.
As I was watching I began wondering...is there a durability issue with these cheaper arrows. So their straight and consistent but will they break more easily?
Thank you again for your kind words, it means a lot. You're exactly right, these things take so long to put together, haha! I've been asking past users of the Mossy Oaks about durability, and 1 guy has had some issues with carbon splinters (a few arrows over time), and the other guy has had no issues at all. I'd love to do some stress tests in the future, but that's not in the budget for now.
In regard to your comment on one of my other videos, I'm in the works on some similar style broadhead reviews like you said. Prepare for your mind to be blown some more, lol! Thanks again for all of your support.
Samuel White awe yeah! Can’t wait!
@@TheBudgetSportsman Let's definitely connect! I'll put my email here and we can talk further. SamuelWhiteArchery@gmail.com
Thank you! The data shown in this one is what I wanted to see!
Perfect! Let me know if there is anything else that could make the videos better, I'm always trying to improve. Thanks for watching!
I’ve been wondering, why can’t I find my mossy oak arrows at Walmart? Now I see why.
I would still take the Gold Tip over the Easton Axis simply for toughness and fact that the insert system for the axis is garbage. I hope Gold Tip sees this video.
I would love to see you get something more consistent to spin the arrows with especially since you are already using such precise measuring tools as is. You are still doing an awesome job though. Keep it up.
Hey Justin! What do you mean? I'm assuming you're meaning how there were a few bumps while I was spinning the arrows. I wasn't actually measuring the arrows when I was filming. I was a LOT more consistent when I was measuring for results. I didn't put too much attention to it when I was filming. Thanks for watching the videos and for the great feedback!
@@SamuelWhiteArchery Ah! That makes more sense. An interesting comparison for you might be finding off brand arrows like the korean made cartel triple neo arrows (A/C/E like arrow) or if you really want to try something interesting try and get your hands on the Chinese made Bee arrows. They are an amazing answer to the x10's and they shoot just as good as them for less than half the price of just the x10 shafts. I will be getting some myself from a friend who's gone over to china for a little while.
@@SamuelWhiteArchery Let me see if I can finally get this reply out for the 6th time haha. I kept having to go do something else and forgetting to save the comment before closing so here goes. You are doing a bang up job in that case. I love the work you're putting into this and have seen the wall mart arrows vid too. 10/10 Stuff you have going. Thanks for clearing up how you are measuring it. I think something you might really get a kick out of is trying "copycat arrows" I've been shooting some arrows called cartel triple's (Now called cartel triple Neo) They are A/C/E knock offs. There are also another more seriously impressive arrows called bee arrows from china. They might be a lot harder to get a hold of unless you can find someone in china that can get them for you. They are a competitor to x10's but less than half the price of x10's and shoot just as good. I'm getting some myself soon. Also as a side note if you ever get a hooter shooter then you should run your tests again with it and see what changes when you take the human element out of it.
P.s. Sorry for the wall of text
Awesome video as always. I'm going out to get some Mossy Oak arrows
I really appreciate it John! Thank's for supporting the reviews on the GoFundMe
@@SamuelWhiteArchery I like the way you provide useful information in your reviews. I don't know of any other arrow review that has compared arrows this way.
Unfortunately looks like the Walmart arrows are now manufactured by a company called Aldila not Victory 😕
What’s awesome is that for less than a tank of gas you can fill a quiver with arrows that almost no human I know could outshoot.
Be awesome to see you test the .003 RIPs, maybe even the .005's
Would love to see you test some carbon Express predator 2
I'll see if I can get my hands on them at some point, thanks for watching!
Just subbed to your channel, keep at it man!
I’m definitely gonna pick up some of those mossy oaks!
I’d love to see some testing on some more budget small shaft diameter arrows
Especially 5mm or 4mm if possible
I’d also love to see taper shaft stuff like the T64 FMJ
I personally love the cheap walmart arrows. And it doesnt sting as bad on the wallet when you break them or fuck them up
I'll see what I can do. DANG, those T64 FMJ's are expensive!!! Haha, thanks for watching
Joshua Scott I love them too but I really want to see if there’s anything decent about the cheaper small shaft stuff for the better flight and penetration they can offer
Samuel White it’s crazy stuff man!
But so far you’re the only person I’ve ever found doing this kind of thing
Is it possible to get those mossy oaks as bare shafts?
I kinda wanna pick up some to build up and use to put in my own inserts and knocks
@@MyLonewolf25 They are re-branded Victory Vforce V6 Sport, you can get them as shafts. $59.63 for a dozen on Amazon
You should review black eagle. I hear they are pretty solid
Hopefully I can get my hands on some more soon, but next video will for sure have the Black Eagle Rampage (0.001")! Do you have any specific arrows you want to see?
What arrows do you want to see next?
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Does anyone know the spine, gpi and ID of the Mossy Oak Walmart arrows?
I don't shoot professional but I have bought both very expensive and the Walmart brand. Personally, I can't tell a difference between the 5$ arrows from Walmart or the 20$ arrows from the bow shop. Plus, the Walmart arrows hurts my wallet a lot less when my arrows are lost or broken.
Looking forward to next review. I'm shooting VAP TKO V3 now (you can find them on Ebay for $79.95 for 12) want to see if going to V1 is worth it (double the price)
If you want to test VAP TKO V3, I have another dozen I didn't assemble yet that I could loan you for testing.
That would be great! I recently got my hands on some VAP TKO V1's, so that would make an awesome test. I really want to see the true difference between the v3 and the v1. Shoot me a dm on discord and we can figure it out.
@@SamuelWhiteArchery I will send you DM on Instagram, don't remember my password on Discord :(
Did you ever do the #4 arrow review video with the high end arrows? I didnt see it on your channel. Extremely interested....
My Mossy Oak 350's out shoot my Gold Tip Hunter XT's, and Easton MM arrows that are .001, even at long range. The groups are always lasers, and their durability haven't let me down
Good reviews even if those wallmart-options aren't available here Europe. Seems that Victory made arrows are pretty good over all, no matter what label they're sold =)
Thank you! Hopefully I'll review some good quality options that are available in Europe at some point. I agree, Victory really seems to consistently provide quality no matter the type or price. It's pretty dang impressive. Thanks for watching!
I would like to see you give the gold tip envy x5 blackout another try to see if you get different outcome and how much it could vary on the 2nd chance . Better or worse.. Great video and very informative good job
Dont forget that every 2 lines on the Ram tester is .001". Every line is a .0005"
Thank you! You're completely right, every line is +/- .0005". For a moment you had me scared that I had my measurements all wrong, haha! Thanks for watching
Great video man, did you ever put a video or on those premium arrows?
Really like the arrow comparison videos, any chance you could try some skylon arrows in your next one? Seem to be great value and quality
Grrat review had to subscribe. Thanks for this review. Have you done a review on the SR6 yet?
Thank you so much! No, I haven't been able to do the SR6 yet, but I have done a review on the SS. I'll put that link here: ruclips.net/video/addfsZbRyVg/видео.html
@@SamuelWhiteArchery great thank you. I'll check it out
What did the Walmart arrows weigh gpi?
I found Easton carbon storm from a website $64.99/ dozen. Seems like a fantastic value. I haven’t seen any reviews on this arrow anywhere though. I see on your table it scored pretty high up there. Did you make a video on this arrow?
Can you please next time film the process when you measure the arrows? Would like it to be more then just a litel clip you seen in your vids..
I'd like to see how the ArrowTech arrows perform in your testing! They are very consistent flyers for me. For the most part they fly better than all of my victory's.
Dang, really? I'll definitely have to check them out. Where could I get them?
@@SamuelWhiteArchery They are a new company out of California. They make hunting and competition arrows. I have the AK's (heavy hunting arrow) they are great. I'd love to try their MT (their new .204 heavy hunting arrow) I think they are mostly online until they get more retailers.
www.arrowtecharchery.com/
Huh, i should look at these victory arrows more
Hopefully you get around to testing the Easton FMJ Injexion, The penetration on them is amazing same with The Easton FMJ Taper 64 they seem to both fly fantastic from my bow? I have a hard time deciding which to shoot. I like the Taper 64 with the Tooth of the Arrow XL broad heads they fly so good in my opinion. Anyway I hope they make the testing cut.
I'll definitely take a look at getting my hands on those! Thanks for watching, I really appreciate it.
Wondering if you have looked at the Victory Buck Buster arrows?
Where is the video of the higher end arrow review?
did you cut the shafts or did you get them uncut? I am asking this because if an arrow shaft is cut on a unstraight end, it will be straighter and thus preform higher than factory spects. Otherwise I appreciate you making this!
You should review the bone collector arrows at walmart too.
I've had a few people request those, so it's definitely on the to-do list. Thanks for watching AJ!
Do you test for durability? That's a big selling point for me. Did you make the higher end arrow comparison? Can't find it on your channel. Also curious about gt airstrikes. Heard it's the black label quantum without the coating, would love to see your test rests on those two
Just an idea, would it not be more cost effective to just buy shafts rather than complete arrows? At least for the ones that are easily available that way, granted these are likely to be more high or mid priced options.
That's a good point, I'll definitely be looking into that. The problem is that some of the arrows are only sold in the dozen (depending on the retailer), but that's definitely something to look at. Thanks for the feedback!
Samuel White yeah you’re definitely gonna be limited to the choices versus a dozen in a box but especially with pricey stuff from Easton, Gold Tip and Victory there’s savings to be made.
It’s quite specific but what I’d like to see is the real world difference between the grades of arrows. Like between match grade and normal or the V6/V3/V1 for VAPs (this is of interest to me as I usually get VAPs and TKOs in V3 as I don’t feel my results vary much with them vs the V1 graded ones. This could be explained by many other factors than the arrow however (I’m ok but no pro that’s for sure)
You should do the carbon express maxima reds, heard those were snake oil.
Have you Checked the Victory Decimator arrows? They are often on sale for 20$ and I am pretty sure they are the same as the mambas, if that is the case they have to be the best value out there
that's kind of nuts...the mossy oak/victory from Walmart? which might handle arrows poorly/storage etc? stupid to worry about Walmart Anything? Anyway, Awesome. thanks again. hmmm. what arrows to get.
How do components come into play? I could see crummy nocks and inserts being an issue with the walmart arrows in particular.
That's a really good point, most of the time it's the stock products of the manufacturer. In this case, it's Victory nocks, but in other cases it could be Easton or Gold Tip nocks. Thanks for watching!
Samuel White I bought a half dozen mossy oak last fall. They really did shoot nice but there wasn’t a lot of penetration shooting my halon at 70 pounds. And had a few insert issues. Other than that no complaints. Good arrow for target shooting. Bone collector has a pretty solid arrow and they are a bit thinner than others.
Did you get a cease and desist or something like that? Why did these videos end?
Would like to see Deer Crossing Archery arrow review!
You should review the guide gear trophy hunter pro arrows
Would love to see victory carbon trace arrows my archery shop seems to be obsessed with them and the owner swears by them being the best cheapest arrow on the market at $7.50 USD each but he has sold me junk in the past in the broadheads section so now I'm extremely weary about buying anything from him anymore.
You should Do black eagle zombie slayers or the outlaws
Definitely, I'll see if I can get my hands on some at some point. Thanks for watching!
Great video, but I found myself trying to understand what each category meant. Though the categories it may seem obvious to some, I was lost in the sauce.
Of the top 8, five are made by Victory, three by Easton
Very true. Both reputable companies for arrows.
Yeah, Victory and Easton consistently seem to provide quality manufacturing and great quality control. It will be interesting to see what happens once I start throwing in more Black Eagles and lesser known brands. Thanks for watching!
You just sold a ton of mossy oak arrows. I'm going to Wal-Mart today lol
when is the black eagle arrows going to get tested?? been waiting for that!!!
Another great video Sam!
Looks like we found fanboy faster this time around ;)
LOLLLL! Thanks Obelix
Measuring the straightness at the nock like that could be affecting your results. Any oblong-ness there would give you bogus results. Have you done repeated testing on a reference arrow as a control before each test. I would think it should be repeatable but would be interesting.
I'm measuring on the nock end of the shaft, not the actual nock. I hope that makes sense. But you're completely right, if I was measuring on the nock, my results would be total bogus, haha! Thanks for watching.
Try the Kryptos from walmart.
Already on it 😉
@@SamuelWhiteArchery thank you
@@OOOOOO12345 come on now. I don't need anymore only have 60 cut refletched and ready.
Whenever i get settled on target my pins are always below the target.No matter what i do or even if i aim above it, they always end up low and i always end up having to fight it back up, do you know how to fix this?
Have you ever tested the beman ICS hunter classic arrows with XPV vanes 340? These are what I’m using because that is what the archery store by me told me I should use.
Do arrows become less straight or strong the more you shoot them and how long should I use them? I always wondered this, but I don’t have the equipment to test this.
From what I've heard, aluminum arrows often bend over time, and carbon arrows will have spine degradation over time as well. I'm doing long-term tests on this now, so I don't have any results yet. I'll likely do a video on this in the future! Thanks for watching Tanner.
I looked online for the Mossy Oak 60-75 lb and could not find them, even on walmart.com Any clues?? I'm a bang for the buck kinda guy and would really like to try these.
That's strange, maybe they don't hold them in your area. They're on the website for me.
Did you ever happen to find these arrows? I'm having no luck at all
Who makes the arrows for mossy oak?
Would be cool to see how the standard diameter carbon express maxim reds line up. I have been reevaluating my arrow choice and these videos have been so helpful. In your opinion is there really a benefit of small and micro diameter shafts in a hunting situation.
I'm just now running across these reviews and the Red's are currently what I shoot. I would like to see that as well.
Do you know who makes the realtree edge arrows at Walmart??
When is comparison #4 coming?
What is the diameter of the carbon storms
Have you tested the (goldtip tradition classic xt 600 spin)?
Are you planning on testing any Beman arrows?
could you please do the ones you find at bass pro, there is so many i didnt know which ones i choose. i did blackout brand but they have 3-4 different brands.
great video though makes me feel better and not spending too much for my arrows paid 50 bucks for a dozen arrows.
would be cool to do broad head kill potential.
He did those in this video ruclips.net/video/pXBmxXSCK4I/видео.html
Where did you find the easton storms?
Hey any new arrow reviews coming out soon? I’d like to see how much of a difference the Easton arrows are to their match grade options.
What happened to the high end video and to your website?
The arrow companies probably didn't like what he was doing and got him to stop. Or he just wasn't getting the support need to justify the research. I mean it is an expensive series to make, as well as time consuming.
@@justalott looks like a lot of his content disappeared, as did his website. I was really looking forward to an unbiased and data-driven review.
I say unbiased, but I noticed he likes victory arrows. We'll just have to do our own.
@@YoureSoVane maybe somebody can take off where he left off. Using the same metrics to use and ways of measuring.
@@justalott I ain't got the cash or the skills as of yet, so don't ask me. However I do tend to record all of my own tinkering.
Biggest issue is that you get guys like Ranch Fairy who have serious confirmation bias. Yes their data is correct, but there's always a piece of information they leave out that balanced their point of view. What good is a ton of kinetic energy if my sight maxes out at 40 yards and the buck is at 50?
Then there's guys that have logical points, but never produce data to back it up, and don't challenge their points with proper data. They'll say "I've been doing it for 30 years and there's no issue" but they've never tried to make the other thing work. Is there such a thing as over-spined arrows? Do you actually need spin? Are pin nocks more accurate? And other questions. There's a huge niche for that in the online archery community.
@@YoureSoVane fair point