Scottie Pippen is not overrated nor is he underrated. He is a top 50 player, one of the greatest defenders of all time. He is right where he needs to be.
underrated dunker? ive never heard of anybody calling Scottie Pippen an underrated dunker. im pretty sure its been well established that hes one of the all time greatest dunkers! ya cant deny that
Nick Smith NBA for reals it’s nothing flashy just get to the point in your face dunks. When you see pippen start that fast break you know you’re in trouble
People don’t realize Jordan tested pippen everyday at practice pippen earned Jordan’s trust. If Jordan don’t trust you as his teammate he’ll mentally fuck with you look what happened to kwami brown!!!!
Basketball is more then just scoring. Averaging 20 ppg, 9 rebounds, 6 assist and being an elite defender is better then averaging 25 ppg, 5 assist, 5 rebounds and being an average defender
exactly you said it best they was deep so yes Hakeem had a lot of help. the only player who never had much help was Ewing. and The knicks took them too 7 games and if was not for Starks chucking 3s and missing the Knicks would have won. and in the 90s Ewing was the best Center in the league.. Not Hakeem. yes Hakeem is great but Ewing was better making it to a lot of Conference finals and NBA finals 2wice while no help thats greatness.. Like when Kobe went to 3 straight finals without Shaq and won 2 in a row out of the 3 thats greatness. Hakeem had too much help so did Robinson. and so did Lebron. but Curry made his teammates stars while they was nameless by going to 3 straight finals. however Durant was a star but the others ? Curry made them now thats Greatness. as far as Small Forwards go People forget how dominant DR. J was. he is probably better all time at the SF position.
Sugar Ray Dee still a team with only 1 all star, I will admit Jason Terry was pretty good but look at teams nowadays you need 3-4 all stars *cough Warriors cough*
People don't understand many things about the 1994 & 1995 seasons. First, Bulls were in the 6th seed when MJ returned in 1995. They talked like they were 8th or 9th in the East. Second, Pippen was playing his best defensive moment versus the Knicks from game 2 to 6. You can't ask someone to lock the opposite best scorer, rebounds, passes and expects him to be the man on offense. When MJ wasn't able to defend Magic, Barkley or other greats. It was Pippen's duty because Chicago needed Jordan to score, so MJ could take a step back on defense. Yet, Pippen did that all season long. Third, BJ Armstrong was an all-star because a lot of fans (Chicago) voted for him. Armstrong never put all-star caliber numbers ever. Forth, the second scoring option in 1994 was Horace Grant. Grant was a good player, good defender and great rebounder... But not a scorer. And Pippen when running the point help him offensively. Fifth, the Bulls' offense was so fluid due to Pippen's passing abilities. In fact, a lot of players had eFG% career high because Pippen was running the triangle... Still when MJ wasn't there. Phil Jackson in his book stated Pippen was the vocal leader and that he made his teammates better... And many great stated Pippen didn't needed to score to have an impact on the game. Which is rare.
Jon Sinkkonen MJ is a great basketball player but he’s human he needs breaks and he can’t have that intensity on both offense and defense for 35+ minutes so Scottie had to come up and guard the best defender most games so Jordan can play offense a lot better
Actually Pippen help MJ cover some of the best players so he could use more energy an focus on offense. MJ was an amazing defender - maybe the best at SG till maybe the last season as a Bull.
Dave Toussaint I totally agree.. I grew up in tje 90s so i really don't have to do research to understand.. But with Jordan gone the Triangle actually ran alot Smoother more Fluid under Pippen.. That being said the Knicks in the Playoffs was absolutely tough to score on.. And prob should of won a Ring if Starks was able to make a shot
Scottie is an all time great defensive player. When he played with Jordan, he was the defensive stopper for the bulls. He stopped magic johnson in the finals. Jordan cast a shadow so big that whoever played with him would naturally be overshadowed. Maybe top 10 small forward would be fair.
Scottie Pippen only guarded Magic Johnson for half of a game in game 2. Michael Jordan was on Magic for game 1, half of game 2, game 3, game 4 and game 5. It's one of the biggest myths among basketball fans that Scottie Pippen shut down Magic and defended him all throughout the game. Scottie Pippen was only switched onto Magic because Jordan got into foul trouble.
Now that you comment that false informations you missunderstand from the only thing you ever saw from 90s basketball (THE LAST DANCE DOC) press like a good kid bulls-lakers '91 finals at youtube and watch Jordan guarding Magic 90-95% of the time.After that come back at say ''sorry,i'm 15yo and know nothing,i just talk b@llshit''
I've always said you can't measure Pippen by stats. Listen to Steve Kerr and teammates talk about his value compared to Jordan. He's just like Jason Kidd where he can dominate and control the entire game with his presence and only have 2 points, 9 rebounds. This is why Kidd was able to lead Dallas as an old man and made the Knicks respectable as an old man. Pippen did the same with Portland when they almost derailed the juggernaut which was the Lakers. Lol, BJ Armstrong at 14 points per game being an all star was ridiculous. Pippen definitely belongs before Baylor, Wilkins because they were strictly scorers not winners. Two way players that win, belong before awesome scorers that don't play D, which also puts Barry behind him.
Halpher Exactly STATS without Context is useless..You also have to know the differences in Era, The style of Play, Just an overal awareness of the NBA Landscape.
Youngest MVP Steph Curry impacts the game with his presence for sure but I wouldn't say he controls and orchestrates the flow of the game. This is easy to see because when he is off, he doesn't seem to impact other aspects of the game. He is a high volume shooter so stats apply with him. Draymond on the other hand, fits the mold of not needing to score to impact the game, so stats don't measure his value. Not a Steph hater though. His phenominal shooting threat keeps defense on edge and opens up the floor for teammates.
Scottie played in a different era than that of Lebron and Durant. Statically, we can not truly compare due to this factor. During Scottie Pippen's era, hand checking, and hard defense was a norm in the game. In today's game, it is a flagrant foul. If Scottie Pippen played in today's era of basketball, his shooting percentage would be much higher, and you can add 6-7 points more to his scoring average. You compared John Havlicek to Scottie as well, and again I have to call in the era debate. The level of competition in John Havicek's era was very poor. The league having 4-5 teams worth mentioning at the time. If you put John Havlicek in Scottie Pippen's era, then his numbers significantly drop, because you have better competition, better defenders, and better coaching. Horace Grant and BJ Armstrong's numbers went up, because of Scottie Pippen's ability to create shots for his teammates. There's a video of Chicago Bulls players praising Scottie Pippen as their favorite player to play with, and also NBA great Karl Malone said he'd take Scottie Pippen for his all time starting 5 for the forward position. Some of the turn overs that Scottie Pippen had, we're not his fault 90% of the time. Passing the ball to players like Will Purdue, who wore a size 24 shoe, and had limited athletic ability, played a major factor in Scottie's turnovers. There are forward's who are offensively better than Scottie, but there are no forwards better than Scottie defensively.
I don't think Scottie is better than jhon havlichek but even Dominique would give Scottie buckets and he was a better scorer and a better 3 point shooter also I think pippin's defence is overrated .
When MJ left to play baseball in the 1993-94 season Pippen ranked 4th in Player Efficiency Rating and Top 10 In Defensive Rating (Only Smallforward, the rest all Big Men) in The Whole League: averaging like 22 ppg on 49% FG, 8.5 RPG, 5.6 APG and almost 3 SPG. In the 94-95 season he was ranked Top 10 in PER and 1st In Defensive Rating (over all BigMen). He Had Big Men Like Effect From The Perimeter Defensively. Pippen is THE BEST DEFENSIVE SMALLFORWARD ON THE PERIMETER that EVER LIVED. For Pippen getting others involved as a Point-Forward with his great handles and court vision was natural (not so for Jordan in his early years). Pippen was THE BEST DEFENSIVE SMALLFORWARD of his Era, THEE BEST PASSING SMALLFORWARD OF HIS ERA (debatable with Grant Hill) One of the Best Finishers Coast to Coast Players of His Era and simply ONE OF THEE BEST ALL AROUND PLAYERS EVER!. His Only Downfall Was NOT Being a Dominant Scorer. Jordan had a Top 10 Player in the League as a his Side Kick FROM 1990 TO 1998. Thats the Truth and Even Statistically Its Prooven When Jordan Left Pippen had SUPERSTAR Impact Statsitically. Pippen is A TOP 10 ALL TIME SMALLFORWARD. HE is UNDERRATED!
Before I watch this i want to include that there's a 3rd opinion people have and that is that he is a top 50 player and IS the greatest perimeter defender of all time
Damn not even top 5? You didn't even include all of the defensive stats? His defense alone should put him in the top 5. No SF except MAYBE Kawhi has the IQ, natural talent and defensive skills like Pippen. He had ONE season to show what he's got and he didn't have another superstar so they focused on him. He was in a James Harden/DMC situation, he had the talent on both ends, but could only play his full potential on one side or evenly on both. Horace Grant made the all star game because of his popularity due to being on the BULLS! Losing the GOAT and still being over .500 is amazing. His playoff performance is due to like I said the lack of another superstar and the best defender being on him. He wasn't use to being the 1st option and having the best defender on him. I guarantee if he had another player who the team could turn to to take over the game offensively he'd have 1 more ring than he has now.
one season? that's not enough. it's funny you say grant made the all star thanks to bulls popularity. uh, that's the same reason pippen made the all nba and all star teams all those years. the bulls were so popular thanks to MJ. if pippen were alone most of his career. he wouldn't have half of his all stars and all nba teams. losing MJ and winning 55 games is not amazing when your team is probably the deepest in the league. the bulls lost MJ, but they kept every other key player AND they added more players including kukoc and kerr! your excuses for pippen are funny. he didn't have another scorer? lol a bunch of players have been in the same situation, and still did better.
You make absolutely no sense if you saying Scottie leading the bulls with 2less wins wasn't amazing because they was so deep then how was it amazing when Jordan won 🤔
Rasuke11 Lmfao get off them stats my nigga and watch some games... every time Jordan had an off game pippen was right there on offense... if someone was lighting Jordan up, pippen would lock him down
Nobody talks about how in 1994-1995 the Bulls and especially Scottie pippen were struggling before Jordan cane back but then MJ comes back and everyone forgets about it.
Gabriel King overrated as fuck. People always say he's top 50 after that magazine came out that put him there. Nah. I think for myself. Dude is overrated. Jordan pushed him to be the player he was. You look at guys like Kobe or Shaq or Nash and Dirk and you Knew if they stayed together they could've done huge things togther but you also knew could do huge things alone or with someone else. I'm sorry but Pippen is Jordan's "someone else". Like LoW said. It's hard not to imagine that Jordan could've still done what he did with someone like Drexler. Pippen absolutely needed Jordan.
pip is a true selfless basketball player who can do it on both ends. a perfect complementary player for the skill set of MJ and the rest of his team mates. Pip + MJ = rings
I grew up watching all of the Bull games every year from the beginning of Pippen, Grant, and Phil Jackson coming in. Two things stood out...First Jordan put Scottie under his wings and mentored him the ropes. Scottie was becoming a taller version of Jordan, from offence to defense. The best one two punch of all time. Next, Phil Jackson always made sure Jordan or Pippen were on the floor when one was resting. When Jordan rested on the bench or played like a dog, Pippen had his back and it was his team, people fail to mention this point. Scottie is one the best all-round players of All-Time and Jordan was the best competitor of All-Time. Enuf said for all the Scottie haters. If you've never played basketball passed the college level before, personally, you don't the license to analyze anyone. That's why you see ex-professional basketball players analyzing games on the greats that played the game. Not people like you on you tube and other sport analyst on Espn, being philosophers, with no physical experience in playing the sport itself. I'm not boasting, but to the person who made this video. What level have you played in basketball. I played at every level since 5th grade and won a chip at 10 years old, college level for 2yrs. played in the CBA League for 3yrs, had tryouts with the Detroit Pistons twice in the mid 90's, turned down a 10-day contract to start in Europe and played for Germany, Amsterdam and the Italian League in the Euro-League. At least I had a taste of it, which gives me the right give my true opinions and not some research and theories. Scottie was a phenomenal player and very underrated.
Chicago did well in 93-94 because they added height to their roster that year with 7'2" Luc Longley, 7' Bill Wennington, 6'10" Toni Kukoc and 6'9" Corie Blount to cover their biggest weakness as a small-ball team. They added sharpshooter Steve Kerr and a decent slashing SG in Pete Myers to the already formidable roster of Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, BJ Armstrong and an aging Bill Cartwright and John Paxon. Scottie's PER jumped from 19.2 to 23.2, 22.6 in 95.
First you didnt talk enough of Pippen all time great defense, the best SF defender of all time, now lets see how everybody sees bill russel, everyone thinks he is a legend because he dominated on defense and it was ok on ofense, BILL RUSSEL THE BEST CENTER DEFENDER OF ALL TIME WITH OK OFENSIVE SKILLS, SCOTTIE PIPPEN THE BEST SF DEFENDER OF ALL TIME WITH GREAT OFENSIVE SKILLS, if Russel is regarded as one of the best centers of all time, Pippen should be also considered one of the great SF of all time, top 5 easily even top 3. also how old are you did you even see Scottie Pippen play, did you?, he was a beast he could score 30 points if he wanted it to, but because is more important to jordan that category he did other equal important things, and for fuks sake, 10 al defensive for Pip and none to Hondo and you rub it off like it doesnt mean anithyng, just K. Leonard can be better than Pippen of the ones that you mention.
you are dumb as fuck. Pippen could have easily been a 30 point player per game. he played to make his team mates better. he was an all around player. he made other players better and Jordan didn't do that. adding clyde drexler instead of pippen, would not have worked. He would want to score just as much as Jordan and he wouldn't make other players better like pippen did and his defense was the best of all time. With out scottie playing style Jordan would not have won 6 championships without pippen. That's like saying magic wasn't one of the greatest players of all time. His scoring average was not one of the best, but he made plays to make his team mates better. you don't know shit about basketball. Scottie played the way they wanted him to play. and that was to get all the other players involved. Jordan never thought about doing that. Bottom line, No Scottie no rings.
Also 1994 was when he had his argument with Phil Jackson during the playoffs in game four, that was also controversial and he actually lost some respect from his teammates which is why he wasn't even on the court when Toni kukoc hit the game winning shot
When it came to the playoffs in 93-94, ultimately Scottie was still more like a second option as he had a GameScore of 18.7 against Cleveland and a GS of 15.6 against New York. Horace Grant actually outplayed him in that series with a GS of 16.2. Patric Ewing outplayed them both with a GS of 18.7.
When it comes to Pips 94 and 95 seasons. I already mentioned 94, but I'd like to zone in on 95. That was the greatest DEFENSIVE season by a perimeter player. And I'd put that season up against a dominant big man's defense. If I remember correct, the Bulls were second in team defense, 1st in defensive rating, while having the likes of Kukoc, Longley, and Wennington as the bigs, and BJ Armstrong and Pete Myers as the Guards. Pip led the league I'm defensive rating, steals and averaged a block a game. I also never understood why people make the claim that the Bulls were barely on the playoffs, they were a 6th seed when Jordan came back. To put perspective behind this, Remember what the Kobe Bryant led Lakers did immediately after Shaw left. Or Worthy when Magic left, or Wade after Shaq left. They faired MUCH WORSE. And while the talent that replaced the all time greats in those situations were never as good as good, they were much better than what Pippen got as Jordans replacement. I have spoon much more ammo. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Just too much to type. I just want to put this into its proper context.
MJ was older than Portland Scottie when he won his sixth ring and MJ did not look washed at all. If anything MJ looked like he could have gone for a few more championship run
he's neither a superstar nor a mere role player. he's somewhere in the middle. i think he benefitted greatly from playing with jordan as far his development as a player. a lot of people want to inflate pippen into a co-superstar in order to take away from jordan's career and if it were true than it is what it is but it's not. he had one breakout year in 94 and wasn't able to follow it up the next year. when he went to houston and then portland he was a third option on both those teams and his numbers dwindled year by year. some will say it's because scottie was old but do you know that a 38 year old, out of shape, past his prime michael jordan battling injuries playing for the wizards had very similar numbers as a prime scottie pippen in 94?
obviously offensively he was just an above average/inconsistent scorer. not a great passer either. decent rebounder. so he's gonna give you 19-20 points, 7-8 rebounds, 5-6 assists a night. pretty good but not great. certainly not top 50 of all-time great. what puts him in that conversation was obviously that he did all of that while being an elite defender and having great team success. about the 8th or 9th best SF is a fair ranking i think. would be right around top 50.
way too much blabbering, 18min for Pippen being overrated is way too much and it felt that way. But yes he is, he was always going to be having played on a team that achieved so much. He's definitely Top 10 SF though, and I don't know about those older players being better than him. Pippen wasn't all about numbers, he was a lockdown defender and he played in the golden age 90's.
If anything he´s underrated. On MJ´s first retirement the Bulls only dropped 2 games and still made the playoffs with the player that replaced Jordan. I still believe to this day if the Sonics didn´t trade him we would be looking at a Sonics dynasty and not a Bulls 2 time three peat.
With full respect to Scottie -- I'd say his biggest weakness was not being great at creating his own shot, off of the dribble, in a half court offense. Sure he could do it, but he was not good at it in my opinion.
There are slight differences: Jordan was great as a defender but couldn't really guard the 4 and the 5. Pippen could definitely guard the 4 and some 5's like Rodman did too. Rodman to me is slightly better than Scottie for he was a mental challenge for the guy he guarded too and the better rebounder. Whereas Scottie was deadly in the combination with Jordan (and Harper for example). Their pressure on the backcourt was just great to watch. Even with Jordan alone they forced so many steals together. So individually, yes, Rodman is the better defender. Yes, Jordan is on the same level guarding 1,2 and 3. But overall? Despite not winning DPOY, to me Scottie is more valuable for the team as a defender, not over Rodman but over Jordan. For the most part because I watched a ton of the Bulls games, Scottie had the edge on Jordan defensively, sorry to say
Pippen was the better defender. He led the league in defensive rating once, which Jordan never did. He led the league in playoff defensive rating twice, which Jordan also never did. Pippen also led all players in playoff defensive win shares THREE times compared to Jordan's one. Pippen also has a MUCH higher career defensive rating, while Jordan isn't even in the top 100. Pippen is also ranked higher than Jordan on the career defensive win shares list. Yeah we know Jordan won defensive player of the year, but that was during a season when the competition at the SG spot was pure garbage. Jordan was never the best defender during any of the championship years. It was Pippen doing the better job defending Magic Johnson, James Worthy, and Clyde Drexler on the perimeter, guarded Charles Barkley a few times in the post and took all those charges against Karl Malone. For the last 3-peat, Jordan was FOURTH overall on the Bulls in overall defensive rating behind Rodman, Pippen, and Harper.
Scottie Pippen...is NOT overrated...! Scottie, plain and simple... Is the BEST... all around player...the NBA has EVER had....PERIOD...! His only flaw, was that he needed to be (more physical) than he was, at times. But other than that...Pippen (still is, to this day) the BEST... Jack of all trades...and even...pound for pound...a Master of more trades (on the court) than ANYONE else...i. e. (points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, defense, offense and coach ability...!) Pippen, was the "ultimate "... (Complete) PLAYER....!!!
You failed to mention he won the All-star game MVP in 1994. I am not sure if you were around to watch the NBA in the 1990s but most at the time considered Pippen to be an elite player. He was selected to play in the Olympics in 92 and 96. The breakdown of the playoff series against the Knicks to me doesn’t shed a lot of light into much. That Knicks team was brutal I remember every time the Bulls would play them it was a war to score any points. And that blown call in that playoff series still stings to this day.
Just delete this video dude. You're making yourself look very uneducated about the game of basketball in this video. MJ himself chose Scottie for his all time top 5 team. Just stop.
Of course Jordan would pick Scotty, he was Jordan’s side kick, as competitive as Jordan is/was calling other SFs from that era better than his sidekick is blasphemy to Jordan, this comment makes you seem uneducated as you are basing your opinion of the word of his TEAMMATE
Scotty was an all time great without having to be the alpha on the court, which is why Jordan has 6 rings. I think his reasoning was both. He likely wouldn't have half those rings without Scotty alone.
Just for the records,when people say mj havent won without scottie at the playoffs,..well,first two years of pip that Bulls eliminated from Pistons at east semi ('88) and finals('89) Scottie was a 10-12 ppg player,not even close to an all star. At both loses from Pistons Pip was under 10 ppg,and at the '89 playoffs please notice that the Bulls ( aka as MJ ALONE) was the only team stole wins from the detroit squad.
You go and say Scottie didn't do great in the playoffs without Jordan. LeBron did terrible in the finals against Dallas with Wade and Bosh on the team. The guy refused to have the ball in his hands as time was winding down bruh. Game 4 of said finals he scored 8 points total, 2 of which came from him shoving off the defender and flopping. What Scottie did on defense was immeasurable. He had scorers passing up shots, day in day out he guarded the best player on the the opposite team and grabbed 6-7 boards, dropped 20ish points along with 5-6 dimes. If your going to mention that one run where Scottie did terrible you better bring up LeBron no showing throughout a whole finals series. Not saying LeBron ain't great but you can't talk about one bad series for one player and not bring up a terrible one for THE TOP player.
trytin He brought up Scottie's bad playoff run and used it as a example of him not performing. I said LeBron who would be considered top 3 SF of all-time had a terrible championship series.
WildL23 how if Pippen only had 1 bad playoff stint? Very comparable in that point alone, not to mention Pippen actually tried, where as LeBron was just a no show.
When you play defense like Pippen you age quicker and he injured his back severely and still almost led the Jail Blazzers to a title each year he was there. The things Pippen did don't even show up on the stat line... You don't know basketball. Jordan never had a winning season without Pippen. Case closed...
X's 1st Disciple -Shane G who said it? Not Jordan, he said Pippen was underrated... Not Barkley, he told Jordan to his face on The Oprah Winfrey show. Not Karl Malone, not any legends that he checked or played with in his prime... Not Phil, not Doug Collins who both say Pippen was a coach on the floor and that they would rather play with Pippen. Oh and not his teammates. Not Jason Kidd either... Bs! Why the hell Jordan gotta losing record without Pippen, but Pippen doesn't. He couldn't get 41 wins until Pippen showed up.
kenny the jet shaq isiah thomas clyde c-webb you love pippin we get it but is he better then bron is he better than bird is he better than kd is he better than the dr j is he better than rick barry is he better than big game james is he better than Dominique is he better than elgin baylor dude he isn't even better than paul pierce if you put him over any of those player fine but c'mon son he never carried a franchise he was draymond green of the bulls a product of the system he was on if you take away jordan and the other bulls and threw him on the brooklyn nets of today is he a star my answer is no.
X's 1st Disciple -Shane G Kenny cant say anything and Zeke hold grudges on whoever he can and said K Malone was a weak link. If Shaq said it he sick, barely beat and old attaché bag back pippin in game 7 to make it to the Finals. Pippen was a true basketball player at heart. All ppl see is flash
You missed one thing. In the 1993-94 season they added Kukoc and Kerr. I think Scottie Pippen is overrated, he’s not in my top 12 Small Forwards of all time, and he’s not in the top 50 greatest players of all time. Michael Jordan made Pippen. If the HOF was as strict as it should be, like football, then Scottie wouldn’t be in it.
The problem with you're arguments is that half of Pippen's value was defense, which can't be measured in stats. He may have had bad games in the playoffs offensively, but shut down the other teams best wing. More to the point, in your list of top SFs, he was the best defender. He's just a very difficult player to evaluate because so much of his game was invisible on the stat line.
Bottom line: if Pippen didn't start in G5 in 1988 then Jordan would have been eliminated in the first round FOUR years in a row. If Pippen didn't make that crucial 3 pointer in G5 in 1989 then Jordan would have been eliminated in the first round FIVE years in a row. Who needed who more again? ...In 1989 the Bulls got a worse record than the previous year, with Jordan padding up his triple doubles as teammates complained of his ball hogging. They even went on 6 game losing streaks. Pippen missed 9 games that season where the Bulls only went 4-5 without him. G7 in 1990 is further proof that Jordan could NOT win without Pippen. End of.I like how you totally ignore the fact that Pippen in 1991 led all players in the postseason in defensive win shares, was the best overall performer against Detroit, and was the key for his few stops on the Laker offense. Or how about in 1992 when Pippen defended Clyde Drexler better and caused more turnovers on him, while Drexler made half his shots with Jordan on him. Or how about in the 1992 Finals when Pippen led bench players on a rally after trailing 15 points in the 4th quarter of G6 while Jordan was sitting on the bench because Phil Jackson saw he was ball hogging and playing out of system. Or how about in 1993 when the Bulls dropped 0-2 against New York, Pippen came alive and outshot Jordan 52% to 42% and nabbed the highest defensive rating of anyone on the floor to win the next 4 games. In G6 Jordan pukes all over the floor shooting 0 for 8 in the 4th quarter while Pippen saves him AGAIN. When the series was over, Patrick Ewing said the Bulls won "because of Pippen's play".In 1994 and 1995 Pippen had no good scorers with him. In seasons without Jordan, Pippen NEVER had another teammate averaged 20 points a game. Kukoc was basically just another Robert Horry. If Jordan only had Kukoc as his best option like Pippen had in 1995 the Bulls wouldn't even make a .500 record. Jordan NEVER achieved above a .500 record without Pippen. After Pippen announced he wouldn't return to Chicago, Jordan just chose to be a quitter again instead of trying to win with Kukoc as his second man. Weak.In 1999 both Olajuwon and Pippen openly complained that Barkley was the problem with the team's chemistry, not either of them. Even Clyde Drexler chose to retire a year early rather than deal with Barkley for another season. So I don't know why you're putting all this on Pippen.You've got to be joking with the 2000 Blazers. Loaded? A team with an out of prime Pippen, bench player Wells who only averaged like 13 minutes, Smith who was only a one-time All-Star (during the injured filled 1998 season), and Wallace in only his first All-Star appearance, is "loaded"? Your standards must be extremely low. I'm not sure how you expect such a team to defeat a 67 win Laker squad with a prime MVP Shaq, Kobe, Rice, Harper, Green, Fisher, Horry, Shaw coached by Phil Jackson and Tex Winter, yet an injured Pippen pushed that lineup to 7 games and got within 2 minutes of beating them. After Pippen leaves Portland they no longer have a winning record and miss the playoffs. The Wizards on the other hand missed the playoffs before Jordan got there, missed the playoffs with Jordan, and missed the playoffs after he left, losing records every time. When Chicago was rebuilding the management personally asked Pippen to mentor the new Bulls, not Jordan. Pippen was always the TRUE leader of that Bulls dynasty, as Phil Jackson himself personally stated.
I watched those games. Excellent reply. Need to forward this to Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless who constantly sing praises and love songs to Jordan as the GOAT. I was a Jordan fan and a Bulls fan but I knew Pippen was the difference maker and made all of his teammates better including Jordan. Not to take away from Jordan's accomplishments but they would not have won 6 rings without Pippen most especially the last two. Jordan was Jordan but it must be said he was Jordan because of Pippen.
Robert Lee Correct. Even in Phil Jackson’s book Eleven Rings, Phil said in his own words that Scottie was the one who helped Michael to become Michael.
Bruh ur bugging....that Portland team was loaded...maybe too loaded. But they took the Lakers 7 games, I think, twice. Using player stats 4 that team makes no sense. They had so many great guys that no one played the minutes they could have. Chemistry, or lack thereof, was what hurt those Blazer teams
@Drink Me is probably a 12-year old who is unable to discuss things outside of their limited views and so he/she/it resorts to name-calling so he can pretend to be qualified to engage in discussions.
10:45 - I have never heard anyone say Pippen is one of the greatest players of all-time. 10:52 - What people?!? 10:52 - I have never heard anyone make the claim that Pippen is a top 10 player of all-time either. Most heads know Pips's place in basketballs hierarchy, which is why he is not overrated. The consensus is, all-time great, HOF'er, but nowhere near the conversation of top 10 or one of the greatest of all-time.
Points and stats don't tell the whole story. The game was completely different back when Scotty and Jordan played. Today if you breath on somebody in the NBA you get a personal foul. Players are scared to foul out of the game. Causing them to move out of your way and letting you score at will. If Scottie and Jordan played today, they'd put up way higher numbers do to how the game is currently played. I also believe that if Lebron played back in Jordan's era his numbers would've been substantially lower.
Have never seen(till now)a defender like Scottie,who actually could guard everyone from point to a power forward,plus an excellent all-around player,let no forget-Chicago was a mediocre team before Scottie joined in 1987,he led them to a 55 wins and to a tight playoff series with Nicks,a season after Michael's retirement,a great player and a teammate
Pippen was legit. Nique was only a better scorer because he shot more with a scorer mentality, but skill wise, Pippen was a better all around offensive player too IMO, and if you just want strictly a scorer-Melo was a better scorer than Nique. Kawhi is not close to the play maker Pippen was and lesser footwork, handles, post game and rebounding too. James Worthy is tough to place due to his lack of handles and play making and shooting. Of course i'd go Lebron, and Bird and Dr J over PIP but hard to rate Elgin and Barry and Hondo. It's really hard for me to rate 50s,60s, 70s players pre merger and i even have a tough enough time rating DR J over KD and Pippen skills wise. Dr J was an open court player with weak handles and a weak shot and below average play making but his accolades and incredible defensive stats make it easier.. He was like a super James Worthy in a lot of ways with the Pippen/Hondo/Kawhi defensive metrics. His career offensive stats are overblown because of his ABA stats. As an NBA player, he was a 22-7-4-2-1.5 type of player with really good D.Very Kawhi like without the 3 pointer and better blocking. If my list was POST NBA/ABA merger for a modern ranking, i'd go 1.LeBron 2.Bird 3.DR. J 4.Durant(should pass Dr. J very soon) 5. Pippen 6. Controversial but i watched him- i go Grant Hill strictly peak talent level - career longevity wise i'd probably go Paul Pierce here, but i foresee Kawhi eventually being here.
This video has a bunch of inaccuracies. Sorry Bruh but your video doesnt use all aspects that make him underrated/Overrated. Things you said in this video, like speaking on what makes a player "Great" when players dont show up in important ganes, you did not use in an arguement for other players in your videos. As well as comparing the Full "Historic" Stat line against all the other Forwards in that top 10 list. You barely covered Defense comparisons and did not stress the fact that Pippen played a different Role then the players compared... You gotta make the arguement a fair one bruh. Its not all about the Stat line.
TheGMgamer no. Pippen was the Bulls best defender and he guarded all of the best players of the opposing team. I remember watching he lakers vs bulls in the finals and Magic was cooking up jordan so jordan couldn't handle him and asked to switch for pippen to guard him while jordan guarded a nobody. pippen is top 30 of all time and top 5 SF of all time. not even debatable cause i watched them play
emery hadnott gives me credibility. you never watched him so you have no validation to say anything. you only watch highlights and videos of other people talking. i actually saw him play in the flesh. stfu his top 5 SF he was a superstar and he is one of the best defenders in the history of the game. don't act like jordan is a god. Jordan couldn't win a playoff series without pippen
you reveal your complete misunderstanding of basketball with this complete hit piece on Pippen.... Worthless 17:35 seconds of my life....Who knows more about basketball you or Michael Jordan? you know what Jordan said? Scottie Pippen is my MVP...CASE CLOSED
The Baws not campionship wise but very similar, exceptional defense, all around great scorer, always guards the best player on the opposer regardless of position, similar statline. give paul george some talent and he will win chips just like scottie
Switt Eh, look at pauls stats this year, he's not doing so hot. Scottie imo is a much better defender too, Paul George is a good defender, but people overrate it because of his steals.
Ayrthon Perez that's simple, curry is the greatest shooter in nba history. He's on a team that has built a system around his style of play. He has great handles, good mid-range, good layups, and is a good passer but He can't do anything on defense, and is inconsistent. He has a lot of great talent surrounding him, and his team is built around the three. He has made the whole nba, and any basketball players want to use threes more. Being a 2x mvp is was deserved in the regular season. He's led the warrior team to a lot of success when he's been healthy, has the whole league talking everytime he's on the floor. So he's definitely not overrated, unless someone tries to say he's better than Jordan or lebron
No one you have listed as 1-5 is as great a playmaker (outside of LeBron James) as Pippen was. Bird, Wilkins, & Dr. J were amazing but not shut-down defenders. Man Jordan left and Pippen almost made it to the Eastern Conference Finals with Pete Myers when the East was still a beast. And that Argument about the Bulls still having 3 all-stars doesn't diminish Pippens impact on that 93-94 squad. And Yes..Hugh Hollins ghost call in a decisive game 5 in the second round was a series turner. 93-94 season was great for Scottie...since he was opposing teams primary focus his numbers were still impressive. Fact: Pippen enjoyed the most post-season success in after the Bulls broke up in 1998. Mike never won a playoff series before Scottie's arrival to Chicago in '87 nor when he played his final years as a Washington Wizard.
Hey man, i'm glad you are comparing using POSITIONS,.my two cents: Pippen was a BETTER DEFENDER than all the players in your list,.If we talking about PRIME YEARS, in a team context, i'd pick pippen over anyone in your list except maybe larry bird, though Bird won more rings when he was a PF,. Most people put too much emphasis on the Offensive stats and Star Value,. People forget that basketball is a TEAM game,. offense win games, defense win championships,. Lebron did worse than pippen in most of his playoffs games including 2 finals, and finals, technically, are still a playoff series. i do remember lebron in 2010, CAVS won 61 games and was number 1 in the NBA, they played against 50 win boston in the 2nd round,. bron just disappeared in the last 3 games,. in 2011 bron totally choked with Wade and bosch by his side, which, in my opinion, are better players than BJ Armstrong and Horace Grant,. If you sorround Pippen with Players like Kyrie and Kevin Love, i think he will compliment them more than Lebron., Kyrie will have more points and kevin love will have more rebounds, and Cavs will be much more better in defense,. Lebron and Pippen both act as the primary Playmaker of their teams, but lebron is more offense oriented while pippen is more defense oriented,.
What kill me is the end when you talking about the Knicks. That's when they played defense. Those games were more like dog fights. That's another thing that bothers me about comparing todays league with the past. All those numbers and stats would be lower if they played against and were forced to play defense like in the era before theirs. Anyone can test this out, play a game were you can hand check, they play another where you can't. Pretty simple test and anyone can do it. Then do the same thing where you put money on the game and then you will have an idea what real tough defense does to a game and your "stats" lol
Scottie isn't overrated, he's underrated. He showed incredible maturity to take a backseat to Michael Jordan for the good of the team. if it wasn't for Scottie, the Bulls and Michael wouldn't have 6 titles.
he may be the most underrated player ever. he put up 20 with Mike taking 30 shots a game. only players on your sf list that play both ways are LeBron and kawhi. 20 points 8rebs and assist... while guarding the best player every night.
I think he is, mostly due to when he entered the league, taking the spotlight from Bird and Magic and turning Basketball and the NBA into a global phenomenon - helps his legacy. People referring to 6 in 6 is great, but it is a team sport, and there were seasons where they couldn't even get home court advantage let alone make the finals.
Listen bro, Back in the old days in the 60s to middle 70s them boys were trash if they were to play in the 80s the 90s and even today. With exception of oscar Robinson wilt chamberlain Kareem magic and bird everybody was trash if you take lebron and put him on bill russell's team lebron would get more rings than Russell easily. The average height for a player was like 6,4 to like 6,6. Bill Russell back than was tall as shit but now you got players that are 7,3 6,8 6,10 like Bruh if you take any elite player from the 90s to present they will win the same amount maybe even more than bill Russell so stop it Bruh rick Barry would be trash if he played in any era. You take pippen he could play in every era and still succeed. I like how you skip over the time he lead his team without Jordan the first time he retired. Scottie is definetly top 3 sfs of all time the only thing you can really argue is he only got 6 rings because of Jordan but even that i feel like he would've at least got 1 ring without jordan
Yeah but back then the league was a whole lot smaller. Wilt chamberlain is on the fence too I can't see wilt being a all time great player for the same reason but I give him props for scoring 100 points something that probably nobody will ever do that's why I put wilt ahead of bill. It's hard for me to say bill is good player he really isn't he just had no competition because he was considered tall back then, today he wouldn't even win 1 ring, because lebron is just that good
Don't hate Appreciate nah not one ring without Jordan. He's not like that. He can't carry a team like Jordan did. And u can't blame them , that's their time period , they played who they had to play. Scottie is overrated but he's still good
Nah man, I get that it was a different time period but to me if your an all time great you can play and adapt to any era, some of these old players if you put them in today's game they won't be as successful. I get that pippen can't carry a team like Jordan did but pippen still had success without Jordan. He didn't do as bad as wade after lebron left. Or he didn't do as bad as Kobe after Shaq left. He still took his team far into the playoffs. Stuff like that makes you a better player when you can carry your team by yourself regardless of how your stats are. Idk man to me I can't name small forwards other than lebron and bird that are better then him that's just my opinion. I see why people say he isn't top 3 but to me that's just disrespectful
You can't judge scottie pippen by just his stats. scottie was a great defender, scottie made all the other players better by getting them involved, pippen was a point forward and that really made a difference because you had a great defender, ball handler, and made his team mates better. Scottie Pippen was the perfect style player for Jordan. No other point/ forward does the intangibles that Scottie does. That was needed for Jordan's style of play. Bottom line, No Scottie, no rings.
I think a similar question can be asked of Bill Russell. He's often in the GOAT (not just centers but all players) list, but offensively speaking, he has the most pedestrian numbers compared to other centers considered all-time greats. He never shot well (44% for career from the field, 56% from the line), never scored 20 ppg for a season, etc. It's no secret that Boston was loaded with Hall of Famers back then, so if he were to switch places with Wilt who didn't have the same supporting cast, could Russell have carried teams on offense? Guess we'll never know for sure, but the numbers don't look good. But similarly to Pippen, I think the fact that he's the greatest defensive player of all time makes up for his shortcomings on the offensive end of the floor. Russell was what his team needed.
Scottie Pippen isn’t even in a space where he can be overrated. I feel like everyone has a general and accurate understanding of where Scottie’s ability falls. Btw go watch some FULL bulls games and you might want to change your mind. This video seems like it’s just for views tbh
I remember the eastern conference finals against the Knicks in '94. A bad call cost Pippen a trip to the finals. This without MJ. I remember what he looked like after the call. Pippen had drive to prove that it wasn't just Jordan. He had a drive and motivation that better players like Barkley and Nique did not have.
If you watched Scottie's career like I did as a kid (watched Bulls from 1983 till 1998) then you could see that he improved a great deal by his second and third year. He had to guard and be guarded by MJ in practice and got a LOT better because of it. I'm not sure what his career would have been without that pressure, but I do think he would have still been All-Star level if he played without MJ, but probably not really a top 50 to 75 player.
You weren’t watching hevhad to take bad shots because he was the only shot creater. Grant scored off his assists...and you fail to mention he is arguably the best perimeter player of all time with offensive game. Russell just played D and grabbed boards for most part with hall of famers in a watered down league lol. Pippen is a top 3 SF and basically started the point forward trend that LeBron and Simmons use..he revolutionized the game.
if scottie pippen didn't carry a team full of scrubs 93/94 season but the same could be the said about MJ too but for a career Jordan was phenomenal but the Bulls were almost the warriors of the nineties
Horace Grant was criminally underrated with the Bulls. Almost as much as Pau Gasol gets underrated for what he did for the Lakers. Pippen was an all time top 10 defender but his overall offensive game simply wasnt special. On that side of the ball there are countless guys just as good or better all time.
Pippen was the best defensive SF of all time . He was underrated . Go back and look at the bulls runs. Pippen defense was a key factor to the bulls 6 championship rings .
You guys keep trying to rate players by scoring first. Jordan didn't win when he was scoring 60+ against Boston; he still lost. Pippen played with his teammates. He didn't care about scoring. He took the Bulls further without Jordan than Jordan did without him.
Jordan was drafted to the 2nd worst team in the league to a franchise with no history of winning. Jordan also played in arguably the greatest Eastern Conference of all-time. Scotty took over a 3peat team with six new players in a East riddled with injuries and deaths.
Scottie Pippen is not overrated nor is he underrated. He is a top 50 player, one of the greatest defenders of all time. He is right where he needs to be.
amen to that!
indeed brotha
likemikegenerationx2 exactly bro none of that other shit matters Scottie is in the perfect position as of rank . You have the best comment
likemikegenerationx2 he's the only player that gets the top 50 player of all time argument
likemikegenerationx2 the best comment I've heard on Scottie pippen, great!
He's definitely an underrated dunker hahaha... some of his dunks are absolutely insane!!
greatest in game dunk posterize on Ewing
nah man. this one's even better: ruclips.net/video/rgiZmKxAmFs/видео.html
underrated dunker? ive never heard of anybody calling Scottie Pippen an underrated dunker. im pretty sure its been well established that hes one of the all time greatest dunkers! ya cant deny that
Nick Smith NBA for reals it’s nothing flashy just get to the point in your face dunks. When you see pippen start that fast break you know you’re in trouble
People don’t realize Jordan tested pippen everyday at practice pippen earned Jordan’s trust. If Jordan don’t trust you as his teammate he’ll mentally fuck with you look what happened to kwami brown!!!!
Basketball is more then just scoring. Averaging 20 ppg, 9 rebounds, 6 assist and being an elite defender is better then averaging 25 ppg, 5 assist, 5 rebounds and being an average defender
not necessarily. by that logic, leonard would be the best player today.
What do you mean
Daniel M
Yeah that stat line is great
But is it really all time great?
gash box when you add in the fact that he was an all time great lockdown defender, yes it's an exceptional stat line.
Basketball is a team sport so nobody winning shit without somebody!
TheRattler33 Hakeem had Horry and Cassell on both championships and had Drexler for his last
exactly you said it best they was deep so yes Hakeem had a lot of help. the only player who never had much help was Ewing. and The knicks took them too 7 games and if was not for Starks chucking 3s and missing the Knicks would have won. and in the 90s Ewing was the best Center in the league.. Not Hakeem. yes Hakeem is great but Ewing was better making it to a lot of Conference finals and NBA finals 2wice while no help thats greatness.. Like when Kobe went to 3 straight finals without Shaq and won 2 in a row out of the 3 thats greatness. Hakeem had too much help so did Robinson. and so did Lebron. but Curry made his teammates stars while they was nameless by going to 3 straight finals. however Durant was a star but the others ? Curry made them now thats Greatness. as far as Small Forwards go People forget how dominant DR. J was. he is probably better all time at the SF position.
Kaos Pat Dirk? The guys best help was a borderline all-star Jason Terry and even that's arguable
ali alani and jason tery played good. So he wasn’t alone
Sugar Ray Dee still a team with only 1 all star, I will admit Jason Terry was pretty good but look at teams nowadays you need 3-4 all stars *cough Warriors cough*
People don't understand many things about the 1994 & 1995 seasons.
First, Bulls were in the 6th seed when MJ returned in 1995. They talked like they were 8th or 9th in the East.
Second, Pippen was playing his best defensive moment versus the Knicks from game 2 to 6. You can't ask someone to lock the opposite best scorer, rebounds, passes and expects him to be the man on offense. When MJ wasn't able to defend Magic, Barkley or other greats. It was Pippen's duty because Chicago needed Jordan to score, so MJ could take a step back on defense.
Yet, Pippen did that all season long.
Third, BJ Armstrong was an all-star because a lot of fans (Chicago) voted for him. Armstrong never put all-star caliber numbers ever.
Forth, the second scoring option in 1994 was Horace Grant. Grant was a good player, good defender and great rebounder... But not a scorer. And Pippen when running the point help him offensively.
Fifth, the Bulls' offense was so fluid due to Pippen's passing abilities. In fact, a lot of players had eFG% career high because Pippen was running the triangle... Still when MJ wasn't there.
Phil Jackson in his book stated Pippen was the vocal leader and that he made his teammates better... And many great stated Pippen didn't needed to score to have an impact on the game. Which is rare.
Dave Toussaint MJ won defensive player of year, 8time all defensive team. What you are talking about MJ taking break on defence?
Jon Sinkkonen MJ is a great basketball player but he’s human he needs breaks and he can’t have that intensity on both offense and defense for 35+ minutes so Scottie had to come up and guard the best defender most games so Jordan can play offense a lot better
Actually Pippen help MJ cover some of the best players so he could use more energy an focus on offense. MJ was an amazing defender - maybe the best at SG till maybe the last season as a Bull.
Dave Toussaint
I totally agree.. I grew up in tje 90s so i really don't have to do research to understand.. But with Jordan gone the Triangle actually ran alot Smoother more Fluid under Pippen.. That being said the Knicks in the Playoffs was absolutely tough to score on.. And prob should of won a Ring if Starks was able to make a shot
@@jonsinkkonen9393 Scottie is 10 time all defensive and if it wasnt for his selfishness he probably would have won a ring in 94 season
Scottie is an all time great defensive player. When he played with Jordan, he was the defensive stopper for the bulls.
He stopped magic johnson in the finals.
Jordan cast a shadow so big that whoever played with him would naturally be overshadowed.
Maybe top 10 small forward would be fair.
Exactly, in game 1 MJ was getting COOKED by magic, till they put Pippen on him. The rest is history.
@@Michael-td9ye You didn't even watch the finals stop lying.
Scottie Pippen only guarded Magic Johnson for half of a game in game 2. Michael Jordan was on Magic for game 1, half of game 2, game 3, game 4 and game 5.
It's one of the biggest myths among basketball fans that Scottie Pippen shut down Magic and defended him all throughout the game. Scottie Pippen was only switched onto Magic because Jordan got into foul trouble.
Jordan was also a great defender and he guarded magic for most of that series and Pippen mainly guarded him when Jordan was on foul trouble
Now that you comment that false informations you missunderstand from the only thing you ever saw from 90s basketball (THE LAST DANCE DOC) press like a good kid bulls-lakers '91 finals at youtube and watch Jordan guarding Magic 90-95% of the time.After that come back at say ''sorry,i'm 15yo and know nothing,i just talk b@llshit''
I've always said you can't measure Pippen by stats. Listen to Steve Kerr and teammates talk about his value compared to Jordan. He's just like Jason Kidd where he can dominate and control the entire game with his presence and only have 2 points, 9 rebounds. This is why Kidd was able to lead Dallas as an old man and made the Knicks respectable as an old man. Pippen did the same with Portland when they almost derailed the juggernaut which was the Lakers. Lol, BJ Armstrong at 14 points per game being an all star was ridiculous. Pippen definitely belongs before Baylor, Wilkins because they were strictly scorers not winners. Two way players that win, belong before awesome scorers that don't play D, which also puts Barry behind him.
rash b All facts
Halpher Exactly STATS without Context is useless..You also have to know the differences in Era, The style of Play, Just an overal awareness of the NBA Landscape.
rash b you know who else controls the game just with his presence on the court..... Stephen Curry
Youngest MVP Steph Curry impacts the game with his presence for sure but I wouldn't say he controls and orchestrates the flow of the game. This is easy to see because when he is off, he doesn't seem to impact other aspects of the game. He is a high volume shooter so stats apply with him. Draymond on the other hand, fits the mold of not needing to score to impact the game, so stats don't measure his value. Not a Steph hater though. His phenominal shooting threat keeps defense on edge and opens up the floor for teammates.
But at the same time if Draymond isn't getting steals, blocks or assist stats his impact on the game is actually pretty small.
Scottie played in a different era than that of Lebron and Durant. Statically, we can not truly compare due to this factor. During Scottie Pippen's era, hand checking, and hard defense was a norm in the game. In today's game, it is a flagrant foul. If Scottie Pippen played in today's era of basketball, his shooting percentage would be much higher, and you can add 6-7 points more to his scoring average.
You compared John Havlicek to Scottie as well, and again I have to call in the era debate. The level of competition in John Havicek's era was very poor. The league having 4-5 teams worth mentioning at the time. If you put John Havlicek in Scottie Pippen's era, then his numbers significantly drop, because you have better competition, better defenders, and better coaching.
Horace Grant and BJ Armstrong's numbers went up, because of Scottie Pippen's ability to create shots for his teammates. There's a video of Chicago Bulls players praising Scottie Pippen as their favorite player to play with, and also NBA great Karl Malone said he'd take Scottie Pippen for his all time starting 5 for the forward position.
Some of the turn overs that Scottie Pippen had, we're not his fault 90% of the time. Passing the ball to players like Will Purdue, who wore a size 24 shoe, and had limited athletic ability, played a major factor in Scottie's turnovers.
There are forward's who are offensively better than Scottie, but there are no forwards better than Scottie defensively.
I agree with you.
Well said, all facts no feelings
I don't think Scottie is better than jhon havlichek but even Dominique would give Scottie buckets and he was a better scorer and a better 3 point shooter also I think pippin's defence is overrated .
When MJ left to play baseball in the 1993-94 season Pippen ranked 4th in Player Efficiency Rating and Top 10 In Defensive Rating (Only Smallforward, the rest all Big Men) in The Whole League: averaging like 22 ppg on 49% FG, 8.5 RPG, 5.6 APG and almost 3 SPG. In the 94-95 season he was ranked Top 10 in PER and 1st In Defensive Rating (over all BigMen). He Had Big Men Like Effect From The Perimeter Defensively. Pippen is THE BEST DEFENSIVE SMALLFORWARD ON THE PERIMETER that EVER LIVED. For Pippen getting others involved as a Point-Forward with his great handles and court vision was natural (not so for Jordan in his early years). Pippen was THE BEST DEFENSIVE SMALLFORWARD of his Era, THEE BEST PASSING SMALLFORWARD OF HIS ERA (debatable with Grant Hill) One of the Best Finishers Coast to Coast Players of His Era and simply ONE OF THEE BEST ALL AROUND PLAYERS EVER!. His Only Downfall Was NOT Being a Dominant Scorer. Jordan had a Top 10 Player in the League as a his Side Kick FROM 1990 TO 1998. Thats the Truth and Even Statistically Its Prooven When Jordan Left Pippen had SUPERSTAR Impact Statsitically. Pippen is A TOP 10 ALL TIME SMALLFORWARD. HE is UNDERRATED!
Thank you for keeping it 💯
Before I watch this i want to include that there's a 3rd opinion people have and that is that he is a top 50 player and IS the greatest perimeter defender of all time
Damn not even top 5? You didn't even include all of the defensive stats? His defense alone should put him in the top 5. No SF except MAYBE Kawhi has the IQ, natural talent and defensive skills like Pippen. He had ONE season to show what he's got and he didn't have another superstar so they focused on him. He was in a James Harden/DMC situation, he had the talent on both ends, but could only play his full potential on one side or evenly on both. Horace Grant made the all star game because of his popularity due to being on the BULLS! Losing the GOAT and still being over .500 is amazing. His playoff performance is due to like I said the lack of another superstar and the best defender being on him. He wasn't use to being the 1st option and having the best defender on him. I guarantee if he had another player who the team could turn to to take over the game offensively he'd have 1 more ring than he has now.
Abel Abitia Bruh truest comment I've seen
yes
one season? that's not enough. it's funny you say grant made the all star thanks to bulls popularity. uh, that's the same reason pippen made the all nba and all star teams all those years. the bulls were so popular thanks to MJ. if pippen were alone most of his career. he wouldn't have half of his all stars and all nba teams.
losing MJ and winning 55 games is not amazing when your team is probably the deepest in the league. the bulls lost MJ, but they kept every other key player AND they added more players including kukoc and kerr!
your excuses for pippen are funny. he didn't have another scorer? lol a bunch of players have been in the same situation, and still did better.
You make absolutely no sense if you saying Scottie leading the bulls with 2less wins wasn't amazing because they was so deep then how was it amazing when Jordan won 🤔
Everyone is wrong about Michael Jordan being apart of Pippens career because Jordan said he was no one without Pippen. Check out Jordan's HOF speech
when you speak MJ,you also speak Scottie Pippen. GOATS words
He was being nice. Scottie Pippen was an afterthought.
Y'all always sleep in on pippen smh... have you seen that man play? Everything Jordan couldn't do, pippen did
Rasuke11 Lmfao get off them stats my nigga and watch some games... every time Jordan had an off game pippen was right there on offense... if someone was lighting Jordan up, pippen would lock him down
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khan Mdstate85 "the next best to mj" get out of here
Caleb D what was it that Jordan couldnt do
Pippen is Kawhi with a more better offensive skillset and court vision
Scotties defense alone makes him top 5. He was the first point forward.
TheTez1990 he is not top 5, are you high
TheTez1990 he wasn't the first point forward
trytin yea he was it wasn't Elgin baylor
+TheTez1990 scottie wasnt the first point foeward
Paul Pressey was kid
Nobody talks about how in 1994-1995 the Bulls and especially Scottie pippen were struggling before Jordan cane back but then MJ comes back and everyone forgets about it.
Not having MJ or Horace Grant was a big reason why they struggled
Pippen is the best defensive SF of all time. (Kawhi is not there just yet)
If Kawhi gets a 3rd DPOY this season then I think that's the deal breaker.
l'enfant des toises Pippen was a way better defender then MJ tho.
Prophecy95 mj locks his man down better than pippen. but pippen locks down the team(when called for)
Kwahi is done.
S Tyson lmao you won’t say that now
Pippen is underrated
Nate The Swagga Dude did you watch the vid
YES SUB 4 SUB
Gabriel King overrated as fuck. People always say he's top 50 after that magazine came out that put him there. Nah. I think for myself. Dude is overrated. Jordan pushed him to be the player he was. You look at guys like Kobe or Shaq or Nash and Dirk and you Knew if they stayed together they could've done huge things togther but you also knew could do huge things alone or with someone else. I'm sorry but Pippen is Jordan's "someone else". Like LoW said. It's hard not to imagine that Jordan could've still done what he did with someone like Drexler. Pippen absolutely needed Jordan.
NATE
I agree man. Pippen is underrated. When Zeke shits on him, I just laugh. Isiah wishes he was Scottie Pippen.
@ Andy Mejia- My nigga get real or get lost in the sauce. Scottie Pippen was and still is the man.
pip is a true selfless basketball player who can do it on both ends. a perfect complementary player for the skill set of MJ and the rest of his team mates. Pip + MJ = rings
I grew up watching all of the Bull games every year from the beginning of Pippen, Grant, and Phil Jackson coming in. Two things stood out...First Jordan put Scottie under his wings and mentored him the ropes. Scottie was becoming a taller version of Jordan, from offence to defense. The best one two punch of all time. Next, Phil Jackson always made sure Jordan or Pippen were on the floor when one was resting. When Jordan rested on the bench or played like a dog, Pippen had his back and it was his team, people fail to mention this point. Scottie is one the best all-round players of All-Time and Jordan was the best competitor of All-Time. Enuf said for all the Scottie haters. If you've never played basketball passed the college level before, personally, you don't the license to analyze anyone. That's why you see ex-professional basketball players analyzing games on the greats that played the game. Not people like you on you tube and other sport analyst on Espn, being philosophers, with no physical experience in playing the sport itself. I'm not boasting, but to the person who made this video. What level have you played in basketball. I played at every level since 5th grade and won a chip at 10 years old, college level for 2yrs. played in the CBA League for 3yrs, had tryouts with the Detroit Pistons twice in the mid 90's, turned down a 10-day contract to start in Europe and played for Germany, Amsterdam and the Italian League in the Euro-League. At least I had a taste of it, which gives me the right give my true opinions and not some research and theories. Scottie was a phenomenal player and very underrated.
Ahayah Wa Yashayah he is a top 5 SF ever is that accurate???
Chicago did well in 93-94 because they added height to their roster that year with 7'2" Luc Longley, 7' Bill Wennington, 6'10" Toni Kukoc and 6'9" Corie Blount to cover their biggest weakness as a small-ball team. They added sharpshooter Steve Kerr and a decent slashing SG in Pete Myers to the already formidable roster of Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, BJ Armstrong and an aging Bill Cartwright and John Paxon. Scottie's PER jumped from 19.2 to 23.2, 22.6 in 95.
First you didnt talk enough of Pippen all time great defense, the best SF defender of all time, now lets see how everybody sees bill russel, everyone thinks he is a legend because he dominated on defense and it was ok on ofense, BILL RUSSEL THE BEST CENTER DEFENDER OF ALL TIME WITH OK OFENSIVE SKILLS, SCOTTIE PIPPEN THE BEST SF DEFENDER OF ALL TIME WITH GREAT OFENSIVE SKILLS, if Russel is regarded as one of the best centers of all time, Pippen should be also considered one of the great SF of all time, top 5 easily even top 3. also how old are you did you even see Scottie Pippen play, did you?, he was a beast he could score 30 points if he wanted it to, but because is more important to jordan that category he did other equal important things, and for fuks sake, 10 al defensive for Pip and none to Hondo and you rub it off like it doesnt mean anithyng, just K. Leonard can be better than Pippen of the ones that you mention.
you are dumb as fuck. Pippen could have easily been a 30 point player per game. he played to make his team mates better. he was an all around player. he made other players better and Jordan didn't do that. adding clyde drexler instead of pippen, would not have worked. He would want to score just as much as Jordan and he wouldn't make other players better like pippen did and his defense was the best of all time. With out scottie playing style Jordan would not have won 6 championships without pippen. That's like saying magic wasn't one of the greatest players of all time. His scoring average was not one of the best, but he made plays to make his team mates better. you don't know shit about basketball. Scottie played the way they wanted him to play. and that was to get all the other players involved. Jordan never thought about doing that. Bottom line, No Scottie no rings.
13:35 "they lost by only 5 points" puts the score 90-86 up...
Yeah but they lost by 5 so he mean if they had 5 more points they would have won
Also 1994 was when he had his argument with Phil Jackson during the playoffs in game four, that was also controversial and he actually lost some respect from his teammates which is why he wasn't even on the court when Toni kukoc hit the game winning shot
Shawn Kemp and Scott Pippen trade rumor....would have been nice seeing Shawn Kemp playing with Michael Jordan instead.
Scottie was so humble and no selfish. He’s the guy who always got your back. I really love this guy even my pijama is he’s bulls jersey and short.
When it came to the playoffs in 93-94, ultimately Scottie was still more like a second option as he had a GameScore of 18.7 against Cleveland and a GS of 15.6 against New York. Horace Grant actually outplayed him in that series with a GS of 16.2. Patric Ewing outplayed them both with a GS of 18.7.
this man compared a LATE 90s EARLY 2000s pippen to a Early 70s Hondo.............
Ben Jimmy but stats were still a bit inflated in the early 70's
He should've included pacing as that affects how they had those stats...
Pippen' stats has more impact then most of those players, I would still argue that Elgin Baylor > Pippen, but not Barry or Hondo over Pippen...
When it comes to Pips 94 and 95 seasons. I already mentioned 94, but I'd like to zone in on 95. That was the greatest DEFENSIVE season by a perimeter player. And I'd put that season up against a dominant big man's defense. If I remember correct, the Bulls were second in team defense, 1st in defensive rating, while having the likes of Kukoc, Longley, and Wennington as the bigs, and BJ Armstrong and Pete Myers as the Guards. Pip led the league I'm defensive rating, steals and averaged a block a game. I also never understood why people make the claim that the Bulls were barely on the playoffs, they were a 6th seed when Jordan came back. To put perspective behind this, Remember what the Kobe Bryant led Lakers did immediately after Shaw left. Or Worthy when Magic left, or Wade after Shaq left. They faired MUCH WORSE. And while the talent that replaced the all time greats in those situations were never as good as good, they were much better than what Pippen got as Jordans replacement. I have spoon much more ammo. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Just too much to type. I just want to put this into its proper context.
Generally speaking yes Pip is overrated. He’s top 50 all time not top 30 all time.
MJ was older than Portland Scottie when he won his sixth ring and MJ did not look washed at all. If anything MJ looked like he could have gone for a few more championship run
Pippen was a Klay Thompson Kris Middleton Siakom type player but he gets a little overrated because a lot of context gets left out
he's neither a superstar nor a mere role player. he's somewhere in the middle. i think he benefitted greatly from playing with jordan as far his development as a player. a lot of people want to inflate pippen into a co-superstar in order to take away from jordan's career and if it were true than it is what it is but it's not. he had one breakout year in 94 and wasn't able to follow it up the next year. when he went to houston and then portland he was a third option on both those teams and his numbers dwindled year by year.
some will say it's because scottie was old but do you know that a 38 year old, out of shape, past his prime michael jordan battling injuries playing for the wizards had very similar numbers as a prime scottie pippen in 94?
You take away those rings... No doubt Dominique is better. Pippen is hands down one of the best defenders. But 16.1 ppg career average. ouch
obviously offensively he was just an above average/inconsistent scorer. not a great passer either. decent rebounder. so he's gonna give you 19-20 points, 7-8 rebounds, 5-6 assists a night. pretty good but not great. certainly not top 50 of all-time great. what puts him in that conversation was obviously that he did all of that while being an elite defender and having great team success. about the 8th or 9th best SF is a fair ranking i think. would be right around top 50.
way too much blabbering, 18min for Pippen being overrated is way too much and it felt that way. But yes he is, he was always going to be having played on a team that achieved so much. He's definitely Top 10 SF though, and I don't know about those older players being better than him. Pippen wasn't all about numbers, he was a lockdown defender and he played in the golden age 90's.
If anything he´s underrated. On MJ´s first retirement the Bulls only dropped 2 games and still made the playoffs with the player that replaced Jordan. I still believe to this day if the Sonics didn´t trade him we would be looking at a Sonics dynasty and not a Bulls 2 time three peat.
This nigga said Paul George......
Dreams Worth More Than Money he didnt say he is better than him rn. he said in the future he may be
Dreams Worth More Than Money why you sleeping on pg anyway
Haha lol. I said the same thing. 0=rings over 6=rings Paul George is not even close.
Youngest MVP Paul George is not even Half of TMac was.
Wildy Pantoja Rings are not really a good measure of who's a better player. I'm not a George fan but dig deeper.
With full respect to Scottie -- I'd say his biggest weakness was not being great at creating his own shot, off of the dribble, in a half court offense. Sure he could do it, but he was not good at it in my opinion.
the greatest offensive player and the greatest defensive player needed each other
There are slight differences: Jordan was great as a defender but couldn't really guard the 4 and the 5. Pippen could definitely guard the 4 and some 5's like Rodman did too. Rodman to me is slightly better than Scottie for he was a mental challenge for the guy he guarded too and the better rebounder. Whereas Scottie was deadly in the combination with Jordan (and Harper for example). Their pressure on the backcourt was just great to watch. Even with Jordan alone they forced so many steals together. So individually, yes, Rodman is the better defender. Yes, Jordan is on the same level guarding 1,2 and 3. But overall? Despite not winning DPOY, to me Scottie is more valuable for the team as a defender, not over Rodman but over Jordan. For the most part because I watched a ton of the Bulls games, Scottie had the edge on Jordan defensively, sorry to say
Pippen was the better defender. He led the league in defensive rating once, which Jordan never did. He led the league in playoff defensive rating twice, which Jordan also never did. Pippen also led all players in playoff defensive win shares THREE times compared to Jordan's one. Pippen also has a MUCH higher career defensive rating, while Jordan isn't even in the top 100. Pippen is also ranked higher than Jordan on the career defensive win shares list. Yeah we know Jordan won defensive player of the year, but that was during a season when the competition at the SG spot was pure garbage. Jordan was never the best defender during any of the championship years. It was Pippen doing the better job defending Magic Johnson, James Worthy, and Clyde Drexler on the perimeter, guarded Charles Barkley a few times in the post and took all those charges against Karl Malone. For the last 3-peat, Jordan was FOURTH overall on the Bulls in overall defensive rating behind Rodman, Pippen, and Harper.
What exactly is a defensive rating? All I can go by is stats and the eye test and Jordan comes out on top on both counts
when did pippen effectively and consistently guard a 4 and 5? guarding barkley for a few possessions doesn't count.
Scottie Pippen...is NOT overrated...! Scottie, plain and simple... Is the BEST... all around player...the NBA has EVER had....PERIOD...! His only flaw, was that he needed to be (more physical) than he was, at times. But other than that...Pippen (still is, to this day) the BEST... Jack of all trades...and even...pound for pound...a Master of more trades (on the court) than ANYONE else...i. e. (points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, defense, offense and coach ability...!) Pippen, was the "ultimate "... (Complete) PLAYER....!!!
You failed to mention he won the All-star game MVP in 1994. I am not sure if you were around to watch the NBA in the 1990s but most at the time considered Pippen to be an elite player. He was selected to play in the Olympics in 92 and 96. The breakdown of the playoff series against the Knicks to me doesn’t shed a lot of light into much. That Knicks team was brutal I remember every time the Bulls would play them it was a war to score any points. And that blown call in that playoff series still stings to this day.
Just delete this video dude. You're making yourself look very uneducated about the game of basketball in this video. MJ himself chose Scottie for his all time top 5 team. Just stop.
LOL
Facts
Of course Jordan would pick Scotty, he was Jordan’s side kick, as competitive as Jordan is/was calling other SFs from that era better than his sidekick is blasphemy to Jordan, this comment makes you seem uneducated as you are basing your opinion of the word of his TEAMMATE
EarvGotti he was on his team. I talk good about my own teamates in public even if they aren’t that good
Scotty was an all time great without having to be the alpha on the court, which is why Jordan has 6 rings. I think his reasoning was both. He likely wouldn't have half those rings without Scotty alone.
The professionalism and editing on this video is great. My thoughts on Pippen; he's borderline underrated, but also overrated.
Scottie Pippen is so underrated
Just for the records,when people say mj havent won without scottie at the playoffs,..well,first two years of pip that Bulls eliminated from Pistons at east semi ('88) and finals('89) Scottie was a 10-12 ppg player,not even close to an all star. At both loses from Pistons Pip was under 10 ppg,and at the '89 playoffs please notice that the Bulls ( aka as MJ ALONE) was the only team stole wins from the detroit squad.
He is not overrated. He was great talent and he had a lot to do with those 6 championships. He anr Jordan needed each other
You go and say Scottie didn't do great in the playoffs without Jordan. LeBron did terrible in the finals against Dallas with Wade and Bosh on the team. The guy refused to have the ball in his hands as time was winding down bruh. Game 4 of said finals he scored 8 points total, 2 of which came from him shoving off the defender and flopping. What Scottie did on defense was immeasurable. He had scorers passing up shots, day in day out he guarded the best player on the the opposite team and grabbed 6-7 boards, dropped 20ish points along with 5-6 dimes. If your going to mention that one run where Scottie did terrible you better bring up LeBron no showing throughout a whole finals series. Not saying LeBron ain't great but you can't talk about one bad series for one player and not bring up a terrible one for THE TOP player.
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1.This video is only about Pippen
2. When I do talk about LeBron I do bring up tht series
robhova how did u turn this into talking about lebron
trytin He brought up Scottie's bad playoff run and used it as a example of him not performing. I said LeBron who would be considered top 3 SF of all-time had a terrible championship series.
LeBron is a 3 time finals MVP so comparing Pippens bad play to Lebrons is pointless and stupid.
WildL23 how if Pippen only had 1 bad playoff stint? Very comparable in that point alone, not to mention Pippen actually tried, where as LeBron was just a no show.
When you play defense like Pippen you age quicker and he injured his back severely and still almost led the Jail Blazzers to a title each year he was there.
The things Pippen did don't even show up on the stat line... You don't know basketball.
Jordan never had a winning season without Pippen. Case closed...
damn right!
i'm sorry, but Nba legends have said scottie is overrated. Do they not know basketball?
X's 1st Disciple -Shane G who said it? Not Jordan, he said Pippen was underrated... Not Barkley, he told Jordan to his face on The Oprah Winfrey show. Not Karl Malone, not any legends that he checked or played with in his prime...
Not Phil, not Doug Collins who both say Pippen was a coach on the floor and that they would rather play with Pippen. Oh and not his teammates.
Not Jason Kidd either... Bs!
Why the hell Jordan gotta losing record without Pippen, but Pippen doesn't. He couldn't get 41 wins until Pippen showed up.
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you love pippin we get it but is he better then bron is he better than bird is he better than kd is he better than the dr j is he better than rick barry is he better than big game james is he better than Dominique is he better than elgin baylor dude he isn't even better than paul pierce if you put him over any of those player fine but c'mon son he never carried a franchise he was draymond green of the bulls a product of the system he was on if you take away jordan and the other bulls and threw him on the brooklyn nets of today is he a star my answer is no.
X's 1st Disciple -Shane G Kenny cant say anything and Zeke hold grudges on whoever he can and said K Malone was a weak link.
If Shaq said it he sick, barely beat and old attaché bag back pippin in game 7 to make it to the Finals. Pippen was a true basketball player at heart. All ppl see is flash
You missed one thing. In the 1993-94 season they added Kukoc and Kerr. I think Scottie Pippen is overrated, he’s not in my top 12 Small Forwards of all time, and he’s not in the top 50 greatest players of all time. Michael Jordan made Pippen. If the HOF was as strict as it should be, like football, then Scottie wouldn’t be in it.
The problem with you're arguments is that half of Pippen's value was defense, which can't be measured in stats. He may have had bad games in the playoffs offensively, but shut down the other teams best wing. More to the point, in your list of top SFs, he was the best defender. He's just a very difficult player to evaluate because so much of his game was invisible on the stat line.
Stop comparing players who played in the 50s to 70s to players who played from 85 to now it’s not nearly the same
if Scottie Pippen is overrated then Michael Jordan is underrated.
No Jordan is also overrated
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Herv3 this is true and yet Pippen was that good.
Bottom line: if Pippen didn't start in G5 in 1988 then Jordan would have been eliminated in the first round FOUR years in a row. If Pippen didn't make that crucial 3 pointer in G5 in 1989 then Jordan would have been eliminated in the first round FIVE years in a row. Who needed who more again? ...In 1989 the Bulls got a worse record than the previous year, with Jordan padding up his triple doubles as teammates complained of his ball hogging. They even went on 6 game losing streaks. Pippen missed 9 games that season where the Bulls only went 4-5 without him. G7 in 1990 is further proof that Jordan could NOT win without Pippen. End of.I like how you totally ignore the fact that Pippen in 1991 led all players in the postseason in defensive win shares, was the best overall performer against Detroit, and was the key for his few stops on the Laker offense. Or how about in 1992 when Pippen defended Clyde Drexler better and caused more turnovers on him, while Drexler made half his shots with Jordan on him. Or how about in the 1992 Finals when Pippen led bench players on a rally after trailing 15 points in the 4th quarter of G6 while Jordan was sitting on the bench because Phil Jackson saw he was ball hogging and playing out of system. Or how about in 1993 when the Bulls dropped 0-2 against New York, Pippen came alive and outshot Jordan 52% to 42% and nabbed the highest defensive rating of anyone on the floor to win the next 4 games. In G6 Jordan pukes all over the floor shooting 0 for 8 in the 4th quarter while Pippen saves him AGAIN. When the series was over, Patrick Ewing said the Bulls won "because of Pippen's play".In 1994 and 1995 Pippen had no good scorers with him. In seasons without Jordan, Pippen NEVER had another teammate averaged 20 points a game. Kukoc was basically just another Robert Horry. If Jordan only had Kukoc as his best option like Pippen had in 1995 the Bulls wouldn't even make a .500 record. Jordan NEVER achieved above a .500 record without Pippen. After Pippen announced he wouldn't return to Chicago, Jordan just chose to be a quitter again instead of trying to win with Kukoc as his second man. Weak.In 1999 both Olajuwon and Pippen openly complained that Barkley was the problem with the team's chemistry, not either of them. Even Clyde Drexler chose to retire a year early rather than deal with Barkley for another season. So I don't know why you're putting all this on Pippen.You've got to be joking with the 2000 Blazers. Loaded? A team with an out of prime Pippen, bench player Wells who only averaged like 13 minutes, Smith who was only a one-time All-Star (during the injured filled 1998 season), and Wallace in only his first All-Star appearance, is "loaded"? Your standards must be extremely low. I'm not sure how you expect such a team to defeat a 67 win Laker squad with a prime MVP Shaq, Kobe, Rice, Harper, Green, Fisher, Horry, Shaw coached by Phil Jackson and Tex Winter, yet an injured Pippen pushed that lineup to 7 games and got within 2 minutes of beating them. After Pippen leaves Portland they no longer have a winning record and miss the playoffs. The Wizards on the other hand missed the playoffs before Jordan got there, missed the playoffs with Jordan, and missed the playoffs after he left, losing records every time. When Chicago was rebuilding the management personally asked Pippen to mentor the new Bulls, not Jordan. Pippen was always the TRUE leader of that Bulls dynasty, as Phil Jackson himself personally stated.
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I watched those games. Excellent reply. Need to forward this to Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless who constantly sing praises and love songs to Jordan as the GOAT. I was a Jordan fan and a Bulls fan but I knew Pippen was the difference maker and made all of his teammates better including Jordan. Not to take away from Jordan's accomplishments but they would not have won 6 rings without Pippen most especially the last two. Jordan was Jordan but it must be said he was Jordan because of Pippen.
Robert Lee Correct. Even in Phil Jackson’s book Eleven Rings, Phil said in his own words that Scottie was the one who helped Michael to become Michael.
Bruh ur bugging....that Portland team was loaded...maybe too loaded. But they took the Lakers 7 games, I think, twice. Using player stats 4 that team makes no sense. They had so many great guys that no one played the minutes they could have. Chemistry, or lack thereof, was what hurt those Blazer teams
@Drink Me is probably a 12-year old who is unable to discuss things outside of their limited views and so he/she/it resorts to name-calling so he can pretend to be qualified to engage in discussions.
Didn't rick Barry win the 1975 MVP with the championship??
10:45 - I have never heard anyone say Pippen is one of the greatest players of all-time. 10:52 - What people?!? 10:52 - I have never heard anyone make the claim that Pippen is a top 10 player of all-time either. Most heads know Pips's place in basketballs hierarchy, which is why he is not overrated. The consensus is, all-time great, HOF'er, but nowhere near the conversation of top 10 or one of the greatest of all-time.
Points and stats don't tell the whole story. The game was completely different back when Scotty and Jordan played. Today if you breath on somebody in the NBA you get a personal foul. Players are scared to foul out of the game. Causing them to move out of your way and letting you score at will. If Scottie and Jordan played today, they'd put up way higher numbers do to how the game is currently played. I also believe that if Lebron played back in Jordan's era his numbers would've been substantially lower.
What's about Bernard King?
Julian Lang I totally thought the same thing he was unstoppable
Dominique Wilkins IS better than Pippen.
The next video should be comparing Magic to Bird
Have never seen(till now)a defender like Scottie,who actually could guard everyone from point to a power forward,plus an excellent all-around player,let no forget-Chicago was a mediocre team before Scottie joined in 1987,he led them to a 55 wins and to a tight playoff series with Nicks,a season after Michael's retirement,a great player and a teammate
Pippen was legit. Nique was only a better scorer because he shot more with a scorer mentality, but skill wise, Pippen was a better all around offensive player too IMO, and if you just want strictly a scorer-Melo was a better scorer than Nique. Kawhi is not close to the play maker Pippen was and lesser footwork, handles, post game and rebounding too. James Worthy is tough to place due to his lack of handles and play making and shooting.
Of course i'd go Lebron, and Bird and Dr J over PIP but hard to rate Elgin and Barry and Hondo. It's really hard for me to rate 50s,60s, 70s players pre merger and i even have a tough enough time rating DR J over KD and Pippen skills wise. Dr J was an open court player with weak handles and a weak shot and below average play making but his accolades and incredible defensive stats make it easier.. He was like a super James Worthy in a lot of ways with the Pippen/Hondo/Kawhi defensive metrics. His career offensive stats are overblown because of his ABA stats. As an NBA player, he was a 22-7-4-2-1.5 type of player with really good D.Very Kawhi like without the 3 pointer and better blocking.
If my list was POST NBA/ABA merger for a modern ranking, i'd go
1.LeBron
2.Bird
3.DR. J
4.Durant(should pass Dr. J very soon)
5. Pippen
6. Controversial but i watched him- i go Grant Hill strictly peak talent level - career longevity wise i'd probably go Paul Pierce here, but i foresee Kawhi eventually being here.
This video has a bunch of inaccuracies. Sorry Bruh but your video doesnt use all aspects that make him underrated/Overrated. Things you said in this video, like speaking on what makes a player "Great" when players dont show up in important ganes, you did not use in an arguement for other players in your videos. As well as comparing the Full "Historic" Stat line against all the other Forwards in that top 10 list. You barely covered Defense comparisons and did not stress the fact that Pippen played a different Role then the players compared... You gotta make the arguement a fair one bruh. Its not all about the Stat line.
No Pippen= No rings for jordan nuff said
Uncle Drew23 no shit Sherlock he still overrated though
TheGMgamer no. Pippen was the Bulls best defender and he guarded all of the best players of the opposing team. I remember watching he lakers vs bulls in the finals and Magic was cooking up jordan so jordan couldn't handle him and asked to switch for pippen to guard him while jordan guarded a nobody. pippen is top 30 of all time and top 5 SF of all time. not even debatable cause i watched them play
Uncle Drew23 Just because you watched him play doesn't mean anything. He's no where near top 5 sf ever gtfo with that stupid nonsense.
emery hadnott gives me credibility. you never watched him so you have no validation to say anything. you only watch highlights and videos of other people talking. i actually saw him play in the flesh. stfu his top 5 SF he was a superstar and he is one of the best defenders in the history of the game. don't act like jordan is a god. Jordan couldn't win a playoff series without pippen
overrated but still played the second most important role for his team
The Bulls didn't start winning championships until Pippen came along, just saying
Aaron9 He was an all star in 90 so how does your argument have any logic?
And he was all-defensive in 91...
@Aaron9 thank you!
Definitely not overrated. Pippen played for a long time, which is the reason why his overall stats are a bit low.
Scotties a great player the only ones who overrate him are brons fans trying to overrate Scotties career in order to tarnish mjs legacy
you reveal your complete misunderstanding of basketball with this complete hit piece on Pippen.... Worthless 17:35 seconds of my life....Who knows more about basketball you or Michael Jordan? you know what Jordan said? Scottie Pippen is my MVP...CASE CLOSED
James Warren III Michael Jordan cant even make a good basketball team
Did you say Paul George could have a similar career to Scottie pippen....
The Baws not campionship wise but very similar, exceptional defense, all around great scorer, always guards the best player on the opposer regardless of position, similar statline. give paul george some talent and he will win chips just like scottie
Switt Eh, look at pauls stats this year, he's not doing so hot. Scottie imo is a much better defender too, Paul George is a good defender, but people overrate it because of his steals.
The Baws Oh hell no he needs to stop getting so many turnovers and shooting under 45% before you say that.
Prophecy95 I didn't say it?
The Baws Lol!! My bad i didn't see i just blanked out when i saw ''Paul George better then Scottie Pippen''.
Do a video about whether or not Stephen Curry is overrated in the past 3 seasons (Including this one)
Ayrthon Perez that's simple, curry is the greatest shooter in nba history. He's on a team that has built a system around his style of play. He has great handles, good mid-range, good layups, and is a good passer but He can't do anything on defense, and is inconsistent. He has a lot of great talent surrounding him, and his team is built around the three. He has made the whole nba, and any basketball players want to use threes more. Being a 2x mvp is was deserved in the regular season. He's led the warrior team to a lot of success when he's been healthy, has the whole league talking everytime he's on the floor. So he's definitely not overrated, unless someone tries to say he's better than Jordan or lebron
Saying he doesn't doing anything on defense is wrong.
***** my bad he plays 10 ft off his man, waits for players to do something stupid and steals it, and gets crossed up by everyone
Does more than harden on defense.
he is overrated
No one you have listed as 1-5 is as great a playmaker (outside of LeBron James) as Pippen was. Bird, Wilkins, & Dr. J were amazing but not shut-down defenders. Man Jordan left and Pippen almost made it to the Eastern Conference Finals with Pete Myers when the East was still a beast. And that Argument about the Bulls still having 3 all-stars doesn't diminish Pippens impact on that 93-94 squad. And Yes..Hugh Hollins ghost call in a decisive game 5 in the second round was a series turner. 93-94 season was great for Scottie...since he was opposing teams primary focus his numbers were still impressive. Fact: Pippen enjoyed the most post-season success in after the Bulls broke up in 1998. Mike never won a playoff series before Scottie's arrival to Chicago in '87 nor when he played his final years as a Washington Wizard.
he is the perfect guy for a great player, and all great players need that guy
Scottie wasnt born as a leader . And do you think Jordan would have won if he played with melo
HHGB - DeGenz thats what i mean . Jordan needed pippen and pippen needed jordan
CrYpToN_Epiic Pippen is much more valuable and all arounded player than Melo
CrYpToN_Epiic Jordan would've won with any all star that could play defense he didn't need anyone to score more than 16ppg
Hey man, i'm glad you are comparing using POSITIONS,.my two cents: Pippen was a BETTER DEFENDER than all the players in your list,.If we talking about PRIME YEARS, in a team context, i'd pick pippen over anyone in your list except maybe larry bird, though Bird won more rings when he was a PF,. Most people put too much emphasis on the Offensive stats and Star Value,. People forget that basketball is a TEAM game,. offense win games, defense win championships,. Lebron did worse than pippen in most of his playoffs games including 2 finals, and finals, technically, are still a playoff series. i do remember lebron in 2010, CAVS won 61 games and was number 1 in the NBA, they played against 50 win boston in the 2nd round,. bron just disappeared in the last 3 games,. in 2011 bron totally choked with Wade and bosch by his side, which, in my opinion, are better players than BJ Armstrong and Horace Grant,. If you sorround Pippen with Players like Kyrie and Kevin Love, i think he will compliment them more than Lebron., Kyrie will have more points and kevin love will have more rebounds, and Cavs will be much more better in defense,. Lebron and Pippen both act as the primary Playmaker of their teams, but lebron is more offense oriented while pippen is more defense oriented,.
In your opinion Wade and Bosh better payers than BJ Armstrong and Horace Grant. That is a fact bro. Its not just an opinion.
Pippen? Meh. He was a star, but never truly elite.
What kill me is the end when you talking about the Knicks. That's when they played defense. Those games were more like dog fights. That's another thing that bothers me about comparing todays league with the past. All those numbers and stats would be lower if they played against and were forced to play defense like in the era before theirs. Anyone can test this out, play a game were you can hand check, they play another where you can't. Pretty simple test and anyone can do it. Then do the same thing where you put money on the game and then you will have an idea what real tough defense does to a game and your "stats" lol
The greatest defensive small forward in HISTORY can never be overrated.
Scottie isn't overrated, he's underrated. He showed incredible maturity to take a backseat to Michael Jordan for the good of the team. if it wasn't for Scottie, the Bulls and Michael wouldn't have 6 titles.
Bruh he was suppose to take a backseat
You need to make a is Kobe overrated video. Probably want because your a laker fan but let's see 🤔.
KR1MZ GAMING I thought low was a Celtic fan?
yea i thought so too
KR1MZ GAMING please give me reasons why Kobe is overrated?
AngelSurge SSX people say his top 2 all time, people still think his better than Lebron, and people think he deserves more MVPs.
It's a lot more but don't feel like typing it
role player.
Scottie is now and always will be a all time great I don't care what anybody say NUFF SAID
he may be the most underrated player ever. he put up 20 with Mike taking 30 shots a game. only players on your sf list that play both ways are LeBron and kawhi. 20 points 8rebs and assist... while guarding the best player every night.
So weird that people just looking at statistic these days
I think a a better question is "Is Michael Jordan Overrated?"
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im not sure how someone with 6/6 final mvp's can be overrated...thats essentially a god
TheBoyWhoCriedWolfe Defensively I think he is.
I think he is, mostly due to when he entered the league, taking the spotlight from Bird and Magic and turning Basketball and the NBA into a global phenomenon - helps his legacy.
People referring to 6 in 6 is great, but it is a team sport, and there were seasons where they couldn't even get home court advantage let alone make the finals.
TheBoyWhoCriedWolfe Gods cant be rated bruh
Listen bro, Back in the old days in the 60s to middle 70s them boys were trash if they were to play in the 80s the 90s and even today. With exception of oscar Robinson wilt chamberlain Kareem magic and bird everybody was trash if you take lebron and put him on bill russell's team lebron would get more rings than Russell easily. The average height for a player was like 6,4 to like 6,6. Bill Russell back than was tall as shit but now you got players that are 7,3 6,8 6,10 like Bruh if you take any elite player from the 90s to present they will win the same amount maybe even more than bill Russell so stop it Bruh rick Barry would be trash if he played in any era. You take pippen he could play in every era and still succeed. I like how you skip over the time he lead his team without Jordan the first time he retired. Scottie is definetly top 3 sfs of all time the only thing you can really argue is he only got 6 rings because of Jordan but even that i feel like he would've at least got 1 ring without jordan
My bad you did talk about the time Jordan retired the first time and scottie carried the team. But yeah Scottie top 3 all time without a doubt
Yeah but back then the league was a whole lot smaller. Wilt chamberlain is on the fence too I can't see wilt being a all time great player for the same reason but I give him props for scoring 100 points something that probably nobody will ever do that's why I put wilt ahead of bill. It's hard for me to say bill is good player he really isn't he just had no competition because he was considered tall back then, today he wouldn't even win 1 ring, because lebron is just that good
Don't hate Appreciate nah not one ring without Jordan. He's not like that. He can't carry a team like Jordan did. And u can't blame them , that's their time period , they played who they had to play. Scottie is overrated but he's still good
Nah man, I get that it was a different time period but to me if your an all time great you can play and adapt to any era,
some of these old players if you put them in today's game they won't be as successful. I get that pippen can't carry a team like Jordan did but pippen still had success without Jordan. He didn't do as bad as wade after lebron left. Or he didn't do as bad as Kobe after Shaq left. He still took his team far into the playoffs. Stuff like that makes you a better player when you can carry your team by yourself regardless of how your stats are. Idk man to me I can't name small forwards other than lebron and bird that are better then him that's just my opinion. I see why people say he isn't top 3 but to me that's just disrespectful
Correction: Wilt won his 1st championship against Bill Russell and the Celtics in 1967.
You can't judge scottie pippen by just his stats. scottie was a great defender, scottie made all the other players better by getting them involved, pippen was a point forward and that really made a difference because you had a great defender, ball handler, and made his team mates better. Scottie Pippen was the perfect style player for Jordan. No other point/ forward does the intangibles that Scottie does. That was needed for Jordan's style of play. Bottom line, No Scottie, no rings.
I think a similar question can be asked of Bill Russell. He's often in the GOAT (not just centers but all players) list, but offensively speaking, he has the most pedestrian numbers compared to other centers considered all-time greats. He never shot well (44% for career from the field, 56% from the line), never scored 20 ppg for a season, etc. It's no secret that Boston was loaded with Hall of Famers back then, so if he were to switch places with Wilt who didn't have the same supporting cast, could Russell have carried teams on offense? Guess we'll never know for sure, but the numbers don't look good.
But similarly to Pippen, I think the fact that he's the greatest defensive player of all time makes up for his shortcomings on the offensive end of the floor. Russell was what his team needed.
90-86=5?
strolling down to see who else got that
Scottie Pippen isn’t even in a space where he can be overrated. I feel like everyone has a general and accurate understanding of where Scottie’s ability falls. Btw go watch some FULL bulls games and you might want to change your mind. This video seems like it’s just for views tbh
The 33 argument is not solid. Scottie had played in 6 finals in 8 years at that point. That’s almost 2 extra seasons mixed in.
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I remember the eastern conference finals against the Knicks in '94. A bad call cost Pippen a trip to the finals. This without MJ. I remember what he looked like after the call. Pippen had drive to prove that it wasn't just Jordan. He had a drive and motivation that better players like Barkley and Nique did not have.
Why do people love to hate on Scottie Pippen? He was a good all around player.
If you watched Scottie's career like I did as a kid (watched Bulls from 1983 till 1998) then you could see that he improved a great deal by his second and third year. He had to guard and be guarded by MJ in practice and got a LOT better because of it. I'm not sure what his career would have been without that pressure, but I do think he would have still been All-Star level if he played without MJ, but probably not really a top 50 to 75 player.
You weren’t watching hevhad to take bad shots because he was the only shot creater. Grant scored off his assists...and you fail to mention he is arguably the best perimeter player of all time with offensive game. Russell just played D and grabbed boards for most part with hall of famers in a watered down league lol. Pippen is a top 3 SF and basically started the point forward trend that LeBron and Simmons use..he revolutionized the game.
if scottie pippen didn't carry a team full of scrubs 93/94 season but the same could be the said about MJ too but for a career Jordan was phenomenal but the Bulls were almost the warriors of the nineties
Horace Grant was criminally underrated with the Bulls. Almost as much as Pau Gasol gets underrated for what he did for the Lakers. Pippen was an all time top 10 defender but his overall offensive game simply wasnt special. On that side of the ball there are countless guys just as good or better all time.
Pippen was the best defensive SF of all time . He was underrated . Go back and look at the bulls runs. Pippen defense was a key factor to the bulls 6 championship rings .
You guys keep trying to rate players by scoring first. Jordan didn't win when he was scoring 60+ against Boston; he still lost. Pippen played with his teammates. He didn't care about scoring. He took the Bulls further without Jordan than Jordan did without him.
Jordan was drafted to the 2nd worst team in the league to a franchise with no history of winning. Jordan also played in arguably the greatest Eastern Conference of all-time. Scotty took over a 3peat team with six new players in a East riddled with injuries and deaths.
great video as always
also why didnt you mention the fact that worthy is (arguably) better then pippen
You keep on forgetting pip is not an all star scoring player, he's more of a defensive who can score really well
Pippen is overrated and clearly not a top 10 SF He is lucky to have played with Jordan otherwise he would be just like Ricky Pierce today