Scottie Pippen is one of the more overrated players in league history - Skip I NBA I UNDISPUTED
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Excerpts from Scottie Pippen’s memoir still have social media buzzing yesterday as Pippen didn’t hold back about how he felt about Michael Jordan and his documentary “The Last Dance.” Some people are criticizing Pippen for calling out the teammate that helped turn him into a household name, while others are sticking up for Pippen's important role on the Chicago Bulls' dynasty. Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe debate whether Pippen's career is overrated or underrated.
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Scottie Pippen is one of the more overrated players in league history - Skip I NBA I UNDISPUTED
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Skip seems to be begging for a player to just run his character in the dirt. And the words they use to attack him are going to visceral because he loves to pick ONE event and make that their entire career and slam with with emotions. He will never answer Shannon’s question he will just say “well yea”. Where ever Jason Whitlock is that is where Skip needs to go. He is Pippen and Shannon is Jordan
I think he is the best DEFENDER
@@jaytaylor3273 : EXCELLENT🍷🍷🌹👔👑🏀!!!
Skip really the GOAT unless he talking about Tebow, T.O, Lebron, Cowboys 😂😂😂
Shannon: "Hey yo Skip, I had some really bad diarrhea last night!"
Skip: "I know, I was there, and I covered it"
Boo 👎😑
Look here 300 y'all gone leave my dude Skip alone 😂 When you get older you gonna realize you had a great life! I know it's hard to understand that Skip covered the war between the states but that's YOUR issue!!😂🤣😂
skip forgets how vital pippen was to the 1991-1993 bulls...when he was a true superstar..yes by 1998 he started to be a bit over the hill on offense...but late 1990-mid1997 pippen is one of the best two way wing players for a 7 year stretch in nba history and thats a fact....he was not just mj's sidekick he was legit a top 1a at worst 1b wing in the nba every year of that span next to peak grant hill a few hairs better than james worthy and better than chris mullin glen rice peak larry johson peak robert horry reggie lewis...and it was not even close between him and those guys in those 6 years for who you would rather have...grant hill was the only one who came close and it was clear hill was 2nd to pippen on the wing due to defense...and hill was basically a walking 21.5 9 7 and 2 a night on 48% fg for a 5 year stretch
Skip: I know…I was there…I covered it…it was bad!…it was a 3 roll event.
Awesome comment true skip has covered everything geez
Can we appreciate the fact they are constantly taking about Jordan and the Bulls almost 25 years later? That's how great they were.
And to this day his shoe line is still what all the young people want to wear over any other basketball player.
@@anthonyriordan2391 if all you hear is this shoe is good wouldn't u want one?
@@arnoldjohn5581 I'd love to have some. I wear SC3s mostly, and by mostly I mean every day lol. Yeah they're awesome shoes, I do think people, some people, get too obsessed I over Jordans but almost everyone has something like that's whether it's their car or their physique or whatever
this was literally the purpose of the last dance ... Jordan knows he is fading so he needed to do something after the 2016 comeback
It's funny how skip says "he covered the Chicago bulls last dance" or "he was there in 1998" but nobody saw his credentials in the documentary
Mike is probably annoyed by skip all i can gather
It was an espn film I don’t think skip would be put on that after leaving espn!
@@gptsiteuser it don't matter cuz i saw reporter's from CNBC and Boston globe reporter's too. Mike wanted guys that he liked and skip for all that talk about him seems his unlikeable by mike
Lmao 🤣🤣
I wish Unc shay would call him out on that one day...
Yea rookie Scottie Pippen's 7.9 PPG was really the reason why Jordan won MVP in '88 lol. FOH Shannon. Jordan came in 2nd in MVP voting in '87 (Magic won) and Pippen wasn't even around. Jordan was gonna win one anyways without Pippen.
You don't know that. I'm sure people said the same thing about Ewing, Barkley, Miller, and others, and look how it worked out.
@@georgeklimes7604 Yeah but none of those guys had MJ on their team. Michael would’ve one with another sidekick. But we can play the what if game for perpetuity.
@@alltheworldsastage8597 His scoring average was not substantially different from that of greats who never won. You have to have good help. Having "competent" help may not get you there. Wilt scored over 50 per game in the 1961-62 season but did not win a championship. That's WAY higher than what Jordan ever averaged. In fact, it's like he got what Jordan averaged and scored another 20 (basically like having another player), but it didn't matter. He averaged over 30 for the next 5 seasons after that (getting 44 points per game in 1962-63), but he didn't win. He did win when he averaged "just" 24 and 21 points per game the two times he got the championship. That alone is telling.
Skip just said the greatest sidekick ever is a bum just because he's in love with Jordan, he also forgave MJ for not putting him in the Last Dance.
Lmaooooooooooooooo
Do we consider early Kobe as a sidekick?
@@mitchellajieroh no. He had a dum dumb coach who wouldn't play him
@@mitchellajieroh yup Kobe was a sidekick at one point. That became an all time great.
@@mitchellajieroh no
I want everyone to go back to every video about The Last Dance this show covered, and take a shot every time Skip said "I was there in 1998". Lets see how many shots everyone has taken 😂😂😂
I'm in the hospital now bruh
Lmao
Ima have to raise up like the undertaker tomorrow
Alcohol poisoning
You are too young to know dipshit. He actually was there for the bulls and the dinosaurs
3:10 Shannon kept pointing at Skip I couldn’t stop dying 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
How long are we gonna undermine the quality of players on court for the sake of making Jordan and LeBron seem more impressive? Next thing we will hear is Wade, Davis, Kyrie, and Rodman weren’t All-Star caliber players.
Lebronsexuals have already told us Wade had bum knees, Davis and kyrie couldn't win without Lebron so basically...they are all bums in the eyes of Bronsexuals.
Thing is nobody discredits lebrons teamates everyone hates Lebron had good teamates crying about super teams. But act as if Rodman was irrelevant and the disrespect to Scottie is mind blowing. Rodman is one of the greatest defenders and rebounders of all time.
To be fair Rodman wasn’t all star caliber. Joined the bulls at age 34 and never made the all star team for 6 consecutive years- 3 with the bulls and 3 with the teams right before he joined the bulls
@@ogskywalker5669
Pippen is a career 16ppg player and Rodman is a career 13 rpg and 7 ppg.
Meanwhile bron fan boys try to paint them as SUPERSTARS while they talk trash about Wade's knees, AD and Kyrie's lack of winning titles before Lebron and don't even mention the fact he played with Ray Allen.
Ray Allen and Wade already had titles before lebron AND wade even had a FMVPs.
@@jrsmithfanpage7558 Rodman really shoulda been an all star and it was a travesty he wasn’t making it back then. He was the best rebounder and best defensive power forward in the league.
He did lead the Bulls to 55 wins in 94 when MJ was retired, and was a Hubert Davis call away from moving on to eastern conference finals where they most likely would've beaten Indians, but I don't think they would've beaten Houston in the finals without MJ. And helped Portland extend to a game 7 against Lakers in 2000 with a great performance in game 5. He's not overrated.
And then in the season after that he went 23-25 before MJ came back and saved him
Blah blah blah media talk…the 94 Bulls improved the roster with Kukoc etc etc..that’s why Houston wouldn’t have beat Chicago if MJ didn’t retire…in 95 Grant left and the Bulls sucked and in 94 they lost in the second round not the conference championship and the trailblazers lost to the lakers in the conference finals the year before Scottie…they went no further with Scottie addded🤣✌🏽
Portland made the WCF in 99, Scottie was meant to be the deal breaker
@@mrjadter Horace left... Nobody can do it on their own.
Don't forget he took Portland to the playoffs during the west had our Era with kobe and shaq
"He was old though." He was 33. Steph is currently 33. KD is also 33 and came back last year after an Achilles tendon injury.
Played in a tougher era.
Skip: "I was there." Scottie: "So where was I?"
a bit hard to see, he's under Jordan's shadow most of the time.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 “so where was I?”
pippen the only player to win 6 rings as a starter and was the 2nd best player on those teams since the start of the 70's next to mj..speaks volumes....he is more important then people admit
@@razkablePippen wasn't a ready made star when he got into the league. I think many people credit Jordan for being integral in Pippen realizing his potential. As such, Pippen is not credited for being some superstar on the team; but was overshadowed because Jordan was just a little better. I think this is the narrative that Pippen wants out there. However, this narrative is false. Honestly, there would be no Pippen without Jordan.
Skip needs to stop hating. Scottie is out of his mind for this, but he isn't overrated. I love MJ. Skip also is an MJ fan, but admit that Scottie was great too!
I’ve never seen such a blasphemous title. Pippen is one of THE greatest Two-Way players the league has ever seen
The man had the ability to do just about everything on the court
Except score
He barely averaged over 19 ppg
Without Pippens Tough Play Jordan would have not had success against those tough Pistons and Knick teams! 💪🏿
@@ArtisanWindchimes pretty much during their finals runs he averaged 19-21 ppg.
Peter Paz why didn’t he average 25 when Jordan retired then?
Jordan guarded Magic for the majority of the 1991 Finals. If you want to say the series flipped in game 2 when Scottie guarded Magic, then fine. But go watch game 3 and see who was guarding Magic for the majority of that game. The full game is on RUclips.
Magic lost that series but he destroyed mj....
@@lusterthomas110 doesn’t matter if you lose, just like LeBron against the 2015 Warriors. Doesn’t matter
@@i_chosen_one_ips432 just like Jordan vs Boston too
@@lusterthomas110 lmao yea he destroyed MJ with 18 8 12. Meanwhile MJ 31 6 11 3 steals 1.5 blocks. 56% from the field
@@lusterthomas110 lol what?
Scottie led the dream team in assists, a team with Magic and Stockton. Amongst superstars of superstars, he led in dimes and Charles led in scoring
Doesn't mean much. D-Wade led the Redeem Team in scoring over Lebron and Kobe.
doesnt this mean he’s basically lebron james?
Overrated. I remember saying that then
@@Jon155mt And dwade is one of the greatest sgs ever😂 What do you mean
Dwade is only behind Jordan and Kobe tho🤣🤣
Scottie Pippen is the most under appreciated Champion of all time !
Dwade
I don’t know how you can be viewed as the greatest wingman and one of the greatest defenders and be under appreciated
Mozgov
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@@gatorboy21king he has 6 rings and doesn’t get enough recognition unless it’s something controversial.
Scottie Pippen was one of the best defensive players ever, even Kobe acknowledged that. Skip is totally wrong
My educated guess is if Scottie Pippen hadn't been on the same team as Jordan, he wouldn't have developed into the player that he became. Jordan gave him the assurance to miss shots here and there because if Pippen couldn't deliver, Jordan could just score 60 that night.
Best NBA duo ever 👏👏 Can't imagine 23 without automatically seeing 33 🏀🏀
Definitely they are but Kobe Shaq might be better
Kobe and Shaq: Kareem and Magic, Stockton and Malone. All better. Anyone decent paired with Jordan would be great.
@@vegetalover9297 not with only 3 rings and a loss
Jordan and pippen was the best duo
I can.
Jordan and Malone wouldn’t have worked not enough balls to go around. Stockton and Jordan could have worked but no where near as good as Jordan and Pippen because of the lack of perimeter defense pippen brought. Barkley and Jordan wouldn’t have worked for the same reason Malone and Jordan wouldn’t have worked. Actually now that I think about it no one could have complimented Jordan the way Pippem did outside of a guy like Lebron who has a similar skillset.
Scottie is under appreciated. Amazing defensively and Jordan started winning after Scottie was drafted.
Jordan didn't start winning BECAUSE of Pippen. Stop pushing false narratives.
No he didn’t Pippen was a bum until 91
@@JoseHernandez-dd1jk Pip made the all star team by his 3rd year in the league. He was solid when they finally let him start for a full season. Doug Collins tried to use him as a 6th man at first lol 😅. This is is why coaching matters boys and girls
@@LakersNinersFan get off Jordan's nuts with your nonsense! He was a complete loser before Pippen when Jordan retired Pippen won 50 plus games without Mike and then when they both separated after 98 Jordan was a loser in Washington as well
Jordan didnt start winning playoff series b/c of Pippen, but he did start winning chips when Scottie took that leap
I always love how the chick will ask Shannon a question, and Shannon will respond to skip
💀
She gets mad lmfao
That’s because he hit 😂😂
@@mrsmokeright 🤣🤣🤣
Pippen was a great player, but Skip is right: He wouldn´t have been named a top 50 player, if he was the leader of his team, no way. Not good enough offensively. By the way I like this story (told by former teammate Chris Hodges): “I can remember this time in, I think, 1990 when Scottie decided to challenge Michael one day in practice. Michael kind of backed up for a half-second. Then he proceeded, literally, to score on Scottie at will. It was incredible. I mean, Scottie Pippen even then was one of the best players in the league and Michael just rained points on him. Scottie had to step back and say, ‘Slow up, man.'”
Agreed. Jordan's years in Washington are statistically about as good as scottie best season. 16 , 5 , and 6 aren't h.o.f numbers unless you're with mj winning titles . Mj came into the league averaging 28 for a bulls team that damn near was to be sold. Pippen won because of mj , there's no way mj wouldn't have been a champion even without pippen. The more he talks like this the more the points of him being overrated get revealed.
I never looked at winning championships as being considered the best. Jordan’s talent was obviously above anybody else. Scottie was decent offensively. It was his defense that was all world.
Decent? He was very good offensively for the time actually.
@@punch975 exactly for THAT time. He had size so it was respectable. But if defense in any era would be elite. Jordan never played with another elite scorer
@@punch975 he was not very good
Seems like this time Pippen is the one that took it personally.
🤣🤣🤣
MJ finally getting his energy back
He should've took what Future did personally 😂
Pippen taking things personally is different from when Jordan did it, Jordan made people eat their words and all Pippen does is pout.
@@thegod5698 Pippen looking at the Gucci flip flop, that’s a scary sight
So Pippen didn't get Jordan a call or condolences after his father passed says a lot about Pippen. MJ is the goat and yes he was arrogant but that's what made him great. Rodman was great defensively but for for them to win with Rodman as a liability on offense. Only player Jordan played with that was great was Pippen in my opinion.
When you have an all-time great scorer like Kobe, MJ, kevin durant etc. the best way to make sure they succeed is to build the team around them, you don’t get more ball-dominant shooters. The reason the Bulls were so successful is because Jordan put up the buckets while the other guys were legendary role players.
Scottie is perfectly rated in my opinion.
Agreed.
16ppg 5rpg and 4apg for your career and being put as one of the best is simply overrated. The guy shot 33% from 3s and 70% from Fts. Plus, Chris Webber, Chris Mullin and Grant Hill had better career PER than him. He is overrated.
@@jordzbuenafe6239 casual
Unless you think he is top 20-25, Scottie is a top 30-45 player ever.
Agree. I don't think he has anything to prove and I don't get why he's pulling these stunts rn. I doubt Scottie even knows what would make him feel satisfied at this point.
Look folks , without Phil Jackson , Scottie Pippen , Dennis Rodman , Ron Harper , or Robert Horry ? Jordan or Kobe would have ZERO Rings , and be both just another Tracy McGrady , or Vince Carter Dunk Master .
you forgot the guys in the bench that take care the towels and drinks.without them jordan doesnt win.these guys need to be appreciated....
@@juventinos81 Oh yeah you mean the guys that take care of Jordan's chewed gum , fill his Gatorade cup , or take his funky towels off of his head or neck 😂 . I agknowledge those suckers 😂
Without Wade and Kyrie LeBron would be a glorified Shawn Marion lmao
@@cruzzz5738 Bwahahahahahaha ITAFJ ? Shawn Marion ? Shawn Marion isn't worthy to wash Lebron's Tripple Double Average in the Finals / Finals MVP jock strap doof . Shawn Marion is a G League talent compared to Lebron . Lebron is the Greatest Impact NBA player ever that has played and defended 5 positions for 19 seasons . Others play in a system . Lebron is his own Championship system . Lebron's resume is unheard of Greatness , maximum impact , unchallenged , unmatched by anyone .
Lebron will be the Scoring King in the Regular Season , Playoffs , and Finals soon .
Lebron will have statues and His Numbers retired for 3 or more teams when he retires
Only player to win 4 Finals MVPs for 3 teams in the West or East within 2 season on each team .
Can resurrect any team with any player or coaches and win Finals MVP within 2 seasons . He has done it 3 times already
Has went to 10 Finals with 5 different Coaching Staffs hahahahaha . That's because Lebron was the Head Coach of all of his teams .
Lebron traded half of his team personally mid season for new players from a losing team . Developed those unproven players personally , and still made the 2018 Finals .
If you can find , or name an NBA player EVER with EPIC stats , and accolades like this ? You're a Brain Surgeon Hahahahahahaha Good Luck .
Lies. He was a mvp and dpoy before pippen even got there. And Vince and t Mac don’t have either, smh.
16:13 Jordans gambling rumors wasn't in 1998 either...but they put it in there.
To the people that say Scottie was trash his rookie year…keep in mind he only was allowed to play 20 mins a game as a top 5 pick in the draft. When they let him start in game 5 of the Closeout game against the Cavs he had 24 points 5 assists 6 rebounds and 3 steals. He had potential they just ain’t let him show it until later in the year.
Ok..he had one good game....but as a no5 pick....trash....he was trash for 3 years....
Did people forget how long it took Kobe to develop? Remember the air ball game? He was pretty messy for a few years. To his credit he kept working and won 2 without Shaq
So you gonna ignore how he had 2 points in 24 minutes the game after against the pistons? Or how he had 4 points in 26 minutes the game after that? Or how he had 15 points in 32 mins? Or how he had 15 points in 37 minutes? Or how he had 11 points in 42 mins?
It wasn’t just Scottie , they also drafted Horace grant
@@famousdex1782 these Laker/Bron stans love cherry picking info
Isiah Thomas called Scottie Pippen overrated too 😂
Isiah also called Lebron the goat, so I guess he only speaks facts
“It took Shaq moving on for us to get a proper appreciation of Kobe and his ability”. What did Scottie pippin do when he moved on from the bulls and Jordan? Never averaged over 15 points at Houston or at Portland. Never made a finals series the list goes on. Michael went to the wizards and still averaged 21 points a game in his time there including 8 games with 40+.
Nobody saying he better than mike boss. He underrated because his prime was him being the second best player in the league for 3 different 3 peats
@@johnnywolfington2975 LMAO Pippen was never top 5 let alone the 2nd best player in the league.
Skips acts like he’s the only person who witness the bulls play with their own eyes😂😂
exactly.Skip tripping. I lived in chicago from 80s to 2000s... Scottie got LOVE in chicago. he was NEVER looked at as over-rated. Jordan got the most love but scottie was lebron status in chicago during that time. bj armstrong and kukoc , rodman and steve kerr, etc Everybody got love in chicago and everybody played a role in the win
But was you there?
But no team got Chilove like "da Bears" from 85. The kicker was getting endorsement deals.
skip likes to underrate the 1991-1993 playoffs pippen had...man was basically 22 8.8 and 6.5 2.1 and 1.2 a night back then in wins on good shooting numbers fg% wise and elite defense...thats a legit superstar next to mj not some robin...he was the best wing in the nba ...the best sf those 3 playoffs...
@@russellburgess684 Umm no. The bears don't compare to the Jordan bulls.
Pippen was best perimeter defender in nba history. Led bulls in every category except scoring. Was on Dreamteam in 92. Is in hall of fame. He was definitely underrated. When mj left in 94 he almost led them to the NBA finals. Team still won like 55 games and he finished 3rd in MVP voting. He was a beast. Skip is wrong on this
Jordan only played 3 years without Scotty. Only 2 full seasons, because Mike broke his foot in 85 and only started 7 games that year. For reference, Luka already played 3 years. Did anyone expect a player within 3 years to win anything?? No. Lebron didn't even make the playoffs his first 2 years!
Another point. Who did Mike play in the first round? Only one of the greatest teams of all time. The 80s Celtics had 5 hall of fame players vs one man. Imagine playing against a superteam in the first round. What would the story be if a player like lebron played agaisnt the super warriors in round 1 of the playoffs? Nobody expected the bulls to win that.
Also, for the 1-9 record that everyone keeps bringing up. Show me better numbers from any player in their first 3 years. Here's Mike's stats from that 1-9 record:
1985 Series - Rookie Year
29/6/9/3 (Pts/Rb/Ast/stl)
1986 Series - Broken Foot Year vs Celtics
44/6/6/2 (Pts/Rb/Ast/stl)
1987 Series - Third year in league vs Celtics
36/7/6/2 (Pts/Rb/Ast/stl)
Don't bring up the numbers. People don't want to see facts.
Show you better numbers? Wilt Chamberlain blows him out of the water when looking at his rookie year alone winning Rookie of The Year along with MVP honors. Perhaps, look at Kareem's first two years alone with Milwaukee becoming MVP and champion. Although, MJ's numbers were impressive within those first three years, but he couldn't keep the Bulls over .500 and was making the postseason with a losing record.
@@tylerhingleton8493 it's incredibly naive to think Will Chamberlain would have put up the same type of numbers 30 years later. He was an athletic freak that would be great in any era, but the numbers certainly wouldn't translate to such a degree
Scotty was drafted in 87 with Hoarce.
Boy oh boy, the way the media blindly defend Jordan when someone criticize him is literally impossible to believe. I bet if Jordan slapped some of these guys kids and mothers, they will still defend him.
I think a big reason why guys like Skip Bayless and Stephen a Smith and even Michael Wilbon defend Jordan with their lives is because he’s the athlete that got them their big breaks. A lot of these older media guys got their names around the time of the 90s
@@corpyhogan4433 it's not that deep. If skip agrees with what Scottie says then that diminishes what mj was as a player and that's something which LeShanon will instantly use against him for the goat debate. Hating on bron is the shows biggest cashgrab and skip's trump card is MJ being the goat
@@ssk58607 I agree with that. The GOAT debate is so damn objective and at the end of the day you can nit pick stats, accolades and anything to throw almost any player in the debate. What I don't like is when guys act like a player (Jordan) never had weaknesses or never lost or failed.
Kareem is my favorite player of all time who I think is the GOAT but even I know he failed, lost and probably had weaknesses in his game. It's not hard for me to admit that. That goes for any player, Jordan, LeBron, Kobe, Kareem or again just any player.
Lol facts it’s insane
@@Alyrricyst I'll start my winning team with either Russell, Wilt, or Kareem before I take a great perimeter player.
I think Scottie is overrated in these senses: Defensively -> Rodman(Pistons version) was a better perimeter defender and Scottie had a lot of trouble guarding the Iverson/Houston-like speedy, shifty guards. Offensively -> He was very streaky and--if he was not on--he was a dunker, layup, or post guy(that was most of the time). Wilkins was a better player to me, because he was a proven leader...
33 is absolutely underrated …
I love MJ .. but bruh: there ain’t no MJ without SP - holla
U got to be crazy 😂😂😂
MJ averaged 33.5 points in his playoff career. Nothing else needs to be said
@@erikpuka2627 he won 1 playoff game without Scottie, so what’s your point?
@@LeChina the key word is "without" Scottie. He was not that caliber of a player man. He was not important like that. Like a Paul George with way worse offense that could not shoot. He did not make an all star team in his last 8 seasons.
@@LeChina why do fans keep saying that? When Jordan made it out the first round it was Horace Grant who played a way bigger role than Scottie who was on the bench. To act like MJ couldn’t have left the bulls or they draft someone else is just stupid.
Don't do that Skip
Bull Pippen was so overrated count the first 4 season came the bulls straight trash talk about that
For a guy that loves Jordan so much and was there covering his final year with the bulls, wasn't even mention or had a small interview in the last dance. We should start calling skip the phony reporter same as he calls James the phony goat
That is a good point, also no footage of him being anywhere in the Doc, or maybe they didnt use the footage
Is that English?
@@OMGzDiNoo there was a LOTTTTTTTTT of shots where all the press was in the locker room from that specific 98 season and he was NOWHERE. He got some holes in his story to explain
well superman4ever101 we will see how many times Shannon's name is mentioned during Lebron's interview
@@wallacesharpe196 ngl i would love if bron made Shannon narrated his movie
If Ewing had Scottie, all three would have dramatically different legacies
Why all these bron sexuals saying mj needed Scottie like bron didn’t need bosh and d wade 😂😂😂
Or Ray Allen or Kyrie Irving or Kevin Love now it's Anthony Davis etc etc 😂
Skip don’t play no games when it comes to Mike or Brady he’ll go as low as he needs too 🤣🤣🤣🤣 yup there’s absolutely double meaning in my statement lol
You can say the same about Shannon.
@@iluvcakes19 I can but I said it about skip 🤷🏾♂️
But you can say the same about Shannon
@@figo007tv look I said it about skip man if y’all feel opposite then you say it about Shannon idk 🤣🤣
@@SMJay357 😂. Good banter
9:00 Skip has been telling this lie for like 5 years.. Pippen never called for the ball on the last shot. The film don't lie..
Phil Jackson starting to coach the Bulls was more important to getting Jordan past the first and second round than Scottie.
Well duhh, coaching is the most important aspect of a team. You can have the greatest players on the court on 1 team and if the coaching isn't good than they're going to fall short.
Phil Jackson didn’t go to the Bulls until 1989-90. MU passed the first round without Jackson
Well Phil was head coach in the 89-90 season. MJ got to the ECF with Doug Collins as coach!
jordan became the best player with doug Collins as coach
@@BoboKoyo Tell that to Shannon, genius.
Unc you wrong on this. Jordan is being nice by saying he couldn't have won without Scottie. What Jordan would really say is give me James Worthy, give Clyde or any other forward. And Jordan would have still won the same amount of rings.
Dude, that makes no sense. So give. another player who is one of the greatest ever and he will win championships? That’s like Scottie saying that he would win 6 rings if he had a prime magic johnson.
@@christianrapper naw you sound dumb my guy. You don’t understand what Jordan was playing in the league. Pippen is a clown and anyone taking his side right are clowns to. He’s just being salty and looking crazy right now.
@@Cmsuperbad it’s funny. Your statement is silly and you don’t even understand why.
We gotta stop this notion that Shannon doesn’t say “notion” every single time he steps on air.
But see here's the THANG
Skip lets say for the sake of the argument
Let’s wait 20 years when Giannis is in the goat conversation and listen to people like Shannon minimize how good Kyrie and Anthony Davis were
It won't be 20 years before he's in that conversation imo he's already up there
If scottie was such a good player, why did he get played by his wife?
Wife is a better player lmao
Even before all of this Pip/MJ "feud" I've always thought Scottie was kinda overrated post retirement. We've seen Scottie without MJ with Houston and Hakeem them with Portland and Rasheed. The guy constantly came up short and was never regarded as the best player on his team let alone best player on the court.
How far did Jordan get in the playoffs without Pippen before 1987-88 and after 1997-98 with the Wizards? An argument can be framed to make anyone look bad.
@@NatTurnerswitBurnerz Look at the team's Jordan and Scotty joined, Scotty had great teams and couldn't do anything Jordan always joined the worst team in the league. Was Scotty in the 88 Playoffs a top 5 player in any of those series?
@@NatTurnerswitBurnerz Yes, but Jordan was still considered one of the best players in the league THEN.
Pippen was a legendary sidekick, but if he expects equal credit to MJ for all the Bull’s success, he’s NEVER gonna get that. At least Kobe was on more of an equal pedestal with Shaq.
Yeah shaq and kobe were a super team, the bulls were very much a "hero ball" team. It was all Jordan and role players.
@@Hardcastle83 Exactly this.
Honestly, skip is just looking bad.
The man averaged 16,5,5 for his career. Didn't average over 20ppg for his finals career with the highest usage rating on the team. Called a top 75 player all time. He's overrated?
What is wrong with Bayliss? Pippen was 33 to 37 when he played for Houston and Portland. There is NO 6 championships in Chicago if Scottie didnt exist. Barkley and Olajuwon werent exactly tearing up the score sheet either. They were all pass their prime.
You will NEVER see a Solid Pippen fan, just a Bronsexual in disguise as some guy who highlights Pippen’s value.
Pippen is massively underrated.Dude didn't look to far behind Jordan just look at the basketball court and what he did on all parts of the court.
If one says Mike didn't win without Scottie please include Scottie didn't win in Portland or Houston where he played with all time greats.
Scotty been jealous OF THE GOAT!!!
The thing is, though, those moments - the migraine and the sit-out, are huge milestone moments in Bulls history, iconic to the downside.
Let’s not forget when he refused to go in the at the end of the game in the NBA playoffs. Jordan was not on team. Scotty is a big baby
It’s messed up Jordan was the first one to believe in Pippen. He opened his home to him that made him better. Has defended him all the time. And Pippen hates Jordan regardless of all of they.
Exactly
whoever was responsible for the content in TLD, particularly the season MJ was out, is responsible for scotties attitude toward MJ.. it wasnt always bitter.
Scotty was great, but without MJ nobody would be talking about him at this point in time.
without scottie how many rings would mj have right now ?
@@jawick5150 six. MJ could a have gotten any small forward he wanted to come and play with him.
@@davidross8233 well why didn’t he
Pippen was so wonderful he averaged 12 points a game in Portland
...and 16 for his career
Pippen picked up his dribble way too easy to control an offense fulltime. He just wasnt a consistent offensive threat to be a #1. I watched 250-300 Bulls games in the 90s, Pippen hit his ceiling and should be glad he got the chance with Jordan. There were a dozen players that could fill Pippin's role and just one Jordan.
First 3 years Bulls lost to Detroit, the Pistons didn't even care about Pippen. The Bulls finally sweep the Pistons start a dynasty, the Pistons, "Pippen grew up." What Pippen learned to become, MJ always was.
The thing is Pippen set aside his ego for the good of the Bulls team Jordan know he can’t win straight 6-0 without Pippen, unlike what happen to Kobe on Shaq who’s has their ego clashed which cause lakers to be defeated by Piston
Scottie seem to be blaming Mike Jordan for mistakes he made. Jordan gave him his Ferrari
Michael even said he wouldn't have won without Scottie. That should be enough credit for him.
Exactly
That is what I don’t get, Michael has consistently said there is no Michael Jordan without Scottie Pippin. that definitely is not underrated.
He used Kobe as his shield to try and bring Jordan back to earth . Look up how many times Scotty choked in the playoffs. Give Jordan Barkley and he wins 6 PIPPEN is disposable. Sorry
Fellas, look into the second three peat. Tonight Kukoc was very important. Bulls really started to take off when Hoarce and Scotty got there. You are wrong Skip.
Garbage. Espn put Pip at 21 in their top 74, ahead of Barkley, KG, and Robinson. He's never been ahead of any before and that happened right after The Last Dance.
That is overrated
WAIT ! WAIT! WAIT ! DID SHANNON SHARPE CONTRADICT HIMSELF SAYING SCOTTIE WAY OLD WHEN HE LEFT THE BULLS BUT NEVER SAID THAT ABOUT JORDAN WIZARD YEARS ..BUSTED !
Skip "I covered Jesus when he was marched to the cross" Bayless
With out Pippen Jordan would have been Dominic Wilkins
Scottie Pippen would be more broke if he didn’t play next to Mike!
Mike 2
I’m so sick of saying Jordan did nothing without scottie. Scottie was a bench player the first playoff series Jordan won. He didn’t become a really good player until 91. Wade is on another planet than Scottie and honestly so is kyrie
Fr fr if Michael never had Scottie he wouldn’t even had that first one and the next 5!!! 🤦🏾♂️ this is asinine y’all better ask Jordan about those Detroit bad boy pistons
Jordan could’ve had Barkley, Shaq or Hakeem and they’d win 6 lmao.
Duh dumbas he had no help want me to call the 2017 warriors 😂😂😂
Yea Pip is why they lost to the Pistons
@@yuhgirlamy5731 must be a warriors fan🤡
Scottie wanted a game winning shot and got passed over. More money and passed over. Respect and passed over. Unfortunately the side kick isn't the hero so he dont get the hero respect sought. Tough break but 6 rings and millions in the bank seems a fair trade.
We saw Pippen when he was given the alpha dog spot in Houston and Portland and he was a huge letdown. Scottie is massively overrated, without MJ and the rings, he is a forgotten all star.
Pippen was a great player but it was being with MJ that made Pippen a superstar and NBA Champion.
Jordan didnt go to the finals without Pippen and when Jordan retired the bulls only lost a handful of games more and that is without the sort called goat.
Did they win a ship though?
Bulls were 22-25 in 95' Before Jordan came back from baseball. Scottie was the 90s Paul George but with less offense
10:22 MJ would've killed himself if he finished 3rd in MVP pointing at that point in his career
MJ would not have won those titles without Scottie. Of course the opposite is also true. Scottie Pippen was not overrated; he was the 2nd best bull, but not by much.
Michael made Scottie in the last dance out to be a selfish teammate. MJ did betray Scottie by showing the exact play in the last dance also the Pippin contract. MJ broke the bro code.
It was bad I don't know why people downplay it.
I don’t like how Shannon is talking about Michael losing in the first round like 6 Times before he had Scottie when LeBron didn’t have anybody either but was getting destroyed this first nine years as well
He wasn't losing in the 1st round
Pippen is overrated.... he would have never made it to top 50 without MJ, one on one he's not better than grant hill whose not even in the top 75
Liked your comment though grant must have been excluded due to his injury , and not evaluated on his prime.
Stop the cap Shannon. MJ went back to guarding Magic and was Magic's primary defender for the rest of that series
We have to remember Scottie is one of the best two way players in the game. One of the best on the ball defenders, and bro he could play that passing lane!
God these guys are dense. The reason they mention 94 and show how scottie failed his teammates is to setup the 98 finals moment where he guts-out a crippling injury to stay on the floor and contribute to the victory. It's a learn from failure and ultimately succeed story arch - just like the entire rest of the doc.
I mean, you can say "what did that have to do with 98?" About a lot of things... Why did they need to go into Micheal's gambling to tell that 98 story? They didn't. It's just a non-favorable look setting up a favorable one. That's how you do captivating storytelling. And why the Last Dance was so good.
Shannon Jordans east was stronger and he couldn't win by himself such a hater it's so sad 🤣
Dominique Wilkins & Dr.J don't get credit. That's who don't get their proper due. They don't even count Dr.J's ABA points.
D wade and lebron both batman. Also kobe and shaq.
I’ve always thought he was overrated. We got to see him without MJ and I don’t think anyone thought he was a top 20 player those years.
He finished 2nd in mvp voting and made all nba when Jordan retired fool. Bulls won 50 games and almost made the finals without MJ
@@symbiote91 ok
@@symbiote91 and in 95 he was in trade rumors because the team was 23-23 and pippen was begging for MJ to come back
@@arizonaFIREent Horace Grant left for Orlando after '93-'94 season. And when Jordan came back, they went out in the 2nd round to the Magic.
@@NatTurnerswitBurnerz pippen trash
I don’t remember seeing Scottie Pippen doing very well on the court without Michael Jordan so he shouldn’t be overrated
Pippen is the most overrated overblown players in NBA history! I watched his whole career and everyone only looks at the results instead of rings and not the work put in to get the rings. Go back and watch some classic Bulls games and watch pippen disappear in multiple games that are important. Overrated!!
@@richardwricht6347 don't take my word for it go look for yourself since you've been fooled like a lot of other people on how "great" pippen was. He is OVERRATED.
He wasnt overrated until after the Last Dance.
This was on the 5 o'clock news last week & they just now hearing bout it
All great players had teammates that will never get their full credit. The truly great players get most of the credit for winning and pretty much all the blame for losing. MJ was dominating before Pippen ascended into a star, but Pippen needed MJ so he could be a star. As long as MJ acknowledged Pippen as his greatest teammate ever, take it for what it is bro. You don’t see McHale complaining Larry Bird gets most of recognition or James Worthy with Magic.
Not true at all. Pip was RAPIDLY developing before he ever met MJ. He only made his college team as a MANAGER as a favor lol... he was that bad. Yet a few years later as a senior he was an ALL CONFERENCE PLAYER who an NBA team drafted as high as 5th & then another team traded for. He hit a very late growth spurt so he ended up being a 6'8-6'9"ish player that had developed really good Forward rebounding/defense skills with guard skills like passing/ball handling and got better & better at scoring.
Did MJ have an affect on him.... of course... all the great greats do on their teammates. But to say Pip needed MJ to be a star.... the evidence suggests he could have been one without MJ. They needed each other to become NBA champions though for sure. Lotta people don't know out of their 6 Finals Pip ped the Bulls in 3 or more of the 5 main categories (points/rbs/assists/stls/blocks) in FOUR of their Finals.... MJ only did in 1 (as a comparison Lebrons don't it in 8).
This was not batman and robin. It was superman and cyborg
Scottie is my favorite player ever. He was the first AC Cowlings. Stay loyal Scottie.
My thought would be that AC Cowlings was the first AC Cowlings