I picked up a Darter and it has been great, apart from the back side of the blade (serrations) tearing up the sheath and thus blade coating. I've been nervous about picking up another Toor with many bad reviews, especially on the folders.
Don't freak out people. The brand is not trash. Lots of makers have had issues. Brands like benchmade have had periods of bad qc, and come out of it. These guys have worked hard and are still working out problems. I'm not defending bad work. I'm just saying...they have just blown up, and their orders are overwhelming. If this continues...ok. don't buy. Don't boycott a US brand from one video. Give them a chance to make it right. You can't know why this happened.
Exactly I think that knives makers like toor, Montana knife company, grizzly forge are worth the money. All American made and all custom knives. Toor uses cnc machines and a few other things. grizzly forge is 100% forged so every knife is different and they are pretty pricey but his knives are unique
I have the very same problem with the Jank Shank that I received today. It may not be a major problem but for what one pays for these knives they should be spot on.
I've yet to see a review on any TOOR blade that didnt have at least *ONE* issue with theirs. Multiple models, multiple issues, multiple examples...100% unacceptable especially when going after the market segment they're aiming for.
I have been looking at possibly buying something from Toor Knives since I like the designs and blade steel used. However, the most recent reviews showing the poor quality have turned me off a bit. Instead I purchased an RMJ Unmei. (Another easy to conceal US made fixed blade.) After seeing this review I decided to take a closer look at my new blade. *gasp!* It has the same lack of symmetry along the spine as the Toor. (The plan was to buy a second RMJ if I like this one, so nope.) It is now sitting in the box and being shipped back to the dealer tomorrow. When paying $250-$300 for a knife, the quality should be nothing less than stellar. I want to buy local and American made but not if it's sub par. What happened to pride in your work? Anyway, I have the Bastinelli Creations Red V2 sitting in my shopping cart now. Frustrating... Thanks for the overview! Cheers, Greg
Damn that sucks to hear but good that you are getting your money back. I have been eyeing their blades and even their mini swords haha. Honestly the Razorback or the Dynamis blade are amazing, Dom really did a great job with the sheath too. Others have told me to check out Amtac blades. Both made in the USA.
@@CivilianWarrior Tactical Elements told me that they have not had any quality issues with RMJ in the past. Other than the symmetry issue the knife was really nice. So maybe I received a bad copy. There are not many reviews of RMJ blades out there so it's hard to say with such a small sample size whether or not it's a trend... I have also been doing some more research on Toor knives. It seems as though they are now using some really nice machinery to cut their blades. As such maybe the quality will be as it should. Another RUclipsr was elated with his Toor knife. So at this point I'm still considering them as an option. Although I will contact them before I order if I go that route.... I checked out the makers you mentioned. While they look like stellar blades there are a few reasons I wouldn't purchase them. First, the draconian laws here in WA limit me to a 3.5" long concealed blade, and no doubled edge blades etc. I'll push the length a bit but a double edge weapon might be hard to defend in court if I needed to use it in a self defense scenario. Lastly, I do use my knives which makes me reluctant to drop $400 plus on one. (diminishing returns) That's just me though... Keep the videos coming! People gain from the content and the conversations it spawns....
@@GregAllen2 ah ok yeah that all makes sense. I don't use my fixed blades for anything but defense. If I need to open a box, cut rope or anything else I use my swiss army farmer alox pocket knife, or if at home, one of my microtech ultratechs. I'll still try RMJ and do a review later on. Thank you for the support and kind words too, I appreciate it!
Wow. Thanks for the review. All of these problems could potentially be overlooked on a knife a fraction of the price. For the premium they demand this is unacceptable.
Wow! I'm glad I saw this video and a few others like this bc I was thinking about purchasing a blade from them but I am not going to anymore given the high price and the apparent and obvious defects in their blades and company! So disappointing!
wow that's unacceptable. this is out of my budget but I was thinking of saving for one. if I overreached for this blade and got one like this I would be PISSED! especially if they ignored me when trying to contact them.
I had a few of the same issues with a Darter I was gifted. How they make it past QC is mind blowing. My flaws were just as obvious. I did get a new one sent out. Still had issue with the g10 not being even with the full tang. Should've got a microtech socom alpha and saved $150
Sorry to hear that. You'd think they would have looked over the replacement a few times to make sure it was perfect seeing how it was replacing one you weren't happy with. Microtech makes some good stuff, I own 3 ultratechs.
Woah, QC issues for sure. Was almost about to pull a trigger on one of their knives, will not be doing that now. Thank you for your great in-depth review. Cheers from Finland.
Have a toor serpent zombie. First of all it wasn't properly sharpened from the box but it's okay, then their sheath is not constructed properly so knife slices or stabs it If I'm not looking at how I put it in. Plus, which is might be my fault (however ka-bar, tops and two esses are still perfectly fine) but after sitting in the box for couple months got rust on the edge
Uhhh..... bizarre... This is OUTSTANDINGLY bad... I wonder if they have different teams working on the fixed blades / folders. I just purchased a $250 Merchant from them, and everything online seems to be great so far..... But this has me VERY worried.
Another person commented a few days ago saying his sicario 4 had the same exact issues but his other Toor blades were fine. Maybe they were behind and in a rush to finish these up for refactor tactical who was their exclusive dealer for the sicario line of blades. I hope your blade isn't like this.
Why are you beating on logs with a small tactical knife? NONE of the issues you showed would make a fly shits worth of difference in a situation that this knife is indented to be used in. Should it have a better fit and finish? yes. would it matter in selfdefence or a knife fight? fuck no.
Completely unacceptable especially for the price and market target. Thanks for posting this. I was going to get one of their blade but I think I'll pass now.
I own two Toor blades that came with a good fit and finish. I got them both while they were on sale and all in all, even with the 20% discount and having the knives on sale, they are truly overpriced for what they are. My biggest complaint with Toor is the knives come with no carry option, you have to buy the attachment yourself. At their price point they disappoint me and I’d be extra bitter to receive a knife with numerous flaws. Based on what I’ve read their customer service is also atrocious
I just ordered one today. Now, as far as what your showing being detrimental to the knife, I highly doubt it, as long as the heat treat was properly done, but like others are saying here, for what they cost that should have been addressed before they shipped it out. That being said I am a huge Randall knife fan, and I have seen a few of them that had some issues. If mine comes in like yours, I will definitely send it back, if the second one is the same I will cancel the transaction
I really hope you don't have any issues. I was thinking of giving them another try but then more ppl commented. Which model did you get? Please let us know how it turned out 👍
I have the Anaconda and the Field2.0. I think they're fine blades, but I am also bothered by the grips not being flush to the tang. I don't have any blade QC issues, but the handle scales definitely need work.
Nice! I like the design of the anaconda. Maybe contact them and ask if they can redo the grips? Guess you could always do it yourself if you have a dremel and sandpaper. I just think regardless of the price, the grips should be flush.
@@CivilianWarrior I just got one of their Mullet knives, one of the scales sits below the tang (the other is flush). The thumb rest jumping is not fully deburred either. I sent it back for a fix and they deemed it sufficient for their QC standard of a “production knife”. Kind of a joke to have these issues on a $300+ knife. Really soured my view on the brand.
@@Twigz11 wow thats so wrong. Guess their lifetime guarantee is also a joke and they blame the customers so they don't have to replace anything. So they did nothing? Did you have to pay them to have your blade shipped back to you?
@@CivilianWarrior It’s still with them, I have a phone call scheduled with someone there on Monday. But I had to pay to ship it back. And looking at their policy I’m facing a 25% restocking fee. So basically I open the box, see sloppy work and get charged $81 for the privilege of inspecting and returning it.
I want one of those Zev Winklers so bad. I have a Dynamis Revere and noticed its grind is uneven as well. I'm only particluar with my spear points, but this is unfortunate to see.
@@CivilianWarrior Thank you for the reply and checking. It looks like it might have sold sometime last month. I get their alerts for Winkler knives, but often it's sold before I even open the web page. I work in the Knife Shop at Bass Pro #1, and maybe one day I'll have one of these or the Ed Brown K1. Two dream knives right there.
3 min into your vid… I stopped. I see your examples of narrow etc. don’t agree on your only using the knife to cut rope… Here’s what you should do. Write a letter, return the knife ask for another- which I’m certain they’ll make it right or Completely step away from TOOR… the knife will do it’s job plus. Not defendingTOOR… but, appears you might be that customer WHO SPENDS $200-300 on a blade and complains …. Compared to many other brands out there… I’ve seen this before. But I probably have 40 years plus on you age wise. I own and have owned many many high dollar knives - this is a production knife. It is what it is. It’s not a CUSTOM!
Custom would lean more towards forged knives. Toor uses cnc machines but they are a smaller company producing the same knives over and over. They got bigger and they have to do drops because they sell out, there’s not many knife companies anymore that didn’t start getting knives made in china. If you want custom I’d refer you to “Grizzly forge”
Without sounding like I’m defending toor but I wouldn’t be too concerned about the heat treat, I’m sure it was done to spec. The off centre tip wouldn’t concern me too much as long as the edge is straight. The handles tho yeh no excuse for that. Hope they sort it out for you.
I was super stoked for the Toor Knives 'Sicarios', but all the different variations of each edition have shown there's no true identity, and the name is more of a gimmick. Wish they would have worked with Ed Calderon and produced actual purpose designed knives if they were going to use this name. And yes, if they're going to charge nearly as much as Winkler or Wenger knives, the quality control needs to step up.
Always thought they had really cool designs but thought they were a lil overpriced, with these qc issues I am definitely not getting one just gonna make my own lol
I know old video but just wanted to say I have the Toor XT1 Bravo Carbon Fiber and I’m very happy with it but sharpening wasn’t perfect right out of the box and it’s on washers so the action definitely doesn’t drop shut but it flips open pretty snappy
I know the feeling of disappointment you have. When I was first getting into “high end” knives, I decided to buy a Mid-Tech Darrel Ralph that was around $350. That was a fortune for a knife to me, but Bladeforums was really good about removing Darrel Ralph smear, it seems. When it came the lock would fail from barely tappingthe back of the blade, the flipper/choil was so tight at the junction of the first finger it wouldn’t have fit a kid’s finger there, and when I disassembled the knife to try and salvage the lockup, the inlays in the handle had pieces of magazine paper behind them because the g10 was too thin to accommodate the hardware. Worst knife I have ever owned, worse than a gas station knife. Thanks for posting this video so I didn’t feel that same disappointment again by buying a Toor.
I almost purchased a Toor knife. But after watching all the bad reviews and a few of their own videos. It was a major no go. They just seem over hyped and shady. I ended up going with a Stroup TU2.
@@CivilianWarrior Maybe around 4 months now. Honestly it’s a nice knife, especially the size…..for me at least. The texturing he does to the steel I could do without. And I had to touch up the retention on the sheath a bit. But overall I really like it.
It's been 5 months since this video first went up and I just got a special edition Blue Steel Serpent from Toor. The same grinds on my knife are uneven as well.
@@CivilianWarrior No, I really don't want to pay a restocking fee, and I planned to slightly modify the knife anyway so I think I'll just keep it and use it as a workhorse. There's nothing else wrong with it other than it's not as sharp as I think a $300 knife should be.
No, I don't want to say they never answer their phones bc several other ppl have said their calls have never gone unanswered. I then reached out through Instagram, first I DM them and then posted maybe two or three times on their posts with "@" and also never replied. I believe they posted a comment on here to which I replied with a question and again never heard back.
That does suck, they are about to drop the folders and I am highly interested in one of those. Now, I have hesiations. What has Toor done to fix this issue?
If you get one, please tell me how it came out. Was never able to get a hold of them as I mentioned in the video. They commented on here, I asked what they would have done if I still had this blade and haven't responded since I left them a reply maybe two weeks ago. Another person said the tip on their fixed blade broke off after having it for a day, he said Toor did nothing to fix it. Another person said they had an issue and were charged a 15% restocking fee. I'm still curious to hear what they would have done if I still had this blade.
@@CivilianWarrior That sucks that they aren't in contact with you. Plenty of excellent knife makers out there that will stand behind their knives. I will keep you posted on my purchase if I make it.
That hawk does look nice, thought about giving them another try with that f13 but then decided to get more skydiving jumps in and get closer to my b license. I'd love to hear what you think about it when you get it. Hope it's better quality than mine was.
People who look at blades care for optics, people who use knives can care less about blade grinds and other small annoyances As they will work themselves out during repeated use
@@taramoon9307 if you get a knife with a sloppy grind, start carving some logs, after an hour, the knife will be broken in and you'll forget all about the collector's aesthetics
Solid vid. I've considered Toor Knives for a bit now but something was holding me back, other than the price. Thank you for the info, that is some horrible quality control right there. I'm perfectly happy with my Pro-Tech Rockeye's as my fixed EDC. That Winkler is a beauty, what's it called? I didn't catch the name of it, some type of collaboration between designers.
Thanks for the subscription! That other blade is a collaboration between winkler and zev technologies. They only made 100 of them and it's the only blade I can't bring myself to use😏
This is pretty disheartening. Coming from a veteran owned couple, they should have taken way more pride in this blade. It has the potential of being a beautiful useful knife. Thats too bad that they don’t even bother to get back with you to make it right. I think I’ll stick with TOPS.
I was looking at one of their knives but the price was a little high so I went to watch some reviews I'm glad I watched this video .. it's too bad because I love a few of their designs
i agree, for that price the knife should be flawless, i've seen $20 knives with better fit&finish. i too have a toor (merchant folder) and there are also a lot of complaints on that model from other people, luckily mine didn't have any of them. the part with not responding sucks @ss and is really really ugly, there's nothing worse than buying an expensive but flawed knife and then getting no support from the maker. really sorry for you :-(
@@CivilianWarrior i just got a toor chasm tanto and when i close it, the edge of the blade hits the backspacer. it even came with a chunk of the edge missing...then i took a look at the stock photos and even these models have a nick in the edge..ugh! luckily i bought it from a good dealer so i can return it. last toor for me, they really need to get better tolerances before i consider them again. cheers man and have a good day!
@@RUclips-Censorship-Police sorry to hear it didn't work out but glad to hear it was easy to return it and you weren't stuck trying to sell it through Craigslist or eBay like I did
Wow, I have some TOPS blades that were all under $150 that have much better QC than that. I had been considering a couple of Toor's models the past few but I've lost quite a bit of interest.
As a knife collector myself I tend not to hop on the band waggon and follow the trend of Instagram operator stuff. I have never had a QC problem like this with Tops knives.
Yeah Tops makes great stuff. Other thing I learned is lifetime guarantees aren't really lifetime. It's just as long as the company is in business. Nocturnal knives is a great example
Send it back and demand it be re-ground, (made symmetrical), or that they give you a brand new blade. Their company’s reputation is on the line here, so test their customer service and warranty coverage. It couldn’t hurt right?
That's what I was trying to do but my email must have gotten lost. I've seen it happen for companies I've worked for so giving them the benefit of the doubt. I no longer have this blade.
I tried getting in touch with them, called, emailed, left @comments on Instagram and even sent DM via Instagram. Didn't hear back until I posted video. They left a comment to which I replied and again they went silent afterwards
found this randomly and just thought for some insight to the industry from a collector perspective. you should not compare a small time company vs a big production one like ZT. zero tolerance is much larger and more well established than toor is as well as having much longer a history. semi custom and more expensive does not mean that things are higher quality or more perfect it means that there is a more human element in the making of it vs the "perfection" of a high end production knife like zt, we, reate etc. and when you are talking about semi customs vs production its important to know that to match the quality of a semi custom to a production you are going to pay FAR more than a toor. it is usually in the 700-1000 range they get close. I'm not saying toor doesn't need to work on their qc but you also need to dispose of the idea that price = better especially when in the custom and semi custom space.
I’ve owned both a Took Darter and Tomahawk, both were expensive and both let my expectations down. When I emailed Toor support they kept me in an e-mail loop for months, and when I commented on an Instagram post about my issues, one of the owners (I believe it was Conor Toor) treated me like an idiot. Will never buy a Toor again
Sorry to hear that. At least they got back to you. Apparently it wasn't until after I posted this and it had 5k views that the CFO tried reaching out to me via email. They actually emailed my father who waited 6 months before telling me about the email lol.
Yeah that was an issue I noticed from the first draw and just got worse with every draw even after loosening the screws. I kept thinking I was the only one. I was thinking of giving them another try but I keep seeing comments from others saying they too have experienced the same issues on other models. I really hope they get their OC under control and can turn things around. I appreciate you watching and commenting!
All my toor knives have had some sort of questionable or non refined work done to them when they arrived to me if they even arrive. Used to get every limited edition and after the blue grip and silver blade sof series blade didn’t show up after 4 months and multiple emails back and forth telling me to wait I demanded getting a full refund because I even purchased the extra insurance in case that happened. 100% dissatisfied with the quality, pricing and customer service. Literally have nothing good to say and I’ve owned somewhere around 7 knives back when I didn’t know much about knife quality. 1/10 would never recommend
Damn man, sorry to hear that but glad you got your money back from them. I read all comments on here I think you've had the worst experience of anyone so far who's posted.
Can't recall if I mentioned it in my HFB vid but one of the times I went in to pick up my blade I noticed more than 5 push damascus push daggers on a desk. I asked if I could take a look at them, they said sure. Then asked if they were going up on the site soon and was told no. They weren't bc they didn't meet Andrews standards. I looked them over and didn't see anything wrong with them. If you follow HFB, you know his blades sell out within 1 min or less these days. He could have easily made a good amount of money by selling them but didn't. Haven't seen any push daggers for sale since them. Bc of this, I fully respect and trust all of his blades and will continue buying more. Hoping his custom books open soon.
You did mention it one of the many reasons I like them and that is the only negative is how difficult it is to get a hold of them but makes it so worth it when you do if you have not checked out the Jack Carr books you need to the first one is the terminal list
@@chrisscheuer7955 Great author. I had the honor of meeting him during a book signing for True Believer here in SD. Andy from HFB was also there. Actually just finished reading Devils Hand.
Wow that is awesome I can't wait for the show to come out at the end of the year or whenever it does and see all this gear used to full effect keep up the good work with the videos
You can get Bastien Coves factory knife far superior. Hell order a Smilodon from DirkPinkerton. If they can’t do a grind you know they Fubared the heat treat.
No, sold it to a local guy who I told why I was selling it, even showed him this video. He said it was wrong blah blah and paid full price for it. Some time passed and he texted me demanding his money back bc the tip broke. No idea what he was using it for or for how long. Told him it wasn't my problem anymore.
It's not a chisel grind so someone very inexperienced ground this. Sucks there were a couple toor knives I was looking at. Very through together knives. Not that custom, made from pre cut stock.
Baton logs with a fighter shank? Dude, baton logs with a Becker or Grayman Megapounder. But, yah I just learned about these toor knives today and went to the site and I was more appalled at the price point of these tiny knives then the American colonists were of the taxes on tea leaves in 1773!!
Funny I bought an HTM, Randall King designed tactical fixed blade used and it has similar issues with the blade grind being uneven. Its design reminds me alot of the Toor designs. The handle scales are perfect but they are perminantly bonded. Yours looks awful. I lost interest in the knife design though and now prefer more utilitarian designs with much larger and ergonomic handles. I find the more tactical oriented are more about appearances than practicality. Different strokes. Reminds me of another knife I impulse bought early in my knife hobby when I knew nothing, some Tops with a sub 5" blade, saber ground and 1/4" thick stock. WTF was I thinking? I had zero understanding of blade geometry, it was such a crap cutting blade but at least I sold it to another person at the same stage of their knife journey, new to the military. Actually, it might be usefull for that use wheere its being more a pry bar.
I'm really curious if I just got a one off or if others who purchased this model have the same issues. Shame bc I really wanted to get the Haley strategic darter that is also made by Toor.
Whhaaaaa thaaaa Faaaaaaaak? Wow and I literally was just about to drop 380 on the new shadow variant…. I was already really feeling that at that price the justification was barely there to buy it in the first place…but now…..Ahhh no.
Oh. It's a semi-chisel grind.🤣🤣🤣🤣 Pretty sad really. Unfortunate that a U.S.A. made Knife company is having this many QC issues. Especially at that price point. Alotta other videos are having issues with the "Merchant" folder. Love love love that Winkler though. Now that's a knife.😍🥰
Do you have a Toor Knife, is this a one off blade or are you having the same issues with any Toor Knife?
I have friends that have had issues with The same names but different ones.
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Been a while but I just got an Anaconda the thing is flawless.
@@jeffgoossen2200 nice! I do like that design.
I picked up a Darter and it has been great, apart from the back side of the blade (serrations) tearing up the sheath and thus blade coating. I've been nervous about picking up another Toor with many bad reviews, especially on the folders.
Don't freak out people. The brand is not trash. Lots of makers have had issues. Brands like benchmade have had periods of bad qc, and come out of it. These guys have worked hard and are still working out problems. I'm not defending bad work. I'm just saying...they have just blown up, and their orders are overwhelming. If this continues...ok. don't buy. Don't boycott a US brand from one video. Give them a chance to make it right. You can't know why this happened.
Absolutely agree.
Exactly I think that knives makers like toor, Montana knife company, grizzly forge are worth the money. All American made and all custom knives. Toor uses cnc machines and a few other things. grizzly forge is 100% forged so every knife is different and they are pretty pricey but his knives are unique
I have the very same problem with the Jank Shank that I received today. It may not be a major problem but for what one pays for these knives they should be spot on.
Have you reached out to them? If you did, what did they say/offer?
I was going to purchase one, but now, I will not. Thank you for your honest review/opinion.
Hi! what did you end up going with?
I won't ever buy a Toor. There is zero excuse for questionable QC for what they charge for their blades.
I've yet to see a review on any TOOR blade that didnt have at least *ONE* issue with theirs. Multiple models, multiple issues, multiple examples...100% unacceptable especially when going after the market segment they're aiming for.
I have been looking at possibly buying something from Toor Knives since I like the designs and blade steel used. However, the most recent reviews showing the poor quality have turned me off a bit. Instead I purchased an RMJ Unmei. (Another easy to conceal US made fixed blade.) After seeing this review I decided to take a closer look at my new blade. *gasp!* It has the same lack of symmetry along the spine as the Toor. (The plan was to buy a second RMJ if I like this one, so nope.) It is now sitting in the box and being shipped back to the dealer tomorrow. When paying $250-$300 for a knife, the quality should be nothing less than stellar. I want to buy local and American made but not if it's sub par. What happened to pride in your work? Anyway, I have the Bastinelli Creations Red V2 sitting in my shopping cart now. Frustrating...
Thanks for the overview!
Cheers,
Greg
Damn that sucks to hear but good that you are getting your money back. I have been eyeing their blades and even their mini swords haha. Honestly the Razorback or the Dynamis blade are amazing, Dom really did a great job with the sheath too. Others have told me to check out Amtac blades. Both made in the USA.
@@CivilianWarrior Tactical Elements told me that they have not had any quality issues with RMJ in the past. Other than the symmetry issue the knife was really nice. So maybe I received a bad copy. There are not many reviews of RMJ blades out there so it's hard to say with such a small sample size whether or not it's a trend... I have also been doing some more research on Toor knives. It seems as though they are now using some really nice machinery to cut their blades. As such maybe the quality will be as it should. Another RUclipsr was elated with his Toor knife. So at this point I'm still considering them as an option. Although I will contact them before I order if I go that route.... I checked out the makers you mentioned. While they look like stellar blades there are a few reasons I wouldn't purchase them. First, the draconian laws here in WA limit me to a 3.5" long concealed blade, and no doubled edge blades etc. I'll push the length a bit but a double edge weapon might be hard to defend in court if I needed to use it in a self defense scenario. Lastly, I do use my knives which makes me reluctant to drop $400 plus on one. (diminishing returns) That's just me though... Keep the videos coming! People gain from the content and the conversations it spawns....
@@GregAllen2 ah ok yeah that all makes sense. I don't use my fixed blades for anything but defense. If I need to open a box, cut rope or anything else I use my swiss army farmer alox pocket knife, or if at home, one of my microtech ultratechs. I'll still try RMJ and do a review later on. Thank you for the support and kind words too, I appreciate it!
Wow, the fit an finish on the handle spine is abysmal, especially for such an expensive blade.
Wow. Thanks for the review. All of these problems could potentially be overlooked on a knife a fraction of the price. For the premium they demand this is unacceptable.
Exactly! Get a Tim Kell. They're guaranteed for the life of the knife no matter what you do to it, no questions asked.
Wow! I'm glad I saw this video and a few others like this bc I was thinking about purchasing a blade from them but I am not going to anymore given the high price and the apparent and obvious defects in their blades and company! So disappointing!
I'm seeing several defects. Its like this knife was NOT fit and finished. But it was put together and sent out.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Describes it perfectly!
I’ve actually never seen one of their knives that don’t have at least two issues similar to yours
wow that's unacceptable. this is out of my budget but I was thinking of saving for one. if I overreached for this blade and got one like this I would be PISSED! especially if they ignored me when trying to contact them.
I had a few of the same issues with a Darter I was gifted. How they make it past QC is mind blowing. My flaws were just as obvious. I did get a new one sent out. Still had issue with the g10 not being even with the full tang. Should've got a microtech socom alpha and saved $150
Sorry to hear that. You'd think they would have looked over the replacement a few times to make sure it was perfect seeing how it was replacing one you weren't happy with. Microtech makes some good stuff, I own 3 ultratechs.
I ordered a Sicario 2 and the ergonomics were horrible . I sold it
I’m so glad I saw this, thank you! I was just about to buy the Darter but now I think I can hold off on that purchase until their QC improves.
Happy to help. Have you taken a look at half face blades? I think they make amazing stuff and own more than a few of their things.
I just bought the darter, worth it
@@CivilianWarrior I haven’t, but I’ll check them out. Thanks again!
I personally never seen a us made knife without QC issues , no matter what brand or what price it is ...
Woah, QC issues for sure. Was almost about to pull a trigger on one of their knives, will not be doing that now. Thank you for your great in-depth review. Cheers from Finland.
Hi!! Glad it helped out, check out half face blades
I'm guessing this was a mistake. Don't throw out the whole brand tho. I've seen lots of their production blades with perfect f and f.
Just a fyi they are all hand made so they are not machine perfect. But they are at a premium price so buy with that in mind.
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I have had some of these same issues with my Spartan Blades fixed blades. Drove me nuts.
Oh wow, they are a bigger company. I wouldn't have expected that from them.
Have a toor serpent zombie. First of all it wasn't properly sharpened from the box but it's okay, then their sheath is not constructed properly so knife slices or stabs it If I'm not looking at how I put it in. Plus, which is might be my fault (however ka-bar, tops and two esses are still perfectly fine) but after sitting in the box for couple months got rust on the edge
My Jank shank is symmetrical and has good fit and finish
Uhhh..... bizarre... This is OUTSTANDINGLY bad... I wonder if they have different teams working on the fixed blades / folders. I just purchased a $250 Merchant from them, and everything online seems to be great so far..... But this has me VERY worried.
Another person commented a few days ago saying his sicario 4 had the same exact issues but his other Toor blades were fine. Maybe they were behind and in a rush to finish these up for refactor tactical who was their exclusive dealer for the sicario line of blades. I hope your blade isn't like this.
Why are you beating on logs with a small tactical knife? NONE of the issues you showed would make a fly shits worth of difference in a situation that this knife is indented to be used in. Should it have a better fit and finish? yes. would it matter in selfdefence or a knife fight? fuck no.
my Specter R looks good. symmetrical grinds, flush scales. i have a Valor on the way.
Completely unacceptable especially for the price and market target. Thanks for posting this. I was going to get one of their blade but I think I'll pass now.
Its semi-custom. You're obviously supposed to finish the knife yourself
I own two Toor blades that came with a good fit and finish. I got them both while they were on sale and all in all, even with the 20% discount and having the knives on sale, they are truly overpriced for what they are. My biggest complaint with Toor is the knives come with no carry option, you have to buy the attachment yourself. At their price point they disappoint me and I’d be extra bitter to receive a knife with numerous flaws. Based on what I’ve read their customer service is also atrocious
Wow. Was just getting ready to buy a Toor. Thanks for saving me the headache.
You're welcome lol. I actually saw some more toor blades at a gun store recently and saw similar issues. Have you seen half face blades?
I just ordered one today. Now, as far as what your showing being detrimental to the knife, I highly doubt it, as long as the heat treat was properly done, but like others are saying here, for what they cost that should have been addressed before they shipped it out. That being said I am a huge Randall knife fan, and I have seen a few of them that had some issues.
If mine comes in like yours, I will definitely send it back, if the second one is the same I will cancel the transaction
I really hope you don't have any issues. I was thinking of giving them another try but then more ppl commented. Which model did you get? Please let us know how it turned out 👍
@@CivilianWarrior Krypteia
@@CivilianWarrior will let you know, I don’t know how long it will take to come in
@@CivilianWarrior just a note to let you know, my knife came in and everything’s good.
The grinds and scales are flat and straight 👍🏻
@@craigcook1571 nice, glad to hear it worked out for you brother! Kinda jealous haha
I have the Anaconda and the Field2.0. I think they're fine blades, but I am also bothered by the grips not being flush to the tang. I don't have any blade QC issues, but the handle scales definitely need work.
Nice! I like the design of the anaconda. Maybe contact them and ask if they can redo the grips? Guess you could always do it yourself if you have a dremel and sandpaper. I just think regardless of the price, the grips should be flush.
@@CivilianWarrior I just got one of their Mullet knives, one of the scales sits below the tang (the other is flush). The thumb rest jumping is not fully deburred either. I sent it back for a fix and they deemed it sufficient for their QC standard of a “production knife”. Kind of a joke to have these issues on a $300+ knife. Really soured my view on the brand.
@@Twigz11 wow thats so wrong. Guess their lifetime guarantee is also a joke and they blame the customers so they don't have to replace anything. So they did nothing? Did you have to pay them to have your blade shipped back to you?
@@CivilianWarrior It’s still with them, I have a phone call scheduled with someone there on Monday. But I had to pay to ship it back. And looking at their policy I’m facing a 25% restocking fee. So basically I open the box, see sloppy work and get charged $81 for the privilege of inspecting and returning it.
Not sure how it would make it through qc either. Those are pretty significant issues
I want one of those Zev Winklers so bad. I have a Dynamis Revere and noticed its grind is uneven as well. I'm only particluar with my spear points, but this is unfortunate to see.
I just saw one of the zev winklers for sale on Arizona custom for $800ish. Sorry to hear about the Revere.
@@CivilianWarrior Thank you for the reply and checking. It looks like it might have sold sometime last month. I get their alerts for Winkler knives, but often it's sold before I even open the web page. I work in the Knife Shop at Bass Pro #1, and maybe one day I'll have one of these or the Ed Brown K1. Two dream knives right there.
@@sammiches6859 yeah happy to help when I can. Those are two nice blades, can't go wrong with either one. Best of luck!
3 min into your vid… I stopped. I see your examples of narrow etc.
don’t agree on your only using the knife to cut rope…
Here’s what you should do. Write a letter, return the knife ask for another- which I’m certain they’ll make it right or Completely step away from TOOR… the knife will do it’s job plus. Not defendingTOOR… but, appears you might be that customer WHO SPENDS $200-300 on a blade and complains …. Compared to many other brands out there… I’ve seen this before. But I probably have 40 years plus on you age wise.
I own and have owned many many high dollar knives - this is a production knife. It is what it is. It’s not a CUSTOM!
Custom would lean more towards forged knives. Toor uses cnc machines but they are a smaller company producing the same knives over and over. They got bigger and they have to do drops because they sell out, there’s not many knife companies anymore that didn’t start getting knives made in china. If you want custom I’d refer you to “Grizzly forge”
Without sounding like I’m defending toor but I wouldn’t be too concerned about the heat treat, I’m sure it was done to spec. The off centre tip wouldn’t concern me too much as long as the edge is straight. The handles tho yeh no excuse for that. Hope they sort it out for you.
Rookie mistakes for a premium price
The edge is straight and sharp, i'll give them that. Wish my Dynamis was as sharp as this one came.
I was super stoked for the Toor Knives 'Sicarios', but all the different variations of each edition have shown there's no true identity, and the name is more of a gimmick. Wish they would have worked with Ed Calderon and produced actual purpose designed knives if they were going to use this name. And yes, if they're going to charge nearly as much as Winkler or Wenger knives, the quality control needs to step up.
Always thought they had really cool designs but thought they were a lil overpriced, with these qc issues I am definitely not getting one just gonna make my own lol
My blade pops up out of the grip part at the middle area. Not sure if it is supposed to or not. Doesn't seem like it.
That zev knife is freaking beautiful
Mine was just as bad. Never again. I have the gen 1 sicario
Sorry to hear that! I tried getting that one but it sold out when I finally got the funds to get it.
I know old video but just wanted to say I have the Toor XT1 Bravo Carbon Fiber and I’m very happy with it but sharpening wasn’t perfect right out of the box and it’s on washers so the action definitely doesn’t drop shut but it flips open pretty snappy
Thanks for sharing! Glad you had a good experience.
Very helpful. Thank you.
I know the feeling of disappointment you have. When I was first getting into “high end” knives, I decided to buy a Mid-Tech Darrel Ralph that was around $350. That was a fortune for a knife to me, but Bladeforums was really good about removing Darrel Ralph smear, it seems. When it came the lock would fail from barely tappingthe back of the blade, the flipper/choil was so tight at the junction of the first finger it wouldn’t have fit a kid’s finger there, and when I disassembled the knife to try and salvage the lockup, the inlays in the handle had pieces of magazine paper behind them because the g10 was too thin to accommodate the hardware. Worst knife I have ever owned, worse than a gas station knife.
Thanks for posting this video so I didn’t feel that same disappointment again by buying a Toor.
I almost purchased a Toor knife. But after watching all the bad reviews and a few of their own videos. It was a major no go. They just seem over hyped and shady. I ended up going with a Stroup TU2.
Never heard of them until now. How long have you had it and do you like it?
@@CivilianWarrior Maybe around 4 months now. Honestly it’s a nice knife, especially the size…..for me at least. The texturing he does to the steel I could do without. And I had to touch up the retention on the sheath a bit. But overall I really like it.
Looks rough for the money?
It's been 5 months since this video first went up and I just got a special edition Blue Steel Serpent from Toor. The same grinds on my knife are uneven as well.
Damn, sorry to hear that! Are you sending it back?
@@CivilianWarrior No, I really don't want to pay a restocking fee, and I planned to slightly modify the knife anyway so I think I'll just keep it and use it as a workhorse. There's nothing else wrong with it other than it's not as sharp as I think a $300 knife should be.
Same on my fde serpent
Toor is obviously a hype beast brand that makes products for consoomers who aren't going to be using the knife for anything hard
I owned one of their blades. Absolutely awful blade. The tip snapped off a day after receiving it.
Sorry to hear that, did they take care of you?
@@CivilianWarrior no
Just watched this. Thanks for the review. Toor's response?
No, I don't want to say they never answer their phones bc several other ppl have said their calls have never gone unanswered. I then reached out through Instagram, first I DM them and then posted maybe two or three times on their posts with "@" and also never replied. I believe they posted a comment on here to which I replied with a question and again never heard back.
That does suck, they are about to drop the folders and I am highly interested in one of those. Now, I have hesiations. What has Toor done to fix this issue?
If you get one, please tell me how it came out. Was never able to get a hold of them as I mentioned in the video. They commented on here, I asked what they would have done if I still had this blade and haven't responded since I left them a reply maybe two weeks ago. Another person said the tip on their fixed blade broke off after having it for a day, he said Toor did nothing to fix it. Another person said they had an issue and were charged a 15% restocking fee. I'm still curious to hear what they would have done if I still had this blade.
Just saw they have a new tomohawk, looks pretty cool. Might give them another try.
@@CivilianWarrior That sucks that they aren't in contact with you. Plenty of excellent knife makers out there that will stand behind their knives. I will keep you posted on my purchase if I make it.
@@CivilianWarrior Yes it does, I would also consider a Winkler tomohawk or RMJ if you can swing it.
@@CivilianWarrior They're a tempting brand. I've had no problems. But RUclips reviewers seem split 50/50. Kind of a big deal given the price point.
And I literally just bought a F13 tomahawk... Hope it turns out okay!
That hawk does look nice, thought about giving them another try with that f13 but then decided to get more skydiving jumps in and get closer to my b license. I'd love to hear what you think about it when you get it. Hope it's better quality than mine was.
How'd it turn out?
People who look at blades care for optics, people who use knives can care less about blade grinds and other small annoyances
As they will work themselves out during repeated use
Yep its insane listening to this about a knife. I get that its overpriced but it will function fine.
@@taramoon9307 if you get a knife with a sloppy grind, start carving some logs, after an hour, the knife will be broken in and you'll forget all about the collector's aesthetics
Solid vid. I've considered Toor Knives for a bit now but something was holding me back, other than the price. Thank you for the info, that is some horrible quality control right there. I'm perfectly happy with my Pro-Tech Rockeye's as my fixed EDC. That Winkler is a beauty, what's it called? I didn't catch the name of it, some type of collaboration between designers.
Thanks for the subscription! That other blade is a collaboration between winkler and zev technologies. They only made 100 of them and it's the only blade I can't bring myself to use😏
an uneven tip is a design choice that strengthens the tip. this is a decent blade.
Case makes decent blades, This is a semic custom blade.. The word "decent" shouldn't even be in the conversation.
I've been looking at these but I'll hold off now. I'll stick with RMJ and Halfbreed.
This is pretty disheartening. Coming from a veteran owned couple, they should have taken way more pride in this blade. It has the potential of being a beautiful useful knife. Thats too bad that they don’t even bother to get back with you to make it right. I think I’ll stick with TOPS.
That ZEV & Winkler is badass i would of bought a few of those if i had known about the production
They made a mini tomahawk too. Missed out on that myself. I use all my blades except that one.
@@CivilianWarrior that ZEV tanto with the winkler combat axe or the combat hammer hawk would be a perfect set
I was looking at one of their knives but the price was a little high so I went to watch some reviews I'm glad I watched this video .. it's too bad because I love a few of their designs
Happy to hear it was useful. What did you end up going with?
i agree, for that price the knife should be flawless, i've seen $20 knives with better fit&finish.
i too have a toor (merchant folder) and there are also a lot of complaints on that model from other people, luckily mine didn't have any of them.
the part with not responding sucks @ss and is really really ugly, there's nothing worse than buying an expensive but flawed knife and then getting no support from the maker.
really sorry for you :-(
Glad to hear you got a good one bc they do look nice
@@CivilianWarrior i just got a toor chasm tanto and when i close it, the edge of the blade hits the backspacer.
it even came with a chunk of the edge missing...then i took a look at the stock photos and even these models have a nick in the edge..ugh!
luckily i bought it from a good dealer so i can return it.
last toor for me, they really need to get better tolerances before i consider them again.
cheers man and have a good day!
@@RUclips-Censorship-Police sorry to hear it didn't work out but glad to hear it was easy to return it and you weren't stuck trying to sell it through Craigslist or eBay like I did
Wow, I have some TOPS blades that were all under $150 that have much better QC than that. I had been considering a couple of Toor's models the past few but I've lost quite a bit of interest.
TOPS are great! pretty disappointed in Busse too
As a knife collector myself I tend not to hop on the band waggon and follow the trend of Instagram operator stuff. I have never had a QC problem like this with Tops knives.
Yeah Tops makes great stuff. Other thing I learned is lifetime guarantees aren't really lifetime. It's just as long as the company is in business. Nocturnal knives is a great example
@@CivilianWarrior Never heard of them.
@@CivilianWarrior I would say sand those scales down but you would mess up the blade finish plus it's not our job.
Send it back and demand it be re-ground, (made symmetrical), or that they give you a brand new blade.
Their company’s reputation is on the line here, so test their customer service and warranty coverage. It couldn’t hurt right?
That's what I was trying to do but my email must have gotten lost. I've seen it happen for companies I've worked for so giving them the benefit of the doubt. I no longer have this blade.
Yep. Easy to see. They should've have sold this. Send it back.
I tried getting in touch with them, called, emailed, left @comments on Instagram and even sent DM via Instagram. Didn't hear back until I posted video. They left a comment to which I replied and again they went silent afterwards
I always seen these as wannabe Winklers with all the price and half the quality. Seems my assumption was pretty close.
Yeah I'd agree! I have a winkler zev collaboration blade, wish I had known about the tomahawk. Great blade, definitely top 3 favorites
found this randomly and just thought for some insight to the industry from a collector perspective. you should not compare a small time company vs a big production one like ZT. zero tolerance is much larger and more well established than toor is as well as having much longer a history. semi custom and more expensive does not mean that things are higher quality or more perfect it means that there is a more human element in the making of it vs the "perfection" of a high end production knife like zt, we, reate etc. and when you are talking about semi customs vs production its important to know that to match the quality of a semi custom to a production you are going to pay FAR more than a toor. it is usually in the 700-1000 range they get close. I'm not saying toor doesn't need to work on their qc but you also need to dispose of the idea that price = better especially when in the custom and semi custom space.
Welp going with Winkler instead. Thanks!
I’ve owned both a Took Darter and Tomahawk, both were expensive and both let my expectations down. When I emailed Toor support they kept me in an e-mail loop for months, and when I commented on an Instagram post about my issues, one of the owners (I believe it was Conor Toor) treated me like an idiot. Will never buy a Toor again
Sorry to hear that. At least they got back to you. Apparently it wasn't until after I posted this and it had 5k views that the CFO tried reaching out to me via email. They actually emailed my father who waited 6 months before telling me about the email lol.
It doesnt matter if its a one-off, their customer service should take care of you. Thanks for the review
It's not a one-off.... that's the problem. Too many people have had problems with Toor blades for me to drop money on one.
@@ericsierra-franco7802 broke boy
Just use it!
Mine has the exact same problems. And the sheath is already rubbing the finish off.
Yeah that was an issue I noticed from the first draw and just got worse with every draw even after loosening the screws. I kept thinking I was the only one. I was thinking of giving them another try but I keep seeing comments from others saying they too have experienced the same issues on other models. I really hope they get their OC under control and can turn things around. I appreciate you watching and commenting!
I have some of their other knives with no problem. Just disappointed seeing that such a nice design was so poorly executed. No problem!
My Buck/Tops CSAR-T folder is my edc....get one
For the price of their knives, I'd expect superior fit and finish.
This is really unfortunate. They have a great appeal factor but the execution is just not anywhere where it needs to be.
Awful QC and their prices are insane. They have no right charging as much as they do for their knives.
Did you contact the company?
Yeah i called directly and even had to resort to leaving @comments on Instagram. Never heard back.
That's no good. I'm sorry to hear that. I guess Half-Face gets my business.
Personal experience, nothing but amazing customer service with Toor. They are always on the phones as long as it is within business hours.
All my toor knives have had some sort of questionable or non refined work done to them when they arrived to me if they even arrive. Used to get every limited edition and after the blue grip and silver blade sof series blade didn’t show up after 4 months and multiple emails back and forth telling me to wait I demanded getting a full refund because I even purchased the extra insurance in case that happened. 100% dissatisfied with the quality, pricing and customer service. Literally have nothing good to say and I’ve owned somewhere around 7 knives back when I didn’t know much about knife quality. 1/10 would never recommend
Damn man, sorry to hear that but glad you got your money back from them. I read all comments on here I think you've had the worst experience of anyone so far who's posted.
Interested in Darter review
I wont be getting one now good looking out i stick with HFB or Winkler
Can't recall if I mentioned it in my HFB vid but one of the times I went in to pick up my blade I noticed more than 5 push damascus push daggers on a desk. I asked if I could take a look at them, they said sure. Then asked if they were going up on the site soon and was told no. They weren't bc they didn't meet Andrews standards. I looked them over and didn't see anything wrong with them. If you follow HFB, you know his blades sell out within 1 min or less these days. He could have easily made a good amount of money by selling them but didn't. Haven't seen any push daggers for sale since them. Bc of this, I fully respect and trust all of his blades and will continue buying more. Hoping his custom books open soon.
You did mention it one of the many reasons I like them and that is the only negative is how difficult it is to get a hold of them but makes it so worth it when you do if you have not checked out the Jack Carr books you need to the first one is the terminal list
@@chrisscheuer7955 Great author. I had the honor of meeting him during a book signing for True Believer here in SD. Andy from HFB was also there. Actually just finished reading Devils Hand.
Wow that is awesome I can't wait for the show to come out at the end of the year or whenever it does and see all this gear used to full effect keep up the good work with the videos
Check out the Amtac Northman(great in the devils hand) if you have not great knife have been carrying mine everyday since i got it
That Video saved me some money :D now i gettingn one from Variant One.
Oh those look nice!! Thanks for commenting, never heard of that brand. Definitely going to check them out now.
wow, especially for the price, that qc is absolutely unacceptable.
You can get Bastien Coves factory knife far superior. Hell order a Smilodon from DirkPinkerton. If they can’t do a grind you know they Fubared the heat treat.
Exactly! if they can't even grid handle material to be even, there is no way I trust they did the heat treatment right
What happened to the knife? Do you still have it
No, sold it to a local guy who I told why I was selling it, even showed him this video. He said it was wrong blah blah and paid full price for it. Some time passed and he texted me demanding his money back bc the tip broke. No idea what he was using it for or for how long. Told him it wasn't my problem anymore.
this is not the first crap I've seen come from "toor"
It's definitely my first and last from toor. Just picked up a winkler sayoc r&d with the spike. Pretty nice!
In the world of collecting. This is an error. In the new world of DEI. This is a perfect blade.😂
It's not a chisel grind so someone very inexperienced ground this. Sucks there were a couple toor knives I was looking at. Very through together knives. Not that custom, made from pre cut stock.
Baton logs with a fighter shank?
Dude, baton logs with a Becker or Grayman Megapounder. But, yah I just learned about these toor knives today and went to the site and I was more appalled at the price point of these tiny knives then the American colonists were of the taxes on tea leaves in 1773!!
In would 100% be returning that. Wow.
Funny I bought an HTM, Randall King designed tactical fixed blade used and it has similar issues with the blade grind being uneven.
Its design reminds me alot of the Toor designs. The handle scales are perfect but they are perminantly bonded. Yours looks awful.
I lost interest in the knife design though and now prefer more utilitarian designs with much larger and ergonomic handles. I find the more tactical oriented are more about appearances than practicality. Different strokes.
Reminds me of another knife I impulse bought early in my knife hobby when I knew nothing, some Tops with a sub 5" blade, saber ground and 1/4" thick stock. WTF was I thinking? I had zero understanding of blade geometry, it was such a crap cutting blade but at least I sold it to another person at the same stage of their knife journey, new to the military. Actually, it might be usefull for that use wheere its being more a pry bar.
That grindwork is definitely off
What a glaring problem with a knife that's asking such a high price. Not worth it in my opinion.
I keep hearing and reading bad stuff about this brand.
I've seen a couple poor reviews of Toor knives.
I'm really curious if I just got a one off or if others who purchased this model have the same issues. Shame bc I really wanted to get the Haley strategic darter that is also made by Toor.
Some knives are not for mall ninjas. Some knives are designed to make bad guy bodies perforated and more aerodynamic.
I mean, I don't like the designs from Toor anyhow. Not a big fan of choils on self defense blades, the snag.
Wow send it back
You're complaining about nonsense.
Whhaaaaa thaaaa Faaaaaaaak? Wow and I literally was just about to drop 380 on the new shadow variant…. I was already really feeling that at that price the justification was barely there to buy it in the first place…but now…..Ahhh no.
You can't go wrong with half face blades. Just picked up a mk1 and immediately replaced my dynamis razorback.
@@CivilianWarrior yeah I agree I have an original version pneumo spike from them and love it…great recommendation..you know your blades sir.
But... But.... Muh superior American manufacturing.....
Oh. It's a semi-chisel grind.🤣🤣🤣🤣 Pretty sad really. Unfortunate that a U.S.A. made Knife company is having this many QC issues. Especially at that price point. Alotta other videos are having issues with the "Merchant" folder.
Love love love that Winkler though. Now that's a knife.😍🥰
Should of returned it
Wow they really care about selling a quality item. I think I will pass.
Good enough to leave in a bad guy
Tell that to the guy who purchased it from me after watching this video a month ago. Tip broke and he is now demanding for his money back lol
Oh damn no way! U called that lol