XPG Nia Hands On First Look, & Foveated Rendering, LPCAMM2 Ram, Tilt Screen
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- XPG and ADATA are making a handheld gaming PC with a tilting screen, Foveated Rendering and swappable ram using a CAMM2 Module! Known as the XPG Nia can this new handheld compete with the steam Deck and the ASUS ROG Ally X? Plus we also saw a new unbranded handheld known as the SIX United 5 that looks like a mix of the MSI CLaw and ROG Ally.
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Ey! Appreciate the shout out, ETA Prime. It was good times all around.
Rudy, my guy, finally getting some shoutouts!
@@abelcristiantimbalari7861 thanks man! ETA Prime is a cool dude. We had a lot of fun hanging out at Computex.
The ROG Ally is the King
The Lenovo Go second to none
The rest is not much
@@sherlockholmes870Okay?
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Foveated rendering works in VR because the screens take up your entire field of view, including your periphery. Your peripheral vision isn't nearly as sharp as your center, so the things *in* your periphery can be lower fidelity, and you won't really notice it all that much. It's not going to work quite the same on smaller screens, where the entire screen (or most of it) is in your center vision. You're going to notice the blurring, and it's going to be distracting. Even most large projector screens (100"+), viewed from a "normal" distance, aren't really large enough to make this work properly. It's cool that they're exploring this concept on a smaller device, but I don't think it's going to work out the way they intend.
As far as I know, focused vision is still a small part of a screen, even a small one, so maybe it can work as long as it's well tuned and the onfucused area is not tthta large and not that low res. Even in this video that is an exagetared example if I focus my vision on the center of the focused area it is not that bad, and I'm on a phone
Now I realize it's an exaggerated example, but it looks like an even shittier motion blur, which itself should be outlawed!
@@cmdrclassified that's incorrect. It's just a regular blur. Motion blur is directional. This is a low more like variable rate shading or dynamic resolution
@@mechanicalmonk2020 I never said it was, I simply said that it looks like a worse motion blur. That said, I understand that what we see on the video is not an accurate representation of what it looks like IRL. Much like trying to use a camera on a VR headset, as the lenses are designed for our eyes, not cameras.
@@cmdrclassified that's the neat part, you don't see it since it goes where you're gaze is
one thing that we should keep in mind camm2 modules even if the are single sided and small are always dual channel so that's a plus
i feel like i'm having glaucoma lol
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(LP)CAMM killing off (SO)DIMM 🤩
CAMM can't really kill DIMM, because there are a lot of drawback of CAMM currently.
@@Sup_Dcare to explain the drawbacks?
@@Roweyy price and capacity (maybe). The CAMM2 modules at computex maxed out at 64 GB while big desktop motherboards allow more DIMM slots.
Other than that, DIMM is dead. CAMM2 is smaller, lower power consumption, faster with better timings and ultimately has *the most room to improve*.
@@Roweyy CAMM is a single slot type RAM which is positioned horizontally on the Motherboard.
While it's good for small form factor like Laptops or Mini PC or Compact PC, on normal form factor it takes a lot of board space, increase the size of motherboards further (we already have issues of big GPU's, adding another size issue is really not ideal).
There is also the fact that, since it is dual channel type in a single module (in half size & full size form), while it's overall cost would be lower than say two sticks of DIMM RAM. But in the case of DIMM, if one RAM stick fails you can replace it with another, saving the cost of one working stick. But in CAMM, if the RAM fails, even if it's just a single part of it, you have to discard it whole and buy new.
@@vncube1 my thoughts exactly, every complaint i've seen is about having to replace the whole module if it fails rather than just 1 stick. Realisticly how often is ram breaking... giving off serious broke boy energy 😆
Dream Hendheld would not actually be a handheld but this: Take new ROG Ally hardware & re-package it into 12 or 13 inch 2in1 laptop. Basically ROG Flow X13, but with ROG Ally hardware & price tag.
So don't say dream handheld lmao
5:30 - Can't wait to buy this with an "Anbernic" logo on it.
just came here from an Anbernic video. the cube 😅
Oh God
Zotac Zone is where it's at for me - it's closest to Steam Deck input-wise.
You should wait and see if those trackpads are usable in steam input
@@Fgtfv567 still, it's the only Windows handheld PC for now to include both on each side. Will it work the same way? Probably not, but most users only care about easier navigation through Windows anyway.
Steam deck is still better then this heap of trash
@@Yusei255 thing is I don't want SteamOS - I don't care about console-like experience, I actually want to tinker my device manually and use any launcher I want, so I don't mind Windows. Does Steam Deck offer dual boot finally or is it still "work in progress"?
@@bugbuster8598 you've always been able to switch to desktop mode with steam deck and have been able to switch back to the steam OS at any time
The screen flaps around when you tilt it? Not sure I'm a fan of that.
IKR. It only takes one dumb movement and it's goodbye screen. I'm also pretty sure it won't survive a fall at knee-level height.
Hopefully that's isolated to pre-production models, but I agree that didn't look good.
There’s no way the final product ships like that
The video prototype is pretty bad, but Ayaneo and some others have already shown displays with more viewing angles, I think that's great. I use a rog Ally and I've played on Steamdeck and I always have to leave the screen Vertically so I can see the colors and definition of the game well, but it tires my wrists. I like playing with a controller resting on my legs or more horizontally, but with a handleheld you lose quality Of image. The display being able to change the angle would help A LOT! It just needs to be well made, like Microsoft Surfaces table supports, for example.
thats actually quite common with engineering prototypes, from what I've managed gather about the thing says it's scheduled for fall 2025 and that they still deciding on what APU they want to go with.
I hope every handleheld in 2025 has a tilt screen. I use a rog Ally but it gets very tiring to keep my hands arched to see the screen perfectly. I wish the display had more viewing angles
very exciting time for handheld gaming pcs, and it just keeps getting better.
Props to them for trying something new, but i think this "eye tracked dynamic resolution" would work much better on 27" 32" screens
2025 it's going to be a great year for portable pc gaming
The handheld I am really excited for is the Antec HS with the slide out screen and built in keyboard. The size is perfect for a lunchbox that has storage in it for lunch breaks at work. :)
It’s just a rebranded Ayaneo device. You don’t need to wait. It’s already for sale
The fact that it starts at $799 is wild
@@QualityScrub woiw that is cheap
Foveated Rendering on a device that's only like 10-20 percent of your FOV is absolutely pointless. You can see the WHOLE screen easily at a glance. So having portions of it being blurred or rendered better will be a hot mess. I'm gonna call this a swing and a miss and call it that this is a stupid gimmick and probably worse than not having it
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@@wvrlowwhy even comment bro
I think of all the handhelds being introduced over the past week, this is the most intriguing. The design is lackluster, but I love the concept
4:53 in indonesia local brand called ADVAN ,currently on sale for $550
Advan Xplay 🤣
Hmm, the eye tracking thing is interesting. I wonder how it will track for those with a lazy eye or missing eye.
Foveated rendering is very useful in VR where you have a very wide field of view. On these small screens you can easily see the entire screen all of the time. I'm. calling bs on this, but we'll see.
Hope you get your hands on the, M-Con V1 controller accessory
Love the future of this devices
I just use handheld companion's auto tdp to save on wattage. It works really well. I've been playing through halo master Chief edition and it only uses 9-12w cutscenes drops to 6w.
looks like its 3d printed and off of ali express, not very suprised since xpg isnt very experienced in theese situations.
They are proposing a lot of innovative ideas in this console.Dont mind the hardware.Its obviously a prototype to showcase their ideas
It's probably 3d printed since it's just a prototype
This Foveated Rendering seems a bit of a gimmick to me, especially when you are looking at an eight inch screen.
It works great in VR. Makes them perform a lot better. And even on small screens, there’s still a specific area of focus you’re looking at. Could be great for future handhelds if implemented well
@@christianr.5868 Ya it's great in Vr but being farther away from a small 7in screen I don't think it's gonna be great but hope it is.
@@l-_-lForkBombl-_-l let me ask you something. Assuming you’re on your phone, if you’re looking at my comment, can you read the comment the OP’s comment? Like out of the corner of your eye?
@@christianr.5868nope my eyes blur it out.
@@christianr.5868 yes, but VR is only 110 FOV and the screen is up close.
Handheld Screens are played further out and people have bigger peripheral view
i.e. see more of the screen.
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The first one would be a Frankenstein of a handheld. It would have 8.8-inch 144hz 2560x1600p screen just like the Legion Go but it would also have VRR just like the ROG Ally. I would also opt for an OLED that can go up to 1000 nits just like the Steam Deck OLED. It would have a Steam Deck like controller with a trackpad on each side. The controllers can also detach from the screen just like on the Legion Go. It would also have Hall-effect joystick, so it will never have stick drift. It would use the Z1 Extreme or some other high end AMD chipset with RDNA 3 integrated graphics. It would have 32gb of DDR5 ram clocked at 7500mhz. It would use a full-sized M.2 2280 PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD like on ROG Ally X, so I can get an 8tb stick or a reasonably priced 4TB stick. It would have an 80+ Wh battery. The ROG Ally X has an 80Wh battery but since my dream handheld would be even bigger than that, I don't see why we couldn't incorporate an even bigger battery. We might even be able use a battery as big as that max 99.99Wh allowed on airplanes. It would run Windows 11 but with a special handheld optimized skin. Maybe an Xbox-like interface to access all of your games when you turn on the device but has a separate mode that takes you into the default windows 11 OS. I know Steam Deck and Linux won't agree with this, but it is my dream handheld and Windows is just more versatile and allows multiple game launchers. It would support all the latest connectivity options such as Wi-Fi 7, Bluetooth 5.4, and 5G. It would have dual front-firing speakers. In terms of IO, I would want 3 USB-C ports. 2 on the top and 1 on the bottom. It would also have a 3.5mm combo audio jack and a MicroSD card slot. It would have an Oculink or a thunderbolt 5 port to connect an external GPU. A thunderbolt 5 port has similar bandwidth to Oculink and can be one of those USB-C ports located on the top. Some additional features I want would be a built-in kickstand, gyro, a webcam with Windows Hello, auto-brightness, microphone, magnetic keyboard, and active stylus support. Some of these features such as webcam, stylus, 5G, and magnetic keyboard aren't commonly found in handheld, but it is commonly found in laptops and tablets. Adding these features shouldn't be too hard for a handheld and will make it more versatile.
Just watching that foveated rendering demo was straining my eyes. I couldn't imagine actually using that. I'd get horrific headaches.
I think my perfect handheld is the ROG Ally X, but with an 8" 1080p VRR 120hz OLED screen. That would be amazing.
I would love to see a windows handheld with the power of the ayaneo next lite (4800u) but in the size of an odin pro for around $300. That would make for an awesome budget portable pc handheld
eye tracing sound nice, but not on handheld, all that optimization is not free, it will take some processing power, or NPU, but what happen if some one try to look at my screen, I think that feature is good for vr. They can provide more termal budget thanks to flip screen with better ventilation, that alone can boost performance
That gimmick is gonna eat any performance gains from the graphics they are blurring, sounds like false promises🙄
wow, that makes me nauseous.
No FOV rendering for me.
I'm good with an oled panel flip up screen with keyboard, and the $1,500 high end amd iGPU combo setup.
Try and keep it small 6" screen. If they stick with that, it's my laptop/dekstop replacement. I buy a laptop every couple of years that is the 70 series nvidia but if the amd iGPU can keep up I would rather have a hand held with a laptop dock.
As far as dream handheld, I would love to see a handheld using one of Framework's mainboards (prob the AMD one) .
Interesting concept I'd like to see how it works on such a small screen. The example gave me a headache but maybe with eye tracking it won't be noticeable.
I just want a Steam Deck that has a 1080p screen, the same TDP, and double the gaming performance so FSR isn't so necessary. Waiting another 3 years for the APUs to achieve that is fine by me.
Very cool concept and could help out for mobile!
Eye-tracking for resolution sounds great but focus-latency could be an insurmountable issue; eyes tend to dart.
Looking for a handheld PC TV recomendation
How about a phone or tablet and call it a day
4:39 is an Advan Xplay 🤣🤣
I knew we would be seeing them soon! And glad to see they will be doing the Ryzen version also
hmm, a handheld with up-gradable ram, that doesn't feature having to just outright buy a different unit could be a real game changer there in and of itself.
Dream handheld: 8040U and above APU, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD, form factor of an Odin 2, 8" OLED screen with VRR, at least two USB ports, Hall effect joysticks, mechanical buttons, micro SD card slot, detachable controllers, built in stand.
That would be 2,000 dollars😂
@@marshall1024less than 2000 but more than 1200 for sure
eye tracked rendering looks super cool but with screens as small as handhelds it sounds more gimmicky. Would be nice on my desktop when pushing 4k.
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Foveated rendering is gonna work wonders for people who aren't crosseyed and have non-reflective glasses.
Pretty useless on a small screen
How will the pre order work? Got news that they will start pre orders Q4 of this year and I'll definitely get one. I'll appreciate all the help! Thanks!
I wish they would start offering larger screens. something 9-10 inches would be ideal.
Windows Hello compatible camera and fingerprint reader could be easily integrated onto these handhelds.
6:40 "what is the handheld gaming pc market missing right now...list the dream specs"
- 8TB+ SSD support (These devices are going to have to hold massive Steam, GOG and Emulation libraries)
- Bigger batteries (battery tech needs to advance, meanwhile 80W+ ought to be min. standard for premium handheld PCs)
- USB4.2 to come out ~ OEMs have no control over this, but this will make eGPUS power all handheld gaming PCs.
It would be nice if those handhelds showed SteamOS running tbh. Though it's also kind of VALVe's fault for still not having released a generic image.
My Ideal handheld runs on arm, most likely snapdragon X elite. 80 watt hour battery. VRR Oled at 144hz. 7.5 inch screen bezel less design. ~650 grams. And one of those think pad nipples instead of a trackpad. Playstation controller layout.
Those OEM handheld, one company in Indonesia use it, and call it advan x-play
The handheld market misses a proper Docking Station which ups the perfomance when docked. paired with a graphics card and more power, better cooling etc.
6:00 wow like Advan xplay Indonesia amd ryzn7 7840u
Rig ally x with trackpads would be perfect
Dream handheld would be 8 inch 1080p 120hz OLED display with 80 wats battery and would love to see NVDIA GPU and intel inside if not AMD processor and NVDIA GPU would be great as well.
Honestly, I don't see that special rendering working well enough to make that a feature worth having, but maybe they will prove me wrong. I have yet to see auto brightness work properly on a device, so this seems like a pipe dream, but time will tell I guess?
AMD AI 790M chip, 8.5” OLED VRR 120hz FreeSync panel, 32GB Ram 7500Mhz, 85whr battery, switch OLED style kickstand, one USB A, two USB C TB4 or make one an oculink port, mSD card on the bottom, Hall effect triggers and joysticks, fingerprint sensor on the power button, two 1TB 2230 NVMes with ability to boot in either SteamOS or Windows 11.
Dreaming is cool and all but this is a little much to ask for
Next improvement from Asus ROG ALLY has to be 120hz OLED with VRR but I don’t think it’s a dealbreaker
The new ROG Ally X is probably the best option apart from Steam Deck.
Not a dealbreaker but definitely a bank breaker
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Zotec but smaller
Meteor-lake is already in the MSI claw and laptops, what you are probably thinking is the Lunar-lake that the upcoming MSI claw 8 AI will use. Pass on tilting, sliding or bendy screens they are largely prone to breakage than regular still displays. Its great that they are promising upgradeable ram but the other specs are meh should avoid.
4:42 this one is really similar to newly launched handheld pc by local brand in indonesia named Advan X Play but the difference is Advan X Play uses AMD Ryzen 7 7840U not Intel chip, idk this could be from the same oem i guess 🤔
I would like the latest RDNA 3.5 set up in a new handheld with at least 16cu's. Throw in a nice AMOLED display at 120 hz and VRR and I am happy. 1tb hard drive minimum, it shouldn't be premium anymore.
You still haven't mentioned anything about how you got winlator working on the S24 Ultra. You didn't even mention which mod you are using.
So many handhelds i cant choose
I’m waiting for these handhelds to become smaller
Nvidia showed a similar tech to Foveated Rendering called Multi Res Shading years ago and almost no game uses it (sadly)
I can see that eye tracking focus working in a headset, not sure about a handheld
@ETA PRIME, what are your thoughts on usb 4 and thunderbolt on handhelds? I am under the belief that they are a must have now. Since the ally x, legion go and onexplayer stuff, I think we need the option of having a non proprietary port for things like egpus. Oculink as a must have would be nice but I doubt they would be a default. It would be nice though.
So its like tunnel vission but for graphics,not sure if it will work with competitive gaming like mobas....
Rog Ally X but with a proper dpad and both sticks on the bottom but half the size would be the perfect portable. Pocket ps3
Any new razer edge?
Foveated rendering make total sense in VR, maybe even a large display... but on a small display 2 feet away from your face? I can't see how the foveation would actually be as hidden as it is in VR.
these should be more in line with the price of a ps5/xbox. 900 euros for an ally x is way too much money, i paid 1000 euros for my laptop with a 4060 in it. 500 to 600 is more the price i would love to see for these things. i would get the deck because that rocks but i`d like to have access to gamepass aswell on a device like this
So im assuming we're not going to see new handhelds with the new ryzen apus this year
on psvr2 foveat rendering works really well, but in a windows handheld, its hard to beleave
love your videos man. amazing content but i gotta disagree with you on one thing. i absolutely love the design of this handheld and the size. i'm probably gonna get this one. sidenote, how come they don't have cameras like the ps vita did. i noticed that about this new generation of handheld
Prefect handled is The body of onexplayer 2 Pro, with Ryzen 1Z EXTREME, 32gb of ram, with 2280 ssd support armor crate software and For the love of God an Oulink port !!!!!!!!!!!
Wow so many gaming hanhelds r getting released
Just from the video, no way in crap for that not rendering the whole screen
iam waiting for steamdeck 2
I just don't like the idea of peripheral vision being at a lower res. I've never seen it before but if your example is how it will work, you can't even see at peripheral level.
I would love to see a handheld that streamed from my PC instead of having the brains inside it. Would keep the weight down and battery life up. Similar to the PlayStation portal.
Eventually, someone will make a high-spec gaming tablet so we can use our own controllers.
Great more handhelds means more competition equals better prices for consumers thanks 😂😂
Psvr2 already does this
and? This isn't VR.
I wonder how much processing power does that foveated rendering mechanism require.
I want to see more 3-in-1 handhelds
There is the Legion Go. Handheld console, tablet and docked PC.
@@Razidurgh yeah, also oxp and minisforum v3, but I want to see more come out with that form factor, tablet, laptop and handheld
Anything with discreet dedicated graphics?
I’d like the power but the battery life would be horrible. Would definitely be a plugged in all the time handheld lol
The antec size wise was what I am looking for, but the price is just too steep and 60hz screen. Has anyone did a variable refresh rate like in phones??
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Wait...so theres not a keyboard under the screen?? Missed opportunity. Plus a 60hz ips is pretty lame.
No detachable controller : i sleep
Foldable screen,they need to add some magnets or slider...
Happy that more and more companies are entering the handheld market but are they also competing who can have the ugliest design in handheld?
So pretty
Foviated rendering, if it’s well implemented, could be a game changer for performance and battery life for these handhelds
Foveated rendering wouldn't work well at all with a handheld
@@waltuhputurdaway well just have to wait and see the reviews. We’ve never had something like it on a handheld so we’re both going off what we think will work
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Foveated focusing is a neat idea but it doesn't seem to work. Even when I focus where ETA Prime says to focus, I can easily see the blurring at all the other parts of the screen. It really looks janky and bad, so while the idea is good the implementation is not.
Foveated rendering motion blur on top of motion blur in the game and it will be a blurry mess. It makes you feel like you got bad eye sight. Its a really bad idea.
This only works in VR games but on a small screen, I don't see the point. The flip screen is an interesting idea but its a failure point. I like the kick stand though but they need to make it like switch oled and not be loose.
The only interest I have for future handhelds is battery life and Rog Ally X with 80 Wh battery is where I'll put my money.
What is it missing? Commodity products competing on meeting lower price/perf sweetspots. rather than trying to make the most over the top luxury device that will be outdated in 6 months anyhow. It's a fast moving market, pump out some cheap units that get the job done, Orange Pi neo style, heck, beat um if ya can, 6800u old stock? can ya get it cheap enough to hit $400? DO IT!