All the data centres have generator backups and they suck almost a quarter of our electricity capacity out of the network. Why are they prioritised over hundreds of thousands of people?
You are looking in the wrong place. Data centres have nothing to do with it the power outages. Poor infrastructure is the primary cause and people just do not care about the issue.
@@Art-is-craft I’m not saying they are the reason for the outages. But that they demand 25% of our energy output, and for it to be consistent and reliable. Which it is. Yet we can’t do that for our homes. The government under the greens have taken their eye off the ball.
Why are the ESB hanging all these cables up in the air, all Internet, ESB, phone cables should be in Ducts under the ground, like any normal country. ESB busy lining their own pockets, instead of doing the job right & wat I find amazing is that, nobody could see this. This Island is unbelievable. People on the news talking about generators, solar panels, safty first. Really if people had brains on this Island they would be dangerous. Generators stone age stuff 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Live 5 mins from the Dublin border. Near to Blessington. The power cuts out every time there is a yellow graded storm. It's very tiring. I am not living in the middle of nowhere. Edited to add, I would just love to know why the ESB for 20 years hasn't particularly improved anything seemingly in this pocket of area along the N81 lol.
We have third world infrastructure in this country of ours, irish water is not fit for purpose and our electricity supply board made wait for it 800 + million profit in 2023 and 700 million last year, nothing third world about them figures 😳
Perhaps the government will find an adequate use for some of those billions of euro they have lying around? Seems as though the country increasingly needs better infrastructure and in this case infrastructure-relief during extreme weather events.
@@deirdrecollins3987 No. Irish cables should not be underground. Containment fir cables that are underground tend to work best in densely populated areas not small towns and country populations like Ireland. The real issue is rotten infrastructure.
@@dommywantstoknow Anything above 55 mph winds and these turbines have to be shut down. This is to avoid risk of damaging them in a runaway blade spin scenario.
It has nothing to do with underground cable or aerial cables. Lack of maintenance is the main driving force. The poles are rotten and break in storms and the cable braces also get ripped out if those rotten poles.
Rural power supply will always be overhead, too expensive to underground. The unusually high number of one off houses in rural Ireland means the ESB has an overhead network several times the size of other countries.
My homeplace is surrounded by trees. All remain standing, and we've had an uninterrupted energy supply, fortunately. Trees along power lines aren't an issue per se. The problem is the lack of tree maintenance. The vast majority of downed trees are smothered in ivy, which acts like a sail in high winds. Remove the ivy from trees, and they are far less susceptible to storm damage. I say this as a professional arborist.
Apparently power lines and sitka spruce plantations don't go well together - but we've known that for years. They now often are framed by leafy trees, a fig leaf of sorts.
@angelikalindenau943 the issue here is that there's meant to be a separation distance of 50m between evergreen (sitka spruce) plantations and HT wires. Unlike France and Germany, this country has no formal programme to maintain such clearings. Everything here is reactive rather than proactive.
@@robby8958 Tree maintenance? That is absurd. Trees should never be near power lines. You can never control their outcome in high winds. Some will snap in two when their core is rotten or if they have foliage. If people want trees then grow them away from power lines. Never allow a tree to grow next to your house or power line.
There are so many plantations, last storm we were out for a week because a whole stretch of forest collapsed on a line. Out of power again and our fault as per usual is not even showing on the outage map yet. Bought EcoFlows after the last outage, and a small petrol generator to charge the EcoFlows. Collecting rainwater, and got wood stoves with no need for pumps. By now we all know this is not going to get better, so start outage proofing yourselves. This outage has been far less painful for us than the last, but no internet and phone for 2 days was still scary, and harder to counter. Might look into Starlink.
Because the companies that run them pay for infrastructure up grades in their area. The rest of the areas have no such maintenance because the public is not aware.
As usual in that country the "we will be grant" attitude means no planning for anything. Money spent to please the same ones always. It is not only inefficiency at this point, it is corruption.
In Kiltealy fifty properties are currently installing solar and batteries to reduce dependency on the electricity grid. This should be standard practice for all buildings in Ireland as we cope with climate change 🤔
Should have asked Margaret why do Irish Water charge people for 2 and more water meters when people have only one. Irish Water doesn't listen when people tell them that they have only one meter and instead continue to charge people for 2 and more meters. And Irish Water take people to court to get money for something people don't have
@@Art-is-craft Close to 1 million lost there power supply afther the storm, if the lines were underground no power loss would of happened, there was a review of putting powerlines underground a few years ago but it was rejected in the dail because of price lots of countries have done this already and never have outages after storms!
Rural power supply will always be overhead, too expensive to underground and a nightmare to maintain, particularly in Ireland because the number of one off houses in the countryside means the ESB has a rural network several times the size of other countries.
@@davidpryle3935 nightmare to maintain? The esb have to lay over a thousand miles of cable after the storm, in some areas they had to start from scratch because there was nothing left in co cavan.underground systems are virtually are low maintenance, our water system although loads of leaks was laid in victortiam times, all Irelands broadband is underground, there's no weather underground , it happens every winter costs millions to repair not the logical idea to keep it open wide the elements, there are crews from Austria france Netherlands all saying they stopped overhead electricity decades ago!
Very disorganised, all sites could have been wired to be generator ready, that way the generators could be moved around where needed and hooked up by any general caretaker with very basic training. Talk seems very cheap to people that have been effected.
Why do the generators have to be distributed. She just disclosed that they have the number of locations with no generator. Place an order for 8,000 generators. Now, today. God what a useless person.
@@Euripides_ it would take 5 years for such an order to be fulfilled. Large generators are not as readily available as domestic 3kW ones. Not to mention the cost of such an order where 50% of the generators might never see action.
@@robby8958 so not that long then? yes. So order now. Today. Is your logic that since they won’t all be here tomorrow there’s no point doing anything? Order them/finalise the tender this week and start the process of receiving them so they are there for the storm next year, and the year after, and after that. Then in 5 years (hypothetically) every site will have one. Then every year they are tested/maintained and new ones ordered as needed. This is standard procurement and management. Thousands of us in the private sector do this every day. But as soon as you’re in public service you don’t have to do a tap. As for cost? Please don’t make me laugh. May I remind you how much free cash the state has right now? Yet we have no water
Why haven't tgey got a windmil as back upl at the site for stormy weather ? I men a storm should produce 100% more electricity in a storm ? There are 6 of them in Fr collins park that are never turning !!!
Surely the government should imvest in putting the power lines in shared trenches and decrease damage to electrical infrastructure. Ireland does have the resources to be able to do this. The question is, will the government seriously consider this solution?
Why do people think they do not need maintenance when under ground. The same state that does not maintain above ground infrastructure will do the same thing no matter where the cables are.
@@Art-is-craft My sister lives in switzerland for the last 30 years and never had a power cut apart from scheduled maintaenance where customers are informed and usually lasts only 2 hours
This was a once in 100 year storm with widespread damage across the entire country. The ESB have approx 3,000 employees of which a number of these are in HR, Finance, customer service, marketing (so not out repairing fallen lines etc.). With the level of damage across the country how do people expect the ESB to have their power back almost the next day. Its physically impossible for that number of employees to get through the volume of work.I live in the country myself and I empathise with those who are without power but unfortunately that is the price you pay for living in the country. If you live in a rural area with few inhabitants then the ESB will rightly prioritise reconnecting other higher population areas before yours. Move to a town/city if in future you want a higher probability of being reconnected quicker. Hard to have it both ways.
Yeah better still move to a future 15 min city. Do you know there's a study found out cities turn people into psychopaths. I am not joking. Cities are toxic unnatural environments. By the way do people understand the American military is ON record for saying they'll own the weather by 2025 and Tennessee was one of the first states to pass laws against weather manipulation. People are so gullible and moronic these days and don't dig for what's going on.
@bergannon6585 I'm no expert but a project like that involving putting every ESB line in the country underground would cost 10's of billions of euros and be an administrative nightmare. This is totally unfeasible in my opinion given the infrequent nature of these storms. I would much rather that money be spent on new hospitals, schools, public nursing homes, creche, disability services etc. Private homeowners like myself living in the country are free to retrofit private generators and changeover switches in their houses if they wish to have power when network is down. Given cost however I don't see too many people doing this. They'll just complain ESB are not working fast enough instead.
@@johnnyryan8995 That storm was not a once in a 100 year event. That is just a media slogan. That was a normal once a decade storm it had unique conditions but every large storm has those. Do you not remember the storms before Christmas.
@Art-is-craft Mean wind speeds of 135km/h were recorded and gusts of 183km/h. Previous record from 1945 was mean wind speeds of 131km/h and gusts of 182km/h. This is actual Met Eireann data nothing to do with media. Apologies my 100 year statement above was perhaps abit flippant it was actually the worse storm in 80 years. Rural electrification in Ireland began in 1946 and was only concluded in the 1970's so back in 1945 there were no power lines to actually knock. Hence less damage back then. Storm Darragh before Christmas had top gusts of 140km/h and mean wind speed of 111km/h
Stop the whinging…nearly every road in Ireland has two distinct features, power lines and mature, ash trees far gone with dieback and covered in ivy. What do you think will happen when the wind blows ? Stop yer whinging and accept your responsibilities…remove the trees before they fall on the power lines. In theory the landowner is responsible but as usual they are waiting for a grant or some other government help.
@@Art-is-craft I had nine or ten trees a potential hazard to power lines so I removed them. My neighbour said” you will get into trouble”. I didn’t… I called the Co Co Enviro and she said “what else would you do”. She also said be careful doing it because if you damage the power lines while removing trees the ESB will charge you the full cost of the repair. She also said why didn’t you make your concerns known to the ESB. I didn’t, they said we might be able to bet to you in about three years. What regulations ?
@@walterbrowning Land owners cannot just cut trees that are on a road. Hedges are one thing but free standing trees that have felling risk on public access cannot be cut just as a ditch cannot be levelled or water ways interfered with. Light maintainable growth is one thing cutting down a a 20 foot tall tree is another thing entirely. The busier a road is the more risk it presents. But you also must see all the road side trees out there.
@@davidpryle3935 open yer eyes David and your mind if you can…my comments reflected, generally , my own experience and referred to any situation where power lines were within reach of falling trees. Did you not see the endless news reports of fallen trees and power lines ALL of them on roads.
All the data centres have generator backups and they suck almost a quarter of our electricity capacity out of the network.
Why are they prioritised over hundreds of thousands of people?
They're spending 1 billion euro on a water pipe from Shannon to Wicklow on behalf of Facebook if that makes ye feel better 😂 sicken ye
You are looking in the wrong place. Data centres have nothing to do with it the power outages. Poor infrastructure is the primary cause and people just do not care about the issue.
@@Art-is-craft I’m not saying they are the reason for the outages. But that they demand 25% of our energy output, and for it to be consistent and reliable. Which it is. Yet we can’t do that for our homes. The government under the greens have taken their eye off the ball.
Why are the ESB hanging all these cables up in the air, all Internet, ESB, phone cables should be in Ducts under the ground, like any normal country. ESB busy lining their own pockets, instead of doing the job right & wat I find amazing is that, nobody could see this. This Island is unbelievable. People on the news talking about generators, solar panels, safty first. Really if people had brains on this Island they would be dangerous. Generators stone age stuff 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Let's see them remove the "standing charge" from all electricity bills next month 🤣🤣🤣 yeah right.
@@RufusToots420 k a bit rude
Live 5 mins from the Dublin border. Near to Blessington. The power cuts out every time there is a yellow graded storm. It's very tiring. I am not living in the middle of nowhere.
Edited to add, I would just love to know why the ESB for 20 years hasn't particularly improved anything seemingly in this pocket of area along the N81 lol.
@@LoCoAde87 vote fur de greens they’ll raise taxes to stop the weather gettin badder
Bad planning and there is no money for them replacing old infrastructure.
We have third world infrastructure in this country of ours, irish water is not fit for purpose and our electricity supply board made wait for it 800 + million profit in 2023 and 700 million last year, nothing third world about them figures 😳
Perhaps the government will find an adequate use for some of those billions of euro they have lying around?
Seems as though the country increasingly needs better infrastructure and in this case infrastructure-relief during extreme weather events.
That money is for their friends not you
Yes yes yes! Huge job but shouldn’t we be moving the cables underground. The storms will only be getting worse. This should be a priority !
@@deirdrecollins3987
No. Irish cables should not be underground. Containment fir cables that are underground tend to work best in densely populated areas not small towns and country populations like Ireland. The real issue is rotten infrastructure.
@ Thank you for explaining that.
So not enough generators but plenty of useless wind turbines.
@@karlhulme8014 You'd think storm winds would be a time to shine for these wind turbines.
@@dommywantstoknow Anything above 55 mph winds and these turbines have to be shut down. This is to avoid risk of damaging them in a runaway blade spin scenario.
Wind turbines feed into the grid so if the lines get cut there offline also
@dommywantstoknow they feed into the gris so doesn't make a difference if the lines get cut
@@_alienblood they also use 1kw and up per hour when no wind:):)
Germany put power lines under ground back in the 79's
It has nothing to do with underground cable or aerial cables. Lack of maintenance is the main driving force. The poles are rotten and break in storms and the cable braces also get ripped out if those rotten poles.
Rural power supply will always be overhead, too expensive to underground.
The unusually high number of one off houses in rural Ireland means the ESB has an overhead network several times the size of other countries.
My homeplace is surrounded by trees. All remain standing, and we've had an uninterrupted energy supply, fortunately.
Trees along power lines aren't an issue per se. The problem is the lack of tree maintenance. The vast majority of downed trees are smothered in ivy, which acts like a sail in high winds.
Remove the ivy from trees, and they are far less susceptible to storm damage.
I say this as a professional arborist.
Apparently power lines and sitka spruce plantations don't go well together - but we've known that for years. They now often are framed by leafy trees, a fig leaf of sorts.
@angelikalindenau943 the issue here is that there's meant to be a separation distance of 50m between evergreen (sitka spruce) plantations and HT wires. Unlike France and Germany, this country has no formal programme to maintain such clearings.
Everything here is reactive rather than proactive.
@@robby8958
Tree maintenance?
That is absurd. Trees should never be near power lines. You can never control their outcome in high winds. Some will snap in two when their core is rotten or if they have foliage. If people want trees then grow them away from power lines. Never allow a tree to grow next to your house or power line.
Well done Eamonn Ryan - thanks to his policies 1,000s of families have been left with no means of heating their homes - some until February....!
Ah but only fur carbon taxes it would have been worse
They should have opened community centers for the homeless during the red warning. government slow to react in emergency.
Government slow, full stop!
They'll have to send them off elsewhere as climate refugees 🙄
Have you seen a lobby for the homeless? Neither have I, and if it existed it wouldn't have influence based on donation power.
And the people voted them in
@@garrybraddish1778 I'm not convinced that they did.
There are so many plantations, last storm we were out for a week because a whole stretch of forest collapsed on a line. Out of power again and our fault as per usual is not even showing on the outage map yet. Bought EcoFlows after the last outage, and a small petrol generator to charge the EcoFlows. Collecting rainwater, and got wood stoves with no need for pumps. By now we all know this is not going to get better, so start outage proofing yourselves. This outage has been far less painful for us than the last, but no internet and phone for 2 days was still scary, and harder to counter. Might look into Starlink.
Just wait for the whole "its the climate change " headlines from this fool .
Sounds cool
Pardon the pun
I don't think it's possible to attribute individual weather events to climate change.
Behind the times in looking after the people
DONT FORGET PEOPLE, the data centers dont go down..
Because the companies that run them pay for infrastructure up grades in their area. The rest of the areas have no such maintenance because the public is not aware.
As usual in that country the "we will be grant" attitude means no planning for anything. Money spent to please the same ones always. It is not only inefficiency at this point, it is corruption.
Where are the heavily insulated greens ?
The wind blowing out of the newstalk studio should be monitored
Bet they had plenty of electricity and water at the IPAS centres!
There's lots of generators in Rathkeale....!
Fake Honda ones 😅
So now go buy generator to go with your Leccy Car also buy Trailer to haul it around or maybe just Drill baby Drill
And yer heat pump.
Put fireplaces back in house. The green Muppets
As if waking up to Pat Kenny wasn’t bad enough!
The old lessons will be learned line is out again 😂😂.
Didn't we have the previous overwhelming storm only a few weeks before? Who learnt ANYTHING?
Maybe the government should concentrate less on criticism of Trump and try instead to build a proper infrastructure for the people who voted them in.
They might be sorry they criticized trump.
If only we could have him for a week in IRELAND to sort it out
@claret4381 Easier to criticise Trump than address their own failings.
In Kiltealy fifty properties are currently installing solar and batteries to reduce dependency on the electricity grid. This should be standard practice for all buildings in Ireland as we cope with climate change 🤔
Should have asked Margaret why do Irish Water charge people for 2 and more water meters when people have only one. Irish Water doesn't listen when people tell them that they have only one meter and instead continue to charge people for 2 and more meters. And Irish Water take people to court to get money for something people don't have
All be forgotten when people sit down and have their cup of tea with milk and a touch of bovaer , off to vote the same lot in again.
The solution is simple. Bury the power cables. Hurricane strength storms are only going to increase.
That will never happen, too expensive.
@@davidpryle3935 Process can be started though county by county.
AND THE NEW HOUSES ARE ALL ELECTRIC
... NOT EVEN A FIREPLACE TO WARM THEM. SHOCKING NONE SENSE
Climate nonsense
Strong wind's in county Claire😒🇮🇪🚤⚓
Is this Euorpe, such deficiency in resources? Why do not all plants have generators in place already
The lines need to be underground
No that is not required. There are some specialised cases were underground works but as a whole Ireland does not need that.
@@Art-is-craft Close to 1 million lost there power supply afther the storm, if the lines were underground no power loss would of happened, there was a review of putting powerlines underground a few years ago but it was rejected in the dail because of price lots of countries have done this already and never have outages after storms!
Rural power supply will always be overhead, too expensive to underground and a nightmare to maintain, particularly in Ireland because the number of one off houses in the countryside means the ESB has a rural network several times the size of other countries.
@@davidpryle3935 nightmare to maintain? The esb have to lay over a thousand miles of cable after the storm, in some areas they had to start from scratch because there was nothing left in co cavan.underground systems are virtually are low maintenance, our water system although loads of leaks was laid in victortiam times, all Irelands broadband is underground, there's no weather underground , it happens every winter costs millions to repair not the logical idea to keep it open wide the elements, there are crews from Austria france Netherlands all saying they stopped overhead electricity decades ago!
@@davidpryle3935 BTW every house in Ireland has the cables already underground even in rural Ireland
Very disorganised, all sites could have been wired to be generator ready, that way the generators could be moved around where needed and hooked up by any general caretaker with very basic training. Talk seems very cheap to people that have been effected.
Why do the generators have to be distributed. She just disclosed that they have the number of locations with no generator.
Place an order for 8,000 generators. Now, today.
God what a useless person.
@@Euripides_ it would take 5 years for such an order to be fulfilled. Large generators are not as readily available as domestic 3kW ones. Not to mention the cost of such an order where 50% of the generators might never see action.
@@robby8958 so not that long then? yes. So order now. Today.
Is your logic that since they won’t all be here tomorrow there’s no point doing anything?
Order them/finalise the tender this week and start the process of receiving them so they are there for the storm next year, and the year after, and after that. Then in 5 years (hypothetically) every site will have one. Then every year they are tested/maintained and new ones ordered as needed.
This is standard procurement and management. Thousands of us in the private sector do this every day. But as soon as you’re in public service you don’t have to do a tap.
As for cost? Please don’t make me laugh. May I remind you how much free cash the state has right now? Yet we have no water
Go woke Go broke is proving true everywhere and Ireland has gone very woke hopefully this wave of common sense hits us
DEI pick😂
@@robby8958
5 years. That sounds about right for Ireland.
Why haven't tgey got a windmil as back upl at the site for stormy weather ? I men a storm should produce 100% more electricity in a storm ? There are 6 of them in Fr collins park that are never turning !!!
They've collapsed in Galway lot's of broken ones.
They actually work better with slower speeds
Surely the government should imvest in putting the power lines in shared trenches and decrease damage to electrical infrastructure. Ireland does have the resources to be able to do this. The question is, will the government seriously consider this solution?
Why do people think they do not need maintenance when under ground. The same state that does not maintain above ground infrastructure will do the same thing no matter where the cables are.
@@Art-is-craft My sister lives in switzerland for the last 30 years and never had a power cut apart from scheduled maintaenance where customers are informed and usually lasts only 2 hours
i have a brazilian migrant outside on a bike with a large dynamo on it peddling all day
nice and cosy all day
This is what you get when you vote for FF and FG folks and they go off on 2 weeks holidays while everybody suffers
Calm down will ye our gov will be back in two weeks and didnt ye hear Dublins getting a new Metro look on the bright side, the upper class are happy 😂
The metro 300 million in consultation 30 years in the making and opening date 2035 😂
😂😂😂😂 whata joke.😂😂😂
This was a once in 100 year storm with widespread damage across the entire country. The ESB have approx 3,000 employees of which a number of these are in HR, Finance, customer service, marketing (so not out repairing fallen lines etc.). With the level of damage across the country how do people expect the ESB to have their power back almost the next day. Its physically impossible for that number of employees to get through the volume of work.I live in the country myself and I empathise with those who are without power but unfortunately that is the price you pay for living in the country. If you live in a rural area with few inhabitants then the ESB will rightly prioritise reconnecting other higher population areas before yours. Move to a town/city if in future you want a higher probability of being reconnected quicker. Hard to have it both ways.
Simple solution, put supply underground.
Yeah better still move to a future 15 min city. Do you know there's a study found out cities turn people into psychopaths. I am not joking. Cities are toxic unnatural environments. By the way do people understand the American military is ON record for saying they'll own the weather by 2025 and Tennessee was one of the first states to pass laws against weather manipulation. People are so gullible and moronic these days and don't dig for what's going on.
@bergannon6585 I'm no expert but a project like that involving putting every ESB line in the country underground would cost 10's of billions of euros and be an administrative nightmare. This is totally unfeasible in my opinion given the infrequent nature of these storms. I would much rather that money be spent on new hospitals, schools, public nursing homes, creche, disability services etc. Private homeowners like myself living in the country are free to retrofit private generators and changeover switches in their houses if they wish to have power when network is down. Given cost however I don't see too many people doing this. They'll just complain ESB are not working fast enough instead.
@@johnnyryan8995
That storm was not a once in a 100 year event. That is just a media slogan. That was a normal once a decade storm it had unique conditions but every large storm has those. Do you not remember the storms before Christmas.
@Art-is-craft Mean wind speeds of 135km/h were recorded and gusts of 183km/h. Previous record from 1945 was mean wind speeds of 131km/h and gusts of 182km/h. This is actual Met Eireann data nothing to do with media. Apologies my 100 year statement above was perhaps abit flippant it was actually the worse storm in 80 years. Rural electrification in Ireland began in 1946 and was only concluded in the 1970's so back in 1945 there were no power lines to actually knock. Hence less damage back then.
Storm Darragh before Christmas had top gusts of 140km/h and mean wind speed of 111km/h
Stop the whinging…nearly every road in Ireland has two distinct features, power lines and mature, ash trees far gone with dieback and covered in ivy. What do you think will happen when the wind blows ? Stop yer whinging and accept your responsibilities…remove the trees before they fall on the power lines. In theory the landowner is responsible but as usual they are waiting for a grant or some other government help.
It would not be an issue if land owners and councils worked together but regulations mean land owners cannot just cut a tree on a road.
@@Art-is-craft I had nine or ten trees a potential hazard to power lines so I removed them. My neighbour said” you will get into trouble”. I didn’t… I called the Co Co Enviro and she said “what else would you do”. She also said be careful doing it because if you damage the power lines while removing trees the ESB will charge you the full cost of the repair. She also said why didn’t you make your concerns known to the ESB. I didn’t, they said we might be able to bet to you in about three years. What regulations ?
Powelines don’t generally run alongside roads, those are telephone lines. Power lines generally run through the fields.
@@walterbrowning
Land owners cannot just cut trees that are on a road. Hedges are one thing but free standing trees that have felling risk on public access cannot be cut just as a ditch cannot be levelled or water ways interfered with. Light maintainable growth is one thing cutting down a a 20 foot tall tree is another thing entirely. The busier a road is the more risk it presents. But you also must see all the road side trees out there.
@@davidpryle3935 open yer eyes David and your mind if you can…my comments reflected, generally , my own experience and referred to any situation where power lines were within reach of falling trees. Did you not see the endless news reports of fallen trees and power lines ALL of them on roads.
That's terrible
Man made storm . Planes fumigating everyday