Steve Coogan on Piers Morgan, phone hacking, Thatcher and Starmer
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- Опубликовано: 4 фев 2025
- Few public figures have thought longer or harder about the role of the media than Steve Coogan. He lead the charge against the press barons during the Leveson inquiry, and has just starred as Brian Walden, the father of the modern British political interview - documenting Walden's complex relationship with Margaret Thatcher in the new C4 two-part show 'Brian and Maggie'.
He sat down with Emily to discuss phone hacking, press freedom, toxic masculinity, Thatcher's legacy, and his verdict on Keir Starmer's Britain.
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Piers morgan should be in jail.
Trouble is he still wouldn't shut up.
And never let out.
Absolutely agree.
After a free and fair trial... And for a long time if found guilty.
Completely agree with everything!
And on that bombshell...great interview, thanks. I love Steve's non-partisan right/left stance and simply holding to views that most of us find morally agreeable. We all just want to be empowered to do and be our best.
Very well said
I think perjury is the key. They've willingly lied in court - up to 7 years in jail.
Illustration of public figures working above the law
Try getting away with that as an ordinary person 😮
A silly bird giving a bloke a fake alibi for example. I think we know what would happen to her.
@AH-sr5px A tad American perhaps,but your comment made me think ah the 'OJ Simpson' effect.
Love Steve he is the man we need people like him speaking out🎉❤❤
Total Legend ❤❤❤
Lord Leveson said of Morgan “What it does, however, clearly prove is that he was aware that it was taking place in the press as a whole and that he was sufficiently unembarrassed by what was criminal behaviour that he was prepared to joke about it."
Great interview, if the people in power are not held to account and do not get jail time, there is no law, there is just corruption
Maitlis has no real interest in that. Coogan clearly does but is powerless
They thought they were getting Steve Coogan, but it looks like Alan Partridge showed up.
@@Banana_Pancakes85 Alan Partridge would side with the powerful.
@@ephre Alan Partridge would also say that the way to solve toxic masculinity is to punch someone. This is exactly what Partridge said to Emily Maitlis in this interview after he felt emasculated because she said he behaves like a Lib Dem. His ego got the better of him and Maitlis looked shocked by his response 😆
She’s so partisan. She’s no journalist, she’s an opinion based mouthpiece. Where was she when the real questions needed to be asked of people she supported in power. ?
Thank you for this interview Emily.
Yes, Emily, do interview your bestie: Huw Edwards!!
Great interview, Steve Coogan expresses eloquently how I hope so many of us think of politics, the media and accountability, of the past, in the present and for the future.
Morgan & Brook's careers should have been over years ago, and they should've face prosecution for the hacking scandal.
Look deeper at for example The Sun Editor KM links to Tory government and others like him.
Morgan & Brooks were spare with their crime because of their connection with the British monarchy.The International law should be involve and ask Charles and William in the witness stand.They are in cahoots with the Murdoch organization to preserve the fake image of respectability at the expense of smearing other members of their own family.
The government who allowed Murdoch bear some responsibility - too much power in few hands
What a well informed and intelligent take , well done Steve Coogan
Thanks to you both for a fascinating interview/discussion. Had Never thought of coogan as so informed and articulate, so a welcome revelation (apologies to the man, and my bad).
Walden was an amazing interviewer. The Weekend World was fantastic, back in the days when the media actually helpd politcians to account.
I will never forget him.
Maitlis was the antithesis of Walden when she was on Newsnight. She interrupted all the time. We never learned anything useful because of the gotcha questions. Politicians clammed up. That is the beauty of Joe Rogan.
@@waterboys3001 She interrupted because they weren't giving straight answers and you weren't learning anything anyway. The beauty of Joe Rogan???? 🤡
I wemembew Bwian Wawden on Weekend Woowd.
Walden was an excellent interviewer. However, he helped write a speech for Thatcher just before the 1983 election, crossing a line as a journalist. Wholly unacceptable although in keeping with his admiration for Thatcherism and position on the right of Labour when he was an MP previously. He said himself at some point that he was never a socialist. Thatcher misjudged how competitive he was; when the famous interview of October 1989 took place he had determined that, notwithstanding their friendship and his support for her ideology, there could only be one winner. His reputation depended on it in the face of criticism that he was politically compromised.
Steve is absolutely right about the liability of the publisher with regard to the use of Private investigators- they will be liable, see the related Hugh Grant case, in May 23. Great interview
Thank you both
Excellent interview of a thoughtful and thought provoking bloke. Thank you Steve and Emily.
I wish Steve Coogan well ,he is admirable
What a legend
Excellent discussion from end to end .
Throw Morgan in prison
I think Teflon Piers has gotten away with far too much for. Far too long
And non too gently !
Steve is a grand lad.
Brilliant interview from both sides
What a powerhouse: Emily and Steve.
Top bloke. Interesting interview with two people I very much respect.
Emily was a BBC stooge for all her career until she left?
Love listening to Steve, he's a measured voice in a world of hysteria
Steve Coogan is a national treasure. Whilst I don’t dig all his political views, there is no denying how articulate , considered , and insightful his points of views are. The ace up his sleeve is his funny bone, he can switch between heavy political discourse to comedy in a heartbeat. It was a pleasure to be in his company that time (few years back, he won’t remember me) and thanks for sharing this debate.
Have always been a Steve Coogan fan and whilst politically we may differ I feel even more of a fan! What a thoughtful and frank discussion. Well done
Coogan in "Dr Strangelove" was brilliant on the stage.
Why on earth are these people not being held to account. What more will it take!
If the late Robert Maxwell was working for Mossad and the CIA, who is someone like Murdoch working for? These publishers played a part in destroying people the establishment wanted bringing down, so they’re likely protected by the same nefarious forces.
The mood has turned _rather_ sour
Masterfully spoken. Everything but nothing all at once. What do we do?
Modern Britain. Steaks in plastic security boxes in the Co-op and food banks in town. What have we become.
So sad. And leaving the eu was awful.
Morgan will always be an Odious individual
all an act - and he thrives on it
Especially for pushing the lockdowns…
Fond memories of WEEKEND WORLD when terrestrial television (before Satellite Television SKY) was a plethora of current affairs programmes
The myth of democracy in this country is wearing very thin.
I am thoroughly backing The News Agents audience to come up with some fantastic HSBC-related questions for the live shows.
excellent interview by Emily Maitlis... i could watch 4 hours of this stuff
I love Coogan even more now.
Comedians spitting truths. Clowns spreading untruths.
Brilliant interview. Excellent point about accountability, Emily..
Excellent interview.
Merci pour cette interview, effectivement c'est dépriment.
C'est vrai....
Journalists should be embarrassed, Morgan was the best interviewer of politicians through covid, and other things, and he's a phone hacking liar who should be in jail
This is not on journalists... The vast majority are honest and don't use criminal means to get their stories. This is on power-driven egotists like Morgan, Murdoch, Brooks et al
When you find you are taking comedians more seriously than politicians, you know something isn't quite right.
Haven't comedians, going back to court jesters, always been the truth tellers?
Absolutely love Steve. Why isn’t Morgan in prison.
We need someone like Steve Coogan as Primeminister respect
Ye, righto...😂😂😂
Well said Steve. Why are the masses so addicted gossip and ignorance?
Steve being scrupulously even-handed here, about Thatcher, even about Trump. Very impressive interview.
Lib Dem about them😂 as Matlis would say....sitting on the fence.
He'll yeah the police should investigate...obviously!
great interview. Perhaps a class action lawsuit might be in order, Presumably the private investigators were reliable sources for many different stories and as there have already been pay outs, it may be there was a lot in common,
Great conversation with some great insights. I think the comment about Jordan Petersen (and others) is very prescient. To be a contrarian (or an outsider as per the earlier conversation on politicians) is entertaining both to the individual and to the public. Someone like Starmer is 'boring' because he doesn't go round making contrarian statements. And, of course, social media is full of contrarians trying to ruin people's reputations or dominate the public conversation. It paints a sad picture of the current state of affairs. It's rather like life imitating art. We're not satisfied with life unless it has the same level of conflict of our favourite crime drama. Otherwise, it's boring. Do people really regard progress, harmony, peace as too boring to endure but would rather live in a world full of hatred and danger because it's entertaining?
You have kind of missed the point, which is that of *_retaining attention,_* in general, and by so doing overcoming resistance to covert activities already being committed. Its an ongoing hybrid war.
@@tonyduncan9852 - That's another point about phone hacking not about our attitude towards politicians but that's another conversation.
Completely agree with your contrarian as outsider point, which I had thought myself as I was listening to the discussion. In a woke world (so called, still miles to go to be truly) being right wing/toxic male/non establishment is to be the outsider and is worn as a badge of pride rather than shame for the damage it does to all, including the badge wearer.
@drdavid1963 In order to enter politics in Britain, the first things to be lost are one's principles. Whatever the party, it's its first requirement that one relinquishes them. From experience.
@@tonyduncan9852 Britain is indeed a broken country.
How editors or senior management were not aware of phone hacking/private investigators is beyond belief.
yeah i distinctly remember Brian Walden because my Dad used to watch "Weekend world" on ITV on a Sunday. Mean theme tune ;)
I knew I was depressed, Steve explained the reason why on that bombshell. Articulate and on point in all these issues
Always make time to listen to Coogans views
I hope Piers Morgan goes down for his lies…that would be sweet.
We both sat together watching this at home in complete disbelief at the continual persistence Steve Coogan displayed in terms of using multiple words when a couple would have done nicely. So much uttered but so little actually said. We loved how Emily’s comment about his appearance at the outset called out what showed to us as a character portrayal. Such pretension and cringing attempts to sound informed and intellectual throughout. Her body language was fascinating. He simply ran out of words at the end.
Thanks for posting
Fascinating interview!
Brave and thoughtful stuff from Coogan
Well said Bernard!👏👏👏
Piers should be in jail!
Absolutely yes and Levison 2 what happened
His autiobiography is required reading. I also am very worried and believe that our politics' views are very similar. I'm a lifelong Labour voter who ocasionally votes Lib Dim or Greens; depending on what is happening where I live. RR's increase on NIC when business needs support is a worry. The obsession with 'fraud' benefit of the unemployed when it's ok if you are big business is even more of a worry. It's not a party which used to demonise the poor but now I feel that way. I will be very happy when the trains are public. That was Jeremy Corbyn's idea. I really wanted single market access to EU and at least back in the EU. We lost our biggest trading partner becuase of ignorance and soverignty (irony is we don't have any control now). I'm quite sad as UK citizen this week but even sadder for my American friends.
I believe Stephen Fry tells about how Piers Morgan taught him how to hack a phone
That was Jeremy Paxman. Stephen was the one who came up with the best joke about Piers, "what is the definition of countryside, murdering Piers Morgan".
I wish you'd given him a more comfortable chair. The poor man looked as if he was in pain.
Full of wind 🤷♀️
Oh how I would love to see Coogan debate Peterson .. or punch Tate.
Great interview.
100% Murdock , Piers and Brooks. For , The Old Bailey If the UK believes in Justice and Accountability !
If.....
But we know Britain is not interested in justice and accountability.
Not for the wealthy they dont.
Little man is a different story.
Class exists.
SHOUT ABOUT IT.
My favourite Brian Walden interview was the one he made with Ian Paisley one Sunday long ago.
Paisley's view on the legitimacy of the British Crown is jaw dropping to this day!
piers and Rebekah's barristers are working 24/7. 😂
The reason is, the on ground work initiatives don't work is they have had funding removed by Cameron, for an untried and unqualified initiative that he rolled out nationally; simply on the basis of a meeting at a 10 downing street reception. Even though the ground level local initiatives worked and were very successful for years
Coogan was great in his support for Corbyn. Emily smeared him. Hope this is covered
Great Interview.
Lovely stuff!
If Steve Coogan wants to go after Brooks, Morgan and others, he should do it through crowd funding.
I’d be the first to contribute, and many others would too; but critically, Murdoch can’t intimidate thousands of relatively small donors.
It's fortunate that this fragile society we are compelled to partake in has, however tenuous, a platform where humanitarians can give their feelings/opinions, however tenuous an outing.
Piers has NPD which is why he and trump have similar traits.
this is a brilliant interview. Its a shame that the microphones don't even nearly match the quality of the ones used in Joe Rogan's type of podcasts -it sounds thin and doesnt feel warm.. . makes the production sound less polished
This breaks my heart to think of Morgan behind bars. 😂😂😂😂
Weren't the police involved, they were on the payroll as well, not all of them of course, but there were some corrupt cops helping the private investigaters.....?
Career and police image preservation and don’t forget Freemason influence
These ex cops who did this hacking for Murdoch were working for the private investigation company who murdered Danial Morgan and also framed an innocent woman on drug charges, all the cops running the investigation company were jailed over this nursery teacher, Dave Courtney was charged along with these cops, did these same murderous minded cops also hack Jill Dando ? And then knew she would be at home that day I ask ?
I always assumed that Alan Partridge was a character but he's actually Coogan playing himself
Great vid
Either Morgan knew, or he's the most incompetent person to ever be employed as a journalist.
Everyone knows Morgan was at the head of the phone hacking, and at some point someone will come clean and spill the beans on him.
Coogan has never opened his mouth once about the Pakistani grooming gangs
Because it is a product of the deceitful echo chamber you are trapped in 😂😂😂
@@LavenderJergensCowardice is no excuse for ignorance
Why tf is this ridiculous law still standing! Cowards…..
I suppose you can't hold people to account because the person has hundreds of pod casters, youtubers to go to.In the past you had 3 or 4 channels. Now you have hundreds and they can pick and choose who to go to. Thats it in a nutshell. great show.
A full investigation required. Private prosecution obvious.
Respectible gillet
If its against the law then what are the police for? Wake up...
“If the police don’t act against these people who are guilty of criminal wrongdoing, then they’ll face private prosecutions,” say Mr Coogan at the start of this video. My question is: Do you mean the wrongdoers or the police should face these prosecutions?
Personally, I think both should be held accountable. And if it is left to private action to get any form of justice, our police are broken and should be dismissed as unfit for purpose, and replaced by officers willing to uphold the laws of the land.
After all, where did the press get all their tip offs from if not the police? We’ve known for some time that the Met is corrupted to the roots. Is there no PM with the courage to disband and replace their leadership, if not the entire institution?
Leveson 2 now!
Imagine Coogan doing this interview in his Alan Partridge persona. Hilarity guaranteed.
Couldn’t possibly be a case of a two tier system???
I cant help but think about Amy Winehouse, she was trying to sort her life out with professional help and was chased out of a rehabilitation clinic by paparazzi, how did they know where she was, the disappointment in society was too much for her, is their culpability in her passing ? An investigation into this should be forth coming.
Love Coogan ♥️
Best interview since Gary Wilmot's wedding
The Law itself is biased toward media moguls like Murdoch because they put the victim in a dilemma. In settlement discussions the tabloid proprietor would offer far more than would nominally be given by the court as damages. Yet in a disgraceful bias; should the victim refuse and want a official/ custodial decision the court would, even with a guilty verdict; still instruct that the victim pay both sets of legal fees. So creating an overwhelming disincentive to reforming the law and the media for the better. This law needs to change.
Coogan is right. The plausible deniability is little different to the activities of the Wagner Group…