First--One needs a "Jon --E" brand original hand warmer. This thing is AMAZING. I grew up in Phoenix and knew NOTHING about keeping warm...when I got my hand warmer at Goodwill--I didnt even know what it was but for 2 bucks, I'll take it. It looked cool..like a gigantic Zippo lighter. This Jon E is so reliable and easy to use. It will last 8-12 hours...and you can make it get rwally hot or cooler, by how much air you let into the jacket pocket, I'll keep it in. I had to work outside in the winter, doing TIRES,in artic--type weather, in the mountains of Washington State...up by the pass....and you dont even need gloves when you have one of these....you can just rotate a hand, grab the warmer and put your hand in your pocket for a sec....swear by these things!
Thank you so much for your very in-depth videos. Where can I find your rebuild kits with springs, fuel and all for the Zippo? Thank you in advance for your time in this matter.
My apologies Jason, I normally place a link to the order form at the bottom of the description. However, it looks like I forgot this time. Here is a link to it: forms.gle/MSdEjDxDv5DFvttj6
Those also seemed to suffer the fate of being discontinued during the pandemic and I cold not source them anymore, so I removed them from the order form. However, I seem to recall a saw a few of them lingering with old stock when I was looking for some S-Boston repair parts the other day. I'll have another look and if I find them, I'll stick them on the order form and update here. In the meantime the Red Star at 3.5"x2-1/4"x3/4" is the most compact that we have.
We purchase large industrial quantities of catalyst material from an ISO certified catalyst manufacturing plant located in the USA, usually once a year. They do not sell retail quantities of catalyst. We do not have 'coils', all our catalyst is in sheets of platinum precipitated onto safil substrate material (not asbestos as sometimes assumed). More details on the substrate and the platinum catalyst material is often mentioned in the videos.
Not sure what you mean by "pads"? If you mean replacement catalyst, we have an order form (Canadian Tire does not sell catalyst last time I checked). The order form is here: forms.gle/y9bjCkWqeCjwm3k69
In my opinion, it is a factor because the weight translates to thermal mass. Thermal mass acts as a "buffer," preventing temperature spikes that might deactivate the catalyst due to cold shocking the handwarmer, or overheating - causing thermal stress. High thermal gradients or fluctuations can degrade the the active catalytic material (ideally that is platinum, although I doubt that the OEM Zippo's actually contain any platinum catalyst and instead rely on metals such as palladium, etc.). Thermal mass minimizes these stresses, extending the lifespan of the catalyst.
@@slicktmi Short answer, methanol will not work. Long answer, the catalyst itself cannot alter the chemical process into which it has been introduced. Instead, it makes that process faster. The speeding up of a chemical process is what causes heat. Methanol is a by-product of the exothermic reaction, it is an aldehyde that produces formaldehyde. You need a hydrocarbon such as benzine that is in the evaporate of naphtha to initiate the exothermic reaction. I have addressed the question of safety and discussed the by-products of hand warmers and the use of liquid fuel in hand warmers in greater detail in order to put them into perspective in one of the shorts in the Handwarmers playlist (ruclips.net/video/B-_AGKWEaPQ/видео.html), and in the FAQ on our website (mparam.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/handwarmerfaq.html). Some of the larger catalytic heaters that use a ceramic substrate use propane as their fuel source. Their by-products end up being very similar to those of liquid fuel hand warmers (EG: C3H6+5O2→3CO2+4H2O). Carbon monoxide is a result of incomplete combustion, therefore it's not considered to be produced in large enough amounts to be of concern in when used in a liquid fuel handwarmer. As I recommended in the FAQ withal, I would not recommend that you keep your pet hamster in your pocket with your hand warmer on a cold winter's day. A leash works best when taking 'Hammy' for a walk. My only friend, I used to take him skiing but never found him again after he got buried in an avalanche. To this day, SWHMBO has not forgiven me, but she won't let me get a dog.
@Mountain Parameters awsome thank you you're very smart my friend. And reason i ask is because i hear of ppl running methanol/ heet in their warmers i also tried it and it worked good but i also heard it creates formaldehyde like you said i just get concerned with the fumes being in and out of my vehicle inclosed if there was any long term effects
@@slicktmi For folks that use Heet, or any of the other generic gas line anti freeze products, it's probably a good idea to make sure to use the stuff that does not have the additives such as injector cleaners, etc. (EG: Heet in the yellow bottle is the one you want, not the red bottle). Formaldehyde occurs naturally in the environment all around us. It's the concentrations that are key. Again, this is covered in greater detail in the FAQ that I reference above and would be a good read to address your concerns better.
I watched a video on how you could shut it off by sticking it in a zip lock bag to cut off oxygen. Wow, what a total garbage product that they didn't include a metal cap with a high temperature o-ring to seal off the catalyst from oxygen.
First--One needs a "Jon --E" brand original hand warmer. This thing is AMAZING. I grew up in Phoenix and knew NOTHING about keeping warm...when I got my hand warmer at Goodwill--I didnt even know what it was but for 2 bucks, I'll take it. It looked cool..like a gigantic Zippo lighter. This Jon E is so reliable and easy to use. It will last 8-12 hours...and you can make it get rwally hot or cooler, by how much air you let into the jacket pocket, I'll keep it in. I had to work outside in the winter, doing TIRES,in artic--type weather, in the mountains of Washington State...up by the pass....and you dont even need gloves when you have one of these....you can just rotate a hand, grab the warmer and put your hand in your pocket for a sec....swear by these things!
Oh, love your videos on handwarmers ! Please make more !
fantastic educational video and so much cool knowledge in the comments. thanks for uploading this!
my zippo lasts more than 12 hours when it is about 3/4 full, cannot fault it, its great
Thank you so much for your very in-depth videos. Where can I find your rebuild kits with springs, fuel and all for the Zippo? Thank you in advance for your time in this matter.
My apologies Jason, I normally place a link to the order form at the bottom of the description. However, it looks like I forgot this time. Here is a link to it:
forms.gle/MSdEjDxDv5DFvttj6
Obviously it's a generic chinese one, but what search terms did you use to find that tiny blue one? I'd love a couple of those!
Those also seemed to suffer the fate of being discontinued during the pandemic and I cold not source them anymore, so I removed them from the order form. However, I seem to recall a saw a few of them lingering with old stock when I was looking for some S-Boston repair parts the other day. I'll have another look and if I find them, I'll stick them on the order form and update here. In the meantime the Red Star at 3.5"x2-1/4"x3/4" is the most compact that we have.
I'm really curious where you source replacement catalyst coils for rhe Chinese warmers!
We purchase large industrial quantities of catalyst material from an ISO certified catalyst manufacturing plant located in the USA, usually once a year. They do not sell retail quantities of catalyst. We do not have 'coils', all our catalyst is in sheets of platinum precipitated onto safil substrate material (not asbestos as sometimes assumed). More details on the substrate and the platinum catalyst material is often mentioned in the videos.
Back in the day the ones that
Worked best were the " Joe-nee" handwarmers. What
Happened that brand?
The 'Jon-e' is still a popular brand
I just can't find the pads anywhere, I must not have the correct search term. Canadian Tire?
Not sure what you mean by "pads"? If you mean replacement catalyst, we have an order form (Canadian Tire does not sell catalyst last time I checked). The order form is here: forms.gle/y9bjCkWqeCjwm3k69
so it work better because it's heavier? ☺️
In my opinion, it is a factor because the weight translates to thermal mass. Thermal mass acts as a "buffer," preventing temperature spikes that might deactivate the catalyst due to cold shocking the handwarmer, or overheating - causing thermal stress. High thermal gradients or fluctuations can degrade the the active catalytic material (ideally that is platinum, although I doubt that the OEM Zippo's actually contain any platinum catalyst and instead rely on metals such as palladium, etc.). Thermal mass minimizes these stresses, extending the lifespan of the catalyst.
@MountainParameters Interesting 😎 Thank you. ☺️
What kinda fumes does this exothermic reaction produce?
methyl formate and formic acid. Consecutive reactions of these products then form methanol, CO, and CO2
@@MountainParameters would methanol be a cleaner fuel alternative? What by products would that produce with catalyst? Thank you for the reply 🙂
@@slicktmi Short answer, methanol will not work. Long answer, the catalyst itself cannot alter the chemical process into which it has been introduced. Instead, it makes that process faster. The speeding up of a chemical process is what causes heat. Methanol is a by-product of the exothermic reaction, it is an aldehyde that produces formaldehyde. You need a hydrocarbon such as benzine that is in the evaporate of naphtha to initiate the exothermic reaction. I have addressed the question of safety and discussed the by-products of hand warmers and the use of liquid fuel in hand warmers in greater detail in order to put them into perspective in one of the shorts in the Handwarmers playlist (ruclips.net/video/B-_AGKWEaPQ/видео.html), and in the FAQ on our website (mparam.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/handwarmerfaq.html). Some of the larger catalytic heaters that use a ceramic substrate use propane as their fuel source. Their by-products end up being very similar to those of liquid fuel hand warmers (EG: C3H6+5O2→3CO2+4H2O). Carbon monoxide is a result of incomplete combustion, therefore it's not considered to be produced in large enough amounts to be of concern in when used in a liquid fuel handwarmer. As I recommended in the FAQ withal, I would not recommend that you keep your pet hamster in your pocket with your hand warmer on a cold winter's day. A leash works best when taking 'Hammy' for a walk. My only friend, I used to take him skiing but never found him again after he got buried in an avalanche. To this day, SWHMBO has not forgiven me, but she won't let me get a dog.
@Mountain Parameters awsome thank you you're very smart my friend. And reason i ask is because i hear of ppl running methanol/ heet in their warmers i also tried it and it worked good but i also heard it creates formaldehyde like you said i just get concerned with the fumes being in and out of my vehicle inclosed if there was any long term effects
@@slicktmi For folks that use Heet, or any of the other generic gas line anti freeze products, it's probably a good idea to make sure to use the stuff that does not have the additives such as injector cleaners, etc. (EG: Heet in the yellow bottle is the one you want, not the red bottle). Formaldehyde occurs naturally in the environment all around us. It's the concentrations that are key. Again, this is covered in greater detail in the FAQ that I reference above and would be a good read to address your concerns better.
I watched a video on how you could shut it off by sticking it in a zip lock bag to cut off oxygen. Wow, what a total garbage product that they didn't include a metal cap with a high temperature o-ring to seal off the catalyst from oxygen.
The S-Boston was the only one I knew of that had that feature. Sadly it is no longer made.