Ngl discord replying with the most legal way to say "fuck off, we all hate you, just shut the up and grow a pair" is one of the coolest shit Ive ever seen
Imagine Discord getting so tired with Nexon's bullshit that they end up implementing end to end encryption in DMs just to give them a middle finger... one can dream tho... one can dream...
Funny you mention that; Discord's actually implementing end to end encryption for VCs really soon, so that dream might not be too far off from reality.
@@lukek8522 I have nothing to hide, and I still don't want corpos reading my messages. Even public ones. They have enough of my data, it'd be just plain creepy for them to know the name, age, type and so on of my pets, let alone having the same kind of data about people's *kids*. I shouldn't have to live a paranoid, censored life to keep every corporate and government entity from knowing my whole life, they should have to work to find a single scrap of info I didn't give them.
deleting a message only hides it. But it still exists in discord's servers. Proof? Click on a deleted message link, it will redirect you to a place that the message was before.@@dinowars0078
There was a bungie lawsuit against someone who abused the RUclips copyright system to file 96 strikes, on bungie themselves too. That legal document was straight fire. This is even better
@@kanizfatemaliza9482Valve would definitely not try to imprison its fanbase. They're not publicly traded, and don't have short-term financial success as their sole motivator.
This is the greatest argument for true end-to-end encryption in DMs and even channels. I mean no BS, no NSA backdoor, just pure cryptographic security. That way these situations wouldn't even arise in the first place, because there is not a single corporation or government on the face of this planet powerful or rich enough to break the fundamental laws of mathematics.
As shown by Signal, as I saw several videos of "Mental Outlaw" how he read through subpoenas to Signal and Signal's responses, where some court required them to produce all information they have about some users identified by their mobile number and they only thing they got back is when they signed up (in a UNIX timestamp), when they last logged in (also UNIX timestamp) and their mobile number that the court already has XD
There are plugins for Vencord and BD that allow you to do this, but I agree with you. Not everyone has Vencord, and not everyone can bother decrypting every single message.
Nexon has a patent in South Korea for a "dynamic gacha system" which involves the algorithm working behind the scenes in these gacha games to take into account various things like player retainability, their average screen time etc etc basically it's a system which will lower the rates/rig lootboxes for people who spend more time in the game thereby making them pay more than people who spend less time in game and much more along those lines
Patents on algorithms are effectively unenforceable (because you can almost always make a legally different algorithm that does the same thing) , so they made a mistake there.
Their micro-transactions aren't even just loot boxes, but also TEMPORARY COSMETICS. You literally rent them for one month at a time. It's been this way since the opening decade of the games, too.
Holy shit this company was more evil than I thought.. Maple Story is like from 2003 and this company treats private servers as a criminal act ON A FREE 2 PLAY GAME I hope this evil company goes bankrupt
Nexon is literally too big to fail. I'm shocked how few people here seem to know about them. They are genuinely one of the most heinous companies I've ever had the displeasure of dealing with in any way shape or form and the world would be a better place if all of its executives went... *mysteriously missing.*
@@Starfloofle so true. they would probably never go under considering; maple story, blue archive and it seems like the first descendant is going decently too. That 200+ billion dollars is nothing to scoff at.
Im actually rooting for discord to win this case, becaue if not, then private dms arent private anymore Also the original title of the video was "Discord Is Defending Piracy, For Your Privacy?"
For once i am actually rooting for Discord to win a legal case, usually their incompetent moderation, ridiculously bad service and all that makes me hope that everything goes horribly wrong for them. But for the first time ever, i am rooting for Discord's success, man have the tables turned.
discord's pr team is definitely full of meatheads but you can tell there's good souls that wanna improve the company and platform. weeding out these legally inept companies is one way of doing so.
i think this is gonna turn out to be the funniest streisand effect ever. i didnt know there were maplestory private servers prior to finding out about this, but now that i do i want to play them more than i want to play actual maplestory.
Reminder to yall that playing on a private server for a game is not piracy. Most often you need to own the game first in order to mod them to connect to 3rd party servers.
IMO its a grey area. Playing on one is fine, but it's the hosting of private servers that could be the issue since, legally speaking, you would be directly competing for the same playerbase with "stolen" assets.
Unlesssss... You sail in the seven seas !🏴☠ In which it' s completely free and when using appropriate tools hard or even impossibnle to track u back, stupid to say you are almost safer pirating it than buying it..
Actually, I think it's still pirating as you need aquire the server code which iirc can be copyrighted. Though usually only the source code is. But no matter how you twist or turn it, it's still bonkers to send someone to prison for it.
@@Keventor It's pretty complicated depending on the case but usually: 1. If the server-side software is leaked, using that is considered copyright infringement, as is the case with the leaked Ragnarok Online's AEGIS. 2. If the servers is ran with emulators, which are server-side softwares that are custom-made to mimic the behavior of the server-side software, they usually aren't considered copyright infringement unless in extreme cases. However, if these private servers distributes the client that is required to connect to their servers, it's considered copyright infringement as the client contains copyrighted material. 3. If the owners somehow manage to run their servers with emulators and you don't distribute the client themselves then most likely they'll be fine, as is the case with most WoW servers. Those server runs on an emulator and the owners often point the players to a place where they can download the compatible client version off of a website that distributes them for archival purposes. These mostly get legally taken down in very serious cases like Nostalrius.
Nexon and Maplestory by proxy, is a very dystopian nightmare. As a long term player (of over 19 years), this company has not only spat on its players, but also took a giant steaming dump on us while claiming that they’ve “heard us” and our complaints. The lootbox rigging is a lot worse than it sounds because in order for players to achieve certain end game bosses, they require a high level of stat (for example, they’ll require attack and boss damage). Not only do the players have to use the loot box to reach the highest tier for the item (the highest tier is legendary, you start off at rare then go to epic, unique and legendary), you also have to roll for the freaking lines (which is the attack and boss damage lines) What’s worse is that certain line combinations were previously impossible to obtain (such as triple boss damage and triple ignore enemy defense) and it was NEVER stated at all to the players, causing players to spend ludicrous amounts of money chasing for those lines That’s not even to say the tier up rates of the cubes are absurdly low and the only reason we found out about it was because Korea has strict gacha guidelines and audits that unveiled this. In Singapore, the Maplestory team not did not reveal the tier up rates to us, they also did not provide the same compensation to us as our Korean counterparts. Not only that, they destroyed our economy by not dealing with players who bot in the game (high level players mind you) while giving us the restriction that the Korean players have with none of the benefit that they got. (I.e in game currency loot boxes) This company has consistently made it difficult for players to progress and even made it extremely clear that they do not give a steaming flying fk about their player
@@mochagotcha there 100% are and your just too used to playing it and it’s clouded that judgement. We have to hold companies accountable instead of pretending. If you shame them online and then turn around and give them 15 bucks or contribute to player counts then your not doing anything but helping them
Imagine trying to put people in PRISON for playing a private server or modding a FREE GAME. ITS FUCKING FREE. And this is supposed to be a billion dollar company. Use your money for better purposes, not trying to jail people who are genuinely just trying to enjoy YOUR GAME.
yeah, i know a company that its fans supported it after if took down a fangame, even the creator of the game acted like a corporate meatrider. also the company just bans modding and fangames for some reason idk
although i am not part of the legal system, it is my judgement that all messaging platforms that operate in the United States should be compelled to operate under the same standards at the united states postal service, as it is highly illegal to intentionally interfere with the transportation of communication. it is also my judgement that a company proven in a court of law to be corrupt should be banned from any act that would create the law of the future you can quote me on this provided the quote is accurate and complete
@@thewhitefalcon8539 Roblox also isn't a game platform but everyone uses it like a game platform anyway it's not a game platform, it's a gambling platform
@@origin4659 Nah, Pokemon devs are just atrociously rushed, and the upper brass’s staunch refusal to hire more people until recently was stupid as shit. They seem to be trying to find a better way, though. Which is more than I can say for Nexon.
Remember that whilst this talk of piracy being a cornerstone of global culture and economy is going on The Internet Archive is under constant DDOS and isn't operating right now meaning that the largest single source of way back machinery and legitimate torrents is effectively offline
Required "erm akshually": Piracy is actually a violation of copyright law. You don't own the game, you own a license to play the game, which is why EULAs exist. Distributing copies that you made is a violation of the license.
Reminds me that Nexon is in another lawsuit against a company called IronMace for a game they made. Nexon isn't only just a greedy company, they are a ruthless company. If you even work there and leave the company, you suffer the consequences.
That one isn't that simple, Nexon is suing IronMace, because they are alleging that, the person that left, developed the game at Nexon, then left and took the game with him and released it under IronMace. This is a very short explanation of what happened, so doesn't have most of the details, but overall it seems Nexon is likely in the right in this specific case.
@@Raigekon The thing is, I don't believe that's what ultimately happened. All he was is some dev, but Nexon is trying to claim that they stole the source code or smth.
daziunda seems to literally be just one idiot, they also went crazy dmca'ing youtube and twitch of people streaming old school content because of suspected private servers
Honestly, I would tell discord to tell the government " eh hem until child predators don't exist anywhere we will only be upholding laws that bring predators to justice. We don't care about anything else. If you attempt to use the legal system against us, you will be outed as a child predator, because no one who cares about kids would be taking our time away from that"
This should be illegal... Nexon I mean. Like how tf can you just go around putting people in jail for something so nothing. Especially after RIGGING the game lotteries. Like wtf.
@@orlagskapten9829Unfortunately lobbying is a thing and companies pay tons of money to politicians to get them to pass laws in their favor, even if it hurts the average citizen.
That Chase History server was from a game called Grand Chase, its purpose was to fulfil the hole after the original Grand Chase went over (Long Live the Chase), so Grand Chase History was one of the biggest and greatest servers available back then, it contained custom maps, dungeons, RAIDs, everything to keep the game alive, I played before, but after getting end-game I uninstalled it, only knowing of a friend it has reached its end after Grand Chase entered Steam. It was a good private server, Daziunda was responsible for its takedown too.
This is literally the same thing that happened to Chronobreak. The project to restore old League of Legends. Its sad to see that wanting to enjoy old versions of games is illegal.
is that th Honestly, it's a shame that these companies can even do this at all. Being arrested for hosting a FREE PRIVATE SERVER FOR A FREE VIDEO GAME is actually insane.
Even if they found Pirates in discord at least here in the US nothing will be done unless the Pirates are caught in the act of Pirating as in unauthorized distributing or copying copyrighted work, but law enforcement actually usually goes after distributors not the ones that copy or download the copywritten material as the distributors is a bigger paycheck
I love Maplestory but I always thought Nexon was such an awful company. This isn't necessarily anything new, Nexon DMCAing and shutting down private servers. But the extent that they are going through to do that started relatively recently (like a few years ago.) It's honestly insane seeing how many servers have been shutdown with their hands alone. And what for exactly? Corporate Greed. People wanna play on private servers mainly for 3 reasons from what I've personally seen: 1. They want to play the game on old versions of the game, kind of how a lot of people really want to play vanilla WoW. People wanna play Maplestory before some of the biggest and most controversial game changing updates, most notably Big Bang. (Hence there being a lot of Pre-BB (Pre-Big Bang) servers.) 2. They want to move away from how Pay 2 Win the game itself is. You mentioned the monetization earlier but man, it's honestly awful how p2w the game is. Sure, it got a little bit better over the years, and the addition of Reboot (now called Heroic) worlds helped a lot for some of the players, at the cost of no trading, but it's still incredibly bad if you're playing on Regular (now called Interactive) worlds. 3. People want to try out new things. They wanna play on servers that provide gameplay that's different from the official servers. It's to the point where there are servers that occassionally pop up that advertise themselves as Ellinia-like (after a server named after one of the towns that featured completely custom progression and gameplay.) It's really unfortunate to see an MMORPG I grew up playing to be behind such an awful company, and any wins against Nexon ought to be celebrated.
@@Icecanon if I could delete replies, this would be it, because it contributes absolutely nothing and only puts me down. I main Guild Wars 2 now, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna stop looking at what's happening to the private server scene and the game itself.
I mean yeah as other people say, your pretty directly supporting this company by continuing to play their product whether you pay them money or not, people gotta start holding companies accountable
This kind of shit is why copyright law needs to go. The tiny amounts of good it does for the small guys is overshadowed by the dystopian practices it allows for big corporations.
To play the devil's advocate, the lack of copyright laws in China is the reason why no sane Chinese developers would develop any profitable and useful paid (offline) software because they would get pirated right away. The copyright laws need reforms to protect the small guys and consumers, not to be got rid of.
@@someobody8800 Your data is only used to advertise stuff to you. I don't mean that sort of stuff I mean stuff like artwork or games, when you buy someone's art or game you don't own it, you basically buy a token to use it for personal use, attempting to re-sell it will get you in legal trouble.
@@DarkStarCoreX You are thinking too good for these greedy companies who don’t give a shit about your stuff. I ofcourse know pirating isn’t good and that we can’t resell games and artworks. But why can’t we, when they do it all the time!
@@DarkStarCoreX also our data is not only used to advertise stuff to us! You need to do better research! It’s being sold to 3rd party companies all the time!
@@bistduskibiditoilettesistdayes yes, its not as if this video topic is connected to a form of piracy on a game that is free to access. If i make a private server of an online game wich gives me paid content, it can be considered pirating.
Pirates need to upgrade to hacker... Because most of these conglomerate publisher host live service game... Nexon and many Chinese company use cut throat formula in their games...
3:20 You are not telling everything, although neither is the article. The whole crux of this issue is that they had their own rival microtransaction and gold buying system set up on that server. That's what makes it specifically highly illegal.
illegal all the same, but honestly if they actually were popular enough to significantly impact their earnings then all the power to them lmao, couple of hobbyists doing a better job than a multi billion company
@@Milbyte11 It is actually not even remotely illegal to run your own private server for any game for any reason. You bought (or got for free) the software, and you have the right to run it. You are not compelled by any agreement to connect to the official servers in any capacity. Companies like Blizzard and Nexon here will try to strong arm you with legal threats if you do, but there is zero leg for them to stand on from a legal standpoint. The issue is as a multi-billion dollar company they can afford better lawyers than some lads who are running a private server, and those lawyers will be well paid and corrupt enough to likely find some way to get the lads in trouble. They in fact know they have no legal leg to stand on in these cases, as historically takedowns of private servers only are in terms of cease and desist. There is no recorded case other than this very specific case where there was any recompensation or fine attached to the shutdown of a private server. In this very specific case however the illegal part was them making a very cozy profit off of it, which means Nexon can argue they're using the software they own to illegally profiteer. The technical term here would be both racketeering and price gouging, though obviously anything on youtube comments is not legal advice, counsel or legal opinion and only a fool would take it as such.
@@Milbyte11 I'm aware. However copyright laws like these are global generally speaking, which is why the Interpol would be involved. Though it seems whatever part in that message triggered RUclips's ire.
I'm 35, game everyday, and have never played MapleStory. I enjoy making company employees who deal with PR waste their time. I sent every email I could connect with Nexon/Maplestory a picture of grass and a hand. You're welcome.
It's funny how their subsidiary who made The Finals was in such good to have promos with Discord earlier in the year but they themselves being so greedy and essentially broke that relationship
I cant imagine being a lawyer, already having to walk on eggshells when dealing with anything related to your job, and then your given a half filled in form like some sub teacher in a kindergarten class
Just for context, part of the reason why Japanese companies are so aggressive when it comes to legal matters is because they can, powered by the fact that Japan has **absolutely no fair use law**. This is so bad compared to the rest of the world that anyone who ends up showing even a single frame of a copyrighted material in, let's say, a 10-hour video, the entire video can be qualified to any claim or takedown the copyright holder wants to take. They are used to being predatory in their home country, and can't stand the level of leniency in other countries.
@@erubianwarlord8208 I don't think you understand how this works. If Discord runs their business in Japan, and it does if they have sales from there, then they're subject to lawsuits from their jurisdiction. Like, if both companies do business in both mutual jurisdictions, each can choose where to submit their lawsuits, and the Japanese companies will definitely choose their local laws since they're the most favorable for them.
![Felix "Unfair" | [Stray Kids : SKZ-PLAYER]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Oswujxm2Ag0/mqdefault.jpg)
Nexon makes Nintendo look completely well adjusted
you are correct
@@dateoun he is correct
@@itsalloverthewalls1 you are correct, he is correct
@@itsalloverthewalls1That human male is correct.
@@hikkamoriihe might be correct
Ngl discord replying with the most legal way to say "fuck off, we all hate you, just shut the up and grow a pair" is one of the coolest shit Ive ever seen
@@2_KidsInAtrenchCoat Legally epic
This is the biggest discord glaze we’ll ever get on NTTS’ channel
discord should just block nexon dmcas and ignore every single dmca nexon sends from here on out its getting pathetic at this point
Ur over 50 years old if you think that was cool
Cool
Imagine Discord getting so tired with Nexon's bullshit that they end up implementing end to end encryption in DMs just to give them a middle finger... one can dream tho... one can dream...
I hope they do, the hope dies last.
Funny you mention that; Discord's actually implementing end to end encryption for VCs really soon, so that dream might not be too far off from reality.
@@EnderRNWL that has surprisingly been launched now! Just in a select few servers.
@@EnderRNWL
So VCs are maybe soon encrypted, but text DMs?
The three letters people would probably really dislike this lol
And this kids, is why you should care about your privacy even when "you have nothing to hide".
Time to add ascript to delete all ur msg in dm and redirect dms to a service that actually does not track u and use Tor frfr
People have nothing to hide and hence they're okay with corporations reading their DMs. The people who say that will never change their minds.
@@lukek8522 I have nothing to hide, and I still don't want corpos reading my messages. Even public ones. They have enough of my data, it'd be just plain creepy for them to know the name, age, type and so on of my pets, let alone having the same kind of data about people's *kids*. I shouldn't have to live a paranoid, censored life to keep every corporate and government entity from knowing my whole life, they should have to work to find a single scrap of info I didn't give them.
deleting a message only hides it. But it still exists in discord's servers. Proof? Click on a deleted message link, it will redirect you to a place that the message was before.@@dinowars0078
I like to say “If there’s nothing to hide then there’s no reason to search” 🤔
Privacy is super underrated
using American dmca laws to enforce korean copyright infringement.
Shits crazy
Same with Japan copyright
the first paragraph is the most aggressive lawyer speak i've ever seen
It really is tho
its rare for legal speak to feel even remotely directed and that was a pretty straight forward pointing of fingers
Cool
There was a bungie lawsuit against someone who abused the RUclips copyright system to file 96 strikes, on bungie themselves too.
That legal document was straight fire. This is even better
@@Spartan-sz7km that lawsuit was the best piece of content they've put out in ages lmao
“what are you in jail for”
“drawing fan art”
Every single sonic fan would be arrested lol
Smells lolly cone.
@@Sackm4n i'd get a death sentence
Nicde lol
*nice
Bruh typo
lets be real, if discord doesnt cook in that court then we're all cooked
Absolutely 🎉🎉 me ded for playing on a l4d custom modded server..
It's valve though so I think you're safe. @@kanizfatemaliza9482
@@kanizfatemaliza9482Valve would definitely not try to imprison its fanbase. They're not publicly traded, and don't have short-term financial success as their sole motivator.
They're absolutely braindead therefore they will not cook.
You mean Americans are cooked not "we all"
This is the greatest argument for true end-to-end encryption in DMs and even channels. I mean no BS, no NSA backdoor, just pure cryptographic security. That way these situations wouldn't even arise in the first place, because there is not a single corporation or government on the face of this planet powerful or rich enough to break the fundamental laws of mathematics.
Underrated comment.
As shown by Signal, as I saw several videos of "Mental Outlaw" how he read through subpoenas to Signal and Signal's responses, where some court required them to produce all information they have about some users identified by their mobile number and they only thing they got back is when they signed up (in a UNIX timestamp), when they last logged in (also UNIX timestamp) and their mobile number that the court already has XD
There are plugins for Vencord and BD that allow you to do this, but I agree with you. Not everyone has Vencord, and not everyone can bother decrypting every single message.
math is hard
That would be illegal for discord
Nexon has a patent in South Korea for a "dynamic gacha system" which involves the algorithm working behind the scenes in these gacha games to take into account various things like player retainability, their average screen time etc etc basically it's a system which will lower the rates/rig lootboxes for people who spend more time in the game thereby making them pay more than people who spend less time in game and much more along those lines
The rare case of a thing better being patented than not
cant you abuse that
@@yrurgrhhr Let's be honest, the advertised probabilities will be the biggest ones possible.
@@yrurgrhhr we don't know how many many of their games have been made with the dynamic gacha system
Patents on algorithms are effectively unenforceable (because you can almost always make a legally different algorithm that does the same thing) , so they made a mistake there.
Their micro-transactions aren't even just loot boxes, but also TEMPORARY COSMETICS. You literally rent them for one month at a time. It's been this way since the opening decade of the games, too.
rent???? bro....
gambling is bad, RIGGED gambling is worse, RENTED RIGGED gambling is enough to send you to extra hell
@@dejesusramirezgeovanni3538 your comment makes literally no sense.
@@sauvagess What didnt you get because i thought i got it
@@sauvagessThey mean that the renting is crazy, it's not hard to understand
Holy shit this company was more evil than I thought.. Maple Story is like from 2003 and this company treats private servers as a criminal act ON A FREE 2 PLAY GAME
I hope this evil company goes bankrupt
They literally won't. Maplestory is one of the most popular games in South Korea. They got plenty of money and won't easily fall under.
@@HotBaraDad666 Ok well yeah going bankrupt is very unlikely but they should be taught a lesson for actions like these
Nexon is literally too big to fail.
I'm shocked how few people here seem to know about them. They are genuinely one of the most heinous companies I've ever had the displeasure of dealing with in any way shape or form and the world would be a better place if all of its executives went... *mysteriously missing.*
@@Starfloofle mm where's mr Agent B-747
@@Starfloofle so true. they would probably never go under considering; maple story, blue archive and it seems like the first descendant is going decently too.
That 200+ billion dollars is nothing to scoff at.
And I thought Nintendo was a greedy shitbag of a company.
Nexon is basically South Korean Nintendo. but worse in plenty of aspects.
This is actually pure comedy. How do they have no idea how to do a basic legal battle? Utter incompetence.
one fact dont change another nintendo is gredy shitbad company
Both go hands to hands
@@UT-Charablinded by greed
Im actually rooting for discord to win this case, becaue if not, then private dms arent private anymore
Also the original title of the video was "Discord Is Defending Piracy, For Your Privacy?"
*in America.
"Im actually rooting for discord to win this case, becaue if not, then private dms arent private anymore"
What makes you think they are?
Honestly that title goes kinda hard lol
So Korean law allows a giant corporation to send anyone to Interpol for the dumbest offense ever? That is insane
Korea itself is a dystopia run by Samsung
reminds me of the time that a company sent the actual pinkertons to a youtuber's house because he had unreleased trading cards
@@Frontalllll You mean that company that tried to revoke the OGL a license that cannot legally be revoked?
Yep truly dystopian
South Korea? Oooh you mean Samsungland
For once i am actually rooting for Discord to win a legal case, usually their incompetent moderation, ridiculously bad service and all that makes me hope that everything goes horribly wrong for them. But for the first time ever, i am rooting for Discord's success, man have the tables turned.
frfr
This is when a new supervillain shows up and you got to team up with the big bad from the previous game/season
@@Vortigern235Main kinda, except this time the villain is just some incompetent dumbass that everyone hates
@@Metal-Sonic a dumbass with what is basically access to a nuke
discord's pr team is definitely full of meatheads but you can tell there's good souls that wanna improve the company and platform. weeding out these legally inept companies is one way of doing so.
discord standing up for us is wild
Maybe we treated discord too harshly
@@shalax7881 fr dawg
Why do you talk like a phaggot ?
"Us" lol, who are u talking about, the losers on discord ? Or the pedo Americans on discord ?
Nah its not really discord standing up for us, its more about them being so sick and tired of nexon bs.
ah yes, running a free private sever, what a heinous crime
Hey its Samsung land
The AGGRESSION in discords response had me kinda surprised, usually legal speak can’t be so targeted in nature 😭
i think this is gonna turn out to be the funniest streisand effect ever. i didnt know there were maplestory private servers prior to finding out about this, but now that i do i want to play them more than i want to play actual maplestory.
Ehh, the Modern Maplestory scene is kinda trash. But the pre-Big Bang servers are quite decent.
@@HotBaraDad666 Damn, they got servers from over 13.8 billion years ago?
@@Hazearil Hahaha, Big Bang refers to one of the most game changing updates in the game. Think Evolution of Combat from Runescape.
Reminder to yall that playing on a private server for a game is not piracy. Most often you need to own the game first in order to mod them to connect to 3rd party servers.
IMO its a grey area. Playing on one is fine, but it's the hosting of private servers that could be the issue since, legally speaking, you would be directly competing for the same playerbase with "stolen" assets.
Unlesssss... You sail in the seven seas !🏴☠ In which it' s completely free and when using appropriate tools hard or even impossibnle to track u back, stupid to say you are almost safer pirating it than buying it..
Actually, I think it's still pirating as you need aquire the server code which iirc can be copyrighted. Though usually only the source code is. But no matter how you twist or turn it, it's still bonkers to send someone to prison for it.
@@Keventor It's pretty complicated depending on the case but usually:
1. If the server-side software is leaked, using that is considered copyright infringement, as is the case with the leaked Ragnarok Online's AEGIS.
2. If the servers is ran with emulators, which are server-side softwares that are custom-made to mimic the behavior of the server-side software, they usually aren't considered copyright infringement unless in extreme cases. However, if these private servers distributes the client that is required to connect to their servers, it's considered copyright infringement as the client contains copyrighted material.
3. If the owners somehow manage to run their servers with emulators and you don't distribute the client themselves then most likely they'll be fine, as is the case with most WoW servers. Those server runs on an emulator and the owners often point the players to a place where they can download the compatible client version off of a website that distributes them for archival purposes. These mostly get legally taken down in very serious cases like Nostalrius.
@@Keventoralot of private servers are 100% own codebase look at evEMU or evesharp
I wouldn't be surprised if NTTS got sued by them after this video
Daily reminder to sail the seven seas
agree
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Doesn't your country have a first amendment?
@@Priestesskikyou uh, not all countries have a constitution..
Nexon and Maplestory by proxy, is a very dystopian nightmare. As a long term player (of over 19 years), this company has not only spat on its players, but also took a giant steaming dump on us while claiming that they’ve “heard us” and our complaints.
The lootbox rigging is a lot worse than it sounds because in order for players to achieve certain end game bosses, they require a high level of stat (for example, they’ll require attack and boss damage). Not only do the players have to use the loot box to reach the highest tier for the item (the highest tier is legendary, you start off at rare then go to epic, unique and legendary), you also have to roll for the freaking lines (which is the attack and boss damage lines)
What’s worse is that certain line combinations were previously impossible to obtain (such as triple boss damage and triple ignore enemy defense) and it was NEVER stated at all to the players, causing players to spend ludicrous amounts of money chasing for those lines
That’s not even to say the tier up rates of the cubes are absurdly low and the only reason we found out about it was because Korea has strict gacha guidelines and audits that unveiled this. In Singapore, the Maplestory team not did not reveal the tier up rates to us, they also did not provide the same compensation to us as our Korean counterparts. Not only that, they destroyed our economy by not dealing with players who bot in the game (high level players mind you) while giving us the restriction that the Korean players have with none of the benefit that they got. (I.e in game currency loot boxes)
This company has consistently made it difficult for players to progress and even made it extremely clear that they do not give a steaming flying fk about their player
And people are still playing that dogshit game as if its the only game available in their country rofl
why tf would you even be playing this shit?
Why continue supporting a company that’s so obviously evil and greedy
@@Iris70390 because there’s no real alternative sadly
@@mochagotcha there 100% are and your just too used to playing it and it’s clouded that judgement. We have to hold companies accountable instead of pretending. If you shame them online and then turn around and give them 15 bucks or contribute to player counts then your not doing anything but helping them
Nexon is making Discord look like an angel.
Hey! we are using the same os. i don't see that a lot
and Nintendo look well-meaning to its fans
@@whydoyouwantmynam ParrotOS is pretty good
yeah LMAO
@@whydoyouwantmynam any fedora or arch users?
Imagine trying to put people in PRISON for playing a private server or modding a FREE GAME. ITS FUCKING FREE. And this is supposed to be a billion dollar company. Use your money for better purposes, not trying to jail people who are genuinely just trying to enjoy YOUR GAME.
yeah, i know a company that its fans supported it after if took down a fangame, even the creator of the game acted like a corporate meatrider. also the company just bans modding and fangames for some reason idk
as much as it feels right, free doesn't mean copyright free and piracy is a matter of copyright law not theft.
Everyone should quit playing Nexon's games and watch them beg for mercy
Welcome to cyberpunk-ass dystopia we (or, better to say, you) live in.
@@chillbizz74 Unfortunately, people get addicted to this sort of game. Probably from the lootboxes.
no one can ever stop piracy
never
funny to comment it on this video because it isnt even piracy
@@David280GG legally it is
YAR-HAR-FIDDLE-E-DEE-!
@@Bloodhueog There's no "online piracy law", just copyright
well i hope so
although i am not part of the legal system, it is my judgement that all messaging platforms that operate in the United States should be compelled to operate under the same standards at the united states postal service, as it is highly illegal to intentionally interfere with the transportation of communication.
it is also my judgement that a company proven in a court of law to be corrupt should be banned from any act that would create the law of the future
you can quote me on this provided the quote is accurate and complete
Hear hear.
Discord isn't a messaging platform even though everyone uses it as one
@@thewhitefalcon8539 Roblox also isn't a game platform but everyone uses it like a game platform anyway
it's not a game platform, it's a gambling platform
@@thewhitefalcon8539 What the shit is it then? lol
@@Starfloofle a surveillance infrastructure
9:28 - it's not about putting people in jail or money, it's about lawers having something to put in their "we are usefull!!" report
Now that I believe. It reminds me of the recent Disney lawsuit of the Disney plus agreement meaning they're not allowed to suit or however it goes.
billion dollar company LITERALLY doing that is so fucking crazy lmao
Wdym "literally" you think they'd do it figuratively?
@@notyarrs they mean a company doing what a over exaggerated fictional (billion dollar) company does is crazy|
i think
all for the cash (because apparently billions isn't enough)
@@ࣄ̆̂ ?how is it fictional
@@bistduskibiditoilettesistda sterotypes
If discord loses they have to add end-to-end encryption to DMs
I think they enjoy having access to your data way too much to do that.
Learn to use PGP, encrypt your discord messages yourself. Don't wait for them to do it for you
As someone who played some Korean MMORPG, both official and private server, these kind of private server witch hunt happen every 2-3 years or so
Which is basically constantly because that's how much time I assume you need to put a significant number of people in jail through court.
"Oh let me mod this game!"
*tweeks the movement speed by 0.00462*
Nexon: 👺
The way the lawyer said that in the most formal respectful way to say "Screw off", Discord have a really good lawyer don't they?
If they loose this case, I'm writing a script to encypt all of my messages using a private encryption key.
I think that there is something a Vencord plugin that does that, though I'm not sure.
PGP
@@nashadkajr.3111 there is it's called invisiblechat
good luck doing that with servers you're no longer in
as a long time MapleStory player, this is a Certified Nexon Moment
Roblox... IT'S FREE!!
Powering Child pre-
Powering Imagination
i’m so sad that such a cute looking game could be managed by such an atrociously evil corporation
@@machy4266 That's not new, Pokémon exists
@@origin4659 Nah, Pokemon devs are just atrociously rushed, and the upper brass’s staunch refusal to hire more people until recently was stupid as shit. They seem to be trying to find a better way, though. Which is more than I can say for Nexon.
@@jacksonvoet8312 I'm talking about Nintendo and Game Freak, not the developers of the games
Billion dollar companies trying not to abuse the legal system:
Remember that whilst this talk of piracy being a cornerstone of global culture and economy is going on The Internet Archive is under constant DDOS and isn't operating right now meaning that the largest single source of way back machinery and legitimate torrents is effectively offline
I've played Maplestory since 2006 and going and this is the best Nexon video I've ever seen
If Buying ain't Owning ,
Pirating ain't Stealing
true
Yuh
1+1=2
Required "erm akshually":
Piracy is actually a violation of copyright law. You don't own the game, you own a license to play the game, which is why EULAs exist. Distributing copies that you made is a violation of the license.
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Discord's "end to end" protected, completely safe for children, yes! "Children"
Yes, the only children on discord are pretending to be "children"!
@@p100nlno unfortunately there are actual children on discord. They also tend to be really stupid and make bad choices; that's why they're a problem.
@@mcloughlinguy4127 yeah predators don't have to pretend to be kids, they just talk to vulnerable kids.
Discord has not ever claimed, outside of their voice calls, that anything on their platform is end to end encrypted
@@CheezusI found a 8 year old bragging about being 8 i reported it and month later he still hasn't gotten banned for being underage or anything
Discord lawyer was cooking with that response
Reminds me that Nexon is in another lawsuit against a company called IronMace for a game they made.
Nexon isn't only just a greedy company, they are a ruthless company. If you even work there and leave the company, you suffer the consequences.
That one isn't that simple, Nexon is suing IronMace, because they are alleging that, the person that left, developed the game at Nexon, then left and took the game with him and released it under IronMace. This is a very short explanation of what happened, so doesn't have most of the details, but overall it seems Nexon is likely in the right in this specific case.
@@Raigekon The thing is, I don't believe that's what ultimately happened. All he was is some dev, but Nexon is trying to claim that they stole the source code or smth.
@@HotBaraDad666 Court verdict should be out soon(24th-25th october) as far as I understand, so we'll know soon enough.
@@Raigekon it's 25th, today.
@@HotBaraDad666 I know, but we are talking Korea, in which case court case details should be out already.
"Welcome to prison bub, What'd you do to get in 'ere little man?"
"I modded a game."
Bro has been taking notes from his $15 fiver lawyer 💀
Mr beast lawyer ahh
1 dollar vs 100 dollar vs 1000 dollar vs 100000 dollar lawyer moment
daziunda seems to literally be just one idiot, they also went crazy dmca'ing youtube and twitch of people streaming old school content because of suspected private servers
Daily reminder to *pirate* games.
why
@@epfootballshort sigma
unless they're indie then give back
@@epfootballshort corporate elites do nothing but ruin the game space
…But only when they come from companies or people you don’t support
The discord lore is getting crazier
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Honestly, I would tell discord to tell the government " eh hem until child predators don't exist anywhere we will only be upholding laws that bring predators to justice.
We don't care about anything else.
If you attempt to use the legal system against us, you will be outed as a child predator, because no one who cares about kids would be taking our time away from that"
17:53 🎵 you should find a more specific grievance. Here's an itemized list of 22 points of disagreements 🎵
If everything in the future is super expensive
Piracy is something called "right by your hand to help you"
Nah legal punishment for playing on private server is crazy
Most stereotypical asian shit
This should be illegal... Nexon I mean. Like how tf can you just go around putting people in jail for something so nothing. Especially after RIGGING the game lotteries. Like wtf.
Yeah, jail should be a place for people that are a danger to society not people that companies don't like.
@@orlagskapten9829Unfortunately lobbying is a thing and companies pay tons of money to politicians to get them to pass laws in their favor, even if it hurts the average citizen.
Korea is a wild place
@@kabanfriends5764which korea, just asking so i can know of its north or south
@@Icecanon It is very likely South Korea.
That Chase History server was from a game called Grand Chase, its purpose was to fulfil the hole after the original Grand Chase went over (Long Live the Chase), so Grand Chase History was one of the biggest and greatest servers available back then, it contained custom maps, dungeons, RAIDs, everything to keep the game alive, I played before, but after getting end-game I uninstalled it, only knowing of a friend it has reached its end after Grand Chase entered Steam. It was a good private server, Daziunda was responsible for its takedown too.
reminder that millionaires aren’t people!
Real
i think most if not all rich people are horrible people
@@whorupretending2bethey are monsters trugh and trugh
Billionaires*
Corporations arent either. Therefore, dont respect any of their rights.
This is literally the same thing that happened to Chronobreak. The project to restore old League of Legends. Its sad to see that wanting to enjoy old versions of games is illegal.
is that th
Honestly, it's a shame that these companies can even do this at all.
Being arrested for hosting a FREE PRIVATE SERVER FOR A FREE VIDEO GAME is actually insane.
Because it should be illegal.
@@Ineophile Me magically summoning [1] unnamed pm fan to reply "bait used to be believ-" on every comment I write
@@onesometoomuch meh, I can see where you come from, I respect your view, yet I don't share it.
@@onesometoomuchkeeping old relics alive 😱😱so illegal and unhinged!
ah yes corporate greed at is finest. apparently billions isn't enough
Pirating is morally correct especially adobe and dont forget
Dont Buy Denuvo Games
not always
no one cares if its morally correct or not. you'll do it anyways regardless, so no point in trying to justify it.
@@crazyfreakyben yeah i mean i literally dont care if a company would bankrupt cause everyone starts pirating their software so
do you actually know how to pirate adobe- asking for a friend.
@@toomuchtimemf r/GenP is probably the best way or you can just find stuff on r/piracy hope your "friend" enjoys all these adobe products for free
Even if they found Pirates in discord at least here in the US nothing will be done unless the Pirates are caught in the act of Pirating as in unauthorized distributing or copying copyrighted work, but law enforcement actually usually goes after distributors not the ones that copy or download the copywritten material as the distributors is a bigger paycheck
13:44 Did Discord add the fucking Spirit Bomb?
"This thing's the energies from everyone on Earth 'n Namek backin' it up! !"
Billion dollar company doing that💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Nowadays, there's more reason for pirating than actually buying a software...
I love Maplestory but I always thought Nexon was such an awful company. This isn't necessarily anything new, Nexon DMCAing and shutting down private servers. But the extent that they are going through to do that started relatively recently (like a few years ago.) It's honestly insane seeing how many servers have been shutdown with their hands alone. And what for exactly? Corporate Greed.
People wanna play on private servers mainly for 3 reasons from what I've personally seen:
1. They want to play the game on old versions of the game, kind of how a lot of people really want to play vanilla WoW. People wanna play Maplestory before some of the biggest and most controversial game changing updates, most notably Big Bang. (Hence there being a lot of Pre-BB (Pre-Big Bang) servers.)
2. They want to move away from how Pay 2 Win the game itself is. You mentioned the monetization earlier but man, it's honestly awful how p2w the game is. Sure, it got a little bit better over the years, and the addition of Reboot (now called Heroic) worlds helped a lot for some of the players, at the cost of no trading, but it's still incredibly bad if you're playing on Regular (now called Interactive) worlds.
3. People want to try out new things. They wanna play on servers that provide gameplay that's different from the official servers. It's to the point where there are servers that occassionally pop up that advertise themselves as Ellinia-like (after a server named after one of the towns that featured completely custom progression and gameplay.)
It's really unfortunate to see an MMORPG I grew up playing to be behind such an awful company, and any wins against Nexon ought to be celebrated.
Then quit, its my best advice okay?
@@Icecanon if I could delete replies, this would be it, because it contributes absolutely nothing and only puts me down.
I main Guild Wars 2 now, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna stop looking at what's happening to the private server scene and the game itself.
@@HotBaraDad666 or get a job
@@HotBaraDad666 okay?
I mean yeah as other people say, your pretty directly supporting this company by continuing to play their product whether you pay them money or not, people gotta start holding companies accountable
Discord just needs more Staff to block that shit. Love your Videos❤
If Discord loses this case, me and my friends are COOKED🙏
😭😭
4:42 sorry but "YOU ARE COMMANDED" made me laugh so much 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jesus copyright is just insane now
No it isn't you dummy. It's been like this since 1998.
At what point would a company be considered an abusive litigant? Just curious.
Do not falter, mateys. We shall still plunder the digital seas.
the phrase 'it was never this serious' has never been more correct
NTTS: I'm better at legal stuff than you are Nexon. And I'm a RUclipsr.
Viewers: *Dies of laughter*
NTTS, the world's biggest Discord degenerate, and a RUclipsr, is doing better than a multi million dollar company's lawyers
This is insane
First time seeing a video with a time of upload of under an hour, 49 minutes from upload
This kind of shit is why copyright law needs to go. The tiny amounts of good it does for the small guys is overshadowed by the dystopian practices it allows for big corporations.
To play the devil's advocate, the lack of copyright laws in China is the reason why no sane Chinese developers would develop any profitable and useful paid (offline) software because they would get pirated right away. The copyright laws need reforms to protect the small guys and consumers, not to be got rid of.
@@lifeinanutshell7147 agreed
It even doesn't do shit for small devs.
at the same time AI companies will make a profit out of stolen work anyways
@@MazdaTiger ban AI art but keep the other AI for purposes needed especially since technology is supposed to help us, not go against us.
Im happy that discord is standing up for us and our privacy
They rigged loot boxes and they still possess their kneecaps? Good lord that’s some audacity.
kinda didnt expect you to be here ngl but ello Lexi i like your tech ramblings
16:15 Jesus is even in this document himself(top of screen)
LMAO😭
Jesus trynna sue discord users, what a time to be alive…
if buying isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing!
Incorrect. You literally don't own anything on the internet otherwise you'd be in the full right to re-sell it for a greater price.
@@DarkStarCoreX Well they re-sell our data all the time. Why would it be a problem if we did it?
@@someobody8800 Your data is only used to advertise stuff to you. I don't mean that sort of stuff I mean stuff like artwork or games, when you buy someone's art or game you don't own it, you basically buy a token to use it for personal use, attempting to re-sell it will get you in legal trouble.
@@DarkStarCoreX You are thinking too good for these greedy companies who don’t give a shit about your stuff. I ofcourse know pirating isn’t good and that we can’t resell games and artworks. But why can’t we, when they do it all the time!
@@DarkStarCoreX also our data is not only used to advertise stuff to us! You need to do better research! It’s being sold to 3rd party companies all the time!
i got an ad at 2:41 💀
same lol
same
Me too
I love how you imply that Murder isn't a crime 7:45
Nexon are legitimately insane. They're basically Arasaka from Cyberpunk.
Nah I'll pirate
yes, yes, you will definetly pirate a free game
@@bistduskibiditoilettesistdayes yes, its not as if this video topic is connected to a form of piracy on a game that is free to access.
If i make a private server of an online game wich gives me paid content, it can be considered pirating.
@@bistduskibiditoilettesistda copium
Pirates need to upgrade to hacker... Because most of these conglomerate publisher host live service game... Nexon and many Chinese company use cut throat formula in their games...
Get the source code and post it on the internet
Discord being held for pirate is just crazy
My god they really wanted to be government but didn't want the trouble
See if stuff like this is why I sail through seas with pride on purpose screw these companies
15:41 uncensored ntts, dude this is amazing
3:20 You are not telling everything, although neither is the article. The whole crux of this issue is that they had their own rival microtransaction and gold buying system set up on that server. That's what makes it specifically highly illegal.
illegal all the same, but honestly if they actually were popular enough to significantly impact their earnings then all the power to them lmao, couple of hobbyists doing a better job than a multi billion company
@@Milbyte11
It is actually not even remotely illegal to run your own private server for any game for any reason. You bought (or got for free) the software, and you have the right to run it. You are not compelled by any agreement to connect to the official servers in any capacity.
Companies like Blizzard and Nexon here will try to strong arm you with legal threats if you do, but there is zero leg for them to stand on from a legal standpoint. The issue is as a multi-billion dollar company they can afford better lawyers than some lads who are running a private server, and those lawyers will be well paid and corrupt enough to likely find some way to get the lads in trouble.
They in fact know they have no legal leg to stand on in these cases, as historically takedowns of private servers only are in terms of cease and desist. There is no recorded case other than this very specific case where there was any recompensation or fine attached to the shutdown of a private server.
In this very specific case however the illegal part was them making a very cozy profit off of it, which means Nexon can argue they're using the software they own to illegally profiteer. The technical term here would be both racketeering and price gouging, though obviously anything on youtube comments is not legal advice, counsel or legal opinion and only a fool would take it as such.
@@Kanakotka this is south korea, they have different laws
@@Milbyte11 I'm aware. However copyright laws like these are global generally speaking, which is why the Interpol would be involved. Though it seems whatever part in that message triggered RUclips's ire.
And so what you fuck what does that matter
I'm 35, game everyday, and have never played MapleStory. I enjoy making company employees who deal with PR waste their time. I sent every email I could connect with Nexon/Maplestory a picture of grass and a hand. You're welcome.
Discord situation is crazy
It's funny how their subsidiary who made The Finals was in such good to have promos with Discord earlier in the year but they themselves being so greedy and essentially broke that relationship
"If buying isn't owning, then pirating isn't stealing"
today i drank a capri-sun
ok
What flavor
@@PunyUmbrella multi-vitamin
@@UltraV12 based
@@UltraV12 pacific cooler better
Man, sure would be a shame if official Nexon servers were shut down by Discord in anticipation of a lawsuit.
Nexon making discord and Nintendo look like fcking SAINTS
I cant imagine being a lawyer, already having to walk on eggshells when dealing with anything related to your job, and then your given a half filled in form like some sub teacher in a kindergarten class
If Nintendo took one look at this case, even they would be like "That's a little overkill"
Just for context, part of the reason why Japanese companies are so aggressive when it comes to legal matters is because they can, powered by the fact that Japan has **absolutely no fair use law**. This is so bad compared to the rest of the world that anyone who ends up showing even a single frame of a copyrighted material in, let's say, a 10-hour video, the entire video can be qualified to any claim or takedown the copyright holder wants to take. They are used to being predatory in their home country, and can't stand the level of leniency in other countries.
Nexon is a Korean company, not a Japanese one.
@@aegisxor main office are in Japan
the rest of the world should just refuse to acknowledge Japanese style copyright law until they add a fair use clause at this stage
@@aegisxor they are also under Tokyo Stock Exchange, so they can play by Japan's Rules
@@erubianwarlord8208 I don't think you understand how this works. If Discord runs their business in Japan, and it does if they have sales from there, then they're subject to lawsuits from their jurisdiction. Like, if both companies do business in both mutual jurisdictions, each can choose where to submit their lawsuits, and the Japanese companies will definitely choose their local laws since they're the most favorable for them.
12:30 new response just dropped
Funfact:Lots of people use Discord to storage keylogged data.
they really be giving nintendo ninjas the "hold my beer" moment
“We’re gunna skip all the nonsense” NTTS gets us