Hard Landing Causes Compressor Stall
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SAS Airbus A320neo hard landing with engine compressor stall in Madeira
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SAS pilot took "turn and burn" to another level
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touch and go
What is described as a turn and burn is at take off not landing
Huh? That has nothing to do with anything.
That really was a super hard landing! No wonder he went around!
From what I can see, the crew of the SAS Airbus initiated the go-around just before they touched down, as heard by the engine spool up right before the contact. So the “bounce” wasn’t so high because they landed that hard (although yes, it wasn’t soft either) but because they already applied go around thrust before touch down. I think the crew did what was expected of them, they recognized a wind-shear, applied go around thrust and, in my opinion, prevented damage to the airplane. As someone pointed out, the compressor stall was probably a combination of engines producing go around thrust (more prone to engine stall) and the hard (but i wouldn’t say extreme) touchdown. Also, there is probably a slight delay in us seeing the go around an in sound of the engines spooling up because of the distance between cameraman and plane, so the thrust was probably applied a tiny bit sooner than we probably think.
Yeah, definitely looks like a windshear escape. Would have been a much worse landing had the pilots not reacted quickly.
Flight Sim video.
He’s right
Thank you for the explanation captain. What is your flight simulator username?
Flight sim clip
That a320 must have some kind of damage after a touchdown like that. That was hard as hell, oof.
That was quite a bounce.
And it looked like straight out of MS Flightsim, too.
Was it really a compressor stall? or did part of the engine hit the runway.
@@erbenton07yes. He set to TOGA too fast, than it caused a lot of pressure and block the air from flowing to the combustion chamber.
@@seanlund8383 I don't think that's the case, it happened the instant the aircraft contacted the runway. I would bet that something contacted internally.
2:02 it's truly amazing to see how far technology has come🎉
Autolanding is crazy. It still feels sci-fi to me 😂
@@Meisha-sanautolanding has been around for 50 plus years.
@@Meisha-san Yeah it`s pretty cool. I wonder how it`s doing in crosswinds.
@@Meisha-sanIt's been around for a long time! In fact, many small planes have it now, for emergency use. Some detect inattention from the pilot, and just go and land, assuming incapacitation.
The L1011, introduced in 1970, had a fully automated flight control system and was the first ALS-equipped plane to be certified for ILS Category III approaches, the plane could fly itself from takeoff roll to landing, and the FAA gave special clearance for the L1011 to auto land in severe weather conditions
Using an F35 to dry out a wet runway isn't the most cost effective to do it, but it works 😊
Good ones this episode. Props to those Vietnam Airlines pilots for the NO-Vis landing!
Why props to them:. Give the props to the autopilot that actually performed the landing.
Good job flipping the auto-land switch 😂.
I really liked the F-35 takeoff, at 0:47 the water on the runway steam conversion was cool!
must've pissed the cameraman off when it didn't focus on the plane correctly at the best moment.
That poor SAS plane definitely said "OUCH" on landing. 😬 However, an even stranger thing was witnessing a Ryanair go around!🤭
Probably had to declare a fuel emergency during the climbout. (That’s a joke before the Ryanair lovers out there chime in)
Someone owes someone a beer after that landing...
Us armchair pilots would do well to remember that Madeira is a Captains only airport for both departures and arrivals. A short runway and notoriously unpredictable weather conditions, frequent tailwind landings etc
As a total C-130 guy, I understand that one engine shut down with a failure is an IFE, I’ve been on many flights where we would shut an engine down to save a little fuel (once we actually shut down 2!). In all fairness, though, the engines were totally operational and we didn’t have much of a payload at the time. Gotta love those C-130s!!👍😄😄
So, curious what SOP is on a landing like that. Do they only reverse thrust on one engine on either side?
@@mikespencer9913All engines into the ground range, reverse on symmetrical engines. Aileron into the shutdown engine. Rudder and nosewheel steering to maintain centerline. Elevator down and more braking if additional nosewheel authority is required.
Some of the purest content on youtube, nay, the whole internet.
I agree, nay, concur.
Best update in a while. No click bate and jam packed with goodies!
Your videos make me feel good! Love you man!
0:59 Man, A380's even look big on camera. Awesome to see one in person.
I quite enjoy these videos. Please keep making them.
The first one would just be a butter landing for a Ryanair pilot!
1:38 rare footage of Ryanair going around
1:05 The pilot almost respected the speed limit… 👍😊
😂😂
Awesome video, thanks!
Good day Sir...
From Jakarta Watching and like your Video..
God bless you
Great video!
Awesome Video 😊
Ryanair: That landing was way too smooth. Let's do a go around and land the Ryanair way the next time...
Hearing “5” immediately after hearing “Minimums…” amazing.
We need a "Ryanair hard & bounce" compilation 😂
thank you for featuring my ryanair vid 😁
Juan Browne from blancoirio says that every pilot will get a hard landing at least once in their career. (Edit: he probably meant no pilot is free from the risk of this). Doesn't mean you're going to get a flame out, or a gear collapse, or anything bad at all besides just a hard landing inspection, but he says it's just inevitable. (Edit: as in, it's worth accepting the fact that it's practically inevitable) So something like this isn't super worrying per se. (I think he's reassuring pilots that they don't need to feel quite like their career is over if one happens.)
Well, he is wrong. That’s ridiculous. After 31 years and 16000 hrs, I’ve never had such a hard landing that required an inspection. I’d lose my job actually, if I did that. And it’s not just me, I don’t know any of my friends or coworkers that ever had such a landing.
Allow me to disagree. 42 years of flying and 23,000 flight hours and no hard landings...
@@tomlee7956 unless we have hard data about other pilots, there's no way you or I can definitively conclude anything about how rare your experience is. All I'm going off of is what he said based on his experience. And what he said might have had a little bit of hyperbole; he was merely reassuring the folks that some hard landings are unpreventable, happening even to the most skilled and experienced of pilots. He didn't mean it literally will happen to 100% of people, but if you want to be pedantic and hung up on the language rather than the message, go right ahead.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 what he means is that some hard landings are unpreventable. Ones that just go slightly above the firm landing threshold. Whether it is due to windshear or whatever else. It's a regular thing that happens, a slightly too hard landing, and so passengers can be reassured that it is not an extremely rare situation.
As I pointed out in another comment, of course neither Juan nor I meant that this applies literally to 100% of pilots; 100% of pilots won't literally get hard landings, but he means, it can happen to anyone.
@@R2Bl3nd I guess it can happen to anyone, but I doubt it’s as wide spread as you and Juan make it sound like. As I said, it’s not just me over 31 years, it’s literally with everyone I’ve flown with over the 31 years and I’ve never witnessed anyone doing worse than a firm landing. None of the flights, whether I was the one flying or a co-worker, has resulted in any kind of inspection requirement.
If that were to happen to me, I’d lose my job.
Massive windshear im presuming as TOGA can be heard well before slamming into the runway. Would love to have seen some onboard footage of that.
First clip is from Ryan Air's pilot instructional video "How to land smoothly".
I've taken about 10 Ryanair flights. All perfectly smooth.
No mention of the plug door blown off in Portland?
The SAS touch and go was classic aircraft carrier operations...
Thank for for a proper video title and not click baiting us again.
He probably couldn’t think of one.
Deciding to go around after a normal touchdown requires some concrete nerves. Kudos to Ryanair crew.
That looked fairly normal to me too.
They probably decided that the first go wasn’t a hard enough landing, hence the decision to go around 🤣
That A320 hurts🤕
Wondering if that compressor stall was from the thrust levers rapidly going into TOGA mode as opposed to the impact itself...
???
It stalled due to down draft and windshear
You’d think fancy NEO FADEC would prevent that but he did go from flight idle to TOGA in the middle of a huge high AoA sink so who knows.
They TOGA'ed just before the hard landing.
Was coming here to comment this, glad I spotted it
@@Djnffnoeosmfasjjd He is talking about the engine compressor stall, not aerodynamic stall. Relax a little. Enjoy. :-)
The British Airways plane was clearly going too fast. The sign was telling him to slow down.
He confused km/h and mph 🤣
@@filipdimitrov1630 👍
I had to rewatch. Good spotting that. Pilot will know for next time.
That SAS A320neo looked VERY scary
B787 clip was cool
Top quality content, thanks very much for this. Well done! 👏🏻
You like his flight sim videos eh?
Awesome to see clip in todays series 0:57
Cool sim bro
Lindo lindo 👏👏
A Hercules C-130 can still fly on 1 engine if necessary. Saw this at an airshow in NZ 1982 ish. at Whenuapai Airbase, Auckland. Incidentally my father was an air frame fitter at Whenuapai.
After that first clip, it made me think my MSFS landings weren’t that bad
how did you rmove the wind noises from the original SAS video??
Bro the a320 be like : Naw man they don't have my food ready, I'm going for a walk
It is very unusual to see a Ryan Air 737 going around
Small aircraft on a long runway means they have plenty of runway left to roll out along if they float and it’s a long landing.
Wait, Ryanair does go-arounds? I thought their policy was "put it on the runway, no matter what."
Did the pilot get reprimanded, for doing that?
Do not know where you got that information. No pilot would get reprimanded for doing a go-around.
@@se-kmg355I think you haven’t catch the sarcasm
@@se-kmg355 its a running joke about Ryan Air and their endless stream of unsafe and very hard landings
party pooper
I reckon they deemed the first landing not hard enough, so went round to have another go
Didn't know that planes can Autoland, amazing
holy moly that first one
2:30, the dreaded three engine approach and landing
how do they translate radio coms on airliners? or is English the standard worldwide?
What really caused the compressor stall? 1. Would jarring the engine hard cause the blade positions enough to allow a stall? 2. Is the compressor stall a result of the change in air pressure that happens in the ground effect region and the apparent gusty conditions on landing? Or 3. Was the compressor stall just coincidental to touchdown?
It's not a really compressor stall : A compressor stall is a local disruption of the airflow in the compressor.
There is nothing really disturbing the air flow here.
Fact : We are seeing unburnt fuel, burning out of the turbine. It can be caused by a compressor stall, because of the sudden reduction of air (combustive) compared to fuel, but it is not the only cause (other cause is sudden overflow of fuel, or a diminution of air speed due to the rotation speed reduction).
But the impact could have an effect on the injection: sudden fluid spike acceleration into pump, tank or/and pipes, change of repartition of fuel (injector pointing up are shorted, injectors pointing down are overloaded), or any combination affecting injection.
It might also have been (most unlikely due to the simultaneity) a mechanical deformation so strong it slowed the rotation of the motor thus reducing the air flow (without stalling, only due to rotation speed reduction).
The short answer is no. It was rapid reduction, then increase of the throttle on go around that upset the airflow inside the engine. It cleared up immediately, though.
Bro smaked the ground so hard the plane shat itself
SAS. Is this the appropriate speed for landing?
wow rare footage of ryanair actually doing a go around
I'll never consider losing 1 engine out of 4 an emergency 😄 . Especially with a smooth landing.
0:19 just feeling out the tarmac.
C-130. what a magnificent machine! trust it--that bird will bring you home!
Every cargo plane I saw last night, coming, going, 3 different airports, were mostly B737, 757, and some MD-11 from 1993. Reliability baby!
That A380 only doing 33mph is impressive tbf 🤔
Wow, that was hard!
Either the clip is sped up, or that Ryanair pilot was coming in HOT.
can confirm the clip wasnt sped up
"Portuguese legacy C-130 comes back in normal 3 engine configuration"
Pow landing with BOOM
1:21 My first thought, RyanAir got now 737 Maxes? Need to be careful on my next flight. And then the second thought: the pilots are afraid too to push the new planes hard, as they used to 😂.
20 feet is the minimum on this 787 auto land?
That Ryanair touch down was a request stop for the people wanting that airport.
The rest got kicked off 100 miles from London and walked.
Imagine a pothole so big it causes your car's engine to misfire.🤣🤣
Ouch.. that A320 landing by SAS must have hurt
It looks like it's always stormy at Heathrow airport!
welcome to Funchal
Does the auto pilot actually lands the plane all the way or they assume command at the last second when there is visibility with the runway?
Autopilot is capable to fly the aircraft down to the runway, flare and roll-out. Technically you can disconnect and fly manually when a visual reference is made, but most SOPs I know of is to keep the autopilot connected and let it do its thing.
Nah most of them land manually with pilot in control to keep the skill up. @@se-kmg355
At what point does the pilot disconnect the AP during the Vietnam Autoland? They were wheels down and it seems the AP was still running.
During the roll out. The autopilot still controls the aircraft on the runway via the LOC beam.
1:21 Odd decision. I know there is am 80Kph crosswind, terrifying windshear and the aircraft is more than halfway down the runway, but this is a 737MAX! As soon as any part of the aircraft - a wheel, tailcone or even a wingtip touches the ground, you make the most of the chance fate has given you and *LAND*!
I bet that Vietnamese Airliner was like, I’m glad there are computers.
A 737 max 8... from Ryanair...
God bless the passengers.
Damn, sounded like SAS chopped the power at 50 feet and regretted it.
There's another angle of the SAS incident up on RUclips.
Thank you
Wow
Might have been convinced that first video was flight sim but the lousy camera angles and amateur camera work convinced me it's real world.
The first video of the compressor stall looks like computer graphics made on a home flight simulator program.
Ryanair doesn't go around so could it be that another airline was mistaken for Ryanair?
The SAS A320 was diverted to Gran Canaria after the incident at Madeira, because LPA is better equipped to handle the damage.
@2:05 how scary it would be 2 c runway at last second, damm
Why did the Vietnamese airlines plane call minimus below 10 feet
List of question here 😂
1. What is compressor stall?
2. I thought autoland features is only available on a350, or is this new on b787s?
3. How to engine like the c130 hercules reverse thrust?
1) A compressor stall is what happens when there’s a disruption of the airflow in the compressor of a turbine engine which causes a loud bang and the anything from a momentary power drop barely noticeable on the engine instruments to a near complete loss of power in case of a surge, requiring throttle adjustments to recover, to the destruction of the engine in the most severe cases.
2) Cat III Auto land is actually available on practically every major passenger airliner flying today - the first plane to have it was the L1011 in the 70’s and lesser Cat I and II were available on some all the way back in the 60’s.
3) turboprops including the c130 reverse thrust by reversing the propeller pitch - literally rotating the blades along their axis until they are pushing air forward rather than backwards.
thankyou for the detailed explanation , i learn something new@@GlutenEruption
@@dudeoftheyear1260 Happy to help. Stay curious! 👍
glad to not be on the SAS flight - that was rough
No damage done in flight sim though
Wait! Did I just saw a Ryanair pilot do a go around after touchdown!?!? 😱🤭😂🤣
Early squad!
wow
“Approaching Minimums” set at 15 feet lolol.
Stall was most likely caused by rapid throttle movement for the go around. Not the landing. 35 years as a power plant mech.
It’s a jet engine
@@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 the engine stall sir. You’d know what I meant if you knew what you are taking about
@@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 jet engines can "stall" as well clown boi
380 looks like a plane that ate too much.
Regarding the SAS A320 compressor stall; it is highly unlikely to have been caused by the ‘hard landing’; otherwise 5% of ‘hard landings’ would result in engine changes, which would be financially crippling. It is more probable that it suffered a bird strike.
Wow, the visibility on that 787 landing was horrible!
"This 737 Max executed a go-around before loosing parts of the fuselage."
Those from @Mentour pilot say hi
Why do you think a hard landing would cause a compressor stall?