I don't understand canceling a preorder that you already saw what it was like and the final result is the same or better, I still don't understand it, the brand is not obligated to change or improve anything, so why do you create a video about this?
I created the video to discuss price gouging from this company. The only reason I even had considered it to begin with was because I thought it would become the best 1/6 representation of the joker that exists. For $ 1700, i did have expectation they would improve over proto. I gambled and lost. I don't think proto is better and when I can find a custom artist to give me a product that looks hyper real and save me 1000$ id rather lose 300 than take a figure that's going to lose more % than a new car rolling off the lot. I'm also known to be a person who loves joker and one of the only youtubers who said they wanted one. So I had a lot of people asking if I was still proceeding. This was my response. Hope you enjoyed the video. But if not, that's okay too. Can't please everyone 🤗
This , I think people are cancelling it cause of a certain RUclipsr is complaining and crying about it , some are not even collectors and after the review they sell the figures
I’ve been going through a similar journey since these JND images dropped. Have decided to cancel my order, eat the NRD and head down the custom route. Mass produced Jokers just can’t seem to hit the same quality bar as custom headsculpts.
Ya man I think that's the smart way to go. People are saying I'm making excuses, but I hate that I lost a large amount of money just to walk away. But for that price, this needed to come out miles better than competition and it just didn't. Lesson learned I suppose 😅
@@TheBenThomasShow A great figure lives or dies on it's headsculpt likeness, paint apps & rooted hair. THe JND prototype blew me away with the underlying tech in the figure (metal skeleton, silicone, skull, seamless neck etc) however if the sculpt simply looks wrong, it doesn't matter. I would've always hated myself for spending that money on something I wasn't happy with. (There are other things that bug me about the tailoring too). I've explored the custom scene (for Indiana Jones) in recent years with great success, so I decided the better option was to pursue a custom Heath Ledger instead. As you say Ben, it has to be the best option.
JnD created a good product that many cannot afford...if only they would be between the prices of Hot Toys and InArt then probably they'd be able to shake up the competition more...but as is...its just gonna be Hot Toys and InArt ...until another company gets the license for the TDK line
Wow, that customizer actually captured Heath Ledger as the Joker, it's the ultimate 1/6 version. Inart and Hot Toys should just fire their sculptors for botching their sculpts.
I think it's just funny how inart started this whole Joker thing and everybody been trying to get on the train trying to make theirs better and I feel these companies have been testing the prices to see how far collectors will go and what this company is asking for is just ridiculous is bad enough that I've heard some people that after seeing hot toys version of this Joker after all that effort and wondering when they're getting their figure they are now considering to sell that whole Joker set and get less money for it it's just crazy to me but this J&D version I don't have to worry about even pursuing I'm good with the hot toys cuz that price is just crazy and insane
Great video! I ordered the Hot Toys dx 32 version of The Joker, can't wait till it comes. For 1700 they could've given you a better base. The Hot Toys version is 350 dollars and has an awesome base. I love Heath Ledger's version of The Joker. I got the Slideshow version of him sitting in the jail cell, his hands clapping. The Hot Toys version of The Joker looks amazing. The details are spot on and you get a great base that tells a story about your figure. I hope you were able to get your money back from the JND figure. Great video, keep up the good work!!
Hah well hopefully I can make the next video go from Fine to Great :) def happy I dodged one but disappointed it wasn't miles better than competition for that price point. I would have still proceeded if I Loved the final outcome
Haha I saw a Jack Sparrow review, and it showed the price as $450. That's retail before shipping and I was like "how did we get to this!?" and that figure is less than half the price! I remember Will's video asking the public how much the figures should cost and they were a thinking these were a lot less than what we pay. What gets forgotten is the factory workers in china are incredibly underpaid, so it would be something if these prices came with a promise to pay the factory fairly, but we can't even guarantee that! As for Joker N Dogs, it's better than the prototype but not by much, and the head is not good, too big, too messy and the tailoring is mediocre just as you said. Worst thing is, even if this figure was PERFECT it's still made with silicone and we don't know how long that will even last with an articulated figure, because you're not supposed to touch it, lol. I hope they succeed, would be cool to see another 1/6 company, but this is not the dogs bollocks lol.
Hah well said bud! It would have had to be perfect and still would have been a dumb amount to spend hah but the fact that it's not miles better than competition is laughable for that amount then
I wouldn't pay that money even if it was the actual Heath Ledger. Set yourself a limit on figures and vehicles and don't go over no matter how good the figure is. If you start on that amount you'll do it again. I remember when I thought 150 was too much for a figure now too much is 300 lol so I stick to my limits otherwise you'll just keep paying more and losing more money. It's just plastic at the end of the day.
This was silicone and plastic but..... for that price I expected it to be miles better than the competition. Since it wasn't, it made no sense to keep. If I'd loved it, I would have kept it. But instead I'll go custom route
Sorry buddy but if lose more % on this than a new car rolling off the lot lol. I needed to LOVE it to justify a 2400 Canadian spend. I can take a week vacation for that lol. Priorities. Lost an nrd the size of a figure lol but excited for the custom sculpt now more instead 😀
Good topic. So much to consider, especially price vs. quality. I don't think any 1/6 scale figure is worth more than $350 -$550 max and the quality should be perfect regardless of price. I think you made a good call canceling. Also, that custom head sculpt is killer!
With kit you only lose your nrd. But I'd feel bad for kit who could lose a lot more. I've ordered via him and I won't cancel.... My mistake for ordering it. But it will be a reminder to never buy a jnd product again. Let alone the issues with indiana jones with jnd lies which is my last statue (with them also) Jnd deserve this.
I dont understand these 1/6 collectors who are upset about this. Tbh paying that much for a 1/6 is kinda their fault. Not to mention the production piece technically has better hair and the exact same face. The tailoring could be better...but NRD is a normal practice from companies charging that much. This is what us 1/3 collectors are very used to. Ive eaten multiple NRD over the years. And for these collectors to be yelling about it is kinda hilarious. How about you dont pre order items obviously over priced?
I don't mind losing the NRD. It sucks but it's the gamble I took. JND changed their contract wording after people ordered so they would also take their deposit, not just NRD which is several $100 more than agreed. Also for the asking price, this needed to be miles better than competition and it's just not. So that's what people are frustrated about. Ordering thinking they would refine to the point of wowing everyone and it's just meh. I'll never order JND 1/6 again
@@TheBenThomasShow everyone keeps talking about this "contract" yet on their brand new items up for pre order it has the exact same old contract?? It's still only half. If the item ships you can't cancel it. But I'd like to see where jnd said that they are taking the whole deposit. Because I can't see it anywhere.
I love seeing new advances in 1/6 figures, the creativity behind JND seemed too expensive for a figure that is already saturated on the market …..just for a seamless articulation head sculpt? The likeness always seemed off to me…I don’t like seeing any company fail, I hope those you got this figure love it in hand….Ben that custom looks great , I really hope it looks as good in hand
I hope they don't fail either but something has to change. The price doesn't make sense for the offering. If this was 350-450 it would be a way more fun discussion and compassion
@ totally agree of the price range was lower, I think JND should have listened to complaints of the community and done the Nurse Joker and the Bank Robber Joker which many collectors have been asking for
JND is way over rated. Their quality is not even close to the prices they are asking. I believe that all deposits should be refundable, since collectors honestly do not know what the final product will be when it gets shipped out. Studios that produce these items need to be upfront with their clients, sadly most patrons will be kept in the dark for months if not years before the final product ships. Why should collectors be the ones who eats a deposit cost if the final product does not compare to the prototype?
@@TheBenThomasShow for sure ! For the price of that joker I can get multiple artisan figures for that price. Have Anakin Skywalker, Ledger Joker, Phoenix Joker, Black Widow, Jack Sparrow & Tom Holland on pre order.
Not getting this, but I do think this is better than Hot Toys or Inart. It looks exactly like the prototype, so I don't understand all the hate this figure is getting.
That's the cool part about art. How you see it and I see it can be different. I think it looks worse than proto. But if this figure was in the hot toys- inart price range, I'd be more excited to compare which is Better. But this is price gouging. They said they'd smash inart out of the water. And have they? For nearly double the price of the inart 2 pack? The hate is for the value not aligning with the product. I'll never order jnd 1/6 again especially since I lost an NRD the size of a figure itself hah
Sculpt alone sucks. The paint app was disgusting. Who pre ordered this?? Why would anyone preorder this. I NEVER pre order anything. I don't believe in giving the company money. If I have to pay a little scalper fee later, I'm fine with that. And yeah, that $700 joker sculpt is stupid. Because I was priced much cheaper than that for that same sculpt, man.
Sorry about your figure. Especially disappointing since you’re so invested in the character. 🥴🤡💩 2025 will have some great figures.. we just gotta be patient.
JND is crazy with their prices and their business practices. After treating their customers badly no one will trust them or even buy from them for 1/6th figures. I think it was a good idea to cancel even though you lost money on it, it’s still better than losing more money by buying the figure you don’t want. Have a Happy New Year! 🎆
It's also not even just about the money. I needed to LOVE IT to justify that amount of money for 1.6th. I can take a vacation for 2400 hah or buy a lot more sixth scale i love more and go custom route. Happy new year as well good sir!
I'm in the same boat Ben. I'm as annoyed with myself as I am JND. IMO, their figure is significantly worse than the rooted Inart and Hot Toys which I own. That custom is incredible. Does the price you mentioned include the paint apps and rooting?
@@TheBenThomasShow like I said before, that sculpt is supposed to be less than $700. Do some research and ask people. Mine was going to be under $400 with a two-three month wait.
@@TheBenThomasShow the trust is gone with JND now. Like you said this fig had to be out of this world good for that price. Did they show the wrists that move or the fingers?
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I would not worry. I usually zoom in on figure. No offence but that is what we are here for.
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The real question is why’d you preorder a $1700 1/6 scale figure in the first place lol
Love joker and thought there was a chance he'd be the best possible representation! But then I found custom sculpt makers 😅
The only thing JND got right were the dogs nuts😂😂😂😂😂
Dude that was so funny when I finally got a better look at that picture lol
Dude that was so funny when I finally got a better look at that picture lol
Hahah I actually had the same thought! 😅
I don't understand canceling a preorder that you already saw what it was like and the final result is the same or better, I still don't understand it, the brand is not obligated to change or improve anything, so why do you create a video about this?
I created the video to discuss price gouging from this company. The only reason I even had considered it to begin with was because I thought it would become the best 1/6 representation of the joker that exists. For $ 1700, i did have expectation they would improve over proto. I gambled and lost. I don't think proto is better and when I can find a custom artist to give me a product that looks hyper real and save me 1000$ id rather lose 300 than take a figure that's going to lose more % than a new car rolling off the lot. I'm also known to be a person who loves joker and one of the only youtubers who said they wanted one. So I had a lot of people asking if I was still proceeding. This was my response. Hope you enjoyed the video. But if not, that's okay too. Can't please everyone 🤗
This , I think people are cancelling it cause of a certain RUclipsr is complaining and crying about it , some are not even collectors and after the review they sell the figures
@daveo.1702 who are you referring to?
I’ve been going through a similar journey since these JND images dropped. Have decided to cancel my order, eat the NRD and head down the custom route. Mass produced Jokers just can’t seem to hit the same quality bar as custom headsculpts.
Ya man I think that's the smart way to go. People are saying I'm making excuses, but I hate that I lost a large amount of money just to walk away. But for that price, this needed to come out miles better than competition and it just didn't. Lesson learned I suppose 😅
@@TheBenThomasShow A great figure lives or dies on it's headsculpt likeness, paint apps & rooted hair. THe JND prototype blew me away with the underlying tech in the figure (metal skeleton, silicone, skull, seamless neck etc) however if the sculpt simply looks wrong, it doesn't matter. I would've always hated myself for spending that money on something I wasn't happy with. (There are other things that bug me about the tailoring too). I've explored the custom scene (for Indiana Jones) in recent years with great success, so I decided the better option was to pursue a custom Heath Ledger instead. As you say Ben, it has to be the best option.
@JB-np4lp 100%
JnD created a good product that many cannot afford...if only they would be between the prices of Hot Toys and InArt then probably they'd be able to shake up the competition more...but as is...its just gonna be Hot Toys and InArt ...until another company gets the license for the TDK line
Agreed!
Problem is, they're years too late.
Wow, that customizer actually captured Heath Ledger as the Joker, it's the ultimate 1/6 version. Inart and Hot Toys should just fire their sculptors for botching their sculpts.
I think it's just funny how inart started this whole Joker thing and everybody been trying to get on the train trying to make theirs better and I feel these companies have been testing the prices to see how far collectors will go and what this company is asking for is just ridiculous is bad enough that I've heard some people that after seeing hot toys version of this Joker after all that effort and wondering when they're getting their figure they are now considering to sell that whole Joker set and get less money for it it's just crazy to me but this J&D version I don't have to worry about even pursuing I'm good with the hot toys cuz that price is just crazy and insane
Inart started the whole joker thing ? Hmmm ok
@@somersfamilyfor recent times, but joker has been hot toys bread and butter for like a decade
Great video! I ordered the Hot Toys dx 32 version of The Joker, can't wait till it comes. For 1700 they could've given you a better base. The Hot Toys version is 350 dollars and has an awesome base.
I love Heath Ledger's version of The Joker. I got the Slideshow version of him sitting in the jail cell, his hands clapping.
The Hot Toys version of The Joker looks amazing. The details are spot on and you get a great base that tells a story about your figure.
I hope you were able to get your money back from the JND figure. Great video, keep up the good work!!
I think you made the smart choice!! Thanks for watching and supporting the channel good sir!
9:18 The only person dumber than the one who took that photo is the one that posted it. Wait, no the one who designed it that way. Wow.
I feel you bro, I cancelled two pre-orders at giantoys then ended up pre-ordering something two days later LOOOOOOL I'M SORRY!!!!!!!!
Hah way she goes. It's my own damn fault lol
Video was fine. Glad you dodged the bullet. As a fellow Canadian, I feel your conversion and VAT pain
Hah well hopefully I can make the next video go from Fine to Great :) def happy I dodged one but disappointed it wasn't miles better than competition for that price point. I would have still proceeded if I Loved the final outcome
Haha I saw a Jack Sparrow review, and it showed the price as $450. That's retail before shipping and I was like "how did we get to this!?" and that figure is less than half the price! I remember Will's video asking the public how much the figures should cost and they were a thinking these were a lot less than what we pay. What gets forgotten is the factory workers in china are incredibly underpaid, so it would be something if these prices came with a promise to pay the factory fairly, but we can't even guarantee that! As for Joker N Dogs, it's better than the prototype but not by much, and the head is not good, too big, too messy and the tailoring is mediocre just as you said. Worst thing is, even if this figure was PERFECT it's still made with silicone and we don't know how long that will even last with an articulated figure, because you're not supposed to touch it, lol. I hope they succeed, would be cool to see another 1/6 company, but this is not the dogs bollocks lol.
Hah well said bud! It would have had to be perfect and still would have been a dumb amount to spend hah but the fact that it's not miles better than competition is laughable for that amount then
I wouldn't pay that money even if it was the actual Heath Ledger. Set yourself a limit on figures and vehicles and don't go over no matter how good the figure is. If you start on that amount you'll do it again. I remember when I thought 150 was too much for a figure now too much is 300 lol so I stick to my limits otherwise you'll just keep paying more and losing more money. It's just plastic at the end of the day.
This was silicone and plastic but..... for that price I expected it to be miles better than the competition. Since it wasn't, it made no sense to keep. If I'd loved it, I would have kept it. But instead I'll go custom route
@TheBenThomasShow yeah for a custom money wise it's easier to swallow because it's not mass produced so I agree
100%
My god that custom one is by far the best one I've seen
It's insane eh!! I'm hoping the new 2.0 of that one is equally as amazing 👏
aw man. I was hoping you would review it just cause. But hey money is money.
Thanks for vid!
Sorry buddy but if lose more % on this than a new car rolling off the lot lol. I needed to LOVE it to justify a 2400 Canadian spend. I can take a week vacation for that lol. Priorities. Lost an nrd the size of a figure lol but excited for the custom sculpt now more instead 😀
@@TheBenThomasShow I totally understand lol
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Good topic. So much to consider, especially price vs. quality. I don't think any 1/6 scale figure is worth more than $350 -$550 max and the quality should be perfect regardless of price. I think you made a good call canceling. Also, that custom head sculpt is killer!
With kit you only lose your nrd. But I'd feel bad for kit who could lose a lot more. I've ordered via him and I won't cancel.... My mistake for ordering it.
But it will be a reminder to never buy a jnd product again. Let alone the issues with indiana jones with jnd lies which is my last statue (with them also)
Jnd deserve this.
whats the issue with their indiana jones statue? curious
Definitely sucks but also the risk we all take including the re sellers. Thanks for watching and supporting the show
Don’t blame you I canceled the Star Ace Rocky. I seen a few reviews that get them early & Damn that head portrait is total 💩.
Especially for the crazy ass price lol thanks gor watching and supporting the channel!!
@ I enjoy your content Ben keep up the good work
Thank you so much!! I'll try 🤗
I dont understand these 1/6 collectors who are upset about this. Tbh paying that much for a 1/6 is kinda their fault. Not to mention the production piece technically has better hair and the exact same face. The tailoring could be better...but NRD is a normal practice from companies charging that much. This is what us 1/3 collectors are very used to. Ive eaten multiple NRD over the years.
And for these collectors to be yelling about it is kinda hilarious. How about you dont pre order items obviously over priced?
Yes, it's our fault, we made that shity company make a crap figure and charge 2k for 1 figure with 2 dogs. Yes you got us...
@somersfamily you didn't have to pre order it 😅😅😅
I don't mind losing the NRD. It sucks but it's the gamble I took. JND changed their contract wording after people ordered so they would also take their deposit, not just NRD which is several $100 more than agreed. Also for the asking price, this needed to be miles better than competition and it's just not. So that's what people are frustrated about. Ordering thinking they would refine to the point of wowing everyone and it's just meh. I'll never order JND 1/6 again
@@TheBenThomasShow everyone keeps talking about this "contract" yet on their brand new items up for pre order it has the exact same old contract?? It's still only half. If the item ships you can't cancel it. But I'd like to see where jnd said that they are taking the whole deposit. Because I can't see it anywhere.
@Jax-Reviewz check justins collections stories on Instagram. He posted screen shots of all interactions there as proof
I love seeing new advances in 1/6 figures, the creativity behind JND seemed too expensive for a figure that is already saturated on the market …..just for a seamless articulation head sculpt? The likeness always seemed off to me…I don’t like seeing any company fail, I hope those you got this figure love it in hand….Ben that custom looks great , I really hope it looks as good in hand
I hope they don't fail either but something has to change. The price doesn't make sense for the offering. If this was 350-450 it would be a way more fun discussion and compassion
@ totally agree of the price range was lower, I think JND should have listened to complaints of the community and done the Nurse Joker and the Bank Robber Joker which many collectors have been asking for
1000%
A situation occurred where many users gave up their deposits.
Is this what JND wanted?
JND is way over rated. Their quality is not even close to the prices they are asking. I believe that all deposits should be refundable, since collectors honestly do not know what the final product will be when it gets shipped out. Studios that produce these items need to be upfront with their clients, sadly most patrons will be kept in the dark for months if not years before the final product ships. Why should collectors be the ones who eats a deposit cost if the final product does not compare to the prototype?
Agreed!!! I'll never risk nrd even with them again after this. Not worth it
Live in Toronto ! Have Artisan Joker on pre order from sideshow can’t wait for him to ship.
That's a much smarter choice!!
@@TheBenThomasShow for sure ! For the price of that joker I can get multiple artisan figures for that price. Have Anakin Skywalker, Ledger Joker, Phoenix Joker, Black Widow, Jack Sparrow & Tom Holland on pre order.
1000% better
Why did you cancel?? Cause Justin didn't like it?
Cause the final product is almost the same as the proto 😒
Watch the video 🤡 I was super clear on why lol
Not getting this, but I do think this is better than Hot Toys or Inart. It looks exactly like the prototype, so I don't understand all the hate this figure is getting.
That's the cool part about art. How you see it and I see it can be different. I think it looks worse than proto. But if this figure was in the hot toys- inart price range, I'd be more excited to compare which is Better. But this is price gouging. They said they'd smash inart out of the water. And have they? For nearly double the price of the inart 2 pack? The hate is for the value not aligning with the product. I'll never order jnd 1/6 again especially since I lost an NRD the size of a figure itself hah
Time to book an eye appointment 💀
This is really bad man...glad I invested in the artisian Joker..very happy with that..$600 US Well spent!
Agreed! I think that was a much more sensible route to go!
Just got both of mine in, very excited. Opening them tonight ❤
Unfortunately JND won't learn from this.
They want to be the Prada or Apple of 1/6, minus the quality.
Well said! Thanks for watching good sir
I guess it is based on their 1/3 statue.
For better and for worse lol
Sculpt alone sucks. The paint app was disgusting. Who pre ordered this?? Why would anyone preorder this. I NEVER pre order anything. I don't believe in giving the company money. If I have to pay a little scalper fee later, I'm fine with that. And yeah, that $700 joker sculpt is stupid. Because I was priced much cheaper than that for that same sculpt, man.
Lesson learned!
I'm glad im leaving the 1/6 world behind. Between the scammers, the disappointments, the lack of space, I'll continue collecting 1/20 and 1/35
Stick with sideshow or spec, and you won't get scammed
Dude, I think you need to change your monitor.
Yaaa unfortunately Stream yard messed up on me a bit today which made the feed a bit fuzzy! Hope you could still enjoy the video!
@ you missed my point.
@MoonBoy1991-i5j what is your point then
Sorry about your figure. Especially disappointing since you’re so invested in the character. 🥴🤡💩 2025 will have some great figures.. we just gotta be patient.
I'm excited for the custom! Just sucked wasting so much money on lost nrd here! Oh well I suppose
With that price you’re paying for a purebred dog lol
Haha omg true
JND is crazy with their prices and their business practices. After treating their customers badly no one will trust them or even buy from them for 1/6th figures. I think it was a good idea to cancel even though you lost money on it, it’s still better than losing more money by buying the figure you don’t want. Have a Happy New Year! 🎆
It's also not even just about the money. I needed to LOVE IT to justify that amount of money for 1.6th. I can take a vacation for 2400 hah or buy a lot more sixth scale i love more and go custom route. Happy new year as well good sir!
U 1/6 guys are nuts
It's true haha 🥜💪🏻
You cancelled but you lost some money too right?
Yes the nrd of $255 usd
I'm in the same boat Ben. I'm as annoyed with myself as I am JND. IMO, their figure is significantly worse than the rooted Inart and Hot Toys which I own.
That custom is incredible. Does the price you mentioned include the paint apps and rooting?
Yes paint and rooting! But ya annoyed with myself for being hopeful enough to order and then lose the equivalent of a whole figure in NRd
@@TheBenThomasShow like I said before, that sculpt is supposed to be less than $700. Do some research and ask people. Mine was going to be under $400 with a two-three month wait.
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@@sonderstudios6675 I think he was saying it's gonna be $700 cos he's Canadian and converting it from $500 usd. I could be mistaken though
Youre correct!!
the coat is not proportion and the pants is too loose
Unreal how bad this fig looks. Can't wait for my Artisan Joker from SideShow
So sad to see it good sir! I was hoping for something amazing for that price point
@@TheBenThomasShow the trust is gone with JND now. Like you said this fig had to be out of this world good for that price. Did they show the wrists that move or the fingers?
Nope they didn't!
You guys are not real movie fans,i only see figures no moviestuff Posters etc in your Videos 😅
You actually pre-ordered then cancel...and then make a video to give your excuse.
Well, he's not wrong. It looks like shite. I'd take a loss on 250 bucks to to not have this pos in my collection