To those who disagree that this is atmosphere powered, and instead human powered because I wind it up by hand, what about when I use the drill to wind it up? Is it now electrical powered? Or because that electrical power most likely came from a fossil fuel power station , is it now fossil fuel powered? Or because the energy in fossil fuels originally came from the sun, is it now solar powered? Do you also classify rubber band powered cars/planes as human powered? It's an endless circle of debate due to one simple law, the first law of thermodynamics, which states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. Thanks for watching!
Make it a submarine Tom! Put in whatever energy it takes to draw the vacuum, then drop it into a pool. Next rig it up to a propeller and I think you can figure out the rest. Technical caveat: if one pulls hard enough, the rubber plunger cap will pull off. This has many applications for offshore energy generation. Think of the thousands of pounds of pressure which deep water exerts. This should be explored.
"Atmosphere powered" strongly implies that it derives its power from the atmosphere, not that it uses the atmosphere as a temporary energy storage. It basically implies something like the Atmos Clock. "Rubber band powered" doesn't imply the same thing even though it is worded identically because it's obvious that there is no way to extract energy from a rubber band without putting energy in yourself first. With the atmosphere you can (admittedly it's a tiny amount but still).
What I'd be really interested in seeing would be a vacuum chamber large enough to disprove the "theory" (and I use that word very loosely in this context) that rockets can't work in a vacuum.
Your a very clever young man, talk about inspiration to young kids, everyone bangs on about footballers being roll models when it should be people like you, superb job.
That would only apply to a combustion engine. Low atmosphic change would charge the atmosphere car. Combustion on the other hand does not favour low pressure. Electric would be fine too. And solar works on sunny and cloudy days double to half, at any pressure... only the combustion suffers, at low pressure.
That chattering sounds like it's mostly just understeering to me... However cool it would be if it did actually drift 😅 Good luck recovering from that with your throttle literally stuck wide open.
Front wheels are not perfectly parallel, and with ruber they are fighting each other. He should put ruber only on one front wheel (for example right wheel if the turns are left), so the left wheel can slide a bit.
I love that you don't shy away from maths. This is how you learn something with practical use. Not videos that skim over the details for a nugget of information for the sake of not scaring off people who are averse to maths. Never change that about your channel.
@@FunnygalsproductionsAnd do we weigh more when the moon is underneath? And what about the sun? Do I weigh less at midday in the tropics than at 6 o'clock or more at 12 midnight? Can Tom 3D print an engine that uses this differential? Good question ;)
@@Funnygalsproductions According to my calculations, a person of 100 kg would produce approximately 0.3 fewer grams of force (3 milli-newtons) with the moon overhead. In other words a normal breath (0.5 grams) is more than the force of the moon (but, that same breath would have almost no net effect on the scales, again due to the buoyant force).
An interesting fact for sure. But, given that the majority of scales that are used to measure people with are accurate to within a single kilogram to at best 100 grams, that's well within the margin of measurement error. XD Add in the errors introduced by wearing clothing which can add anything from 500 grams to 5+ kilograms, and unless you're willing to go naked, or weigh your clothes separately is a value that has to be estimated, and you can definitely assume that most attempts at weighing a human being have a margin for error of several kilograms. Plus the weight of a human being can fluctuate quite quickly - going to the toilet for instance can cause the loss of 3-500 grams at least, and eating or drinking something... Well, everything you eat doesn't just magically vanish, so that can add hundreds of grams to a kilogram or more in a short space of time. For that matter, height is equally variable. - given the effects of gravity a person tends to be taller in the morning after getting up than in the evening, and the variation possible in a single day is in the order of 5 cm of height difference. Which in effect means that giving your height accurate to a single centimetre is actually meaningless and only kind of an average. (for those playing along with Imperial units that means a person's height fluctuates by about 2 inches in any given day.) OK, so the range in which it fluctuates is fairly stable, but it's still a pretty large amount of variability relative to how tall a person typically is...
Your parallel steering geometry is causing the front tires to fight each other in the corners (inside tire follows a tighter radius curve so it needs to turn more) which is really slowing it down. That's why the rear started spinning out initially. Look up "Ackerman steering geometry". This is a fundamental requirement of all vehicles with two front wheels/tires that turn independently (unlike the classic wagon where front tires are attached to a common axle).
see at 6:00 and after. the front wheels have each their own axle. but the hint for "Ackerman" is right. as a first approximation, the steering rod connection points should head towards the rear wheel rather than being rectangular to the wheel axle. the vehicle is relatively long so the deviation might not be that much - still it could make a noticeable difference. the other thing that brought control loss in was definitely the hard and slippery grounds. that sees already best compensation with soft rubber gum wheels and extra weight. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ackermann_steering_geometry
11:47 DEJA VU I've just been in this place before Higher on the street And I know it's my time to go Calling you, and the search is a mystery Standing on my feet It's so hard when I try to be me!!! It's actually drifting xDDD
His front wheels also turned the same angle in a curve even though the outside wheel has to turn less far than the inner wheel so it starts to slip sideways
@@manitoba-op4jx ye but its next level when you manage to understeer and oversteer at the same time and I see that he was using some tiny Scandinavian flicks to turn that was pretty cheeky
Arguably, the string being thicker at the start is a good think because it reduces the gear ratio, making the car accelerate faster, but then later on when the car's going fast, the gear ratio is lower and the car can go overall faster. Like how in your real car, you would start accelerating in gear 1, not 5 because you have more acceleration, but you'd go down the motorway in gear 5, not 1 because you can go faster.
I honestly got goosebumps from the 2018 compilation haha, so many projects I had forgotten about and you have come a long way. Thanks for all these videos Tom.
They way you play is giving me great ideas on how to connect with students who did not get the same play that I did. Most of my play (learning through doing) was by tinkering with manufactured products that were either broken or discarded. Your play seems like a reboot of the world where less is know about manufacturing methods so as not to cloud one's creative abilities by realities. New tools, new ideas, but it's the same physics and the same results. Love it! Keep up the great play!
Great stuff Tom! Much more interesting to me than a “mouse trap” car, and one is less likely to get “nailed” by the mouse trap when it inadvertently slams shut” Just had a thought about a possible “next level” experiment: would winding the string on a cone shaped drum improve the speed toward the end of the run? If I had the time I would propose to run a spread-sheet calculation to study the parameters. The idea would be to initially wrap the string around the large end of the conical drum and then work toward the small end as windings are added. It seems to me that this would increase the “average” moment arm length for the string, thus increasing the torque on the shaft as it unwinds. A spread sheet would allow evaluating various changes in the geometry to maximize the average torque on the shaft as the “motor” unwinds. It might also uncover a major flaw in my thinking, but it wouldn’t be the first time that happened! Thanks for all your interesting work! Al
Hi Tom, nice video, ta. If you have a moment.... I'm befuddled by the first bit of physics 1. Force on piston equals atmospheric pressure times cross sectional area, yup. 2. Ergo force is independent of extension, yup. 3. Weight hanging from piston reaches equilibrium at a certain extension Oh dear... it can't unless it requires less force to get it that far and more force to get it further, there would be no equilibrium point. So... amend point 1 to force equals F1 minus F2, where F1 is due to atmosphere (constant irrespective of extension) and F2 due to the residual air in the syringe when "fully closed" . Now as you pull the plunger F2 decreases until equilibrium is achieved. Fine. Now what's bothering me is that if i simply made a very snug fitting piston in a very long cylinder I would have a lab grade vacuum pump?? Hope your Christmas is in a nice atmosphere and free from pressure.
So I've been thinking and I'm only guessing based on theory. But if you were to follow Boyle’s Law, where P1V1 = P2V2 (Pressure1 x Volume1 = Pressure2 x Volume2), and V1 = 0, then P2V2 = 0, so P2 = 0? Does that make sense? Hahaha love those puns! I hope you have a great Christmas too!! (yeah I couldn't think of any puns)
@@TomStantonEngineering I just finished physics course of that thing on my junior year in finnish high school and it was lots of fun! I haven't thought about that force thing at all... What if you got that cylinder and made the piston divide it into two individual spaces, other having no air like in that test, and other having normal air pressure when piston is fully closed? That would give much more force, there would be vacuum pulling and high pressure pushing the piston.
There are several potential real world issues not covered by Tom's maths (so as to not confuse the bejebus out of people I suspect) and there are two issues which are easily understood but not easily calculated. 1 There is not a perfect vacuum in the syringe so even though the force does not change by much over the length of the draw it does change a little. 2 The reason for the issue with the vacuum is that for example water vapour sticks to the surface of pretty much anything at atmospheric pressure (Cody's lab discusses this to some extent) due to several things including van der waals forces. That tiny amount of water outgasses as the pressure drops meaning an equilibrium has to be reached as the water vapour pressure in effect increases.
@@gordonlawrence4749 This isn't like a vacuum pump that progressively tries to evacuate an already full chamber containing humid air - the syringe starts with all the air expelled, apart from a tiny bit left in the nozzle. So, theoretically you could achieve a virtually perfect vacuum if the initial volume is 0.
@@TomStantonEngineering Well that's not really the whole picture; Boyle's law should hold for any extention along the way. Halfway through, p*V should also be 0, while none of both p nore V are 0. Ergo, problem. I think this can't be modelled as a mere force-pressure problem, but more like a pneumatic spring via Hooke's law: in equilibrium, weight=k*extention. No idea what k would be, but hey, at least it doesn't return 0 :p PS: You could calculate k via reverse engineering it: w=1.25kg*9.81N/kg=12.26N; d=0.045m. Therefore: k=w/d=272.5N/m, which might be plausible but might as well be of by miles.
Hey Tom! Nice video, cool idea to use the pressure gradiant to power the car! I noticed one quirk though in your calculation for the total work the syringe would produce when allowing atmospheric pressure to push the piston back to it's original position. Originally, there is some air in the syringe (a small amount!). Then when you pull the piston as you say the pressure of that air volume decreases since as you say the volume increases. The absolute pressure of the air in the syringe is inversely proportional to the distance by which the piston is pulled. What produces the force on the piston is as you say the resultant pressure distributed over the area of the piston. That resultant pressure is the difference between the atmospheric pressure (nearly constant over the small time frame during which the piston contracts), and the pressure of the gas inside the syringe which varies with the position of the piston. Hence the total work is not produced by the force of atmospheric pressure alone, but the differential pressure and it varies with piston displacement. I am a big fan of your projects keep going :) your engine projects are very cool!!
This is only the second one of your videos I’ve seen and I can say one thing without a doubt: YOU Sir, are a damn GEEK! Just like me. Love your videos man.
Hey Tom, great work again. However, I think you should have mentioned that the force is actually not constant but a function of distance, changing with changing pressure difference between the inside and the outside of the syringe. Best, Joe
As I see it it's not just atmospheric pressure alone that drive this little car it is the stored energy from you pulling against the syringe. Great videoes keep them coming.
Seems to work really well. However, those front wheels create a lot of friction on the axle, causing a loss of energy. I would recommend fixing them tighter and with small bearings that you can salvage from old harddisks, those have incredibly smooth tiny bearings in them that spin with very low resistance. Because the wheels are wobbling from left to right they kind of 'pinch' the axle a bit causing more friction. If you add these bearings, the car will be a little bit heavier, but you can compensate by 3D-printing a clamping axle instead of using a metal nail to fix the front wheels and you can add some weight to the big wheel so it doesn't slip as much. One more thing, try to make the front wheels as thin as possible and use a tiny amount of hot glue (smear out with a piece of silicon rubber). This will give a friction surface too, and now you can make the surface superthin so it has less contact with the ground.
I think this was more of a "proof of concept".. The bearings you mentioned in harddisks was very useful to me though, I have plenty of old dead ones that I could salvage, cheers!
Marinus I had the same thoughts when I saw those wobbly front wheels. Using 💿 player bearings is brilliant! I’m sure it would work very well leaving the back wheel grip as the remaining issue. Thanks for sharing!
@@Conservator. Hi Eduard, just make sure you use Harddisk bearings instead of CD drive bearings haha ;) Small difference. I use them for small hobby projects when the HDD has 4 pins. I normally only use the 4-pin HDD motors as a motor for a small project so the ones with 5 pins I take apart and salvage the bearings from.
@@RCinginSC Energy is never lost, it's just spread out more along the universe. But to stay within the scope of this project: the friction of the wheels is a big energy eater for the car. Friction with the ground, as well as the friction of the wheel and the axis.
I'm starting MechE in university soon and I watch these videos for motivation and the science behind all the things I may learn. Truly awesome to see. I hope that one day I can learn the principles I'll need to design my own projects.
2:53 interesting time save: pressure = energy (or work) / volume. Energy being *raw thermal energy* for a gas. So you could have multiplied the pressure of air by the volume of the vacuum you created in one step.
interesting idea, to really take advantage of the hydrostastic pressure of water it would need to be more of a submarine, few inches of water just wont provide enough pressure.
@@Sikorsky66 i will say though that even a few inches of water on a surface the size of a door will make quite the force. you just need a larger piston (of course that will increase drag, especially in water.
Very glad i came across your channel. So often you see these channels show off cool technology, or ideas, without ever diving into the science of it. You take the time to make sure the principles behind the ideas are explained, every step of the away. Love that yearly recap you did there at the end. Looking forward to seeing how this channel will grow in 2019
First, look up drifting cars on RUclips. Second, conservation of energy. When drawn out, that syringe is potential energy. That energy has to be transferred into the syringe somehow. Drill, hand, whatever, it's all transfer of energy made possible by atmospheric pressure. Love your videos!!
Gorm Auslander the problem with atmospheric potentio-storage is that compared to other types of similar storage, it is impractical. However, I can see potential if used in conjunction with atmospheric descent/ascension. Take the kinetic electromagnetic suspension dynamo battery: can hold insane amounts of energy with minimal loss, but is not useable on anything that moves. The greatest advantages to atmospheric batteries would be extreme cheapness and simplicity.
Great idea! If you ever revisit this car you could improve it by getting rid of the string on the second reduction stage and use a gear or a belt instead. You could also get rid of that giant wheel in the back in favour of something smaller, to increase stability during turns and eliminate that jitter. Keep up the good work! Subscribed!
That is really neat it is basically an Atmospheric battery. You store the energy in the syringe though any number of methods and then the energy is released turning the wheels. It is really neat :)
Yes, however there is a limit to how small a gear can be before the teeth can't handle the torque and this will therefore limit how small the larger gear could be. I think the smallest gear I've been able to 3D print with a decent tooth definition is about 18mm in diameter, which would mean I'd need a pulley 700mm in diameter for the first stage (instead of the current 150mm) and a rear wheel 750mm in diameter (instead of current 170mm). So using the string/pulley method helps keep everything more compact and simple.
You should have used some gears instead of the string, firstly you don't have the mess of the string, you can create an even greater gear reduction for a much higher overdrive and also less hassle with the diameter of the rear wheels shaft changing as the string winds up. Possibly something for a follow up video? I'd also advise making the front wheels wider and also trying caster angle, it's turning ability will greatly increase.
If you think about it, because the string wrapped around the Axle makes it increase in diameter, the gear ratio changes to shorter, giving it more torque to the wheels. So because it has more torque from a stop, it should take off quicker, and as it drives, the string unwraps. This makes a taller gear ratio giving at a higher top speed. In conclusion, the string wrap around causes a quicker and more torqueyer launch, and a high top speed. You just made a constantly variable transmission (cvt). Sorry for the mass amount of words. Great video! 👍🏻
Hi! This project interested me and I'm making it for my school project, but i need some meaning of this car for science or human. Do you have any idea?
A moment is actually slightly different from work. A moment is force x perpendicular distance from a pivot. Imagine the force you apply to a wrench, multiplied by the length of the wrench. Whereas work is force x distance it's applied. Imagine the force you apply to push a car a certain distance. Hope this helps!! Thanks
@@redsquirrelftw they do work and can run until the mechanism breaks! The channel "British Museum" has a great little series on clocks. I think it was on one of those videos that a guy showed an atmospheric clock. Imagine inflating a balloon in a warm room. Overnight the temperature drops, the ballon shrinks. Next day it warms up and the balloon swells. Attach a lever and a precision ratchet to wind a light mainspring. Bingo! It uses air pressure variation to wind itself up. No good for centrally heated homes, but they were made in the old days. Amazing.
I used a similar idea when designing a mouse trap car for my highschool physics class. And I figured out that instead of running a string from the drive pulley to the rear wheel it is easier to essentially make a belt out of string. The way you do this, you have a small pulley on the rear wheel axle and a obviously the drive axle. Then you take a piece of string and put it over those pulley like a belt and twist the string and pull it as tight as you can, then you super glue where the twist is to keep the tension, it works surprisingly well and then you don't have the problem of the diameter of the shaft being increased and it is significantly easier to wind up.
I take your hmm and raise you another hmm. It's actually solar powered, via the food that Tom ate to power his muscles in winding it up. The rest is just temporary energy storage, using the tugging of gravity on all them bits of air out there to push the piston back in.
@@lio1234234 ta for the response Elliott, I agree with what you said. I think that "atmosphere powered" is a reasonable name for this. My comment was playful. I'm sure you don't need telling that there are other contexts where it is important to trace through a bit. Electric cars are advertised as zero emissions irrespective of whether the owner recharges the batteries from hydro or coal fired. In that case the difference between the two ways that solar energy is captured and released is mightily significant. So I don't quite agree with tom saying, in effect, that it's useless circular argument. Though in the context of this toy car, yeah, it's insignificant.
The back wheel might have also been jumping from the slight bumps in the tile, and amplifying that with the wheel speeding up and slowing rapidly once it regained contact with the ground.
A German automotive engineer here, there is a lot wrong with this: It makes much more sense to contract the syringe because the maximum pressure you have otherwise is just the atmospheric pressure. Its like hydraulics first lecture. Furthermore, the power that can be used to drive is variable over the stroke and tends towards 0 when the internal pressure is equal to atmospheric pressure, so in order to get your Power integrate F=(p0-p(s))*V(s) to stroke s. Just make a free body sketch from the syringe. Please dont spread false knowledge. Just call the video "making a pneumatic battery from a syringe (in the wrong way)"
British aerospace engineer here: I explained why I chose to expand the syringe rather than contract it. Expanding it applies a 'more constant' force (obviously not constant due to it not being a perfect vacuum, as explained when I hung the weight from it) on the system which is easier to manage. The calculations were carried out in high school detail to help with convey the theory, therefore it was assumed there was a perfect vacuum. Using P1V1 = P2V2... if P1 = 0 --> P2 = 0, therefore theoretically, if there is a perfect vacuum, the force is constant.
@@TomStantonEngineering P1V1 = P2V2 is an isothermic assumption, which is alright (id prefer isentropic because the temperature decreases when expanding but ok) but as you know from thermodynamics using the ideal gas law and integrating: The volume change work released in your process would be W=-m*Ri*T*ln(V2/V1), and not just W=p_atm*A*s It´s just wrong mate Let me calculate an example for you: Assumptions: T=293K, Ri_air=287J/kg*K, Density at Point 2=1,3kg/m^3 -> m_air=1,3*10^-6kg Before) V1=20ml=2*10^-5m^3, p1=1bar=10^5(relative to the outside) After) V2=1ml, p2=0bar, absolute pressure is then 1bar We get W = 0,327J You on the other hand assumed that we can mechanically use the entirety of the hydraulic energy stored, which is W = p_atm*V1 = 2J, which is a completely wrong assumption because its actually W = integral of (p_atm-p_system(s))*V(s). If you remember thermodynamics: this is the volume change work, W=-integral of p*dV So congratulations, in this case you would be off by 512%
@@ch98hb I didnt follow your calculation but isnt toms assumption based on the atmosphere volume being almost infinitely huge while the syringe volume is a tiny tiny fraction of it so the force coming from the atmosphere is constant because atmospheric pressure will change by an amount so small its even impossible to measure... It makes total sense to me what he did. Or did I completely miss your point? Seems like you ignored the fact that he pulled a vacuum instead of pressurizing it. So even if made a syringe 100 times longer the atmospheric pressure and therefore the force would be the same as with the small syringe over the entire length of the syringe
Most interesting physics demonstrations that you are doing, this helps every day, less educated people gain an interest in physics and want to learn more,,thank you, I think you are a great teacher. ❤ it.
I manufacture a range of air admittance valves which I designed for the plumbing industry. I often get asked how they work and I have to explain they work by atmospheric pressure. The way I explain, I say if you are drinking a drink from a glass with a straw you are not really sucking the drink up. You are creating negative pressure in your mouth , in turn the atmospheric pressure pushes the drink up the straw in to your mouth as its trying to equalise the pressure ( high pressure goes to low pressure ) as you explained in your video.
I'm so glad you use that formula for work. It's the same one I was using when explaining my employees (programmers) their wages for their work; namely since the distance their fingers travelled and forces they were exerting while they were typing was minuscule, they couldn't expect much bigger wages, could they!? You can't fight the science and call yourself an educated man! Much less an engineer!
This is genius! I wish I had known this in my kinematics/dynamics class as we were given the challenge to make a miniature car propelled by any means other than electricity. We went for a tiny mousetrap car, but this looks more compact and controlled. I'd love to try to make one.
Excellent project. Don't entertain the naysayers, you are 100 times smarter than most people watching your videos. I know you are a lot smarter than me. Keep up the good work. I enjoy watching and learning from your vids. Thanks.
Suggestion: *Ribbon* instead of string. It's flatness allows it to wrap tighter around the axle, while the width gives it strength. Ribbon is very cheap on ebay. Oh also if you're going to add weight, attach that weight to the spinning grip wheel itself - tada it's now a *flywheel* and it's rotational inertia will stop the "juddering".
awesome!! you should make a version that works off a rack an pinion that pushes out of the syringe and gearing down from there, possibly using two big syringes linked together, making it easier to reset and more reliable torque! that would be super cool to see, and you could take it outside and see how far you could go on the sidewalk or something.
It's gratifying to see "pressure differential" getting some credit for a change, rather than the illusion of "suction". Suction cups sucking to the wall, getting sucked out of a damaged airplane, vacuum cleaners sucking up the dust, octopus tentacles sucking onto the fish etc. With all of these, "suction" is usually described as a pulling force --where such a force doesn't exist. As far as I know, the only pulling force in the Universe is magnetism. Correct me if I'm wrong. It might be interesting to see a video on the subject of "suction cups" to clear up some misconceptions about this gadget.
To those who disagree that this is atmosphere powered, and instead human powered because I wind it up by hand, what about when I use the drill to wind it up? Is it now electrical powered? Or because that electrical power most likely came from a fossil fuel power station , is it now fossil fuel powered? Or because the energy in fossil fuels originally came from the sun, is it now solar powered? Do you also classify rubber band powered cars/planes as human powered? It's an endless circle of debate due to one simple law, the first law of thermodynamics, which states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. Thanks for watching!
Wow what a smart reply
Oh btw first reply!!
the winding up of the car can use any power, but as long as what makes it go is air it is air powered
Make it a submarine Tom! Put in whatever energy it takes to draw the vacuum, then drop it into a pool. Next rig it up to a propeller and I think you can figure out the rest. Technical caveat: if one pulls hard enough, the rubber plunger cap will pull off.
This has many applications for offshore energy generation. Think of the thousands of pounds of pressure which deep water exerts. This should be explored.
"Atmosphere powered" strongly implies that it derives its power from the atmosphere, not that it uses the atmosphere as a temporary energy storage. It basically implies something like the Atmos Clock. "Rubber band powered" doesn't imply the same thing even though it is worded identically because it's obvious that there is no way to extract energy from a rubber band without putting energy in yourself first. With the atmosphere you can (admittedly it's a tiny amount but still).
Send me one: i'll test it out in my big vacuum chamber. I already know what's going to happen but it'd be a quick demonstration.
I'm pretty sure absolutely nothing would happen or, depending on the vacuum in the syringe, it might pop the plunger out would be interesting to see.
What I'd be really interested in seeing would be a vacuum chamber large enough to disprove the "theory" (and I use that word very loosely in this context) that rockets can't work in a vacuum.
Sure Cody! I can send one to your UPS box? Any maximum size constraints to fit your vacuum chamber?
Cody'sLab yay cody is here
Is there an update to this? :P
Your a very clever young man, talk about inspiration to young kids, everyone bangs on about footballers being roll models when it should be people like you, superb job.
knoxieman His job is my dream
Roll model is very right.
Heck I'm 32 and I'm inspired. :P
*role
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‘Sorry, boss I can’t come to work today....car won’t start....atmospheric pressure too low.
We need a real one
Legitimate reason
lol
That would only apply to a combustion engine. Low atmosphic change would charge the atmosphere car.
Combustion on the other hand does not favour low pressure. Electric would be fine too. And solar works on sunny and cloudy days double to half, at any pressure... only the combustion suffers, at low pressure.
its not just wheel spin. its drifting
Insert Tokyo Drift music XD
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Deja vu
That chattering sounds like it's mostly just understeering to me... However cool it would be if it did actually drift 😅
Good luck recovering from that with your throttle literally stuck wide open.
Front wheels are not perfectly parallel, and with ruber they are fighting each other. He should put ruber only on one front wheel (for example right wheel if the turns are left), so the left wheel can slide a bit.
I love that you don't shy away from maths. This is how you learn something with practical use. Not videos that skim over the details for a nugget of information for the sake of not scaring off people who are averse to maths. Never change that about your channel.
Fun fact, you are about 80 grams heavier than a scale would measure you, due to the buoyant force of the air you displace.
Are you calling me fat?!? :D
Cameron Sours do we weigh less when the moon is overhead?
@@FunnygalsproductionsAnd do we weigh more when the moon is underneath? And what about the sun? Do I weigh less at midday in the tropics than at 6 o'clock or more at 12 midnight? Can Tom 3D print an engine that uses this differential? Good question ;)
@@Funnygalsproductions According to my calculations, a person of 100 kg would produce approximately 0.3 fewer grams of force (3 milli-newtons) with the moon overhead. In other words a normal breath (0.5 grams) is more than the force of the moon (but, that same breath would have almost no net effect on the scales, again due to the buoyant force).
An interesting fact for sure.
But, given that the majority of scales that are used to measure people with are accurate to within a single kilogram to at best 100 grams, that's well within the margin of measurement error. XD
Add in the errors introduced by wearing clothing which can add anything from 500 grams to 5+ kilograms, and unless you're willing to go naked, or weigh your clothes separately is a value that has to be estimated, and you can definitely assume that most attempts at weighing a human being have a margin for error of several kilograms.
Plus the weight of a human being can fluctuate quite quickly - going to the toilet for instance can cause the loss of 3-500 grams at least, and eating or drinking something...
Well, everything you eat doesn't just magically vanish, so that can add hundreds of grams to a kilogram or more in a short space of time.
For that matter, height is equally variable. - given the effects of gravity a person tends to be taller in the morning after getting up than in the evening, and the variation possible in a single day is in the order of 5 cm of height difference.
Which in effect means that giving your height accurate to a single centimetre is actually meaningless and only kind of an average. (for those playing along with Imperial units that means a person's height fluctuates by about 2 inches in any given day.)
OK, so the range in which it fluctuates is fairly stable, but it's still a pretty large amount of variability relative to how tall a person typically is...
Nick Tesla: "My car has 250 horse power"
Me: "Mine has 250 syringe power"
*atmosphere power*
I'll let myself out
That’d mean there are live horses powering your car. Uh oh
@@diamondtermite2187 you still use horses to power your car? I assume its very expensive.
That gave me so many ideas!! Very cool seeing that working so well!!
IVAN love what you do mate!
Atmosphere powered tank! Haha
@@localsms Thanks!!
@@TomStantonEngineering There's a challenge...
Guys Tom Stanton Ivan Miranda you are great inspiration,keep up the good work! :D
8:53 - maybe using gears instead of strings on the 2 wheels could eliminate the increase in diameter.
or belts, belts a easier to implement
I'd build it out of legos, it'd be heavier and need more gear.. stages? But it would work
Had the same idea I had
Your parallel steering geometry is causing the front tires to fight each other in the corners (inside tire follows a tighter radius curve so it needs to turn more) which is really slowing it down. That's why the rear started spinning out initially.
Look up "Ackerman steering geometry". This is a fundamental requirement of all vehicles with two front wheels/tires that turn independently (unlike the classic wagon where front tires are attached to a common axle).
petition to have him build another, more efficient and stream lined version
Sharpe guy, thank you.
@@Butterkin make the Bugatti of syringe cars, 16 cylinders
see at 6:00 and after. the front wheels have each their own axle.
but the hint for "Ackerman" is right. as a first approximation, the steering rod connection points should head towards the rear wheel rather than being rectangular to the wheel axle. the vehicle is relatively long so the deviation might not be that much - still it could make a noticeable difference.
the other thing that brought control loss in was definitely the hard and slippery grounds. that sees already best compensation with soft rubber gum wheels and extra weight.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ackermann_steering_geometry
He should've gone with a rubber band on the outside front only.
“The diameter of the shaft has increased by a lot!”
-Tom Stanton
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pp joke
Ingeneers when they finaly get a social life afger their long studies :
13:18 Tom turned into his "spirit animal" for a second there
Haha I noticed that too. Random cat paw lol.
haha i thought it was him
That's a fantastic demonstration of physics, engineering, and innovation! I'm glad I subscribed and can't wait to see more. :)
11:47 DEJA VU
I've just been in this place before
Higher on the street
And I know it's my time to go
Calling you, and the search is a mystery
Standing on my feet It's so hard when I try to be me!!!
It's actually drifting xDDD
This coment deserves more likes, SOLID 10/10
Waaaaaaah!
Onin D. Bruh you waluigi
"Tom Learns about Understeer"
Explain?
His front wheels also turned the same angle in a curve even though the outside wheel has to turn less far than the inner wheel so it starts to slip sideways
@@manitoba-op4jx ye but its next level when you manage to understeer and oversteer at the same time and I see that he was using some tiny Scandinavian flicks to turn that was pretty cheeky
And then oversteer in the next scene when it's spinning rear tire around corners
Always look forward to your projects. Looking forward to whatever you get up to in the new year. Enjoy the hols!
Thanks! You too!
I would recommend using a rubber band instead of string for the transfer from the middle wheel to the rear wheel
So... can you make it fly?
I believe he has done it already, can't really remember if it was him or some other youtuber.
@@pauliusgaivenis2665 I think you mean the air pressure engine,right?
Do I sense a Peter Sripol collab?
That's roughly how some Air Hogs planes work, albeit with the opposite pressure
@Skott yeah judging from that video I think it is possible
Arguably, the string being thicker at the start is a good think because it reduces the gear ratio, making the car accelerate faster, but then later on when the car's going fast, the gear ratio is lower and the car can go overall faster. Like how in your real car, you would start accelerating in gear 1, not 5 because you have more acceleration, but you'd go down the motorway in gear 5, not 1 because you can go faster.
But in case of this atmosphere powered car, the distance with ratio closer to 1 will decrease the range.
I honestly got goosebumps from the 2018 compilation haha, so many projects I had forgotten about and you have come a long way. Thanks for all these videos Tom.
Subscribed after watching the compilation. I'd forgotten how many of these I watched.
They way you play is giving me great ideas on how to connect with students who did not get the same play that I did. Most of my play (learning through doing) was by tinkering with manufactured products that were either broken or discarded. Your play seems like a reboot of the world where less is know about manufacturing methods so as not to cloud one's creative abilities by realities. New tools, new ideas, but it's the same physics and the same results. Love it! Keep up the great play!
Next day on facebook: "Will future cars be powered by atmospheric energy?"
"Did a young man accidentally discover the future of transportation?"
"the energy problems are solved!"
Facebook in a nutshell.
There's already a vacuum energy meme. As in, virtual particles are always popping in and out of existence in the vacuum.
That's NOT atmospheric energy, it's simply a ay to store energy. The same energy YOU spend by creating a pressure differential...
Great stuff Tom! Much more interesting to me than a “mouse trap” car, and one is less likely to get “nailed” by the mouse trap when it inadvertently slams shut”
Just had a thought about a possible “next level” experiment: would winding the string on a cone shaped drum improve the speed toward the end of the run?
If I had the time I would propose to run a spread-sheet calculation to study the parameters.
The idea would be to initially wrap the string around the large end of the conical drum and then work toward the small end as windings are added. It seems to me that this would increase the “average” moment arm length for the string, thus increasing the torque on the shaft as it unwinds.
A spread sheet would allow evaluating various changes in the geometry to maximize the average torque on the shaft as the “motor” unwinds. It might also uncover a major flaw in my thinking, but it wouldn’t be the first time that happened!
Thanks for all your interesting work!
Al
Hi Tom, nice video, ta. If you have a moment.... I'm befuddled by the first bit of physics
1. Force on piston equals atmospheric pressure times cross sectional area, yup.
2. Ergo force is independent of extension, yup.
3. Weight hanging from piston reaches equilibrium at a certain extension
Oh dear... it can't unless it requires less force to get it that far and more force to get it further, there would be no equilibrium point. So... amend point 1 to force equals F1 minus F2, where F1 is due to atmosphere (constant irrespective of extension) and F2 due to the residual air in the syringe when "fully closed" . Now as you pull the plunger F2 decreases until equilibrium is achieved. Fine. Now what's bothering me is that if i simply made a very snug fitting piston in a very long cylinder I would have a lab grade vacuum pump??
Hope your Christmas is in a nice atmosphere and free from pressure.
So I've been thinking and I'm only guessing based on theory. But if you were to follow Boyle’s Law, where P1V1 = P2V2 (Pressure1 x Volume1 = Pressure2 x Volume2), and V1 = 0, then P2V2 = 0, so P2 = 0? Does that make sense? Hahaha love those puns! I hope you have a great Christmas too!! (yeah I couldn't think of any puns)
@@TomStantonEngineering I just finished physics course of that thing on my junior year in finnish high school and it was lots of fun! I haven't thought about that force thing at all... What if you got that cylinder and made the piston divide it into two individual spaces, other having no air like in that test, and other having normal air pressure when piston is fully closed? That would give much more force, there would be vacuum pulling and high pressure pushing the piston.
There are several potential real world issues not covered by Tom's maths (so as to not confuse the bejebus out of people I suspect) and there are two issues which are easily understood but not easily calculated. 1 There is not a perfect vacuum in the syringe so even though the force does not change by much over the length of the draw it does change a little. 2 The reason for the issue with the vacuum is that for example water vapour sticks to the surface of pretty much anything at atmospheric pressure (Cody's lab discusses this to some extent) due to several things including van der waals forces. That tiny amount of water outgasses as the pressure drops meaning an equilibrium has to be reached as the water vapour pressure in effect increases.
@@gordonlawrence4749 This isn't like a vacuum pump that progressively tries to evacuate an already full chamber containing humid air - the syringe starts with all the air expelled, apart from a tiny bit left in the nozzle.
So, theoretically you could achieve a virtually perfect vacuum if the initial volume is 0.
@@TomStantonEngineering Well that's not really the whole picture; Boyle's law should hold for any extention along the way. Halfway through, p*V should also be 0, while none of both p nore V are 0. Ergo, problem.
I think this can't be modelled as a mere force-pressure problem, but more like a pneumatic spring via Hooke's law: in equilibrium, weight=k*extention. No idea what k would be, but hey, at least it doesn't return 0 :p
PS: You could calculate k via reverse engineering it: w=1.25kg*9.81N/kg=12.26N; d=0.045m. Therefore: k=w/d=272.5N/m, which might be plausible but might as well be of by miles.
Hey Tom! Nice video, cool idea to use the pressure gradiant to power the car! I noticed one quirk though in your calculation for the total work the syringe would produce when allowing atmospheric pressure to push the piston back to it's original position. Originally, there is some air in the syringe (a small amount!). Then when you pull the piston as you say the pressure of that air volume decreases since as you say the volume increases. The absolute pressure of the air in the syringe is inversely proportional to the distance by which the piston is pulled. What produces the force on the piston is as you say the resultant pressure distributed over the area of the piston. That resultant pressure is the difference between the atmospheric pressure (nearly constant over the small time frame during which the piston contracts), and the pressure of the gas inside the syringe which varies with the position of the piston. Hence the total work is not produced by the force of atmospheric pressure alone, but the differential pressure and it varies with piston displacement. I am a big fan of your projects keep going :) your engine projects are very cool!!
I can't help but wonder, is that car capable of doing right turns?
It is... but I'm not
@@TomStantonEngineering Glad you saw the humor in there. Merry Christmas mate.
Nope. NASCAR!
*_NEXT GEN NASCAR FOOTAGE REVEALED??? IT'S AMAZING?!?_*
No it's a NASCAR
This is only the second one of
your videos I’ve seen and I can say
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YOU Sir, are a damn GEEK!
Just like me. Love your videos man.
Hey Tom,
great work again. However, I think you should have mentioned that the force is actually not constant but a function of distance, changing with changing pressure difference between the inside and the outside of the syringe.
Best, Joe
As I see it it's not just atmospheric pressure alone that drive this little car it is the stored energy from you pulling against the syringe. Great videoes keep them coming.
I understand that you need a string to connect the syringe with the first pulley but could you not just use a belt to connect the wheel to the pulley?
Seconding this. The second string seems redundant when a belt can do that job.
I waited for your videos every week this year!
Wonderful channel!
Thanks a lot Tom
I feel bad for laughing when it went straight in the wall and unwounded completely 😂
This is just awesome! Looking forward to you projects in 2019
Seems to work really well. However, those front wheels create a lot of friction on the axle, causing a loss of energy. I would recommend fixing them tighter and with small bearings that you can salvage from old harddisks, those have incredibly smooth tiny bearings in them that spin with very low resistance. Because the wheels are wobbling from left to right they kind of 'pinch' the axle a bit causing more friction. If you add these bearings, the car will be a little bit heavier, but you can compensate by 3D-printing a clamping axle instead of using a metal nail to fix the front wheels and you can add some weight to the big wheel so it doesn't slip as much. One more thing, try to make the front wheels as thin as possible and use a tiny amount of hot glue (smear out with a piece of silicon rubber). This will give a friction surface too, and now you can make the surface superthin so it has less contact with the ground.
I think this was more of a "proof of concept".. The bearings you mentioned in harddisks was very useful to me though, I have plenty of old dead ones that I could salvage, cheers!
Marinus I had the same thoughts when I saw those wobbly front wheels. Using 💿 player bearings is brilliant! I’m sure it would work very well leaving the back wheel grip as the remaining issue. Thanks for sharing!
As long as as the rear wheel doesnt slip or spin in place , then no energy is lost.
@@Conservator. Hi Eduard, just make sure you use Harddisk bearings instead of CD drive bearings haha ;) Small difference. I use them for small hobby projects when the HDD has 4 pins. I normally only use the 4-pin HDD motors as a motor for a small project so the ones with 5 pins I take apart and salvage the bearings from.
@@RCinginSC Energy is never lost, it's just spread out more along the universe. But to stay within the scope of this project: the friction of the wheels is a big energy eater for the car. Friction with the ground, as well as the friction of the wheel and the axis.
I'm starting MechE in university soon and I watch these videos for motivation and the science behind all the things I may learn. Truly awesome to see. I hope that one day I can learn the principles I'll need to design my own projects.
2:53 interesting time save: pressure = energy (or work) / volume. Energy being *raw thermal energy* for a gas. So you could have multiplied the pressure of air by the volume of the vacuum you created in one step.
"What's left in the tank?"
-"Nothing."
"Great, let's go."
Make a syringe powered boat and put the syringe under water so that the force is greater , maybe ?
the force would be stronger but a very very little bit unless it is very deep in the water like 1km
interesting idea, to really take advantage of the hydrostastic pressure of water it would need to be more of a submarine, few inches of water just wont provide enough pressure.
@@Sikorsky66 i will say though that even a few inches of water on a surface the size of a door will make quite the force. you just need a larger piston (of course that will increase drag, especially in water.
Or submarine, the deeper in the water, the more force.
Even if it did have more force, wouldn't it be net neutral or even net negative due to the increased resistance and friction from the water?
Subscribed not just because of the projects but also for how much you genuinely look like your enjoying yourself. Keep up the good buddy. :D
Atmosphere powered drift car next Tom? 🤔😁
Have a great Christmas and a Happy New Year sunshine. Your projects always make me smile. ❤
Thanks Tom. Your channel is one of my favourite. Not just building because it's fun but also educational. Merry Christmas and see you in 2019
Tim station #1, enjoy your 2 week holiday slacker :P
Very glad i came across your channel. So often you see these channels show off cool technology, or ideas, without ever diving into the science of it. You take the time to make sure the principles behind the ideas are explained, every step of the away. Love that yearly recap you did there at the end. Looking forward to seeing how this channel will grow in 2019
Congratulations, this video taught me more about work than my actual physics class XD
First, look up drifting cars on RUclips. Second, conservation of energy. When drawn out, that syringe is potential energy. That energy has to be transferred into the syringe somehow. Drill, hand, whatever, it's all transfer of energy made possible by atmospheric pressure. Love your videos!!
Add more gears to both increase the speed and run time
Wont work well. Not enough energy released.
I think I’ve watched all your videos this year :) lots of cool projects & I’ve learnt a heap from your videos. Thanks... Highlights at end was cool :)
Ooh. From an engineering standpoint, this opens up a whole new can of worms. I will have to look into atmosphere energy storage.
Gorm Auslander the problem with atmospheric potentio-storage is that compared to other types of similar storage, it is impractical.
However, I can see potential if used in conjunction with atmospheric descent/ascension.
Take the kinetic electromagnetic suspension dynamo battery: can hold insane amounts of energy with minimal loss, but is not useable on anything that moves. The greatest advantages to atmospheric batteries would be extreme cheapness and simplicity.
As always, awesome video Tom. The compilation in the end was cool to watch
NANII!!?!!? ATMOSPHERIC DORIFTOO!!!
multi-pulley drifting!
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@@tomasferreira3415 i will ruin it into 70
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Great idea! If you ever revisit this car you could improve it by getting rid of the string on the second reduction stage and use a gear or a belt instead. You could also get rid of that giant wheel in the back in favour of something smaller, to increase stability during turns and eliminate that jitter. Keep up the good work! Subscribed!
"I'm trying to turn as smoothly as possible"
proceeds to drive in a square. :)
im p sure his steering was on/off so giv the man some credit
That is really neat it is basically an Atmospheric battery. You store the energy in the syringe though any number of methods and then the energy is released turning the wheels. It is really neat :)
Couldnt you use gears instead of rope and pulleys?
Yes, however there is a limit to how small a gear can be before the teeth can't handle the torque and this will therefore limit how small the larger gear could be. I think the smallest gear I've been able to 3D print with a decent tooth definition is about 18mm in diameter, which would mean I'd need a pulley 700mm in diameter for the first stage (instead of the current 150mm) and a rear wheel 750mm in diameter (instead of current 170mm). So using the string/pulley method helps keep everything more compact and simple.
@@TomStantonEngineering I guess that same problem also applies to a planetary gearbox?
You could skip the small gear by having a toothed shaft coming out the back of the syringe instead
Tom Stanton Have you tried a worm wheel setup, given that the syringe provides plenty of torque to overcome the friction of a worm wheel and pinion.
Blubberbub Yes but x100 ;-)
Wow Tom what an incredible year! Thanks for sharing.
Today I learned that Mr. Stanton's kitchen cabinet knobs are HUGE!
You should have used some gears instead of the string, firstly you don't have the mess of the string, you can create an even greater gear reduction for a much higher overdrive and also less hassle with the diameter of the rear wheels shaft changing as the string winds up. Possibly something for a follow up video? I'd also advise making the front wheels wider and also trying caster angle, it's turning ability will greatly increase.
Aagh! This is bringing back chilhood memories of my failings with physics.
If you think about it, because the string wrapped around the Axle makes it increase in diameter, the gear ratio changes to shorter, giving it more torque to the wheels. So because it has more torque from a stop, it should take off quicker, and as it drives, the string unwraps. This makes a taller gear ratio giving at a higher top speed. In conclusion, the string wrap around causes a quicker and more torqueyer launch, and a high top speed. You just made a constantly variable transmission (cvt). Sorry for the mass amount of words. Great video! 👍🏻
Hi! This project interested me and I'm making it for my school project, but i need some meaning of this car for science or human. Do you have any idea?
It was actually very satisfying seeing it go around in circles with no music
try driving it backwards that might reduce the amount of wheelspin
In The Explanation Of Work And Force And Distance, The Word You Use For Work Is Actually "Moments" I Learned This Last Week In School!
A moment is actually slightly different from work. A moment is force x perpendicular distance from a pivot. Imagine the force you apply to a wrench, multiplied by the length of the wrench. Whereas work is force x distance it's applied. Imagine the force you apply to push a car a certain distance. Hope this helps!! Thanks
So you made a clockwork. Just add escapement and hands to make the clock complete.
You know this could totally work, atmosphere powered clock! Wonder how long it could run for.
This! An atmospheric powered clock!
@@redsquirrelftw they do work and can run until the mechanism breaks! The channel "British Museum" has a great little series on clocks. I think it was on one of those videos that a guy showed an atmospheric clock. Imagine inflating a balloon in a warm room. Overnight the temperature drops, the ballon shrinks. Next day it warms up and the balloon swells. Attach a lever and a precision ratchet to wind a light mainspring. Bingo! It uses air pressure variation to wind itself up. No good for centrally heated homes, but they were made in the old days. Amazing.
@@raykent3211 i bet one of those would work in my home ~5F variation every day, and if placed in the correct location more than that.
NIce work Tom! I like the idea of the syringe also being used as a fuel gauge. Merry Christmas!
You could just have made a pulley system (like a heavy lifting crane) instead of that giant primary.
You're a source of inspiration ! Good continuation from France !
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I got chills by watching that dry marker write. ouch.
What if you used dental floss? Seams like that may work better.
I don't know about you, but the dental floss I've seen is kind of like plumber's tape and would stretch and break easily.
@@SuperFrodo95 The dental floss I know is very resistant to stretching and tearing. Where are you from?
uummmm. Dentil floss can be ripped with a single tug on blunt metal, I don’t think that is very resistant to tearing.
fishing line. There are 1.5 mm monofilament fishing lines that can withstand roughly 200 lbs of tension force.
*smells minty*
Seems that the rear wheel itself needs the additional weight. I absolutely love your videos man.
Imagine one of those things on venus.They would go on forever
Congrats on a great year of projects as well as Subscribers !!!! Glad I found your channel.. you are awesome !!!
Have the same struggle owning a 400hp car, very hard to keep the wheels stick to the ground lol.
I used a similar idea when designing a mouse trap car for my highschool physics class. And I figured out that instead of running a string from the drive pulley to the rear wheel it is easier to essentially make a belt out of string. The way you do this, you have a small pulley on the rear wheel axle and a obviously the drive axle. Then you take a piece of string and put it over those pulley like a belt and twist the string and pull it as tight as you can, then you super glue where the twist is to keep the tension, it works surprisingly well and then you don't have the problem of the diameter of the shaft being increased and it is significantly easier to wind up.
Me: whatchu mean, B?
Tom: * explains it *
Me: okay, but still, *whatchu mean?*
Watching Tom skitter across the tile in his kitchen gives me more joy than I thought it would.
Hmm. It's actually a gravity powered car🤔
I take your hmm and raise you another hmm. It's actually solar powered, via the food that Tom ate to power his muscles in winding it up. The rest is just temporary energy storage, using the tugging of gravity on all them bits of air out there to push the piston back in.
Ray Kent OO yes. I didn’t think of that😄
@@raykent3211 Have a look at my comments under Tom's first comment. I talk a lot about this.
@@lio1234234 ta for the response Elliott, I agree with what you said. I think that "atmosphere powered" is a reasonable name for this. My comment was playful. I'm sure you don't need telling that there are other contexts where it is important to trace through a bit. Electric cars are advertised as zero emissions irrespective of whether the owner recharges the batteries from hydro or coal fired. In that case the difference between the two ways that solar energy is captured and released is mightily significant. So I don't quite agree with tom saying, in effect, that it's useless circular argument. Though in the context of this toy car, yeah, it's insignificant.
@@raykent3211 of course. I knew that what you said was playful. I was just explaining my thoughts to people.
The back wheel might have also been jumping from the slight bumps in the tile, and amplifying that with the wheel speeding up and slowing rapidly once it regained contact with the ground.
Now do a "Vacuum powered car."
Hey man, contratulations for this great channel, big hug from Nayarit, Mexico!
A German automotive engineer here, there is a lot wrong with this:
It makes much more sense to contract the syringe because the maximum pressure you have otherwise is just the atmospheric pressure. Its like hydraulics first lecture. Furthermore, the power that can be used to drive is variable over the stroke and tends towards 0 when the internal pressure is equal to atmospheric pressure, so in order to get your Power integrate F=(p0-p(s))*V(s) to stroke s. Just make a free body sketch from the syringe. Please dont spread false knowledge.
Just call the video "making a pneumatic battery from a syringe (in the wrong way)"
British aerospace engineer here: I explained why I chose to expand the syringe rather than contract it. Expanding it applies a 'more constant' force (obviously not constant due to it not being a perfect vacuum, as explained when I hung the weight from it) on the system which is easier to manage. The calculations were carried out in high school detail to help with convey the theory, therefore it was assumed there was a perfect vacuum. Using P1V1 = P2V2... if P1 = 0 --> P2 = 0, therefore theoretically, if there is a perfect vacuum, the force is constant.
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@@TomStantonEngineering P1V1 = P2V2 is an isothermic assumption, which is alright (id prefer isentropic because the temperature decreases when expanding but ok) but as you know from thermodynamics using the ideal gas law and integrating:
The volume change work released in your process would be W=-m*Ri*T*ln(V2/V1), and not just W=p_atm*A*s
It´s just wrong mate
Let me calculate an example for you:
Assumptions:
T=293K, Ri_air=287J/kg*K, Density at Point 2=1,3kg/m^3 -> m_air=1,3*10^-6kg
Before) V1=20ml=2*10^-5m^3, p1=1bar=10^5(relative to the outside)
After) V2=1ml, p2=0bar, absolute pressure is then 1bar
We get W = 0,327J
You on the other hand assumed that we can mechanically use the entirety of the hydraulic energy stored, which is W = p_atm*V1 = 2J,
which is a completely wrong assumption because its actually W = integral of (p_atm-p_system(s))*V(s). If you remember thermodynamics: this is the volume change work, W=-integral of p*dV
So congratulations, in this case you would be off by 512%
@@ch98hb I didnt follow your calculation but isnt toms assumption based on the atmosphere volume being almost infinitely huge while the syringe volume is a tiny tiny fraction of it so the force coming from the atmosphere is constant because atmospheric pressure will change by an amount so small its even impossible to measure... It makes total sense to me what he did. Or did I completely miss your point? Seems like you ignored the fact that he pulled a vacuum instead of pressurizing it. So even if made a syringe 100 times longer the atmospheric pressure and therefore the force would be the same as with the small syringe over the entire length of the syringe
You are one of the best RUclipsr out there. Bravo ! And please continue !
Most interesting physics demonstrations that you are doing, this helps every day, less educated people gain an interest in physics and want to learn more,,thank you, I think you are a great teacher. ❤ it.
Works really well. This would make a great model plane!
I manufacture a range of air admittance valves which I designed for the plumbing industry. I often get asked how they work and I have to explain they work by atmospheric pressure. The way I explain, I say if you are drinking a drink from a glass with a straw you are not really sucking the drink up. You are creating negative pressure in your mouth , in turn the atmospheric pressure pushes the drink up the straw in to your mouth as its trying to equalise the pressure ( high pressure goes to low pressure ) as you explained in your video.
This is such an awesome channel. Great job Tom.
I'm so glad you use that formula for work. It's the same one I was using when explaining my employees (programmers) their wages for their work; namely since the distance their fingers travelled and forces they were exerting while they were typing was minuscule, they couldn't expect much bigger wages, could they!? You can't fight the science and call yourself an educated man! Much less an engineer!
This is genius! I wish I had known this in my kinematics/dynamics class as we were given the challenge to make a miniature car propelled by any means other than electricity. We went for a tiny mousetrap car, but this looks more compact and controlled. I'd love to try to make one.
I see why gear boxes are useful now. :) Thanks for the great video. :)
I really appreciate the vacuum/battery/fuel comparison.
Hi Tom, You can only use ~ 70% of the volume of the syringe, because the pressure varies with the volume and is not constant.
Excellent project. Don't entertain the naysayers, you are 100 times smarter than most people watching your videos. I know you are a lot smarter than me. Keep up the good work. I enjoy watching and learning from your vids. Thanks.
Very nice! It triggers a lot of ideas. Thank you!
Suggestion: *Ribbon* instead of string. It's flatness allows it to wrap tighter around the axle, while the width gives it strength. Ribbon is very cheap on ebay.
Oh also if you're going to add weight, attach that weight to the spinning grip wheel itself - tada it's now a *flywheel* and it's rotational inertia will stop the "juddering".
Wooow, really cool idea and project!!!
awesome!! you should make a version that works off a rack an pinion that pushes out of the syringe and gearing down from there, possibly using two big syringes linked together, making it easier to reset and more reliable torque! that would be super cool to see, and you could take it outside and see how far you could go on the sidewalk or something.
Hi my friend,
You are the greatest enginner for me, because all ideas are simple to understand.
Thank you very much.
It's gratifying to see "pressure differential" getting some credit for a change, rather than the illusion of "suction". Suction cups sucking to the wall, getting sucked out of a damaged airplane, vacuum cleaners sucking up the dust, octopus tentacles sucking onto the fish etc. With all of these, "suction" is usually described as a pulling force --where such a force doesn't exist. As far as I know, the only pulling force in the Universe is magnetism. Correct me if I'm wrong. It might be interesting to see a video on the subject of "suction cups" to clear up some misconceptions about this gadget.