I don't blame Anakin for his fall to the darkside. I blame the Jedi Order. The Force wills everything. Qui Gon Jinn finding a slave boy on Tatooine with a higher midichlorian count than Master Yoda WAS NOT a coincidence. First, the Order didn't want to train him. Anakin didn't forget about that even though he was trained because it was Master Qui Gon's dying wish. The Jedi Order NEVER trusted Anakin Skywalker fully. They kept him at arms length instead of bringing him close. The lack of trust ALWAYS bothered Anakin. Despite that, he stayed the course and continued his training. Losing Ahsoka was a huge blow for Anakin. He lost his Padawan because of the Jedi Order was so quick to turn on one of their own. Ahsoka never gave the Order a reason not to trust and believe her. If the Order meditated on the matter and put more into the actual investigation then they would have learned the truth way before her case even made it to trial. Anakin continued his training and remained loyal to the Order even after those events took place. I do understand that falling in love goes against the Jedi Code, but unfortunately, you can't control it. Falling in love with someone just happens whether you want it to or not. I honestly believe that Anakin fell in love with Padme the first time he saw her. He was just a slave then who didn't even know what he was to become. Anakin loved her with all of his being. When he started having the same dreams about her like he did with his mother right before she died. This shook him to his core and would stop at NOTHING to try and prevent her death from happening. Darth Sidious could read Anakins mind and made him an offer he couldn't refuse. When he found out that his long-time friend was, in fact, a Sith Lord, this created so much confusion, confliction, and disbelief in Anakin. When he told Master Windu what he had discovered, he told Anakin "If what you told me is true, then you will have gained my trust, but for now, stay here." This just cemented what Anakin always suspected... that the Jedi Order never trusted him. So, having the feeling of never being trusted just being vindicated and potentially losing the only way to save his true love? Like I said, I don't blame Anakin. I blame the Jedi Order.
At the end of the day Yoda is to blame. Windu only did what the Grand Master told him to do, even though Anakin was the only real Jedi to kill a Sith lord they never gave him the respect he deserves.
@MrKevlar83 Wrong. Everyone, on the council had their own opinions. That's why the council members would meet. Im pretty sure Yoda wasn't the only one to speak at those meetings either. Yes, Yoda had final say, but he also valued his council members' opinions. To Master Yoda, everyone on that council was equal to him. As for Mace, he literally looked at Yoda and said, "I don't trust him" when they were discussing the prophecy of the Chosen One.
I completely agree with you. Not only this but also the fact that qui-gon only frees him from slavery because Anakin Skywalker is said to have had the largest Midi-chlorian count in Jedi history and therefore thought he was the chosen one. It was only because of this conviction of qui-gon that Obi-wan was allowed to train him. Can you imagine being born as a slave and someone happens to come along who believes in you to eventually be trained while everyone has the highest expectations of you but no one REALLY trusts you? In real life we call these toxic relationships. Ultimately, this was the perfect recipe to create Vader. It was never Anakin. It was the jedi order and in a way they acted like complete narcissists. Only having him around because they could get something from him, not because of love or trust. Eventually Obi-Wan began to love him as a brother. But if it wasn't for Qui-Gon finding out how "special" he was Ani would still be a slave for his entire life probably. That's something to think about.
@@chadallen496 true, the council would meet and discuss matters. However as you said Yoda had the final say so he could have vetoed Windu but he didn't. Yoda sensed everything going on in Anakin from his mother dying in his arms to his love for Padme. Why not help him instead of shun him? Obi-Wan "killed" a Sith lord and was praised, but he didnt kill him Maul continually came back. Anakin is the only Jedi who actually killed a Sith lord by himself, so why wasn't he granted master? Again Yodas decision. So while Mace Windu didn't trust Anakin at all Yoda kind of let him be the mouth piece. And to top it off Yoda is the one that told Obi-Wan not to tell Luke about his father in hoping he'd kill him.
I don’t blame Obi wan mindset of separating Anakin and Vader as if they are different people but let’s face the fact Vader is Anakin at his weakest and his worst.
@@benjaminhopley3045then you don’t know Star Wars. If obi wan killed Vader while he was unarmed, it would’ve been murder and he’d be no different to the sith
@@benjaminhopley3045 true it was not obi wans finest moment but that’s the whole point on Mustafar both Obi wan and Anakin were not entirely in their right minds and they wanted to kill each other for the Betrayals committed against each other. They were both out course each other serious damage and harm on Mustafar. Although obi wan later come to regret his actions on Mustafar before his death.Anakin/Vader wouldn’t regret his actions on Mustafar and though out galaxy until he died and saw obi wan again as a ghost over 20 years later. Both were in the wrong on Mustafar.
Obiwan was probably ashamed of himself for how Anakin was seduced by the Darkside and changed into Vader. He probably partly blamed himself, even if he wasn’t directly responsible. What is always going to fascinate me is how he charged Luke with the responsibility to face Vader, despite Luke saying he could not kill his own father. Vader and the emperor also challenged Luke to take a life. His refusal to listen to any of them and his determination not to kill Vader is deep in his legacy; that’s how he becomes a Jedi.
Bet he probably felt like it also wasn’t his part to play. He was only a small part of the story now. It wasn’t his destiny to confront or defeat Vadar. That time had long passed
I don’t know how Obi-Wan could have misunderstood Anakin this badly. He seemed to be one of the Jedi who understood him a little better than the others did in other stories. If you ask me, I think Obi-Wan is purposely saying the exact opposite of what Luke’s father actually was because he doesn’t want Luke to sympathize with him. At this point, Obi-Wan doesn’t think Anakin can get out of the Dark Side, so he’s not telling Luke the truth because he knows that, if Luke sympathizes with him, then he will be unable to deliver the finishing blow and save the galaxy. That’s why he says at the end, “Darth Vader and the Emperor must breathe their last."
Obi was a stickler for rules. Because of this it blinded him to nuance and practical things to help Ani. Qui Gon would have been better for him, allowing him to explore and understand.
ObiWan didn’t want to train Anakin. He was ordered to. Qui Gon loved Anakin, not Ben. That’s where the ‘duel of fates’ comes in. Anakin’s fate under the tutelage of Qui Gon … versus his fate under Obi Wan. Would Anakin have turned if Qui Gon lived?
Excellent storytelling. “Luke, you’re going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.” “The truth is often what we make of it; you heard what you wanted to hear, believed what you wanted to believe.” A crazy old wizard that lived in the desert.
I argue Anakin was a victim of unfortunate circumstances he was born a slave and he wasn’t even allowed to marry the girl he loved and just before he married her he lost part of his arm in the previous battle and before he wasn’t fast enough to save his mother and during the clone wars his padawan was accused of of crime she didn’t commit and after she was cleared she left the Jedi order That’s 5 things he couldn’t control
But that’s just it, he was too caught up on the things he had no control over- trying to control them. Ever heard the phrase, “only worry about yourself”? It’s not literal, but it’s basically saying worry about what/who you can control, because it does no good to dwell on its illusory counterpart. His mother dying was not his fault or anyone’s but the one’s who caused it. He shouldn’t have ever been taken to become a Jedi- too old to learn Jedi philosophy, only their forms of combat; too neurotic to be stoic, which lead to brash thinking; and too powerful to be humble, humbling himself in thinking that every problem could be solved using the force- death is natural and so too are unfortunate things, but that doesn’t make you who you are, your response to them does. In canon (which I’m well aware we’re talking about Legends, so take this bit with a grain of salt), Anakin says Obi-Wan didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker, Vader did.
He also was very stubborn and couldn't listen to orders. Had he stayed in the council chambers as windu told him Palpatine would have been defeated & order 66 would have never happened. Padme would still be alive. Anakin would still have most his limbs & the jedi order would change under anakins influence in his later years, allowing jedi members to have personal lives seperate from being a jedi
That being said, this is Obi-Wan's journal written from his own point of view. It's possible he just doesn't see it that way and wants to believe Anakin was above those issues, therefore it must just be personal choice in his opinion. I'm pretty sure Obi-Wan didn't know Anakin wanted to marry Padme since Anakin kept it a secret and despite having reason to be suspicious, didn't know how serious it was until Ep3 when he realized she was pregnant with Anakin's kids. Even then though, he didn't know Anakin sided with Palpatine to save Padme from a death premonition he had. There's alot Obi-Wan doesn't know about Anakin's real situation so I can understand Obi having a completely different interpretation of Anakin's behaviors and motivations.
Obi wan also failed to save the people he loved his father figure qui gon, satine the girl he was secretly in love with, Anakin the young man who was not only his best friend but also the closest thing to a younger brother that he had , his friends in the order, and yet he never turned to the dark side because of the shitty hand in life the force dealt him like Anakin did. Yes Anakin had crappy stuff happen in his life like being born a slave and losing his mother but none of that makes him a victim or gives him the right to do the things that he did. Because he was given the opportunity to stop being a slave and to be his own person by Obi Wan and Anakin wasted it and then turned on one of the few people who still loved and cared about him.
God........ poor Luke is beginning to realize 😢 Luke had a terrible family history because Anakin fell down the dark path 😢 and realized it wasn't entirely all Vader's fault and he never wanted to join the dark path he did it to save padme in the end he had failed her.
True but anakin could've saved padme had he not thrown allegiance to her political foe palpatine. When that happened padme and the jedi order were finished
Well this is from legends which I'm pretty sure was written before the prequels. There's a lot of slight inconsistencies from A New Hope (1977) to Revenge of the Sith (2005) because George had the idea for Star Wars as the story of Anakin Skywalker and felt starting with the orginal trilogy was his best option at telling the story of Anakin/Vader. George has also explained he had the idea for one movie but couldn't make it work so he took the first act of that movie idea and made A New Hope. A New Hope was a surprising success and so he got to finish his story with another movie The Empire Strikes Back which was successful so he was able to make Return of the Jedi. Legends stories were made away from George so there's some he approved and some he didn't. He was obviously consulted because of the vague details of the Mustafar battle. But at the time it makes sense that it was vague. George hadn't written the story yet. He had imagined Anakins story from child to death but struggled from the 70s to 2005 to actually write and produce the movies. It's not that Obi Wan proved he didn't know Anakin, the problem is this is from legends and George hadn't written the movies yet. Legends/the expanded universe started in 1978 with a spin off novel and what came next was a mix of writers with Georges help but George didn't write the prequels yet. That's why it doesn't line up with the prequels and why legends has now been scrapped as non-canon. The canon is the 6 movies, that's George's story.
I love Vader as a character, particularly the side we see of him that still reaches back to Anakin, whether it was to actually ask for mercy in times of weakness or desperation, or in an effort to confuse or distract the opponents of his who knew Anakin, like Obi-Wan or even Ahsoka. Vader showing Anakin’s blue eyes was a trick of the force I never knew possible and it really started to make me think about the possibility of these two motives for this. I’m sure there’s an in-depth video going into this but even if there’s not I’d love to see one.
"Dealing him a killing blow might have been the merciful thing ... but I had no mercy for Vader ..." - Kenobi, a "true jedi" Suddenly Hayden's line "from my point of view the Jedi are evil" doesn't sound so dimwitted.
@jaieregilmore971 true true but if I may play devil's advocate, the Jedi weren't as direct with evil acts, they weren't perfect, but you could see how far they had strayed from the original order in perpetual balance with the force. Too much light blinded them to the shadows around them.
@@SilkySnow_ Solitary confinement especially is so insane I can't wrap my head around how it's downplayed so much. I'd rather have my eyes gouged out than six months solitary..
The worst part is how he justifies leaving Vader by the lava as the correct decision, he makes it seem as if Vader would die from natural causes and not by his own hand. He try's to absolve himself of any responsibility.
You do realize Anakin was already a dead man and only barely survived because of a whim of Palpatine's right? And at the point Obi-Wan left him his nerves would have been on the verge of being destroyed and he wouldn't be able to feel pain for long regardless. Not his fault Hollywood doesn't know how pain works.
“Whatever tomorrow brings I must be ready.” I wouldn’t call cutting himself off from the force, working as a butcher and being afraid of existing as being ready
Vader had resisted the Dark side for years compared to Dooku. It took more to turn him than others and wasn't even completely gone. Doesn't help that the Jedi Order itself was clouded by the Dark Side.
You're kidding, right? Dooku was one of the greatest Jedi in history, few could match his skill and prowess with a lightsaber. Dooku spent decades avoiding the dark side, Anakin gave in, in less than a decade.
@@williameldridge9382It took Anakin thirteen years before he finally gave himself over to the sith not just for his Children And Padme but because he also blamed The Jedi for the deaths of Qui Gon And His Mother as well yeah.
Something I don't hear people really bring up is that Obi-Wan probably wasn't lying to Luke, at least, not consciously. He probably didn't just separate Anakin from Vader as a sort of philosophical statement. He probably did so as a way of coping with what he had done. Disassociation is incredibly common for people who have been through something traumatic or done something that causes trauma. And it doesn't get much more traumatic than being forced to mutilate your best friend and brother of 13 years and then watch him burn alive because of your actions. Yes, Anakin "brought this on [himself]" but people very rarely make that distinction in situations like that. So him separating the two was probably the only way he could live with himself. Because it's easier to accept that you did those things to a completely evil and irredeemable lord of the Sith who massacred your friends and family than your brother who had lost his way.
This is exactly what anakin did to cope with all of his failures and suffering. He created the vader personality and blamed all of his misdeeds on anakin, labeling him as weak and metaphorically destroying anakin in his head, the only time anakin really resurfaced was when he was actually faced with the direct consequences of what he had done such as with ahsoka and obi wan which then destroyed him all over again and caused him to switch back into vader to cope with the mental pain of seeing them
I kind of agree with obi wan. Yeah he had a fear of losing people. He was just a strong. Person looking for more power by any means but obi wan should realize the Jedi are not completely blameless in his downfall.
If Obi Wan had saved Anakin rather then leaving him he could of told Anakin how Padme was pregnant which might of helped bring Anankin back to the light side and prevented Padme’s death too
Padme told Anakin that she was pregnant when he and Obi-Wan returned to Coruscant after rescuing Palpatine. It is after she told Anakin that he began having the nightmares about her dying.
@@decepticonxhunter4850 Oh yeah it was wasn’t it 😱 maybe if he’d of taken Anakin to be healed and he’d seen Padme when she was in labour she’d of survived and he’d of wanted to redeem himself
No matter how many comic books and EU novellas, it's always going to be a big lift to claim Obi-Wan made the right call on Mustafar. He needed to put Anakin down, and didn’t.
@george605 Like hell it would have, he killed Grievous and killed Maul about nine times and nothing happened. That's the problem with you shitlibs, you think the act of winning makes you a bad person.
Anakin was already a dead man regardless of what Obi-Wan did at that point. The only reason he barely survived was because Palpatine wanted to salvage something from the decades of grooming Anakin. The only justification for Obi-Wan killing Anakin would have been to ease his suffering. Which is why Vader hates Obi-Wan for in his mind leaving him to suffer. But even Palpatine acknowledges it was misplaced compassion not hate that stayed Obi-Wan when he warns Vader that he wouldn't have any problem finishing Vader if he attacks him again shortly after his revival as Vader.
Anakin kind of reminds me of Job from the bible don't know if I spelled the name right but In the end he got played by both sides to see were his heart was the most. In the end he lost everything for nothing and suffered so long for a short relief in the end with his son.
No... Yoda did not do that. Jedi long before his time did that. Also, Yoda wasn't wrong. Anakin _was_ twisted into a monster by his own dark nature. Argue it any way you want, a man who kills children has no legs to stand on and I am tired of these apologists saying otherwise.
I want to see Shadows Of The Empire return to canon as a live-action movie with a scene like this with flashbacks from the prequel trilogy and The Clone Wars.
I've never liked the "What I told you is true, from a certain point of view." line that Obi-Wan gives to Luke. I don't blame Obi-Wan for lying to Luke about his father in Epsiode 4, it made sense to do so. What I don't like is that instead of having Obi-Wan own up to his lie in Episode 6, he just continues to make excuses for lying. It's like George Lucas realized he needed to explain Obi-Wan's explanation in Episode 4 and overcomplicated it, when the simplest and best way to explain it was just for Obi-Wan to admit that he lied to protect Luke.
It is so crazy when you think about it, that the droid next to him has all the answers he could ever want. R2D2 is full of history being there from the start of it all and never having his memories wiped. It's crazy to think about it. I wonder why R2D2 never gave Luck answers.
Obi-Wan leaving Anakin to die dispelled for me the illusion that the Jedi were good guys. I sometimes wonder how the story would have gone had Anakin been able to save his mother's life.
Yoda was right and Gui Gon was right too. Anakin was the fulcrum on which the dark and light sides of the Force would tip. Gui Gon thought it would tip toward the light if he had trained Anakin. Yoda did not think so. It was Obi Wan who convinced Yoda that he would train Anakin himself with or without the Jedi Council's permission. So the die was cast, Anakin was too pathological, too traumatized by his childhood to have turned to the light side of the Force without careful guidance--one that Gui Gon could provide. Gui Gon would have served as his surrogate father and helped him along. Obi Wan served as his older brother and a rivalry grew between them, something that would not have happened had Gui Gon not died. So, Gui Gon's death tipped the force to the Dark Side with Anakin. Obi Wan had won the battle by killing Darth Maul but Palpatine won the war and in the end, it destroyed the Jedi and the Republic.
I wonder what would have happened if Obi-Wan saved Anakin instead of leaving him to die. Obi-Wan proved the dark side was not stronger by winning. But by leaving him and giving him a second chance proved to Anikan that Obi-Wan was weak and the dark side was stronger. He needed someone to reach back out to him. But they all pushed him away.
In the EU continuity R2 eventually relented and showed Luke how Anakin force-choked Padme to near-death, I don't think he ever showed Luke the fight that came after that.
In the EU continuity R2 eventually relented and showed Luke how Anakin force-choked Padme to near-death, I don't think he ever showed Luke the fight that came after that.
Anakin had killed the Jedi younglings, so I agree that that Kenobi shouldn’t have left Anakin to die, no, no, no! None of that! Kenobi should have cut off Anakin’s head.
It's kind of sad that Anakin, who was a slave his whole life, was saved by his heroes (Jedi), wanted to become a Jedi and by doing so fell to being a "slave" to the Jedi order. Never truly free, always being held down by others and, most importantly, himself. That's just tragic.
Then, swapping out being a slave to the Jedi Order to being a slave to the Emperor, thus finally becoming free from being a slave to both sides of the Force after killing the Sith Lord decades after he helped destroy the Jedi, because at the end of the day he did achieve the prophecy of bringing balance to the force by destroying both the Light side and Dark side of the Force, something the Jedi Order and Palpatine interpretated it wrong
If I were Obi Wan in this scenario, I would definitely be grappling with the choice of saving Anakin and just letting him suffer and die for the horrible things he did. Perhaps Obi Wan through all of those years, was trying to lie to himself about why he did what he did, I like to think that he wanted to save Anakin in the end, but the mix of emotions, the concern for Padme, knowing that the emperor would come searching for Vader soon after, and his despise towards what Anakin had become made Obi Wan turn away from his brother. The prequels and originals are why I love the character of Obi Wan (along with the countless side stories and novels involving him) he had gone through so much yet kept his heart in the right place. (We don’t talk about “Kenobi” here lol)
It's actually incredibly hard to believe that obi wan actually thought that way about Anakins fall, he was literally a victim of poor circumstances his entire life until he became Vader. And his first memory that wasn't slavery was the Jedi leaving his mother for dead(more than a good reason to have abandonment issues.) Glad this one stayed legends and not cannon tbh
I mean even in the kenobi show this is contradicted. We see Obi wan clearly apologizing to Vader. Saying he felt terribly about all the things that happened.
he left him twice because he couldn't kill him on either occasion..... Anakin was already dead Kenobi was hoping he would live again, even kenobi didn't realise this
IMO Luke would feel more indifferent because in the same breath Anakin DID choke out Padme in front of Obi wan . Did Luke know that ? this story would possible be Irrelevant if that was the case.
If Obi-Wan killed Vader on Mustafa when he had the chance. I honestly don't think it would've changed much in the grand scheme of things. Vader was powerful and a scourge to the galaxy. But by that point the Emperor had already issued order 66 and the Jedi Order was done for. While I don't think he could've found someone as powerful as Vader, Palpatine definitely could've found a replacement.
@@novadestry yes, to my knowledge. My original statement was incorrect, but I am pretty sure that Skywalker is a common surname in universe. I am sorry if my first statement was misleading, that was not my intention
Obi-Wan misunderstanding Anakin isn't too unbelievable (aside from the Rako Hardeen arc) Obi-Wan lives by the Jedi Code and is a Jedi, through and through. Jedi who lived their entire lives as Jedi in the Jedi Order before the Empire, don't understand feelings in the slightest, much less empathy. After watching the Clone Wars, I no longer ask "Why did Anakin turn?" I ask "Why not?"
It's on his belt in the celebration scene at the end of Return of the Jedi, so he prob just pulled it to himself. Can't imagine it was more than 3 meters from where he was electrocuted and probably closer to where Vader leaned over the railing.
Anakin would have been better off just leaving the jedi order. And staying away from palpatine, going on a journey across the stars would have helped him understand things better.
That's not entirely true though. Anakin did have an extremely hard life and because of this he did fear loss a lot. That's why he craved such power to begin with so that he protect those that he cared about from losing them
nah, he had that one emotion of himself as true, he was impatient and wanted to make things based on his interest, and thats not the jedi ways, sure he losthis mother but luke didnt even do anything when his aunt and uncle died. It was reasonable he killed all those sand people but he couldnt control his anger and that leads to fear and leads to suffering which then leads to the dark side
@@sethinigo5757I don't think you understand. Anakin's character. He went through great lengths to protect everyone that he came across in the Jedi order. He did not want to lose anyone, especially those that he cared about. If you saw the clone wars, there was the one episode where the person who brought Asoka to the Jedi Temple was in trouble out in space and they all told Anakin and ahsoka to leave the Jedi and stick to the plan. Anakin was like no, I'm going to go save him. Anakin was never taught how to healthily manage his emotions. He was always told to just ignore them, push them down because fear leads to the dark side. But the Jedi themselves feared the dark lords returning so much that they refused to believe that they were back for a long time and that's what gave them such an edge over the Jedi. Anakin would sacrifice his own life to protect those that he cared about and the Jedi tried to tell him that that was wrong. Yeah, that would push me to the dark side too. That's a terribly hard upbringing being a slave for most of your life than being a slave to the Jedi order. It's like he just traded one slavery for another. He had a totally hard life. The only father figure he knew was killed. Then his mother was killed
@@sethinigo5757Luke had both his aunt and uncle. He had parental figures to teach him how to handle his emotions. Luke only had his mother and then was ripped away from her before he was taught. Fully how to engage in real life situations where you need to control your emotions. He was taught just to push them down. Be mindful of your emotions but don't do anything to make sure that you don't bottle them up inside like a normal human being and then they just explode one day like
@@sethinigo5757Then he had his best friend and master Obi-Wan not stick up for him at all. Yeah I would totally go to the dark side. Well not really because I'm one of those people that there would be no light side or dark side. I would just be simply with the force
"Kill? Dobbie never meant to kill.... Dobbie only meant to maime, or seriously injure." Never thought I'd compare a house elf to Obi-Wan on Mustafar, but, here we are.
In the kinobi show they have the line where Vader says “you didn’t kill Anakin, I did” so in that context what ObiWan told Luke was actually just him quoting his father.
After watch this i want see what if moment. That after fight between obi wan and anakin obi wan decided to bring anakin to padme with wounded situations and don't give up anakin to bring back to light side...
Obi Wan sensed that the Emperor was rapidly approaching their location. If he had tried to get Anakin back to safety then Palpatine would have caught them.
If I’m Obi-Wan, after I give Anakin the warning to “not try it” and cut his legs off, I’m grabbing him by his arm and pulling him to safety. He was going to stand trial for his crimes (assuming order 66 had not been executed yet.) But I don’t think Obi-Wan had any idea of the order at that point anyway. Anakin was his brother, severely misguided with severe pain. Anakin needed to stand trial.
Obi Wan knew about the order when he met up with Yoda on Bail Organa's cruiser. He also had reviewed the security footgae showing Anakin and Clone Troopers storming the Jedi Temple.
I like how Obi-Wan claimed that Anakin and Vader were different people, because he wasn’t entirely wrong. As Anakin, he cares and feels, while Vader is a cold blooded monster. I believe that in a weird way, Anakin and Vader are (boarder line) different personalities.
You said, "I believe that in a weird way, Anakin and Vader are (boarder line) different personalities." I believe that you're on the right track. George Lucas' Anakin/Vader creation seems like a variation on Robert Louis Stevenson's Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde. There's a chock-full of psychology going on there with split personalities and even Carl Jung's archetypes of the Hero and the Shadow. Remember this point, Lucas devoured Joseph Campbell's work, The Hero with a Thousand Faces, while writing his screenplay. Campbell embraced Carl Jung's method and the latter's archetypes as psychological vehicles to help human beings become better people as they embarked on their version of the hero's journey. Lucas made his original trilogy with Campbell's and Jung's ideas flying all over the silver screen.
Obi-wan already knew deep with inside himself how to distinguish the difference between Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader. When I watch Star Wars movies, the TV series and the small Disney+ series as well as the comics you have to put your mindset in a different position on how you view things so in my interpretation of revenge of the Sith we have Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader, two different individuals. In the real world let’s say you and a friend have been through it all, however your friend decides to go a different path on their own and down that path that they have chosen is wrong and you do everything in your power as a good friend to help that individual but if they cannot be saved of course there will be a fight that breaks out and you end the relationship between yourself and your friend. You see there is a video on RUclips here talking about Star Wars, it’s like a documentary but it was explaining how these heroes and villains are shown in the real world and if our mindsets are putting that into the real world. So you see that’s my interpretation of how I understand what Obi-Wan Kenobi did when he already knew when Anakin Skywalker submit himself and gave up everything that he stood for to become this newly character Darth Vader that he swore to destroy because if you look at it and break down the scene on Musta far of how Anakin and Obi-Wan are fighting it’s completely different than he usually fights when they were up against Count Dooku
Obi wan should've put animal down. Even mace windu himself being the jedi master gave int9 the temptation of killing palpatine because he knew it was the galaxy's only chance got having freedom
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I don't blame Anakin for his fall to the darkside. I blame the Jedi Order. The Force wills everything. Qui Gon Jinn finding a slave boy on Tatooine with a higher midichlorian count than Master Yoda WAS NOT a coincidence. First, the Order didn't want to train him. Anakin didn't forget about that even though he was trained because it was Master Qui Gon's dying wish. The Jedi Order NEVER trusted Anakin Skywalker fully. They kept him at arms length instead of bringing him close. The lack of trust ALWAYS bothered Anakin. Despite that, he stayed the course and continued his training. Losing Ahsoka was a huge blow for Anakin. He lost his Padawan because of the Jedi Order was so quick to turn on one of their own. Ahsoka never gave the Order a reason not to trust and believe her. If the Order meditated on the matter and put more into the actual investigation then they would have learned the truth way before her case even made it to trial. Anakin continued his training and remained loyal to the Order even after those events took place. I do understand that falling in love goes against the Jedi Code, but unfortunately, you can't control it. Falling in love with someone just happens whether you want it to or not. I honestly believe that Anakin fell in love with Padme the first time he saw her. He was just a slave then who didn't even know what he was to become. Anakin loved her with all of his being. When he started having the same dreams about her like he did with his mother right before she died. This shook him to his core and would stop at NOTHING to try and prevent her death from happening. Darth Sidious could read Anakins mind and made him an offer he couldn't refuse. When he found out that his long-time friend was, in fact, a Sith Lord, this created so much confusion, confliction, and disbelief in Anakin. When he told Master Windu what he had discovered, he told Anakin
"If what you told me is true, then you will have gained my trust, but for now, stay here." This just cemented what Anakin always suspected... that the Jedi Order never trusted him. So, having the feeling of never being trusted just being vindicated and potentially losing the only way to save his true love? Like I said, I don't blame Anakin. I blame the Jedi Order.
At the end of the day Yoda is to blame. Windu only did what the Grand Master told him to do, even though Anakin was the only real Jedi to kill a Sith lord they never gave him the respect he deserves.
@MrKevlar83 Wrong. Everyone, on the council had their own opinions. That's why the council members would meet. Im pretty sure Yoda wasn't the only one to speak at those meetings either. Yes, Yoda had final say, but he also valued his council members' opinions. To Master Yoda, everyone on that council was equal to him. As for Mace, he literally looked at Yoda and said, "I don't trust him" when they were discussing the prophecy of the Chosen One.
I completely agree with you. Not only this but also the fact that qui-gon only frees him from slavery because Anakin Skywalker is said to have had the largest Midi-chlorian count in Jedi history and therefore thought he was the chosen one. It was only because of this conviction of qui-gon that Obi-wan was allowed to train him. Can you imagine being born as a slave and someone happens to come along who believes in you to eventually be trained while everyone has the highest expectations of you but no one REALLY trusts you? In real life we call these toxic relationships. Ultimately, this was the perfect recipe to create Vader. It was never Anakin. It was the jedi order and in a way they acted like complete narcissists. Only having him around because they could get something from him, not because of love or trust. Eventually Obi-Wan began to love him as a brother. But if it wasn't for Qui-Gon finding out how "special" he was Ani would still be a slave for his entire life probably. That's something to think about.
@@chadallen496 true, the council would meet and discuss matters. However as you said Yoda had the final say so he could have vetoed Windu but he didn't. Yoda sensed everything going on in Anakin from his mother dying in his arms to his love for Padme. Why not help him instead of shun him? Obi-Wan "killed" a Sith lord and was praised, but he didnt kill him Maul continually came back. Anakin is the only Jedi who actually killed a Sith lord by himself, so why wasn't he granted master? Again Yodas decision. So while Mace Windu didn't trust Anakin at all Yoda kind of let him be the mouth piece. And to top it off Yoda is the one that told Obi-Wan not to tell Luke about his father in hoping he'd kill him.
Anakin was a victim of both the Jedi and the Sith.
"You don't know the power of the dark side"
So true for Obi-Wan
"You don't know how ridiculously *pussy-whipped* you are."
What Obi-Wan should have told Anakin on Mustafar.
Obi Wan is pussy-whipped by the Jedi.
AHHHH! That was a good one. Thank you for that.
I don’t blame Obi wan mindset of separating Anakin and Vader as if they are different people but let’s face the fact Vader is Anakin at his weakest and his worst.
Tbh obi wan should of just killed him not just left him there to burn that was kinda missed up
@@benjaminhopley3045"somehow Anakin came back but with his max Potential"💀💀
@@benjaminhopley3045then you don’t know Star Wars. If obi wan killed Vader while he was unarmed, it would’ve been murder and he’d be no different to the sith
He’s right. He may have made mistakes but his honour and integrity is more important to him than power and revenge
@@benjaminhopley3045 true it was not obi wans finest moment but that’s the whole point on Mustafar both Obi wan and Anakin were not entirely in their right minds and they wanted to kill each other for the Betrayals committed against each other. They were both out course each other serious damage and harm on Mustafar. Although obi wan later come to regret his actions on Mustafar before his death.Anakin/Vader wouldn’t regret his actions on Mustafar and though out galaxy until he died and saw obi wan again as a ghost over 20 years later. Both were in the wrong on Mustafar.
Obiwan was probably ashamed of himself for how Anakin was seduced by the Darkside and changed into Vader. He probably partly blamed himself, even if he wasn’t directly responsible.
What is always going to fascinate me is how he charged Luke with the responsibility to face Vader, despite Luke saying he could not kill his own father. Vader and the emperor also challenged Luke to take a life. His refusal to listen to any of them and his determination not to kill Vader is deep in his legacy; that’s how he becomes a Jedi.
Bet he probably felt like it also wasn’t his part to play. He was only a small part of the story now. It wasn’t his destiny to confront or defeat Vadar. That time had long passed
I don’t know how Obi-Wan could have misunderstood Anakin this badly. He seemed to be one of the Jedi who understood him a little better than the others did in other stories. If you ask me, I think Obi-Wan is purposely saying the exact opposite of what Luke’s father actually was because he doesn’t want Luke to sympathize with him. At this point, Obi-Wan doesn’t think Anakin can get out of the Dark Side, so he’s not telling Luke the truth because he knows that, if Luke sympathizes with him, then he will be unable to deliver the finishing blow and save the galaxy. That’s why he says at the end, “Darth Vader and the Emperor must breathe their last."
Obi was a stickler for rules. Because of this it blinded him to nuance and practical things to help Ani. Qui Gon would have been better for him, allowing him to explore and understand.
ObiWan didn’t want to train Anakin. He was ordered to. Qui Gon loved Anakin, not Ben. That’s where the ‘duel of fates’ comes in. Anakin’s fate under the tutelage of Qui Gon … versus his fate under Obi Wan. Would Anakin have turned if Qui Gon lived?
Idk he only watched anakain murder younglings on camera
Excellent storytelling.
“Luke, you’re going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.”
“The truth is often what we make of it; you heard what you wanted to hear, believed what you wanted to believe.”
A crazy old wizard that lived in the desert.
I argue Anakin was a victim of unfortunate circumstances he was born a slave and he wasn’t even allowed to marry the girl he loved and just before he married her he lost part of his arm in the previous battle and before he wasn’t fast enough to save his mother and during the clone wars his padawan was accused of of crime she didn’t commit and after she was cleared she left the Jedi order
That’s 5 things he couldn’t control
But that’s just it, he was too caught up on the things he had no control over- trying to control them. Ever heard the phrase, “only worry about yourself”? It’s not literal, but it’s basically saying worry about what/who you can control, because it does no good to dwell on its illusory counterpart. His mother dying was not his fault or anyone’s but the one’s who caused it.
He shouldn’t have ever been taken to become a Jedi- too old to learn Jedi philosophy, only their forms of combat; too neurotic to be stoic, which lead to brash thinking; and too powerful to be humble, humbling himself in thinking that every problem could be solved using the force- death is natural and so too are unfortunate things, but that doesn’t make you who you are, your response to them does.
In canon (which I’m well aware we’re talking about Legends, so take this bit with a grain of salt), Anakin says Obi-Wan didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker, Vader did.
Also he didn't like sand and was born on tattoine 😔
He also was very stubborn and couldn't listen to orders. Had he stayed in the council chambers as windu told him Palpatine would have been defeated & order 66 would have never happened. Padme would still be alive. Anakin would still have most his limbs & the jedi order would change under anakins influence in his later years, allowing jedi members to have personal lives seperate from being a jedi
That being said, this is Obi-Wan's journal written from his own point of view. It's possible he just doesn't see it that way and wants to believe Anakin was above those issues, therefore it must just be personal choice in his opinion.
I'm pretty sure Obi-Wan didn't know Anakin wanted to marry Padme since Anakin kept it a secret and despite having reason to be suspicious, didn't know how serious it was until Ep3 when he realized she was pregnant with Anakin's kids. Even then though, he didn't know Anakin sided with Palpatine to save Padme from a death premonition he had.
There's alot Obi-Wan doesn't know about Anakin's real situation so I can understand Obi having a completely different interpretation of Anakin's behaviors and motivations.
Obi wan also failed to save the people he loved his father figure qui gon, satine the girl he was secretly in love with, Anakin the young man who was not only his best friend but also the closest thing to a younger brother that he had , his friends in the order, and yet he never turned to the dark side because of the shitty hand in life the force dealt him like Anakin did. Yes Anakin had crappy stuff happen in his life like being born a slave and losing his mother but none of that makes him a victim or gives him the right to do the things that he did. Because he was given the opportunity to stop being a slave and to be his own person by Obi Wan and Anakin wasted it and then turned on one of the few people who still loved and cared about him.
God........ poor Luke is beginning to realize 😢 Luke had a terrible family history because Anakin fell down the dark path 😢 and realized it wasn't entirely all Vader's fault and he never wanted to join the dark path he did it to save padme in the end he had failed her.
Palpatine fed him lies.
True but anakin could've saved padme had he not thrown allegiance to her political foe palpatine. When that happened padme and the jedi order were finished
@@stephaniewilliams168Jedi order was ruined before he did that
"He was not a weak being who feared abandonment"
Obi-Wan just proved that he didn't know Anakin with this one sentence.
I mean the dude, by his own admission, considered Anakin a brother.
Well this is from legends which I'm pretty sure was written before the prequels. There's a lot of slight inconsistencies from A New Hope (1977) to Revenge of the Sith (2005) because George had the idea for Star Wars as the story of Anakin Skywalker and felt starting with the orginal trilogy was his best option at telling the story of Anakin/Vader. George has also explained he had the idea for one movie but couldn't make it work so he took the first act of that movie idea and made A New Hope. A New Hope was a surprising success and so he got to finish his story with another movie The Empire Strikes Back which was successful so he was able to make Return of the Jedi. Legends stories were made away from George so there's some he approved and some he didn't. He was obviously consulted because of the vague details of the Mustafar battle. But at the time it makes sense that it was vague. George hadn't written the story yet. He had imagined Anakins story from child to death but struggled from the 70s to 2005 to actually write and produce the movies.
It's not that Obi Wan proved he didn't know Anakin, the problem is this is from legends and George hadn't written the movies yet.
Legends/the expanded universe started in 1978 with a spin off novel and what came next was a mix of writers with Georges help but George didn't write the prequels yet. That's why it doesn't line up with the prequels and why legends has now been scrapped as non-canon. The canon is the 6 movies, that's George's story.
@@joshdunne8792 Your referring to Splinter of the minds eye. They REALLY leaned on Luke and Leia getting together with that book.
Nope. Obi-Wan has the right of it. Anakin _does_ fear abandonment. He _is_ a weak being in the truest of ways.
@@LittleAl016 Yeah, that's just his POV and it can still be the wrong one. Anakin is nothing but fear of abandonment.
Literal chills listening to Obi-wan reading his journal entry. Nice touch! Subbed.
Awesome, thank you!
Anakin saved Obi-WAN’s life so many times.
Anakin was gone. Vader was still dangerous, even burned like bacon.
@cameronmatlock5210 the only problem was obi wan was a jedi and sidious definitely would have let him die.
@cameronmatlock5210 hello I am Stephanie and my favorite star wars movie is A New Hope this is where we get to Darth Vader and his awesome power.
@cameronmatlock5210 so am I we are the sith lol just kidding
Obi-Wan saved Anakin from poverty amd raised him like a son, Anakin should of been more Greatful
As a combat veteran i can appreciate their reactions they felt authentic, and kinda helps restore my faith in humanity.
I love Vader as a character, particularly the side we see of him that still reaches back to Anakin, whether it was to actually ask for mercy in times of weakness or desperation, or in an effort to confuse or distract the opponents of his who knew Anakin, like Obi-Wan or even Ahsoka. Vader showing Anakin’s blue eyes was a trick of the force I never knew possible and it really started to make me think about the possibility of these two motives for this. I’m sure there’s an in-depth video going into this but even if there’s not I’d love to see one.
Gotta' love how Luke tells Obi-Wan, "I'm never coming back to this planet again..."
Shadows of the Empire is still canon to me.
Bring back Dash and the outrider.
Absolutely
Same.
All of the EU I look at Disney Wars as an alternate reality. Lol.
@@alanwilliams536 I look at Disney Wars are poorly-written fanfics.
@@gumdeo Agreed!
"Dealing him a killing blow might have been the merciful thing ... but I had no mercy for Vader ..." - Kenobi, a "true jedi"
Suddenly Hayden's line "from my point of view the Jedi are evil" doesn't sound so dimwitted.
“From my point of view the Jedi are evil” from the guy who killed innocent people almost killed his wife.
@jaieregilmore971 true true but if I may play devil's advocate, the Jedi weren't as direct with evil acts, they weren't perfect, but you could see how far they had strayed from the original order in perpetual balance with the force. Too much light blinded them to the shadows around them.
Anakin killed kids 😂
@@drkinferno72You mean the young warriors that the Jedi took from their parents to turn them into soldiers?
Right; 3 , 4 y/o childs, extremely dangerous. A true warrior he was.
I wish we could explore Luke more, between Episodes 5 and 6 and after Return of the Jedi
Check out the books! Shadows of the Empire, Heir to the Empire, the Jedi Academy Trilogy, the New Jedi Order series
It will never cease to amaze me, this trope of "killing is wrong, but being okay with someone dying in excruciating agony is no problemo"
Death penalty bad, locking someone in a box(psychological torture) good!
@@SilkySnow_ Solitary confinement especially is so insane I can't wrap my head around how it's downplayed so much. I'd rather have my eyes gouged out than six months solitary..
The worst part is how he justifies leaving Vader by the lava as the correct decision, he makes it seem as if Vader would die from natural causes and not by his own hand. He try's to absolve himself of any responsibility.
You do realize Anakin was already a dead man and only barely survived because of a whim of Palpatine's right?
And at the point Obi-Wan left him his nerves would have been on the verge of being destroyed and he wouldn't be able to feel pain for long regardless.
Not his fault Hollywood doesn't know how pain works.
“Whatever tomorrow brings I must be ready.” I wouldn’t call cutting himself off from the force, working as a butcher and being afraid of existing as being ready
Well this story is Legends. The Kenobi show is Canon
This would hit so much harder had Lucas decided to leave in vader screaming help me to obi wan as he slid down the embankment towards the lava.
Obi Wan's journal, 1st Page : "Hello There"
i enjoyed your presentation of the force speaking to Luke
Ive only seen your shorts until this video. Good job, very well done.
Vader had resisted the Dark side for years compared to Dooku. It took more to turn him than others and wasn't even completely gone. Doesn't help that the Jedi Order itself was clouded by the Dark Side.
You're kidding, right? Dooku was one of the greatest Jedi in history, few could match his skill and prowess with a lightsaber. Dooku spent decades avoiding the dark side, Anakin gave in, in less than a decade.
@@williameldridge9382It took Anakin thirteen years before he finally gave himself over to the sith not just for his Children And Padme but because he also blamed The Jedi for the deaths of Qui Gon And His Mother as well yeah.
This was amazing I felt like I was reading straight from both actors it was engaging good stuff 🙏🏻
Great video. There is so much Legends material for Disney to draw from to create awesome content. 😢
Thanks for watching!
Liked and subscribed. I thoroughly enjoyed this. Thank you this. 🥃🥃🥃
Awesome, thank you!
Wonderful job, my friend. Your storytelling is exquisite. Big ups!
Something I don't hear people really bring up is that Obi-Wan probably wasn't lying to Luke, at least, not consciously. He probably didn't just separate Anakin from Vader as a sort of philosophical statement. He probably did so as a way of coping with what he had done. Disassociation is incredibly common for people who have been through something traumatic or done something that causes trauma. And it doesn't get much more traumatic than being forced to mutilate your best friend and brother of 13 years and then watch him burn alive because of your actions. Yes, Anakin "brought this on [himself]" but people very rarely make that distinction in situations like that. So him separating the two was probably the only way he could live with himself. Because it's easier to accept that you did those things to a completely evil and irredeemable lord of the Sith who massacred your friends and family than your brother who had lost his way.
This is exactly what anakin did to cope with all of his failures and suffering. He created the vader personality and blamed all of his misdeeds on anakin, labeling him as weak and metaphorically
destroying anakin in his head, the only time anakin really resurfaced was when he was actually faced with the direct consequences of what he had done such as with ahsoka and obi wan which then destroyed him all over again and caused him to switch back into vader to cope with the mental pain of seeing them
I kind of agree with obi wan. Yeah he had a fear of losing people. He was just a strong. Person looking for more power by any means but obi wan should realize the Jedi are not completely blameless in his downfall.
This would have never happened, if Obi Wan Kenobi joined Count Dooku when he had the chance.
If Obi Wan had saved Anakin rather then leaving him he could of told Anakin how Padme was pregnant which might of helped bring Anankin back to the light side and prevented Padme’s death too
Pretty sure Anakin knew Padme was preggers before Obi-Wan did.
Padme told Anakin that she was pregnant when he and Obi-Wan returned to Coruscant after rescuing Palpatine. It is after she told Anakin that he began having the nightmares about her dying.
@@decepticonxhunter4850 Oh yeah it was wasn’t it 😱 maybe if he’d of taken Anakin to be healed and he’d seen Padme when she was in labour she’d of survived and he’d of wanted to redeem himself
If the emperor knew Anakin had kids he would've been went after them as they would've been forced sensitive children
Lukes face on the post thumbnail is like, “You wrong for that Uncle Ben.” Ben Kenobi though, “Nah, nah…he earned that Luke.”
No matter how many comic books and EU novellas, it's always going to be a big lift to claim Obi-Wan made the right call on Mustafar. He needed to put Anakin down, and didn’t.
Obi-Wan made the right call on Mustafar. Huh. That was easy.
@@Tahkaullus01 defend your position
@@DirkPiddlemark He would've turned to the dark side as well had he killed him.
@george605 Like hell it would have, he killed Grievous and killed Maul about nine times and nothing happened.
That's the problem with you shitlibs, you think the act of winning makes you a bad person.
Anakin was already a dead man regardless of what Obi-Wan did at that point.
The only reason he barely survived was because Palpatine wanted to salvage something from the decades of grooming Anakin.
The only justification for Obi-Wan killing Anakin would have been to ease his suffering.
Which is why Vader hates Obi-Wan for in his mind leaving him to suffer.
But even Palpatine acknowledges it was misplaced compassion not hate that stayed Obi-Wan when he warns Vader that he wouldn't have any problem finishing Vader if he attacks him again shortly after his revival as Vader.
Anakin kind of reminds me of Job from the bible don't know if I spelled the name right but In the end he got played by both sides to see were his heart was the most. In the end he lost everything for nothing and suffered so long for a short relief in the end with his son.
One thing that NEVER crossed Obi Wan's mund is that Yoda might be wrong. Whi changed the Jedi rules that had stood for thousands of years, Yoda.
No... Yoda did not do that. Jedi long before his time did that. Also, Yoda wasn't wrong. Anakin _was_ twisted into a monster by his own dark nature. Argue it any way you want, a man who kills children has no legs to stand on and I am tired of these apologists saying otherwise.
@@Tahkaullus01Totally agree. Anakin is a child killer, no ifs ands or buts about it. He was too far gone.
I miss star wars
great video ❤
I want to see Shadows Of The Empire return to canon as a live-action movie with a scene like this with flashbacks from the prequel trilogy and The Clone Wars.
Ah. This is how Luke found out about all of the things before the Empire
I've never liked the "What I told you is true, from a certain point of view." line that Obi-Wan gives to Luke. I don't blame Obi-Wan for lying to Luke about his father in Epsiode 4, it made sense to do so. What I don't like is that instead of having Obi-Wan own up to his lie in Episode 6, he just continues to make excuses for lying. It's like George Lucas realized he needed to explain Obi-Wan's explanation in Episode 4 and overcomplicated it, when the simplest and best way to explain it was just for Obi-Wan to admit that he lied to protect Luke.
It is so crazy when you think about it, that the droid next to him has all the answers he could ever want. R2D2 is full of history being there from the start of it all and never having his memories wiped. It's crazy to think about it. I wonder why R2D2 never gave Luck answers.
Obi-Wan leaving Anakin to die dispelled for me the illusion that the Jedi were good guys. I sometimes wonder how the story would have gone had Anakin been able to save his mother's life.
Great narration and vid
Wow! Great video!
Thanks!
Yoda was right and Gui Gon was right too. Anakin was the fulcrum on which the dark and light sides of the Force would tip. Gui Gon thought it would tip toward the light if he had trained Anakin. Yoda did not think so. It was Obi Wan who convinced Yoda that he would train Anakin himself with or without the Jedi Council's permission. So the die was cast, Anakin was too pathological, too traumatized by his childhood to have turned to the light side of the Force without careful guidance--one that Gui Gon could provide. Gui Gon would have served as his surrogate father and helped him along. Obi Wan served as his older brother and a rivalry grew between them, something that would not have happened had Gui Gon not died. So, Gui Gon's death tipped the force to the Dark Side with Anakin. Obi Wan had won the battle by killing Darth Maul but Palpatine won the war and in the end, it destroyed the Jedi and the Republic.
Don't you mean Qui-Gon?
I never stopped feeling sorry for Anakin. He was born into slavery. And to condense everything, he never stopped being one.
Great video
Thanks! 🙏
I think Anakin would have preferred to be mercifully killed. A lot of what drove his hate and rage was being abandoned on Mustafar.
Obiwan, 5:18 “yeah, I fucked his ass up”
Remember the younglings
whats this music? I hear it almost every Star Wars video
I've been asking this for a while man
I wonder what would have happened if Obi-Wan saved Anakin instead of leaving him to die. Obi-Wan proved the dark side was not stronger by winning. But by leaving him and giving him a second chance proved to Anikan that Obi-Wan was weak and the dark side was stronger. He needed someone to reach back out to him. But they all pushed him away.
Because he murdered innocent children.
@@grymjawi would do it second time tbh
@@ivanalexandrinmatala3362 so edgy
@@grymjaw Anakin stans tend to conveniently leave this part out alongside the massive egotism that led him to fall in the first place.
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t r2 show Luke how this battle went down from his memory drives?
From what I understand that was later in the timeline. This story takes place right after Episode V
r2's memory was wiped after the battle, when the kids get split :)
No it wasn’t. Only 3PO’s memory was wiped
In the EU continuity R2 eventually relented and showed Luke how Anakin force-choked Padme to near-death, I don't think he ever showed Luke the fight that came after that.
In the EU continuity R2 eventually relented and showed Luke how Anakin force-choked Padme to near-death, I don't think he ever showed Luke the fight that came after that.
I have the book mentioned, but what is this comic book called?
Anakin had killed the Jedi younglings, so I agree that that Kenobi shouldn’t have left Anakin to die, no, no, no! None of that! Kenobi should have cut off Anakin’s head.
It's kind of sad that Anakin, who was a slave his whole life, was saved by his heroes (Jedi), wanted to become a Jedi and by doing so fell to being a "slave" to the Jedi order. Never truly free, always being held down by others and, most importantly, himself. That's just tragic.
Then, swapping out being a slave to the Jedi Order to being a slave to the Emperor, thus finally becoming free from being a slave to both sides of the Force after killing the Sith Lord decades after he helped destroy the Jedi, because at the end of the day he did achieve the prophecy of bringing balance to the force by destroying both the Light side and Dark side of the Force, something the Jedi Order and Palpatine interpretated it wrong
If I were Obi Wan in this scenario, I would definitely be grappling with the choice of saving Anakin and just letting him suffer and die for the horrible things he did.
Perhaps Obi Wan through all of those years, was trying to lie to himself about why he did what he did, I like to think that he wanted to save Anakin in the end, but the mix of emotions, the concern for Padme, knowing that the emperor would come searching for Vader soon after, and his despise towards what Anakin had become made Obi Wan turn away from his brother.
The prequels and originals are why I love the character of Obi Wan (along with the countless side stories and novels involving him) he had gone through so much yet kept his heart in the right place.
(We don’t talk about “Kenobi” here lol)
It's actually incredibly hard to believe that obi wan actually thought that way about Anakins fall, he was literally a victim of poor circumstances his entire life until he became Vader. And his first memory that wasn't slavery was the Jedi leaving his mother for dead(more than a good reason to have abandonment issues.) Glad this one stayed legends and not cannon tbh
I mean even in the kenobi show this is contradicted. We see Obi wan clearly apologizing to Vader. Saying he felt terribly about all the things that happened.
He wanted to view it that way probably but he couldn’t quite do it.
That journal belongs in a museum
he left him twice because he couldn't kill him on either occasion..... Anakin was already dead Kenobi was hoping he would live again, even kenobi didn't realise this
IMO Luke would feel more indifferent because in the same breath Anakin DID choke out Padme in front of Obi wan . Did Luke know that ? this story would possible be Irrelevant if that was the case.
In the final book of the Dark Nest trilogy. R2-D2 does show Luke the file of Anakin choking Padme and Padme giving birth.
What a Jedi Master that Obi… So, he battles & lets Vader survive, leaving untold numbers of his surviving Jedi to be killed by said Vader...
What is the name of the comic shown in the video?
The moral, Luke is that I chose a half measure. I didn't do what I knew was necessary and he murdered billions more. No half measures from you.
Skywalkuh, put your lightsaber away Skywalkuh
@@someguy403im not having a duel with you right now, skywalkuh
If Obi-Wan killed Vader on Mustafa when he had the chance. I honestly don't think it would've changed much in the grand scheme of things. Vader was powerful and a scourge to the galaxy. But by that point the Emperor had already issued order 66 and the Jedi Order was done for. While I don't think he could've found someone as powerful as Vader, Palpatine definitely could've found a replacement.
The obiwon voice over is top tier
im always here 4 the force...
My god, you sound exactly like Obi Wan from the Clone Wars.
He probably would have Killed Vader if he found out he choked his Mother while Being Pregnant.
A thing in star wars i wondered was, how did vader know the name Skywalker on Hoth, only to be told by Palpatine later that hes the son of Skywalker.
The in universe explanation is actually really simple. To the point where it’s funny actually: Skywalker is just a common surname
@@Discount_Jesus is it seriously?
In canon, Boba Fett told Vader Luke’s last name earlier and Vader only pretended to be surprised when Palpatine told him.
@@RetneysHolocron I prefer legends
@@novadestry yes, to my knowledge. My original statement was incorrect, but I am pretty sure that Skywalker is a common surname in universe. I am sorry if my first statement was misleading, that was not my intention
Obi-Wan misunderstanding Anakin isn't too unbelievable (aside from the Rako Hardeen arc) Obi-Wan lives by the Jedi Code and is a Jedi, through and through. Jedi who lived their entire lives as Jedi in the Jedi Order before the Empire, don't understand feelings in the slightest, much less empathy.
After watching the Clone Wars, I no longer ask "Why did Anakin turn?" I ask "Why not?"
The really interesting question is did he recover his Lightsaber before he left the Deathstar.
Yes
It's on his belt in the celebration scene at the end of Return of the Jedi, so he prob just pulled it to himself. Can't imagine it was more than 3 meters from where he was electrocuted and probably closer to where Vader leaned over the railing.
Is that actually James Arnold Taylor reading Obi-Wan's journal, or an AI recreation?
Boy the Jedi were soooo out of touch of reality. Ben really thought that Anakin didnt come from an unfortunate circumstances??? Jesus.
Obi Wan should have given Vader a merciful 💀 rather than walk away while Vader burned.
Anakin would have been better off just leaving the jedi order. And staying away from palpatine, going on a journey across the stars would have helped him understand things better.
There's a comic where he tries to do that! In "Obi-Wan & Anakin" from 2016, Anakin considers leaving the Jedi Order to travel the galaxy
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I so wish we could go back and Luke would of never died. Killing him like that was so stupid
All they had to do was listen to him. All that know it all shit in the order. I’d flip sides too
I wonder if Luke would’ve stayed a Jedi if he knew how bad the Council treated Anakin…
How did they treat him bad. He knew the rules of the jedi order.
Anakin was not treated poorly, they believed he wasn’t ready to be a part of the council, they were ultimately right.
You think Luke would go to the dark side if he knew how many younglings Anakin killed!?
That's not entirely true though. Anakin did have an extremely hard life and because of this he did fear loss a lot. That's why he craved such power to begin with so that he protect those that he cared about from losing them
nah, he had that one emotion of himself as true, he was impatient and wanted to make things based on his interest, and thats not the jedi ways, sure he losthis mother but luke didnt even do anything when his aunt and uncle died. It was reasonable he killed all those sand people but he couldnt control his anger and that leads to fear and leads to suffering which then leads to the dark side
@@sethinigo5757I don't think you understand. Anakin's character. He went through great lengths to protect everyone that he came across in the Jedi order. He did not want to lose anyone, especially those that he cared about. If you saw the clone wars, there was the one episode where the person who brought Asoka to the Jedi Temple was in trouble out in space and they all told Anakin and ahsoka to leave the Jedi and stick to the plan. Anakin was like no, I'm going to go save him. Anakin was never taught how to healthily manage his emotions. He was always told to just ignore them, push them down because fear leads to the dark side. But the Jedi themselves feared the dark lords returning so much that they refused to believe that they were back for a long time and that's what gave them such an edge over the Jedi. Anakin would sacrifice his own life to protect those that he cared about and the Jedi tried to tell him that that was wrong. Yeah, that would push me to the dark side too. That's a terribly hard upbringing being a slave for most of your life than being a slave to the Jedi order. It's like he just traded one slavery for another. He had a totally hard life. The only father figure he knew was killed. Then his mother was killed
@@sethinigo5757Luke had both his aunt and uncle. He had parental figures to teach him how to handle his emotions. Luke only had his mother and then was ripped away from her before he was taught. Fully how to engage in real life situations where you need to control your emotions. He was taught just to push them down. Be mindful of your emotions but don't do anything to make sure that you don't bottle them up inside like a normal human being and then they just explode one day like
@@sethinigo5757Then he had his best friend and master Obi-Wan not stick up for him at all. Yeah I would totally go to the dark side. Well not really because I'm one of those people that there would be no light side or dark side. I would just be simply with the force
"Kill? Dobbie never meant to kill.... Dobbie only meant to maime, or seriously injure."
Never thought I'd compare a house elf to Obi-Wan on Mustafar, but, here we are.
In the kinobi show they have the line where Vader says “you didn’t kill Anakin, I did” so in that context what ObiWan told Luke was actually just him quoting his father.
"What I told you was true, from a certain point of view." 😂
Luke had phantom hand pains? You would think that wouldn’t happen since he actually could feel with his robot hand.
Why didn't he just look at R2-D2 on his memory card!🤔🤔
they should do a force vision flash forward for obi own show about this
I would say most people feel sorry for Anakin in some sense. Really is a sad story
Dont let this distract you from the fact Obi-Wan killed Darth Maul in anger.
After watch this i want see what if moment. That after fight between obi wan and anakin obi wan decided to bring anakin to padme with wounded situations and don't give up anakin to bring back to light side...
I would have never left anakin there I would have gotten him and took him to medical and helped him regain himself back to the light
Obi Wan sensed that the Emperor was rapidly approaching their location. If he had tried to get Anakin back to safety then Palpatine would have caught them.
@@Da1337ManObi Wan would have fucked Palpatine there since Anakin was stronger then him💀
Luke Was Chill He Probably Thought.. Oh Well Shit Happenz 😂😅
Anakin did nothing wrong 👌
Anakin was a Person with a lot of Weakness Mentally..
If I’m Obi-Wan, after I give Anakin the warning to “not try it” and cut his legs off, I’m grabbing him by his arm and pulling him to safety. He was going to stand trial for his crimes (assuming order 66 had not been executed yet.) But I don’t think Obi-Wan had any idea of the order at that point anyway. Anakin was his brother, severely misguided with severe pain. Anakin needed to stand trial.
Obi Wan knew about the order when he met up with Yoda on Bail Organa's cruiser. He also had reviewed the security footgae showing Anakin
and Clone Troopers storming the Jedi Temple.
but the republic had been destroyed.
Luke could only make off handed remarks to this!
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I like how Obi-Wan claimed that Anakin and Vader were different people, because he wasn’t entirely wrong. As Anakin, he cares and feels, while Vader is a cold blooded monster. I believe that in a weird way, Anakin and Vader are (boarder line) different personalities.
You said, "I believe that in a weird way, Anakin and Vader are (boarder line) different personalities."
I believe that you're on the right track. George Lucas' Anakin/Vader creation seems like a variation on Robert Louis Stevenson's Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde. There's a chock-full of psychology going on there with split personalities and even Carl Jung's archetypes of the Hero and the Shadow.
Remember this point, Lucas devoured Joseph Campbell's work, The Hero with a Thousand Faces, while writing his screenplay. Campbell embraced Carl Jung's method and the latter's archetypes as psychological vehicles to help human beings become better people as they embarked on their version of the hero's journey. Lucas made his original trilogy with Campbell's and Jung's ideas flying all over the silver screen.
Obi-wan already knew deep with inside himself how to distinguish the difference between Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader.
When I watch Star Wars movies, the TV series and the small Disney+ series as well as the comics you have to put your mindset in a different position on how you view things so in my interpretation of revenge of the Sith we have Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader, two different individuals. In the real world let’s say you and a friend have been through it all, however your friend decides to go a different path on their own and down that path that they have chosen is wrong and you do everything in your power as a good friend to help that individual but if they cannot be saved of course there will be a fight that breaks out and you end the relationship between yourself and your friend. You see there is a video on RUclips here talking about Star Wars, it’s like a documentary but it was explaining how these heroes and villains are shown in the real world and if our mindsets are putting that into the real world.
So you see that’s my interpretation of how I understand what Obi-Wan Kenobi did when he already knew when Anakin Skywalker submit himself and gave up everything that he stood for to become this newly character Darth Vader that he swore to destroy because if you look at it and break down the scene on Musta far of how Anakin and Obi-Wan are fighting it’s completely different than he usually fights when they were up against Count Dooku
Obi wan should've put animal down. Even mace windu himself being the jedi master gave int9 the temptation of killing palpatine because he knew it was the galaxy's only chance got having freedom
If Obi Wan just finished off Anakin a lot of trouble would have been avoided.