Green Lantern - How to Fail at Iron Man | Anatomy Of A Failure
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2011's Green Lantern movie starring Ryan Reynolds was DC and Warner Brothers' attempt to begin building their own version of the MCU...that just didn't work out: the film became a massive box office flop that nobody liked, a movie that Deadpool has dedicated the majority of his screentime to make fun of. And that's a bit weird considering they took heavy inspiration from MCU's first movie, 2008's Iron Man starring Robert Downey Jr. So in today's anatomy of a failure, let's compare Green Lantern to Iron Man and Hal Jordan to Tony Stark to see why one movie and character became a massive success and the other the opposite. Here's how to fail at Iron Man.
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Green Lantern (2011)
A test pilot embraces his destiny as a cosmic superhero in Casino Royale director Martin Campbell's adaptation of the popular DC Comics series. Ever since he saw his fearless father perish in a tragic aviation mishap, all Hal Jordan (Ryan Reynolds) could think about was flying. Somewhere out in space, a powerful force of evil known as Parallax Iron Man how to turn a villain into the hero green lantern honest trailer everything wrong with green lantern 2011 green lantern watch full movie online free 4k clip hd parallax green lantern box office flop the lone ranger how to build the biggest flop of all time transformers mulan tom cruise green lantern why did green lantern flop deadpool green lantern is spreading fear and destruction; tom cruise green lantern superman man of steel the only hope for defeating Parallax is the Green Lantern Corps, a group of intergalactic warriors powered by the force of will. When legendary Green Lantern Abin Sur (Temuera Morrison) is sent hurtling toward planet Earth after a deadly encounter with Parallax, his ring chooses Hal to continue the fight. The first human ever to receive the honor of becoming a Green Lantern, Hal is viewed with scorn by the league's leader, Sinestro (Mark Strong), who trains him alongside the hulking Kilowog (voice of Michael Clarke Duncan). Later, on planet Earth, frail scientist Hector Hammond (Peter Sarsgaard) becomes infected with Parallax's evil while performing an autopsy on Abin Sur, and uses his newfound powers to stake claim on Carol Ferris (Blake Lively), Hal's lifelong friend and fellow test pilot.
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Iron Man (2008)
From Marvel Studios and Paramount Pictures comes Iron Man, an action-packed take on the tale of wealthy philanthropist Tony Stark (Robert Downey Jr.), who develops an invulnerable robotic suit to fight the throes of evil. In addition to being filthy rich, billionaire industrialist Tony Stark is also a genius inventor. When Stark is kidnapped and forced to build a diabolical weapon, he instead uses his intelligence and ingenuity to construct an indestructible suit of armor and escape his captors. Once free, Stark discovers a deadly conspiracy that could destabilize the entire globe, and dons his powerful new suit on a mission to stop the villains and save the world. Gwyneth Paltrow co-stars as his secretary, Virginia "Pepper" Potts, while Terrence Howard fills the role of Jim "Rhodey" Rhodes, one of Stark's colleagues, whose military background leads him to help in the formation of the suit. Jon Favreau directs, with Marvel movie veterans Avi Arad and Kevin Feige producing. 
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The only thing Ryan Reynolds got from that movie is materials for his jokes and his marriage.
And a couple million dollars, maybe more.
Peter P let’s be honest. Getting married to Blake Lively is worth him suffering through GL.
@@brandonjones5879 You're not wrong lol. Making thousands of dollars, or maybe even million, off a terrible movie to meet the love of your life? Worth it I say.
And millions of $
@@shinaikouka Yes, he said this in Graham Norton's show I believe. But, this movie was when he first met his now wife.
This movie only existed to be made fun of by Deadpool years later.
@madison green
Thanks to the Multiverse Theory, this is not only in-character, but also 100% canon.
I still think after Deadpool kills Ryan Reynolds he should have changed to a different actor because he changed the timeline.
That was the plan all along...
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Ryan Reynolds did not fail this movie, the studio did by not having a script.
that’s not an excuse. Iron Man was 85% improv by the actors themselves
Yeah, the dialog was, but not the action scenes and overall plot. GL literally started filming with no idea what the story would be, and the studio rushed one out the door without a great director like Favreau to fix it. The scene in the bar with RR and BL was the first thing they shot and was entirely improvised because the director just knew he would need, "A bar scene".
@@chloend Ryan did a great job playing himself like he does. But the movie failed due to the weak plot. Like they just made Hal a lantern, then make him fight a cosmic level threat and then easily killing him by just punching him into the sun. They should have just made red lanterns or Mongul as the main villains.
@Bartolo Clemen that first suit was just the beginning of the whole journey, and I think iron man is better than robocop, try criticising again, fanatic
@Bartolo Clemen no it’s just not well thought out or executed that’s why it’s a bad movie, that’s not to say it isn’t enjoyable or valuable, I often watch bad movies for the fun of it but saying it’s a good movie is incorrect if you’re examining it
In the comics the way Hal gets the ring is way more "impactful"...literally. He crashlands into the desert with his jet after thinking too intensely about his father, he blames himself that he couldn't help him, that he's never gonna live up to his name, that he's letting down his brothers and mother, all sorts of depressing thoughts, he gets lost in the desert and after mourning and sulking, the ring finds him and there he finds also Abin Sur dying who passes him the ring and the oath of the Green Lanterns. Obviously, when Abin dies he feels badly once again but in time he understands that only by taking up that ring he would have done what's right.
Why didn't the filmmakers do this?! Reading this made me tear up already.
Wow, this is way better.
@@sera_sarzad I think even if DC just copies everything from the comic and puts it in movies still then the movies will be masterpiece
That sounds so much better.
They did this because they wanted to create a happy-go movie like Marvel. They wanted a character like Tony Stark, desperately in their universe, who is loved by the audience. DC can be too dark with its simplest characters and that its charm, going away with that is just ruins everything for DC.
not to mention that they shouldn't have even mentioned Parallax in the first movie let alone beat him, that was the equivalent of Iron Man defeating Thanos in the first damn movie.
Crap, that's a good point!
It's like the filmmakers didn't even know the single most-significant thing about Parallax: the fact that it was (retconned into being) responsible for the Emerald Twilight story, _the corruption, fall from grace and eventual death_ of Hal Jordan! Never mind comparisons to Thanos, this is more like making Doomsday the first villain Superman faces, and having it end with Superman throwing Doomsday into the sun and cheerfully going on his merry way completely un-killed!
@@ArcaneAzmadi is that why Hal Jordan was replaced by John Stewart?
@@jacindaellison3363 Not exactly. John Stewart was already around by that point, the Parallax plot started with Mongul destroying Hal's hometown, killing everyone in it. Driven half mad by grief, Hal does a bunch of things that are no-nos by Green Lantern standards, finally stepping into the Central Battery on Oa (the giant lantern that powers the tiny ones) and merging with the imprisonned Parallax, naming himself the same as he emerged in his fancy new armour and psychotic grin.
Hal then proceeded to pretty much kill the everloving f@ck out of most every other lantern and the guardians, until a surviving guardian delivered a ring to Kyle Raynor, who became an OP kinda Mary-Sue-ish character but what's important is that in the end, Hal kind of died except not because he merged with that undead guy in the green cape and hood whose name I keep forgetting and became an agent of vengeful justice, still fighting with his Parallax persona on the inside.
Then, once he finally managed to rid himself of Parallax (who was re-locked into the Central Battery because why not?) he got free of his ghostly form and was revived through means I don't want to get into.
So now you see. One DOES NOT simply make Parallax the starting villain of the Green Lantern franchise...
A much better alternative would've been a kind of buddycop movie where Sinestro (or Kilowog) and Hal get to know each other and slowly begin to understand and respect one another, with Sinestro's betrayal and turn to fear most likely in the second movie.
Actually Darkseid is the equivalent of Thanos. Parallax is more like Iron Man defeating Eternity who hasn't even been brought up yet in the MCU
The crane thingy that hands Tony his heart was a better character than Hal.
It was a great injustice that Dummy wasn't present at Tony's funeral in Endgame...
@@ArcaneAzmadi yeah dummy was done dirty
Legend has it Tony sent them to some university to study instead of getting sprayed with the fire hydrant again
Even it had a story arc from being a stupid bot to becoming something that saved tony
Barf his name was barf
Relationship between Hal and the big bad:
"I'm your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate."
Lol
Your father's brother's nephew is you, your brother or your cousin.
I now wanna live in Earth-420. I wanna see just how good this movie is over there.
Of course, it could just be the same movie and the people over there just have horrible taste.
@@saucevc8353 it isn't supposed to be opposite? What about it is a masterpiece but the people over there have shitty taste, so they shame it like we do
@@percyjackson3311 But then it wouldn't have good reviews if people hated it.
@@saucevc8353 what...
@@saucevc8353 good reviews means its a bad movie obviously.
the only good thing about Green Lantern is that it got Ryan Reynolds his current wife.
Do you know what? I'm happy with that, the movie made exactly 2 people happy, it's more than 0
What a wholesome take!
@D Zuke you mean that if I'm happy that they are happy there are at least 3 happy people? That's even better
Aren't they divorced?
If they got together after it, he should be more thankful to the movie than he currently acts to be
The villains connection to Green Lantern is like that scene in SpaceBalls but instead of it being a joke they expect us to take it seriously.
Wait, they had any connection?
@@haillobster7154 "I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate."
@@caberwikijack still a better connection than what we saw in this movie.
@@caberwikijack "What's that make us?"
@@guicaldo7164 "Absolutely nothing! Which is what you're about to become."
10:30 Hey, aeronautical engineer here with some useful knowledge. Although both are called "stall", they are very different phenomena. What you saw close to ground is an airfoil stall, ie, the wing is at an angle of attack that no longer generate lift. When the plane resumed a position with proper angle of attack, the lift is restored. That maneuver there is called a hammer stall.
What Hal does is a stall of the engine (you can see the engine giving its lasts bursts), so that means he lost traction and can know only glide the plane. And fighter jets are terrible at gliding, meaning if he doesn't restart the engines midair he is probably dead. So...yeah...those are different things and what he does is way more risky
Nice
"The ring never makes a mistake"
Guess it did
ah remind me what I've felt that time, after Batman Begins, I wanted to be a Batman, after Iron Man, I wanted to be playboy-billionaire-philanthropist-armored, after Green Lantern, I just want to go home
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Wait so this movie exists? I thought Deadpool traveled back in time to get rid of Reynolds before he could do this movie?
I am not a chrono-physicist, but I *think* Filmento travelled back in time to watch this movie in the future, but before the movie was wiped from existence by Deadpool. That said, it means the future is 1955, the past is 1985, and the now is 2015. Hey McFly, where's my hoverboard?!?
Multiverse theory’s a bitch.
wtf you didnt know?
Yes, Deadpool has erased the film. But The Flash restarted the multiverse and so Earth-12 exists again.
Oh, now I understand why the world is collapsing. It's resolving a paradox.
The movie failed because of its villain. If they focused on sinestro building him up, the outcome would have been different
They should have had Sinestro as the villain and teased Parallax at the end, not the other way around.
@@roberttreacy8271 neither of them should be villain in first movie.
Use some minor but formidable villain like Sonar or Dr Polaris. Without Hal and Sinestro working together as friends first, the impact of Sinestro going evil wouldn't be much on Hal storywise if it's done in first movies
@@gabbar51ngh I'm thinking a space-based villain like Despero, somebody formidable enough that it would plausibly require a Hal and Sinestro team-up to beat. I mean sure, Despero in the comics is a full-on Justice League threat, but he's unlikely to be used as such in the movies.
But yeah, the main point of the first GL movie should be Hal and Sinestro becoming friends, so that Sinestro's betrayal will be a big deal when it happens in the sequel.
I actually watched Green Lantern for the first time after I had seen Shazam. Both movies follow almost all the same beats in terms of the main characters losing a parental figure at a young age, getting their powers randomly from another powerful being who is dying, and then showing off and being cocky while trying to learn the ropes of what they can do, to ultimately accepting their responsibility as the 'chosen one'. It is crazy to me just how similar the plots and plot devices are between the two.
But one turned out to be a failure and other a success
IKR i also watched it right after Shazam and totally agree. the similarities can not be ignored. ofc Shazam is way better but both gave me the same vibe in some way and i like it (also in my opinion this movie didn't deserve 5.5 imdb it could be smth like 6,kinda Mandela effect i guess)
@@acheron8589 how is it a Mandela effect?
Mark Strong is in both films too.
The thing is that Shazam is comedic as in the comics but green latern isn't...
I like to think Ryan Reynolds would watch videos about his movies
He probably does
Yeah probably does
@Mark Pozsar go away no one wants you here
@Mark Pozsar ok buzzkill.
@Mark Pozsar he narrated the honest trailer to Deadpool.
Parallax is a failure in much the same way as Galactus is in FF: Rise of the Silver Surfer. They're both extremely powerful galactic entities with lots of backstories in the comics, that SHOULD be the focus of a whole film, but instead got thrown in as some vague formless CGI at the end of the movie and get defeated with little effort or fanfare..
Ikr? It could've been a very interesting Interpretation. Parallax is crazy good in the comics.
Green Lantern 2/ Fant4stic 2: Revenge of the Giant Evil Space Clouds!
Indeed
@@g.d.graham2446. This movie's writer Mark Guggenheim also did Percy Jackson sea of Monsters, and it suffers the same, too powerful final threath to soon, ect!
The first 23 seconds of pure screaming. I almost lit myself on fire.
Of course, it _CAN_ be done well - I really enjoyed Green Lantern: First Flight
But then, the DC *Animated* Universe seems actually competent.
That description of the link between Hal and his villain reminds me of that Spaceballs joke "I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate." "What does that make us?" "Absolutely nothing."
Goddamn classic right there
Can we talk about how Jeff Bridges acted the shit out of his role as Obadiah Stane
That scientist "box of scraps" scene was an Oscar Award-worthy performance
Obadiah Stane was so memorable as a villain that I tend to refer to any... heavyweight fullbeard bald male as "rocking the obadiah stane".
That's why I was actually kinda sad that he died. Not so much for his character but because we can no longer use Jeff Bridges...
@@baileypalmer103 hard facts
Yeah right! He was fuckin badass and charismatic
And then Marvel decided to shoot an exact copy of the Green Lantern with a female lead character. A pilot who got her powers just because, and never had any real motivation whatsoever. Aka Captain Marvel
you can have characters get powers "just because" by chance like with peter parker who just got bit by a radioactive spider "just because" it was accident occurrence as he just happen to be in the wrong place at the right time, but it's what he does with those powers is what drive home the plot and gives him strong attractive motivation lead that the audience roots for.
And it was fucking epic
Captain Marvel could've been called "How to Succeed at Green Lantern," there were only a few things I had issue with and it didn't kill the whole movie for me. They made a dumb popcorn flick, with a super-powered protagonist who you know is gonna make it to the end of the movie, just like all the others
Ok i am not the only one who noticed the similarity
Captain Marvel was even worst than the Green Lantern movie. They didn't even show enough story and they added WAYYYY too much effects to wake up the audiences.
Green Lantern In a nutshell: "Do this not because you have to but because we want you to"
Iron Man in a nutshell: 'Do this because you have to save others from your weapons"
The only good thing about this movie is that it _green-lit_ Reynolds' marriage.
@CaptainYangStudios Indeed.
Noice
@CaptainYangStudios lmao
The main problem with Hal, is that he is doing everything aliens is telling him to do, without even thinking by him self.
Exactly. As Filmento would put it, "the dreaded passive hero". He's a CGI-suit-wearing puppet.
@@starkillersneed lol, excatly
Unlike iron man who only do what he wants to
Ofcourse, he had to think from himself because he was a pro at rings and aliens since his birth, right?
And him thinking (sort of) and acting on his own accord is a huge part of who hal jordan is, for them to leave that out is like taking away superman's flight
omg I died laughing when Chris Hansen popped out and said "Why don't you have a seat?" XD
I remember not thinking the movie was terrible, but also not feeling the need to ever see it again. It was so obvious that they were trying to turn him into an Iron Man type character, but that’s not really who Green Lantern is.
Him being chosen by the ring and brought to a dying alien is pretty close to what happened in the original comic (except he was flying a test plane, not walking down the street). But that version of Hal Jordan is a little too perfect for a modern movie. Instead of giving him a character arc that fit Green Lantern, they took the same old arrogant->selfless formula “because that worked with Tony Stark so clearly it must work here too”
Also, that scene before the climax where he talked to the other Green Lanterns was so pointless. “I need your help! Okay, I don’t need your help. Just watch me,” If he doesn’t need them, then what is he even asking for? He can’t be asking for permission because he interfered at the party and didn’t need anyone’s permission then
“Whatever you do, don’t put me in a green suit, and don’t make it CGI!”
-Deadpool
I feel like the movie itself tried to compress too much without developing Hal as a character, which is hard to do in one movie, seeing as he is quite childish and douchy when having the ring at the beginning. Hal grows as he carries out his job as a Green Lantern, and this movie is only able to display the childishness he has when he starts out and nothing else. But then again I may be wrong and they just don't care enough.
They wanted to get into the GL mythology but needed to get Hal Jordan up and running so they crammed all the foreshadowing for fans.
I mean Parallax wasn’t necessary in the least except to setup the larger mythology
The movie makes the same mistake as Justice League. It jumps into a "world" too soon. Instead, they could have Sinestro and another GL show up and train Hal, becoming his friends, then Sinestro could betray him and become the villain, trying to kill his earth friends and family. The whole GL corps thing could be introduced at the end of the movie as a set up for future films.
Exactly he was a douchebag before the to ring and after the ring he became a douchebag with powers, no depth in there very shallow character
I kinda liked the movie because Ryan Reynolds was in it
The premise of that is flawed because if the ring chooses him when he is childish and douchy it raises real concerns about why the ring chose him and not someone who was more mature and capable. Also the thing with his dad sitting in the jet smiling as it exploded always struck me as really weird.
So basically the relationship between Hal and the villain is basically the equivalent to that one joke from Spaceballs involving Lone Star and Dark Helmet.
Pretty often your videos are so good, the point comes across so well, that simply liking it doesn't feel enough.
It does feels like when making Green Lantern they never really cared about it enough to develop its characters and make a balance between good story and good CGI. It was a "Hey, let's make a movie about a popular character, just because we have the money" moment.
Yep. That seems to be as far as DC can see. Marvel wanted to make money too, but they did it by making good stories. DC just seems to think that superhero movies make money because of the superheroes rather than the story and writing.
@@ScooterinAB - I agree for the most part. Personally I can't digest recent Marvel movies because its humor, but the good oldies I'm all the way in.
@Bartolo Clemen i genuinely dont get the point ur trying to make
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@@yessicaisgone i Wasa huge mcu fan but idk what they doin now lmao
Dr. Strange: How to succeed at Green Lantern.
i really never thought about that
Exactly
Jesus christ, its Jason Bourne!
I didn't even think about that. I love that both movies, the hero can't beat the "ultimate bad guy" without using green powers. The lantern ring and the time stone. Only Doctor Stange didn't actually beat Dormannu. He just annoyed the hell out of him, revealing his ingenuity.
DS is a pretty good movie compared to GL.
@@dr.boring7022 DS has a nice storyline and action ur are correct its a good orgin story but not as good as iron man
Hey Filmento, your analysis is wonderful! So thorough. I'm taking mental notes for my fiction stories. And your editing is hilarious!
This happens in alot of stories we want character who are in control and not one sided .Like they do things because they want to or forced or threaten to or exited to do NOT because the plot says so.
Tony stark had unexpected circumstances that led to him becoming iron man because he himself WANTED to. In the case of green lantern Hal did everything JUST BECAUSE why not . In iron man he was betrayed , threatened ,a genius ,determined billionaire smart, had a loss, was arrogant ,.But Hal was just 👁️👄👁️ for the entire movie
Failing at Iron Man doesn't quite cut it, more like failing at EVERYTHING. You know, couple days ago I thought to myself: "I'd be cool if Filmento did a video analysis on Green Lantern, this way I'd never have to watch it, even for research". You've got no idea how happy you made me right now
I love the Green Lantern, I have two GL tattoos. I really enjoy Ryan Reynolds as an actor. I can definitively say you've seen all you need here.
@@Hangman1313 Thx for confirmation
So you haven’t seen the movie and you’re judging it like this? Says a lot about you g
@@r3a1itygamezz14 Because it deserves such
"Just don't make it green! Or animated!"
--Deadpool
I like to mention one more thing
They both had good actors who carried the whole thing
Hal and the villian were childhood friends with Blake lively. Hal is the jock funny guy that took Blake lively from the nerd. He never got over it and lives alone
You know this movie is bad when teen titans go made fun of it in their movie
You’re giving it too much credit. The film failed at being a good movie, much less an Iron Man wannabe.
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I have been a fan of Martin Campbell's work for a while, going back to Goldeneye. He has a distinctive look, and I generally like the way he frames his action scenes.
I saw very little of Martin Campbell in this movie and it's really weird. Probably a lot has to do with the extensive CG work (which still looks like garbage), but I dunno. The first shot I remember seeing, and thinking yes, this is a Campbell film, was the wide shot where Hal finds the ship, and it's at one end of the frame while the boathouse or whatever is at the other end. That's one of his shots.
I worked on the movie and Martin was very intense to work for but the post production was a hot mess unfortunately! The script had to be redone a few times and Hollywood loves to start the movie before the script is done! The opening scene had Hal dropping the girl off at the bus stop like a hooker but thank God they left her in bed with water in the tap 😂
Tony had nearly everything at first, he was just a genius cocky bastard, but he was still entertaining and the acting from RDJ was also flawless.
Then he got kidnaped, lost everything and realized his weapons were also a big part of the problem, but he still got himself out of the situation in a believable way because he's brilliant and capable of it (with a little help ofc) He kinda proved to the audience that he's much more than just cocky billionaire..
That was the main point that got most people hooked and love the character.
I think the fact that Hal has the power to literally create anything he imagines, but he only makes swords, guns, jets, cars and other real life stuff;
It just shows how uninspired this film was
I mean to be fair that’s how it is in the comics and other shows as well because hal is limited on what’s in the real world do that which he imagine as he’s seen.
The ring isn’t omnipotent tool to solve all problems.
I was looking for this comment. I mean, that car-race-track thing was just so silly, like a little child's fantasy.
To be fair that's how hal is in the comics, however there's Kyle raynor, another green lantern who is much more creative with his powers
I've never been impressed with how they portray GL powers, except for a few instances. I remember an episode of JL where Kilowog goes into a floating meditative state and creates a mass of flowing tendrils to re-assemble a nuclear battery on a time limit. THAT'S what I want to see. Jessica Cruz's elaborate constructs in the comics (I loved the Fatal Five movie, but they bungled constructs there too) are spectacular as well. But then you have unimaginative Hal with his guns, and Jon just making orbs and shooting beams, no form to his constructs at all.
That's how it is in the comics
Especially John
John just shoots laser and makes shields
And Hal makes hammers,guns,swords and all
You forgot one thing: How to fail at Iron Man AND CGI (and green for the heck of it).
Ryan: Hey, at least I succeed at something.
An outline for a good "Green lantern" movie:
1) Hal Jordan is introduced as likeable person of strong will and morality by a montage of his everyday life that makes him showcase these exact said qualities. The relationship with Carol Ferris is also established somewhere here.
2) Hal is summoned by dying Abin Sur to become a new Green Lantern. Hal and the viewer see Abin Sur and the Green Lantern ring for the first time simultaniously. The ring then immediately takes Hal to Oa.
3) Green Lantern Kilowog meets the newcomer and tells Hal (and the viewer) about the Green Lantern corps, its goal and the newest enemy it's currently at war with - the Yellow Lantern corps who get powered by the fear in oppose to the Green Lanterns who get their power from the will. Hal and Kilowog takes a liking of each other during the dialogue.
4) Hal is assigned as a pupil to an experienced Green Lantern Sinestro. Next follows the montage of: 1) Sinestro training Hal, 2) Sinestro and Hal fighting crimes and Yellow Lanterns on various planets, 3) Hal's personal life and relationship with Carol Ferris suffering from his new job.
5) As they come to trust each other more, Sinestro reveals to Hal his doubts about the rightfulness of the Green Lanterns' way and about the wrongfulness of the Yellows' way.
6) Problems in personal life combined with the things Sinestro has told him make Hal decide to relinquish the Green Lantern ring.
7) As Hal starts to think of himself as a selfish coward not without a friendly advice from Carol Ferris, Sinestro joins the Yellow Lantern Corps.
8) Sinestro comes to Earth hoping to covince Hal to join the Yellow Lanterns as well. He stumbles upon Kilowog who has come to Earth hoping to convince Hal to come back to the Green Lantern corps after all. Sinestro defeats and seriously wounds Kilowog. Learning from Sinestro that he is up to create a deversion for the Yellow Lanterns' surprise attack on Oa, Hal agrees to join their corp hoping to foil Sinestro's scheme from within.
9) Hal gets Sinestro captured in the middle of the deversion, the Yellow Lanterns' attack fails, and Hal joins the Green Lantern corps for good.
Love these comparison videos sprinkled with bouts of insight. Keep it up, bro!
Oh god I can't believe I forgot about the megamind dude.
Yea I completely forgot about Hector Hammond too.
Lmfao mega mind
I'm glad this didn't killed his career nor scared him of cbm since he will be in The Batman
I forgot about the nephew.
That's an insult to Megamind. Take this back.
@2:05 Green Lantern didn't *need* all of that story complexity and exposition, just as Marvel could have loaded Iron Man with as much unnecessary material. The first Lantern movie didn't need Parallax; that could have been saved for a second or third film. It didn't even really need Oa or the larger Corp. It just needed Hal getting the ring and becoming Green Lantern. Of course, the movie's writers also didn't need to change Hal Jordon into a different character, even if comic book Hal Jordon was considered as dull as wet cardboard.
I agree one or two of the DC animated films did the story way better. The ring finds Hal, and Sinestro was a GL and spoiler he kills the alien Hal Jordan previous lantern. He and Sinestro are partnered together and Sinestro showing Hal the ropes after meeting, joining, the GL. Sinestro was dirty and Hal didn't like it. But Sinestro betrayed the GL corps for the yellow and basically it ends up Hal vs Sinestro, in an epic fight with HJ winning. Idk why they didn't just follow that story. But if the animated movie came out after then nvrm. Please anyone correct me if I'm wrong.
@@RollingDodge i think it's because hollywood is scared not having human characters in movies, Hal was only human in that animated film
@@RollingDodge Yeah, it should have been Sinestro. Sinestro is to Green Lantern as Lex Luthor is to Superman. Parallax is more comparable to, say, Brainiac. You wouldn't start off Superman with Brainiac.
I freaking love these videos, keep me coming
4:39 love that added sound effect nice touch
Summary.
The shiny computer graphics costume sucks.
The villain sucks, and the most important thing in a story is the villain, great villains make great stories.
The protagonist did not show his merit, his bravery or qualities, or he showed himself, it was insufficient.
I wouldn't say the most important thing is the villain. For example, Robert Redford's character in Winter Soldier is underwhelming af but Winter Soldier is still a great movie.
As a saying goes, "a hero is only as good as their villain"... From a writer's POV, a good, strong villain can make it easier to build a hero... unless they are gonna Mary Sue it, then it's screwed
For me the problem is the villains. Since Hel is a rather passive and childish hero, the villain would have to challenge him and let him become active.
Instead, the movie has 2 villains who are really bad. So instead of letting our heroes show his full potential, they are very easy to defeat.
@Imaru Lewis I'd say he was, but it is somewhat up to debate. A better example would be Guardians of the Galaxy 1. Ronan was boring as hell and also unambiguously the main antagonists. Still an amazing movie.
@@kidanarchy2105 I think it was cause the villain in the winter soldier felt more like hydra being a secret agency. Robert Redford only felt like a hydra character and not a brilliant villain. He wasnt the mastermind in the end
You beat filmento with bad dialogue, he comes back at you with how terrible your writing was, you beat him with useless explosion to cover plot inconvenience, he comes at you with a story circle, and you will pray that you beat him with the explosions.
This channel is low key hilarious and I lol everytime I watch one of your vids
Great video as always!
I remember watching Green Lantern and feeling like they jammed three movies worth of content into a single film. Film 1 could have just been Hal receiving his powers and learning (through sheer will power) how to wield them, but not effectively against an alien threat. End the movie similar to Back to the Future with the reveal of the Lantern Corps. Film 2 would be focusing on training and expanding on Galaxy building, giving Hal a reason to fight for the Galaxy and not just earth, ending in the big bad reveal of the Yellow Lanterns. Film 3 focuses on the build up and defeating of the Yellow Lanterns.
Thats 3 acts. You need to give him a purpose in each movie. You can make those things overarching themes of a trilogy, but he has to be doing something besides early latern learning in movie 1. Luke Skywalker learbs of the jedi, starts learning but has the death star as the "boss" of the first movie.
Considering it is a comic action comedy, he needs an opponent in the first movie.
Basically they should have used the Luke Skywalker template instead of tying to graph the iron man template.
Hal Jordan is a cardboard cutout personality like Luke. But it’s his reaction to the fantastical stuff around him that makes him interesting.
That’s why everyone says just do Training Day in space.
Didn't they do something like that with the First Flight DTV movie?
never thought of luke like that. That's actually really interesting insight.
That's pretty much Spider-Man in a nutshell too, it's not HOW he obtains his powers but what he DOES with them that reveals his true character.
@@MrSottho not at all since peter is not as simple as luke since peter is book smart character whose becomes superhuman after being a nerd with low esteem to a cocky quippy guy whose ambitious to stop crime as a sort of self punishment from not being able to save his uncle so he tries to save everyone he can from that experience.
This makes him a much more complex character from a basic premise.
Luke isnt a cutout he was so iconic his character became the cliche character
I love how he explain everything he makes it really interesting
7:32 Bro Your Editing is Top Tier, Subscription!! Love Your Videos
I don't know much about Green Lantern. How far into the comics does Sinestro form Sinestro Corps? Would it work in one movie to have Hal get the ring, meet Sinestro, and then have him fight Yellow lanterns with his new Green Lantern buddies?
Yes, that would've definitely been the better option. I typed out a whole long thing but deleted it because the main point is focusing on Sinestro as the main villain of the film would've been able to fix almost everything. At the very least turned it into a more compelling story than what we got.
Alternatively, we could've made the conflict more grounded and had the bulk of the film being coming to grips with the ring's powers and fighting a more real world enemy (maybe the guy we got in this movie just minus the Parallax bit and the godawful screaming), THEN the Corps calls for him at the end to set up the next movie to begin with him training on Oa, thus giving him a new thing to overcome. Sucking at being a Green Lantern. Probably get to a Sinestro storyline from there.
Watch Green Lantern First Flight, basically it's a buddy cop movie until Sinestro is revealed to be the villian as he's using fear
I say they probably should’ve fought with the red Lanterns first or some other giant galactic threat like an associate of Darkseid or something to build up the cinematic universe without it being to forced then the next movie be about the Sinestro corps, considering how much of a big deal Sinestro’s betrayal was to the Green Lantern corp it really wouldn’t be done justice in just the first movie without getting to know Sinestro first.
@@brandonlyon730 Personally I think they should just gone with Zach's idea, and just a made Superman trilogy that built up to Justice League.
@@KRYMauLYeah making Supermans second appearance in the cinematic universe be his famous death against Doomsday was a big mistake.
even deadpool wants to forget about this movie
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 yes I love that scene in Deadpool 2.
_You welcome Canada._
He tried to save us by killing Ryan Reynolds to avoid he to film Green Lantern.
More like erase it from existence
wait, so technically he finally succeeded in committing not live
Absolutely perfect comparison, analysis and breakdown.
Your editing is hilarious. Great video.
I think having DC's debut movie should have been Flash, that would have basically fixed every problem Green Lantern had.
Green Lantern was at an all time high in popularity in the comics though, running from Green Lantern Rebirth in the mid 2000's, through Blackest Night in 2009 where Green Lantern was more or less the biggest thing going on in DC. They thought they were riding the wave.
Thing is, Green Lantern has a really large and complicated premise to communicate to an audience. It would be hard to do correctly even *without* adding two extra villains to develop and execute unnecessarily.
Dang, beat me to it.
I think they should have used steel if they were trying to copy ironman
@@projekttaku1 Can't have Steel without killing Superman.
At least this led to Ryan and Blake's marriage, and endlessly jokes.
So two good things came out of it I guess.
Did you have a stake in their marriage or something?
dude i love your editing style
"The relationship isn't even close to direct, but instead the sum of all these proxy relationships"
Here's your direct relationship: Hal likes Carol. Hector likes Carol. Hector is now in direct competition with Hal for Carol.
You also say he didn't earn the power, but in a scene you specifically showed us, one of the other Lanterns says that the ring sees something in Hal that he doesn't yet see. This movie is his entire "earning the power he's been given" arc. One big Chekhov's Gun. The bulk of the movie is the setup, and the climactic end is the payoff. He finally earns his spot in the Corps.
I normally agree with your critiques of movies for the most part, but it annoys me when you ignore things blatantly like this knowing full well not ignoring it would blow the argument you're trying to make out of the water. Saying Green Lantern is bad is like a meme now. You have to agree and say that because everyone else does so it must be true. Maybe, maybe not. I for one have nothing to complain about aside from the fact that people ignoring important details and writing this movie off as crap have made it so we'll never get payoffs for some of the bigger setups like Sinestro's scene at the end.
I'm going to have to disagree with your points entirely. First, that direct relationship you mentioned isn't strong enough to carry a supervillain's motivations in a serious superhero movie. "I want your girlfriend and I'm going to kill you for her" is the motivation of an 80's teen movie antagonist, and even there it's over the top and nonsensical. Also, the video specifically said that Hector's direct link to Carol wasn't shown except for one small scene where the two of them were together at a party for a few seconds. That's not enough to build a strong link between characters.
Second, one of the other Lanterns does say that the ring sees something in Hal that Hal himself doesn't see. It's perfectly fine for Hal to not see it as part of the narrative, but the audience has to be able to see it. Otherwise, you just have another example of "tell, don't show" instead of the other way around.
Also, what exactly does Hal do to earn the power he's been given? He does a bunch of training, but again, for what? It's not like Paralax was set up at the beginning of the movie, and now the Green Lanterns need Hal to become stronger in order to help them face Paralax. Everything indeed felt like it was happening because the movie needed it to happen in order to progress.
I mean, you say that he earned his spot in the Corps at the end of the movie, but he was in the Corps the whole time. He was handed the secrets and the training and the knowledge already. What exactly did he earn that he didn't already have?
Also, the CGI was ass-ugly. There's no argument about that.
Ryan Reynolds: This is going to be my masterpiece
Gets shot
Deadpool: you'll thank me later, Canada...
Wait, but that means Deadpool should disappear b/c he is the same actor... 🤣
@@jacindaellison3363 Yeah, this is the joke
@@dartoney oh ok. Thanks. How does it play out in the movie?
not to mention that they shouldn't have even mentioned Parallax in the first movie let alone beat him, that was the equivalent of Iron Man defeating Thanos in the first damn movie.
Completely forgot Taika Waititi was in this movie.
I think he also wants to forget about it
Same
If Green Lantern got a reboot, they should definitely try to convince Ryan Reynolds to reprise his role, if only to make constant jokes about this film. It would probably be near impossible, and require a rough shoot with someone else to prove that it was actually written, but I think it would be worth it.
I watched this film alot when it first came out and during those years, it's just difficult to hate movies I grew up on like this one.
For what it's worth, the US Air Force doesn't teach post-stall maneuvers because they consider them too risky to be practical in an actual dogfight, so what Hal does is ballsy, just not in a scenario where it means a whole lot
Well, that, and WW2-style dogfights don't really happen anymore.
Do stall happens because one go straight vertical to altitude limit? No, stalls happen if your plane airflow does not generate enough lift. Straight up and presenting tail that long also problematic to say the least
Most modern airforce doesnt rely on post stall maneuver because stalling means you are at almost 0 energy and energy dictates dogfight more than nose authority, especially in engagement with multiple enemies.
Btw its nothing personal, no disrespect intended. All i am trying to say is that his prove of bravery is not well written, like filmento said
*cheeseburgers should be a pivotal plot device of every good hero: for example:*
pulp fiction: what do they call a cheeseburger in france?
Royale with Cheese
I love Pulp Fiction
they actually call it cheeseburger... like everyone lol
@@jakpote88 ye ik, but it's a quote from Pulp Fiction
@@samiahmed2327 sorry didnt know 😂
They're talking about quarter pounders, not just regular cheeseburgers
I think, if a story has a complex backstory that needs to be told first, then that's where the story should start. Go to the beginning. Start with Alan Scott, Green Lantern, then go to Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps.
Please make a video of The Watchmen, I think it was a really underrated movie that a lot of people overlook because of how “slow” it is. I feel is has some really deep real-life implications and human behaviour and even if you hated the movie I would still like your opinion on it. Love your videos, btw!
11:18 Why does Ryan Reynolds look like Ben Stiller whenever he's wearing his mask and looking straight at the camera during Green Lantern?
I mean, have you ever seen them in the same room at the same time?
I feel like it's important to note that the film does in fact have a core theme/message/whatever: the meaning of courage. Not the absence of fear (what Hal believes at the beginning), but the determination to go on despite it (which the villain fails, getting literally consumed by his fears, and Hal learns, defeating the Evil Space Fear Cloud). It's a concrete arc! It's just that it's also hamfisted and juvenile, the type of lesson delivered by a hundred Saturday Morning Cartoons and conveyed better by 80 of them. But it's the closest the movie comes to making anything personal and compelling, and so worth mentioning.
Loved your use of memes and old movie scenes.
After watching this video I started to think about what made Hal's character work in actual comic books. Here are my thoughts: Hal IS a bit of a douchy jerk in the comics, but his heart is very much in the right place. He has this complex of idolising his father as a hero, a hero he himself aspires to become, even if it means taking borderline suicidal tasks. If the script took that route, I believe it would've worked much much better
That opening scream montage was one of my numerous complaint for this movie: I didn't see Hector did anything to deserve this. The movie is essentially bullying him while allowing Hal to be a dick.
If the ring was supposed to choose a fearless person, then Tom Cruise is your guy
Bloody ring can't even get it right
"... just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!"
The man's in Scientology. Fearlessness is discouraged.
Nah, Keanu Reeves is
fun fact: Tom Cruise was the original consideration for Iron Man before RDJ
All thanks to John Favreau
0:00-0:22 Im not even 2 minutes into the video and I already found the opening very funny, nice editing Filmento
good analysis as always.
Greenlatern’s connection to the antagonist:
Antagonist: I am your father...’s roommates cousin.
Greenlatern: what does that make us?
Antagonist: nothing really.
8 Years Later, Deadpool goes back in time and kills Ryan Reynolds before production of Green Lantern and also says:
YOU'RE WELCOME CANADA!!!!!
Very well articulated 👍
They wanted a green lantern movie starring Ryan Reynolds and they got it.
I'm glad this movie exist though...
So it can become the joke in Deadpool
You’re welcome, canada.
Green lantern isn’t and should never have tried to be a slapstick franchise!!
The dude fights lovecraftian horrors daily, a low budget dc space horror film would be tight as fuck
@@shealupkes in Green Lantern earth one comic he's an astronaut working in space. Very much like Alien movie.
I still Hope for a new movie about Green Lantern, he has so much potential.
9:18 Chris hansen time?
I was watching Ava (2020) and I really liked the opening credits. They used that time to show photos and documents (kinda fast) to build who the character was overall, so they don't have to later.
So when the movie really starts you see that she isn't that person anymore. She betrayed expectations of others and herself.
You should check it out.
I always said they should have used the Emerald Dawn mini series from the 80s as an introduction movie instead of Geoff Johns' stuff.
Hal Jordan is in jail for a DUI and sneaks out at night to train with Sinestro, while his cellmate Willie finds out his secret and he has to confide in him. It would have been a buddy cop film with just enough exposition from Sinestro to Hal and Hal to Willie. It would have been relatable with Hal at a low point. It would have naturally built up Sinestro for a sequel when we see how he runs his planet.
In the right directorial hands, it could have been a much better story.
This is your funniest video. Your clips edited in are hilarious.
14:47
"I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former room-mate."
"What's that make us?"
"Absolutely nothing."
Remember the animated Green Lantern movie First Flight that was described as Training Day in space?
Good times.
As a small child I fondly remember visiting my grandfathers house and running to open a giant trunk full of old comics.
The most memorable were flash, fantomas, and green lantern.
Green lantern holds a special place in my heart, such a shame they completely butcher his spirit and history in that movie...
That Chris Hanson bit 😂😂😂. Genuis!
0:01 the beginning of the Snyder cut lmao