The Republican Party’s Decay Began Long Before Trump
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- Опубликовано: 3 июн 2024
- After Donald Trump was convicted last week in his hush-money trial, Republican leaders wasted no time in rallying behind him. There was no chance the Republican Party was going to replace Trump as their nominee at this point. Trump has essentially taken over the G.O.P.; his daughter-in-law is even co-chair of the Republican National Committee.
How did the Republican Party get so weak that it could fall victim to a hostile takeover?
Daniel Schlozman and Sam Rosenfeld are the authors of “The Hollow Parties: The Many Pasts and Disordered Present of American Party Politics (press.princeton.edu/books/har...) ,” which traces how both major political parties have been “hollowed out” over the decades, transforming once-powerful gatekeeping institutions into mere vessels for the ideologies of specific candidates. And they argue that this change has been perilous for our democracy.
In this conversation, we discuss how the power of the parties has been gradually chipped away; why the Republican Party became less ideological and more geared around conflict; the merits of a stronger party system; and more.
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“Democrats Have a Better Option Than Biden (www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/op...) ” by The Ezra Klein Show
“Here’s How an Open Democratic Convention Would Work (www.nytimes.com/2024/02/21/op...) ” by The Ezra Klein Show with Elaine Kamarck
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Rainbow’s End (www.ucpress.edu/book/97805200...) by Steven P. Erie
An American Melodrama (www.google.com/books/edition/...) by Lewis Chester, Godfrey Hodgson, Bruce Page
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The media used to play a gatekeeper role, too, at least against those who said things that were profoundly ignorant, unhinged, and incoherent, remember that, Ezra?
Sadly the media now promotes that behavior. The Murdoch's and Fox Corporation were successful in changing the laws and removing guardrails to allow unethical reporting
The media created the narrative that , if you are not a Republican , then you are liberal.
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I would say the decay of the republican party started in the 1930's when the democrats started to introduce the new deal. This pushed the republicans into supporting the capitalist elite who will do anything to gain more power no matter what the consequences for anyone. After the success of the New Deal they became about denying reality which was doubled down on with the civil rights movement.
The rot became cemented by Ronald Reagan who combined these two denials. The denial of the success of the mixed economy and the denial of America's racism and it's just been escalating ever since. Trump really was just an accelerant and pushed the republican tradition of denying reality to the extreme.
One of the most leftist presidents in US history was Teddy Roosevelt and he was a republican. It was really the New Deal where the modern republican and democrat parties were born with the democrats siding with the unions and the republicans with the capitalists.
I agree, the media is culpable, CNN in particular
Worms can only thrive on something that's already rotten.
True, and in this case it is the shift in demographics. GOP had little sway on nonwhites until it abandoned ideology. Demogogary works on any ethnic group.
Like in the Rotten Apple 🍎🍎🍎
He made social divisions, including racism worse. The macho mentality, unimaginative, anti-intellectual, risk taker is the antithesis of creativity. Trumps the dangerous dolt he appears to be.
I often go back to the Newt Gingrich era, the "zero sum" attitude arrived.
But it would NOT have worked if the majority of the party had not bought in.
The GOP defined a grievance.
The GOP offered a relief from the grievance.
And in Trump they put into place their solution.
This fall the electorate will decide if the solution will work.
It started with Nixon, was supercharged under Reagan/Bush, then Gingrich and his cohort nailed the coffin shut.
we can't simply blame one person or even five or six people, this has been the goal of movement conservatism since its inception.
furthermore, y'all need to watch more Chomsky. Democrats are not any less guilty they're just better at giving us a just a little bit to pacify us. even Carter was controlled by monied interests.
I also recommend watching the plot to unalive FDR.
this evil goes back to the very beginnings of our country.
It’s pretty simple: money, money, money.
Get the excessive dark money out of our politics.
Amen.
You think there was more Dark money going to Trump than to Biden? No way.
$5,688,069 - Joe Biden
$2,510,005 - Bob Menendez
$2,362,312 - Hillary Clinton
^Money from Pro hIsraael to US Senators 1990 - 2024
225.2 billion from 1951 to 2022, hello to the defender of democracy who will ban me for wrting this comment of publicly available data!
compromise is the heartbeat of democracy. to perceive the opposition as your enemy puts you on the road to creating autocracy.
There is no compromise with the Corporate Succubus Slavers, they bought both parties. Both parties sold humans down the river.
That's exactly what Joe Biden has done.
Funny because the Democrat Party has been a problem for over 50 years.
@@johndietz3735 please clarify.
@@johndietz3735😂 shhhhh 🤡
Clarence Thomas has taken $4,000,000 in “gifts.” There’s some serious decay right there.
gifts or grifts?
And you counted every penny.
Thomas is MAGA so I love him!!
It’s crazy a super corrupt justice can’t be impeached????
@@joshntn37111disgusting
Trump is the apotheosis of McCarthyism, & i refer to both Senators McCarthy...
Well put.
Agree
Personally,? I Prefer Melissa McCarthy. And we should. 🎉
Trump uses the word communism in the exact same method as Joe McCarthy.
Fear mongering on an ignorant audience to exact a political goal wholly unrelated to communism.
The only difference, Trump is drunk on power.
I felt the shift start post, Reagan. The right hated Clinton. They REALLY hated having a black man in office. I saw this coming with the Tea Party. I told republican friends their party was being highjacked by nuts. I sold advertising on News Talk radio, which carried Limbaugh. I watched his listener's hate build and build. And Trump came along and tapped that vein of discontent and hate.
Hate is and was purposely manufactured by the leaders of the right.
Trump the antichrist.
You are nuts
Didn’t see nothing but I did see Donald was a fraud FROM THE GET GO.
No youre not nuts.
trump went after his own party with WARP SPEED.
While Biden is completely WRAPPED!!!
The party didn't matter to him, he just wanted the party most easiest to con. That was the "poorly educated" GOP voters, they were his only option and he was right!
This is what I needed to hear, and, read. Thank you. Having lived to my mid-70's, i was bewildered by the 2020 Republican "convention". Well, both conventions really. I'm going to listen to this a few more times, take notes, anf order the audible version. Clearly, I'm way behind the curve of events. Who scares me more than Trump is Mike Johnson, the True Beliver. Bring back the gatekeepers? 😮
Mike Johnson does not scare me...he puts me on guard....makes me require boundaries...and keeps him under my microscope....
Your comment about how the “GOP is an engine for turning social resentment into tax cuts” is spot on! I’d add “tax cuts for corporations and billionaires”.
I would highly recommend Heather Cox Richardson's "Democracy Awakening", which traces the roots of the authoritarian right back to before the Confederacy and shows how figures from Nixon to Reagan and Gingrich, while not ostensibly authoritarian figures themselves, employed authoritarian tactics and language in pursuit of power and got the snowball rolling.
How were they authoritarian ?
@@lalaboards The commentator did not say they were authoritarian but rather they "employed" authoritarian tactics and language. Read any history of how Newt Gingrich employed a calculated campaign of attacks against political opponents, casting himself as a saviour in a fight of good versus evil. His vicious yet totally hypocritical weaponised campaign against good government is right out of the authoritarian's playbook. People forget that while the Republicans were trying to impeach Clinton over his affair with a White House intern, Gingrich was cheating on his wife with an intern!
I can’t recommend Heather’s blog: ‘A Letter from an American’ more! The historical context she brings to our current events is priceless.
So many ‘experts’ ignore Hamilton’s call for generational aristocracy and other Federalist nonsense, let alone Hoover or McCarthyism, when they talk about this. The rot on the right, including the graft and lying, began before the country’s inception-the Constitution was written precisely to wrest control from the poor who had just a tiny bit of it in the Articles of the Confederation (the thing the Revolutionary War was actually fought for). Gah. Mumble, mumble.
And why not trace everything back to the garden of eden ... Or Cain & Abel
Delegates as gate keepers seems to contradict the analysis of political science: delegates who go vote in converntions always represent the more radical groups of a party.
Direct democracy is the only path to freedom. Party politics ends in oligarchy & corruption. We have the technology to govern collectively, we don't need representatives any more. That is the future of free peoples.
And the other problem is that voters only have the realistic choice between 2 parties - and not between 3 or 4, as it is possible in more advanced democracies like in Europe. If voters dislike the Democrats and dislike Trump - so what then?
To bad, us pleebs aren’t intelligent enough to make decisions for our selves. Better leave it to the insiders in Washington to decide for us!
The deck is stacked.
For me, I stopped voting "for."
In 1980, I couldn't stand Reagan, but was not excited by Carter. So I went instead for third-party candidate John Anderson. But I would have been okay if Carter had won a second term. Obviously, I got my worst-possible outcome.
So I stopped voting for the person I wanted and started voting AGAINST the candidate I thought was a disaster. I have to admit, the Republicans have made that approach pretty easy.
@@stephenbonaduce7852 that is the reality
As an outsider from NZ looking in, from the 1960s, I can precis this with two points.
1. Right up until the resignation of Nixon, both democrats and Republicans were intrinsically linked to the Keynesian economics of the New Deal, high wages and high taxes, unionism and fair bargaining, protected pension schemes, and progressive development lead by government intervention. That ended after Nixon, with the take over of the Republicans by the extremist monetarist elite under the disguise of Milton Friedman and associates, advocating a complete reversal of those policies. They lied to the electorate and pushed through monetary reforms that ended all the protections, economic and political, for the average voter.
2. The Bushes continued with the same policies and further poisoned politics by sharpening the political divide by terming Democrats as traitors, especially with the connivance of Gingrich and others. They did this partly to entrench wealth and partly as revenge for Nixon.
By the time Clinton and Obama came to power, the rot had set in, with Americans disinterested and suspicious of politics. Trump is the result. Lack of civics education isolated the masses of voters, and "race to the bottom" economics created sn underclass in America.
At the moment, that underclass is leaderless because Trump betrayed them, but many don't recognise that fact - yet!!!!!
When they do, there will be one of two things: either a revolt, or a resurgence of interventionist economics under real left wing Democrat politics.
you are 100% correct! I find an astounding that an outsider can pick up on this and make such a well-thought-out, detailed comment while people here in America don't seem to know Jack diddly about how government works.
@@intuitionz1198 if there's one thing that the history of America teaches onlookers, it's the power of resilience. Americans have this inevitable quality in spades. That's why I, and outsiders who are historically educated, never give up on our allies. Ultimately, we all come from the same stock, - English yeomanry, - the original settlers of Britannia dating back to the Beaker people and beyond. We all have imprinted on our DNA self reliance, self sufficiency, and community first. Their ancestors populate UK, USA, NZ, Canada, Australia, and their moral and legal codes are prevalent world wide.
@@intuitionz1198 Not 100% but in the high 90's - he is missing that the democrats are complicit in this also. When Reagan /Friedman declared war on labor - it decimated Unions - which was the primary source of funding of the Democratic party. Subsequently - they went towards - corporate funding - similar to Republicans . Historically repubs got their funding from extraction industry's -oil , mining - defense contractors . The Dems aligned themselves more with more white collar industries Banks, Insurance, finance subsequently they adopted economic policies that are "republican light " that eroded a lot of their base - and despite what people like to say - those people are not stupid - they know it - and in 2016 Trump had no record to run on - so he spoke very directly to those people - and told them that they had been lied to - and they knew that is true . That is why they took a chance and tried to go with Trump when in reality - he did not really deserve any more consideration for President than he did when he ran in 1988 . He was probably less qualified by then in that he had a considerable record of failure in business - that he did not have in 1988.
The Republican Party's decline began in 1980 thru 1992 when Reagan and the first Bush waged full out war against the working class of America.
In 1980, America was great for the MAGAs (the white working class in America). They had good paying union jobs, they owned their own house, had good health care, had good pensions, could afford to send their kids to college, had savings rather than being buried in a mountain of debt. And, in 1980, 30% of all working Americans were part of a union. By the time the first Bush left office in 1992, that number was down to 10%.
The decimation of the unions led to both parties pandering to the rich for their political donations (bribes). The first manifestation of that for the Democratic Party in 1992 was implementing globalization. First with NAFTA in Mexico before a full blown movement of all US manufacturing to China - and with it all of the good paying jobs that the MAGAs once had.
Plus there were other things like allowing CEOs to own stock in their own companies which led to round after round of massive layoffs to prop up stock prices, the implementation of LBOs which destroyed millions of American workers' pensioin plans not to mention destroying the companies they worked for and the defanging of the SEC among other corporate atrocities.
The second Bush picked up the ball from his father in 2000 thru 2008 having created the environment for the great mortgage scam of 2008 which threw millions of working class Americans out of their homes while not a single bankster was prosecuted.
By the way, all of this was catering to the 1%, the elites represented by the Republican at the expense of the white working class conservatives who were decimated by what Reagan and the Bush's did to them economically. And, of course, this was all before Trump.
Disenfranchised both economically and politically, the MAGAs chose Trump as their vehicle to tear down the political structure that had destroyed them economically. And Trump partially delivered, draining the swamp of the conservative Republicans who had stabbed them in the back.
The MAGAs aren't done using Trump either. When he gets re-elected in November, they expect him to finish the job of draining the political swamp by making sure no Democrat gets elected to anything again. The MAGAs are all for a wannabe fascist dictator to get their retribution against the politicians who, using American democracy, stole everything from them.
So yes, Trump is a symptom, not a cause of the death of the old style conservative Republican Party. They did it to themselves.
And we the people voted them in over and over because we’re so dumb because of their attacks on education and simpletons getting mad over social issues and ignoring what they are actually doing.
40-50 years of increasingly shrill fear-mongering and villainization of liberals has produced. GOP electorate who has lived their entire life believing this hateful rhetoric. The problem is, the GOP has now created a monster they can no longer control.
"You can fool some of the people all of the time..." Today these are all GOP voters.
@@SnappyWasHere Hear, hear!!! Exactly!
We haven't voted yet. You seem to suggest Trump is a foregone conclusion but poll were wrong in 2022.
@@sheilawade433 Biden will not get a single vote from anyone under thirty. The question is whether they will turn out and who else can they vote for. Trump isn't much of an alternative. But Biden has proven himself and the Democratic Party so brazenly corrupt that they are absolutely paralyzed when eschewing basic morality and humanity to back down and cower to the PAC groups that own them. Young voters, having had this incredibly ugly scenario slammed into their faces, will never vote for Biden. Not only that but the assault on the younth's free speech afterward on college campuses sealed the deal even worse.
I think DJT gets too much credit for his come behind win n 2016. He was surrounded by people like Bannon, Stone, Limbaugh, Steven Miller and many others who had already identified the huge dissatisfaction in the working classes both republican and democratic with their “establishments”. They just needed a narcissistic strong man - enter DJT. He followed their script for the most part. He would have just raised his brand name and walked off into the sunset except by exploiting those schisms in both parties he unexpectedly won the election by a very thin margin. With the taste of power and the immunity that goes with being a sitting president, he doesn’t want to let go of either. Again in 2024, he doesn’t care about governing, he just wants the power and to stay out of jail. Democrats need to be pointing this out and talking to the working class about why Biden does want to be president and what he can do for them.
So many in the white working class only listen to right-wing media. They live in a different reality now.
I do wonder where the loyalties will go after Dump passes. The whole thing is a cult of personality. To my eyes there is no successor.
@@SideYardCat How about Vladimir Putin or Bozo the Clown.
@@SideYardCat No there's not, and the preachers know it. That's why they want a Trump autocracy.
Mumbles????
Interesting to learn the history of this question. Thank you. But I see the problem of the old system for the Democratic party. People will not vote for the candidate if he is elected by the "establishment". I also understood the problem of "establishment" finally. I am a naturalized US citizen, I was not born here and I didn't get the sentiments behind "government is run by the establishment". It looks like the reforms were inevitable. I also understood why Republicans ever were winning the elections on such ridiculous issues. They created more illusion of care about the voters' needs. I think the establishment can't be a gate against populists anymore. It should be education and a better understanding of your interests for people who vote.
But I disagree about Joe Biden. So far I see him as the strongest candidate among Democrats. He is moderate, he reduces the antagonistic pressure, he is willing to compromise where it is possible and stay strong where compromise is impossible. I see few candidates who can be good in the future. Kevin Newsome for example. But I see that right now he will be attacked worse than Biden - the narrative that California is a communist state with a failed economy is very strong and supported by the media. I live in California and I know that it is a false narrative but even in California people believe it. Politicians also think that if you have a woman candidate then women will vote for her, or if it is a black candidate - blacks will vote. Also false narrative most of the time. I am a woman but I will not vote for Nikki Haley because she will destroy the middle class and most likely cause a recession. I support women's rights and I am pro-choice but the same is Biden.
I also like Pete Buttigieg as a candidate but I don't think that the fact that he is gay will be beneficial for his election. It doesn't influence my vote, and there could be few people who will vote for him just because of that, but there would be lots of homophobes who wouldn't. And he needs to prove himself positively so he will be able to show more of his achievements. Kamala Harris is also a great politician, but she is not popular either. The fact that she is a woman and a person of color will not help her at all. So I see Biden as the strongest candidate so far.
good points. But in a country of over 300,000,000 million people there are much better candidates than Biden and Trump. The narratives you mentioned are from the powerfully successful right wing message machine and until the Dems learn to message better they will continue to lose to it. This same machine continues to promote bigotry so any minority candidate would need to have enough charisma to overcome US bigotry. Only Obama could do that so far.
I'm old enough to remember the '68 Democratic convention in Chicago. If you don't remember look it up. Things have changed since then.
What’s not to understand about kingmakers when 10 or so families control more wealth than half of the country’s population. Historically, oligarchies evolve toward autocracy.
No legal consequences to lying is key. Trump and Fox is the prime example.
Got it Biden shoudn't lie or else he'll be punished for it
So Republicans have Fox, but the Democrats own nearly every other media…NYT, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, Reuters, AP… This fear is exaggerated and creating unnecessary fear. I would be more worried about campus extremism fighting for terrorism, dividing Democrats and losing support on all sides.
Don't you mean CNN and MSNDNC?
Lying is only illegal in advertising. All other lies covered by 1st amendment. Being able to lie easily is a prerequisite for all politicians.
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Trump has been successfully sued for defamation (lying) and so has Fox, for huge sums. As far as I know MSNBC and CNN have not.
No behavior in humans or animals can be understood except under the light of evolution. We (and other animals) have formed tight social groups since before we left the trees for defense and survival. Call them tribes or cults, they are all the same. When environmental stressors rise, so too does our tribal behavior. This is how you get Nazis or Islam or the Khmer Rouge or Rohingya genocide or Christianity or Rwanda genocide or MAGA or Aztec human sacrifices or Jonestown. The list is too long to write out or read. The stressor we have now, besides climate change, is the consolidation of wealth and subsequent corruption of government that has shipped American manufacturing out of the country (NAFTA) and left millions of disaffected, oxycodone addicted Americans with no hope except for the lies of a con man. Only critical thinking taught in K thru 12 could give us any hope of avoiding this human pitfall, but the religious right (cult) will not stand for that. Cults are based on lies, which are the differentiator and the glue that holds them together.
@kevinJmadsen : You comment is very, very accurate
We are witnessing a political crisis in the US. One party bent over to a tyrant, and both parties could not put forward leaders who are younger than 77 years old. This is not normal situation but a manifestation of a crisis.
also, a distillation of generations old problems: those first three words, "We the People"... in Seinfeld speak, "who ARE these people?", if they drew it up better would we have picked 2/5's more cotton? and who are these deviants procreating with non-people....? just saying. ; )
Be glad it’s generational. Will take years to get some form of sophistication.
I have read you for years, Exra- but I never knew what your voice sounded like until today. You sound youthful. 🎉
The inmates took over the asylum …and the guards and wardens helped
The assumption of perfection of these disconnected Ideologues, dripping with molten superiority is the fuel that drives MAGA. The accountability that awaits after the restoration of constitutional government will be rich.
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It would really make your show more “watchable“ and obviously more listenable if we could see you guys talking! Radio is too passé anymore; time to catch up Ezra! 😅
Kind table type more appealing. But glad they are at least here.
Only the Shadow knows.
The Republican Party is the bottle and Donald Trump is the KOOL-AID!! 😂😂
Orange flavored kool-aid.
poison koolaid
Here here. 👏🏿
And you are very Despondent.
@@johndietz3735Only in Black Metal
I hope listeners sit down with their high schoolers and listen and discuss. There was a time that was different. Trump and the GOP have cast a pall over our society. It's too late to save the GOP. The youth need to have a better political space to land before they too become cynical. It's all up to them.
Groomer....... You sound like an ice cream salesperson living in a white van down by the river
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They are already doing that. Our education system is totally aligned with the left….
Funny because I see more cynicism in the Democrat Party.
@@johndietz3735because that's what you want to see. I'm not a Democrat or a liberal, but it doesn't take a genius level IQ to see that that's just not the case.
Great info thank you professional journalist😊
Mere opinions
A nominee not a public officer.
Political parties are private social clubs.
Yes, yes, yes! Finally. I dated it to Newt Gingrich's Contract on America. It could go back to the Carter-Reagan years. The rot has been festering for decades.
Im just thankful that Tump ran as a Republican and ruined their party.
TRUMP IS an ENTERTAINER, I'M NOT BEING ENTERTAINED by him as PRESIDENT 😢😢😮
🎯ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. Thought I was the only one who knew no one else has said it.
People like being entertained. Slip in some lies and see what works - got ya.
No one is entertained by DJT and I believe that he wants to destroy America and build an autocratic government and he would be a regime that has all the decisions made by DJT.
But how do we stop it? Where are the guardrails to prevent tyranny? Help!!!
In our maga future I expect to see statues of Newt.
Very good video. Trump is a national embarrassment.
Hard to say a party is “decaying” if it keeps winning elections.
It goes back generations to when the problem was with racist Democrats and Republicans alike. But in the modern era, like most of the problems of today, it can largely be traced back to the Reagan administration.
No Problem!
@@johndietz3735 I don't know which drugs you're on but they must cause hallucinations.
North vs south. The poor southerners have always been used. Black, white, red and yellow.
The nyt's decay began long before klein.
At the very least it's been gratifying to watch the so-called moral majority and GOP debase themselves for this man-child.
That water has flown! DP
Dedicated to Bill Krystal, who lets his partisan hatred boil over at unfortunate times. His harshness when speaking about Hunter Biden was Republican pearl-clutching, and R jealousy, on full display (Krystal's paragraph of a contribution in Harry's TALKING FEDS, alongside the gracious Tara Setmeyer and the lovely Ted Lieu, recent podcast.
All this makes sense if you don’t think the establishment was always a front for the oligarchy.
ok, good stuff. first time on this channel, i must suggest as i have elsewhere,, y'all got to stop, or minimize terms like "Playmate" or "Porn Star" as if it is some kind of hall pass. pretty sure most dudes would want to be in (or out of, lol) them shoes, and most of the ladies gonna say, "of course, what you gonna do? who can compete?" please just call it adultery, out loud, that may get the attention of these weirdly conflicted evangelicals. just sayin'. just call it adultery, label the man an adulterer and one will be hard pressed to find a stray stone on the street. ; )
I'm disappointed to hear even Ezra Klein minimize that case by calling it the "hush money trial". The trial was never about hush money. Paying someone hush money is not a crime. This was about business fraud and election fraud and this case has never been taken seriously because irresponsible media talking heads keep dumbing it down because they think the audience is too dumb to realize the implications. The issue is that Trump committed fraud to effect the outcome of the election. And that IS a crime.
18:50 lol. I am 14. Lmao YOURE WELCOME
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Nothing about Bernie? odd. It seems to me that the elites keeping him out led to a significant chunk of people moving to trump.
They did talk about it, but more in the light of "who would be the anti-Bernie", as if we can just assume that there NEEDED to be such a person.
Bernie doesn’t even enter into the minds of these swamp creatures. They automatically write off anyone who isn’t “moderate” as loony and unelectable. Even though he came close to beating Hilary and Biden despite their cherished dnc sabotaging him at every possible turn.
Bernie who? This is about the Republican party...what GOP Bernie is there?
@@StringerNews1 did you listen to the whole thing?
@@AvantTom listen? No, I'm not illiterate, I could _read_ the post! No text-to-speech needed! I didn't realize I was talking to mental midgets.
For a minute, there, I couldn't believe my ears, that someone had taken notice of Washington's dire warning. But, boom! Hopes immediately dashed, as, despite Washington's warning coming exactly to pass--he only left out the names 'Trump' and 'Putin': Nope: 'the parties just did it wrong'! HA! The parties did exactly what every tribe ever assembled did: fight other tribes, However good the intentions of 'founders', (exactly as happens with charities and companies too), once they move on, tribalism just continues with the most ruthless taking charge and human nature reverts to type. It really is tragic how 'tribe conditioned' today's 'wise men' are compared with 18th and 19th century thinkers. :(
It began with The Founding Fathers and....
Never got better.
The Founding Fathers spoke for the times. We have to imagine how ppl thought then & remember social issues were SO different than they are now. We've got to take that into consideration when we read their words.
The real problem with the Constitution is the INTERPRETATION of it. Republicans began misinterpreting what they meant & taking things out of context to fool the masses. So many are repeating the same lies or comments because most of us don't want to read the exact words, which can take forever. Some of us can tell what the general meaning is by reading the main parts. Some of us learned & remember about the constitution in school. Republicans don't want their gaslit ppl to understand the writings bc they've lied to America about the constitution for decades.
This all got helped by social media & it has spread like crazy bc trump SAYS so, repeatedly.
But it was meant to be
Can't imagine the kind of feral hate that enslaves the minds of anyone who misses the racial politics of the 18th century.
It’s generational. Give the society 20 years.
51:27 until bernie, screw the gate keeper crap.
53:26 she probably wouldn't say it because the voters wouldn't buy it and she would have just gone and said "yes we decide who you can elect not you.". like yeah just say it out loud, this isn;t democratic and it isn;t supposed to be in a conversation where the people are rallying against the anti-democratic process.
Bernie is not a Democrat. His socialist appeal was anything but for a lot of moderate Dem voters.
@@JohahnDiechter and how many on the left were turned off by yet another milk toast candidate?
like i said earlier screw the gate keeper crap, you've already got representative democracy you don't need less democracy in the selection of candidates.
@@kitrana not enough to make the difference. Bernie did an amazing job at being influential despite losing.
Harris is Vice-President in large measure because backfilling her Senate seat in California with a Democrat would be a slam dunk. Schumer, eminently qualified in my opinion and suitable for taking the baton in 2024, also with a secure Democratic seat, does not want the job. THAT is a problem. Bernie is even older, but he is in decent condition. But then folks know he could rapidly decline while in office. Backfilling Corey Booker's seat is a bit scarier. How hard did they look at Democratic governors?
This comes from 2 people who would be considered far left extremists in any other period in history
Great discussion. However I think they leave out basic tools, such as fear mongering, and out right lying. Okay, now i see I spoke too soon. But i still say, these tools are more in use than others things.
Began with Goldwater.
Ezra is saying Trump is dangerous because a relative took over the RNC? This happens all the time in politics. Ezra needs to check his obvious bias.
It's all about Evangelical and woke people and they need to feel like they are better than someone else. I call it socially acceptable racism
Explain what is so scary about “woke”?
All good Christian 😂 soldiers. 🤮
I love the Republican party takedown. Then you guys go to the Biden and Harris criticism - which is constructive, but I don't fully agree with it. Especially the knocking of Harris. She's perfectly fine. Yeah, she's not popular, but no one is in today's political world.
she is not perfectly fine. let me guess, you think Oprah is perfectly fine too? people really have to learn to look deeper
Interesting take, but when did the decay of the Democratic Party begin? That's a totally underanalyzed aspect, and current events have brought its relevance to the fore.
Discussing this stuff is a complete and utter waste of time. The only thing that is important to understand is that political party policies are now just branding, the political parties are just tools to create policies for their donors, so they have to adhere to brands that they know have traction among a constituency, and maybe the brand has to be compatible with their donors. There is no such thing as integrity in politics anymore, its all an illusion, you have a handful of genuine politicians who are actually concerned about issues and the parties have to incorporate them, but there are too few to actually change any real policy in ways that are sound and comprehensive. In other words its a shit show, its all an illusion. Maybe if we get money out of politics this will somehow change but right now its a complete waste of time to discuss this, the parties will. just opportunistically do whatever gets them elected.
I quite agree with this analysis. The parties were at one time the font of the funding of most candidates. They could fund a candidate…like Nixon, Johnson or Lincoln who were not wealthy men… and filter out some of the clowns. Not every state had a primary. Most states had alternative means of nomination that required the approval of the party leaders. Now it is all money; no vetting; and no need to get the money from the party.
Scary
Weird political noodling that says nothing meaningful about either party. Biden is old. Harris is just not right, for some strange reason. And let's throw in some snarky reference to Martin Van Buren.
I especially don't understand the dismissal of Harris from certain reasonable center-left types. "She sucks because reasons."
@@SCL8294- Hear-hear !! (Or is it, “Hear-here” or “Here-here” ??)
A main point of the vice presidency is to allow maturation of a younger-generation future candidate. You just watch her if Biden is intellectually-disabled or dies before election-day.
Once in office, if w/ a democratic Congress, she may be the first president to begin unwinding America’s de facto empire & re-allocating those foreign anti-democratic values to a new re-construction of American citizenship and domestic life.
What a better way to end the authoritarian sentiments of January 6, than an inaugural address concluding with a new Pledge of Allegiance that parallels the oath of office she has just taken - not to a flag or other symbol but to our Constitution and republic -
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, One Nation, Indivisible, with Liberty, Dignity, and Justice for All.
Hey, I made all that up w/ no knowledge of how Harris would do the presidency… but the one thing we might hope for is that she’ll not be an imperial president who, eg, reverses good things done by their predecessors - Bush 43 reversing the bipartisan Clinton budget surpluses or earlier in their terms - Johnson adding the Vietnam escalation deficits on top of infrastructure, social spending & the space race.
LBJ tore a big rip in the social fabric and set us on a long period of inflation, the combination enabling reactionary neoliberal policies adverse to the working class. Bush ended the deficit reduction surpluses while falsely getting us into the Iraq invasion, prolonging it beyond reason, and getting us into the Afghan forever war by refusing to accept the quick defeat of the Taliban.
Just tell us what you really want Ezra - one party rule.
Clearly someone's not paid close attention to what he's said -- he has spoken passionately about the need in a two-party system for two healthy, viable parties.
But sure, make inaccurate, glib comments and feel better about yourself, but know that anyone who's actually been listening will look at such a remark and chortle at how unserious and inattentive the commenter who would post such a thing is.
Sounds like.
Don't threaten me with a good time!
Well-worth listening to, from beginning to end.
I look at these 2 guys pics and see a lot of soy going on.
How about :
“The Democrats’ Decay Started Long Before Donald Trump”
Bill Clinton, neoliberal, absolutely a problem.
The New York times has now become a propaganda outfit.
Yellow journalism.
Like most news sources, the NYT was always a propaganda outfit. It just depends on whether their propaganda fit with our propaganda.
As well as the Washington Compost.
@@DennisMoore664 you are correct. My view has changed more than the New York times.
Should change the podcast to the TDS show
Are we too late to make ranked choice voting work?
Ny time is a joke
[17:00] To argue that conservative disgust with Bush led to Trump ignores the even stronger and broader disgust with both Clintons.
I think conservative disgust with W is what opened the Republican party up to allow Trump to rise to become the candidate, but indeed distaste of the Clintons, Hillary in particular, was certainly a huge factor in his winning the general election.
In addition, Clinton neoliberalism combined with Trump populism did serve to shirt a lot of once reliable Democratic voters (like union workers) away from the Democrats and toward MAGA.
@@matthewsemrad1474 Re: losing union workers - true (though that started with the Reagan Democrats), but I think it was more a reaction to the excesses of the intolerant political normative behavior of the more radical progressives that fomented what they call the revolution. Pity they only just recreated a conservative copy of that intolerance.
@@jonlittle5032 That isn't what I hear from the interviews and anecdotal evidence. I hear how Bernie Sanders was on the picket lines, while Joe Biden spends every Thanksgiving at the mansion of a Private Equity baron. Why did Pelosi get the Speakership, because she was so great on working class issues? Nope, it was because she could fundraise from those bigtime donors.
I think the social push hasn't helped, but honestly I see that social push coming at least as much from the mainstream Dems as the progressives. Look at Biden selecting Kamala and telegraphing that he'll choose a black woman for SCOTUS. Look at Pelosi et al kneeling with Kente cloth. That wasn't AOC's idea.
And I'd argue it wasn't the adoption of these issues that drove the white working class away so much as the adoption of these issues to the EXCLUSION of working class fiscal issues. If the mainstream says how important abortion is, but not how important union membership or living wages are, they appear to have made a choice on where to spend their political capitol, and it doesn't include the working man.
I'd argue that's why you see men of color leaving the party and turning to Trump.
I think working class/union workers have been painted with a broad brush that they oppose these societal changes and that's why Dems are losing them. I don't think that's so. They may not be the cutting edge of progressivism, but I think they instead feel that their issues are being ignored.
@@jonlittle5032what the hell is a Reagan Democrat?
@@intuitionz1198 go og le. omg.
Do you even know any non jewish people?
This is absurd.
so voters dont matter?
“He’s so creepy!”
Do not be fooled by these guys.
The downward slide began with Reagan.
True interest rates dropped from 21 to 6% cars , homes, appliances and life became more affordable for millions of people. Very impressive downward trend.
Democrats vs federalists, democrats vs whigs, democrats vs republicans, democrats vs...?
Democrats vs anti-democrats.
Democrats versus the neo Confederate Christian nationalist Trumplican RINO extremists
It's easy to defeat the Democrats....put wedge issues in-between the progressive social Democrats and the liberal democrats like we see with the Israel issue right now....
I disagree about Biden. He is a moderate and for that reason, I can see disinfranchized Republicans voting for Biden over trump. Same for Independents.
Yr Chinese, lol. Yr funny.
I've listened to only half of the above but what it seems to me the conversation is like discussing the kind of cheese Mickey Mouse prefers. Mickey Mouse is a fictional character; similarly the characterization of the GOP as a political party has been a fiction some time before Nixon's presidency. Political parties govern, the GOP does not. The GOP is simply a lobby group for the rich and has been for decades. Since the rich represent a tiny percentage of the voting population, the GOP needed to court other interests. Just before and during the Nixon years, it was the racists. After the abhorance of racism became more mainstream, the GOP started to court the "guns and god" voting block. But whatever voting block the GOP courted and whatever their rhetoric, their policies were geared to favor the rich.
But in the last decade (and perhaps earlier), the guns and god voting block has slowly migrated into the legislative sphere, thus morphing the GOP into more than just a lobby group for the rich. It is gradually becomeing a fundamentalist christian party. And the rich will live to regret this, because there are far more voters in the guns and god group, than in the wealthy group. As the GG group flexes its voting and legislative power, it will try to transformed the lives of the middle class. And if they succeed, the black-and-while thinking and self righteous characteristics of evangelical fundamentalism means that the lives of the wealthy will be next.
The obviously unconstitutional, regulations in the states LA and OK to teach christianity in public schools are the most recent evidence of this transformation.
Raising funds after his conviction, to your delight, is a grift for sure.
Lol
Utopianism De Kiein Style!!!
how abt democratic party
The dems aren’t decay?
Why use the cross-eyed picture of Daniel Schlozman?
For real. Rude! (unless that’s a medical condition)
@@karlav2023 I searched his name to view other pictures of him to make sure prior to posting my comment. I didn't see any other cross-eyed pics.
😛🤣💀
When did the Decay of the Democrat party start
well Obama promised "fundamental transformation"..
@@56spider Hope And Change 🤡
@@56spider That is being achieved into the Dystopia we are now living in. Mission Accomplished. Obama, or Black Jesus, is the Democrat party wearing collective Black Face. One of the real reasons they hate Trump so much is the Black Caucus's agenda is not improving black lives, so if someone comes along and actually does that, it is a threat to their power and the power of the Establishment of the control centers of power.
Post Civil War
after FDR. so I guess we could start with Truman. at least he openly admitted he never wanted to be president.
So irrelevant
Oof that point towards the end. As a non-citizen I cherish liberalism and fear democracy. And one cleavage between older and younger democrats that I sense is that the older ones prioritize democracy for citizens over liberalism for all people, whereas the younger ones tilt the other way.
How can you cherish liberalism and fear democracy, when a tenet of liberalism is democracy?
@@WhyTheHorseface political scientists have used the term Illiberal Democracy for a while now. Fareed Zakaria wrote a book about it. Couple years back Yascha Mounk wrote "The People Against Democracy", but really it should have been titled "The People Against Liberalism".
Illiberal Democracy has been prevalent in American history, the Jim Crow South was an illiberal democracy. Today almost all of Eastern Europe, Russia, Turkey, Iran, Israel are all examples of it.
@@AlZ-oy4si that’s great, but is the exact opposite of what your original post said. Your post directly above says yay democracy, boo liberalism. Your original post said boo democracy yay liberalism. Liberalism itself says if liberal, then democrat. Do you understand? All democrats aren’t liberals, but all liberals are democrats.
@@WhyTheHorseface Is that a tenet of Liberalism (capitalized) or lower-case liberalism?
@@ShankarSivarajan there is one definition of liberalism. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
The Ezra Clown Show 🤡🤡🤡
It all started with Newt Gingrich.
I started with Ronald Reagan. Newt just took it to a different (much worse) level with the aid of fox news.
Newt was the opposite of Trump. Newt was trying to nationlise congress around patriotic values. Trump and the new Newt Gingrich are dividers, not unifiers.
Wow, a thousand views. A drunken bear dues better than that, lot better actually. Hey! Write when yr drunk! Might do better.
Unlistenable nonsense.
Each theme is delusional.
Two Days Dreamers
Two Nerds ard melting snowflakes 🌨️
[37:00] Direct mail, small contributions are a Rep thing?? Uh, Clinton? Obama? This is not a gimmick of just one party.
Outstanding!
Yawn…
Now do the democrats….
Agreed. My big thing is how Obama fracked us in 2010, after I volunteered for him based on his climate rhetoric. I even took a sr. science job in that field based on the administration's pronouncements. I should have quit on day 2. And, BTW, I hope your home and family are ready for some really bad times. Good luck. And remember, the process is irreversible. No going back now.
The Democratic Party as much as they suck they are our only hope at this point.
Freemasons.
I thought that they covered that part. But, I was listening.