It's interesting to see what gaming communities this conversation leaves out, a bit like the real Mt Rushmore. Games that changed the scene overseas like StarCraft and League of Legends; the CRPGs and point and click adventures like Monkey Island that shaped PC gaming, and the generation of PC gaming that followed with Doom, Quake, Half-Life; the tech titles like Gary's Mod; the edutainment in schools like Carmen Sandiego or Oregon Trail that made up some people's only gaming exposure before adulthood; the massive MMOs like Black Desert online that are responsible for kick-starting starting the isekai obsession that took hold of the imaginations of all modern anime writers; the KOF series that alone created and maintained the arcade culture of the entirety of Latin America and China (countries where owning your own gaming system has often been inaccessible, making these arcades the center of gaming culture), and Tekken which did the same thing but for Pakistan; the games like Second Life that brought in the social gamers; the games like Sim City that brought in the manager gamers; the games like Counter Strike that unified competitive gaming across the planet; the games like Pokemon that made gaming a central aspect of pop culture. Gaming is so much more than the consoles that were big with the nerdy kids in the 90s-00s. I think we're missing that.
You guys are insane! FFVII was way more significant in the story telling/rpg department. While GTA III and Metal Gear Solid are great mentions, FFVII has to be way more recognised and appreciated.
You guys lightly touched on it in the video but an episode talking about genre defining games would be interesting. Like Roguelike, MOBA, MMO, Soulslike, Metroidvania, etc.
Really surprised how much I align with your choices. Didn't see you guys pulling wow out haha. I would personally put botw or totk in the 4th spot though.
This is a tough and interesting topic, but this was the closest I could get to one that made sense to me Super Mario Bros: the most important game ever made Street fighter 2: arcade and competitive gaming Minecraft: open world indie unlimited creativity The last one you could pick a bunch for narrative but I’ll go with Metal Gear Solid, to this day one of the best engaging and cinematic stories gaming has ever seen I tried 😅
Is the story of MGS really that engaging though? It’s about a guy who’s a clone of another guy sent to stop another guy who’s a clone of the same guy while lots of weird guys try to stop him.
@@BasketCase-rr7tx oh it can get really stupid don’t get me wrong but in the moment playing that game for the first time it was unlike anything I had ever experienced. However I get it you could make the argument for a different narrative game 😁
@@BasketCase-rr7tx The narrative category isn't really about the qualities of the story itself (writing, characters, subject matter, etc). It's about the evolution of how story was implemented/presented in this medium (cinematic, performance, blending story and gameplay, etc.).
@@BasketCase-rr7tx That's still talking about the writing and the substance though. I feel the spirit of the category is about what pushed forward how story is presented in the medium, or perhaps how integral story could be alongside gameplay in video games. Maybe the story was all over the place in its content, but it was still pretty new ground in terms of implementation.
A simpler delineation: -Arcade: PAC-Man or Street Fighter II -Console: SMB1 or Mario 64 -Handheld: Tetris or Pokemon -Mobile: Fortnite or Minecraft And if we can add a fifth category: -PC/Mac: Doom or World of Worldcraft (you could swap in another shooter, sure- but the whole notion of “Doom clone” is pretty foundational to that genre and PC gaming in general)
I sort of view any Mount Rushmore of games to be the 4 most important games and I’m not sure any ones pre 2000 make it despite there be a lot of very important at ones. For me it would be 1. Pac-Man - shows the community of arcades, mainstream penetration 2. Tetris - the broad appeal of video games that can be on any platform and understood easily by any person 3. Super Mario bros - the success of it solidified consoles as a thing people wanted 4. Legend of Zelda - I think it highlights the imagination of gamers and how we all craft our own stories and engage with games in different ways In the end there’s no one right answer. Great show!
I dont understand GTA as a symbol of narrative story driven games. Granted I havent played them but the thing those games are known for and loved for and made it popular was thatbit was a sandbox and you could do so much and the player had so much agency. I don't hear devs of todays narrative driven games citing GTA as their inspiration to make them. You hear Metal Gear.
My take is: Tetris, Pokemon, World of Warcraft, Minecraft. Tetris = old school/arcade and GOAT time after time. Pokemon =Handheld schoolyard fever, most profitable franchise. World of Warcraft = Massive Multiplayer, millions of people, no one hasn't heard of it much less played or knew someone who did. Minecraft = huge sales, popularity, community, coming from an indie success.
The second Tim said “WoW” I gained so much respect for him. WoW is easily on the Mount Rushmore of gaming. It’s been going strong for 20 years and it’ll keep going for 20 more despite all the doomers. Tim is my new favorite person in Kinda Funny. Suck it, Nick!
I know Greg said, "Roosevelt?" in a joking manner as if to say, "Why is he here?" But I think it brought up a different perspective. What if you picked the best/most iconic game from the big 3, then had the 4th spot as an indie/PC/misc game. If that were the case, I would have to say mine would be Super Mario Bros (Nintendo), God of War 2018 (Playstation), Halo 2 (Xbox), Minecraft (indie). Could easily replace Minecraft with GTA3, 5, Pac-Man, or Fortnite or God of War with a Metal Gear game btw, but that's where I'm leaning
Pong- Because typically regarded as the first video game. Super Mario Bros.- Elevated gaming to an every family household level. My next 2 are a little more wonky. Metal Gear Solid- for how often it's cited as the game changer for narrative storytelling. CoD- not sure which one really because Im not a fan personally but I feel like it eas the first series that reached such popularity that it bridged gamers across the world with online multiplayer. I thought about WoW for that reason hut I think CoD reached a higher level of popularity and has the widest ranging player base from the most casual to the most hardcore gamers. This would be a fun topic to break out for every so often for different genres.
If yall don't have time to have lunch you might want to relook at the structure of things. You could run into some HR issues and it's important that your employees don't overwork themselves.
1. PAC-man; the most iconic retro video game 2. Super Mario 64: where 3d games were brought to their full potential, expanding scope 3. Metal gear solid: showed the world that video games can be taken seriously as a storytelling medium 4. Breath of the wild: the near/perfect open world game that everybody likes.
Birth: Pac-man (people had the fever, and he was the first icon of the industry) Growth: HALO 2 (Master Chief bridged gaming with online technology. It was the next step in the evolution of gaming and causes the multiplayer/deathmatch craze) Developement: Minecraft (Steve would be the representative for a game that is the highest selling, and one that has spread to just about every place of play, and is played by the newest and oldest gamers alike) Preservation: Super Mario Bro (Mario ushered in the realization that not only home consoles were viable, but handheld as well. Mario has been a constant and maintained popularity throughout as well as ever changing genre styles. Mario games are some of the last to have physical copies as well)
@@AREAlhero I'm sorry but this is simply insane. GTA 3 is the first open-world sandbox game ever. It was phenomenally popular and immediately established a genre that continues to be probably the most prolific genre in gaming 20+ years later What are you even talking about?
@@None-lx8kj It quite literally is not Hunter came out in 1991, as an open world sanbox game a decade before GTA3, and before then you had games that laid the groundwork for open world by following The Legend of Zelda. Also open world is not a genre, it is a design philosophy; which is why you put it before the genre like in "open world RPG". Sandbox similarly also isn't a genre but a design pattern. There are not even that many examples of games that are true sandboxes. GTA3 is objectively a lot less influential that you think. You can attribute more of the open world boom of today to Oblivion and Skyrim than you can GTA3
Link has mastered top down adventure. Then 3d. Then survival with the last two. This video isn't bad though. Also I don't even like the last two Zeldas but I can admit they are amazing.
My personal list would be Tetris, Halo, Super Mario Bros, Pokémon. If it has to be specific titles then it's Tetris, Halo 2, Super Mario Bros, Pokémon Gold/silver
I think OG Wolfenstein should've at least gotten a mention for it's influence on FPS. I think it was the first one? But it inspired so much starting with Doom, then HL2 and Halo, now COD etc.
Tetris - maybe the perfect videogame and is still popular today. Mario 64 - what it did for 3D games is monumental and it also hit a sky high bar in quality even though it was the first of its kind. FFVII - was the first JRPG that broke through to Western world, emotional storytelling and gave us the greatest soundtrack ever by the greatest composer ever Nobuo Uematsu. Super mario bros - It literally saved gaming after the videogame crash and its blueprint can be felt strongly even today 39 years on
23:35 Pubg started as a mod extension to Arma2's Dayz in 2013. It was absolutely not the pubg we got in 2017, but just like counterstrike started as a half life mod, it is the original concept that propelled the BR genre, so yes PUBG is the birth of what we think of as BR.
It’s just a shame that Tim is the only one of these four who experienced that stories impact back in 1997. Greg in particular is always talking about how story’s impact him in games, but no other game has ever had a story as impactful as FF7 was back then. Even FF6, which is arguably a better story, didn’t have the same emotional impact.
As far as cultural impact, especially prior to social media as it is today, I would say these are good representations of games that made waves and inspired so many games to come. Not necessarily what was best in the series or genre. "Classic": Super Mario Bros 3D: GTA III Online: WoW "Modern": The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim I could see Skyrim being replaced, but the modding community aspect of Skyrim has to count for something. And the fact it took on a life of its own, transcending 3 console generations (so far).
Tetris was not an arcade game in America until after it was released for GameBoy in 1989. Therefore, it is not an arcade era game. It surprises me how little you all know about certain gaming.
“If you go to this movie you enter a contractual agreement to get this story” This is such a bizarre take from Chris, who usually has very thoughtful critiques. It’s true, the trailers presented a strange premise. And walking into an M Night movie does require accepting strangeness. But the movie still carries the burden of justifying its premise once I’m sitting in the theatre seat. The writer still has a burden of making us believe the conflict. Buying a ticket is not a contractual agreement to buy whatever they’re selling. I can’t stress this enough
I think my argument for a VG Mount Rushmore is: -Pong (Birth, Washington); because it was the first popular game. -Super Mario 64 (Growth, Jefferson); because videogames "grew" into 3D and this was THE game of that 3D shift. -Wii Sports (Expansion, Roosevelt); because absolutely freaking everyone started playing games with this one, even people who don't play games. -Super Mario Bros. (Preservation, Lincoln); because of its role in bringing the industry back from the '80s videogame crash.
We are going to look back on Minecraft as being fundamental to a shift into the importance of indie games. The AAA space is on the brink of disaster, and we are also entering (or in) a golden age of indie games
@@9p.0 that's cool, I saw you said that. I was just saying it's wild to me, very interesting. Those characters must be special to you and that's cool. All from great games.
@@andrewpharr33 I’m just messin around with ya bru 😉 I love those 4 so much but really was just picking my formative group for my gaming experience personally. GOD DAMN IT, YOU MADE ME ELBORATE! GOD DANG IT I SAID I NEVER WOULD!!! 😂
Cant believe nobody mentioned any Resident Evil game, especially RE4! My Mount Rushmore would be: -Tetris -Super Mario 64 -Resident Evil 4 -Minecraft I think all these games were super impactful! Would also say that if storytelling is one of the Rushmore's, Silent Hill 2 would be my pick! Silent Hill 2 was the greatest story i ever experienced, and it brought up mature themes other games wouldn't dare to touch (And in such a tasteful manner)!
Really? GTA 3 for narrative? The protagonist doesn’t even talk, the cutscenes are all just showing up to a spot, being told what the mission is, then doing it. It definitely fall under open world as opposed to narrative.
I personally would've preferred their each individual Mt. Rushmore instead of the group consensus. And more in the terms of best of all-time like most people use it to describe something.
Ocarina of Time (for 3D and story telling, as everyone copied this formula, you could make the argument that something like Horizon has DNA found in OoT). Super Mario Brothers for icon, early games. World of Warcraft Minecraft
One of Miyazakis main inspirations for Soulsbornring was Ocarina Of Time. Major reason developers of action adventure rpgs always look back at, what many consider to be the greatest game of all time.
Final Fantasy 7 showed the world that video games could tell deep meaningful stories. It introduced CGI cutscenes to gaming and launched the Play Station. MGS did none of that.
Dude no. There is so much MGS DNA in games today. Look at quality of MGS cutscenes versus anything else, story driven narrative and production. FFVII isn’t even in the top 5 of story of its franchise.
Pacman. Super Mario Bros Metal Gear Solid GTA 3 Every modern game doesn't exist without these 4 Pacman pushed forward the GAME and strats of it while also introducing personality. Super Mario Bros was what got gaming into the home as a lifestyle and created the idea of going on an adventure, puzzles being presented as action where you're not just hitting buttons you're "jumping" you're attacking, you're collecting a thing that makes you bigger, it's all visually stunning and makes sense to both 4 year olds and 80 years olds. You can give ANYONE super mario bros and they're gonna figure it out and see the challenge. Metal Gear Solid was the game that was "holy shit this is a movie". Its what made a generation of games decide they can present themselves in the same way film /TV do. Hideo Kojima was the first director that treated it like he was making a movie. (Probably something to be said about Miyamoto treating being Super Mario 3's director like he was making a stage play that also helped make that game the first to touch on mixing games with theater.) GTA 3 was the game that the whole world seemed to know about and was the MATURE game that took over where Mortal Kombat had left off as *the* adult, 18+ game that had to have issues of violence and sex brought to the supreme court. Hilary Clinton had to have a stance on GTA because GTA 3 and the sequels hit so hard. It was the HOLY FUCK THIS IS WHAT VIDEO GAMES ARE?! game so much harder than anything else. This was the game you showed people and their jaws dropped that it looked so real and that you could do things in video games that are JUST based on real life stuff. Most everyone's driven a car around a city. Now not only were you looking at a game where you can just do that AND all the craziest shit you could ever want to do sitting in traffic. It introduced the idea of the escape through unscripted chaos. It's all just the player having fun screwing around. On top of just being 3D
37:50 Blessing and Gregg scoffing at the idea of a Final Fantasy being in the same conversation as Metal Gear Solid when neither of them have even beaten one of the classic ps1 FF’s is so laughable
Ya’ll HAVE to hire someone’s who is into JRPG’s, it’s a genre that’s constantly underrepresented on this channel, yes Tim has some history with some of the FF’s and Barrett likes Persona but there’s nobody like Imran anymore who is knowledgeable on one of the main genre’s in gaming.
@@millennialnerds2106It's a great story that was so powerful it's still relatable now and has possibly the greatest cast of characters in a videogame ever which factor into the story. It was also the first game that made me tear up.
I don't understand the argument of GTA 3 over Metal Gear Solid. I think you guys are underestimating just how big MGS was and continued to be with every new release.
If it has to be one or the other, I would say that GTA 3 did something new whereas MGS combined different things which were essentially already being done separately. They'd both be on my list, however.
Founding: Space Invaders -- it's ground zero for most japanese and arcade game development, any other game in this spot like Super Mario Bros or Pac-Man wouldn't exist without it. Expansion: Super Mario 64 -- A game so transformative and almost unrecognizable from where the series had started but it showed in real time how far video games had advanced. Preservation: GTA 3 (or franchise) -- It bears the brunt of most "games are bad" discourse and answers it with some of the most commercial success ever seen by an entertainment product, elevating the entire medium in the process while legitimizing it Unification: Minecraft or Fortnite - A live service multiplayer game that has successfully managed to stay alive long-term and connect people in a variety of different ways beyond normal genre tastes and interests, and EVERYONE plays them.
18 minutes in and I’m sensing a SEVERE lack of Chrono Trigger… My picks: Super Mario 1 or 3 Chrono Trigger Minecraft GoW 2018(10 years ago it would’ve been Halo 2)
@@RednGone yeah i just picked a game from the 80s, 90/early 00s, mid to late 00's, and then one from the 2010's. I'm not even that big of a fortnite fan but their ability to get crossplay and costumes from the likes of marvel, sony and xbox show just how big and important it is.
If there was a spot for corruption I would put Fortnite there. That game has influenced gaming for the worst, every developer wants a battle pass making for lack luster rewards. Every game wants to be always online. Loved me some Fortnite but hated how its effected gaming
Personally i understand you liking mgs for story but the gameplay i dont like. I just want to go in guns blazing and the steath anoys me too much. For story id like to throw in the first bioshock. When i do my mt rushmore i just do my top 4 games but if we do it like mt rushmore id say mario world, bioshock,tetris,and halo 2.also i dont care for mario 64 the camera and controlls arnt good for me.
Metal gear is not NEARLY as ubiquitous as GTA. Every single one of my friends growing up has played a GTA - maybe, and this is a big maybe- one or two of anyone I know personally has played a metal gear game other than MGS5.
My Mount Rushmore would be Sekiro, TLOU2, Shadow of the Colossus and Witcher 3. Shoutout to Journey and Limbo as Indie titles that were incredible experiences.
Much simple I would make the mountain to just show games and characters that have transcended media and time. Those that will always be a property. So a mountain with a tetris piece, Mario, the MK logo, and GTA logo too or COD
@jonahvandermel I thought about it and yea it's the oldest game known by more people. But Tetris was just on another level and was what really put video games on the map. I just went in a direction of video games being a fully recognized media
@@jonahvandermel yeah, Tetris was made popular on Gameboy in 1989 and SMW came out in 1990. You can't have founding and expansion that close. Good choices otherwise.
yeah, Minecraft has to be on this list. It's so important in terms of indie games, procedural generation (making development more accesible for indie developers), online communities, creativity etc.
Not to be that guy but also to be that guy, Mt Rushmore was designed as an insult to Native Americans. On the more light-hearted side tho, for me: 1. Super Mario - founding father of the modern home video game experience. 2. GTA San Andreas - the expansion to make video games these mega block buster products. 3. Minecraft - created a new model of making zeitgeist games. 4. Fortnite - changed how gaming is seen, used, and collaborated with and set a new standard.
The entire country exists because people from across the ocean genocided an entire continent, and then built the economy off slaves and drugs. Everything was bad.
There’s definitely an argument for Mario and Fortnite but San Andreas wasn’t any more influential than GTA 3 (plus by the time San Andreas came out everyone was already making open world games) and Minecraft was popular but I wouldn’t call it influential. I don’t feel like it was the inspiration for many other games.
I see, so youre saying that the videogame Mt.Rushmore should be Custers Revenge, Oregon Trail, Mortal Kombat, and Civ6. So that it keeps the theme of the original
@BasketCase-rr7tx Fair on the GTA 3, but I do feel like San Andreas went mainstream to the maximum. It was like movie level coverage. At least, that's how it felt in my school and circle. On Minecraft, I feel like the fact that a game from a tiny team went so HUGE and that it was a chilled out game too, I mean, that's pretty influential and special. Also, I've heard many people credit Minecraft Hunger Games as one of the early BRs, too. Minecraft also helped change how we see content creators imo, so another impact on the industry.
Blessings sheepishly looking at Greg when he couldn't open his drink had me in tears 😂
What time was this lol
That whole bit was killing me, watching Bless struggle waiting for someone to interject and Andy's "You ok over there Bless?" Comedy gold.
Same here, I was cackling 😂
It's interesting to see what gaming communities this conversation leaves out, a bit like the real Mt Rushmore. Games that changed the scene overseas like StarCraft and League of Legends; the CRPGs and point and click adventures like Monkey Island that shaped PC gaming, and the generation of PC gaming that followed with Doom, Quake, Half-Life; the tech titles like Gary's Mod; the edutainment in schools like Carmen Sandiego or Oregon Trail that made up some people's only gaming exposure before adulthood; the massive MMOs like Black Desert online that are responsible for kick-starting starting the isekai obsession that took hold of the imaginations of all modern anime writers; the KOF series that alone created and maintained the arcade culture of the entirety of Latin America and China (countries where owning your own gaming system has often been inaccessible, making these arcades the center of gaming culture), and Tekken which did the same thing but for Pakistan; the games like Second Life that brought in the social gamers; the games like Sim City that brought in the manager gamers; the games like Counter Strike that unified competitive gaming across the planet; the games like Pokemon that made gaming a central aspect of pop culture. Gaming is so much more than the consoles that were big with the nerdy kids in the 90s-00s. I think we're missing that.
Blessing and Greg's reaction to what Tim is saying at 7:30 is 10/10
You guys are insane! FFVII was way more significant in the story telling/rpg department. While GTA III and Metal Gear Solid are great mentions, FFVII has to be way more recognised and appreciated.
I personally believe that the characters have stood the test of time a lot more than the story.
You guys lightly touched on it in the video but an episode talking about genre defining games would be interesting. Like Roguelike, MOBA, MMO, Soulslike, Metroidvania, etc.
Really surprised how much I align with your choices. Didn't see you guys pulling wow out haha. I would personally put botw or totk in the 4th spot though.
Andy’s random outbursts of off the wall shit he says is me and my friend all the time lol
This is a tough and interesting topic, but this was the closest I could get to one that made sense to me
Super Mario Bros: the most important game ever made
Street fighter 2: arcade and competitive gaming
Minecraft: open world indie unlimited creativity
The last one you could pick a bunch for narrative but I’ll go with Metal Gear Solid, to this day one of the best engaging and cinematic stories gaming has ever seen
I tried 😅
Is the story of MGS really that engaging though? It’s about a guy who’s a clone of another guy sent to stop another guy who’s a clone of the same guy while lots of weird guys try to stop him.
@@BasketCase-rr7tx oh it can get really stupid don’t get me wrong but in the moment playing that game for the first time it was unlike anything I had ever experienced. However I get it you could make the argument for a different narrative game 😁
@@BasketCase-rr7tx The narrative category isn't really about the qualities of the story itself (writing, characters, subject matter, etc). It's about the evolution of how story was implemented/presented in this medium (cinematic, performance, blending story and gameplay, etc.).
@@RoaringTide Well in that case MGS is even less of an opition then seeing as the story is so stupid and doesnt really go anywher
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@@BasketCase-rr7tx That's still talking about the writing and the substance though. I feel the spirit of the category is about what pushed forward how story is presented in the medium, or perhaps how integral story could be alongside gameplay in video games. Maybe the story was all over the place in its content, but it was still pretty new ground in terms of implementation.
A simpler delineation:
-Arcade: PAC-Man or Street Fighter II
-Console: SMB1 or Mario 64
-Handheld: Tetris or Pokemon
-Mobile: Fortnite or Minecraft
And if we can add a fifth category:
-PC/Mac: Doom or World of Worldcraft
(you could swap in another shooter, sure- but the whole notion of “Doom clone” is pretty foundational to that genre and PC gaming in general)
Fantastic episode. Love this style of content!
I sort of view any Mount Rushmore of games to be the 4 most important games and I’m not sure any ones pre 2000 make it despite there be a lot of very important at ones.
For me it would be
1. Pac-Man - shows the community of arcades, mainstream penetration
2. Tetris - the broad appeal of video games that can be on any platform and understood easily by any person
3. Super Mario bros - the success of it solidified consoles as a thing people wanted
4. Legend of Zelda - I think it highlights the imagination of gamers and how we all craft our own stories and engage with games in different ways
In the end there’s no one right answer. Great show!
Great episode, guys! Always love the gamescast discussions.
Bless, why are you shaking that bottle like a Shake Weight? 😂😂
Muscle memory 😅
holy moly that's one hell of a thumbnail
I dont understand GTA as a symbol of narrative story driven games. Granted I havent played them but the thing those games are known for and loved for and made it popular was thatbit was a sandbox and you could do so much and the player had so much agency. I don't hear devs of todays narrative driven games citing GTA as their inspiration to make them. You hear Metal Gear.
I love Tim's energy in this episode.
Greg getting it in one is wild but like yeah, that's what it is. Now they just have to find some sacred land to steal and get that puppy built.
Pac-Man, Super Mario Bros, GTA III, COD 4: MW. Games that pushed the industry forward and also transcend the video game bubble into pop culture.
My take is: Tetris, Pokemon, World of Warcraft, Minecraft.
Tetris = old school/arcade and GOAT time after time.
Pokemon =Handheld schoolyard fever, most profitable franchise.
World of Warcraft = Massive Multiplayer, millions of people, no one hasn't heard of it much less played or knew someone who did.
Minecraft = huge sales, popularity, community, coming from an indie success.
1.Pong (birth)
2. Super Mario Bros (growth)
3. Doom (development)
4. World of Warcraft (preservation)
1. Pong started gaming
2. Mario Bros. saved gaming
3. Tetris preserved gaming
4. Minecraft unified gaming
I think WOW was a fundamental shift in the way that gamers playing the games are now a community sharing experiences and ideas.
10:30am is not lunch. That's just a late breakfast.
The second Tim said “WoW” I gained so much respect for him. WoW is easily on the Mount Rushmore of gaming. It’s been going strong for 20 years and it’ll keep going for 20 more despite all the doomers. Tim is my new favorite person in Kinda Funny. Suck it, Nick!
Insane that no one mentioned Doom!!!! Huge huge huge huge impact for PC gaming and gaming in general
I know Greg said, "Roosevelt?" in a joking manner as if to say, "Why is he here?" But I think it brought up a different perspective. What if you picked the best/most iconic game from the big 3, then had the 4th spot as an indie/PC/misc game.
If that were the case, I would have to say mine would be Super Mario Bros (Nintendo), God of War 2018 (Playstation), Halo 2 (Xbox), Minecraft (indie).
Could easily replace Minecraft with GTA3, 5, Pac-Man, or Fortnite or God of War with a Metal Gear game btw, but that's where I'm leaning
I think it shows how much the 4 don't need to be games that make sense to everyone
I love you guys.
Pong- Because typically regarded as the first video game.
Super Mario Bros.- Elevated gaming to an every family household level.
My next 2 are a little more wonky.
Metal Gear Solid- for how often it's cited as the game changer for narrative storytelling.
CoD- not sure which one really because Im not a fan personally but I feel like it eas the first series that reached such popularity that it bridged gamers across the world with online multiplayer.
I thought about WoW for that reason hut I think CoD reached a higher level of popularity and has the widest ranging player base from the most casual to the most hardcore gamers.
This would be a fun topic to break out for every so often for different genres.
If yall don't have time to have lunch you might want to relook at the structure of things. You could run into some HR issues and it's important that your employees don't overwork themselves.
You guys should do Mt. Rushmores for various video game genres. Also, surprised no simulation or strategy games were mentioned.
1. PAC-man; the most iconic retro video game
2. Super Mario 64: where 3d games were brought to their full potential, expanding scope
3. Metal gear solid: showed the world that video games can be taken seriously as a storytelling medium
4. Breath of the wild: the near/perfect open world game that everybody likes.
For me, it would be Pac-man, Mario, Cloud, and Master Chief. Might be the obvious choices, but it just feels right!
Just looking at Blessing's drink makes my stomach hurt
Birth: Pac-man (people had the fever, and he was the first icon of the industry)
Growth: HALO 2 (Master Chief bridged gaming with online technology. It was the next step in the evolution of gaming and causes the multiplayer/deathmatch craze)
Developement: Minecraft (Steve would be the representative for a game that is the highest selling, and one that has spread to just about every place of play, and is played by the newest and oldest gamers alike)
Preservation: Super Mario Bro (Mario ushered in the realization that not only home consoles were viable, but handheld as well. Mario has been a constant and maintained popularity throughout as well as ever changing genre styles. Mario games are some of the last to have physical copies as well)
I could swap out HALO with Doom possibly. Arguments can be made.
1. Super Mario 64
2. GTA 3
3. Halo 2
4. Metal Gear Solid
Solid list
@@spacemanleezy93 thank you!
There is nothing GTA3 did that Link to the Past didn't do. Same goes for Halo 2 and Counter-Strike or Quake
@@AREAlhero I'm sorry but this is simply insane. GTA 3 is the first open-world sandbox game ever. It was phenomenally popular and immediately established a genre that continues to be probably the most prolific genre in gaming 20+ years later What are you even talking about?
@@None-lx8kj It quite literally is not Hunter came out in 1991, as an open world sanbox game a decade before GTA3, and before then you had games that laid the groundwork for open world by following The Legend of Zelda. Also open world is not a genre, it is a design philosophy; which is why you put it before the genre like in "open world RPG". Sandbox similarly also isn't a genre but a design pattern. There are not even that many examples of games that are true sandboxes. GTA3 is objectively a lot less influential that you think. You can attribute more of the open world boom of today to Oblivion and Skyrim than you can GTA3
Link has mastered top down adventure. Then 3d. Then survival with the last two. This video isn't bad though. Also I don't even like the last two Zeldas but I can admit they are amazing.
My personal list would be Tetris, Halo, Super Mario Bros, Pokémon.
If it has to be specific titles then it's Tetris, Halo 2, Super Mario Bros, Pokémon Gold/silver
For its place in the actually history of video games quake has to be on there
I think OG Wolfenstein should've at least gotten a mention for it's influence on FPS. I think it was the first one? But it inspired so much starting with Doom, then HL2 and Halo, now COD etc.
Tetris - maybe the perfect videogame and is still popular today.
Mario 64 - what it did for 3D games is monumental and it also hit a sky high bar in quality even though it was the first of its kind.
FFVII - was the first JRPG that broke through to Western world, emotional storytelling and gave us the greatest soundtrack ever by the greatest composer ever Nobuo Uematsu.
Super mario bros - It literally saved gaming after the videogame crash and its blueprint can be felt strongly even today 39 years on
In what world do we just allow a man to say he confuses Beedrill and Abraham Lincoln and we just keep pushing forward
They’re so close in resemblance idk how you don’t confuse the two tbh
Best ad transition 31:17
23:35 Pubg started as a mod extension to Arma2's Dayz in 2013. It was absolutely not the pubg we got in 2017, but just like counterstrike started as a half life mod, it is the original concept that propelled the BR genre, so yes PUBG is the birth of what we think of as BR.
For the discussion up to the first 20 minutes of the episode My list would be:
Pac-man
Super Mario Bros. 3
Metal Gear Solid
Fortnite
Tetris, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
, Mario 64, Half Life 2
Sacrilegious, I love it
ff7 narrative and story >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> metal gear. easiest call ever.
It’s just a shame that Tim is the only one of these four who experienced that stories impact back in 1997. Greg in particular is always talking about how story’s impact him in games, but no other game has ever had a story as impactful as FF7 was back then. Even FF6, which is arguably a better story, didn’t have the same emotional impact.
FFVII was the first time I ever dripped fluid from my eyeballs
As far as cultural impact, especially prior to social media as it is today, I would say these are good representations of games that made waves and inspired so many games to come. Not necessarily what was best in the series or genre.
"Classic": Super Mario Bros
3D: GTA III
Online: WoW
"Modern": The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
I could see Skyrim being replaced, but the modding community aspect of Skyrim has to count for something. And the fact it took on a life of its own, transcending 3 console generations (so far).
Tetris was not an arcade game in America until after it was released for GameBoy in 1989. Therefore, it is not an arcade era game. It surprises me how little you all know about certain gaming.
Tetris, Super Mario World, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2, Half-Life. Those are mine!
bless really has a Twix coffee???
Demon Souls on the Mount Rushmore of gaming is a nice troll for *those* people. Well done, Andy.
“If you go to this movie you enter a contractual agreement to get this story”
This is such a bizarre take from Chris, who usually has very thoughtful critiques. It’s true, the trailers presented a strange premise. And walking into an M Night movie does require accepting strangeness. But the movie still carries the burden of justifying its premise once I’m sitting in the theatre seat. The writer still has a burden of making us believe the conflict. Buying a ticket is not a contractual agreement to buy whatever they’re selling. I can’t stress this enough
I think my argument for a VG Mount Rushmore is:
-Pong (Birth, Washington); because it was the first popular game.
-Super Mario 64 (Growth, Jefferson); because videogames "grew" into 3D and this was THE game of that 3D shift.
-Wii Sports (Expansion, Roosevelt); because absolutely freaking everyone started playing games with this one, even people who don't play games.
-Super Mario Bros. (Preservation, Lincoln); because of its role in bringing the industry back from the '80s videogame crash.
Couldn't figure out where to put it, but I reeeeaaally wanted to find a spot for Oregon Trail. Lol
WTF, y'all know what XBC is for Halo? That was my jammmmmmmmm.
Should the Mt. Rushmore be filled full of game creators instead of characters?
We are going to look back on Minecraft as being fundamental to a shift into the importance of indie games. The AAA space is on the brink of disaster, and we are also entering (or in) a golden age of indie games
Mortal Kombat has to be on there. It’s one of the reason games have ratings. It literally changed the game, pun intended.
Mario
Steve
Solid Snake
Doomguy
I won't be taking any questions, this is the way.
1. Andrew Ryan
2. Master Chief
3. Crash Bandicoot
4. Mr. Borne from Bloodborne
I will not explain or elaborate further in any way shape or form.
Andrew Ryan and Mr Borne but no Nintendo characters or classic PC ones is wild to me.
@@andrewpharr33 I will not explain or elaborate further in any way shape or form
@@9p.0 that's cool, I saw you said that. I was just saying it's wild to me, very interesting. Those characters must be special to you and that's cool. All from great games.
@@andrewpharr33 I’m just messin around with ya bru 😉 I love those 4 so much but really was just picking my formative group for my gaming experience personally. GOD DAMN IT, YOU MADE ME ELBORATE! GOD DANG IT I SAID I NEVER WOULD!!! 😂
Cant believe nobody mentioned any Resident Evil game, especially RE4!
My Mount Rushmore would be:
-Tetris
-Super Mario 64
-Resident Evil 4
-Minecraft
I think all these games were super impactful!
Would also say that if storytelling is one of the Rushmore's, Silent Hill 2 would be my pick! Silent Hill 2 was the greatest story i ever experienced, and it brought up mature themes other games wouldn't dare to touch (And in such a tasteful manner)!
Damn Greg ended this conversation 20 minutes in. Case closed. Lock it in.
This is KFG Vol. 3, Episode 64 (Episode 548 overall)
Really? GTA 3 for narrative? The protagonist doesn’t even talk, the cutscenes are all just showing up to a spot, being told what the mission is, then doing it. It definitely fall under open world as opposed to narrative.
Tomb raider needs to be on the list….game changer for adventure games
Mario, Snake, Liara, GLaDOS
I personally would've preferred their each individual Mt. Rushmore instead of the group consensus. And more in the terms of best of all-time like most people use it to describe something.
Ocarina of Time (for 3D and story telling, as everyone copied this formula, you could make the argument that something like Horizon has DNA found in OoT).
Super Mario Brothers for icon, early games.
World of Warcraft
Minecraft
One of Miyazakis main inspirations for Soulsbornring was Ocarina Of Time. Major reason developers of action adventure rpgs always look back at, what many consider to be the greatest game of all time.
Tetris, Goldeneye, GTA III & Minecraft for me
Uncharted
Metal gear
GTA
Pokemon
I think these 4 are the mount rush more
Final Fantasy 7 showed the world that video games could tell deep meaningful stories. It introduced CGI cutscenes to gaming and launched the Play Station. MGS did none of that.
Dude no. There is so much MGS DNA in games today. Look at quality of MGS cutscenes versus anything else, story driven narrative and production. FFVII isn’t even in the top 5 of story of its franchise.
Pacman.
Super Mario Bros
Metal Gear Solid
GTA 3
Every modern game doesn't exist without these 4
Pacman pushed forward the GAME and strats of it while also introducing personality.
Super Mario Bros was what got gaming into the home as a lifestyle and created the idea of going on an adventure, puzzles being presented as action where you're not just hitting buttons you're "jumping" you're attacking, you're collecting a thing that makes you bigger, it's all visually stunning and makes sense to both 4 year olds and 80 years olds. You can give ANYONE super mario bros and they're gonna figure it out and see the challenge.
Metal Gear Solid was the game that was "holy shit this is a movie". Its what made a generation of games decide they can present themselves in the same way film /TV do. Hideo Kojima was the first director that treated it like he was making a movie. (Probably something to be said about Miyamoto treating being Super Mario 3's director like he was making a stage play that also helped make that game the first to touch on mixing games with theater.)
GTA 3 was the game that the whole world seemed to know about and was the MATURE game that took over where Mortal Kombat had left off as *the* adult, 18+ game that had to have issues of violence and sex brought to the supreme court. Hilary Clinton had to have a stance on GTA because GTA 3 and the sequels hit so hard. It was the HOLY FUCK THIS IS WHAT VIDEO GAMES ARE?! game so much harder than anything else. This was the game you showed people and their jaws dropped that it looked so real and that you could do things in video games that are JUST based on real life stuff. Most everyone's driven a car around a city. Now not only were you looking at a game where you can just do that AND all the craziest shit you could ever want to do sitting in traffic. It introduced the idea of the escape through unscripted chaos. It's all just the player having fun screwing around. On top of just being 3D
37:50 Blessing and Gregg scoffing at the idea of a Final Fantasy being in the same conversation as Metal Gear Solid when neither of them have even beaten one of the classic ps1 FF’s is so laughable
Ya’ll HAVE to hire someone’s who is into JRPG’s, it’s a genre that’s constantly underrepresented on this channel, yes Tim has some history with some of the FF’s and Barrett likes Persona but there’s nobody like Imran anymore who is knowledgeable on one of the main genre’s in gaming.
@@neoshadow5192 bro what lol
I have beaten them all and VII is a terrible story.
@@millennialnerds2106It's a great story that was so powerful it's still relatable now and has possibly the greatest cast of characters in a videogame ever which factor into the story. It was also the first game that made me tear up.
Agreed, been saying this for a while. Kinda Funny has no JRPG or Fantasy fans.
100 years. Think about it
You can technically say that the first Mario game was an indie game.
I don't understand the argument of GTA 3 over Metal Gear Solid. I think you guys are underestimating just how big MGS was and continued to be with every new release.
GTA 3 is seen as the open world sandbox, MGS is more known for stealth, story, and charcters
If it has to be one or the other, I would say that GTA 3 did something new whereas MGS combined different things which were essentially already being done separately. They'd both be on my list, however.
Founding: Space Invaders -- it's ground zero for most japanese and arcade game development, any other game in this spot like Super Mario Bros or Pac-Man wouldn't exist without it.
Expansion: Super Mario 64 -- A game so transformative and almost unrecognizable from where the series had started but it showed in real time how far video games had advanced.
Preservation: GTA 3 (or franchise) -- It bears the brunt of most "games are bad" discourse and answers it with some of the most commercial success ever seen by an entertainment product, elevating the entire medium in the process while legitimizing it
Unification: Minecraft or Fortnite - A live service multiplayer game that has successfully managed to stay alive long-term and connect people in a variety of different ways beyond normal genre tastes and interests, and EVERYONE plays them.
Listen to kinda funny just makes me feel old now.
Think I’m aging out of their content.
Nintendo Land
DOOM 3
SSX (2012)
Bram Stoker's Dracula (Sega CD)
@bless Try a grilled cheese sandwich with peanut butter, it's fucking delicious. It's the same thing as those cheese crackers with PB.
we don’t have to bring up final fantasy.
The Last of Us only had an impact on PlayStation
18 minutes in and I’m sensing a SEVERE lack of Chrono Trigger…
My picks:
Super Mario 1 or 3
Chrono Trigger
Minecraft
GoW 2018(10 years ago it would’ve been Halo 2)
arkham asylum for modern era?
Why are they wearing hoodies and jackets in August
Super mario Bros
Zelda Ocarina of Time/ GTA 3
Halo 2/Cod 4
Fortnite
honorable mentions: Pokemon red/blue, final fantasy 7, WOW
@@RednGone yeah i just picked a game from the 80s, 90/early 00s, mid to late 00's, and then one from the 2010's. I'm not even that big of a fortnite fan but their ability to get crossplay and costumes from the likes of marvel, sony and xbox show just how big and important it is.
If there was a spot for corruption I would put Fortnite there. That game has influenced gaming for the worst, every developer wants a battle pass making for lack luster rewards. Every game wants to be always online. Loved me some Fortnite but hated how its effected gaming
Super Mario Bros.
Tetris
Doom
Street Fighter II
World of Warcraft?
Personally i understand you liking mgs for story but the gameplay i dont like. I just want to go in guns blazing and the steath anoys me too much. For story id like to throw in the first bioshock. When i do my mt rushmore i just do my top 4 games but if we do it like mt rushmore id say mario world, bioshock,tetris,and halo 2.also i dont care for mario 64 the camera and controlls arnt good for me.
As long as FF7 Doesnt make it. Ill be happy
Metal gear is not NEARLY as ubiquitous as GTA. Every single one of my friends growing up has played a GTA - maybe, and this is a big maybe- one or two of anyone I know personally has played a metal gear game other than MGS5.
But that doesn’t matter, how much DNA and change did MGS bring to story telling and narrative?
They forgot call of duty 4 is the true online multplayer fps not halo 2
Xbox and Halo 2 kickstarted console FPS online action. You could even make Halo CE work online
My Mount Rushmore would be Sekiro, TLOU2, Shadow of the Colossus and Witcher 3. Shoutout to Journey and Limbo as Indie titles that were incredible experiences.
I feel like you just named your favorite games.
Super Mario Bros
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
The Last of Us
Red Dead Redemption 2
Super Mario Bros
Metal Gear Solid
Grand Theft Auto 3
Fortnite
Much simple I would make the mountain to just show games and characters that have transcended media and time. Those that will always be a property. So a mountain with a tetris piece, Mario, the MK logo, and GTA logo too or COD
For me, my Mt. Rushmore by the meaning is:
Founding- Tetris
Expansion- Super Mario World
Preservation- Wii Sports
Development- Minecraft
Pong would work better for Founding than Tetris
@jonahvandermel I thought about it and yea it's the oldest game known by more people. But Tetris was just on another level and was what really put video games on the map. I just went in a direction of video games being a fully recognized media
@@jonahvandermel yeah, Tetris was made popular on Gameboy in 1989 and SMW came out in 1990. You can't have founding and expansion that close. Good choices otherwise.
yeah, Minecraft has to be on this list. It's so important in terms of indie games, procedural generation (making development more accesible for indie developers), online communities, creativity etc.
I haven't watched the vid yet but mario and Zelda HAVE to be there, the most obvious picks ever
Not to be that guy but also to be that guy, Mt Rushmore was designed as an insult to Native Americans.
On the more light-hearted side tho, for me:
1. Super Mario - founding father of the modern home video game experience.
2. GTA San Andreas - the expansion to make video games these mega block buster products.
3. Minecraft - created a new model of making zeitgeist games.
4. Fortnite - changed how gaming is seen, used, and collaborated with and set a new standard.
The entire country exists because people from across the ocean genocided an entire continent, and then built the economy off slaves and drugs.
Everything was bad.
There’s definitely an argument for Mario and Fortnite but San Andreas wasn’t any more influential than GTA 3 (plus by the time San Andreas came out everyone was already making open world games) and Minecraft was popular but I wouldn’t call it influential. I don’t feel like it was the inspiration for many other games.
I see, so youre saying that the videogame Mt.Rushmore should be Custers Revenge, Oregon Trail, Mortal Kombat, and Civ6. So that it keeps the theme of the original
@@gilgamesh5796 Custers Revenge should be on every list.
@BasketCase-rr7tx Fair on the GTA 3, but I do feel like San Andreas went mainstream to the maximum. It was like movie level coverage. At least, that's how it felt in my school and circle.
On Minecraft, I feel like the fact that a game from a tiny team went so HUGE and that it was a chilled out game too, I mean, that's pretty influential and special. Also, I've heard many people credit Minecraft Hunger Games as one of the early BRs, too. Minecraft also helped change how we see content creators imo, so another impact on the industry.