How to Epoxy Countertops with Backsplash and no Demolition
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
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How to Epoxy Countertops with Backsplash and no Demolition:
Epoxy over backsplash in place is easier than you think. In this video we teach you step by step how to prep your existing kitchen or bathroom surfaces for epoxy with no demolition needed. Find out how to save a lot of time and money using stone coat countertop epoxy to renew your old worn our laminate and other tops in your home with our easy to follow epoxy tutorials. You Got This!
Chapter Breakdown👇
0:00 - How to Epoxy over Backsplash and Existing Laminate in your Kitchen
0:53 - How to clean laminate kitchen countertops with TSP
2:25 - Sanding laminate surfaces to prep it for epoxy
3:17 - How to apply bondo over your laminate countertop to fix cracks, seams, and uneven countertop edges
4:44 - How and why to apply a Bonding Primer to your laminate and other smooth non-porous surfaces to prep it for Epoxy
5:10 - Applying Stone Coat's Black Undercoat
5:41 - Using Spray Paint and Marble Spray to add colored effects to Countertop Surfaces with backsplash in place
7:30 - Marble Spray Effect in White to make Faux Marble Kitchen Countertops
9:06 - How much Stone Coat Epoxy do I need for my project? - Find out your square footage
9:43 - How to Epoxy existing Laminate with Backsplash attached in your Home with no demolition to save time and money
10:47 - How to mix Stone Coat Countertop Epoxy and apply over existing Kitchen surfaces
11:38 - How to know when it's helpful to warm up your Epoxy before mixing it
12:00 - How to pour out Stone Coat Epoxy and best practices on making sure it's a smooth even finish every time
13:06 - How to Epoxy over backsplash in place
13:40 - How to use a brush to help level and mix epoxy one final time on your surface and use heat to pop bubbles
15:14 - Adding Diamond Dust to clear epoxy to take it up a notch
16:05 - Epoxy project final results and overview of going over existing backsplash with our marble spray and countertop epoxy
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In this video, we're going to show you how to epoxy countertops with backsplash and no demolition. By following our step-by-step instructions, you'll be able to create a beautiful, durable countertop that looks just like real marble!
Quartz countertops are a great choice for any small or medium-sized kitchen. They're durable and easy to clean, plus they come in a variety of colors and finishes. In this video, we'll show you how to epoxy a backsplash onto your quartz countertop, so that it looks like real marble. By following our step-by-step instructions, you'll be able to create a beautiful, durable countertop that looks just like real
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The video I've been waiting for. I can't remove my backsplash, for several reasons. NOW, I can finally buy your product and transform what I've been dying to do. Thanks Mitch, tell Mike we miss him. Jayman...
How does the epoxy defy gravity & remain on the vertical backsplash? Does the backsplash need chopping? Can a spray epoxy be used on the backsplash in conjunction with your epoxy?
@@utubeiswatchingmeI see your question is a couple months old, but I’ll try and answer it. The epoxy will ooze down the backslash and you should brush it back up from time to time. I would mix a little extra and either keep a small amount in a cup and check it to see if it’s setting up. Or paint a smooth board, pour a little on it and use that as your monitoring board. As long as it’s still fluid on it then you can brush it up the backsplash. Ideally would be to catch it just as it’s starting to cure, but will still level itself out to make the brush marks blend in. You don’t need to chop the backsplash. That’s done mostly to eliminate the trowel marks and you don’t trowel the backsplash. And when torching out the bubbles, try to keep the heat away from the backsplash as best as you can. The heat will just make it flow more. As far as spray epoxy, I’m not sure exactly what you’re talking about, but I wouldn’t mix them at all, or apply one over the other when still wet. You might be able to spray first, then when cured a light 220 sand and then use the stone coat. Would probably try that on a practice piece first.
Y'all make it look so easy that this 70 year old widow is encouraged enough to try it. Thank you and God bless you 👑🙏💞✝️🐾🕯🕯🕯🕯🕯
I absolutely love this video. my kitchen is 23 years old and really needs a makeover on a very restrictive budget..I can't remove the backsplash, but this video is the answer ..I can't wait to get started..I got this..
U do Got This!!!!! Great comment, let me know if there is anything I can do to help
Have you done it? How did it go?
THANK YOU for the respirator use!!! SO many epoxy guys do NOT wear these and the damage to lungs is cumulative. As an artist who does epoxy and a doc--THANK YOU!!!
Spray paint is not good to breathe! I love my kids and wife and wanna be around as long as possible! Thanks for the shout out!
Did you miss him day their are no volatiles in the epoxy? It the spray paint that's the issue.
This video is super perfect for my situation. I'm keeping the backsplash on also and was curious on how that was done. I've had the epoxy for about 1.5-2 years now hopefully it's still good. Been wanting to do this for awhile now
Perfect timing. We are going to put in new lower cabinets and a new sink. One part of the countertop is good shape but I want to use StoneCoat to pour over all of them. I know they will have to check dimensions for the new sink to decide if that part of the countertop is usable. I think redoing the countertops in another room while they work on the cabinets is a good idea. They will do the cutting outside.
I have to compliment you on this technique. It looks incredibly realistic. I love your go to positive attitude and your creativity. Thank you for posting....ps I live in Oregon...I know about being cold!
Love it Mitch, I like your "pat on the back test technique." Looks like it turned out awesome. I'm thinking of doing my bathroom vanity like this.
That was AWSOME!!! Thanks for sharing your knowledge
I’m hoping to start a wood working shop, building some kitchen tables and cutting boards, charcuterie boards and like stuff, and can’t wait to try some of the stuff that this channel has showed me with epoxy, thank you for another entertaining and informative show, you guys are great!
Right on Richard, woodworking with epoxy is more enjoyment than work! I love it. Let me know if I can assist in any way!
exactly what video i was looking for. thanx
very pleasing presentation, I learned a lot ty kindly
Beautiful job!!!
Amazing work sir. That spray is awesome. You dont need real marble any more!!!
If I ever get around to this, I decided on the Blue ont he first blue video you did. It will be sometime next year, but this kit looks like the answer for exactly what I have been waiting for.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to drop a comment! Let me know if you have any questions before starting that project. U Got This!
Now this one seems pretty easy to do
It is really easy to do! You Got This Big Bad Jon! Let me know if you have any questions, I'd love to help you get a project started
Nailed it! Let me know if I can answer any questions 💯👍
Thanks for your videos ;love love love it!
Thanks for the great comment! Subscribe to our channel, we have some great stuff coming
This is really useful
I like how simple this one is. Too many of them are sorta over the top with color. This is simple and neutral and would let you paint the room any color.
Exactly! Thanks for the great comment! Let me know what else you'd like to see! Appreciate you
Lovely simple finish!! 👏👏
Thanks for watching Karen! Hope your projects are going well!
@@StoneCoatCountertops You're very welcome!! 🤗
really wonderful 👍
Thanks!
Beautiful 🏆
Awesome!!
Hey Mitch-I am saving this video. I just bought a house and I want to update the kitchen cabinets. Wish me luck 🥴
You are so talented and I am so inspired! I have an outdated kitchen and bar area in the basement that I must try this in. What a beautiful, sustainable solution. Should I remove the sink to do this? In my case the sink is mounted above and on top of the counter top. It's tacky! Any amazing tips or video links to address this circumstance? I love learning here!
Great Work ! Thanks for sharing
You're very welcome! Thanks for stopping by, have you used epoxy yet on a project?
@@StoneCoatCountertops I haven’t use epoxy yet .. i am planning too and your videos encourages me :)
Beautiful
Thank you
Love the video. Do you guys have one with you doing a fermica counter top? Just bought a house and want to do epoxy for the huge kitchen top and island. I was wondering about the metal strips on the back of the countertop and back splash panel. Didnt know if the epoxy could cover the metal strips.
HUGE QUESTION, how do you miter your vertical back splashes for corners ontop of the counter tops. I feel the epoxy blocks some of that. Keep up the work!
Nice tutorial SCC crew.
Glad you enjoyed it
I LOVE IF YOU CAN DO THIS ON CABINETS
You could if you removed the doors and poured the epoxy flat. Cool idea!
THANK YOUUUU SIR!!!!!!
This can save me so much money. I am so grateful for your video. Thank you so much 😊
Do you have any videos of making a quartz countertop?
Love to see y’all do a car like you do a counter top.
Heck I let y’all do it to my car.
Great work, thanks for sharing these tips!
Was wondering why you don't do more project videos with the casting epoxy or super cast?
We've got a few recorded waiting to be edited! We need more help editing videos around here!!! Thanks for watching a being a subscriber. More woodworking videos are coming soon
If you are adding a sink should you cut the hole before or after you do your epoxy?
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Thank you so much! Appreciate you! How long have you been watching Stone Coat on RUclips?
Thanks for sharing 👍 😊
This is such a great easy fix!
Thanks for watching!!!! Hope you're having a wonderful day!
Great work Mitch. How bout making a trip to Denver. We could do a 72”x24”, 96x24, 96x18Breakfast Bar, 18x24 Kitchen countertops, and resurface two cultured stone 36x18 bathroom vanities along with making wall panels for 60x32 Walk-in shower and perhaps pour the floor opposed to planned vinyl tiles all ready to go. Was considering to,replace existing laminate kitchen tops with new ones and for shower use the 24x48 large tiles having big illuminated niche
I'll be in Denver for a floor in the spring time!
@@StoneCoatCountertops any recommendations of someone in Denver where could actually see product on countertop. And to coach me on first go at it. I’m a retired GC so seems simple enough
Have you figured what to do with those with bullnose edges? The epoxy won't roll over the edge. The only thing I could think of was to router or grind off the hump
Very cool
Thanks for watching and dropping a comment, how long have you been watching Stone Coat on RUclips?
Thanks for watching!
@@mitchquist I think a few years back? Watching you guys is like watching the epoxy version of Bob Ross! And the videos are so informative and practical at the same time 😁
Would I still be able to do this same idea w dirty pour style ?
Do you have to babysit the back splash?
In your studio there is a huge slab behind you that is white with blue/tan center. I cannot find the video of that being made. Can you tell me which one?
How to prevent the little tiny mosquitoes in your absence, when your project is levelling or drying?
Can you do this with a white background and black lines on top??
What is the TSP substitute you are using?
Can you use this technique on tile? I have a 1” tile counter in my art studio. Thanks! I love your videos!!!
Yes you can! We have an over tile video coming soon.
I have a top mount sink I was hoping to leave in doing this. If so at what point would be best to remove my tape? Or is this just a bad idea and remove the sink?
Thank you! When you say "latex caulk" should be used, do you mean latex acrylic caulk? I don't see any pure latex caulk for sale.
Are epoxy counter tops susceptible to damage from heat, sunlight or UV light?
Great videos, keep up the good work.
Regards
Risteárd.
Great questions Risteard and thanks for watching! Stone Coat Epoxy was designed and formulated for the kitchen and bathroom use and abuse. Stone Coat's Art Coat Epoxy has the best UV resistance in the industry. The epoxy can withstand temperatures up to 450 degrees with no damage and our Ultimate Top Coat brings scratch resistance and durability to maximum. Here is a link to our custom countertop finishes kits, you can build your own countertop: www.stonecoatcountertops.com/epoxy-countertop-designs
Let me know if you have any further questions!
Mitch, I'd like to see a video on how to price a job.
Great idea, thanks for sharing! Coming right up!
Puedo aplicar polvo de diamante a mi ultimate 😊
yessss
Greetings, good video, but when the kitchen toe is made of granite and covers the entire wall in granite, I mean the entire space between the upper cabinets and the top. how is it done? If you could make a video. thank you
hey guys where i can buy a gutter for spill of epoxy resin
that looks beautiful! I have a question, is there more than one type of epoxy resin? I mean is there a specific one that I should use in a kitchen countertop? (considering you would be prepping food on that surface) Thank you in advance for your help and thank you for the inspiration!
Great question, not all epoxy is created equal! Stone Coat Epoxy was designed and formulated for the Kitchen and Bathroom use and abuse. Our formula is FDA approved safe for food contact and the epoxy can withstand temperatures up to 450 degrees. Let me know if you have any further questions! I'd love to help get your project started
@@StoneCoatCountertops Thank you so much for your help! I live in Chile so Stone Coat Epoxy is a little out of reach =/ could you please give me some tips like components to avoid or look for so I can buy locally the right kind...I would greatly appreciate it!
@@carolinapincheira
If we're bring honest, just so long as there's no LEAD or Mercury leeching out from the Epoxy into your flod, it should be fine.
Remember, the top coat is what's most important anyway. And most polyurethanes are not dangerous - not in that way, I mean.
Good luck! Sorry no one else answered you in well over a year
That looks great Mitch! I’m curious how you would manage an on-site pour with a two level surface. My island has a upper and lower counter and I would like to do an exotic pour. How do I keep the drips from the top once the tape dam is removed from messing up the bottom counter? A how to video would be amazing! I love all your videos (I think I’ve watched them all at least once, if not more😂)!
There's a video for that! Mike, Mitch, RK3, and ATD did a countertop in Hawaii that had 2 levels
@@maryblocker3998 do you recall on who's channel?
ruclips.net/video/3TOq3dDpi8s/видео.html
Thanks! Any idea where to buy the drip rail system? I don’t see them on the SCC or overstockepoxy websites. 🤷🏼♀️🤔
@@dkquick72 I thought they were a SCC product
How durable will this be for a family that lives and has all grandson better 7-13
So your required to disassemble the backsplash to do any cool pour. Wish i hadnt bought it.
you must have been reading my mind!
but my countertop is one piece and has a curve/rounded edge rolled up to the wall. I wish this had the wall in the demonstration. I can't picture doing this in my kitchen. then you mentioned taping off and covering things and wearing a mask. this means you're doing it while countertop is installed? can't do all of that so freely.
I am super excited to see this, nonetheless!
Great questions! Shoot me some pictures of your kitchen, I could give you some pointers! Email me: mitch@stonecoatcountertops.com
Halloween Harmony counter top design!
I love it!
What is the final topcoat? You mentioned it at the end, but have never seen you guys do it?
The Ultimate Topcoat: ruclips.net/video/HY5z-7Zh9mQ/видео.html
I have kitchen that counter & backsplash that are all one piece. My concern with trying epoxy is the countertop isn’t flat. Close but water will pool. Is that a no go for method here?
how badly is it out of level? I've fixed a corner of an L shaped countertop by pouring a small amount of epoxy on the low corner and letting it cure, sand and feather the leading edge, and rest of the patch of epoxy. Paint the area to match the rest and pour your whole countertop. You'll have an extra day of epoxy but it can fix it when you can level the countertop from below with shims.
is this finished product on this video?
I can put it on my counter top and be done with it or is there some other process you need to do to it?
Yes, you can apply the epoxy right over your old counter top and the surface is safe for food contact and heat resistant up to 450 degrees. We have an optional final topcoat you can apply with a roller that brings scratch resistance and durability to maximum - Ultimate Top Coat. That product can also be applied years later to freshen up the tops and make them look like the day you poured them. Let me know if you have any other questions. You deserve new countertops for much less than the big box store can offer!
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OK, what kind of paint is the undercoat? You didn't say if it was alkyd, latex or anything else for that matter. I'm worried that your epoxy won't bond to the wrong paint.
What do you use to clean up all your tools after you are done?
Now THATS what I WOULD like to know!
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So I messed my countertops up doing everything wrong. How can I fix it? I've sanded then primed but I didn't use the bonding primer should I apply the bonding primer before I paint. And can I use any spray paint? So many questions
email me what's going on! That'll help me help U!!! mitch@stonecoatcountertops.com
I have laminate countertops, but the backsplash and edging are tiles. Can this work over tiles or do I need to remove them?
I've tapped over the tile backsplash then remove the masking after completion of the countertop and the epoxy buts right up to the tile and looks nice and clean. Great question!
Why did they use a single layer of resin, is one layer enough?
I have marble in my bathroom that is etched in places from chemical cleaners. I’ve used several products on it to no avail. Could I do this over the real marble? Thanks.
Yes you can. If the marble is etched already the epoxy should bond well.
I am so sad....unless I really missed something, this doesn't help me...I, well, my husband, bought materials for a marble type exotic pour. He didn't know that our old countertop is in one piece with the countertop. We did buy thickener, but will that help????? We are ready to do a practice pour on a flat piece, but can not find a video to help me with the attached backsplash!!! HELP, HELP, HELP!!!
My counter has a one inch overhang on the front and is unfinished under there. What can I do to finish the underside of the overhang?
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Great question! As the epoxy drips over the front edge, I use my gloved hand to rub the drips and coat the underside of the laminate. That epoxy soaks in and waterproofs and strengthens the particle board under the laminate. Let me know if you have any other questions.
how do you keep the epoxy from dripping on the floor or cabinets when you are doing a project? I dont want to remove my counter tops
Did you watch the video. They always put plastic over the cabinets and thick construction paper on the floor and now they have those awesone gutters. Watch again and see all the precautions that are taken to keep things clean.
I use a 3 mil 3 foot wide plastic roll and tape that to the cabinets all the way up to the countertop. Use plastic on the floor as well. Tape the floor and cab plastic together to keep epoxy from getting on the floor. Here is a video showing how I prep an onsite pour: ruclips.net/video/E-k7-WmgwHE/видео.html
How do you clean or save your brush to use again?
I'll save and reuse my brush only on sample making day. I put my brush in a cup of acetone. Most of the epoxy will wash off dabbing the brush in the bottom of the acetone cup. Keep the brush in the cup until ready to use on the next sample. Get as much acetone off as you can, the acetone is compatible with the resin but acts similar to isopropyl alcohol causing cells and lacing . Thanks for watching and let me know if you have any other questions!
hi Mitch, do you by any chance offer training for people interested?
We work with Rhonda with RK3 Designs for our hands on training out in south Texas. It's a great time learning tons of epoxy finishes and learning how to fabricate countertops, showers and more. Check out the classes here: rk3designs.com/events/
I attend most Pro Classes, the class where you learn the business side of epoxy as well as all the hands on stuff.
Inches length x inches width divided by 144 = square feet.
When looking for how many feet something is you divide it by 12, because there are 12 inches in one foot. When trying to figure out square footage you divide by 144 because 12 x 12 = 144 and you need to account for how many feet the length and width are. Idk if I made it make sense but that there’s the best I can do lol
The way you work that bondo Mitch, you’d be great at plastering!!! 😉😉😉
HAHAHAHA!!!! We need to do a plaster backsplash one of these days!
Hello ! quick question hoping someone could help. I just did my countertops yesterday morning using epoxy for the first time an I don't think they turned out bad but I added glitter flakes into epoxy mixture while mixing then did the pour everything looked great but this morning I noticed that a lot of the flakes are poking through the top so before I do anything to it an mess it up I have looked for a solution an haven't had luck finding one so I follow Stone coat on fb an RK3 an figured this would be best place to ask for some help on fixing this correctly. Thank you to all that help me correct this hiccup hoping it's fixable. thanks in advance everyone
Id wait for it to dry and sand with 220 grit. Then do a clear pour or use their topcoat over the top.
Vocês oferecem algum curso online ?
Trabalhamos com Rhonda com RK3 Designs com nossas aulas de treinamento online e práticas. Saiba mais aqui: rk3designs.com/events/
The calculation formula works because- to change measurement area from inches to feet is to divide the total by a square foot. In his project 26 inches × 28 inches = 728 inches divided by the total number of square inches in a foot (12" x 12"= 144" = 1 sqft.) So 728" divided by 144" (or 1 sqft) equals 5.0555555556 and round out to 5 which is 5 square foot. I love math
Why do you bother to clean before sanding? Doesn't sandind remone the junk anyway?
I buy so much marble and stone countertops for less than $2 each most come with a $50 faucet. I’m just hoarding until the time is right
Does it have to be laminate?
No you can go over pretty much any existing surface or new wood
@@StoneCoatCountertops thank you! I have some marble that is chipped and outdated. I would use the same instructions but do the counter in place?
Yes, use a 60 grit sandpaper to etch the marble
You should call it the Quist technique.
Ayyye that's got a ring to it! Thanks for watching David! Have you been able to use Stone Coat Epoxy for a project yet?
12"/1'
(12 in / 1 ft)^2
144 sq in / 1 sq ft
For cubic, just cube the ratio instead of squaring it.
Love is apoxy
The math works like that because there are 12 inches in a foot and 12 x 12 = 144. 1 foot x 1 foot = 1 foot², which is exactly the same as 12 inches x 12 inches = 144 inches²
I'm so confused by math and how you did that problem
me too! To get square footage when measuring in inches: Length X Width Divided by 144 = square foot
@@StoneCoatCountertops thank you for answering my confusion. What is the math where you do what ever math and Xs it by 3?
A question ... I'm a 73 year old Painter Decorator, who spent the past 30 years teaching TAFE Students here in Sydney specializing with decorative finishes. Be a Yank, we often called Acrylic paints "Latex". I've done dozens of Trompe-l'œil table tops, walls and club murals using these techniques; turkey feathers, metal graining combs , floggers (Brushes) and of course airbrushes... (since the 60's). I've run workshops for Sydney Opera Company, Sydney theater group, FOX and Disney studios... Now I'm retired and I love making tables for friends and families in the USA as gifts wit a history of their and our lives together. Can you coat these Artist Acrylic Paints with your epoxy? I've use "Spar Varnish" on the tables (around 4-6 coats) sanding in between coats. Could there be a reaction between materials. Using just epoxy wouldn't work and cuts down on the images I could create... I mean it's great using the "Flow Hit or Miss" for a rookie, but I try to match exotic woods and inlays. Thanks in advance...
You can coat right over your art work. Allow the paints to fully dry before coating with clear epoxy.
Would venture to ask what 'the bottom coat' is, but according to the comments....no questions answered since inception of this video, so....nevermind
the end result is a countertop that looks like it should still get torn out cuz it's dated
What happened to the other guy that used to be on here all the time?
He retired to do more with his family😉
@@diannekelley4736 thanks for the info and the response
Mike my brother retired from Stone Coat to spend more time with his wife and kids.
I was thinking that this would look great on my counter tops but then there's the problem of my old cabinets. I need a whole new kitchen. Sigh.
I'm a fan of the channel, but it's dying without Mike. Sorry bro
Use a respirator with the proper cartridges, not a mask....big difference !!🤔
Really disappointing that you guys dont answer your customer service emails of Facebook messages… I used your product and wanted to ask about the scratch resistance, which is nowhere near what you advertise.. terrible service and misleading. :(
Please believe, complete trash. 100% regret buying this
I would call this nice but BORING.... 🥱 😫 😦 sorry, not sorry!
Thanks for your honest feedback! You wanna see more wild colors? What are you interested in?!?!
@@StoneCoatCountertops I would live to see this project with a much lighter look than the very dark top in this video but wow this is giving me Hella hope for my old countertops and me doing it.