The Problem with Genshin's Multiplayer
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- Multiplayer is so successful and popular that it really makes you wonder why miHoYo hasn't made any attempts to improve Genshin's. In this video I attempt to answer that question and discuss the issues I currently have with co-op and WindTrace.
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Intro: 0:00
Why Multiplayer is Successful: 0:38
Genshin’s Limited Co-op Mode: 1:39
The Problem With Windtrace: 2:39
Combat Based PvP: 4:25
What are Raids: 5:59
“Raid Bosses” in Genshin: 7:41
Playing with Other People: 8:49
Internet Connections: 9:36
Long Game Sessions: 10:26
Development Investment: 11:11
WindTrace is Still Well Designed: 12:36
In Conclusion: 13:16
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can you tell that none of my friends play genshin
None of my friends play genshin either😭✋
WELCOME TO THE FAMILY!
This basically happened to me day 1
same
I've 2 IRL frnds and they don't play genshin either. Bcuz they like battle royale games 💀
I would absolutly hate a pvp that actually involves combat, it would be horrible for genshin. But pvp which solely depends on skill like windtrace is perfect for genshin, while not perfect by any means windtrace is the perfect formula for genshins pvp multiplayer. Improving the already etablished pve and making them reoccur more often is also a good approach.
maybe a pvp that you need to grind points to unlock certain selected characters, weapon and artifact sets. you cant change the weapon to your own and artifact will prob has certain locked stats and substats you can level up hence removing the unfair whale and time whale to the pvp game mode. ofc your hard work of farming artifact will just be in vain but that will still be put to used in pve game mode like abyss or maybe they will add more pve content like maybe a boss rush mode? and elysian realm style (honkai impact) mode? that would make it balance
Wind trace isn’t all that in my opinion kinda boring this time. They need to add guilds with guilds events and etc
It doesnt have to pvp lol,why do people always think that in every genshin coop discussion? It can be more of team up and defeat mosters togther type of shit
@@zacharytan5916 well for me most of the other games i played was pvp so i dont really have much experience in pve except genshin so yea 😅
@@demonboy3779 That could be cool. We already have an adventurer's guild, so why not make an adventurer's team made out of different players? There will be certain events and quest that might not even require co-op like fighting a high hp boss and each have turns to take away it's health or colab team expedition that yields higher rewards.
Honestly, Genshin having anything be PvP would be a disaster given how badly it can go wrong. If you want to see how bad PvP in Gachas can be, you only have to look at Feh. Where all that matters is the newest, most broken units that making facing other players hell.
also reactions, imagine being spam frozen the whole match or a xiao jumping all over the place or a venti sucking you into oblivion. this game was 100% not made to be pvp 🤣🤣
At leats FEH has mechanics compatible with pvp genshin doesn't seems like it has, but yes FEH last update was hell to a lot of F2P and low spenders.
FeH player here. I can confirm, don't include a PvP mode in you gacha unless you like pain
PvP can be designed to be non combat
That's why I quit FEH. Months investing on my Legendary Roy and make him strong, just so I could lose over and over again against people who have the latest powercrept unit with no investment at all because they naturally come with a complete kit, 50/50 defenses that can easily be buffed to 70/70, and shit like that.
I can already imagine people being VERY toxic in multiplayer mode if PVP is available for genshin.
It’s only on Twitter and TikTok, most people most likely don’t even play the game. I have never met a toxic person in the game
@@confusedara same i wonder after listening genshin community is this/that kind of toxic but in real i havent met a single toxic person so far infact i met rather jolly ones ngl
@@sakshamsrivastav6893 Exactly bruh, I’d say that it’s the loud minority that’s toxic, and because everyone else is just chilling that toxicity is very visible, unfortunately
@@confusedara ya i also thinks thats the case
Fr Im probably one of the few ppl who leaves my world set on “anyone can join” without approval cuz I love meeting new ppl and talking to them and everyone except 1 person has been friendly and kind (that 1 person was nice at first until they didn’t rock with me shipping lumine x Ayaka cuz I don’t rlly care about that stuff n it made sense canonically)
It's quite interesting how the whales/high spenders are complaining that spiral abyss is "too easy" or the "only remotely difficult content inn the game" while on the other side of the spectrum, f2p/low spenders are complaining that it is becoming "powercrept" and that the bosses and enemies being introduced are literally just the same enemies in the open world, just with tankier hp, ridiculously higher levels and suuper slow startups (I think it's obvious which side of the argument I fall into lmao). I wonder what mihoyo will do to appeal to both sides of the spectrum, if they will at all
They won't do shit, probably
Because artifact system screwed balancing issues from hard (power levels of R1-R5 weapons and 5* constellations creating a rift between f2p/low spend/whales) to impossible
Without reworking how artifacts work abyss will continue to be shit.
it's especially funny that the ones saying the abyss is too easy are exactly the ones that don't need the primogems provided since they're so willing to spend so much in the game...... like, if whales are complaining, couldn't u have added new floors that can be beaten after 12-3 and make them give rewards other than primogems if you're so set on not giving more out? (ofc, floors 9 to 12 could've been changed eventually if the 1st one became easy/routine also for endgame low-spenders/f2p, they could still b changed up, just not... this) if u didn't wanna add more to the abyss rn for lore reasons or wtv, u could've just added a copy paste mode w a different name..... sigh.... the whole game is already about beating enemies anyway, no one would bat an eye at another AR-locked hard content that is just beating bosses w high hp.... yk, like already happens in events
@@saturnoastro-prinz654 exactly what I’m thinking. Your idea is brilliant, just include some extra floors that are much harder than floors 9-12 for whales to have fun in. Don’t make the rewards primogems so low spenders/f2p aren’t missing out. Still make sure floors 9-12 are challenging and fun. F2p are happy. Whales are mostly happy. Win win situation for all, is it not?
I feel like maybe having bosses that only exist in the Spiral Abyss might be a really cool idea. Or even just including bosses that already exist like Oceanid, but give them added mechanics. And if they were to repeat bosses, these new mechanics would change each time. That way it's not literally impossible for F2P players and it's still fun for whales who may play around once in a while.
If you're reading this comment, Maguu Kenki is still standing up
They should have an endless co-op spiral abyss (no timer) where the rewards are small amounts of mora and weapon exp. This way there is something to do with tangible rewards to work for without directly stepping on the toes of mora and exp ley lines.
like the Hyakunin Ikki but it's co-op. Also, maybe adding some "competition" from such might be interested, like the Windblume event when we can compete our score with our friends in coop
Like a few exp books or weapon ores for each set number if floors or something
There was some post in here that i really liked. He suggested that the existed domain dungeon (like you do in story quest) can be turned into a co-op quest for mora, exp, weapon gemstone, and 3 or 4 stars artifacts.
Of course there is a limit you can do each week.
I’d prefer artifact exp but yeh
Nah but it should give artifacts
they should make a co-op spiral of abyss or something similar
imagine how fun it would be to be competing with your friends trying to flex who does the most damage, while also working together and synergizing (you can do team comps that you can't currently do)
Or pvp but all equal like all of us are jean trying to throw each other off the map
@@yukiharu8059 technically if they want to make pvp there should be constelation restriction and weapon refine restriction where even if you have a character with max cons or weapon at max refinement once you enter this pvp feature will block the events.
@@chenchen6150 Like I said "all equal" we can have like the trial characters if it's really killing pvp rather than pvp gamemodes like fall guys
Yoimiya + Childe the dream
@@yukiharu8059 nope. Not only would PvP be one of the worst Gamemodes out there, it would literally break the game. Just think about a xiao main jumping in a pogo stick or a zhongli main shielding up every 10seconds.
I remember someone telling me before that they didn't want to coop because the bosses are harder. I had no idea what they meant until we got bodied by Azdaha's increased HP despite being able to easily take him separately.
Yo aster!!
I think another option would be to reuse the dungeons in the area that get no use aside from a few instances in story and create a rotating dungeon where the objective is less the dps but the puzzle solving. The elements you bring aren't just for the enemies but the dungeon puzzles themselves. There could be one per region with floors that change periodically and a reward at the end being a small amount of mora and char exp and perhaps it would also be the way to get region limited 3 stars that many early players probably burned unaware of how uncommon they were.
Thats actually a really good thought. A lot of those old dungeons essentially waste space and data because after you complete them you never go back, so giving them a new multiplayer purpose is a good idea
@@mulduls Speak for yourself. Most players need a lot of time to max lvl their character. Domains usually have higher priority than leylines.
If the rewards are the artifacts exp bottle things you can get in the pot, it works too, as it's decently cheap and a good enough reward
@@mulduls the thing is, no way Mihoyo would put out free primos, primos are their income and it keeps the game running.
Personally i think the OP suggestion is the best and most realistic one.
What are those region limited 3 stars you're talking about?
The solution if you don’t want to play with “randoms” is to create a guild system , where you could play with members of the guild and do raid with them , usually it overall goes way better than with randos
That's just as bad. They are still randos for most players.
@@GeorgeMonet Well atleast you can look for certain players, but it should be possible with other media..
That just made me imagine like a giant dungeon system that has like 10 players at once. imagine a full team of just the knights of favonius, it'd be so cool
@@WiIIowisp Pretty much SAO or Classic MMO Raid , would be fire .
I DESPISE guilds in most games, they just arent for me.. especially since most of the time its just the guild leader that controls everything.
4:35
Please no. Leaderboards only benefit the already richer/more invested players. And the fact that Genshin can be paid to win is also another sign of a failed leaderboard system.
Raids would be fine. As there are people who skip Spiral Abyss completely, people can skip raids if they don't feel like it and the raid isn't a temporary event (meaning they can do the raids whenever they feel like it).
I do feel like they should reward co-op in a different way. Increased companion experience is nice, but it could be better. Co-op only missions is one idea, and maybe reward a visiting player after they leave based on how many monsters they defeated. Increased rewards for domains and a mvp system which gives even more rewards is another idea.
Or simply making regional specialties shareable would be a decent improvement so that people wouldn't have to worry about having their leveling mats stolen
it's not like casual players get on leaderboards in normal none p2w games anyways, this feature could be a great incentive for whales to spend.
I would want to play Windtrace in player's world (Teapot). That would be a great idea to me. Customizing your own map, different props, limitations of area.
One drawback of Multiplayer is when 4 players are present, each of them literally only control 1 Character, which mean when a player is a tank he/she basically cannot do anything other than tanking, or when a Player is specialized with 2 Character for example using Xing Qiu and Chong Yun, he/she will need other teammates to cover something that he/she lacked.
Plus from what I heard bosses will have more HP when 4 players are present.
Yes, out of my friends i have the best built dps, yet i always play kokomi in coop because none of them have good healers or supports that work with my dps' built.
Yeah, I feel like Genshin co-op just encourages stacking as many dps as possible and maybe a healer. Shields don't shield other party members, so there's not much point in them. I could use Xingqiu but because he isn't a dps his normal attacks hit like a wet noodle.
Just say they?
@@CheetoChan fr so much extra work for what? doesn't even include people, they is so much easier
@@CheetoChan why does it matter
The very first event in Genshin was co-op only, lots of people complained that they wanted to be able to do it solo. Then the first several updates featured other events that while could now be done solo, were best done in co-op, yet they have since moved away from multiplayer events, and short of Windtrace, they are all mostly solo, or only solo events.
First off, the game is built around events as the focus, not permanent content, where even the daily commissions are more rewarding than the abyss (you get at least about 50% more primogems from commissions, than the abyss each month), and clearly they did want the main events to be co-op focused, or only co-op. Although due to their shift away form co-op, we can safely presume that most of their players wanted to play solo, which was shown in surveys, and their player game play data. If you want a multi-player game game, play something else, Genshin won't be that game.
Multiplayer needs to be interesting, that's why the first event sucked ass, because it was just about kill monsters and gather energy, but Im sure that if they make multiplayer events that are fun, like windtrace, more people will want to play them, also, they NEED to rework multiplayer, or else, almost nobody would play them, since the co op events that has combat are limited as hell, it's pretty boring to be locked to just 1 character for the entire domain / battle
Actually abyss give you 1200 primos (36 stars) because Abyss refresh twice in 1 month.
Daily commission gives you 1800 in a month.
So abyss (36 stars) give you 2/3 of daily commission.
@@Commievn Bud, they said 50% more. What's 50% of 1200? 600. What's 600 + 1200? You got it, 1800.
@@RuneKatashima True.
@@Commievn
First off, read what RuneKatashima wrote. Then that 1200 per month is the most the abyss can give, not everyone can, or bothers to clear it to 36 stars, so will get less than 1200 primogems from the abyss per month, at which point daily commissions will be giving them even more than an extra 50% of what the abyss did. This is why I said "you get at least about 50% more primogems from commissions, than the abyss each month."
Over in their other main game, Honkai Impact, its permanent cycling challenge content is the main content of the game, and gives the most gacha currency from game play alone aside from other things like currencies for certain shops, I believe it's even more than events, and certainly gives more than its daily activities. In Genshin events are the most rewarding repeating content, then daily commissions, followed by the abyss, and finally all the farming content,
I think Genshin is fine as it is, they clearly know what they are going for, which is more lore/story focused and more casual in nature. There is also actually more people than you might know that DON'T enjoy co-oping, and dislike having visitors randomly into their worlds. There is a huge difference between a game designed to be a Multiplayer experience than a game dedicated to tell stories like Genshin.
This. I don't like the co-op myself, because it cuts down on the number of characters you can switch in and out... which is kind of the core loop of the game.
And the enemies become huge damage sponges, too.
If you think Genshin is fine as it is, you know nothing about it. You don’t like, not care about the game. You are a toxic casual impeding it from improving. Let go.
@@evilmiyoho6742 Chill. I did not say it is perfect, and I'm a AR58 spender. I'm just saying that they did not consider doing certain stuff because they did not plan to, not because they did not know that how good it can be. Sorry if you felt anything 'toxic' about my comment and try to call me out, but I'm genuinely not.
@@evilmiyoho6742 You're the only toxic thing in this comment chain, my dude.
Genshin is so dedicated to the stories that 60% of these stories dont have voice acting, proper cutscenes/cinematics or even have lip sync; the ones that have are reusing same cheap npc's and animations non stop, definitely narrative focused game. And most of it exist just to waste your time to make you feel the game has more content than it really is which makes you skip most of the side story dialogues, 90% of dialogues don't move story further. Meanwhile coop is so bad that you cant even complete all daily quests together. This game shines only in solo open world exploration
Id love for raids. Even if it's four man just give us two characters a piece and that way it can be a pseudo eight man raid. Boss rush or a abyss with two man or 4 man options and they can have a point system so we can spend them on rewards like primos and stuff. Dunno anything at this point
With the buff cards from the dungeon event! (I forgot the name) like the extra c1
@@gggalaxygamer that extra constellation was so fun
I imagine an "Island Raid" where the exploration, puzzle-solving, and combat aspects of the game would be involved. I imagine a concept almost the sane as like an irl "Escape Room" where you work with other people to escape a room full of clues and puzzles. An Island Raid could have so many variations like solving the puzzle in an island to close a portal that summons difficult mobs that attack a certain monolith, or an island where you raid different camps for puzzle pieces to summon a huge boss fight, or even make use of a miniature Dragonspine island/dungeon room where you have to solve a puzzle/get puzzle pieces to save the island/dungeon room or else you'll die of sheer cold.
ON THE GOLDEN APPLE ARCHIPELAGO TOO SO THEY CAN BRING THAT BACK! thats an amazing idea
It would probably be cool to have a defend the monolith mode with enemy waves with 4 other people. Or more things kinda like Salmon Run in splatoon 2
@@gggalaxygamer You and I had the same thought. This is overall an excellent idea.
@@RuneKatashima 😎 pog
Would be amazing with people you know, sounds utterly horrific with random matching co op, that’s your problem there
I think there should be guilds. There could be a guild chat, teapot minigames, raids, daily login and a basic shop that resets weekly or biweekly with billets, artifact xp and transient resin. The owner could create a realm to be set as the guild (identical to regular teapots but without companions) and members could hang out there.
Those who don't really want to interact with other people can just go in, get the shop items, get the daily rewards, and out. Those who do can help other members, play minigames, talk, etc. I heard there's a leak about player-created domains (not 100% sure how it works though), so maybe that could be added there too as a minigame?
I can imagine guilds dedicated to maining one character, whale guilds, guilds focused on helping new players and random ass guilds whose members do random shit like gathering to use barbaras/childes/kokomis vs oceanid. Could be fun
In my opinion the problem with this is that mihoyo will lose the casual player base. For example, if mihoyo were to start releasing content that depends on these guilds then guilds will become more competitive which will lead to the casual player being kicked from the guild because they aren't being as active as the other members
I really don't think this kind of system suits genshin
@@ollusional5690 Honestly it's not a bad thing, for example. MapleStory has a system where you can restrict player by having a level requirement to apply, and also it could easily be solved by just adding a feature where the guild leader is able to type down the requirements before for applicants to see, for example "Hardcore players only" or "Casual players allowed". And honestly mihoyo has done a good job at making the contents easy enough to complete as a F2P anyways.
@@DevSkullMangaka Yeah that is a fair point, and you are right the content is easy enough, I feel a little stupid now because I think I was basing my theory off of games such as clash royale and clash of clans
A guild system would be nice tbh. I’ve played other games that uses some sort of guild system and I’ve had a lot of fun in them
Exactly what we need ! I mean goofing around with guild/ clan mates is always the thing that make the game memorable even years after we are not playing it anymore
If raids were a thing on Genshin with more than 4 players, elemental reactions would be ridiculously OP
Disable elemental reactions/nerf them, and disable elemental resonance. Easy.
Other issues that make me not want to do coop:
* Most shielding characters are useless and can't support others (only Diona and Zhongli and it's constellation locked)
* The HP boost mobs get is HUGE and it ruins any benefit of asking for help from others.
* You can't limit the amount of people that can join your party from the get go (which you might want to do considering my previous point)
* Some skills and supports that work in single player don't work well in coop, like all of Xingqiu's skills.
* In Honkai, if a character dies, you have some seconds to run to them and stand next to them for some seconds and they can be revived. This way if someone messes up (which tends to happen often because people don't read the Ley Line disorders) it's less punishing for everyone involved.
* Yeah people really don't read ley line disorder description, I really cannot stress this enough. Genshin should really make more visual cues or outright disable some characters that will obviously kill the entire team. Like in domains where if you use electric skills it's gonna cause aoe damage to you and your team.
(This is for your third point) If you are the host you can limit the amount of people by kicking them, also by just allowing people by choice and not auto allow.
@@Celesthea yeah I know, that's why I mentioned "from the get go", as opposed to doing it manually. Plus some people don't understand why you would want to go only with one other person instead of a full party so they refuse to enter the domain until you fill the party ):
@@Celesthea There's a lot of people anxious when it comes to co op, that a lot of times kicking can make people feel bad, especially if they're new to it.
Not everyone wants to do that to somebody, so letting people choose initially would seem like the better option.
What exactly do you cal a huge increase in hp? Because in game it's just 50% increase per each additional player. For me that is more then fine. I would even say that it is too low.
AARGH speaking of ley line disorders yesterday I just wanted to get some five star artifacts and those domains r super hard for me to beat by myself. but someone kept repeatedly bringing their level 60 bennett to the level 90 artifact domain where there are cryo enemies and melt reaction damages you. I swear this person was doing it on purpose they died immediately every time we restarted the thing!! Like I get not having a leveled up character but they were like ar 45?? im ar 49 and i have my team to 80 at least ;w;
It's clear from the start that Genshin was developed as a Single Player Game with *optional* Co-op, and the reason behind that is pretty simple: elements and elemental reactions. Whole game is based upon the right use of elements and interaction between other elements. In Co-op even now, teammates can ruin your experience or you can ruin theirs just by using wrong elements/skills at the wrong time. Someone was about to use Hu Tao burst but you used Barbara burst and now the Hu Tao dealt only half damage. Or someone wanted to freeze those annoying rifthounds but you applied electro instead. You froze an enemy but some claymore user shattered it. You can see where I'm going with this. This drawback will also seriously affect the raids or any type of multiplayer boss rush because they're both DPS and time checks. That's why all the successful multiplayer events till now completely ignored the elemental reactions and solely focused on strategy and timing. Windtrace and Theatre Mechanicus are good examples of it. You can argue that random people can co-operate with each other, they can, definitely. But the problem is not everyone feels the need to co-operate, heck there are some trolls who genuinely hamper others' progress for amusement. Genshin not having a voice chat feature also holds back the co-op mode. Typing on phones and PS is not at all easy and precise, and Genshin chat has some weird censoring feature which censors harmless chats, so you have to make too much effort just to get your point across. Now imagine this situation in a boss raid where there are multiple people you need to talk to in order to co-operate and nobody has a room to make an error but your phone froze up or your PC shut down or someone used a C6 Bennett ultimate making someone else's Eula completely unusable. It can get pretty toxic and nerve wrecking. All the other MMORPGS are designed with co-op being the central feature, Genshin however is designed to be story centric which makes single player experience it's primary objective.
Then Mihoyo should stop advertising the game as mmorpg with a lot of co-op and multiplayer. Because i'm already tired of explaining to new players, that genshin is not mmorpg, and that co-op in it kinda sucks.
@@Nirion2206 where are they advertizing its an mmo rpg?
@@SluttyHydra i myself didn't see any advertisement about mmorpg, only about co-op and multiplayer. But very widespread belief, that genshin is an mmorpg is coming from somewhere. And i'm tired of explaining to ppl, that this is not the case.
@@Nirion2206 well in paper genshin is an mmorpg, but in heart, it isnt
@@Nirion2206 first comment said "advertising it as mmorpg", second comment backtrack "didn't see any advertising it as mmorpg".
How about you have one made up conclusive mind before making an accusing comment while at the same time knowing it's a false?
About the raid mode, it actually exists in Honkai Impact. You do a random matchmaking with two other players and you have around 10 levels where you have different enemies to beat but the thing is that you can only use a character and their equipment once, and they are locked for the rest of the raid. It's quite long, but you can leave if you want and the host can do matchmaking again. I don't know is that's really working because I don't really follow Honkai's community, i just occasionally play the game, but i find this raid mode quite interesting!
Ooooh this might be something that they'll consider in the future actually! From what I know being a player of multiple MHY games, they're very open to implementing ideas that they know works from one of their games in their other games. When the double banner system came to Genshin, I was immediately drawing the similarities of it to the 2 or 4 SSR banners in Tears of Themis haha. (Not the kind that we have right now in ToT Global, but the split banner systems in 4 SSR events in the CN server xD)
As a honkai player, I don't find the raid mode that fun after doing it a lot. I believe the main reason a lot of people play raids is actually to level up their divine keys which gives buffs which is important because of how competitive honkai is. Though, the concept of locked equipment and characters is really nice it's also in a competitive mode called memorial arena and at level 70+ theres 3 bosses making you have to plan out your equipment and characters though i'm not quite sure how good this would be in genshin because raising characters takes way longer especially considering the artifact farming. I heard that they'll be implementing co-op in APHO 2 which is nice because everyone has access to all the characters there and you don't have to gacha for their gear or ranks.
it’s totally boring
@@AyakoHideko ooooo that’s pretty interesting
Well the only problem with raids in honkai is that finding 2 other people is a hell of a task, sometimes you sit here for several minutes only to get 2 low rank guys who you need to carry.
I personally prefer the solo experience that Genshin gives. I don't like the idea of co-op modes especially where you have to play with random people. I want to avoid encounters with toxic players as much as possible and it gets annoying seeing some random person trying to join my world. Windtrace is still a really fun event especially with its short time frame for each match. I think raids are a nice idea but would need a lot of work put into it. This game is definitely not made to be pvp with its main combat system.
As someone who co-ops a lot (because end game really doesn't offer up much other than that one chest you forgot)
I haven't met a toxic player yet, they exist but its a very small minority out of the million or so people that play the game.
Although co-op is not very fun after playing it for 2 months after you are done with the monthly event or play co-op with the events it gets very boring.
@@Celesthea I think for now it is relatively okay but imagine if there are more competitive formats in Genshin. I've seen people complain about sore losers in Windtrace dropping from the game and wasting everybody's time since all the players get nothing.
if your annoyed by the random people trying to join your game (same, honestly), then i think theres a way to turn of requests in the co-op menu, so no one can request to join
honestly i thought a big multiplayer mode is coming with how newer characters' skills work, like sara, gorou, kokomi, etc.
after Shenhe & Yun Jin, I felt this
Raids might need some changes, one example is letting 8 to 10 players perhaps and have them scattered across the Raid maps where they fight off monsters and trying to regroup, the 8 player is to make it less dependant on team composition a little bit, but there's still many stuff that needs to be think of more in depth.
They tried this in honkai already and that turned out into a logistical nightmare for them. So much so to the point they scrapped it entirely from honkai. It's just a lot of you don't really know how much of an actual hassle it is to try and maintain a server where 4+ people with potentially varied internet quality can play together while also making sure everyone on the server also has a good experience. You just end up with far more people having terrible experiences due to the aforementioned logistics than people having good experiences that way.
All I want is more interaction in co-op, and more (maybe permanent, with weekly rewards) game modes like Windtrace, that are just plain fun to play together but not hardcore.
I don't think they could miss the mark with these features, and it would satisfy people who crave for more content you can do with others.
This is by far one of the reasons why I find it so hard to recommend this game to people in my friend groups. I remember I was helping one of my friends with a puzzle in Liyue (one where you needed to use geo structures to platform). I was fully prepared to place down platforms to help them progress to the quest without them needing to swap characters, but that's when I realized that co-op blocks all quests lol, even side/world quests. I understand this is a gacha/mobile game but when other games like Destiny, Borderlands, and even Dragalia Lost are able to have seamless PvE co-op, it still bums me out that this game is so restrictive with it. Also being server/region locked doesn't help things either but that's another thing-
Not all quests. The quest you mentioned, Trails of Tianqiu is co-op locked tho. Yaksha's Wish is also one that's co-op locked (going to a place infested with ruin guards).
But most world quests are available to do in co-op. IIRC none of the Inazuma ones are co-op locked besides the final fight of the Sakura Cleansing Ritual.
Is it actually? Huh, my mistake. Still tho I wish there were more reasons to play co-op in this game in general.
There are other unnecessary things like chests being unavailable for other players. I don’t see why it’s not possible to let them benefit from these. And for oculus things, if they collect one , it could be removed from their world because they obtained it already in another. The oculus isn’t that important but… it would be nice. The chests thing though really bothers me. There’s no reason for players to benefit from them :/
to not benefit from them. :/ *
@@RadiumRemix The chest thing is so that others can't steal from your world like they would other resources
I would also love raids, but because you can only have 4 characters, someone would be forced to be Bennett throughout the whole thing as you can't just NOT have a character like Bennett in your raid team when he provides a huge dps increase to everyone and very consistent healing. I wish each person could have their own 4 man team but 16 characters worth of abilities on screen would melt a lot of people's phones as a majority of the playerbase are mobile players.
If you're a Destiny player, it's like not having someone use Well of Radiance during a boss encounter. You CAN beat bosses without a Well, but why wouldn't you run it in the first place.
Difference is that in Destiny the guy running well has his own weapons and can do very comparable DPS because most of the raid team's damage comes from guns. It would be more similar to the one guy forced to run Divinity on Taniks. Though, i hope we never run into the problem of a limited 5* character being almost required for a boss.
I agree. This game has so much potential to have dungeons or raids.
@@Nick-lc8if You're right, it's even worse in Genshin because you're locked to just your abilities whereas in Destiny even if you're a well-bot you can still shoot stuff and do big numbers yourself, unless it's a boss that Divinity is very good against like the Consecrated Mind in GoS or Taniks, in which case if the Well-user also has to use Divinity, they're basically like Bennett in the sense that they're just a stat-stick to everyone which isn't fun at all imo.
making a boss that for a example targets pyro characters and does a hard to dodge low dmg electro attack would make him harder to use, or if it targeted auras then bennett could be actively griefing other players
if the enemy has a big hitbox and moves enough it might just cover bennetts ult
why use him then when sara lacks healing but just doesn't have that problem?
or maybe Yun JIn?
a mode like that would also encourage characters like QiQi and Kokomi so that would make his healing worthless, making him only a dmg bonus that forces you to stay still and can be covered if the enemy is big like azhdaha, or a clutch healing (that would be less useful if food is allowed)
in those cases many characters that are obscured by Bennett now would just be better picks
@@Raiden-pi3gt lmao true I'm always well bitch. Still manage to put dps 🥱
One of the ideas I’ve had for a while to improve Genshin’s social engagement is a Mario Maker-style dungeon designer. If players can make their own dungeons, they can make it as easy or as hard as they’d like; a short speedrun or an elaborate puzzle etc. There will always be levels to satisfy the most casual of players or the most humongous of whales. I have no clue how difficult this would be to implement (especially if player-designed puzzles are considered) but this surely would provide a significant level of replayability
Something to the tune of coop spiral abyss would be nice, especially if it can be without the time trial type of combat. Just fight waves of enemies with people.
Infinite fighting with qiqi(or healers?) Only team
Here's my idea
-A main HP bar for the entire server
-each defeat depleats a bit of the main HP
-each defeat gives you materials (character ascension, talents and weapon stuffs) or Raid Only Artifacts
-3 difficulties ( Easy, Normal, Hard)
-everybody gets like 500 primogems for defeating the boss 300 if not defeated
-and it can be done when spiral abyss resets
they will abuse spiral abyss
And mihoyo will lose alot of money cuz whats the point of spending money when u can get alot of primo in short period of time
@@akabingchilling6284 that’s 2-3 pulls lol idc how much it would be personally I just want more co op things to do that’s rewarding like guilds and guilds events we need to press mihoyo
Just change it to like 1 or 2 fates done it doesnt look as much
The HP thing for the whole server can easily get depleted fast just by sheer numbers.
FGO have similiar system for their raids, and you can easily miss out since a raid boss can be defeated in a few hours or less, so busy players can miss out on farming it. FGO do have the raid boss available as a story battle for plot reasons, but only once before continuing.
So depending on the numbers, having shared HP would only means whales/spenders and players who happen to be online when the raid goes live get to benefit. Players who came in later (RL or timezone reasons) would miss out.
@@demonboy3779 it just my opinion.
I think have windtrace in you own teapot would be a ton of fun. I just want something small in the game you can do after you have done everything for a day. A multiplayer feature like a leaderboard or windtrace would be awesome.
And for the pay to win delema they could do leaderboard challenges separate from each other. For example have only use 3 star items and weapons leaderboard. Or only use one character leaderboard
Just make Labyrinth warriors coop. I dont see why Mihoyo wouldn't try to do that at least as a temporary event at first, to see how the players react to it. They can add it into the game as a permanant game mode if it was received well. Replayability-wise, they can try randomize the rooms connecting to each other for a more varied experience each time you play it. Call it copium, but I think there's hope.
The people of Mihoyo are working on customisable domains that the players could create and join for co-op. I don't believe that it would fix all the problem, but it's a step in the right direction.
Although those domaines are more like a running course with no monsters, and probably no rewards.
@@orange._.persik4006 and probably time-event limited
90% of these will be troll domains that you can't possibly beat in 2 lifetimes. Way better if they make them procedurally generated. Less variety but more consistency
8:53 absolutely #1 reason I don't like multiplayer modes. Quite often what counts as "my best" is nowhere near good enough for some toxic players and it really destroys my morale
Of all the events I genuinely having fun was, the Unreconciled Stars event. (Mona Fischl event) Me and my friends being underlevel were having such a enjoyable grind for the event back then. As well as being one of the few events that actually adds more layer to the world building. Another notable one is Labyrinth Warriors.
I always recommended Raid domains in the survey, complete it will handsomely reward us a handful of talents/weapon materials as well as chances to get billets. But only available twice per week. The Raid domains could work like Windblume domain where we go through a series of challenges. And finally the big boss waiting at the end of it. They already introduce us Osial wife, what looks to be a worthy Raid content in the future.
Let's not forget, the devs probably have to think about how it would work with mobile players too so let's hope something similar would be implemented in the future.
What did you think about the peculiar wonderland co op event during windblume? I noticed it wasn’t brought up in the video, and personally, I enjoyed it more than windtrace
Yeah I liked that more than wind trace too!
That’s because, from the very start, age shin has been oriented as a single-player experience. Multiplayer is simply a secondary addition.
Although one wonders if that priority should change
What I really wished is that we can do story quests together. I know some games that you can do so and I was so envious of people who can play online (since the game is on Xbox and I don't have Xbox live gold, let alone friends who play the game). Now I have a game that my friends play yet I can't play with them in the story, it's so disappointing
Raids are the first thing that comes to mind when I want multiplayer for Genshin. With element reactions, puzzles that are in the game already, and multiple Bosses and mobs. This game in a way to me can be very close to "Destiny's Raids" That will be cool!
I'm still thankful for the multiplayer options it DOES have. I've got a good friend group and it's fun to hype eachother up when new things arrive or just kick back and help eachother use resin and fuck around. We only wish in the discord stream and we keep track of our pity together so it's like a journey we're all on to see what happens next. We're always anticipating something big. Every update, every developers discussion, feels like Christmas morning. A rush of excitement & something to talk about, but, Honestly though, if this game continues like this until it finally reaches it's finale, i'm sure we'll all have a good laugh in the end and appreciate the journey for what it was, or maybe we'll all be left wondering, just how far we could have really gotten in life if we hadn't spent so much time playing this game.
This is so wholesome omg
In regards to pvp they could just equalize everyone's gear sets to a certain cap. Mix and match sets all you want but each piece has a set stat roll that you can select between.
Or maybe preset unlockable artifact sets so there's no rng involved and everyone would be more or less even, left to rely on skill
that’s a good idea but i feel like there are problems, does it correlate to the base game? for example constellations? or personal artefacts? if they aren’t taken into account, then what is all the time taken to grind at the end game for? if they are taken into account, there won’t be good balancing, plus some people really doesn’t like to be on equal footing (not targeting any groups)
The mechanics of the game still feel uncompatible with pvp and people would get mad because they cant use some of their gear, I stand on the side that pvp is one of the worst options
PVP in genshin will either be very limiting or straight pay to win.
i think we can all agree improving coop by adding new coop gameplay or events, is much much better than adding PVP.
@@someoneinasia that's a better idea. Maybe stuff like a minigame for dodging, and everyone is forced to use the same character or something. Stuff that has nothing to do with damage
At the very least though, I think they should improve the general UI of the co-op functions, particularly with domains. Apart from selecting your units, those are just too many steps to go through.
yeah and when u want to leave the domain, u have press leave twice...
with raids i feel like healing would become more meta, since it's more about survivability over a longer period than just what big pp number you can get in one go
they really should make dvalin coopable
personally i think having more overworld customization would make every player’s world more unique instead of it all being the same but with different things unlocked. like if you could plant or take down trees in your world, but you could only plant trees in their respective areas. or maybe if each playable character had different spawn locations in the overworld and your could interact with them. i also think that there should be a sort of merchant system, where you could trade items such as artifacts, specialties, or materials and also trade items with other players.
How about just being able to do more stuff with other players in coop? Just a simple idea everyone wants to see and be in the game.
More stuff like?
@@aperson6562 right now, if you find a chest in someone elses world, or unlock a teleport waypoint, it doesnt carry over to your own world. and that sucks. you cant even unlock statues of the seven while in coop, it forces you to go singleplayer. if exploration and quests were fully coop, the game would be beautiful
@@Hlebuw3k The whole point of co op is that you are joining someone’s world to help them, if you need help, you ask them to join your world. And about the quests, some things just wouldn’t work. Imagine the crux clash quest, or the Inazuma quest when we are walking out of tenshukaku. And they can’t make teleport waypoints carry over, if you join a world which has unlocked Inazuma but you haven’t done the quest but you unlock a teleport waypoint in their world, that means you skipped basically the whole prologue because you don’t need to do it anymore.
@@aperson6562 i dont get your logic. all your examples can be done in coop very simple. if a teleport waypoint is already unlocked, the coop person who has it locked behind a quest cant unlock it in their world, but if its not behind a quest, they can just get to it and unlock it for their own world. for any cinematic quests, just show the same thing for all coop members, and hide their characters until its playable again. if the battles are supposed to be for 1 player only, then sure, those might be better off without coop support. but why not progress the quest for all coop members to that point too? i dont wanna do world quests in my friends world, just so i have to do them all over again in my world. thats just ridicilous. and nobody wants to go chest hunting in someone elses world because of this too
@@aperson6562 bro doing campaign with story is in almost all online games that have story lol. The co op is trash I won’t even recommend this to play with them.
One of the main reasons I don't like co-op is that we have to nerf ourselves to play with others
Not All characters are like Noelle that can do everything we need by herself. Most of them need help from others to achieve their full potential
Noelle can't make energy so she isn't full potential
but it is very character dependence since depending on the charterer they can be stronger on co-op
i use noelle a lot, and find that bringing her into the signora/azhdaha fight is hell if no one on the team is running an energy recharge character, much less a geo chara.
I would love a solo or coop survival mode with endless rounds of ennemies and bosses, each one getting harder. Throw in a leaderboard and maybe some rewards based on your highest level every 15 days like for the abyss and you have something fun to play and that encourages building better teams/characters.
Trouble is, multiplayer games have a particular audience, and that audience for the most part just _isn't the target audience of Genshin._ The vast majority of Genshin players only do co-op for domains and certain events. Ever wonder why Genshin doesn't do a lot of multiplayer events? It's because most players _don't like them._
I enjoy Genshin and would prefer more co-op options to play with friends.
You do know 80% of CN Genshin players came her from League, right. Hence why so many popular comps have names directly borrowed (like Morgana). You're purely projecting your unwillingness to play pvp on everyone else who just wants to do something other than farm crystalflies.
@@kagakai7729 Morgana has like 1000 years of cultural history in one of the most famous epic cycle in the world. What make you thing that came from LoL speciphically?
@@noukan42 The players that developed it literally said they took inspiration from League, since the character of the same name in LoL is infamous for being able to stun-lock while the comp is exceptional at immobilizing enemies.
...duh?
@@kagakai7729 the explaination i always heard was that it was a portmanteau of the character names
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well thought out with good points made all around! I do hope that one day we can do raids, but as you said, the problems to overcome are pretty big ones.
The most fun i had with my friends in genshin was when we played that event with the score thing, i forgot the name, where you fight enemies with variable difficulty based on what you choose. It was so rewarding to finish that thing after so many runs, kinda miss those days
Doing the Fire Domain with enemies lvl 90 in co-op...Your teammates Lv: 60 Kaeya. Lv: 60 Diona Lv: 70 Hu Tao. Man doing co-op really sucks. I'll do it myself.
I mostly agree with what you said. The multiplayer in genshin currently seems like a tacked on afterthought. It could be a coop only game and still be designed way better. The way progression works/saves there is very little for you to do. You don't feel like a full fledged player when you are in someone elses world. Most of what you can do is just grind some domain and then leave. Wintrace was a refreshing mechanical change for a limited event, but doesn't really have the design quality chops or depth to be a stand alone, always available prop hunt mode. But it is at least a smart genre choice at avoiding direct combat or lag issues with timing.
In free games, particularly gacha games. I feel like they lean on combat PvP as a lazy and cheap way to avoid building new content and progression. Instead of taking the time and talent to create an engaging and rewarding endgame loop for single play/coop. Just make your players fight each other eternally. Between them, the players and their skill form the content and progression for each other. While thats an okay approach for a relatively balanced, paid for game like a Street fighter or whatever, in free games it often cynically acts as an advertisement for the latest character or items powercreep. Some casual/free player comes up against the latest character, whaled out to the max and loses with an almost mathematical certainty. It directly demonstrates to that player the power of the wallet. And maybe it gets some small percentage of people in that situation to open theirs. Mission accomplished. So in that sense I don't want PvP in genshin. And to be honest, people don't like to hear this, but genshin has a weirdly toxic community for a coop only game. Usually the more PvP focused games get a boost to that due to the nature of the game. But almost all single/coop games I have played had some of the most wholesome communities ever. With genshin already being an outlier, I fear the PvP salt would take it to a whole other level.
At this point in genshins life though, the bigger problem to me is a lack of any kind of endgame, single or multiplayer. I wouldn't want to see raids like you suggest if they are multiplayer only. I would much rather see that work put into a new repeatable rewarding endgame mode that can also be played coop. Something like a raid, but more scalable, not NEEDING to be multiplayer. I know multiplayer is the topic but just to try to kill both with one stone. Just some kind of semi randomized dungeon with some puzzles, combat rooms and a boss fight. Hidden chests along the way and a big one at the end. The rare drops exclusive to this mode could be meta account stuff that endgame players will care about but new players don't see the value in yet, like new blueprints for the different artifact set strongboxes, or blueprints for stat rerolls on artifacts. Small resin cap/rate increase items. Condensed resin cap increases. Artifact storage increases. More team preset slots, maybe even a skin here and there to chase from any new batches they make etc. as well as some standard stuff like mora, primos etc. I don't necessarily think a higher degree of difficulty like the coordination and execution of a raid as they exist in other games, or the multiplayer only restriction, would even fit comfortably on the game already built in terms of mechanics, and the community it has fostered at this point and what it comes to expect from the game.
It sucks for the same reason multiplayer in dark souls sucks, it just feels like a tacked on feature to a game that is strong on its own feet without the multiplayer and nothing is really enhanced by the multiplayer that exists.
Given how the grand majority of my co-op experiences have been so awful that I now avoid it to every extreme, I would be incredibly upset if the game forced me to play with people :/
Also a raid mmo-like pve feature would be great. Exploring the level, killing mobs, and boss with multiple weaknesses and big health can be fun.
Honestly when my friend told me the game had single player and multiplayer, I had the first impression that Genshin had both a MMO as well as a single player mode. Like you could be in Teyvat by yourself or just pick one character and have the chance to still do certain/exclusive multiplayer stuff while also having the ability to have PvE with random people on the fly. Like maybe not several hundred/thousand people in one server but like several dozens so a lot of people are like spread out where you can still do your own thing while also having a chance to pass by other players.
Just wanted to say you’re my new favorite genshin content creator. Also, raids would be amazing! They could make it make sense by having 4 players be able to pick 2 characters each, but each character must be different. OR each player picks 1 element. Having raids where you must create certain elemental reactions in different parts of a bossfight… players work together to create the reaction needed, erc etc… that would be great tbh.
As a Ganyu haver I don't solo cecilia garden anymore because I know how incredibly hellish it can be to new / casual players. I wish I can specifically choose to match with those who really needs to be carried.
I think, raids are a better addition than people give credit
1-It gives you a rewarding reason to Co op
2-It gives whales a decent challenge (trying to Solo a Raid)
The thing that makes raids discouraging is usually the fact of a being 10+ people experience, but it could be reduced to 4 players, and each one having a full party.
6:21 I talked to some of my friends, and it would be so cool to play it, 4 guys fighting their way in the dungeon, reaching to the boss and rewards us with random artifacts sets, weapon forging material, talent books or ascension materials. Imagine the chaos and how fun it would be.
i think a spiral abyss-like dungeon mode would be so cool. imagine like a group people running and completing a massive dungeon floor and with every floor that passes it slowly gets harder and harder. would be so much fun
Aside from having a coop Abyss I think they already put in the basic system for a Raid like system. Beef up Labyrinth Warriors and make it coop and then you have a good base for "Raids"
The idea of raids terrifies me... i would prefer more party games like windtrace but executed more like call of duty prop hunt. More people, more prop options, bigger area.
i can see that. with the game’s current multiplayer interactions having to do anything that requires communication or precise placement for puzzles and such would be an absolute nightmare
Keep up the great work man,I love every single one of your videos
appreciate your well-reasoned takes on the subject. on first thought, raids and pvp game modes seem like a no-brainer to me. but as you point out it opens a big can of worms with elements of the game being pay-to-win and introducing the potential for toxicity in the player base negatively impacting the overall experience of the game. i think the game being focused on single-player pve with light co-op is the best way it can ensure everyone has a positive experience playing it. it will be interesting to see what the future holds for the game.
It is too late to add this to Genshin, but I really feel the lack of means to express yourself in many games ever since I played FFXIV. Animated emotes go such a long way towards promoting interaction between players, to the point where some of my best memories in that game are just walking around and emoting while talking to friends.
they should allow multiple ppl to play the same character in genshin, I really don't know why it's restricted since it creates no issue in the overworld, plus not lock you out of certain actions if a person is in your world. But coop already has an un-obtrusive niche, which is a social hot spot for ppl that like to talk to new ppl or make new friends a lot. My friend has lots of stories of just funny convos with random ppl they've met in coop, or how they walked around to pretty places for 30 min with a stranger. Coop is fun for social ppl and not needed for not social ppl. If anything they should focus on the casual Mario-party like games more, windtrace is a good example, since coop is only played for fun and never for efficiency
YES RAIDS!! I’ve been talking about the possibility to the other people since this is what Genshin lacks atm. Gives incentive to building characters well and experimenting with different ones depending on the situation (I used to main a tank Yan Fei for a friend group). They’ll have to experiment with how to implement it, just like how FGO did theirs during Solomon and the Rashomon/Onigashima events.
Perfect video, well done!
I would love to have more to do with my friends in the game... But unfortunately Genshin rarely even throws us a bone :( It's fun to check out new bosses/domains together and grinding with someone makes it easier and faster too but we don't even get enough resin to do it a lot...
I've been wanting more multiplayer options from the beginning and wintrace was a great example of it. I wish they would keep this event permanently (with some slight fixed here and there). It would be a great addition to the game. The only thing you can really do is farm or do puzzles which get boring. Unlike other games where you can do things together and it builds a sense of community
“Sense of community”.is the reason they should really add guilds,guild event and etc. I’m getting tired of logging on everyday just to do dailies. I think a lot of people like short events to get rewards real fast putting me in the minority where I just want more lasting content and activities to work towards.
for me i just want co-op to have more diversity, like being able to play the story and every quest in co-op, because for me the story is the most fun part of the game
word, just let us quest with friends
What I want, is just some form of plaza or world where players can come freely, hang out, chat with each other while we are waiting for the resin to fill up or just get bored. Requesting join into random people world just feel awkward. Not to mention where to start the conversation. Some type of plaza fills with trolls people just chating arround or some whale flexing their weapons it can bring the community more intact,and good comunity usually mean longer age for the game itself
YES YES YES YES YES
What do you think about dungeon crawler mode? (available for single and multi)
Here are some of my concepts I have in mind:
- You start as a character that you own, they are upgradeable via dungeon crawler currencies only. Ofc at the lowest level they have a reasonable amount of stats that would make them still viable to play.
- Unique character building system for both artifacts and talents. Maybe for talents, the players receive some points to upgrade the talents after clearing a room? And for artifacts it's entirely new, maybe with dungeon crawler exclusive ones but including the existing ones wouldn't hurt, right? They work like this, you can get artifacts from room clears with the corresponding artifact reward, they come in multiple rarities but even the lowest one is still viable. You can use dozens of artifact combos (ex: shimenawa, blizzard, berserker) but with limited slots. Maybe the artifacts here aren't like the usual flower, goblet, and all other stuff like that but redesigned as if it's a single item, one artifact gives the usual 2 piece and 2 of the same gives the usual 4 piece. You can choose artifacts to combine so it only takes one slot, the 2 pieces from 2 different artifact sets may give unique additional effects (ex: shimenawa blizzard gives +atk%, +cryo dmg, + additional effect).
- Weapons come in multiple rarities, you may upgrade them by using a forging system (?) but it's quite simple (ex : dragon's bane+1, improved stats and effect)
- Mobs and bosses, the usual ones may have mob rooms, minibosses, and bosses. minboss and bosses are unique to this gamemode.
- There will be a coin currency exclusive during the run, shops are available too
- NPCs! They may give buffs, artifacts, and other stuff.
I've considered some cons to this gamemode too :
- Characters having different weapons, using a set form of template should do the trick (ex : a lumine only run must be filled with sword giving rooms, other weapons are impossible to appear)
- Multiplayer with characters having different weapons, maybe they could use the same trick as above but the first 4 weapon rooms must have the corresponding weapons but in a random order (diluc, ganyu, zhongli, yae run's room weapon order should be claymore-bow-polearm-catalyst in a randomized order)
- Assets and file size, this even sounds like a different game lmao
- Reactions, might be fixed with some artifacts that grants elemental applications OR making some npcs a playable character that gives buffs (ex: xinqiu but npc, gives his ult but not 100% uptime)
-Connection problems, same as video
- Toxic players not cooperating
- Mobility, might be hard for mobile players (yes, me too)
- support characters availabilities, might be fixed using the corresponding artifacts for more damage but that that gives us another issue that is...
-RNG
Inspired by chillyroom games and hades (in a way)
Feel free to give ideas, fixes, or changes, I'd like hear about your thoughts on this matter.
very good job! I love this!
Thank you, been looking for someone to talk about this
I think that there’s a way PVP could be implemented, with reduced drawbacks and fun gameplay.
It would work if you could set parameters for each match, much like “No items” Smash or Uno House Rules.
This gives everyone the chance to have fun. Whales and big damage people can put no restrictions at all, while casual friend groups can just have a good time together.
Artifacts:
Offer a few premade artifact sets for everyone to choose from based on who they wanna play, or give no one ANY artifacts, make your own default sets, or put no restrictions at all.
Weapons:
Give everyone a new, substat-less weapon set. The Basic Polearm, the Basic Sword, etc. Seems pretty easy to implement. Maybe have only 4 star weapons allowed, or a specific selection. Maybe choose no restrictions at all.
Characters:
For characters, maybe you can get access to any character as long as ONE of you has them. Not only does it even the playing field, it essentially works as an infinite advert for Hoyoverse. Have 2-4 Hu Taos beat the shit out of each other. Either way, without souped up artifacts and weapons, it’ll be much more reasonable.
Misc:
Maybe give everyone the same HP level, whether that’s 12,000 or 1. Have it be open world with waypoints off, or a small map like in Windtrace. Have limited food, have no food, have leyline disorders or time limits.
The options are endless, because almost all of the essential stuff is pretty simple to implement I would think.
i think a raid type event would be super fun, for me personally i enjoy playing genshin with friends (often way more than single player) and i love grinding the bosses/domains at the end of events like the dragonspine cryo flower or that one a while back with the perpetual mechanical array in it. the only thing that makes me wary is the need for coordination of attacks because the only way i can think of to do that seamlessly is via voice comms, and i can just imagine voice comms with random teammates in genshin being akin to the 7th layer of hell
there are plenty of fun game modes that can be like windtrace, not just hide and seek. Genshin kart, Genshin smash, Genshin party…or pretty much a lot of Nintendo games.
Lol yes
instead of PvP im deffo agreeing with the "Coop PvE" type people have said. a multiplayer Hyakkunin Ikki or something similar to dungeon gameplay would be a great addition and option for end game content other than spiral abyss :) im just wondering when mihoyo will make that happen permanently, not as an event.
Another thing would be the fact that not being able to use all 4 characters of your party can mess up whatever you're trying to do, I'm talking about specific team synergies cause I love doing that with my team and that's why I never play co-op in domains, its more of a hinderance than anything, having to rely on people to provide elements for your reactions or anything like that.
coop for story quests and character/archon story quest being replayable, that and allowing every player two characters no matter how many players, and raids. That would be all very epic.
I really don't want PVP in Genshin. It would feel like an afterthought, because it is
REDflaim have you heard of the the china law againts amount of time played i think mihoyo wount adding any mutilplayer any time so as for CN sever is already get it backlash for china rules
One idea that comes to mind when talking about raids is the raid system that fgo has.
It basically consists on different bossfights, with for example 400k hp each. The boss in the raid actually has a infinitely high hp bar, about 4 billion hp for example, and every bit of damage you deal on the small boss counts toward the greater hp pool. Granted this is not the multiplayer experience but it would be pretty cool to see this system in genshin.
Imagine a raid like this on osial when he dropped, or the new archon quest. Would be pretty cool
My suggestion is an event which needs 2 player coop where players do the quests together and also the more you spend your time with a certain person gives both of them rewards(doesnt neccesarilly need to be primogems)
And lastly voice chat that can be turned on or off whenever wanted
Im really hoping for a raid boss. Drops aside, it could be just fun to get your friends and defeat some giant monster together. This would make healers more useful and it'd fill the gap for end-game content. As for not everyone having friends/not willing to play with randoms many games allow you to beat raid bosses solo. It'd be a much greater challenge but it would be possible. And for the poor Wi-Fi connection. It may be a good idea to restrict raids to PS and PC, just like pre-installation of Genshin on PS.
Damn, Never been this early! Love the content.
Now hopefully mihoyo listens, even if unlikely.
For coop Genshin could make separate account types like for example there could be a Casual Coop Friendly Mode, a coop neutral Mediocre Mode and an singe player only Hard mode. Along side this it could give an opportunity for players to challenge themselves more could make the game more fun for people who like hanging with friends and playing casual like. It could also be great for are interested in Achievements and Challenge. If they have not already done so they could make an achievement system of some kind if they have not already done so. For Hard mode it could be interesting if you could not pay to win.
(I'm kinda new to Genshin but this is just my suggestion/opinion!)
I was able to convince a number of my friends to play a few months after I picked the game up (first Klee banner) and they really enjoyed it and are now almost as deep in it as I am, we play daily and I personally have only missed ONE single day of playing since I started. I was busy one Saturday.
Our Co-op looks like joining each other's world to farm crystals sometimes and helping with a boss sometimes and helping explore when a new area comes out and doing events. That's.... kinda it. But we have a lot of fun! Parallel play is important. Sometimes just playing the game solo in a VC is enough :).
I appreciate the time you took to dive into this issue, but I utterly refute the notion that the pursuit of meaningful, persistent endgame multiplayer wouldn't be worthwhile for the longevity of Genshin and its community. They shouldn't just "not try" because "what we have is fine." There are plenty of great suggestions here in the comments, but it really doesn't have to be anything more complicated than "structured co-op PvE" with an inoffensive but meaningful rewards structure. Imagine if you could earn optional cosmetic items this way, like namecards, teapot items, pets (remember pets?), character skins, or even something like Stella Fortuna at the high-end? People would LINE UP for co-op with rewards like that!
I only even bothered to give the game a try in the first place because of how aggressively it was marketed as a MULTIPLAYER game, and I know I'm not the only one. Can you honestly tell me you wouldn't enjoy finding synergies building teams together with your friends' characters when playing around the whole separate meta that would emerge from multiple characters staying on-field? I would really hate to see MHY completely squander their functional but not-yet-meaningfully-implemented multiplayer, if only because they already put in the work to get the feature working for those that enjoy it. Why not offer an incentive to those players to make the game have more lasting appeal and replayability, like you stated at the video's outset? They make SO MUCH MONEY as it is, they can absolutely afford to invest in multiplayer and we really, REALLY shouldn't be giving them a pass just because it wouldn't be easy to get right.
I absolutely agree with you. A lot of the 'downsides' in this video could be summed up as 'it would require effort'... and yes, Mihoyo should be putting in effort to make their game better! You could use those arguments as to why any subpar feature of the game should stay subpar forever.
I'm always hoping for improvements in fishing. I generally like to fish but it's sadly really lackluster not to mention that it doesn't really give any rewards apart from the The Catch.
Windtrace is great and while many would quickly lose interest if it was a permanent game mode, it should definitely come around more often.
It would be nice to have something where co-op isn't worse than solo but also not necessary. Having something to play with your friends is good, but no friend of mine plays Genshin so I would need to be able to clear it solo. Serious co-op with randos sucks which is why I don't even play MonHun in co-op.
I had an idea of a round based survival spiral abyss style thing where 2 players are in seperate arenas next to eachother and after each round players get to spend currency built up on spawning extra enemies or debuffs for the other player. The winner would be whoever fails to beat a round within a time limit or something.
It would be fun because it would have the challenging aspect of spiral abyss while also adding the unpredictability of an opposing player. The only problem i see with it is that a game of it would probably take pretty long if both players are good. It could be decently balanced aswell since certain characters could be countered with specific enemies and debuffs.
Maybe an interesting co-op thing would be an domain or sth. with puzzle mechanics which can only be solved with several players. And or it‘s more like a labyrinth so finding the right way is easier if players split up. Maybe there could be 4 items they have to find and each player can only pick up one of them. And can use a fixed chat or sth which they can send quickly. Or can mark things they saw. When they in the end or at checkpoints align again they can put the 4 items together and or can solve a mechanic based on the information each has collected. Maybe every checkpoint has a boss waiting or sth? And the drawing of cards System like in Genshin Tower defense could be used to have more max health def heal or shield by some condition so that you don‘t have to e.g. play C2 Diona in a 4 Player co-op. (Diona as an example because she‘s beside C2 Zhongli the only character who can grant others a shield but if playing single player she‘s usually swapped out fast to deal dmg with other characters so using her in co-op is usually not that fun but often you need a shielder or healer and not everyone can play their main dps. that problem could be solved through e.g. drawing such cards)
They're taking incremental measured steps when adding or changing aspects. If something's broken then they're pretty quick to fix it, otherwise it seems like the old adage if it ain't broke don't fix it is king, and it's been working very well so far. It's a diamond goose. You handle it with care. If you don't know by now then it might interest you that they have an MMO game as well, so those 3 minutes of explaining "what multiplayer games are good for" of an intro to your video is a bit superfluous. Players are constantly "I like this event- they should expand on it" and "I like that event- this should be endgame". MHY seem to understand exactly what their game is about, who it's for and where they want to take it going forward. As long as it's doing well you can only hope for small conservative tweaks.
It does suck
Another huge problem with coop on mobile is that trying to type is absolutely atrocious. It stretches the keyboard very awkwardly and the send button doesn't work quite right. I just stopped using coop on mobile at this point because it's so hard to communicate with the people I'm with.
I'd love to hear this but my washing machine is going ham on my clothes on the spin cycle and I can only pick up on every other syllable