STOP Saying 9mm RIVALS .357 MAGNUM! Buffalo Bore 9mm 147 gr +P+ VS Buffalo Bore .357 Magnum 180 gr
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- Опубликовано: 4 апр 2021
- I hear it and read it a lot that "9mm rivals .357 Magnum". Today I am putting that to the test by testing Buffalo Bore 9mm +P+ 147 gr XTP's VS Buffalo Bore .357 Magnum 180 gr XTP's. I am doing a chronograph test, ballistics gel test and 25 yard accuracy test. Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.com/user?u=5828221
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That's 250 fps of energy more .... And that's alot more -paul harrell
nice !
Paul Harrell is the man.
Thanks for leaving both sets of chronograph results on the screen at the same time
Dude I really like your video editing , The red square indicating where the bullet stopped in the ballistic gel is next level stuff man . Thanks for taking the time to do these videos and keep up the good work .
Thanks. It was a last minute thing on my last video with the square. I figured if the bullet isn't seen than it helps. The other two bullets in the block are from another test I did the same day (unreleased) and it was so clear in the block that there was no need to highlight it. I just try to make what I do as smooth and easy to follow as possible, whatever it takes, and some edits are different than others to accomplish it.
Awesome Job Sam, 357 is a powerhouse! Same thing is said for the 10mm vs 44mag with the auto loader fans...there is no comparison although 10mm is a great round too.
Thank you.
I’ve shot the 180 grain jhp buffalo bore .357 from my 6” S&W model 27 and consistently saw velocities hovering near 1500 fps. I’ve taken several white tail deer with that combo, and I can say the terminal results are impressive.
A good N frame or L frame revolver will handle a consistent diet of high pressure loads. I’m afraid those +P+ will send a semi auto 9 to an early overhaul, if not an early grave.
Thanks again Sam for giving maximum effort to conduct a fair comparison between 9mm +P+ and .357 Magnum. I carry both rounds but I'm put off by those who claim 9mm is just as powerful as .357 Magnum. That M&P pistol is a beauty!
Thanks for watching!
Hard to beat the king, 357 is gonna beat 9mm. That said each has its advantages in given circumstances. Great honest results, thanks Sam.
703 FPE, come on man!!! That's nuts!!!!!
I got 794 FPE with Buffalo Bore's 125 gr load.
Tell me about it ! And that's a 4 inch barrel I can't even imagine a 6 inch barrel
For realz! 10mm rivals .357 magnum and that depends on the load. It takes like a 124gr 9mm +p in an 8.7" cz scorpion to get 1425 fps. That is how much barrel length you need to rival .357 magnum
Still doesn't come close to the 357 Alaskan Ballistics because if you stick a good warm/hotter loaded 125 grain 357 in the same 8.7 barrel you'll get one hell of a lot more than 1425 fps,,,,the handload I speak of in my comment to another guy on here using a 125 grain XTP bullet and 21.5 grains(that's not even topped completely out because max in most sources show 22 grains and a couple older books I have show 22.5 as max for H110) of H110 powder gets a solid 1600fps+ (more closer to 1650) in the 6.5 inch barrel of my Ruger blackhawk and 2250fps plus a little change in the 20 inch barrel of my henry's lever and only about 50-75 slower in a my 16 inch marlin,,,,on the other hand put the best +p or +p+ 9mm in the 16 inch barrel of either my sub 2000 or Ruger pc carbine and you only get a gain of about 150 or at very best 200 fps over say a 4 or 6 inch barrel,,,I've tried geting more from the 9mm using slower powders like bluedot and as slow as 2400 and others in that neighborhood and the 9mm just doesn't have the case capacity to make use of the slower powders (whats needed if velocity is the goal) and sticking with faster powders the overall pressures climb way too high long before you reach velocities above about 1400fps even with the 115 grain weight range, even in the longer barrels and pushed into the +p+ realms where you are asking for troubles because there is no set pressure limits for what is called those +p+ loadings,,,all of the 357 loadings I mention are all still within perfectly normal set SAAMI pressure limits for the 357,,,,i suggest you read what I wrote on here to HAYAO LEONE and gain some more understanding of how it all works the way it does ballisticly because some many are very mixed up and not understanding or knowing what they are talking or arguing about.
None of those compare to .357 maximum!!!
This has been my point for awhile. There's such a focus on the gun that people often forget about the round design variable, both in the pressure and matching the bullet type to what you expect to shoot...
I don't usually shoot +P+, but when I do, I use someone else's gun. :)
And just to mention also, there may be a similar barrel travel, but no flash gap in the 9mm. If there was it would lose more pressure than you might think, making it even less powerful. .357 Magnum is probably the overall best caliber ever developed in a handgun.
There are always people that will say there gun caliber is as good as the next the next caliber up. I never understand these ideas. Glad you gave them something to visualize not just read numbers. Another great and educational vid. Thanks dude
If you want to “rival” 357 mag with a semi auto cartridge get hot 357Sig or better yet full power 10mm. You ain’t gonna do it with 9mm I don’t care how many plus you’ve got! 😏
Liking and posting for the Al Gore Rhythm! Staying for the great, intelligent commentary!
Great comparison as always! Like the gel, but miss the traditional "Jug or Not" though. Something just doesn't seem right without water splashing and baloney flying everywhere! 🤣
Thanks. I did buy bologna today though! It's not dead yet.
Hey there is an incredibly useful resource called ballistics 101, it's basically a site that lists info on pretty much as much factory ammunition as they can find.
Obviously still can lpad hotter but it gives you a very good idea where they caliber is.
9mm most powerful round at least on this site is Buffalo bore 147g Hardcast flat nose +p+ for 550 foot pounds on energy.
Now looking at 357 the vast majority of the factory loads are basically the same as the most powerful 9mm but .357 also has a few offerings hitting 800 foot pounds which you simply can't achieve with 9mm.
Just had this debate with my nephew this weekend. He was arguing for the 9mm. I referred him to your videos. Must be a Michigander thing. 😆
To be fair, I get most of the comments online and not in person in MI. But, MI is the strangest place ever, probably the only place you will see a tinted out lowrider cruising through Flint with a dead deer on the back during rifle deer season.
Lived in Mi for 10 years. Unfortunately, I wasn’t into guns at the time.
I'm a proud Michigander. I don't drive low riders, only pick up trucks. However, we don't have a lot of dangerous game here, the occasional wolf thats rare and cougar which is even more rare. Have black bears, but they are small, 250# max usually and a 223/556 or a 30-30 kills them pretty good. 9mm works for me, though I like my GP100, but the 9mm makes more sense for edc, mainly due to capacity and reload speed.
Wow sam, didn't know you were that close to me. I am originally from Ohio and found your videos searching for .327 fed mag and .32 h&r. I had to move to the flint area when my plant closed in Ohio.
The 9mm can't touch a quality 357 round in a similar barrel length. I think the 40 S&W falls right in between, with hot handloads and boutique stuff like Buffalo Bore beating 9mm and approaching, but falling short of, 357. If you want 357 performance out of an autoloader with factory ammo, I think your best bet is 10mm.
Excellent video as per usual. I handload and lately have been enjoying my 586 (mostly .38 special). Thank you for sharing :D
Liked that test. Very fair test.
You pointed out the obvious, but it seems that some folks need that!
Thanks for watching!
Buffalo Bore moved within 45 minutes from where I grew up...still have to pay $20 for S&H. Lol. Love the videos, man. Just found your channel recently.
Thank you. I don't mind the shipping, as I can find all I want without driving to 10 different stores and paying $30 in gas.
If by any chance there are still doubters of the 357 magnum, I got my hands on the same buffalo bore ammo that's tested in this video, and when I shot through the target at a local range, the bullets hit the rocky hill behind the target, and caused some rocks and a piece of wood about the size of my forearm to begin sliding down the hill toward the area of impact where the bullet hit. That really opened my eyes to the wonder 357 magnum has to offer. The feeling of the gun hitting between your index finger and thumb while it fired was also much different than the other ammo - it tingled.
With all due respect for revolvers, that M&P is gorgeous...
I like it. No jams yet and all I shoot is hollow points for testing.
Just a glock knock off. Lol
I'm not a S&W fanboy, but that's a very nice looking pistol.
@@jimmieburleigh9549 No way. Glocks suck, at least for me. They don't fit my hands right. The S&W is better for me.
Agree. I'm a revolver guy but the M&P is georgeous
Another awesome vid from Sam. Never tired to see those kind of caliber battles :-)
Thank you. I have a lot of fun with the .44 Magnum ones!
Thanks for the video.
I found the video very informative because I normally shoot 147 grain in my 5-inch barrel 9mm semi-automatic.
I normally shoot 180 grain in my 6-inch barrel 357 magnum revolver.
I've used a .357 magnum for many years, both handgun and rifle. I've also owned a few 9mm's. I now only have a 9mm in a small pocket pistol and have numerous .357 magnums. I've loaded many different bullets and powders in my .357's. I can say without a doubt it's not possible to equal the power of a .357 with a 9mm as they exist today.
I have seen many video's like that, using junk ammo in a snub & high Q in a 5 inch. Thank you for honest comparisons !.
Good test. I do like Buffalo Bore ammo and these XTPs did perform correctly but the lighter weigh XTPs do seem to be pushed well beyond their effective velocity.
Love the comparison. Each caliber has it's limits and your video shows it.
Thanks for watching
There's a reason LE carried .357Mag for over 50 years. It just work----- Every Time!!
This is an excellent video sam! Thanks man I appreciate it... 😁
Thank you.
I was wondering if someone had a best case comparison of Buffalo Bore's heaviest 9 vs 357. I figured you had one.... I don't think that was a lucky guess. Thanks again for all your hard work.
As a bullet nears the edge of the gel block and there's less and less gel between the bullet and the surface of the block, it will curve toward the surface of the block naturally and eventually escape the block entirely, as it will start to encounter less and less resistance from the thinning layer of gel (less mass) on the side of the bullet nearest the surface.
Some of those 9mm fan boys are "sofa king we Todd did."
Thanks for posting!
Paul Harrel put an end to this nonsense for those 9mm huggers. I am 5ft 105 pounds and carry a ruger sp101 with 357 mag federal hydro-shok ammo.
Every time I see a comparison video I am reminded of this one “best handgun caliber a real world study” search that in you tube and you will find a statistic laden video that shows basically everything from a . 380 auto to a .44 magnum are equally deadly in everyday shootings. It’s an incredibly good video.
1:06 The curious spider ran off after seeing those scary rounds.
Another great video bro!
Thank you.
I have been waiting for this comparison,.. Both of these cartridges are the exact ones that I carry in my guns. My revolver gets carried a lot more. While the 9mm is an admirable round, it just falls short of the 357, which has the power edge. Excellent video as always... Oh yeah,... keep the juggernot box. It's your signature test medium.
Thanks. That's pretty cool these are your exact rounds.
MY THOUGHTS TOO - I CARRY BOTH - BUT IF THERE'S A 300 lb GUY IN HEAVY WINTER CLOTHING WITH A BIG KNIFE TEN FEET AWAY - I WANT A BAZOOKA -- DONE RIGHT - THE 357 CAN BE A BAZOOKA -- I'M SURE THE 9 WOULD DO THE JOB - BUT IT AINT WHAT I'D RATHER HAVE
The advantage of the 9mm is the lighter weight. Even my short barreled .357 weighs much more than a polymer gun.
I still remember the sting in my hand shooting that Remington 180gr HTP stuff through my J-Frame. As for that 9mm, I wouldn't put it in my P365. I'll stick with lower energy 124gr stuff. I haven't been shooting for a while. I'll have to fix that.
Pretty much all .357 Mag ammo even in my 605 stings like that. It's amazing of just doubling the weight from a snubby to a 686 reduces the recoil so much, but it does.
@@GunSam Well you've got more mass to move, so less free recoil energy just from that. Also the powder does more work to get the bullet out, so there is less rocket thrust at the muzzle from the powder charge. Both of those contribute to reduced recoil. It also helps to have bigger grips that fit your hand better. That spreads the force over more of your hand to take out some of the sting.
Besides. I think you now have dead nerves in your hands and don't feel the recoil so much anymore! :p
@@Fudmottin I think the bigger grips make as much difference as anything. If the 605 had an N frame grip frame and grip to match, I think it would be a surprising difference. Like, same recoil, but it don't matter. Sort of like a punch to the head bare VS a punch to the head wearing a helmet has the same power, but one feels different.
You nailed the critical flaw many people commit when they do comparison of the 9mm Parabellum vs. 357 Magnum to justify the 9mm is as or better than the 357 for self defense. They often use the highest-end premium self-defense 9mm and lowest econo-grade 357 for the comparison. The 9mm is often loaded with exotic control expansion bullet to pressure level above SAMMI specs and the 357 are often loaded with cheap pure lead jacked hollow point bullet to barely above 38 Special +P pressure level.
Hi Sam... If the .357 rounds are the SKU 19L, the increase in velocity from 2.5” to 3” is pretty high, esp. compared to a 4” barrel. 👍👍👍👍
➤ 1,258 fps -- S&W model 66-4, 2.5-inch
➤ 1,351 fps -- S&W model 65-5, 3-inch
➤ 1,356 fps -- S&W Mt. Gun, 4-inch
➤ 1,501 fps -- Ruger GP 100, 6-inch
➤ 1,840 fps -- Marlin 1894, 18-inch
Once again, a great video! Thanks!
Thank you.
Thank you for another informative video! There are other comparison videos on RUclips that agree with your findings. (As just one example, see Paul Harrell's "personal protection" video on the comparison.)
Thanks for watching!
This video ends the argument. Would not feel underguned with either 1. 357 definitely superior. I'm really surprised what you said about the recoil. I would have thought they would have been uncomfortable to shoot. Thanks for another well done and informative video.
Thanks!
Depends on the revolver....I handload 180 grain .357 for the practice range. The larger bullets give me better accuracy in all my S&W wheelguns. I load both lead and jacketed, at low, moderate, and full power. I can shoot the full power 180 grain loads out of N-Frame and L-Frame guns with minimal recoil “response” (I don’t jerk the gun or scream like a little girl.). But, the same loads in my all-steel j-Frame is unbearable. If I tried to shoot that stuff in an Airweight .357 snubbing, I suspect I’d sell all my guns and move to Hawaii...
I have also thought about that. Heavy +P+147gr WITH a long barrel. However, moat people use a micro 9, and they will NOT get that velocity from a 3" - 3.7" barrel.
My friend this was an effective just a well done comparison. I hope this stop all of these silly 9mm magic guys from thinking that all of sudden a 9mm can defy physics. A 9mm is just a decent round and nothing more, a 357 mag is a proven man stopper. How does anyone question 40 % more power this is why it was developed in the beginning. The 357 mag used to be loaded to 40,000 psi and now its 35,000 Sammi specs. Great job!!!
Great video! Buffalo bore used to use an 8 inch barrel for handgun rounds. I tried carrying an 8 inch revolver appendix style but people would give me the weirdest look's. ( Lol )
I believe I was wrong Buffalo bore uses a 5 inch barrel and it's Hornady that uses the 8 inch barrel. Boy that's the biggest mistake in 44 years, that's when I got married.
Buffalo Bore states that they use real handguns, so there's not just one rating despite the box saying it. Companies like Hornady use a fake gun thing, it's a test barrel and gives higher velocity than a real revolver. If you find a Buffalo Bore round and look at the numbers it will show velocity from each gun, and they are often very close to what I get.
@@GunSam cool, that's why you're the best.
Good comparison. Good results. Thank you.
Thank you!
Hoping Florida goes Constitutional carry.if they do I'm debating on carrying my GP100 357mag or Super Blackhawk 44mag. I 🤔
Missouri has constitutional carry. That said, one isn't as well covered in certain places with constitutional carry as they would be an CCW permit. I realize that isn't fair, but that's how it's done. Might be different in Florida. Good luck.
I like this channel -very informative
Great video Sam I never miss a one. Have you ever tested the Hornady lever revolution rounds I know they are meant for rifles but now a days you take what you can get and I’m just curious how they stack up. I’d like to see the 44 go up against the 357 with them. Thanks for the great information
Thanks. I have seen them here and there, but because I can never get .357 and .44 mag at the same time, I don't buy them as I like to do "VS" type of tests.
I’m a Glock man but, I like smith also and that smith you have is just beautiful!!!!!
Well Sam I'd like to correct you on one thing, you can or at least you used to be able to get lighter weight 357 bullets that will hold together at higher velocities,,,an example is a loading I've used for many years for hunting in my 357 carbine rifles,,,it's the Hornady XTP FP,,,,no not the common XTP hollow point but the XTP FP that is not actually a hollow point per say but a heavier constructed jacketed flat point design with very slight hollow point nose,, they are more toughly constructed and i have used them on deer and even elk in both 125 and 158 grain weights pushed very fast from carbine rifles with very good results, also the 140 FTX is a great lighter weight fast bullet option,,,,, Speer deep curles and nosler's also do better at holding together,,,at least on living tissue in myn hunting experience,,,anyhow,,,,I just laugh at the ignorance of guys trying to compare the 9mm to the 357 in terms of saying it rivals or equals or "just as powerfull LOL NOT IN ANY UNIVERSE,,,if you want a auto pistol caliber that will keep pace with the 357 you'll need a 10mm and it only barely (and I mean BARELY) keeps pace with the 357,,,oh boy do I here the 10mm fanboys heads exploding but look it up and test it any way you want to but fact is fact,,,and no I have no horse in this race all of these calibers are great at what the do so to speak,,,9mm is probably one of the absolute best rounds for personal defense because of it's low recoil, report, and flash,,,the 10mm is a great higher powered choice when you just want more horse power for those times when you just might run into larger ugly four legged vermin,,,,and the 357 can pretty much handle and do all those same jobs just as well or maybe a tad better because of the flexibility of the revolver allowing you to load anything from mild 38 special up to rather nuclear level thumpers that have no problem doing quite a good job on even some of the biggest of the big 4 legged nasties out there,,,but guys COME ON stop trying to make any of these calibers something they are not nor will ever be,,,if you need more horsepower stop trying to ad plusses to it and just get a bigger hammer,,if I know my 38 special or 9mm isn't going to be enough or the best for what I am likely to run into then i pack my 357 or 10mm if I think I may still be a bit undergunned or want that extra bit of security and comfort/mental comfort then I pack either one of my 44 magnums or 460 Rowland or hell if I really decide to go big or feel extra vulnerable that day maybe one of my 454 casull's or 460 S&W,,point is I don't push the weapon's ability to contain +p+++++ whatever ammo trying to make it that next level on the ladder i just move up to the rung on the ladder I'm trying to imitate with all those extra plusses,,,,but it seems some guys will never get it.
Good Video again .. I guess that driving a 10 liter supercharged V8 or a wee Honda Civic is a fair comparison when you are on a 50 mph highway - you may arrive at exactly the same place and time. . When shooting your 9mm or 357 Magnum .. the limit is comfortably throwing the holes onto precisely the target center - & the power it took is sort of by-the-way?
I mean, I think for the most part a .357 Mag will stop a normal threat better, but I can see with these lunatics that do mass shootings and wearing armor, how 9mm is the best defense against them as their armor would easily stop a .44 Mag. As many decent powered, easy to shoot rounds like a 9mm are good as your target is not center mass, and more likely to miss.
Sam's one video is worth more than 1,000 words...
My wife loves her m&p performance center But my model
66 still kicking the most, well what ever needs to be kicked!
You can NEVER go wrong with the BORE.😮
As I can see by the table I think you like both..... Both have their uses and both are great
Yeah. I mean, if I didn't have at least respect for 9mm I would have bought and used a Taurus G3 or something lol.
This again is why I enjoy your videos above All others! You compare apples to apples!
Thanks. I don't always, well at least not what other's think of as apples to apples. Sometimes apples to apples is not a physical similarity but rather a philosophical one. For instance, I say that the .45 ACP and .357 Magnum are apples to apples. Some people will freak out and be like, no they aren't. However, back in the day before .357 Sig, .40 S&W and so on, the "highest up" handguns that were used in the same role, were the .357 Magnum and .45 ACP. So comparing the two "best" of an era that filled the SAME role, is apples to apples to me as some western police forces likes 1911's, and other's carried .357 S&W's.
I carry the buffalo bore cast bullets in my ruger gp100. Never know when you could run accross a pissed off sasquatch lol
I carry Buffalo Bore 180 Hard cast lead in my 19-3 2.5 inch barrel in spring and blueberry picking in the fall, in Black bear country. They kick pretty good out of this gun, but manageable.
I did something I've never done today. I was like #357 on a Gun Sam revolver video. I may take the rest of the day off.
Finally some one brave enough to shoot the 180gr Buffalo Bore jhp's They are so powerful they broke my brand new Henry leaver gun. The fixed it but warned me they would not do it again if I keep shooting the Buffalo Bore ammo out of it. Smith and Wesson does not advise shooting Buffalo Bore ammo out of any of their guns because "like you said they are above Sammi spec's"
I have a 9mm and a 357. My 9mm feelings aren't hurt. Not with 19 inches of penetration.
Revolvers can deliver way more power than the vaunted 9mm. That makes them my go to gun in my home. I have yet to hear, read or see news of any home owner using 16+ rounds of 9mm ammo in a home invasion. I think it is better to be able to use one shot from a powerful revolver per thug than to have to take several shots per thug with a 9mm. All it takes is steady practice at the range to get used to how a revolver shoots. I find that cocking the hammer back makes the trigger pull almost like a semi auto. Better to take the time to be accurate rather than the 'Pray N' Spray' method of the 9mm. Keep up the good work.
Thank you great video 👍
Always a good and interesting video. I just had a thought, I was out shooting my Taurus 692 (6.5" barrel) today which come with two cylinders (a 9 mm and a .38 Spl/.357), would that work for the test you did today? I'm guessing there is something that would not be right for that comparison? Thanks again, always enjoy your videos. Take care.
I mean, theoretically it would work, but I think what a lot of people like to see is the cartridges in their typical platforms.
@@GunSam Thanks I appreciate your response, and that make good sense. Keep up the good work.
i never said that lol i said 9mm is good enough for what i need it for lol
@@jorgesolis9468 yeah i know that but most people arent in bear country like i am and also those are for one round too if i shoot one 357 or 5 0mm thats four more holes type of thing
@@jorgesolis9468 exactly im like 5 hours from yellowstone im not quite living in bear country but do go through it
@@jorgesolis9468 im in a town so two legged pests my issue so i carry a g2c in 9mm
@@jorgesolis9468 cant beat it for a 200 dollar gun there re guns that are twice the price that arent half as good
I've learned how to make nine mill major but unless you have a real custom gun it's gonna break. ,357 is major al day long at factory pressure.
I personally love both of these calibers. I am even a fan of a good 38 special round. They each really do have their own level of duty so, I'm agreeing 100% with you Sam. I just picked up a Browning Buck Mark. Do you ever try .22LR reviews?
I was planning on doing some soon.
@@GunSam That's great news! I have heard that the .22LR can not have a muzzle velocity lower than 1,000fps to be able too cycle the slide properly. I can't wait to see the results from your tests. Thanks Sam.
We agree. I have an auto pistol in .40 S&W. When I walk the dogs in the morning I carry a 3" .357. I have some Buffalo Bore ammunition but so far haven't used it. I am protecting against cougars and feral dogs. We see an occasional black bear and the rare wolf. I have seen one wolf in 20 years but there are packs on both sides of this valley. Even so, I feel better with the revolver than the .40. There is a difference.
You lose so much power with a 3" barrel.
It's like the .357 had the +p+ 147 grain then had a nice middle of the road 38 special +p baby lol
Good job!
Call of duty and real life are 2 different things. If yall got out of mama's basement more often yall would know that.
Lol
I actually lived with mine for a bit when going through a divorce. Had my reloading setup down there in the basement lol
@@GunSam
Lol that's way different
@@GunSam Don't feel bad Sam I'm 55 and back to living with my parents,,,but the reason is because of health issues of those parents to help them in their old age,,,I own my own place but it's sitting empty right now LOL.
I was wanting to see the damage in the jug or not box.
I think the 9mm was tested , not sure about the 357 ammo ?
Me too
Sam ur on point agin brother 👏. How was ur Easter hope it was safe. That 9mm +p+ was moving. But still little longer barrel in 357mag with handloads and their some heavy hitters. Same as know 357mag bullet weight more then 9mm mean more energy to target. Theses nerdy guys all after how fast cook a round in fps area.
Thanks. I filmed this one on Easter as it was pretty warm.
@@GunSam nice. Was warm here also in Pennsylvania for Easter 🐣. Had snow ❄ few days before during week
Very good comparison! Do you think you can chronograph that 357 load in a snub nose?
I might at some point test it in the snub
Vs 2 legged predators either one will cause a break in engagement. If there's a wild boar intent on climbing up my leg to express it's anger, I'll take the one most likely to bring that engagement it an end quickly.
Cool video.......I like both calibers although in my 9mm I've found 124gr. works best for me.I know some people are always concerned about how powerful a round is ,but I'm just interested in how effective a round is.I think your videos show both power and effectiveness. I appreciate what you do, thanks.
Thanks. Yes, effectiveness is a fluid thing. I would say .38+P and 9mm are identically effective with hollow points on flesh, but on hard barriers 9mm is better. Just an example of a fluid thing, where energy is energy period is not the whole story, but higher energy can still have a use.
@@GunSam agreed
I get where people are coming from. Yeah, a snub nose 357 might be edged out by a full-sized 9mm loaded hot. But 357 in a longer barrel is another animal.
For the last few days I've been considering getting a double-stack wonder 9 for more capacity. This video helped me decide not to. Now if only 357 magnum ammo choices would return to 2019 levels....
Nothing wrong with a reliable 9mm. They work, my video here is just science and proving a point. Be like if I said a racecar is faster than a minivan, but for the most part you're driving to go shopping.
And the minivan carries more
That's funny, I use a similar comparison, but in mine high capacity 9mm is the fancy sportscar and my accurate and durable service six is a tractor. I realize revolvers do have malfunctions, and when they do, it's bad. That said, I'm more likely to encounter a pissed off hog than a human where I live, and 9mm doesn't cut it: from experience.
357/38 are great cartridges for reloading....
@@jmichaelcarbonniere9549 I have had very few revolver hang ups, no serious issues in revolvers or semi autos where it couldn't be fixed while on the range, but I will say this; my experience is opposite of most. The couple of slight hang ups I have had in the past 12 years of shooting revolvers, were solved by opening and closing the cylinder. Most of the semi auto issues are fixed as fast, but I had one semi auto issue where it took like 5 minutes to clear the semi auto issue.
A great resource, thanks for making the investment. I have a K6s that I carry when backpacking (2”)... any speculation on how that “heavy” Buffalo Bore from the video would perform in a stub nosed recover?
I can't be certain, but typically the heavier the bullet the more efficient it is in a shorter barrel, as the heavy bullet is longer, take up more case capacity, reduces powder charge for max pressure and therefore has less powder to lose in a short barrel. Recoil would be brutal though.
I just now looked up on their website, and in a 2.5" barrel VS a 4" barrel, the velocity loss is about 100 FPS.
What ammo is hotter than buffalo bore? I want to try it! Is there a plus + + stuff for magnums too?
Appreciate the detailed comparison but it’s apples and oranges. I’ll take my G34 loaded with 20rds of Buffalo Bore 147g Outdoorsman and Holosun SCS against 6 rounds in a revolver for my backpacking excursions every time. Keep up the good work Brother.
Both are .35 caliber with similar bullets weights. That's apples to apples really.
I hold you personally responsible for the S&W442 I just ordered...
i'm giving my 342 to someone in need of a gun. That means I will probably buy a 637 or 442 to replace it, as the 342 was not much of a shooter.
A Gun Company in Kentucky has them at a decent price....lol. 😄
Ever think about putting a Apex trigger on that sweet 9m S&W 2.0
Not really as I don't know a lot about them.
It doesn't seem like the extra 32 grains you'd get in that 147 grain 9mm is worth the extra pressure compared to 115 grain. That said 15+ rounds of that stuff would be one heck of a sidearm and good in a mob situation . Not as good a woods gun as a .357 and either would suffice for self defense under normal circumstances.
Sam, I think underwood +P+ 147gr, vs .40 underwood 165gr would be a great video.
Hey, I'm just now catching this video. Question: If you had to guess, what would this BB 357 load do in ballistic gel out of a 357 lever action carbine?
Buffalo bore lists the velocities out of various barrel lengths on their site, for this round I think it's around 1,800 fps from a lever action
Excellent points. I would not want to shoot very much +p+ 9mm, and i would not shoit it at all in a light polymer frame gun (my Kahr P9) or my S&W 3913, and certainly not in my BHP. Maybe a steel S&W or a Beretta. And the 357 still has a lot more energy and a heavier bullet. Some ppl are just intellectually dishonest- they like to twiat test conditions and facts to suit their own ideas, biases, and preconceived notions. Facts are very inconvenient to an ideologue. The 9mm is a fine cartridge in its best loadings. The 357 is very good even in average loadings, and exceptional in its best ones. The main use i see for +p+ loads like this is for animal defense, if a 9mm is all you have or is what you want to carry for reasons of weight, size, capacity, etc. Very nice test
This powerful .357 mag 180gr is safe in any .357 magnum revolver? I have a .357 mag revolver made in 1978. Is it safe to shoot that round? Will it explode my gun or have overpressure?
Well said !!
Great testing Sam. Yes, 9mm will spank the .357 magnum when you know you're living in fantasy land. .357 is and will always reign supreme. 🎩☯️♠️
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I hear people say the 9mm is better than all sorts of other cartridges and if it’s not then it’s only slightly less effective and the added capacity more than makes up for it even if it’s just an extra round. I’ve personally always thought you should carry the most powerful thing you can shoot effectively.
The absolute hottest 9mm seems to sit between a .40 180 grain HST and a 165, 1010 FPS and 1130. A standard Glock 22 barrel can shoot those HSTs, a Glock 17 is limited to +P 9mm.
God’s work my friend. God’s work.
Try making this comparison with a 357 magnum load rated +p+
Pretty revolver! Whats the Brand?
Wow what a video...love 357 but that is a hot 9mm
Thanks for watching.
I agree with u 110% , the 9mm fan boys that believe a 9mm is on the same level as a 357 magnum are in la la land they are delusional
I've never heard anyone say 9mm was like .357 mag but have heard people 10mm is similar I wouldn't know don't have either one but I do want both a semi automatic 10mm and a .357 mag
I reload 9mm and 357magnum... Chronograph and math put the 9mm 124gr at 1163fps and 361ft lbs.
The magnum @ 158gr sits about 1255fps and 551ft lbs
They have similar fps, but weights and kinetic energy are not the same. Magnum produces almost 2x the muzzle energy