🇷🇺🇺🇸 Comment by the Russian Embassy in the United States We have noticed the statements made by representatives of the Administration regarding so-called "Holodomor". Once again, the United States is promoting the false thesis that the Soviet leadership allegedly deliberately and purposefully “starved” millions of Ukrainians. Such interpretation of the events of the 1930s fundamentally distorts history. And comment by 1420: 🏆 Join the BlancVPN - it protects your privacy on the Internet: blancvpn.deals/1420
@@dassboards5653 Oh, you're talking about the USA. I didn’t immediately understand when I remembered how many millions of Indians the Americans killed in their country and the fact that they are now being kept on reservations.
The period of glasnost and perestroika opened up a lot of information. 1 Lenin repeatedly Order the Execution of batches of 10,000 to20,000 Small Ukrainian Farmers (8-20 employees) called Kulacks. They weren't guilty of any specifric crime he just didn't like these farmers as a class of people. 2 Stalin Continued the Mass Murders. 3 Farms were collectivized under Kolkoz and Sovkoz. These were extremely inefficient and had low productivity and were generally incompetently run. 4 Some peasants were allowed to run small plots of land and some had retained land. 5 Food was confiscated from Ukraine leading to the deaths of 4 million Ukrainians in Ukraine and another 600,000 Ukrainians in Kazakhstan on top of 1 million kazahaks. 6 The food was not just exported to Moscow but exported to earn foreign exchange to drive Stalin's Industrialization plans. 7 Stashes of survival grain were confiscated by Torture. The "Cold Method" involved stripping the women (an act of terror) and making them walks in the snow till they or their men revealed hidden grains. The Hot method involved dousing the hem of the skirt in petrol and igniting it. 8 Moscow was in control of Ukraine. Russia had yet again taken Ukrainians short lived 1919 independence away from it. 9 Moscow had banned the teaching of Ukrainians until 1905. Programs of Russification existed and immigration/emigration was used to dilute.
@@williamzk9083 Забавно, в начале 30ых, председателя колхоза (дядя моего папы) тоже расстреляли, а он не казах и не украинец был, а русский, живший в КБР. Трагедия была, но смешно, как украинцы её приватизируют и считают, что эта беда исключительно произошла лишь с украинцами....
Interesting cases! It is really impossible to deny the Holodomor. It was a crime of the Bolshevik Party led by Stalin. Eastern Ukraine suffered the most. But now Ukrainians blame for this certainly Russian and entire Russia as a state, consciously forgetting that millions of Russians also suffered from the Holodomor both in Ukraine and in Russia, as well as in Kazakhstan. Russians, for their part, may well recall to Ukrainians the fact that it was people born in villages and cities of Eastern Ukraine who were the mainstay of the Stalinist regime in the army and the NKVD, the main contingent of guards in the GULAG. But I have never met Russians who would blame Ukrainians for this. This is such a primitive, deceitful, hypocritical, anti-Russian propaganda of double standards.
@@СергейБулкин-ъ1и what you miss is that the starving was done because the food was shipped away from these areas by force. very much like how the irish starved while under british rule. just what happens when evil gets in power. it is what it is. even the good rulers become corrupted after enough time.
Imho: Those who caused it. Because those who deny it have a theoretical chance of not making a new one possible. But if it were to happen again, the guilt of the deniers would be added to the atrocity. A kind of diabolic gamble for the deniers. Either way, both remain dishonorable. (Of course, it is better to deal with the story as honestly as possible before making a statement).
Ukraine has monopolised the disaster that was a famine and rebranded it to the holodomor to be their own holocaust. The famine struck from Ukraine through southern Russia and into Kazakhstan. No one of course talks about the Russians and Kazakhs who died. The Ukrainian narrative that the famine was directed against Ukrainians holds no water and is Ukrainian myth making. Ukraine is a nation borne out of hatred and the hatred is killing Ukraine right now.
The Dust Bowl happened in America. The early 30s were a period of heavy drought in the whole World. The National Mitigation of Droughts of the US extensively wrote about this. @@VilkatisJanis
@@thepeopleslibrary8673 According to Russian scientists, demographic losses in 1932-33 due to a decrease in the birth rate, exacerbation of diseases associated with famine, deportations, and repressions amounted to 3.5 - 7 million people in Ukraine, in Kazakhstan - 1.3 million people, Volga region - 0.4 million people, in the North Caucasus - 1 million people, in other areas - 1 million people
The conservative estimate is that every 10th died from hunger, and a lot of who survived were severely malnourished. Also hunger affected disproportionately kids and elderly
People simultaneously say how good it was in the Soviet Union and that asking about an event from a state that no longer exists is a provocation. Yes, yes, you can see how it really was in the Soviet Union.
In Soviet Union the kindergardens were free, every summer all kids went to summer camps , free medicine, free education, families get free apartment ( my parents get for free 4rooms appartment in 90s ). Free meals at schools. Free after school activities for kids and adults. Enjoy 😂😂😂
@@tatianarusmade336 Nothing is free. All your schools, clubs and camps are paid for with taxes. As for the apartments, it’s just luck that the USSR collapsed and no one bothered about what to do with them now, and now you are full-fledged owners of these apartments, and not like in the USSR, when this apartment belonged to the state, and you didn’t had the right to fully own it, redeem it, etc.
@@youngblood7191 , but in every country people pay taxes .🤣but dont get anything back. In USA people pay taxes alot, and pay for everything.There money go for wars .
At 3.39 a young man says that the constitution Stalin gave Russia in '37 was one of the most democratic of all times. Comprehension of reality is not Russia's strong point!
I've just quickly read through the Wikipedia entry about the 1936 Constitution of the Soviet Union which presumably officially came into operation in 1937. In fact, it is very democratic, guaranteeing amongst other things free speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of religion. I suppose the real problem is that the state adopted the Constitution and then ignored it completely.
@@marijo1951 А есть ли доказательства игнорирования? По моим сведениям все перечисленные вами положения исполнялись в полном объёме. И лишь единицы уголовников говорят, что в их отношении это не исполнялось, хотя их осуждали совсем по иным делам. Вполне возможно, что они были так же плохи и в остальных сторонах.
Russian NKVD trained Gestapo in capturing and torturing polish guérilla fighters on the occupied territory. The training included instructions on using terror on civilians to elicit response from the guérillas. Sounds familiar. Nothing changed in russia.
For once a very depressing vox pop by Daniil. Depressing that so many people, of all ages but particularly the more elderly, either deny what happened or make excuses for it and for the evil man who was responsible for it all. God help us.
Yeah, it's like watching an upside-down mirror world. For fuck's sake, Stalin's single-handedly decided policies had either killed or displaced millions of people before the second world war even started. I know many of these russians don't care what happened with Ukrainians, Kazachs, Poles, Jews, Georgians, Karelians, etc... But shouldn't they at least remember the Great Purge? When the NKVD just shot more than a million people in the head, and then they also killed those who did the shooting, which kinda makes it even crazier, if you think about living inside such system? Basically every Soviet citizen, regardless of views, nationality, wealth, religion or party affiliation, feared being woken up by a knock on the door and a sack on the head, and they just call it "a mistake" now?!
I think other than the old guys, the young people are just saying things to not get in trouble. You can tell with the guy who just randomly said "I support the war". I suppose he could actually support it, but that interaction was very weird.
Ukraine has monopolised the disaster that was a famine and rebranded it to the holodomor to be their own holocaust. The famine struck from Ukraine through southern Russia and into Kazakhstan. No one of course talks about the Russians and Kazakhs who died. The Ukrainian narrative that the famine was directed against Ukrainians holds no water and is Ukrainian myth making. Ukraine is a nation borne out of hatred and the hatred is killing Ukraine right now.
There is newspapers from 1930's explaining how ukranitzation of population in eastern parts of societ ukraine was going. It is unlikely there is anything about Ukraine
That first man was very scary. I had the impression that he'd been involved in some pretty nasty stuff on behalf of the state at some stage in his life...
That's right. Try to imagine if Nazi Germany won and you were on the street interviewing the descendants of the henchmen, the triggermen, the rapists, and torturers. What kind of responses do you think you would get? The crimes of Russia are shocking to the core and the perpetrators and their descendants walk the street of Russia as ordinary citizens. Watch "the Soviet story".
There were two types of people in the Soviet Union--Those that were tortured and suffered(unhappy) and those that supported those doing the torturing (happy).
The 1931 harvest was good. The USSR forced Ukraine to hand over 42 percent of its production. The next harvest was catastrophic. The situation became desperate when the law of the three ears was passed, which imposed sentences of ten years of hard labour for those who stole any state property. And the food belonged to the State. Party activists and Army units moved to Ukraine to requisition the food that peasants were hiding to survive. Stalin created a cordon around Ukraine. Many towns were surrounded by the Police so that no one could leave. And watchtowers were installed. As the famine spread, a campaign of repression was launched against intellectuals, professors, writers, artists, priests, officials... who were imprisoned, sent to work camps, and executed. When the 1937 census gave undesirable figures, the authors were executed and the official statistics were altered. It was with the opening of the archives, after the fall of the USSR in 1991, that the magnitude of the famine began to be confirmed. To all those who surprisingly praise the figure of Stalin and minimise his genocidal character, I would recommend that they read Nikita Khrushchev's speech at the 20th Congress of the CPSU; I'm sure it will teach them something.
@@nauticalnovice9244 The speech was given on February 25, 1956, at the 20th Congress of the Communist Party held in Moscow, but was not made public until 1988. It had been three years since the death of Stalin, responsible for the death by starvation of more than seven million innocent only between 1932 and 1933 and sending another two million people to the gulag (Soviet concentration camps) between 1935 and 1940, of whom 700,000 were shot without prior trial. In fact, during his entire mandate, it is estimated that he killed more than five million Soviet people, calculating downwards, and Khrushchev thought that the time had come to reveal and condemn, for the first time, those horrible crimes. In 2006, Gorbachev already declared that he was concerned about this phenomenon of the cult of Stalin being present in today's Russia, so much so that a copy of the voluminous text should have been among the objects in the exhibition that the Moscow History Museum inaugurated that same year on the occasion of that important communist conclave, but was later not released to the public. Only the front page of the newspaper "Pravda" was shown with the beginning of the speech, while a short film was projected in which an almost illegible page of the historic report appeared for just over ten seconds. Khrushchev didn't lie, the communist party did. Abrir en el Traductor de Google • Enviar comenta
@@ahones2255 the Perestroika Deception and New Lies For Old, by Anatoliy Golitysn. False condemnation of Stalin as a tactical move to decieve the West.
It was a bumper crop--The grain was DUMPED on the international markets and tons rotted in silos with guards preventing people to take it! Children were shot for picking up even a few grains off of the ground!
They learned postmodernism since 1917. You know that holodomor was called "food expansion" in ussr 😂 ? Now you understand that "special military operation" and "negative floating of the ship" has tradition. These ppl are 5 year old mentally and when bombarded by postmodernism just capitulate. It's too much for them
Some of these videos turn my stomach. The willful ignorance of these people is astonishing. My grandmother barely survived her exile to Siberia and saw so much misery and death. How was she an enemy of the people at 15 years old? The Russian policy of invasion, plunder, repression, and murder is why most of the world hates their “motherland.”
Listening to most of these people make me sick to my stomach. You can't help wondering what is wrong with them, that they are so backward and cowardly. Listening to this should make everyone aware of what people are like when oppressed over years and years. That is not humanity.
They are victims of evil outside forces, but at the same time better than others and they have never done anything bad to anyone, nor attacked anyone... They believe this.. that is what is wrong with them..
@@littlegreenman2014 Really there is nothing funny about it -- not to a Ukrainian whose family has been devastated by Vlad the monster that these people support.
Это (отборный материал) за многие поколения!!! Если на росии столетиями искоренялись нормальные,развитые,умные,талантливые,здравомыслящие люди а плодились только вертухаи, энкаведешники и другие аморальные нелюди и убийцы что вы сейчас хотите услышать от их потомков??? Это нелюди....
"Back then, the people were enemies of the people so they had to be dealt with in brutal and inhuman ways. There are more people now who are enemies of the people so we need to unite." ???
I am from Mari El republic in Russia. We have holodomor more then in soviet Ukraine republic. In this time, holodomor was in territory now of Ukraine, Russia, Kazahstan
Все нации из бывших республик, якобы такие белые и пушистые и только жертвы. Моего дедушку упек в Гулаг этнический латыш. Латышские стрелки сыграли огромную роль в том, чтобы революция октября 1917 г победила, были в охране Ленина, были карателями в 1918, 19 году по отношению к русскому населению.
так может не надо было соваться в эти "бывшие республики"? вот объясни мне - зачем советское руководство полезло везде и всюду? притом что в самой стране люди до сих пор в халупах спят?
@@ОльгаРоманова-б7х чел, ты плохо читаешь? зачем ссср ВООБЩЕ лез во все места, куда не надо? мне вот латвия нафиг не сдалась, как и вся прибалтика с польшей.
Daniil! I am an American Kulak; successfull in my own "Right" whenever the gov-mink doesn't fek whi' me. Me ethnicity is Irish. Just before the 'Merikan un-Civil war, around 1848, the same stealing of the Farmer's food was pulled in Ireland. The thieves called it "the tater famine", yet, of course, the thieves on the throne in englan' STOLE the Irish Folk's crops. Under force o' military arms. The People's food is a POWERful weapon. Rick Bonner
Ukraine in 2022: due to ruzzian armed invasion, there was a risk of famine in Egypt, Lebanon and other countries etc because ruzzianz attacked exports from Ukraine, there was separate grain deal!!!! Ukraine in "peaceful" 1933: harvest was so bad that it could not feed even local population Yeap, i see logic here, ruzzian logic.
3.35 "For example, the constitution of 37 is recognized as one of the most democratic of that time" !!! The most democratic? Under Stalin ?? Do these guys have the faintest idea of what the year 37 was like in the USSR under Stalin???
Even after awful stories told by my grandmother about Holodonor, I still wanted to come to russia, thinking that people had changed. But no. I will tell to my future children about everything, so they won't be like me-naive. So they'll learn all the lessons from history rather than from personal experience.
A possible question you could ask some Russian people for a video is: How do you feel about Putin officially pardoning many brutal criminals and murderers who participated in the war against Ukraine? You could also provide some background information about those criminals and the atrocities they committed while posing the question. It seems that there has been a lot of news about it recently.
You mean yourself? Historia Publica is a channel that will go through evidence by evidence, he's a historian who will deal with Material Evidence and Photographic evidence. His channel is in Portuguese, but subtitles are in English. Comments are being deleted.
Russian here. 'holodomor' indeed happened in USSR in 1930-x but it happened not only in Ukraine. In 'povolzh'ie'(Поволжье) region millions died as well. My grand grand mother barely survived it with her small children. Bolsheviks came to her village and took away her new house. They almost sent her to Siberia for being 'kulak' but eventually let her live with her three kids in a wooden cabin(imagine enjoying it in Russian winter). She hated communists till her last day. As much I support Ukraine's independence, I have to say that Ukrainian narrative presents 'holodomor' being directed specifically on them which is false. Stalin never cared about Soviet people or any people for that matter.
Yes, but you're messing up the terminology. The Holodomor was the Ukrainian part of the so-called Soviet famine of 1930-1933. So yes, there was a famine in all of the USSR, and Stalin didn't direct it at any peoples in particular, but the term "Holodomor" is used specifically for Ukraine's famine at the same time
Yes, this was class warfare -- it was directed at the destruction of an economic class (real or imagined) and not at a specific ethnicity. The only difference between Nazis and Communists is the former killed based on race and the latter based on economic standing.
Thanks for pointing this out, not sure though if it changes anything. All Soviet republics suffered to some degree. Moscow and St Petersburg regions were the least affected ones I believe. Small regions with ethnic minorities suffered the most. I'm from Chuvashia republic and can tell you that Chuvash people suffered as much as Ukrainian people did. Again, I'm absolutely against the war and want Ukraine to chose its own way and prosper. Also, I understand why Ukrainians push this narrative and can't blame them. I just want everyone(westerners I mean) to understand that not only Ukraine suffered from that famine no matter how you call it. Have a great day!@@antoinepetrov
@@iggipobIt’s not that Ukrainians were they only ones who starved, it’s that they were disproportionately worse off than other people in the USSR. However, I’m sure other minorities were treated very poorly too since that’s still the case now in regards to the war and who is being sent to die in Ukraine.
There is a movie "Bitter Harvest" by Canadian director George Mendeluk. It's a biography of his grandfather who managed to escape form Ukraine to Canada. Before starting filming, he researched this topic for 8 years. If you want to have an idea what happened during Holodomor, you should watch that movie.
@@Maria_Nizhny_Novgorod Account under the nick "Мария Пономарёва" wants to know if he was a Nazi. Do you think this account is a rushist, chauvinist, and imperial?
@Invervinus This comes from an account who left here a comment that he likes the soviet union of stalin's times. Hitler = Stalin = Putin. We can see here the work of rus cheap bots.
Типичное российское презрение к геноциду, совершенному собственным народом. Если бы вы спросили о Гитлере и немецких убийствах, ответ был бы простым. Гитлер убил меньше, чем Сталин. Typical Russian disdain for the genocide committed by their own people. If you were to ask about Hitler and the German murders, the answer would be easy. Hitler killed less than Stalin.
Интересным моментом является то, что этот "геноцид" совпал с процессом украинизации, в ходе которого многие люди были вынуждены изучать украинский язык и принимать украинскую культуру. Было бы глупо одновременно воевать с украинцами и одновременно увеличивать их численность, вам не кажется? И, кстати, почему Сталин приказал сократить экспорт зерна в 3 раза и начать импортировать его в 1932 году? Чтобы повысить эффективность "геноцида"? Помогло ли это увеличить число жертв "геноцида" или уменьшить его? An interesting point is that this "genocide" coincided with the process of Ukrainization, during which many people were forced to learn the Ukrainian language and accept Ukrainian culture. It would be stupid to fight the Ukrainians at the same time and increase their numbers at the same time, don't you think? And by the way, why did Stalin order to reduce grain exports by 3 times and start importing it in 1932? To increase the effectiveness of the "genocide"? Did it help to increase in the number of victims of the "genocide", or reduce it?
Мой прадед всю жизнь вспоминал Голодомор и он всегда хранил на чердаке маленький мешок зерна кукурузы. Мы никогда его не трогали, так как понимали, что этот страх настолько глубоко сидит, что мы не можем с этим ничего сделать.
как он мог вспоминать именно голодомор если это слово начали использовать только в 90е года? В СССР был голод а голодомор это клоунский показной геноцид придуманный в современной Украине.
@@maestro6458, слово "голодомор" впервые использовали в текущем в значении в 33-ем году в пражской газете "Večerník Práva Lidu". Естественно, по ту сторону границы этого слова не использовали, однако это не мешает чудовищным событиям отпечатываться в памяти переживших, как травматическое явление.
@@maestro6458 мой прадед прожил 95 лет. В 90е он и рассказывал о Голодоморе. Раньше его называли "голод таких-то годов", с уточнением годов. "Придуманный"? серьезно? То есть настолько уже совести нет или правда глаза колет?
Название голодомор и политическое выделение его из общего для нескольких республик в "национальный украинский геноцид" это исключительно выдумка последних 30 лет. Голод был и не один в несколько этапов начиная с 20х годов, но был он много где. @@ribelli99
-как относитесь к голодомору , который Сталин устроил в Украине? -так и мы, русские, тоже тогда с голоду дохли -а как относитесь к Сталину? -Одобряю! Это все, что вам надо знать о русских
Stalin was nothing like Hitler. Nazi Germany was the continuation of Bismark's legacy for a greater Germanic Reich, while Stalin's USSR was a spearhead for 3rd worldism and worldwide communist revolution.
@@plveuk813 You just haven't heard his statements about communism and related events. And the support of anti-Western countries does not mean the presence of neo-Marxism.
We have, even nowadays, spirit of Stalin in the UN. Russia as a permanent member in Security Council with the right to veto anything was forced to be implemented into the Charter of the United Nations by soviet dictator the devil himself. Thats why UN cannot do sh|t..
Ну ещё-бы). Если-бы не бывший российский царский офицер, швед по национальности Маннергейм, Финляндия так легко-бы не отделалась). Что такое финны в Петрозаводске тоже хорошо помнят.
Aleksandr thinks that forbidding people to seek a place where they can find work and food is one of those 'necessary restrictions', so that people in those other regions didn't find out about their suffering, for the sake of their 'not feeling bad', while, all the same he says 'he's not into reppressions and restrictions'. But to be forced into starvation in their millions for the peace of mind of the 'other regions', that's OK. Mad.
It's just using 5 year old psyche of average Russian. If you deny food to someone, he might die "of natural causes". You, the perpetrator, have no sin on you, as you just deny access. You, just as some guy pouring zyklon b into chamber.
It’s a pity that many people don’t know about the famine in Kazakhstan. There was famine not only in the 30s, but in the 20s. Kazakhs lost 50% of their population.
@@maestro6458 You're right. How could there have been people living in the area before Kazakhstan arose? There could therefore have been no famine as there was no-one there who could have starved.
Imagine Germans being asked about their opinion about the millions that starved to death in concentration camps and their answer would be: "What happened is what happened. It could have been worse..." These old people have had their brains washed so hard they forgot that they have a heart.
They are not brainwashed. This is essentially who they are. Explore Russian history. Russians were always like that. The old Russians saying: “ We don’t want to live better. We want everyone around live worse than us.” And this is what they are doing…
Sadly, you will definitely find these kind of people. And as a German in his late 30s, i fear that it is somewhere between 20-30%. A common (30%) opinion is: why should i care, i didn’t do it, and it happened so long ago.
Soon, what will happen to Russia will happen, but it absolutely will happen as a result of the attitudes and statements you hear in this video which are not isolated but rather representative of the psychology of Russian society. In psychological terms Russia is the narcissist nation - never taking responsibility, playing the victim while being the bully, gas lighting, manipulative, completely lacking empathy, and ignoring reality.
@@carelgoodheir692 Sure, but I'd say that this guy wasn't somewhere in a village 100 miles from Moscow, but in a dense populated urban area in some city.
"Russia is the perfect case study for western psychology students about the effectiveness of brain washing" - at least 80% of Western students are brainwashed.
Russia is the perfect case study for wanna-be tyrants, they have the easiest job in the world, people are scarinly indifferent to other peoples suffering, this make me sick
the democrats and mainstream media in the USA is doing the same type of brainwashing today, even still as their country falls apart many still support the destructive policies of the democrats because of brainwashing and media lies. i recently saw where their govt released the true videos of the so called "insurgency" on their capitol building and it revealed it all as a farce put out by democrats and media, even with this proof many refuse to face the truth.😵💫 the whole free world weeps for our american friends right now. even our news we can see whats happening there.😭
In Italy we have a meme to describe those crazy people who are still nostalgic of Mussolini and his fascist regime that brought us to WW2 with Hitler and applied racial laws in the country. We say, to make fun of them, that such people say: "Yes, but he also did good things!". We mock those people because everyone knows that there's nothing a human can do to be excused from such inhumane crimes. Well, it seems that there are many people like this in Russia, applying this very logic to Stalin and communism instead. I really think that russian society, as a whole, needs to reflect upon the fact that in a normal country public opinion should see these guys as extremists and that upholding such indecent political stances can only be made fun of. In Russia, instead, it seems to be normal.
what are you talking about, you literally elected a far-right party, many members of which celebrated Benito Mussolini with fascist memorabilia in some local offices, with members of Mussolini family being members of the party. Yeah of course you mock those crazy people sooo much in Italy.
It is. They like it like that. And even so you are Russian if you have opinions in Russia you are enemy of the people. Problem is in general population who think like this. If you have not been in post socialistic countries long enough you don’t know but this stupidity is widespread phenomenon. That is the reason I am not living in Slovakia last 14 years. You can not win their hearts, minds, nothing they will just wait until you complete burn out. Whole population think in core like mafia. Crazy isn’t it? I know my experiences well. I felt like in prison all my life before I went away.
The wickedness and immorality of a human being that desires death of another through starvation, or some who said that causing death by starvation is a necessary measure with a grin on their face, is shockingly absurd! Where did people loose their values, conscience, and virtues? 😟😟
The Mongols raped whatever human values Russia had before out of them, and did it for 250 years. They never recovered from the devilry delivered to them in those times, and dealt it back to all their neighbors throughout history since.
You're trying to use the measures of the West. This is a mistake. Russia borrowed the concepts of law, public authority and human rights from the Mongols.
The "enemy of the people (nation)" is a verbal master key, which can mean anyone whom the authorities fear or simply don't like. In this case, they were individual farmers who did not want to give up their land and create collective farms.
Everybody can become enemy of the people if there is only one person who decides who deserves to be called one. And enough servile cowards ready to believe what they are said. support the narrative as well as enough manipulated people ready to believe what is safe to believe. The great terror was a tragedy but it can appear everywhere in the world, Russia (rebranded as Soviet Union at the time) was a place of giant social experiment. An experiment where life of an individual was depraved of value and actually worthless. It is a tragedy that many contemporary Russians accept those events as an unavoidable necessity instead to condemn what happened then.
@@victorhopper6774 Excuses? The Holodomor was an artificially created famine specifically targeting specific areas where mostly Ukrainians lived! Ukrainians did not just live in Ukraine but also in Kuban', the Volga region and northern Kazakhstan. Stalin had the NKVD go and search all of the houses to remove and or destroy anything edible that they could find! Grain was PURPOSEFULLY dumped on the world market causing a price drop. Humanitarian aid from other countries was REFUSED! Grain in silos was GUARDED and left to ROT! Do you also deny the Holocaust? (central planning?)--YOU are SICK and TWISTED! BTW: Hitler and Stalin were allies when they BOTH attacked Poland in 1939 to start WW2.
My great grandfather was orphaned by the holodomor. He was what the germans later refered to as "volksdeutsch." His family bore a german surname but had lived in ukraine in the dniepr region as farmers since the time of katherine the great. The official cause of death was always "typhus." My grandma was a little girl in the 40s in dnipropetrovsk and she describes a similar period of extreme hunger leading up to the german invasion which is ultimately was secured my family's escape and survival from ukraine. Unfortunately not all of my family survived. My grandmothers youngest sister starved to death as they traversed western ukraine on foot to be taken by cattle car into poland and finally were relocated with distant relatives in Bavaria.
You know. I'm wouldn't deny atrocities that happened under Stalin rule. And I wish condolences for you whole family. But I have a genuine question. What's definition of genocide according to UN?
Is nothing new that many people use "genocide" and other kind of BIG words in order to shut down any possibility of dialog or discussion. Many "new" terms are popping up nowdays, carefully crafted by fascists and used by cowards (e.g.: "Islamophobia").
@@reytop5064 Article 2 of the "Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. Adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations on 9 December 1948" "In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (4) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; {c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
My condolences for the loss of your family. Family stories from that time are often so incredibly sad, but they still remind us today that we should never go down certain paths again. Thank you for sharing this story with us! -Best wishes from Germany.
@@panroman4817 Exactly true--I also thought that they were just ignorant---But you are correct--They ALL know, but have made a Faustian bargain!--To sell their souls!
often times we see the same ignorance and brainwashing in american democrts of america , its sad to see how far our american friends have fallen in the past 4 years. oddly enough in america it seems its the young that are the brainwashed and the old still think with their own heads. maybe due to tic toc and chinese infiltration of american media the young watch, or from brainwashing in their anti american culture of their colleges.
if you thought with your head, maybe you would question "what if this channel is provocative, maybe I am deceived and not getting full truth?". who prevents this guys to put in this video only answers they like?
Ukraine has monopolised the disaster that was a famine and rebranded it to the holodomor to be their own holocaust. The famine struck from Ukraine through southern Russia and into Kazakhstan. No one of course talks about the Russians and Kazakhs who died.
Imagine asking a german guy in Berlin if he thinks that Hitler is responsible for millions of dead people and he answers you: ''Well, there were mistakes in his politics''
many people think so, although they are afraid to speak out, it is quite paradoxical that often Hitler’s fans are found not among the germans, but russians, poles, ukrainians, and balts who suffered from his policies
Imagine asking an American in Washington if he thinks Roosevelt is responsible for racial segregation, and he answers you, "Well, there were mistakes in his policies."
Ukraine has monopolised the disaster that was a famine and rebranded it to the holodomor to be their own holocaust. The famine struck from Ukraine through southern Russia and into Kazakhstan. No one of course talks about the Russians and Kazakhs who died. The Ukrainian narrative that the famine was directed against Ukrainians holds no water and is Ukrainian myth making. Ukraine is a nation borne out of hatred and the hatred is killing Ukraine right now.
Хорошая реакция нормальных людей на перестроечную ложь 80ых. Мы помним, какое г*вно хлынуло с Запада со всеми этими самиздатовскими переводами и прочим шлаком. Считаю совершенно моральным то, что Сталин поедал младенцев на завтрак.
@@bsod111 According to Ukrainian Nationalists, the famine affected or rather was consciously directed almost exclusively against ethnic Ukrainians. Indeed, The Black Deeds of the Kremlin openly states as much, and would have us believe that other nationalities were unaffected and eating normally. 26 The scope of the hardships is chauvinistically restricted, distorted, and politically manipulated. Other nationalities who suffered Russians, Turkmen, Kazakhs, Caucasus groups - are usually ignored, or if mentioned at all are done so almost reluctantly in passing. It is as though the Nationalists' xenophobic horror stories can tolerate no competitors. Bolshevik "Russians" are pitted against "pure" Ukrainians. In breathtaking verbal sorties at times unsurpassed outside Nazi literary circles, we are told: "This whole monstrous horde of Russian Communists, like a pack of beasts of prey, threw itself on an already impoverished and plundered Ukraine."
After the WW2, my great grandfather was sent by Stalin's order from Bessarabia (1.5h by car from Odesa) to Siberia for hard work for uranium mining just because he was Bulgarian. He returned 10 years later and died from cancer soon after that. His two sisters died from hunger during another famine in 1946-1947.
Really? we dont cry about this..In 2022 all western countries try to made in Russia collapse , so our kids died from hunger.Annnndds.. all western politics said all Russian people pay their price for Putins politics. Nowadays.its not Stalin . YOU TRY TO DO THIS NOWADAYs , western countries do it with others weak countries.
@@panroman4817 It's an incredibly vicious cycle. We thought that it was broken in 1989-91, as it was for the captive nations of eastern Europe, and that a free russia had a bright future ahead of it. We have been proven wrong.
"It could have been worse". Äh what? The strangest thing in russia is this absolute cold blooded manner of the people confronted with mass murder................
You think the 18 year old student has sense, then he starts praising Stalin's constitution as if this was not a a piece of glorified toilet paper but something that had real legal value. I despair of there being any hope for this society. And I spent years living there, not just seeing it through these vids.
@anoutsiderinsiderussia My experience is boomers who have come over fleeing "liberalism" will never get it, but more or less normal persons who just thought Russia was a fascinating place will get un-fascinated at a certain point. As for me, I basically did come for that former reason, but being younger I guess I was more open to letting experience alter my views. I still have time to make a change. If you come over when you are 50 or 60, you will stubbornly refuse to admit you put all your eggs in the wrong basket.
Free University education ? Free healthcare ? That's AGITPROP, this is COMMUNIST propoganda, a society cannot function if a person doesn't have $40000000 debt from attending an appointment or going to college
Это отчасти часть нашего мировоззрение. Это проявляется сейчас особенно в политике РПЦ. Прям как 9 веков назад, в начале Татаро-монгольского ига, все деятели Православной Церкви, писали что это "Божье Наказание", за разврат что творился все предыдущие года. Теперь РПЦ это продвигает в отношении Великой Отечественной Войны. Так что не удивительно...
Canada recognized the "Holodomar" as genocide in 2008 and created the Holodimar Memorial Day as the 4th Saturday of November. My ancestors in Ireland suffered the "Great Hunger"(potato famine, was the blight on the potatoes ,which was their main sustenance as all other crops were sent to England) Millions died and many emigrated.
Genocide is a criminal offense, but not a single Canadian court has considered this issue. Decisions made by parliament are simply a political action and have no legal consequences
I never stopping get chocked by the answeres to the people. Deep inside, they mostly axcept the rulers bad acts against their own inhabitants. How much HOPE is there for this nation to become a part of a normal sosiety?? Very very small, this will take generations, sadly.
I'm Russian who left the country right after the start of the war, and it's a very special feeling when you hear a 75yo Sergay says that I'm an "Enemy of the state" because I just merely left to another country and that there millions of such people
Ничего страшного, ты не русский, главное куда укатился там и оставайся, не возвращайся когда об тебя ноги будут вытирать называя вонючей русней и облагая тебя налогом за рускость.
18 years old Sergey says that the Soviet constitution from 1937 was one of the most democratic costitutions of that time. Is he insane ? Constitution or plain laws had no meaning in USSR, did not offer any protection for citizens, when the authorities simply shot people at will. :-(
His own constitution is not providing basic free speech rights today. Call it a war, go to jail. Talk about Jesus on the street, go jail. Russia is fuukkkeed
What about famine in Volga region in 20th, in Southern Siberia, Kazakhstan famine in 30th ? about famine in 1946-47 in many soviet regions of RSFSR , nobody cares ? About permanent shortage of goods in slavic republics? talk only about poor, poor ukrainians ?
@@nasterfireguy4467 ah yes, kids, and their notable quality of deeply understanding policies of national government. However you want to try and dress it up, the guy is regurgitating the revisionist stalin-good-times on the state controlled tv.
Ukraine has monopolised the disaster that was a famine and rebranded it to the holodomor to be their own holocaust. The famine struck from Ukraine through southern Russia and into Kazakhstan. No one of course talks about the Russians and Kazakhs who died. The Ukrainian narrative that the famine was directed against Ukrainians holds no water and is Ukrainian myth making. Ukraine is a nation borne out of hatred and the hatred is killing Ukraine right now.
through the looking glass, these ruzzians seem to keep descending further and further with each passing day. thank you 1420 for providing us with these stunning interviews !
@@phild3936 just a few wandering relics who drift in and out of swearing and nap time... but yeah, we need to keep an eye on the ones with present day connections to those in power.
I'm from Ukraine. My grandmother survived the famine and told the horrors of those times, the main reason for the famine was not the crop failure, but the fact that the communists went and took the harvest every last bit, even tearing up the floors in the houses to find the hidden grain. People were starving, the cities were emptied, everyone moved to the village where there was at least some chance of survival. And the most terrible grain was then exported.
Я из России, но все мои родственники из Украины. Довольно блювотно слушать, как люди в видео оправдывают или отрицают голодомор, хотя он был и в России и в Казахстане. Все мои родственники ненавидят сталинский период правления, так как на селе это было самое голодное время. Только Маленков помог крестьянам, ослабив колхозы и начав развивать лёгкую промышленность, однако кукурузник все вернул.
Моя прабабка так же с голода пухла в Туле. Поэтому в Москву двинули всей семьëй, есть нечего было. Не приписывайте себе все несчастья. Лично вас никто не травил и морил на Украине. В любом случае, кто это делал? Грузин Сталин? Хохол Хрущëв? Не складывается паззл в слово "голодомор украинского народа" ну никак.
There wasn't a planned genocide: 1) There was typhus epidemic, 2) A civil war which led the kulaks to sabotaged their own harvest and killed their own cattle, 3) William Randolph Hearst printed the first article using pictures from 22' famine and later nazi used the same pics over and over as propaganda
They all seem so happy with their lives and history. Long may it continue for them as they become more isolated and their government take even more funds for the military. Sadly they think the rest of the world is in envy. What a crazy bunch.
Sixteen countries recognize the Holodomor as genocide. The fact that the socialist farming methods failed in the Soviet Union by eliminating independent kulak farmers to state run farms in 1929. This led to poor soil management. Then the need to feed industrial workers in Russia's major cities. Finally, Joseph Stalin's plan to implement a grab and go mission led to mass starvation. This isn't a confusing mystery of bad weather leading to starving millions and if you need more proof, a similar event occured in NK in the early 90's with millions of NK people starving due to heavy rains with an evil incompetent government doing nothing but taking from peasant farmers while the South Korea people were resilient and uneffected by a season of less than ideal weather.
@ captlazer, great comment, same thing is about to happen again on a world wide scale, but this time the people will see its biblical leading to the return of the real King and Saviour, Jesus Christ
According to Ukrainian Nationalists, the famine affected or rather was consciously directed almost exclusively against ethnic Ukrainians. Indeed, The Black Deeds of the Kremlin openly states as much, and would have us believe that other nationalities were unaffected and eating normally. 26 The scope of the hardships is chauvinistically restricted, distorted, and politically manipulated. Other nationalities who suffered Russians, Turkmen, Kazakhs, Caucasus groups - are usually ignored, or if mentioned at all are done so almost reluctantly in passing. It is as though the Nationalists' xenophobic horror stories can tolerate no competitors. Bolshevik "Russians" are pitted against "pure" Ukrainians. In breathtaking verbal sorties at times unsurpassed outside Nazi literary circles, we are told: "This whole monstrous horde of Russian Communists, like a pack of beasts of prey, threw itself on an already impoverished and plundered Ukraine."
@@vonmuller7007 according to us ukrainians a slightly bad crop year was weaponized against villages and people that didn't want to give up their property for collectivization and were revolting all the time, so soviets closed off whole villages, took every bit of food they could find, forcing them to stay there starving, they did the same to kazakhs, who were nomads and not very keen on collective farms, so they took their horses and forced 50% of kazakh population to die of starvation tell me what was the purpose of taking rotten potatoes from homes, which could not be sold or consumed, other than just take the food? people cooked only at night, so that the smoke from their house couldn't be seen, so soviets wouldn't know they had some food. This famine was purposefully used to punish people of various ethnicities for their unwillingness to join collective farms, but some of those ethnicities were killed disproportionately, like ukrainians or like kazakhs, so we argue that there was also an ethnic cleansing motive in there.
@@polinaporechna2008 "The scope of the hardships is chauvinistically restricted, distorted, and politically manipulated. Other nationalities who suffered Russians, Turkmen, Kazakhs, Caucasus groups - are usually ignored, or if mentioned at all are done so almost reluctantly in passing. It is as though the Nationalists' xenophobic horror stories can tolerate no competitors. " But why would Russia go after the second largest people it considers its own people?
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Bydlo nation has Embassy in US. Why?
Who controls the past,’ ran the Party slogan, ‘controls the future: who controls the present controls the past
@@dassboards5653 Oh, you're talking about the USA. I didn’t immediately understand when I remembered how many millions of Indians the Americans killed in their country and the fact that they are now being kept on reservations.
The period of glasnost and perestroika opened up a lot of information.
1 Lenin repeatedly Order the Execution of batches of 10,000 to20,000 Small Ukrainian Farmers (8-20 employees) called Kulacks. They weren't guilty of any specifric crime he just didn't like these farmers as a class of people.
2 Stalin Continued the Mass Murders.
3 Farms were collectivized under Kolkoz and Sovkoz. These were extremely inefficient and had low productivity and were generally incompetently run.
4 Some peasants were allowed to run small plots of land and some had retained land.
5 Food was confiscated from Ukraine leading to the deaths of 4 million Ukrainians in Ukraine and another 600,000 Ukrainians in Kazakhstan on top of 1 million kazahaks.
6 The food was not just exported to Moscow but exported to earn foreign exchange to drive Stalin's Industrialization plans.
7 Stashes of survival grain were confiscated by Torture. The "Cold Method" involved stripping the women (an act of terror) and making them walks in the snow till they or their men revealed hidden grains. The Hot method involved dousing the hem of the skirt in petrol and igniting it.
8 Moscow was in control of Ukraine. Russia had yet again taken Ukrainians short lived 1919 independence away from it.
9 Moscow had banned the teaching of Ukrainians until 1905. Programs of Russification existed and immigration/emigration was used to dilute.
@@williamzk9083 Забавно, в начале 30ых, председателя колхоза (дядя моего папы) тоже расстреляли, а он не казах и не украинец был, а русский, живший в КБР. Трагедия была, но смешно, как украинцы её приватизируют и считают, что эта беда исключительно произошла лишь с украинцами....
I am uncertain who are the most evil; those that caused this wholly unnecessary disaster or those who deny its occurrence.
Those who caused it. I’m not defending denialism but these are ordinary folks with let’s say, less than stellar education in history.
Interesting cases! It is really impossible to deny the Holodomor. It was a crime of the Bolshevik Party led by Stalin. Eastern Ukraine suffered the most. But now Ukrainians blame for this certainly Russian and entire Russia as a state, consciously forgetting that millions of Russians also suffered from the Holodomor both in Ukraine and in Russia, as well as in Kazakhstan.
Russians, for their part, may well recall to Ukrainians the fact that it was people born in villages and cities of Eastern Ukraine who were the mainstay of the Stalinist regime in the army and the NKVD, the main contingent of guards in the GULAG. But I have never met Russians who would blame Ukrainians for this.
This is such a primitive, deceitful, hypocritical, anti-Russian propaganda of double standards.
@@andreaswiklund7197 You do not need to have education to know that war is bad. Lack of decision is also a decision.
@@СергейБулкин-ъ1и what you miss is that the starving was done because the food was shipped away from these areas by force. very much like how the irish starved while under british rule. just what happens when evil gets in power. it is what it is. even the good rulers become corrupted after enough time.
Imho: Those who caused it. Because those who deny it have a theoretical chance of not making a new one possible.
But if it were to happen again, the guilt of the deniers would be added to the atrocity. A kind of diabolic gamble for the deniers.
Either way, both remain dishonorable.
(Of course, it is better to deal with the story as honestly as possible before making a statement).
These people are willfully ignorant of the evil of their forefathers.
Ukraine has monopolised the disaster that was a famine and rebranded it to the holodomor to be their own holocaust. The famine struck from Ukraine through southern Russia and into Kazakhstan. No one of course talks about the Russians and Kazakhs who died. The Ukrainian narrative that the famine was directed against Ukrainians holds no water and is Ukrainian myth making. Ukraine is a nation borne out of hatred and the hatred is killing Ukraine right now.
In Russia you are either in prison, or a prison guard. Prisoners did not procreate. Get it?
Many of their forefathers starved to death under Stalin or lie slain in foregin countries, but what do they know or care
Imagine if Germans when asked about hitler and holocoust, answered that it was all well and right, because there was discipline..
@schrodingerskatze2162 what?
The Dust Bowl happened in America. The early 30s were a period of heavy drought in the whole World. The National Mitigation of Droughts of the US extensively wrote about this. @@VilkatisJanis
@schrodingerskatze2162 got it.. everyone dumb, except you, cause russia never wrong.
@@matheusaguiar6382 so?
@@matheusaguiar6382 The whole world?????
As far as I know, Holodomor happened in Ukraine, as Stalin seized all their food and that ended up in famine and million Ukrainians died.
This is just a lie.
@@thepeopleslibrary8673 According to Russian scientists, demographic losses in 1932-33 due to a decrease in the birth rate, exacerbation of diseases associated with famine, deportations, and repressions amounted to 3.5 - 7 million people in Ukraine, in Kazakhstan - 1.3 million people, Volga region - 0.4 million people, in the North Caucasus - 1 million people, in other areas - 1 million people
The conservative estimate is that every 10th died from hunger, and a lot of who survived were severely malnourished. Also hunger affected disproportionately kids and elderly
Thousands? Millions*
Millions*
People simultaneously say how good it was in the Soviet Union and that asking about an event from a state that no longer exists is a provocation. Yes, yes, you can see how it really was in the Soviet Union.
In Soviet Union the kindergardens were free, every summer all kids went to summer camps , free medicine, free education, families get free apartment ( my parents get for free 4rooms appartment in 90s ). Free meals at schools. Free after school activities for kids and adults. Enjoy 😂😂😂
@@tatianarusmade336 Nothing is free. All your schools, clubs and camps are paid for with taxes. As for the apartments, it’s just luck that the USSR collapsed and no one bothered about what to do with them now, and now you are full-fledged owners of these apartments, and not like in the USSR, when this apartment belonged to the state, and you didn’t had the right to fully own it, redeem it, etc.
@@youngblood7191 , but in every country people pay taxes .🤣but dont get anything back. In USA people pay taxes alot, and pay for everything.There money go for wars .
@@tatianarusmade336 and everyone was poor except communist hierarchy
@@tatianarusmade336 you are wrong kid.bet you werent even born in soviet era
There is such astounding shallowness in some people.
Jeez, we have numerous instances of praise for genocide here, Jeez... 😱
They like genocide in Russia as long as they have order. Like Germany had genocide and order in the 1930s and early 1940s.
This shouldn't shock you anymore.
At 3.39 a young man says that the constitution Stalin gave Russia in '37 was one of the most democratic of all times. Comprehension of reality is not Russia's strong point!
I've just quickly read through the Wikipedia entry about the 1936 Constitution of the Soviet Union which presumably officially came into operation in 1937. In fact, it is very democratic, guaranteeing amongst other things free speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of religion. I suppose the real problem is that the state adopted the Constitution and then ignored it completely.
@@marijo1951 А есть ли доказательства игнорирования? По моим сведениям все перечисленные вами положения исполнялись в полном объёме. И лишь единицы уголовников говорят, что в их отношении это не исполнялось, хотя их осуждали совсем по иным делам. Вполне возможно, что они были так же плохи и в остальных сторонах.
Here a woke example of ignorance. Talking by the ear.
By that logic certain mr H in Germany was also a great statesman, there was order but some mistakes were made. 🤦🏻
Russian NKVD trained Gestapo in capturing and torturing polish guérilla fighters on the occupied territory. The training included instructions on using terror on civilians to elicit response from the guérillas. Sounds familiar. Nothing changed in russia.
@@kroolis77
Hitler saw that the the world barely reacted to the Holodomor, and so would also ignore the Holocaust!
Ну так правда. Его же не любят не потому что он убивал граждан СССР, а потому что он этому самому СССР проиграл
For once a very depressing vox pop by Daniil. Depressing that so many people, of all ages but particularly the more elderly, either deny what happened or make excuses for it and for the evil man who was responsible for it all. God help us.
Was the evil man Russian?
@@mitchyoung93 Were the people who put him in charge Russian?
Yeah, it's like watching an upside-down mirror world. For fuck's sake, Stalin's single-handedly decided policies had either killed or displaced millions of people before the second world war even started. I know many of these russians don't care what happened with Ukrainians, Kazachs, Poles, Jews, Georgians, Karelians, etc...
But shouldn't they at least remember the Great Purge? When the NKVD just shot more than a million people in the head, and then they also killed those who did the shooting, which kinda makes it even crazier, if you think about living inside such system? Basically every Soviet citizen, regardless of views, nationality, wealth, religion or party affiliation, feared being woken up by a knock on the door and a sack on the head, and they just call it "a mistake" now?!
Just like how they deny or make lame excuses for Putin's barbaric invasion of Ukraine. History repeats itself.
I think other than the old guys, the young people are just saying things to not get in trouble. You can tell with the guy who just randomly said "I support the war". I suppose he could actually support it, but that interaction was very weird.
Like a window to the past we can see how a street interview in 1930s Germany would have been...
Ukraine has monopolised the disaster that was a famine and rebranded it to the holodomor to be their own holocaust. The famine struck from Ukraine through southern Russia and into Kazakhstan. No one of course talks about the Russians and Kazakhs who died. The Ukrainian narrative that the famine was directed against Ukrainians holds no water and is Ukrainian myth making. Ukraine is a nation borne out of hatred and the hatred is killing Ukraine right now.
Accurate remark indeed !
There is newspapers from 1930's explaining how ukranitzation of population in eastern parts of societ ukraine was going. It is unlikely there is anything about Ukraine
That first man was very scary. I had the impression that he'd been involved in some pretty nasty stuff on behalf of the state at some stage in his life...
That's right. Try to imagine if Nazi Germany won and you were on the street interviewing the descendants of the henchmen, the triggermen, the rapists, and torturers. What kind of responses do you think you would get? The crimes of Russia are shocking to the core and the perpetrators and their descendants walk the street of Russia as ordinary citizens. Watch "the Soviet story".
There were two types of people in the Soviet Union--Those that were tortured and suffered(unhappy) and those that supported those doing the torturing (happy).
The 1931 harvest was good. The USSR forced Ukraine to hand over 42 percent of its production. The next harvest was catastrophic. The situation became desperate when the law of the three ears was passed, which imposed sentences of ten years of hard labour for those who stole any state property. And the food belonged to the State. Party activists and Army units moved to Ukraine to requisition the food that peasants were hiding to survive. Stalin created a cordon around Ukraine. Many towns were surrounded by the Police so that no one could leave. And watchtowers were installed. As the famine spread, a campaign of repression was launched against intellectuals, professors, writers, artists, priests, officials... who were imprisoned, sent to work camps, and executed. When the 1937 census gave undesirable figures, the authors were executed and the official statistics were altered. It was with the opening of the archives, after the fall of the USSR in 1991, that the magnitude of the famine began to be confirmed. To all those who surprisingly praise the figure of Stalin and minimise his genocidal character, I would recommend that they read Nikita Khrushchev's speech at the 20th Congress of the CPSU; I'm sure it will teach them something.
Khrushchev lied
Khrushchev didn't claim that the famine in Ukraine was a genocide.
@@nauticalnovice9244 The speech was given on February 25, 1956, at the 20th Congress of the Communist Party held in Moscow, but was not made public until 1988. It had been three years since the death of Stalin, responsible for the death by starvation of more than seven million innocent only between 1932 and 1933 and sending another two million people to the gulag (Soviet concentration camps) between 1935 and 1940, of whom 700,000 were shot without prior trial. In fact, during his entire mandate, it is estimated that he killed more than five million Soviet people, calculating downwards, and Khrushchev thought that the time had come to reveal and condemn, for the first time, those horrible crimes. In 2006, Gorbachev already declared that he was concerned about this phenomenon of the cult of Stalin being present in today's Russia, so much so that a copy of the voluminous text should have been among the objects in the exhibition that the Moscow History Museum inaugurated that same year on the occasion of that important communist conclave, but was later not released to the public. Only the front page of the newspaper "Pravda" was shown with the beginning of the speech, while a short film was projected in which an almost illegible page of the historic report appeared for just over ten seconds. Khrushchev didn't lie, the communist party did.
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@@ahones2255 the Perestroika Deception and New Lies For Old, by Anatoliy Golitysn. False condemnation of Stalin as a tactical move to decieve the West.
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You of course disagree?--Or are YOU one of those that CONDONE the Holodomor?----You are SICK and Twisted!
They can't explain why there was a "bad harvest".
because Russians ate all seeds
Stalin ate all the grain buddy xD
It was a bumper crop--The grain was DUMPED on the international markets and tons rotted in silos with guards preventing people to take it!
Children were shot for picking up even a few grains off of the ground!
@@WangAiHua Damn such a fantastic tale, you should write a romance 🤣
@@karwoski91
Thank you---I see that you like to write fiction!
Russian logic ! The enemy of the people are ourselves the people.
They learned postmodernism since 1917. You know that holodomor was called "food expansion" in ussr 😂 ?
Now you understand that "special military operation" and "negative floating of the ship" has tradition.
These ppl are 5 year old mentally and when bombarded by postmodernism just capitulate. It's too much for them
1:26 “Social guarantees were ensured!”
Unless you happened to be in Ukraine.
Willful ignorance is bliss!
Ukrainan communist party was very strong. They forced people to learn ukranian
Ok Vlad.
No one is going to take your two month old account very seriously.
Just because technology is improving doesn't mean our humanity is." -John Lovell (Warrior poet)
"To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"
Some of these videos turn my stomach. The willful ignorance of these people is astonishing. My grandmother barely survived her exile to Siberia and saw so much misery and death. How was she an enemy of the people at 15 years old? The Russian policy of invasion, plunder, repression, and murder is why most of the world hates their “motherland.”
The west is not most of the world anymore.
Listening to most of these people make me sick to my stomach. You can't help wondering what is wrong with them, that they are so backward and cowardly. Listening to this should make everyone aware of what people are like when oppressed over years and years. That is not humanity.
They are victims of evil outside forces, but at the same time better than others and they have never done anything bad to anyone, nor attacked anyone... They believe this.. that is what is wrong with them..
Thanks for the chuckle. Always get a smile from those comments 😄
@@littlegreenman2014 Really there is nothing funny about it -- not to a Ukrainian whose family has been devastated by Vlad the monster that these people support.
They are not oppressed. They are russians. This is their mentality. It has been like that for many centuries.
Это (отборный материал) за многие поколения!!! Если на росии столетиями искоренялись нормальные,развитые,умные,талантливые,здравомыслящие люди а плодились только вертухаи, энкаведешники и другие аморальные нелюди и убийцы что вы сейчас хотите услышать от их потомков??? Это нелюди....
There was order back then said the man...the order of cemiteries.
The truth is so provocative to those who avoid it.
Old people in Russia are beyond redemption.
1: 53 "Well, there were mistakes" -- the understatement of the video.
Nazi Germany with Hitler was the same like russia with Stalin.
Germany and Germans changed, ruzzia and ruzzians remained the same.
It physically hurts to listen to most of these answers
"Back then, the people were enemies of the people so they had to be dealt with in brutal and inhuman ways. There are more people now who are enemies of the people so we need to unite." ???
Looks like Boris isn't sure, if you're a KGB agent. 😂
Wow!!!!! There’s a Nobel Award for Peace in the making here!!!!!
I am from Mari El republic in Russia. We have holodomor more then in soviet Ukraine republic. In this time, holodomor was in territory now of Ukraine, Russia, Kazahstan
These videos show that you can't undo a lifetime of propaganda fed to people. The future is bleak for any change inn Russsia.
Все нации из бывших республик, якобы такие белые и пушистые и только жертвы. Моего дедушку упек в Гулаг этнический латыш. Латышские стрелки сыграли огромную роль в том, чтобы революция октября 1917 г победила, были в охране Ленина, были карателями в 1918, 19 году по отношению к русскому населению.
так может не надо было соваться в эти "бывшие республики"? вот объясни мне - зачем советское руководство полезло везде и всюду? притом что в самой стране люди до сих пор в халупах спят?
@@arathortizs28445Это латыш написал донос в 1938 году. Что делали латышские стрелки при Ленине в 1917, 1918, 1919 в Петрограде и Москве?
@@ОльгаРоманова-б7х чел, ты плохо читаешь? зачем ссср ВООБЩЕ лез во все места, куда не надо? мне вот латвия нафиг не сдалась, как и вся прибалтика с польшей.
@@arathortizs28445Зачем латышские стрелки в 1918 полезли в Россию , Латвия же в 1918 году отделилась
Хлеб отбирали Латыши, китайцы и евреи
Daniil!
I am an American Kulak; successfull in my own "Right" whenever the gov-mink doesn't fek whi' me.
Me ethnicity is Irish.
Just before the 'Merikan un-Civil war, around 1848, the same stealing of the Farmer's food was pulled in Ireland. The thieves called it "the tater famine", yet, of course, the thieves on the throne in englan' STOLE the Irish Folk's crops.
Under force o' military arms.
The People's food is a POWERful weapon.
Rick Bonner
I bet that, after being interviewed, a lot of these people think "I didn't make much sense there."
Ukraine in 2022: due to ruzzian armed invasion, there was a risk of famine in Egypt, Lebanon and other countries etc because ruzzianz attacked exports from Ukraine, there was separate grain deal!!!!
Ukraine in "peaceful" 1933: harvest was so bad that it could not feed even local population
Yeap, i see logic here, ruzzian logic.
You need more subscribers. Well done.
Hello Daniil, could you ask people’s opinion about the stuff going on Finnish border these days. Would be interesting to watch :)
It's one of our upcoming videos 👌
Amazing, the difference in answers from the young to the old.
Older people are smarter
@@andrejjessen7215 Uh, not in russia. Just more deeply indoctrinated.
@@Dumaski young people are statistically the most easy to manipulate and they are more likely to be naive
@@andrejjessen7215 According to, whom? You?
I believe it's VERY difficult for the evil west to be indoctrinating your youngsters! 😆
When your own life is worth nothing, then everybody else's is worth nothing or even less
@3:54 The elderly gentleman Vasiliy has the most educated and nuanced views on this.
The old man is frightened
European Parliament resolution - 15 December 2022 - 90 years after the Holodomor: recognising the mass killing through starvation as genocide
Since when did parliament take over the functions of the court?
3.35 "For example, the constitution of 37 is recognized as one of the most democratic of that time" !!!
The most democratic? Under Stalin ?? Do these guys have the faintest idea of what the year 37 was like in the USSR under Stalin???
These young interviewers are smart. Well done
Even after awful stories told by my grandmother about Holodonor, I still wanted to come to russia, thinking that people had changed. But no. I will tell to my future children about everything, so they won't be like me-naive. So they'll learn all the lessons from history rather than from personal experience.
A possible question you could ask some Russian people for a video is: How do you feel about Putin officially pardoning many brutal criminals and murderers who participated in the war against Ukraine? You could also provide some background information about those criminals and the atrocities they committed while posing the question. It seems that there has been a lot of news about it recently.
talk about being brainwashed!!
You mean yourself? Historia Publica is a channel that will go through evidence by evidence, he's a historian who will deal with Material Evidence and Photographic evidence. His channel is in Portuguese, but subtitles are in English.
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No, they are not brainwashed, they are monsters and maniacs.
Ignorance is strength.
Ah yeah... keep throwing these 1984 quotes 🤪
«LiTeRalLy 1984» kids
@@Michael-ev6en What do you want to achieve?
@@amaruaraneda you are banal
Obviously, it's up to the "gracious Russians" to translate mere essentials and magnanimously bestow them upon their less fortunate compatriots.
Russian here. 'holodomor' indeed happened in USSR in 1930-x but it happened not only in Ukraine. In 'povolzh'ie'(Поволжье) region millions died as well. My grand grand mother barely survived it with her small children. Bolsheviks came to her village and took away her new house. They almost sent her to Siberia for being 'kulak' but eventually let her live with her three kids in a wooden cabin(imagine enjoying it in Russian winter). She hated communists till her last day. As much I support Ukraine's independence, I have to say that Ukrainian narrative presents 'holodomor' being directed specifically on them which is false. Stalin never cared about Soviet people or any people for that matter.
Yes, but you're messing up the terminology. The Holodomor was the Ukrainian part of the so-called Soviet famine of 1930-1933. So yes, there was a famine in all of the USSR, and Stalin didn't direct it at any peoples in particular, but the term "Holodomor" is used specifically for Ukraine's famine at the same time
Yes, this was class warfare -- it was directed at the destruction of an economic class (real or imagined) and not at a specific ethnicity. The only difference between Nazis and Communists is the former killed based on race and the latter based on economic standing.
Thanks for pointing this out, not sure though if it changes anything. All Soviet republics suffered to some degree. Moscow and St Petersburg regions were the least affected ones I believe. Small regions with ethnic minorities suffered the most. I'm from Chuvashia republic and can tell you that Chuvash people suffered as much as Ukrainian people did. Again, I'm absolutely against the war and want Ukraine to chose its own way and prosper. Also, I understand why Ukrainians push this narrative and can't blame them. I just want everyone(westerners I mean) to understand that not only Ukraine suffered from that famine no matter how you call it. Have a great day!@@antoinepetrov
@@iggipob Thanks, I understand your point of view. It's great to see such a reasonable Russian. Have a great day too!
@@iggipobIt’s not that Ukrainians were they only ones who starved, it’s that they were disproportionately worse off than other people in the USSR.
However, I’m sure other minorities were treated very poorly too since that’s still the case now in regards to the war and who is being sent to die in Ukraine.
Great and daring question. The responses were mostly scary. People seem to be settling in to the ebb and flow of the propaganda.
My god such despicable people.
Stop sending those refugees with bicycles here
There is a movie "Bitter Harvest" by Canadian director George Mendeluk. It's a biography of his grandfather who managed to escape form Ukraine to Canada. Before starting filming, he researched this topic for 8 years. If you want to have an idea what happened during Holodomor, you should watch that movie.
@@Maria_Nizhny_Novgorod Account under the nick "Мария Пономарёва" wants to know if he was a Nazi. Do you think this account is a rushist, chauvinist, and imperial?
Никогда не спрашивай немца почему его родственники в Аргентине и никогда не спрашивай украинца почему его родственники в Канаде
@Invervinus This comes from an account who left here a comment that he likes the soviet union of stalin's times. Hitler = Stalin = Putin. We can see here the work of rus cheap bots.
The denial is sadly strong in these people 😢
Типичное российское презрение к геноциду, совершенному собственным народом. Если бы вы спросили о Гитлере и немецких убийствах, ответ был бы простым. Гитлер убил меньше, чем Сталин.
Typical Russian disdain for the genocide committed by their own people. If you were to ask about Hitler and the German murders, the answer would be easy. Hitler killed less than Stalin.
Интересным моментом является то, что этот "геноцид" совпал с процессом украинизации, в ходе которого многие люди были вынуждены изучать украинский язык и принимать украинскую культуру. Было бы глупо одновременно воевать с украинцами и одновременно увеличивать их численность, вам не кажется? И, кстати, почему Сталин приказал сократить экспорт зерна в 3 раза и начать импортировать его в 1932 году? Чтобы повысить эффективность "геноцида"? Помогло ли это увеличить число жертв "геноцида" или уменьшить его?
An interesting point is that this "genocide" coincided with the process of Ukrainization, during which many people were forced to learn the Ukrainian language and accept Ukrainian culture. It would be stupid to fight the Ukrainians at the same time and increase their numbers at the same time, don't you think? And by the way, why did Stalin order to reduce grain exports by 3 times and start importing it in 1932? To increase the effectiveness of the "genocide"? Did it help to increase in the number of victims of the "genocide", or reduce it?
Мой прадед всю жизнь вспоминал Голодомор и он всегда хранил на чердаке маленький мешок зерна кукурузы. Мы никогда его не трогали, так как понимали, что этот страх настолько глубоко сидит, что мы не можем с этим ничего сделать.
как он мог вспоминать именно голодомор если это слово начали использовать только в 90е года? В СССР был голод а голодомор это клоунский показной геноцид придуманный в современной Украине.
@@maestro6458это реальный геноцид, а ты промытый пропагандист
@@maestro6458, слово "голодомор" впервые использовали в текущем в значении в 33-ем году в пражской газете "Večerník Práva Lidu". Естественно, по ту сторону границы этого слова не использовали, однако это не мешает чудовищным событиям отпечатываться в памяти переживших, как травматическое явление.
@@maestro6458 мой прадед прожил 95 лет. В 90е он и рассказывал о Голодоморе. Раньше его называли "голод таких-то годов", с уточнением годов. "Придуманный"? серьезно? То есть настолько уже совести нет или правда глаза колет?
Название голодомор и политическое выделение его из общего для нескольких республик в "национальный украинский геноцид" это исключительно выдумка последних 30 лет.
Голод был и не один в несколько этапов начиная с 20х годов, но был он много где. @@ribelli99
-как относитесь к голодомору , который Сталин устроил в Украине?
-так и мы, русские, тоже тогда с голоду дохли
-а как относитесь к Сталину?
-Одобряю!
Это все, что вам надо знать о русских
Stalin was a different Hitler, he just were never judged for his actions. And the biggest Problem is, that Putin is a fanboy of him.
Stalin was nothing like Hitler. Nazi Germany was the continuation of Bismark's legacy for a greater Germanic Reich, while Stalin's USSR was a spearhead for 3rd worldism and worldwide communist revolution.
Putin is anticommunist and conservative.
@user-lr8vi4gb1e No. Putin is a 3rd worldist neo-marxist who aligns with anti-western and socialist states.
@@plveuk813 You just haven't heard his statements about communism and related events. And the support of anti-Western countries does not mean the presence of neo-Marxism.
We have, even nowadays, spirit of Stalin in the UN. Russia as a permanent member in Security Council with the right to veto anything was forced to be implemented into the Charter of the United Nations by soviet dictator the devil himself. Thats why UN cannot do sh|t..
We Finns know Stalin very well.. But Putin is not better than him
What is "Finns"?
finnish people of Finland@@thelma-7777
@@thelma-7777Finns as in shark fin
Ну ещё-бы). Если-бы не бывший российский царский офицер, швед по национальности Маннергейм, Финляндия так легко-бы не отделалась). Что такое финны в Петрозаводске тоже хорошо помнят.
@@thelma-7777 has been identified as a russian bot account
Aleksandr thinks that forbidding people to seek a place where they can find work and food is one of those 'necessary restrictions', so that people in those other regions didn't find out about their suffering, for the sake of their 'not feeling bad', while, all the same he says 'he's not into reppressions and restrictions'. But to be forced into starvation in their millions for the peace of mind of the 'other regions', that's OK. Mad.
Russian mental gymnastics never cease to amaze.
Not only mad, this is inhumane, it shows the scale of demoralization of Russian society.
It's just using 5 year old psyche of average Russian. If you deny food to someone, he might die "of natural causes". You, the perpetrator, have no sin on you, as you just deny access. You, just as some guy pouring zyklon b into chamber.
It’s a pity that many people don’t know about the famine in Kazakhstan. There was famine not only in the 30s, but in the 20s. Kazakhs lost 50% of their population.
Hopefully this will soon get more attention, now that Kazakhstan is opening access to Soviet archives.
There could not be a hunger in Kazakhstan because Kazakhstan first appeared in 1936.
@@maestro6458 You're right. How could there have been people living in the area before Kazakhstan arose? There could therefore have been no famine as there was no-one there who could have starved.
@@carelgoodheir692 Notice : Kazakhstan was the ussr`s nuklear & biological proving ground ..... a open air laboratory incl. its peoples!
@@wolfgangemmerich7552The polygon. Maybe not many people know about it.
It is sad how just asking someone’s opinion of historical events is a “provocation”.
It's a sure sign that the Stalin history is still unfolding
Чем вы оправдаете сотрудничество нацистского вермахта и британской армии при уничтожении греческих партизан в 1945 году?
@@karlwalthersomebody sounds a little provoked
@@karlwaltherТы забываешь о планах СССР и нацистов вторгнуться в Польшу?
So you haven't come across wild Ukrainians who are everywhere yelling about the affected Ukraine and looking for a conflict
Imagine Germans being asked about their opinion about the millions that starved to death in concentration camps and their answer would be:
"What happened is what happened. It could have been worse..."
These old people have had their brains washed so hard they forgot that they have a heart.
Good observation
They are not brainwashed. This is essentially who they are. Explore Russian history. Russians were always like that. The old Russians saying: “ We don’t want to live better. We want everyone around live worse than us.” And this is what they are doing…
Sadly, you will definitely find these kind of people.
And as a German in his late 30s, i fear that it is somewhere between 20-30%.
A common (30%) opinion is: why should i care, i didn’t do it, and it happened so long ago.
@@fr3ddyfr3sh And you would be right to say it, no one should feel guilt for something his ancestors allegedly did century ago.
Soon, what will happen to Russia will happen, but it absolutely will happen as a result of the attitudes and statements you hear in this video which are not isolated but rather representative of the psychology of Russian society. In psychological terms Russia is the narcissist nation - never taking responsibility, playing the victim while being the bully, gas lighting, manipulative, completely lacking empathy, and ignoring reality.
Imagine being asked on camera - "Do you know about ____， a US historical event" and then accusing the interviewer of "provocation."
- yes, that old man was particularly unpleasant...
most of them are@@peterwulff469
I can imagine it quite easily. Ask about slavery or the Confederacy in the wrong place and it might well be viewed as provocative.
@@carelgoodheir692 Sure, but I'd say that this guy wasn't somewhere in a village 100 miles from Moscow, but in a dense populated urban area in some city.
@@justaguy-69 What is fascist about them in particular?
Russia is the perfect case study for western psychology students about the effectiveness of brain washing. Baa Baaaaa Baa.
"Russia is the perfect case study for western psychology students about the effectiveness of brain washing" - at least 80% of Western students are brainwashed.
Well there are plenty of trump supporters out there too for a similar study.
Russia is the perfect case study for wanna-be tyrants, they have the easiest job in the world, people are scarinly indifferent to other peoples suffering, this make me sick
@@theiska2508and plenty of Biden supporters as well. Both sides have their zombies
the democrats and mainstream media in the USA is doing the same type of brainwashing today, even still as their country falls apart many still support the destructive policies of the democrats because of brainwashing and media lies.
i recently saw where their govt released the true videos of the so called "insurgency" on their capitol building and it revealed it all as a farce put out by democrats and media, even with this proof many refuse to face the truth.😵💫
the whole free world weeps for our american friends right now. even our news we can see whats happening there.😭
In Italy we have a meme to describe those crazy people who are still nostalgic of Mussolini and his fascist regime that brought us to WW2 with Hitler and applied racial laws in the country. We say, to make fun of them, that such people say: "Yes, but he also did good things!". We mock those people because everyone knows that there's nothing a human can do to be excused from such inhumane crimes.
Well, it seems that there are many people like this in Russia, applying this very logic to Stalin and communism instead. I really think that russian society, as a whole, needs to reflect upon the fact that in a normal country public opinion should see these guys as extremists and that upholding such indecent political stances can only be made fun of. In Russia, instead, it seems to be normal.
Same with some Romanians nostalgic after Ceaușescu...
We have the same scam bags people in Spain and even though people lived miserably under Franco's dictatorship they venerate it and praise it.
Same in Germany with some East German GDR nostalgics…
Learn history and read sometime, it might help you, read Fraud, Famine, and Fascism: the Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard
what are you talking about, you literally elected a far-right party, many members of which celebrated Benito Mussolini with fascist memorabilia in some local offices, with members of Mussolini family being members of the party. Yeah of course you mock those crazy people sooo much in Italy.
Honestly, Russia feels like a lost country.
the problem is they have a dictator with nuclear weapons, and a society of brain washed citizens with delusions of grandeur about their state.
It is. They like it like that. And even so you are Russian if you have opinions in Russia you are enemy of the people. Problem is in general population who think like this. If you have not been in post socialistic countries long enough you don’t know but this stupidity is widespread phenomenon. That is the reason I am not living in Slovakia last 14 years. You can not win their hearts, minds, nothing they will just wait until you complete burn out. Whole population think in core like mafia. Crazy isn’t it? I know my experiences well. I felt like in prison all my life before I went away.
In 10 years your country will be assimilated by the Arabs, should you really care about the fate of Russia?
That was my first thought when russian boots stepped on ukrainian soil february last year. They done.
@@squeakycleannnnis usa also a lost country? Because they invaded a lot of countries in 21 century? Or its doesn't count?😅
The wickedness and immorality of a human being that desires death of another through starvation, or some who said that causing death by starvation is a necessary measure with a grin on their face, is shockingly absurd! Where did people loose their values, conscience, and virtues? 😟😟
Famine has always been a social disaster , the result of natural disasters . There was a tragedy in the USSR that was inherited from tsarist Russia .
The Mongols raped whatever human values Russia had before out of them, and did it for 250 years. They never recovered from the devilry delivered to them in those times, and dealt it back to all their neighbors throughout history since.
This is Russia. The value of human life tends to zero
You're trying to use the measures of the West. This is a mistake. Russia borrowed the concepts of law, public authority and human rights from the Mongols.
Russians never had those values, so they haven't lost them
Last guy is mindblowing
How can you be enemy of the people, if you are the people?
Народ In the Russian language, people are completely different words
The "enemy of the people (nation)" is a verbal master key, which can mean anyone whom the authorities fear or simply don't like. In this case, they were individual farmers who did not want to give up their land and create collective farms.
Orwell: 1984 ...
Everybody can become enemy of the people if there is only one person who decides who deserves to be called one. And enough servile cowards ready to believe what they are said. support the narrative as well as enough manipulated people ready to believe what is safe to believe. The great terror was a tragedy but it can appear everywhere in the world, Russia (rebranded as Soviet Union at the time) was a place of giant social experiment. An experiment where life of an individual was depraved of value and actually worthless.
It is a tragedy that many contemporary Russians accept those events as an unavoidable necessity instead to condemn what happened then.
Don't be naive, stalin had a good idea how to control his sheep and protect his regime at the same time. Enemy of the people was the name of the game.
1:51 Roman "There were mistake" - Calling the deaths of 20 million people "mistakes" is the quintessential russian way of thinking.
And that was only one example of those "mistakes". There was plenty more.
central planning
@@victorhopper6774
Excuses?
The Holodomor was an artificially created famine specifically targeting specific areas where mostly Ukrainians lived!
Ukrainians did not just live in Ukraine but also in Kuban', the Volga region and northern Kazakhstan.
Stalin had the NKVD go and search all of the houses to remove and or destroy anything edible that they could find!
Grain was PURPOSEFULLY dumped on the world market causing a price drop.
Humanitarian aid from other countries was REFUSED!
Grain in silos was GUARDED and left to ROT!
Do you also deny the Holocaust? (central planning?)--YOU are SICK and TWISTED!
BTW: Hitler and Stalin were allies when they BOTH attacked Poland in 1939 to start WW2.
*110
when a typical western way of thinking - after watching one short soc survey video, consider yourself an expert on this topic?
The first older guy shows in his reaction that he know whats happened
My great grandfather was orphaned by the holodomor. He was what the germans later refered to as "volksdeutsch." His family bore a german surname but had lived in ukraine in the dniepr region as farmers since the time of katherine the great. The official cause of death was always "typhus." My grandma was a little girl in the 40s in dnipropetrovsk and she describes a similar period of extreme hunger leading up to the german invasion which is ultimately was secured my family's escape and survival from ukraine. Unfortunately not all of my family survived. My grandmothers youngest sister starved to death as they traversed western ukraine on foot to be taken by cattle car into poland and finally were relocated with distant relatives in Bavaria.
You know. I'm wouldn't deny atrocities that happened under Stalin rule. And I wish condolences for you whole family.
But I have a genuine question. What's definition of genocide according to UN?
Catherine the Great died in 1796.
Is nothing new that many people use "genocide" and other kind of BIG words in order to shut down any possibility of dialog or discussion. Many "new" terms are popping up nowdays, carefully crafted by fascists and used by cowards (e.g.: "Islamophobia").
@@reytop5064 Article 2 of the "Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime
of Genocide. Adopted by the General Assembly of the
United Nations on 9 December 1948"
"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts
committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical,
racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(4) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
{c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to
bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
My condolences for the loss of your family. Family stories from that time are often so incredibly sad, but they still remind us today that we should never go down certain paths again. Thank you for sharing this story with us!
-Best wishes from Germany.
After all these year those old russians still have no idea what world they lived in. So tragic.
They know, they all lie
@@panroman4817
Exactly true--I also thought that they were just ignorant---But you are correct--They ALL know, but have made a Faustian bargain!--To sell their souls!
@@panroman4817 Exactly.
How can people be so brainwashed and so ignorant! Scary. Good to see that some young people can think with their own head.
often times we see the same ignorance and brainwashing in american democrts of america , its sad to see how far our american friends have fallen in the past 4 years.
oddly enough in america it seems its the young that are the brainwashed and the old still think with their own heads. maybe due to tic toc and chinese infiltration of american media the young watch, or from brainwashing in their anti american culture of their colleges.
It is not brainwashing, it is modern russian fascism.
if you thought with your head, maybe you would question "what if this channel is provocative, maybe I am deceived and not getting full truth?". who prevents this guys to put in this video only answers they like?
Ukraine has monopolised the disaster that was a famine and rebranded it to the holodomor to be their own holocaust. The famine struck from Ukraine through southern Russia and into Kazakhstan. No one of course talks about the Russians and Kazakhs who died.
@@ИванПетров-у2в you know too well that these are the common views. Perhaps you can provide an interview with more human answers?
Imagine asking a german guy in Berlin if he thinks that Hitler is responsible for millions of dead people and he answers you: ''Well, there were mistakes in his politics''
many people think so, although they are afraid to speak out, it is quite paradoxical that often Hitler’s fans are found not among the germans, but russians, poles, ukrainians, and balts who suffered from his policies
Imagine you ask a Briton about Churchill's actions in relation to the colonies and he replies, "well, there were mistakes in his policy"
imagine you ask a Japanese about Hirohito's actions in 36-45 years and he refuses to admit that something happened?
Imagine asking an American in Washington if he thinks Roosevelt is responsible for racial segregation, and he answers you, "Well, there were mistakes in his policies."
What do you think about slavery?
Офигеть, старшее поколение совершенно аморально.
Может они просто не фальшивки и не стараются предстать всезнающими людьми для которых все исторически события ясны и разобраны по деталям.
@@vicvasil4397no just brainwashed.
Ukraine has monopolised the disaster that was a famine and rebranded it to the holodomor to be their own holocaust. The famine struck from Ukraine through southern Russia and into Kazakhstan. No one of course talks about the Russians and Kazakhs who died. The Ukrainian narrative that the famine was directed against Ukrainians holds no water and is Ukrainian myth making. Ukraine is a nation borne out of hatred and the hatred is killing Ukraine right now.
Хорошая реакция нормальных людей на перестроечную ложь 80ых. Мы помним, какое г*вно хлынуло с Запада со всеми этими самиздатовскими переводами и прочим шлаком.
Считаю совершенно моральным то, что Сталин поедал младенцев на завтрак.
@@bsod111 According to Ukrainian Nationalists, the famine affected or rather was consciously directed almost exclusively against ethnic Ukrainians. Indeed, The Black Deeds of the Kremlin openly states as much, and would have us believe that other nationalities were unaffected and eating normally. 26 The scope of the hardships is chauvinistically restricted, distorted, and politically manipulated. Other nationalities who suffered Russians, Turkmen, Kazakhs, Caucasus groups - are usually ignored, or if mentioned at all are done so almost reluctantly in passing. It is as though the Nationalists' xenophobic horror stories can tolerate no competitors. Bolshevik "Russians" are pitted against "pure" Ukrainians. In breathtaking verbal sorties at times unsurpassed outside Nazi literary circles, we are told: "This whole monstrous horde of Russian Communists, like a pack of beasts of prey, threw itself on an already impoverished and plundered Ukraine."
After the WW2, my great grandfather was sent by Stalin's order from Bessarabia (1.5h by car from Odesa) to Siberia for hard work for uranium mining just because he was Bulgarian. He returned 10 years later and died from cancer soon after that. His two sisters died from hunger during another famine in 1946-1947.
Well i hope Stalin didn't lose the opportunity to eat what was left of them. Though i heard he liked babies more than adults.
Really? we dont cry about this..In 2022 all western countries try to made in Russia collapse , so our kids died from hunger.Annnndds.. all western politics said all Russian people pay their price for Putins politics. Nowadays.its not Stalin . YOU TRY TO DO THIS NOWADAYs , western countries do it with others weak countries.
Потому что он болгарин. Хахах. Сказки другим будешь заливать. Я хорошо помню на чьей стороне была Болгария в 1940x.
@@tatianarusmade336Huh?😂
"just because he was Bulgarian" And he didn't get drafted into a nazy army, right?)
Thank you for asking this and continuing your work!
The Russian government is like a narcissistic parent who has given birth to many narcissistic children.
Отнюдь, родителем нацистского поколения является советское а то и царское правительство. Путин и его "шайка" не возникли сами по себе.
No, the narcissistic people gave birth to narcissistic government.
@@panroman4817 It's an incredibly vicious cycle. We thought that it was broken in 1989-91, as it was for the captive nations of eastern Europe, and that a free russia had a bright future ahead of it. We have been proven wrong.
Western culture in a nutshell
What kind of human would say these things? Absolutely barbaric.
When Stalin's second wife heard and saw the massive famines and deaths in Ukraine, she took her own life because of it. 😢
"It could have been worse". Äh what? The strangest thing in russia is this absolute cold blooded manner of the people confronted with mass murder................
It could have been worse--they could have cut his pension!
You think the 18 year old student has sense, then he starts praising Stalin's constitution as if this was not a a piece of glorified toilet paper but something that had real legal value. I despair of there being any hope for this society. And I spent years living there, not just seeing it through these vids.
@anoutsiderinsiderussia My experience is boomers who have come over fleeing "liberalism" will never get it, but more or less normal persons who just thought Russia was a fascinating place will get un-fascinated at a certain point. As for me, I basically did come for that former reason, but being younger I guess I was more open to letting experience alter my views. I still have time to make a change. If you come over when you are 50 or 60, you will stubbornly refuse to admit you put all your eggs in the wrong basket.
Ты обиделся, потому что у человека есть своё мнение, и он высказывает то, что думает, а не то что ты хочешь слышать. Так бывает, ты должен это понять
Free University education ? Free healthcare ? That's AGITPROP, this is COMMUNIST propoganda, a society cannot function if a person doesn't have $40000000 debt from attending an appointment or going to college
1:03 "случилось так как должно было случиться" - так говорят только те, кто не столкнулся сам с бедой и у кого отсутствует извилина сочувствия.
Это отчасти часть нашего мировоззрение. Это проявляется сейчас особенно в политике РПЦ. Прям как 9 веков назад, в начале Татаро-монгольского ига, все деятели Православной Церкви, писали что это "Божье Наказание", за разврат что творился все предыдущие года. Теперь РПЦ это продвигает в отношении Великой Отечественной Войны. Так что не удивительно...
Ну типичный срусский
@@sinthorasdishni Вы профили наций по Ломброзо составляете? Есть типичные американцы и украинцы?
@@reytop5064просто срусский
@@andrewgorelik4792 просто.
Canada recognized the "Holodomar" as genocide in 2008 and created the Holodimar Memorial Day as the 4th Saturday of November. My ancestors in Ireland suffered the "Great Hunger"(potato famine, was the blight on the potatoes ,which was their main sustenance as all other crops were sent to England) Millions died and many emigrated.
Genocide is a criminal offense, but not a single Canadian court has considered this issue. Decisions made by parliament are simply a political action and have no legal consequences
Seems like genocied of Russians
The concept of genocide and famine are incompatible .
The potato famine was also from not planting different types of potatoes and planning one type of potato..
Canada recognized nazi in their parliament and builds monuments to them. Hardly a good moral compass.
I never stopping get chocked by the answeres to the people. Deep inside, they mostly axcept the rulers bad acts against their own inhabitants. How much HOPE is there for this nation to become a part of a normal sosiety?? Very very small, this will take generations, sadly.
Their "own" inhabitants?---This is the Muscovian EMPIRE---Their colonials are treated like serfs at best and as ENEMIES at worse!
I'm Russian who left the country right after the start of the war, and it's a very special feeling when you hear a 75yo Sergay says that I'm an "Enemy of the state" because I just merely left to another country and that there millions of such people
did you vote for putin?
Ничего страшного, ты не русский, главное куда укатился там и оставайся, не возвращайся когда об тебя ноги будут вытирать называя вонючей русней и облагая тебя налогом за рускость.
Хм, может потому что ты не знаешь что государство это юридическое понятие? Почитай на досуге, что такое юридическая связь.
"Sergay" lmao
@@kekeezyI mean, it's phonetically more similar to the actual Russian name
18 years old Sergey says that the Soviet constitution from 1937 was one of the most democratic costitutions of that time. Is he insane ? Constitution or plain laws had no meaning in USSR, did not offer any protection for citizens, when the authorities simply shot people at will. :-(
His own constitution is not providing basic free speech rights today. Call it a war, go to jail. Talk about Jesus on the street, go jail. Russia is fuukkkeed
Constitution was the most liberal in theory
@@at_vinta6730
Best toilet paper in the Soviet Union!--At least better than no toilet paper!
@@WangAiHua Для недоумков неумеющих пользоваться документами все документы - туалетная бумага. Обезьянка скок-скок.
it also had a close in there that any republic could leave at any moment, but never provided any tools and processes to do so
What about famine in Volga region in 20th, in Southern Siberia, Kazakhstan famine in 30th ? about famine in 1946-47 in many soviet regions of RSFSR , nobody cares ? About permanent shortage of goods in slavic republics? talk only about poor, poor ukrainians ?
I hope you will start an education campaign to bring this truth to the world. 😎
-Tell me about the Holodomor
-Can't, wasn't alive then
-What do you think of Stalin's policies?
-GREAT (imbicile was also not alive during Stalin)
He basically said it to just get by...
You basically don't understand people
Holodomor was in 30s Stalin lived until 50s he could have very well been a kid under stalin, 20 years after holodomor ended
@@nasterfireguy4467 ah yes, kids, and their notable quality of deeply understanding policies of national government.
However you want to try and dress it up, the guy is regurgitating the revisionist stalin-good-times on the state controlled tv.
The abuser seldomly admits the abuse to his victims.
Ukraine has monopolised the disaster that was a famine and rebranded it to the holodomor to be their own holocaust. The famine struck from Ukraine through southern Russia and into Kazakhstan. No one of course talks about the Russians and Kazakhs who died. The Ukrainian narrative that the famine was directed against Ukrainians holds no water and is Ukrainian myth making. Ukraine is a nation borne out of hatred and the hatred is killing Ukraine right now.
through the looking glass, these ruzzians seem to keep descending further and further with each passing day. thank you 1420 for providing us with these stunning interviews !
It isn't only the 'RuSSians'. The good old USSR still has its admiring quislings in the West too.
@@phild3936 just a few wandering relics who drift in and out of swearing and nap time... but yeah, we need to keep an eye on the ones with present day connections to those in power.
@@phild3936Be sure we will rise again.
I'm from Ukraine. My grandmother survived the famine and told the horrors of those times, the main reason for the famine was not the crop failure, but the fact that the communists went and took the harvest every last bit, even tearing up the floors in the houses to find the hidden grain. People were starving, the cities were emptied, everyone moved to the village where there was at least some chance of survival. And the most terrible grain was then exported.
Я из Украины, к дом к моей бабушке пришел Сталин и съел всю еду вместе с ее родителями. Хорошо что она жила в Польше и Сталина прогнали поляки
Я из России, но все мои родственники из Украины. Довольно блювотно слушать, как люди в видео оправдывают или отрицают голодомор, хотя он был и в России и в Казахстане. Все мои родственники ненавидят сталинский период правления, так как на селе это было самое голодное время. Только Маленков помог крестьянам, ослабив колхозы и начав развивать лёгкую промышленность, однако кукурузник все вернул.
No
Моя прабабка так же с голода пухла в Туле. Поэтому в Москву двинули всей семьëй, есть нечего было. Не приписывайте себе все несчастья. Лично вас никто не травил и морил на Украине.
В любом случае, кто это делал? Грузин Сталин? Хохол Хрущëв?
Не складывается паззл в слово "голодомор украинского народа" ну никак.
@@duckduckov4362 ты не понимаешь о чем говоришь!
The last guy was just completely insane.
There wasn't a planned genocide:
1) There was typhus epidemic,
2) A civil war which led the kulaks to sabotaged their own harvest and killed their own cattle,
3) William Randolph Hearst printed the first article using pictures from 22' famine and later nazi used the same pics over and over as propaganda
They all seem so happy with their lives and history. Long may it continue for them as they become more isolated and their government take even more funds for the military. Sadly they think the rest of the world is in envy. What a crazy bunch.
По твоему, они должны страдать и кататься каждому идиоту с камерой? Что за обсурд
@@ЕгорРужниковзабей,чел видимо обижен на что-то
western shizo's text when he saw ukrainian counter-offensive failed miserably :D
Sixteen countries recognize the Holodomor as genocide. The fact that the socialist farming methods failed in the Soviet Union by eliminating independent kulak farmers to state run farms in 1929. This led to poor soil management. Then the need to feed industrial workers in Russia's major cities. Finally, Joseph Stalin's plan to implement a grab and go mission led to mass starvation. This isn't a confusing mystery of bad weather leading to starving millions and if you need more proof, a similar event occured in NK in the early 90's with millions of NK people starving due to heavy rains with an evil incompetent government doing nothing but taking from peasant farmers while the South Korea people were resilient and uneffected by a season of less than ideal weather.
@ captlazer, great comment, same thing is about to happen again on a world wide scale, but this time the people will see its biblical leading to the return of the real King and Saviour, Jesus Christ
recognized only by parliaments as a political act. Not a single court in the world has recognized the famine as genocide.
@@maestro6458 of course not, they all have the same despotic agenda
@@maestro6458 you are calling it the perfect crime then.
@@maestro6458I think it probably has now. I don't know if Ukraine petitioned a court before. I'm sure they would would rule on it at this point...
What a bunch of zombies
I've just seen a cocktail of Fascism and ignorance
According to Ukrainian Nationalists, the famine affected or rather was consciously directed almost exclusively against ethnic Ukrainians. Indeed, The Black Deeds of the Kremlin openly states as much, and would have us believe that other nationalities were unaffected and eating normally. 26 The scope of the hardships is chauvinistically restricted, distorted, and politically manipulated. Other nationalities who suffered Russians, Turkmen, Kazakhs, Caucasus groups - are usually ignored, or if mentioned at all are done so almost reluctantly in passing. It is as though the Nationalists' xenophobic horror stories can tolerate no competitors. Bolshevik "Russians" are pitted against "pure" Ukrainians. In breathtaking verbal sorties at times unsurpassed outside Nazi literary circles, we are told: "This whole monstrous horde of Russian Communists, like a pack of beasts of prey, threw itself on an already impoverished and plundered Ukraine."
@@vonmuller7007 according to us ukrainians a slightly bad crop year was weaponized against villages and people that didn't want to give up their property for collectivization and were revolting all the time, so soviets closed off whole villages, took every bit of food they could find, forcing them to stay there starving, they did the same to kazakhs, who were nomads and not very keen on collective farms, so they took their horses and forced 50% of kazakh population to die of starvation
tell me what was the purpose of taking rotten potatoes from homes, which could not be sold or consumed, other than just take the food? people cooked only at night, so that the smoke from their house couldn't be seen, so soviets wouldn't know they had some food. This famine was purposefully used to punish people of various ethnicities for their unwillingness to join collective farms, but some of those ethnicities were killed disproportionately, like ukrainians or like kazakhs, so we argue that there was also an ethnic cleansing motive in there.
@@polinaporechna2008 "The scope of the hardships is chauvinistically restricted, distorted, and politically manipulated. Other nationalities who suffered Russians, Turkmen, Kazakhs, Caucasus groups - are usually ignored, or if mentioned at all are done so almost reluctantly in passing. It is as though the Nationalists' xenophobic horror stories can tolerate no competitors. "
But why would Russia go after the second largest people it considers its own people?