New York's bizarre bicycle railroads - Boynton Bicycle and PP&CIR

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  • Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
  • In today's video, we take a look at the bizarre railroads in New York that had a hard time keeping their balance
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  • @TrainFactGuy
    @TrainFactGuy  Год назад +139

    For those wondering, my sound proofing involves me throwing a duvet or thick blanket over myself as I record, with my windows shut and fans off to also reduce noise...
    In a heatwave with no air-conditioning too, I think I'll just settle with a dip in sound quality

    • @Trainboyz1.
      @Trainboyz1. Год назад +5

      It's fine. I like the videos cuz they are very informative and easy to understand.

    • @JohnDavies-cn3ro
      @JohnDavies-cn3ro Год назад +2

      You needn't apologise, as I don't have sound, and 'listen' to the subtitles insetad.

    • @CheeseMiser
      @CheeseMiser Год назад

      @@Trainboyz1. pls stop idolizing v1nce. Hea just a negative person.

    • @RobinRense
      @RobinRense Год назад +1

      If you hadn't said, I wouldn't have noticed. For all I care, you can leave the blanket xD

    • @brianbarker2551
      @brianbarker2551 Год назад +1

      And all this time we thought he was sipping champagne is a large sound-proof studio, living off the youtube royalties!

  • @michaelramsey82
    @michaelramsey82 Год назад +382

    This is probably the only steam locomotive that can legitimately claim a Whyte classification with odd numbers in it.

    • @Lucius_Chiaraviglio
      @Lucius_Chiaraviglio Год назад +24

      Add to that the Lartigue Monorail (Listowel and Ballybunion Railway) (picture shown very briefly in the early part of the video).

    • @realcanadian96
      @realcanadian96 Год назад +17

      1-3-1s exist.
      Edit: it's an 0-3-0

    • @norftrain
      @norftrain Год назад +13

      They actually did, the one with two wheels under the cab is classified as an 0-1-2, the vertical boiler loco shown briefly was a 2-1-0, and the one shown when talking about the coaches was an 0-2-0, thus meaning an 0-2-0 did exist, or at the very least a design was made.

    • @gerrard1144
      @gerrard1144 Год назад +4

      ​@@realcanadian96those are axel counts

    • @realcanadian96
      @realcanadian96 Год назад +2

      @@gerrard1144 no, search it up. I believe it's a monorail. And it wasn't 1-3-1, it was 0-3-0

  • @CrippleX89
    @CrippleX89 Год назад +126

    I would love to see one of these rebuilt as a curiosity and tourist attraction. It probably wouldn't be worth it financially, but it's be one hell of a cool project!

  • @retroversals081
    @retroversals081 Год назад +83

    Just imagine if these designs became successful in New York. Goodbye subway, say hello to bicycle railroads.

    • @True_NOON
      @True_NOON Год назад +11

      Or even the boyton elevated metro
      Literal oversized hairpins

    • @FunAngelo2005
      @FunAngelo2005 Год назад +1

      Lol

  • @Hilldrum
    @Hilldrum Год назад +79

    To think, all this time I wondered what an 0-2-0 would look like if it could exist. A 2-1-0 or 0-1-2 never crossed my mind. 😂

    • @jordandorsett3106
      @jordandorsett3106 Год назад +1

      It's most likely like a 0-2-4

    • @Hilldrum
      @Hilldrum Год назад +1

      Maybe it's a new designation, like (0-4-0)/2

    • @FuelFire
      @FuelFire Год назад +1

      There has been an 0-2-0, in 1878 the Bradford & Foster Brook monorail had it.

    • @stuff___idontknow2610
      @stuff___idontknow2610 Год назад +1

      Or how about a 0-1-0

    • @buzzytrains9037
      @buzzytrains9037 Год назад

      @@jordandorsett3106 or 0-1-2

  • @Lucius_Chiaraviglio
    @Lucius_Chiaraviglio Год назад +47

    That derailment accident of the later example is exactly the kind of thing you would have to worry about with this design.

  • @oliverscratch
    @oliverscratch Год назад +10

    In H. G. Wells' 1908 novel "The War In The Air" he describes monorails where the trains run atop a single rail with no overhead support. Gyroscopes are used to keep the cars upright, but Wells offers no explanation about how this works.

    • @yetidynamics
      @yetidynamics Год назад +1

      that's been done, search for "Gyro monorail"

  • @gordieboi2340
    @gordieboi2340 Год назад +17

    "0-1-2s aren't real. They can't hurt you"
    0-1-2s:

    • @True_NOON
      @True_NOON Год назад +6

      Nahh its a 0-1-1+1 its all in a single line

  • @giddy1337
    @giddy1337 Год назад +19

    THE most weirdest train I’ve ever seen. Definitely out of the ordinary, imo.

  • @metropod
    @metropod Год назад +26

    The primary problem from some further research was the line Boyton took over… was street running for the most part.
    It was originally built as basically a connection to allow one of the excursion railroads that served Coney Island to have a second terminal on the Bighton Beach side.
    This is how insanely busy Coney Island was, there were five railroads built to carry people there from the edges of the populated areas of Brooklyn, with connections on to New York City, then still separate.
    Of the five, only one was abandoned and the other four were bought and evolved to become the four subway lines to Coney.

  • @TankEngineMedia
    @TankEngineMedia Год назад +29

    I’ve seen that image of that engine when I typed cursed locomotives, and while I’m very impressed of the history of this one-of-a-kind engine, it looks like if you split a monorail steam engine and gave them bicycle wheels. Or more like a coffeepot stretched out vertically

    • @juango500
      @juango500 Год назад +1

      I don't know if it would qualify as a "coffeepot" if the boiler isn't on a vertical position, however I do agree on terms of general shape and dimensions

  • @superakman14
    @superakman14 Год назад +16

    There is also a gyro train that was a bicyle style train without a guide rail that stayed balanced with the use of a gyro.

  • @Pensyfan19
    @Pensyfan19 Год назад +17

    I'd like to note that this particular railroad style is underrated when it comes to acknowledgement by the railfanning community in Long Islnad, since a similar system was also built in Patchogue in Long Island, which isn't too far away from my home town.

    • @That_One_Guy_In_A_Band
      @That_One_Guy_In_A_Band Год назад +1

      Wait, where in Patchogue? I've lived on LI for most of my life and had no idea we had a similar railway line basically right in my backyard!

    • @stuartaaron613
      @stuartaaron613 Год назад

      @@That_One_Guy_In_A_Band South shore in Suffolk County.

  • @brenlc1412
    @brenlc1412 Год назад +12

    BICYCLE!
    BICYCLE!
    BICYCLE!
    I want to ride my bicycle!

  • @TheRobProject
    @TheRobProject Год назад +6

    This content is quite contradicting to your post about running dry for inspiration 😅 excellent work as always!

  • @enrique5167
    @enrique5167 Год назад +5

    The sound is more than OK, don't worry about that.

  • @EuroScot2023
    @EuroScot2023 Год назад +2

    Audio didn't worry me as I'm deaf and captioning was accurate.
    If anyone modelled these they'd get invites to every Model Railway show in range!
    A fascinating video on two rather bizarre systems but you have to give them credit for thinking outside the box.
    Well done ToT.

  • @joshuaW5621
    @joshuaW5621 Год назад +5

    Bicycle locomotives are the funniest locomotives I’ve ever seen.

  • @Tibetbrick
    @Tibetbrick Год назад +15

    Single wheel💀

  • @ivanthevaluable2559
    @ivanthevaluable2559 Год назад +1

    Once again, thanks for using music from one of my favorite games, Cuphead, in the video! I see you used "Forest Follies" and in the Crash at Crush video it was "Inkwell Isle Two". Also the 20th Century Limited joke was pretty funny

  • @theotherohlourdespadua1131
    @theotherohlourdespadua1131 Год назад +9

    Now that you made this, I wonder if you can make a video about the Ewing monorail system and the only railroad that uses it: Patiala State Monorail Tramway. I was fascianted by hiw easy it is to make a decent monorail railroad using this system...

  • @True_NOON
    @True_NOON Год назад +3

    A true 0-1-1+1 Ground-Wupertalbahn moment

  • @emeraldcityelicitor2281
    @emeraldcityelicitor2281 Год назад +2

    This idea would work better as a tram/trolley/streetcar replacement I think, it's definitely a short trip vehicle rather than a long haul vehicle.
    You just need to electrify it and provide enough units so you don't have to wait longer than 15 minutes for an empty space.

  • @JohnDavies-cn3ro
    @JohnDavies-cn3ro Год назад +1

    I knew of this design, as it featured in a 1952 edition of Model Railroader which I possess, but I didn't know it got as far as being built. You learn something new every daY!

  • @theworkshopwhisperer.5902
    @theworkshopwhisperer.5902 Год назад +6

    It is unclear from the diagrams but could a conventional locomotive run on a bicycle track without striking the overhead infrastructure? If the design could be adjusted to allow a regular locomotive to fit on both rails while simultaneously allowing the half size to each occupy a single rail that would take the design to the next level. You could run full size goods shuffling back and forth or a two way half size passenger service...All of this would defeat the point of just running a regular service though?

  • @Johnsfunfilms
    @Johnsfunfilms Год назад +1

    I've heard of narrow gauge railways but this is ridiculous

  • @agw100100
    @agw100100 Год назад +2

    Someone has to say it. Passengers nowadays are quite a bit wider.

  • @RubenKelevra
    @RubenKelevra Год назад +2

    That's not a bicycle, that's a motorcycle.

  • @SuperTrainStationH
    @SuperTrainStationH Год назад

    I'm really amazed that these things managed to operate for muiltiple years. As a NYC native and a train fan with a particular love for Coney Island, I'm amazed I never heard of the first one!

  • @Zacht1980
    @Zacht1980 Год назад

    Seems like a fun idea for a themepark to build.

  • @nb7466
    @nb7466 Год назад +3

    So it still needed two rails

  • @bostonrailfan2427
    @bostonrailfan2427 Год назад

    there’s just two visible things leftover from operation: the access road to the station where passengers transferred to the regular railroad and a bit of right of way including a bridge in the park

  • @yetidynamics
    @yetidynamics Год назад +1

    i can tell you exactly why it failed, in fact it's in your video.. that one where it derailed because the bed sunk. that's it. Train tracks require constant maintance, and Bed Tamping is one of those things, but in a normal train, if the bed is a bit sullen, the train doesn't derail. wood also cracks, the only way to keep this thing cheaper than normal rail is to make the guide track cheaper than an additional ground rail., so they made it out of cheap wood. not really a good material for guiding a train, this would also have to be maintained constantly, , any sort of distortion or wear in the track, or guide, and the train derails,. not a good idea., I think most of the people that this idea was being sold too, realized that it would have too many problems

  • @Anonymous-sb9rr
    @Anonymous-sb9rr Год назад +1

    The train is so narrow you can't even fit an aisle between the seats. On standard gauge they'd be about 4 feet wide max. And building switches would be difficult.

  • @champagnesupernova1839
    @champagnesupernova1839 Год назад +1

    now here's an idea: using bicycle trains for passengers on a section of standard gauge track, such as for city transport. smaller, cheaper, more convenient(?) cars on infrastructure that would mostly already be there anyway, which could be taken off the rails relatively quickly when a freight train (or longer distance passenger train) comes through and needs the whole railway.

    • @champagnesupernova1839
      @champagnesupernova1839 Год назад

      i know very little about how to plan this kind of thing, is my idea good? at least in theory?

  • @GlitchSystem-xf7jb
    @GlitchSystem-xf7jb Год назад +2

    Now I like to see a working model of this unique train

  • @warmstrong5612
    @warmstrong5612 Год назад +1

    Anybody else think that it isn't a coincidence that all of the wackiest train designs come from a time when cocaine was legal and easy to acquire?

  • @andrewscolari5724
    @andrewscolari5724 Год назад +1

    I can imagine myself as the mayor of a major city actually buying into the Bicycle Railroad idea and using it in the same capacity as a subway or elevated railway as a form of mass transit in said city

  • @angelsy1975
    @angelsy1975 Год назад +1

    I wonder what the radius of curves this locomotive would handle. Looks like it'd be... alright (?) on a straightway, but hills and curves?

  • @ieuanbriers
    @ieuanbriers Год назад

    Brilliant! This was posted on my Birthday

  • @TheStickCollector
    @TheStickCollector Год назад +1

    These combine my two favorite transport methods
    I want them. I should start a company like that.

  • @lalnablehector1285
    @lalnablehector1285 Год назад

    Audio sounds fine, honestly wouldn't have noticed if you hadn't pointed it out 😅

  • @BladeLigerV
    @BladeLigerV Год назад

    What an absolutely wild idea.

  • @Arkay315
    @Arkay315 Год назад +3

    Could you maybe do a video about the mason bogie locomotives?

  • @overpoweredsteamproduction513
    @overpoweredsteamproduction513 Год назад +2

    You should make a video about the N&W Y6b, the strongest successful steam locomotive ever built, tractive effort being 177,000 pounds

  • @nikolimoon6165
    @nikolimoon6165 Год назад

    We need to bring this back, and since we have much more advanced tech than what was available at the time this was originally made, we could probably make it even better

  • @jeffgoldenberg9579
    @jeffgoldenberg9579 Год назад

    You should do a follow up about Elfric Wells Chalmers Kearney and his concept for a tandem/bicycle railroad which was much more advanced than Boynton's, yet also sadly never took off. Actually trying to build a working model of it.

  • @ajivins1
    @ajivins1 Год назад +1

    If there's just the one driving wheel, I don't see there'd be much traction.

  • @norftrain
    @norftrain Год назад

    I've been waiting for this for a while, the B.B.Ry. especially was an obsession of mine for a long time and I'm still trying to find more information on it.

  • @OutbackCatgirl
    @OutbackCatgirl Год назад

    The audio quality is perfectly alright imo. I've heard *so* much worse. Mostly from certain guests on WTYP.

  • @dougaltolan3017
    @dougaltolan3017 Год назад +1

    2 levels of seating in a 15' gap?? There's one reason it didn't sell.

  • @dodgydruid
    @dodgydruid Год назад

    Blimey that was a long bit o' abandoned track running all the way from the Thames estuary to NY... :P Sorry I could not resist there :D

  • @michaelcamberdella
    @michaelcamberdella Год назад

    Boynton also hoped to extend across Long Island.

  • @Veeebeee69
    @Veeebeee69 Год назад

    The audio wasn't too bad, It's a difference but not bad!

  • @TheDiveO
    @TheDiveO Год назад

    I could bet these are modern kickstarter projects.

  • @thatlittlefox.
    @thatlittlefox. Год назад +3

    Is it just me or did The audio not change when you removed/modified your sound proofing.

  • @peteryoung4957
    @peteryoung4957 Год назад

    It audio sounded fine to me. Another interesting video and very informative.

  • @Foxxnioxx
    @Foxxnioxx Год назад

    Wow, never heard of this oddity before!

  • @jasonbale4437
    @jasonbale4437 Год назад +1

    How would have points worked with the upper guide rail?

  • @Straswa
    @Straswa Год назад

    Great work ToT, fascinating design.

  • @optionalcoast7478
    @optionalcoast7478 Год назад

    I don't think the savings of width were such an issue that this sort of compromise is worth it. Despite working it was more of an over the top solution that was already mostly solved by narrow gauge.

  • @YourAverageRailwayFan
    @YourAverageRailwayFan Год назад

    Oh my god, that disclaimer at the beginning was relatable, the UK is literally on fire right now

  • @RCAvhstape
    @RCAvhstape Год назад

    The overhead rail makes it a maintenance headache, unlike electric catenary if the rail fails the train falls over and passengers have a really bad day. Extra bad if it happens on a bridge. And now you get to maintain not just an elevated monorail but also a semistandard ground railroad as well.

  • @barryphillips7327
    @barryphillips7327 Год назад +1

    Surely it would be unstable????

  • @ytzpilot
    @ytzpilot Год назад

    To be honest electrified passenger cars was the design that beat this concept, they were compact enough to be used as trams or streetcars on street level or in tunnels as subways or elevated rails like in New York and Chicago

  • @onetrackmind3558
    @onetrackmind3558 Год назад

    I like the design, very unique.

  • @anakoni946
    @anakoni946 Год назад

    I’ve got to be honest, I can’t tell a difference in the audio quality between this video and others

  • @paradiselost9946
    @paradiselost9946 Год назад

    sort of sounds like an awesome tram for crowded cities... poke em in overhead...

  • @davidmolin8944
    @davidmolin8944 Год назад

    Really cool video, where could I find these diagrams of the bicycle rolling stock?

  • @RobSchofield
    @RobSchofield Год назад

    Great! More like this, please!

  • @FuelFire
    @FuelFire Год назад

    I dont know how much info exists about the Bradford & Foster Brook Railway so I dont know if a video about it is possible to make. But it would be awesome if it were because it too was a monorail with steam locomotives.

  • @nicktallfox5266
    @nicktallfox5266 Год назад

    I feel like they could have done well in the same place that normal bicycles do well, i.e. the narrow streets of old european cities.

  • @RegebroRepairs
    @RegebroRepairs Год назад

    Bike-rails are good for one thing: Steampunk comics.

  • @TrevortheTrainFan
    @TrevortheTrainFan Год назад

    Interesting video and locomotives. 🧐

  • @railwayjade
    @railwayjade Год назад

    Your sound.... well, sounded fine! By the way, railways still make more money from freight - most passenger trains need subsidising.

  • @athena1491
    @athena1491 Год назад +1

    im, not sure i get how it saves any materials tho, since, you need two rails for it, just like a regular train,
    so, instead of 1 x 2 on two rails, its 2 x 1 between two

  • @sarcasmo57
    @sarcasmo57 Год назад

    I think they're neat.

  • @jandoerlidoe3412
    @jandoerlidoe3412 Год назад

    Sound quality is certainly not that bad...

  • @b43xoit
    @b43xoit Год назад

    What about passenger comfort? Was there enough room?

  • @naerbo19
    @naerbo19 Год назад

    It can fit through alleyways, maybe depending. And if the first steam trains and quite a few more years we might have seen more innovation before switching to standard rail

  • @RaimoKangasniemi
    @RaimoKangasniemi Год назад

    The wooden supports seem very much a weak point of the system if it would have been adopted to wide use.

  • @harrisonallen651
    @harrisonallen651 Год назад

    If you like steam trains and bicycles, New York is the best place to go!

  • @jed-henrywitkowski6470
    @jed-henrywitkowski6470 Год назад

    Euros melting at anything above 75 degrees fahrenheit, meanwhile in the western, southwestern, and southern parts of the Greatest Nation on Earth, US European-Americans are working outside in hotter weather and calling it just another day! Lol.
    I'm just messing with you man, I don't have AC in my house, or even a swampy, so I feel ya!

  • @daniellclary
    @daniellclary Год назад

    I can see why it did not take off.

  • @More_Row
    @More_Row Год назад

    Perfect use of Cuphead OST

  • @jordandorsett3106
    @jordandorsett3106 Год назад

    It should have got a nickname called The Paper Mario Loco

  • @youtube-is-trash-2277
    @youtube-is-trash-2277 Год назад

    they had a flair fro crazy stuff back then, it would not get off the ground now ???

  • @RattelP-sx8tx
    @RattelP-sx8tx Год назад

    It also seems kinda diff to get out incase of emergency

  • @andrewrife6253
    @andrewrife6253 Год назад

    So I guess the moral of the story is that just because you are unique and can be made to work does not mean you are worth a damn

  • @rasmusjonsson1348
    @rasmusjonsson1348 Год назад

    Did they have switches?

  • @VladimirTolskiy
    @VladimirTolskiy Год назад

    Why not use this concept in a metro?

  • @Ellathestrasburgdecapod2
    @Ellathestrasburgdecapod2 Год назад

    What happened to the locomotive’s?

  • @polyrhythmia
    @polyrhythmia Год назад

    Actually, had no problem with the audio myself.

  • @DartTyler
    @DartTyler Год назад +1

    Wait until Elon pitches this as a new mode of transport

  • @LandonMac32
    @LandonMac32 Год назад

    Can somebody please draw a streamlined bicycle locomotive pulling the 20th Century Limited?

  • @n5sdm
    @n5sdm Год назад

    What is an upside to a mono rail? They suck. Always have, even the Simpsons made it known.
    I see a track suspended above another track. Needing much more than a bed and ties of a normal track. It's stupid to say it took less.

  • @jimmypetrock
    @jimmypetrock Год назад

    wow

  • @jodyreeder4820
    @jodyreeder4820 Год назад

    A terrible shame

  • @phroogo...
    @phroogo... 4 месяца назад

    he has 66.6K subs and 66.6K views on this vid rn

  • @alexcanine4948
    @alexcanine4948 Год назад

    Mmmm I wonder if people can rebuild these for funsies