For Margaret were more than enough those words, at least at that point of the story, because at that time Elizabeth and Margaret were closer than ever, here their bond was stronger than in the rest of the seasons
@02june80 It was a tough thing to ask Margaret to do but it's too bad she could not. Had they waited she and Townsend couid have married while removing the Queen essentially from the need to break ecclesiastical law to permit it. The Queen was not very far into her reign here and had yet to fully consolidate her power. This put her in a very tough place. But had they been able to wait, Margaret couid have had the man she wanted and possibly been happier in her life. The Queen would even have given them access to private space to meet. The public reportedly supported it. It's all too sad.
@02june80 Once Margaret got to age 25, she would have had to notify both Houses of Parliament. They would then have one year to decide. If they allowed the marriage, then it would have been as if Elizabeth had given consent. As I remember, that part of the Royal Marriages Act was superseded by the 2013 Succession to the Crown Act.
Vanessa just kills in this scene, as nervous but happy, innocent and in love. Claire, too, as insecure and slightly panicked 😂 Damn shame that happiness was crushed.
the real story though was that Margaret chose it herself. The only sacrifice she had to make was to give up her place in the line of succession. By then her sister had produced the heir and the spare so Margaret had a slim chance of being queen. She said she just wasn't committed enough
@@alastairhopkins245 this was past the age when lots of kids died in childbirth and monarchs died in war of of communicable disease. Elizabeth was still wanting more kids too. The mother or Philip could have been regent. Margaret probably could have too given she still would have had her titles.
@@ebcbr1791 she didn't even have to do that. Just give up her place in line. She was already only third in line and her sister wanted to have more kids
@@MsJubjubbird As I remember, Margaret would have had to give up both title and perks (as her uncle did). Wonder if maybe Elizabeth had perhaps wished her father was still alive when that whole dust-up was happening.
@@boundedsleet6262 I'm sure any girls he would have, "associated", with, would have known a lot better than to even ask - and, regardless, would have taken it all, to the grave... Philip's circle was a totally different, soon to be extinct, level of, "nobility".
Pretty accurate for Philip, the only things he ever really took seriously were having to be subordinate to a woman and judging people based on ethnicity. 💀
Margaret made a good point when she brought this up in season 5 how Anne was allowed to get married after being divorced as there was no possibility of her ever taking the throne and yet Margaret was denied that despite there being no possibility of her ever taking the throne either
I believe it's because Margaret and Peter was between 1953-1955, Ana's case was in 1990's, about 40 years after, time enough to have things changed, in the 90's they were more flexible than in the 50's
There was a huge cultural change between 1950 and 1990. Also, divorce became quite normal or at least less scandalous in 1990. And Margot could have married Peter, she just didn't want to give up all her privileges. Also Anne is the Queen's daughter. Kinda hard to deny happiness to your own daughter. And Anne's children don't have any titles.
I think the Queen always regretted her decision with Margaret. And this made her act differently with Anne. She watched as her family fell apart because of bad marriages lacking love and it contributed to the early death of one of her favorite people in the world, her sister.
Margaret was very young and fell in love with the older man. In retrospect he was not the one for her. Also people forget that she could have married him but would have to give up her title. She didn't love him enough for that. She liked the title and lifestyle. So the bisexual photographer was better for her. More flamboyant to her lifestyle.
But the photographer didn't love her! He just married her because his mom told him to. And it's not like her husband invited her to his sexual escapades
I really hate that age number. If your consenting adults, by all means, have at it. But also there's so much to this story we actually don't know. Was the offer officially made for her to be an exile royal before Harry and Meghan? Secondly people tend to suprise you if you let them. All the money in the world will not buy the happiness that can keep you feeling warm and secure at night. I personally tend to think that Margaret would have welcomed the challenges of training new stages since we got more happy about
@@IndependentConversations The Margaret/Peter association was last century. Of course it was before Harry and Meghan. Would Margaret have wanted to be married when she was in her 80s?
This is not the "Woe is me" story that Margaret and the history books made it out to be. Margaret was told that she could marry Peter, but only if she gave up all of her royal priviledges and her place in the succession line. She refused to do that on her own accord, and broke up with Peter instead. SHE MADE THE CHOICE.
@@V1CT0RIOUS_ That may be true but what I was referring to was his relationship with his wife. It’s said that when he was dying he called out for Wallis and she didn’t come. He was cared for by his nurses instead.
@@rachelcastillo1742 Oh yeah lol. I don’t really consider Wallis and Edward true love that’s why I took it that way. I think Edward loved Wallis but she just wanted to be the king’s mistress and was upset and surprised when she was forced to settle with the role of duchess. Which is less of what she deserved imho.
Margaret could have easily married Peter Townsend but she wasn't prepared to lose her HRH title, her allowance off the Civil List and live abroad. As she wasn't qualified to earn a salary, she would have found it very difficult to live on one salary with servants and chauffeurs. To my mind, if she was in love, she would have married him. Her uncle gave up everything for love.
Her uncle was forced to give up everything for being a Nazi sympathizer. Love was the excuse to make the situation more palatable since the institution had worked so hard to distance itself from its 'German-ness' from 1917 onwards.
She would never have had to earn a salary - the King was actually one of the largest private landholders in the UK, quite separate from the wealth that is kept in trust by the Crown. She was never going to be short of a quid, Civil List or not. I think that she simply gave in under the pressure.
@@theshillneckedlizard8364 Her father was dead in 1955. Her mother (The Queen Mother) was dead against her marrying Peter Townsend). I doubt money would have been provided to Margaret to marry a divorced man.
@@pablofrank2466 They were actually quite happy for her to marry him provided it was a morganatic marriage i.e. if she gave up her right to the throne, which in practical terms would have made no real difference, as she was slipping down the line of succession anyway. Both the Queen and Queen Mother actually personally liked and respected Peter Townsend - don't forget, they had known him for years, as he had been the King's equerry - and they did recognise that he was the "not at fault" party in his divorce. Their objection to the marriage was based solely on church doctrine. If Margaret had been willing to contract a morganatic marriage, just like her great-grandparents had (her grandmother Queen Mary was the product of a morganatic marriage) I believe they would have supported her, both financially and emotionally.
I'm not sure it would have been that easy.....more so then, than now, all those things defined her. It will been a little like expecting her to cut off her dominant hand.... I mean, it's easy to accept it, as principle - even easy to write it down as contract - but to actually do it, in practice......It's big. Her uncle did it - and became a mockery: a nobody, significant of, nothing.....[*cough*]Harry'n'Meghan[*cough*]
@@kasskath3578The Church of England had relaxed its rules since 1936. Divorced people can remarry in the Church now. This was not the case in Edward's time, or in Margaret's.
@@gidzmobug2323i agree with u, but the people in that era was still obsessed with them especially after the shocking abdication. Its about reputation.
@@gidzmobug2323Charles and Camilla did NOT marry in the CofE, they married civilly and then had a Church blessing only. This is because the rules were relaxed to allow divorced persons to remarry only if they weren't involved in the breakdown of any of the previous marriages, and that wasn't the case with Charles and Camilla.
@@cg8397 Correct. The Queen (Elizabeth) was not present at the civil wedding, but she was present for the blessing. As I remember it, Elizabeth consulted with many lawyers before she gave her consent. Diana was dead, but Andrew Parker-Bowles is still living.
Vanessa Kirby is wonderful. I wish that she played a character on Game of Thrones. Or at least on House of the Dragon. Maybe she still can. There's already a Targaryen sitting at the table.
I love Matt's face here.... 😂he looks like he can see right through this situation where all this is going to be in the future.... He's like i know where this will lead to😂😂
If you look beyond what the series shows, and research a little about what happened at that time, you will see that the queen was right not to bless this union. Yes, as a sister she was supportive but as queen she had rules to follow. The United Kingdom is not an absolute monarchy, but a parliamentary one, even the monarch has to obey rules imposed by parliament. Elizabeth could not simply ignore the church rules of the time, she was not a tyrant as many like to think. I also think this relationship wouldn't work, he was much older and more experienced. I think it was just passion. So much so that he soon exchanged Margareth for a 19-year-old girl. Margaret also did not love him enough to give up her royal titles and privileges.
So what? The rules are not always indicative that everything will go swimmingly for the only thing that matters: maintaining the prestige and good image of the royal family and the crown. Elizabeth did not allow this marriage that could possibly have been disastrous and she allowed another marriage even more disastrous one. She did not allow her son, heir to the crown, to marry the woman he wanted because she did not meet the aristocratic standards required to be the future queen, but she made him marry a woman who did, but so came another disastrous marriage. In fact all of her children's first marriages that she approved, except Edward's, were an absolute disaster. Now I'm not saying that was her fault, my point is that following the rules and imposing them on your family doesn't always lead to the expected result.
if it was just "passion" then why years later down the line did they reconnect? I believe they truly loved one another, I think Margaret just loved her sister/family more.
@@mariellemorris5663 passion can pop up again. I think the point was that he was looking for something young and fun, and without Margaret he found a substitute soon enough.
Bollocks. The Queen absolutely could and should have given her blessing, and the fact that she didn't is a big part of why the monarchy is now fading into irrelevance. Not that specific decision per se, but the mindset behind it.
@@danielmorrisonrhymes No, I’m glad Margaret wasn’t allowed, people seem to forget the age gap between these two, the relationship Peter had with George VI and the age the two met. It’s completely disgusting and Peter is a groomer.
This series used to be so good, but slipped in recent seasons. I love the little touches like the loud ticking of the clock while QEII is thinking of a response.
To be fair, both Margaret and Tony have chemistry. It’s just that since both have very similar sassy personalities, they would compete against each other to prove who’s the alpha dog. Thus, crushing their marriage.
@@awill3992 Actually, "they" (assuming you mean Parliament) did try to make an exception. Margaret was free to make a morganatic marriage; hell, her own grandmother, Queen Mary, was the product of a morganatic marriage, they were actually pretty common among the upper classes in Europe. Margaret was not backed into a corner, she had a perfectly viable option. The fact that she chose not to take it was on her, not on Parliament or the Queen.
They didn't force her into anything. Margaret was a sad person, but she was not the victim. She had the option of giving up her kingly titles and her fat allowance to marry a divorced man. She didn't love him enough for that (like her uncle did). Not to mention that he shouldn't love her very much either, since it didn't take long for him to leave her for a 19-year-old girl.
@@awill3992Contrary to many people think, the queen could not change everything she wanted. The United Kingdom is not an absolute monarchy, but a constitutional one. In other words, the monarch also has to obey rules. Parliament has the power. So much so that the English parliament had the final say on Diana and Charles' divorce. Charles and Camilla got married civilly, the bishop only gave a symbolic blessing. Charles would continue to have a relationship with Camilla, whether the queen wanted it or not, I think so as not to get even more irritated or upset with her son, the queen gave her blessing.
It really is abusive for a younger sister to have to ask her sis for permission to be married . To be a necessary thing . The fear. I know they dont see it that way inside that system but...this is so very abonrmal
🙃i can't believe I'm saying this... But i agree with the Queen. She was too young, he was divorced and they met because he was her DAD'S best friend... And he'd just died! But after five years...i would've let it go. By then she's old enough to handle the trouble she gets herself into.
Not to mention that he shouldn't love her so much either. He soon left her for a 19-year-old girl. I think that even if they had gotten married it wouldn't have lasted, I think it was just a passion that cooled down over time
@@julianabarros3253He was still married to his wife when they met (he and his wife had two sons together), and she was a teenager at the time while he was almost 16 years older than her. He seems like a predator.
Actually, Princess Margaret could have married IF she gave up all of her royal titles, and he agreed to those terms, SHE (Princess Margaret) didn't, so the engagement was cancelled
@@monical.r13no. The Queen never approved the marriage. It wasn't just giving up her title. She would've been ostracized and black balled like her uncle when he denounced the throne. Never talking to the family again. Peter knew she didn't want that and that the queen would never say yes so he eventually gave up
What's of more concern to the modern mind is that Townsend seems like a groomer. Margaret was so young when they became involved and then he eventually remarried a 19-year old when his relationship with the Princess ended.
In reality, the Queen hated the idea of the marriage and effectively prevented it from happening. The episode was too similar to the abdication crisis of Edward VIII that caused so much discord.
Oh just another amazing scene from the cast of seasons 1 and 2! Matt's reaction is hilarious as he knows this a bad idea. And Claire perfectly expresses (with hardly saying a word) the many mixed emotions you feel when someone you care about tells you theyre marrying someone that you just know isn't good for them.....
The tragedy is that this archaic system of who a royal could marry was still in place, especially after the fiasco with King Edward, and the subsequent pressure it put on Elizabeth’s father George, which she believed led to the premature death of her father, King George.
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88 Oh, come off it. She was the daughter of George VI, one of the wealthiest private landholders in England in his own right, as well as a granddaughter of the Bowes-Lyon family, who weren't exactly short of a penny either. The Civil List only accounted for a tiny fraction of her income. She was never going to be "without a penny." I think the truth is that she just caved in to the pressure.
@@theshillneckedlizard8364 wealthy lifestyles costs a bomb, designer clothes, beautiful houses, hair and make up, restaurants, drinking, parties, expensive hobbies and holidays will eat away at your money especially when the civil list allowance stops that at least is a gurantee whereas inheritance can dwindle when you piss it down the drain. Keeping her titles and not giving them up means the crown will cover certain expenses. Look at the Duke of Windsor when he abdicated King George VI financially supported him until he died because the Duke lost his civil list allowance and he liked the high life his personal wealth probably didn't last long with his spending habits. Those who have never been without money don't value it they normally spend like water
Yeaaa right 😂 lol if it was true love, she would have no problem giving up her wealth and status to be with him. It's been done before. She valued money and power way more. He's also a fool, he cheated on his wife and abandoned them for Margaret, only for her to choose the monarchy over him. Perfect karma!
I love Margaret saying “it must not really be a terrible shock to you” and then the cut back to Elizabeth clearly thinking “yes tf it was!” before carrying on.
This decision is what probably ruined her life. Peter treated her well and because she couldn't marry him, she went off and married an asshole who treated her like shit.
Oh please! Peter a married in his 30's who persuade 14 years old princess and groomed her had physical relationship with her when she was 17 and when his wife find out she also had affair and run away with her lover. When margreat and Peter broke up he got un relationship with 16 years old girl and married her when she was 19.
And His Majesty King Charles III had a chance to remarry and made his lover a Queen. What an unfair life to her. Eventually, she ended up being an outsider in her own family.
Margaret was never an outsider in the Royal Family, at any point of her life. She and the Queen remained extremely tightly close during their entire lives.
That's the thing that was so unfair to me like Prince Philip was not what Elisabeth parents wished and yet she did everything to marry the man she was in love with while forbidding it for her sister and son
People think to was wrong to not allow a toung girl tk marry a debauched old man who went on to marry another teen. just because margaret kept being unhappy. With herbtype she would have been unhappy even with the marriage
The scandal surrounding the abdication of Edward VIII was too close in time. She should have allowed her to marry him. Today it would not make one bit of difference.
To think that all that money and power is for nothing. That love could not flower in that controlled zone. How terrifying and devastating. A huge crime was committed when Margaret and Peter could not be together and married happily. What a sin to part lovers.
Oh please peter was pedophile. Peter was married man in his mid 30's when he persuade 14 years old princess. When his wife find out about it she also had affair and ran away with her lover. In 1955 peter and princess margreat announced their break up and peter started having seeing with 15-16 years old princess margreat look alike. When that girl turned 19 he married her.
It wasn't a crime at the time when the RF had to follow the Christian religion to the letter, and divorce was not permitted. Also, people who were divorced were shunned in society. After the divorces of Margaret, Charles, Anne and Andrew, there were meetings between the Queen and Parliament and the rules were changed, although marriages in the Church of England were not on. Princess Anne remarried in the Church of Scotland, and Charles remarried in the registry office after which he and Camilla had a religious blessing at St. George's Chapel at Windsor Castle.
Her father would allowed her in a heartbeat. While watching this show it felt like queen was threatened by Margaret and peters popularity as a couple people loved them as couple even he was older to her he was so very handsome Peter Townsend
It is absolutely sickening that the Church didn't have any problem for a FUTURE MONARCH, head of the Church and defender of their fate to marry her own (double) cousin. Elizabeth's greatgrandfather Edward VII and Philip's greatgrandmother Princess Alice were a brother and sister, 2nd and 3rd child of Queen Victoria. Queen Alexandra, Edward VII's wife and her great grandmother was sister to King George I of Greece, Philip's paternal grandfather. It is also absurd that the only reason "Church" wouldn't allow marriage is because Townsend is divorced, when the only reason their church is founded is because Henry VIII, a psychopath, pedophille and a tyrannical person who executed 57,000 people wanted to divorce his wife and marry a teenager. But what else could be expected from diabolical, kleptomaniac and felonious family!
"You've known about Peter and I." Apparently being a member of the royal family doesn't mean you can speak grammatical English. Or maybe it's just the script writers who can't.
In association with the monarch, parliament changed the rules after the divorces of Margaret, Charles, Anne and Andrew. They realised in the second half of the 20th century that society's attitudes to divorce had changed, that it was no longer a scandal, and divorced people were now welcome in society events. They had previously been shunned and the whole notion of divorce was scandalous.
In the S1 finale, the Queen has to deny/delay Margaret marriage once again due to part 2 of the Royal Marriage Act. Michael Adeane hadn't said a word about it (and seemed to take pleasure in that on the phone with Tommy). She should have fired or demoted him. Her personal secretary ought to know which info the queen considers important. He must have known that Maggie was waiting til age 25, blah blah. QEII should have demoted him to deputy and taken Martin, whom she wanted anyway. But alas.
Not to be unkind, but she just strikes me a selfish,self centered, silly person who never really understood her place in the scheme of things. Kind of like prince Harry
Throughout history the 2nd child ended up actually inheriting the throne a disproportinate amount of the time. Elizabeth was the daughter of a 2nd son, who was also the son of a 2nd son whose grandmother was Queen Victoria the daughter of a 4th son! Margarets and Harrys were born as insurance policys but historically they were very often needed. There are many universes where Margaret and Harry became the monarch.
@@commodorezero hmmmmmmm out of a thousand years of British history it’s usually the first born. Victoria only inherited because her three eldest uncles (George the 4th,Frederick the Duke of York,and William the 4th had no surviving legitimate heirs. George the 6th got the throne because his older brother was a turd. Better example would be queen Elizabeth’s grandfather George the 5th. He inherited the throne because his older brother the Duke of Clarence died of pneumonia before he could Marry Mary of teck and get her pregnant. Luckily for poor Mary, Queen Victoria had taken a shine to her, and she browbeat her grandson George into marrying her. Happy days all around. But thanks for the history lesson. 👍
Whose sister are you talking about? Harry doesn't have a sister, and the Queen and then Prince Charles paid for a magnificent wedding for him and Meghan.
Philip had no association with the Nazis and the only German blood was what he inherited being descended from Queen Victoria and Prince Albert. On the other side of the family, a Danish Prince (brother of Queen Alexandra - married to Edward VII) was asked to be the King of Greece, and Philip's family was descended from the Kingdoms of Denmark and Greece. Philip's sisters were married to Nazis and none of them was invited to the wedding.
I love that she never gave permission as the sovereign. “AS YOUR SISTER, I’ll never oppose it.”
You can almost hear the unsaid part:
"But as your sovereign, however..."
Until she did Just That.😢
For Margaret were more than enough those words, at least at that point of the story, because at that time Elizabeth and Margaret were closer than ever, here their bond was stronger than in the rest of the seasons
@02june80 It was a tough thing to ask Margaret to do but it's too bad she could not. Had they waited she and Townsend couid have married while removing the Queen essentially from the need to break ecclesiastical law to permit it. The Queen was not very far into her reign here and had yet to fully consolidate her power. This put her in a very tough place.
But had they been able to wait, Margaret couid have had the man she wanted and possibly been happier in her life. The Queen would even have given them access to private space to meet. The public reportedly supported it. It's all too sad.
@02june80 Once Margaret got to age 25, she would have had to notify both Houses of Parliament. They would then have one year to decide. If they allowed the marriage, then it would have been as if Elizabeth had given consent.
As I remember, that part of the Royal Marriages Act was superseded by the 2013 Succession to the Crown Act.
Vanessa just kills in this scene, as nervous but happy, innocent and in love. Claire, too, as insecure and slightly panicked 😂
Damn shame that happiness was crushed.
the real story though was that Margaret chose it herself. The only sacrifice she had to make was to give up her place in the line of succession. By then her sister had produced the heir and the spare so Margaret had a slim chance of being queen. She said she just wasn't committed enough
@@MsJubjubbird Margaret was still third in line, and if Queen Elizabeth had died young, we would have needed a regent for Charles.
@@alastairhopkins245 this was past the age when lots of kids died in childbirth and monarchs died in war of of communicable disease. Elizabeth was still wanting more kids too. The mother or Philip could have been regent. Margaret probably could have too given she still would have had her titles.
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This Season, and the performances in it, were just shattering.....
Phillip is like 'eh, there's family drama, fine I'll let my soup go cold'
If she only had been born a few decades later, she might have been allowed to marry who she wished.
She was free to marry him, but unwilling to give up her royal titles.
@@ebcbr1791 she didn't even have to do that. Just give up her place in line. She was already only third in line and her sister wanted to have more kids
They would have divorced anyway
@@MsJubjubbird As I remember, Margaret would have had to give up both title and perks (as her uncle did).
Wonder if maybe Elizabeth had perhaps wished her father was still alive when that whole dust-up was happening.
@@gidzmobug2323 no it was just the succession. The chances of her being queen were so small then
"Is there anything you'd like to ask us?"
"Does your _wife_ know?........"
Yea! That got me to.
Ex-wife 💀
Same thing a lot of girls asked Philip.
@@boundedsleet6262 I'm sure any girls he would have, "associated", with, would have known a lot better than to even ask - and, regardless, would have taken it all, to the grave...
Philip's circle was a totally different, soon to be extinct, level of, "nobility".
Love Matt Smith in this. Not taking anything seriously 😂
Pretty accurate for Philip, the only things he ever really took seriously were having to be subordinate to a woman and judging people based on ethnicity. 💀
@@Knight-Bishoplike most of British 🤢🤣🤣🤣
@@Knight-BishopA reasonable man
Yeah, he's like Whatever.
Man just wants to eat his soup.
The performance of Vanessa Kirby here is just amazing. I could feel her nervousness and happiness throughout the scene.
Vanessa Kirby is absolutely brilliant in this scene
Margaret made a good point when she brought this up in season 5 how Anne was allowed to get married after being divorced as there was no possibility of her ever taking the throne and yet Margaret was denied that despite there being no possibility of her ever taking the throne either
I believe it's because Margaret and Peter was between 1953-1955, Ana's case was in 1990's, about 40 years after, time enough to have things changed, in the 90's they were more flexible than in the 50's
There was a huge cultural change between 1950 and 1990. Also, divorce became quite normal or at least less scandalous in 1990.
And Margot could have married Peter, she just didn't want to give up all her privileges.
Also Anne is the Queen's daughter. Kinda hard to deny happiness to your own daughter. And Anne's children don't have any titles.
I think the Queen always regretted her decision with Margaret. And this made her act differently with Anne. She watched as her family fell apart because of bad marriages lacking love and it contributed to the early death of one of her favorite people in the world, her sister.
Why did she ask for permission. She did not need it. Her own fault
@@Ariana-wv4pf. Henry8 did not seem to have problems with divorces and other cultural issues. Why all of a sudden is it a problem for Margaret?
Margaret was very young and fell in love with the older man. In retrospect he was not the one for her. Also people forget that she could have married him but would have to give up her title. She didn't love him enough for that. She liked the title and lifestyle. So the bisexual photographer was better for her. More flamboyant to her lifestyle.
But the photographer didn't love her! He just married her because his mom told him to. And it's not like her husband invited her to his sexual escapades
Peter would have been better for her than Snowden was. But as you say, she chose her titles over him in the end. She was pretty unlucky in love.
That's for her to decide though, not for anyone else.
I really hate that age number. If your consenting adults, by all means, have at it. But also there's so much to this story we actually don't know. Was the offer officially made for her to be an exile royal before Harry and Meghan?
Secondly people tend to suprise you if you let them. All the money in the world will not buy the happiness that can keep you feeling warm and secure at night.
I personally tend to think that Margaret would have welcomed the challenges of training new stages since we got more happy about
@@IndependentConversations The Margaret/Peter association was last century. Of course it was before Harry and Meghan. Would Margaret have wanted to be married when she was in her 80s?
This is not the "Woe is me" story that Margaret and the history books made it out to be. Margaret was told that she could marry Peter, but only if she gave up all of her royal priviledges and her place in the succession line. She refused to do that on her own accord, and broke up with Peter instead. SHE MADE THE CHOICE.
I think she feared she would be as miserable as her uncle was. He thought love was enough and he was proved to be wrong.
@@rachelcastillo1742He was living it up with Nazis and in a villa in France. He was also the Governor of the Bahamas.
@@V1CT0RIOUS_ That may be true but what I was referring to was his relationship with his wife. It’s said that when he was dying he called out for Wallis and she didn’t come. He was cared for by his nurses instead.
@@rachelcastillo1742 Oh yeah lol. I don’t really consider Wallis and Edward true love that’s why I took it that way. I think Edward loved Wallis but she just wanted to be the king’s mistress and was upset and surprised when she was forced to settle with the role of duchess. Which is less of what she deserved imho.
Margaret could have easily married Peter Townsend but she wasn't prepared to lose her HRH title, her allowance off the Civil List and live abroad.
As she wasn't qualified to earn a salary, she would have found it very difficult to live on one salary with servants and chauffeurs.
To my mind, if she was in love, she would have married him. Her uncle gave up everything for love.
Her uncle was forced to give up everything for being a Nazi sympathizer. Love was the excuse to make the situation more palatable since the institution had worked so hard to distance itself from its 'German-ness' from 1917 onwards.
She would never have had to earn a salary - the King was actually one of the largest private landholders in the UK, quite separate from the wealth that is kept in trust by the Crown. She was never going to be short of a quid, Civil List or not. I think that she simply gave in under the pressure.
@@theshillneckedlizard8364 Her father was dead in 1955. Her mother (The Queen Mother) was dead against her marrying Peter Townsend). I doubt money would have been provided to Margaret to marry a divorced man.
@@pablofrank2466 They were actually quite happy for her to marry him provided it was a morganatic marriage i.e. if she gave up her right to the throne, which in practical terms would have made no real difference, as she was slipping down the line of succession anyway. Both the Queen and Queen Mother actually personally liked and respected Peter Townsend - don't forget, they had known him for years, as he had been the King's equerry - and they did recognise that he was the "not at fault" party in his divorce. Their objection to the marriage was based solely on church doctrine. If Margaret had been willing to contract a morganatic marriage, just like her great-grandparents had (her grandmother Queen Mary was the product of a morganatic marriage) I believe they would have supported her, both financially and emotionally.
I'm not sure it would have been that easy.....more so then, than now, all those things defined her. It will been a little like expecting her to cut off her dominant hand....
I mean, it's easy to accept it, as principle - even easy to write it down as contract - but to actually do it, in practice......It's big.
Her uncle did it - and became a mockery: a nobody, significant of, nothing.....[*cough*]Harry'n'Meghan[*cough*]
Vanessa Kirby and Helena Bonhem Carter killed it as Margaret. 😊
Lesley Manville too, as a more settled down and head on her shoulders, older Margaret
Karma : three of the Queens children are divorced and she passed the crown to an adulterer and divorced man who married a divorced woman.
What karma? The Queen couldn't jump over the Church's of England rules. You're still not getting it?
@@kasskath3578The Church of England had relaxed its rules since 1936. Divorced people can remarry in the Church now.
This was not the case in Edward's time, or in Margaret's.
@@gidzmobug2323i agree with u, but the people in that era was still obsessed with them especially after the shocking abdication. Its about reputation.
@@gidzmobug2323Charles and Camilla did NOT marry in the CofE, they married civilly and then had a Church blessing only. This is because the rules were relaxed to allow divorced persons to remarry only if they weren't involved in the breakdown of any of the previous marriages, and that wasn't the case with Charles and Camilla.
@@cg8397 Correct. The Queen (Elizabeth) was not present at the civil wedding, but she was present for the blessing.
As I remember it, Elizabeth consulted with many lawyers before she gave her consent. Diana was dead, but Andrew Parker-Bowles is still living.
Vanessa Kirby is wonderful. I wish that she played a character on Game of Thrones. Or at least on House of the Dragon. Maybe she still can. There's already a Targaryen sitting at the table.
She would be amazing as a Targaryen!!!
I love Matt's face here.... 😂he looks like he can see right through this situation where all this is going to be in the future.... He's like i know where this will lead to😂😂
If you look beyond what the series shows, and research a little about what happened at that time, you will see that the queen was right not to bless this union. Yes, as a sister she was supportive but as queen she had rules to follow. The United Kingdom is not an absolute monarchy, but a parliamentary one, even the monarch has to obey rules imposed by parliament. Elizabeth could not simply ignore the church rules of the time, she was not a tyrant as many like to think. I also think this relationship wouldn't work, he was much older and more experienced. I think it was just passion. So much so that he soon exchanged Margareth for a 19-year-old girl. Margaret also did not love him enough to give up her royal titles and privileges.
So what? The rules are not always indicative that everything will go swimmingly for the only thing that matters: maintaining the prestige and good image of the royal family and the crown. Elizabeth did not allow this marriage that could possibly have been disastrous and she allowed another marriage even more disastrous one. She did not allow her son, heir to the crown, to marry the woman he wanted because she did not meet the aristocratic standards required to be the future queen, but she made him marry a woman who did, but so came another disastrous marriage. In fact all of her children's first marriages that she approved, except Edward's, were an absolute disaster.
Now I'm not saying that was her fault, my point is that following the rules and imposing them on your family doesn't always lead to the expected result.
if it was just "passion" then why years later down the line did they reconnect? I believe they truly loved one another, I think Margaret just loved her sister/family more.
@@mariellemorris5663 passion can pop up again. I think the point was that he was looking for something young and fun, and without Margaret he found a substitute soon enough.
Bollocks. The Queen absolutely could and should have given her blessing, and the fact that she didn't is a big part of why the monarchy is now fading into irrelevance. Not that specific decision per se, but the mindset behind it.
@@danielmorrisonrhymes No, I’m glad Margaret wasn’t allowed, people seem to forget the age gap between these two, the relationship Peter had with George VI and the age the two met. It’s completely disgusting and Peter is a groomer.
This series used to be so good, but slipped in recent seasons. I love the little touches like the loud ticking of the clock while QEII is thinking of a response.
What they did to her was unspeakable. To force her to give up a divorced war hero so that she could marry some pimp of a photographer…
To be fair, both Margaret and Tony have chemistry. It’s just that since both have very similar sassy personalities, they would compete against each other to prove who’s the alpha dog. Thus, crushing their marriage.
@@theelitemanticore151 Wrong... he was trash. They could've made an exception. They did so for that mistress now wearing a crown being called queen.
@@awill3992 Actually, "they" (assuming you mean Parliament) did try to make an exception. Margaret was free to make a morganatic marriage; hell, her own grandmother, Queen Mary, was the product of a morganatic marriage, they were actually pretty common among the upper classes in Europe. Margaret was not backed into a corner, she had a perfectly viable option. The fact that she chose not to take it was on her, not on Parliament or the Queen.
They didn't force her into anything. Margaret was a sad person, but she was not the victim. She had the option of giving up her kingly titles and her fat allowance to marry a divorced man. She didn't love him enough for that (like her uncle did). Not to mention that he shouldn't love her very much either, since it didn't take long for him to leave her for a 19-year-old girl.
@@awill3992Contrary to many people think, the queen could not change everything she wanted. The United Kingdom is not an absolute monarchy, but a constitutional one. In other words, the monarch also has to obey rules. Parliament has the power. So much so that the English parliament had the final say on Diana and Charles' divorce. Charles and Camilla got married civilly, the bishop only gave a symbolic blessing. Charles would continue to have a relationship with Camilla, whether the queen wanted it or not, I think so as not to get even more irritated or upset with her son, the queen gave her blessing.
Imagine having to give up everything, your home, your family, your title, and even your name all just to marry the person you love.
All you need is love.
@@krashd VERY FOOLISH
Phillip's reaction is hilarious 😂. Being messy as well.
This hits different when you’re in love
It really is abusive for a younger sister to have to ask her sis for permission to be married . To be a necessary thing . The fear. I know they dont see it that way inside that system but...this is so very abonrmal
🙃i can't believe I'm saying this... But i agree with the Queen. She was too young, he was divorced and they met because he was her DAD'S best friend... And he'd just died! But after five years...i would've let it go. By then she's old enough to handle the trouble she gets herself into.
Not to mention that he shouldn't love her so much either. He soon left her for a 19-year-old girl. I think that even if they had gotten married it wouldn't have lasted, I think it was just a passion that cooled down over time
@@julianabarros3253He was still married to his wife when they met (he and his wife had two sons together), and she was a teenager at the time while he was almost 16 years older than her. He seems like a predator.
Interestingly enough the queen herself married at an even younger age than when Margaret asked for permission to marry peter
3:20 face express showed her natural acting😊😊😊😊
Peter is the bad guy for me. He should have known the rules and stayed away. But he used Margret to try and become royal.
It’s the internet so there must be at least one person with a ridiculous take.
Clearly ROYALTY was what this shy soldier was seeking.
Actually, Princess Margaret could have married IF she gave up all of her royal titles, and he agreed to those terms, SHE (Princess Margaret) didn't, so the engagement was cancelled
@@monical.r13no. The Queen never approved the marriage. It wasn't just giving up her title. She would've been ostracized and black balled like her uncle when he denounced the throne. Never talking to the family again. Peter knew she didn't want that and that the queen would never say yes so he eventually gave up
What's of more concern to the modern mind is that Townsend seems like a groomer. Margaret was so young when they became involved and then he eventually remarried a 19-year old when his relationship with the Princess ended.
In reality, the Queen hated the idea of the marriage and effectively prevented it from happening. The episode was too similar to the abdication crisis of Edward VIII that caused so much discord.
Oh just another amazing scene from the cast of seasons 1 and 2! Matt's reaction is hilarious as he knows this a bad idea. And Claire perfectly expresses (with hardly saying a word) the many mixed emotions you feel when someone you care about tells you theyre marrying someone that you just know isn't good for them.....
The ladies stuck to the rules, then along came the chaps..now look at the mess..
IT was the first Time she had to offer her permission
The tragedy is that this archaic system of who a royal could marry was still in place, especially after the fiasco with King Edward, and the subsequent pressure it put on Elizabeth’s father George, which she believed led to the premature death of her father, King George.
To be a royal means having everything except the things you want.
If she loved him she could have left it all behind but she loved being a Princess and didn't give two hoots about Townsend.
She would also have lost her civil list allowance so she wouldn't have a penny and would have to live on Peter's wage or her sisters generousity
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88 Oh, come off it. She was the daughter of George VI, one of the wealthiest private landholders in England in his own right, as well as a granddaughter of the Bowes-Lyon family, who weren't exactly short of a penny either. The Civil List only accounted for a tiny fraction of her income. She was never going to be "without a penny." I think the truth is that she just caved in to the pressure.
@@theshillneckedlizard8364 wealthy lifestyles costs a bomb, designer clothes, beautiful houses, hair and make up, restaurants, drinking, parties, expensive hobbies and holidays will eat away at your money especially when the civil list allowance stops that at least is a gurantee whereas inheritance can dwindle when you piss it down the drain. Keeping her titles and not giving them up means the crown will cover certain expenses. Look at the Duke of Windsor when he abdicated King George VI financially supported him until he died because the Duke lost his civil list allowance and he liked the high life his personal wealth probably didn't last long with his spending habits. Those who have never been without money don't value it they normally spend like water
They lied to her then they still didn't allowed her to marry him. It's broke my heart to see true love being denied a chance.
Yeaaa right 😂 lol if it was true love, she would have no problem giving up her wealth and status to be with him. It's been done before. She valued money and power way more. He's also a fool, he cheated on his wife and abandoned them for Margaret, only for her to choose the monarchy over him. Perfect karma!
If Margaret had TRULY loved him, she would have given up everything for him.
@@Anna-Jade she was not asked to give up anything for him except her place in the succession
Rewatching this, I almost blow up looking at Claire's face 😂. It's so relatable
I love Margaret saying “it must not really be a terrible shock to you” and then the cut back to Elizabeth clearly thinking “yes tf it was!” before carrying on.
This decision is what probably ruined her life. Peter treated her well and because she couldn't marry him, she went off and married an asshole who treated her like shit.
Oh please! Peter a married in his 30's who persuade 14 years old princess and groomed her had physical relationship with her when she was 17 and when his wife find out she also had affair and run away with her lover.
When margreat and Peter broke up he got un relationship with 16 years old girl and married her when she was 19.
A few moments later....
Vanessa Kirby is so pretty.
She is.🌹
And His Majesty King Charles III had a chance to remarry and made his lover a Queen. What an unfair life to her. Eventually, she ended up being an outsider in her own family.
Margaret was never an outsider in the Royal Family, at any point of her life. She and the Queen remained extremely tightly close during their entire lives.
"More than anything in the world.
Well, except for retaining all that princess privilege, that is.
Her sister got sick because of unhappynis and broken heart
Phillip..wanted his soup.
0:23 "No one else eating? Oh, we're doing one of these? Fuck sake, I didn't want the soup anyway!"
Peter was 31 when she was just 14. It's good she was not allowed to marry him
Came here to hear the Queen say ‘Ouh’ to her permission
That's the thing that was so unfair to me like Prince Philip was not what Elisabeth parents wished and yet she did everything to marry the man she was in love with while forbidding it for her sister and son
She chose princesshood over love.
She could do this for her sister ❤
The queen married a guy who’s family was part of the nazis
No, as the monarch she could not. Even the Queen had rules to follow.
It would suck azz to have to ask a family member if you can marry a certain person
Exactly
People think to was wrong to not allow a toung girl tk marry a debauched old man who went on to marry another teen. just because margaret kept being unhappy. With herbtype she would have been unhappy even with the marriage
Continuity error! They were holding hands…then they weren’t.
It seems that....They could be divorced and remarry...but they can not marry someone who is divorced...
The scandal surrounding the abdication of Edward VIII was too close in time. She should have allowed her to marry him. Today it would not make one bit of difference.
Different rules today.
Look better than photographs
To think that all that money and power is for nothing. That love could not flower in that controlled zone. How terrifying and devastating. A huge crime was committed when Margaret and Peter could not be together and married happily. What a sin to part lovers.
Oh please peter was pedophile. Peter was married man in his mid 30's when he persuade 14 years old princess.
When his wife find out about it she also had affair and ran away with her lover.
In 1955 peter and princess margreat announced their break up and peter started having seeing with 15-16 years old princess margreat look alike.
When that girl turned 19 he married her.
It wasn't a crime at the time when the RF had to follow the Christian religion to the letter, and divorce was not permitted. Also, people who were divorced were shunned in society. After the divorces of Margaret, Charles, Anne and Andrew, there were meetings between the Queen and Parliament and the rules were changed, although marriages in the Church of England were not on. Princess Anne remarried in the Church of Scotland, and Charles remarried in the registry office after which he and Camilla had a religious blessing at St. George's Chapel at Windsor Castle.
Did this drama really happen?
La reine a mis une sacrée pagaille dans la vie sentimentale et surtout les mariages de sa soeur et de ses enfants.
Her father would allowed her in a heartbeat. While watching this show it felt like queen was threatened by Margaret and peters popularity as a couple people loved them as couple even he was older to her he was so very handsome Peter Townsend
No
It is absolutely sickening that the Church didn't have any problem for a FUTURE MONARCH, head of the Church and defender of their fate to marry her own (double) cousin. Elizabeth's greatgrandfather Edward VII and Philip's greatgrandmother Princess Alice were a brother and sister, 2nd and 3rd child of Queen Victoria. Queen Alexandra, Edward VII's wife and her great grandmother was sister to King George I of Greece, Philip's paternal grandfather. It is also absurd that the only reason "Church" wouldn't allow marriage is because Townsend is divorced, when the only reason their church is founded is because Henry VIII, a psychopath, pedophille and a tyrannical person who executed 57,000 people wanted to divorce his wife and marry a teenager. But what else could be expected from diabolical, kleptomaniac and felonious family!
Idc man, they shoulda just let her marry Peter, and keep some power with it. But we can't have nice things smh.
Im sure the Queen wanted to see her happy. But she was the head of the Church of England.
At the end She does not marry him, she is not allowed to, and she lived the rest of her life in misery.
It was a big mistake they were not allowed to marry......really bad.
"You've known about Peter and I." Apparently being a member of the royal family doesn't mean you can speak grammatical English. Or maybe it's just the script writers who can't.
British historians - what has changed since these times, considering Charles and Harry married divorced women??
In association with the monarch, parliament changed the rules after the divorces of Margaret, Charles, Anne and Andrew. They realised in the second half of the 20th century that society's attitudes to divorce had changed, that it was no longer a scandal, and divorced people were now welcome in society events. They had previously been shunned and the whole notion of divorce was scandalous.
The hypocrisy, with Camilla the divorced, being called Queen now.
She is 17. When did he start the seduction? We know that his next wife was 19. How young was the first wife?
In the S1 finale, the Queen has to deny/delay Margaret marriage once again due to part 2 of the Royal Marriage Act. Michael Adeane hadn't said a word about it (and seemed to take pleasure in that on the phone with Tommy). She should have fired or demoted him. Her personal secretary ought to know which info the queen considers important. He must have known that Maggie was waiting til age 25, blah blah. QEII should have demoted him to deputy and taken Martin, whom she wanted anyway. But alas.
Not to be unkind, but she just strikes me a selfish,self centered, silly person who never really understood her place in the scheme of things. Kind of like prince Harry
She understood how useless and arbitrary the monarchy is.
@@bingostarr5455 oh please! She dined out on her status her whole life. Never did a day of work and made sure everyone curtseyed to her
Throughout history the 2nd child ended up actually inheriting the throne a disproportinate amount of the time. Elizabeth was the daughter of a 2nd son, who was also the son of a 2nd son whose grandmother was Queen Victoria the daughter of a 4th son! Margarets and Harrys were born as insurance policys but historically they were very often needed. There are many universes where Margaret and Harry became the monarch.
@@commodorezero hmmmmmmm out of a thousand years of British history it’s usually the first born. Victoria only inherited because her three eldest uncles (George the 4th,Frederick the Duke of York,and William the 4th had no surviving legitimate heirs. George the 6th got the throne because his older brother was a turd. Better example would be queen Elizabeth’s grandfather George the 5th. He inherited the throne because his older brother the Duke of Clarence died of pneumonia before he could Marry Mary of teck and get her pregnant. Luckily for poor Mary, Queen Victoria had taken a shine to her, and she browbeat her grandson George into marrying her. Happy days all around. But thanks for the history lesson. 👍
She definitely knew her place. She always had disagreements with her family but she never ridiculed them publicly.
Asking your sister for permission!! Starting to understand why Harry annexed his family!!
Whose sister are you talking about? Harry doesn't have a sister, and the Queen and then Prince Charles paid for a magnificent wedding for him and Meghan.
❤👍
So Elizabeth can marry a Nazi but Margaret can’t marry a divorcee? I’d be pissed, too.
Philip had no association with the Nazis and the only German blood was what he inherited being descended from Queen Victoria and Prince Albert. On the other side of the family, a Danish Prince (brother of Queen Alexandra - married to Edward VII) was asked to be the King of Greece, and Philip's family was descended from the Kingdoms of Denmark and Greece. Philip's sisters were married to Nazis and none of them was invited to the wedding.
Prince Philip was in the Royal Navy he wasn’t British but he was fighting for Britain and the Queen.
First 😁 and insanely early 😁