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@@karabomasibi2331 Like a cat toying with a mouse before it aces it. Only difference is,a cat probably has more empathy for the mouse than Chris has for anyone he kills.
Joe doesn't really need Marlo as a means to make more money selling drugs like you were saying near the end of the video. What Joe (and the rest of the co-op which is mostly comprised of East-Baltimore dealers) needs from Marlo is muscle, as New York drug dealers are starting to encroach on their territory on the east side. They need Marlo to run them off back to New York. Joe said as much to Marlo earlier, and Marlo's response was "fuck I care about East Baltimore?". So that's when Joe devised the plan to tell Omar about the card game, both mending fences with Omar and trying to trick Marlo into joining the co-op.
With Bunny, you’re right that kids need individual approaches. But Bunny’s project is specifically about problematic violent kids who make it impossible for the rest to study. That’s not Dukie, he has it hard but he doesn’t stab other kids during class. We’ve seen those kids in Prez class, without them jn class the rest would have better results. I’m pretty sure schools or classes for difficult children are a thing. Ironically Bunny’s new project isn’t far from Hamsterdam, they are again concentrating the inevitable problematic elements in one designated spot, letting regular people have it easier, but it doesn’t look pretty in that place and it’s an unofficial experiment that can be over the second higher ups notice.
There's very good programs for troubled kids, boarding schools that take kids far away from whatever their normal situation is, provide an intense, disciplined environment along with counseling and social development. Public schools are not the place for these kids at all. They do nothing but disrupt everyone else's education, and victimize everyone else with violence, which just causes trauma to students who would otherwise turn out normal but instead are changed by that violence, with some continuing that cycle against others as a result. Public schools are just prisons for children, and because liberal policies eliminated tracking, all the worst students end up in "gen pop" destroying everyone else's lives. Things have gotten progressively worse due to tolerance for violence and other disruptive behavior in schools, because well-meaning liberals don't want to admit that certain kids are just a problem and refuse to expel them. It's very similar to the social promotion. The institution doesn't want to admit it failed so it just pretends like everything is fine. It's naive idealism about a one-size-fits-all solution because everyone is "equal", coupled with the usual government incompetence and more than a little teacher union CYA. As long as this is how things are, homeschool your kids, or put them into a private school. Do whatever you can to keep your kids away from the government institutions. I would literally rather die than allow my own kids to go through anything remotely close to what I did in public school. No sacrifice is too great for me and my wife to save our kids from public school.
Michael's story is painful. He's very strong, but he has his limits. And very few options. Dookie has been dealt a very hard deal, as well. And, yes, it's just getting started with Omar and Marlo.
It took me many watches of this season to appreciate the politicians storylines. I enjoy politics in real life. This shows how corrupt and shameful our government is. Carcetti is not likeable 4 the most part plain and simple. None of the politicians are likeable at all. Just like in real life....
It takes a shifty personality to want to get involved in such a shifty business. Everyone must know there's no real possibility of achieving anything like socialist policies at this point, you're just going to be taking the bribes and carrying on business as usual while life deteriorates more for most people. Who can be passionate about that? Not decent human beings who really care about the little people. Just egotists and conmen and people driven by identity-based hatred maybe.
Marlo and his crew... The exact opposite of avon and his crew. Chris and especially snoop are such unique characters. I don't think i've ever seen any other TV show accurately depict what's known as a "stud" in the black community. Which is a female that doesn't have an ounce of femininity in them. And all the way back in the 2000s I don't think anyone even knew that was a thing. It was so shocking to see.
They're not all that different. What you see is what Avon and his crew did before becoming #1. The show gives hints in the earlier seasons about how Avon had to fight to gain control of the towers back in the day, meaning there was a lot of violence before he settled down. The only big difference is that Marlo doesn't have a Stringer who could advise a less violent avenue and keep business under the radar. Police already knew of Marlo where as they had to dig to find even a photo of Avon.
You said the politics here is the lesser of three evils, so I'll just leave a reminder here that Tony Gray wants to campaign on education reform and improving the city's school system.
A lot of people never pick up on this, but Namond was protecting Michael when he mentioned to Snoop that her sister was in his class. It was almost as if he was threatening Snoop sister if something happened to Michael.
He definitely was. It's one of the very few tough moments we get from Namond. He's letting Chris and Snoop know he knows who they are and the connections he has to the people they know in case something foul happens to Michael. I always liked how the boys stayed around and didn't leave Michael completely by himself. Just another great friendship moment between the four of them.
Words in English that start with "wh-" (like white) have roots in Anglo-Saxon, and were originally pronounced with the H first. Some people still learn to say them that way for some reason. When someone does that, it's either regional or pretentious. For Carcetti, definitely the latter.
You guys aren't the first reactors to hate the political aspect of the show. I vaguely remember being bored by it the first time I watched. ( That was so many years ago) . But now I completely understand why the show does this. You can't understand truly why the city administration runs the way it does without understanding the politics. And you can't understand how the police department, schools, docks, etc. are the way they are without knowing how the city administration operates. It all ties together. If you ignore one aspect you come to the wrong conclusions about other aspects
With Namonds family having money-it’s an interesting subject. We saw their house and they certainly are rich because Wee Bay gets a lot for his life in prison. But nobody in that family finished school, they don’t trust the government, banks or police, so they don’t invest that money hoping to retire or become something else. That money comes easily and goes easily. That’s understandable for Wee, gangsters don’t have long life expectancy and can’t really quit. But as for Namonds mom, I guess it’s just selection, the only kind of person who’d want to have kids with a cold blooded murderer that can die or go to jail any day, isn’t thinking ahead and wants to spend that cash. So both of them just don’t care to save up for the future of their child to get him away from streets, they expect him to follow his fathers path. And so far Wee is the only male role model in Namonds life, so he tries to be like his dad, but he very clearly isn’t fit for it. He has long hair, that’d make him easy to spot and recognize, he is running away from fights, he doesn’t workout, doesn’t know how to shoot and is just lazy on the job, because he’s not in it for the money, he’s in it because he was told to do that. In a way he’s like Ziggy, except Ziggy couldn’t be a regular dockworker as expected from him, but wanted respect and became a criminal, and Namond is expected to become a criminal but he can’t be one.
There was the scene where a veteran teacher checks Randy’s hall pass. Then Bunny, not aware of exactly how things are in school, just walks past Randy without checking. So many scenes are mirrored in this show.
It’s fun seeing you be so mad at Chris and Snoop over killing the delivery lady, when Wee Bay murdered multiple innocent civilians in season 1 who haven’t even wronged Stringer at the time, just over a chance of snitching, and then he took the blame for tens of murders while chewing a sandwich and fries. They’re all cold blooded murderers, that’s like, the job.
Yep. To a big extent, the "back in the day" speech from Bey is just him kind of rationalising what he did. But like Slim said last season, "the game didn't change, just got more fierce". In the end, there's not much setting them apart, not even from Omar, he also rationalises his actions. The dead lady is a consequence of his actions, like he said, he wants to run with wolves and jumped at the chance to do Marlo.
@@thegrimner tbf Marlo is worse than Avon because he has actual ego problems as we see with the security guard. Avon had some kinda rules, like with Sunday truce, while Marlo will break any as long as he gets respect and fame. But Chris and Snoop are pretty similar to Wee, they just view killing as part of the job and do as they’re told. Also idk if they remember, but it was Wee who raped the overdosed stripper to death in season 1, he was the one to bring her into bedroom after she took too much and said she’s about to puke.
It’s just like how people paint D Angelo out as a victim even though all his problems stemmed from his own actions, and they claim he didn’t snitch but he ratted on Weebey. People only see what they wanna see.
I know it’s easy to hate the politicians, especially in this show; but it’s important to see how the election effects the lives of the citizens of Baltimore. As much as we disregard it, it is important
It doesn't matter who's elected, because everyone has baggage and everybody has to answer to someone else who also have their own plans. For the majority of people nothing really changes, just like everywhere else. You get a couple of new swing sets and clean streets at the cost of education. Then comes the next politician who focuses on education at the cost of crime and less jobs.
@@Zikk0_o I didn’t mean that whoever is elected matters, but the occurrence of the election in of itself put pressure on many of the systems that receives government funding; which then creates the conflicts we see this season
@@rahilwiggs4877 I view the political side of the show as not to dissimilar to the streets. Royce like Avon had become weak and sloppy over the years. Carcetti like Marlo is hungry and ambitious, yet ignorant to just how much baggage Royce's camp swept under the rug. Yeah, the election plays it's part, but most of the conflict was already there with the crime numbers not getting any better each season and the money trail slowly revealing itself. There is a ripple effect, but everyone adjusts pretty quickly.
"How do you lock your keys?" lol....Before keyless ignition remote keys, if you hit the lock on the door and got out and closed the door with the keys inside you would lock yourself out.
When you are done with the Wire, you should watch Generation Kill (war in iraq miniseries based on true events) and also We Own This City (miniseries about Baltimore corruption which is based on true events). Both are amazing, both done by HBO.
It sounds like they just don't have the emotional bandwidth to care about the politics or invest in the characters as there's more to Tommy's arc/themes even now then what they've described; taste is taste, but personally a strength of Season 4 was making the politics and Carcetti actually compelling whilst in Season 3 it was more of a boring cutaway that I had just enough investment in to feel the sting of Tommy's betrayal of Tony. Wonder how they took Margin of Error considering how politics heavy it is and the importance it shows as far as the right to vote/the election cycle is to a lot of black communities; and puts the emphasis into perspective. Anyways with the feedback they've been getting it's natural to dig their heels in more as they wonder what we're seeing in that plotline which will emphasize their dislikes in rebuttal.
I mean, they essentially got it right so far, not like they’re missing some messages in the politics arc. These people aren’t fundamentally evil, but in order to climb the ladder they have to cut deals that hold them back from doing good, everyone cares about careers, you can’t climb up top staying clean. All we’re missing is them outright saying the system will preserve itself, which has been Wires narrative for every season. I guess you could add that Tommy could actually want to change things for the best, but so could Tony, so could the current mayor.
When Namond said "yo snoop your sister is in my class", that was a lie to protect Mike. He called out Snoop's name I the earshot of everyone, thus making it hard to just disappear him that night.
But everyone already knows who's been doing the killing but they would never snitch, so if that really was his intention then it was in vain. If anything it would have continued the reputation of brutality.
About the discussion, you’re pretty good at guessing future plot developments except for that tinfoik moment with the racist cop in s3, it just feels kinda repetitive to say you’re correct. Like if we strongly disagreed we’d likely not watch or at least say so.
I used to as well but if you pay attention, you realize why it's so important. What politicians do have direct impact on the city administration. What city administration does has direct impact on the police department, and schools, and those two things have a direct impact on the kids and the criminals and the rest of the community. There are literally times where you see Carcetti do something and that causes the mayor to do something and that causes the police department to have to do something which greatly affects Avon or Marlo causing them to have to move different. It all ties together. It really does.
"I don't care about this politician storyline. I'm so nervous for the children. I'm so mad about institutionalised racism. I hate politicians. The system is awful. I'm heartbroken about the children. This politician storyline doesn't interest me. I care about children. I'm angry that the system lets this happen. My heart goes out to the children. I hate politicians. I hate racism. I care about the kids. Politicians are awful. I'm heartbroken that children are in this situation. I'm angry at the system" Okay, Lola. We get it.
These reactions are good but a bit predictable at the moment. They are bored with the politics, hate Marlo passionately, completely immersed with the summer boys story. I don't think they even mentioned Bubbles, who used to be one of their favorite characters.
They have short attention spans it seems. They get bored very easy I see. Everything matters and is connected, when it comes to The Wire. I wasn't bored one time. It was too good a show. I knew the story real well.
Again ladies, great fucking reaction! I really enjoyed you girls intro, and the commentary at the end of the video! What's up Lola, I like what you've done to your hair, really, it looks nice on you! 💯🌚💯😍🌹💯💯💯
I can understand your scepticism with the politics storyline. It isn't the most riveting, but it is showing how someone who deep down has a good heart like Tommy, and may try to change some things in the system, won't be able to, and thats the tragedy of it all, as it has consequences for all aspects of Baltimore society.
Saying that Chris would not want to help Michael just because abuse is wrong, because Chris is a sociopath, is a bit short-sighted. What do you think made Chris a sociopath?
I can’t imagine having all this empathy and critical understanding for all the institutions examined by the show, but then having the most One-Dimensional “Politicians bad and evil” view of politics. It’s like cartoonishly missing the point.
Only Delegate Watkins and Daniels are the good politicians though, right? I know it's more complicated than that but the end result is every administation bending over and playing into the game, nothing changing. It's just easier to sympathize with the children than a city councilor running for mayor because even if he loses he'll be alright. The scene that best describes the folly of this broken system is when Cutty is doing a morning jog, overlayed with all the candidates coming out of the voting booths to smile for the camera. A real man who reforms himself to become a pillar for his community, coaching young undisciplined boys off the streets and into a gym--can't even vote. He's not perfect, banging the single mothers, but he's done more for the corner kids than the self-serving politicians ever would and he doesn't even get to have a word in the politcal process even if he wanted to.
In the discussion it does seem that they understand the point of it, they just aren't very interested in it and I think the reason why is because they've associated Littlefinger with Carcetti (which tbf is something very common among a lot of Wire reactors) so they don't give Carcetti the benefit of the doubt that he's supposed to be afforded.
@@unc54Agreed. I also think the character archtypes being similar to a degree have a part to play as well. Obviously Carcetti isn't scum like Littlefinger but both characters are schemers and manipulators. Aidan Gillen is just really great at playing those type of characters. I like to compare him to Michael C. Hall in that regard. A lot of people only know MCH as Dexter so people who I've put onto Six Feet Under are remarkably shocked at how different of an actor he is in that series compared to how he was as Dexter. But clearly David Fisher and Dexter Morgan are nowhere near the same type of character.
Difference between Avon and Marlo is Avon cared about his rep only as it pertained to business. If he looks weak,his business suffered. Marlo was in the game 90% for ego and at most 10% to actually get paid, He just wants the rep and anyone who gets in the way of that or tarnishes it has to go. He's a true sociopath.
I really don't believe Avon cared about his rep for business sake. His business was already at the top and he had more money than he knew what to do with. Avon and Marlo are the same in everything but age. Avon sank his entire empire going to war with Marlo over ego. Marlo may be less emotional, but he's pretty much just a young Avon with a hunger for the crown. It's told in passing how violent Avon used to be when he was younger like Marlo.
@Al-ji4gd Then you're obviously not paying attention. Avon was just as wild as Marlo back in the day. If you can't see why Avon hates playing passive and couldn't wait to start a war with a guy like Marlo, then I don't know what you've been watching. Avon was like a kid on Christmas morning when he heard there was a new challenger coming for his crown.
@@Zikk0_o If you think Avon would kill a security guard just for confronting him about stealing a lollipop then you're just wrong, there's no two ways about it. There was a code of conduct, however messed up it was, that they had to follow. Marlo and his crew have no such code. They do whatever they want to whoever they want, whenever they want. People being killed for the dumbest and most pointless reasons. Avon never kills Little Kevin and certainly doesn't kill Old-Face Andre You ought to watch something else, pal.
@Al-ji4gd I guess you just conveniently chose to forget Wallace, Gant, Little Man, and the countless others that Avon gave the nod to get killed. Marlo killed because of the risk of snitches and reputation the same way that Avon killed those who could posed a risk to himself or Stringer. Posing Omar's boy on the hood of a car like a trophy. You're really lacking in critical thinking if you can't see how violent Avon and his crew could be. Avon with the crown was past his prime and weak, just as Marlo said. Avon before gaining control of the towers was a menace. Marlo is simply a young and hungry Avon.
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chris killing that poor working lady after she smiles at him is the most evil thing ever, straight up demonic
The fact that he helped her get in the door makes it so much worse
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Like a cat toying with a mouse before it aces it. Only difference is,a cat probably has more empathy for the mouse than Chris has for anyone he kills.
Chris is a text book psychopath. He has no empathy for anyone else.
Yeah easily the most disturbing scene in the series for me
Joe doesn't really need Marlo as a means to make more money selling drugs like you were saying near the end of the video. What Joe (and the rest of the co-op which is mostly comprised of East-Baltimore dealers) needs from Marlo is muscle, as New York drug dealers are starting to encroach on their territory on the east side. They need Marlo to run them off back to New York. Joe said as much to Marlo earlier, and Marlo's response was "fuck I care about East Baltimore?". So that's when Joe devised the plan to tell Omar about the card game, both mending fences with Omar and trying to trick Marlo into joining the co-op.
Prop Joe like Norman is a devious motherfucker when he puts his mind to it
He's also trying to take Marlo off the chessboard as a potential competitor by making him a friend
With Bunny, you’re right that kids need individual approaches. But Bunny’s project is specifically about problematic violent kids who make it impossible for the rest to study. That’s not Dukie, he has it hard but he doesn’t stab other kids during class. We’ve seen those kids in Prez class, without them jn class the rest would have better results.
I’m pretty sure schools or classes for difficult children are a thing. Ironically Bunny’s new project isn’t far from Hamsterdam, they are again concentrating the inevitable problematic elements in one designated spot, letting regular people have it easier, but it doesn’t look pretty in that place and it’s an unofficial experiment that can be over the second higher ups notice.
These women don’t even live in the states they think the political storyline is boring they think they’re smarter than they really are
There's very good programs for troubled kids, boarding schools that take kids far away from whatever their normal situation is, provide an intense, disciplined environment along with counseling and social development. Public schools are not the place for these kids at all. They do nothing but disrupt everyone else's education, and victimize everyone else with violence, which just causes trauma to students who would otherwise turn out normal but instead are changed by that violence, with some continuing that cycle against others as a result. Public schools are just prisons for children, and because liberal policies eliminated tracking, all the worst students end up in "gen pop" destroying everyone else's lives. Things have gotten progressively worse due to tolerance for violence and other disruptive behavior in schools, because well-meaning liberals don't want to admit that certain kids are just a problem and refuse to expel them. It's very similar to the social promotion. The institution doesn't want to admit it failed so it just pretends like everything is fine. It's naive idealism about a one-size-fits-all solution because everyone is "equal", coupled with the usual government incompetence and more than a little teacher union CYA.
As long as this is how things are, homeschool your kids, or put them into a private school. Do whatever you can to keep your kids away from the government institutions. I would literally rather die than allow my own kids to go through anything remotely close to what I did in public school. No sacrifice is too great for me and my wife to save our kids from public school.
This Season gonna destroy lola 😂😂😂
This season is so peak, I can't believe you are still here. It's about to ramp up like crazy
I love starting and ending my week with reactions to The Wire
Michael's story is painful. He's very strong, but he has his limits. And very few options. Dookie has been dealt a very hard deal, as well. And, yes, it's just getting started with Omar and Marlo.
It took me many watches of this season to appreciate the politicians storylines. I enjoy politics in real life. This shows how corrupt and shameful our government is. Carcetti is not likeable 4 the most part plain and simple. None of the politicians are likeable at all. Just like in real life....
It takes a shifty personality to want to get involved in such a shifty business. Everyone must know there's no real possibility of achieving anything like socialist policies at this point, you're just going to be taking the bribes and carrying on business as usual while life deteriorates more for most people. Who can be passionate about that? Not decent human beings who really care about the little people. Just egotists and conmen and people driven by identity-based hatred maybe.
Ive heard it said that Washington DC is Hollywood for ugly people 😂
Marlo and his crew... The exact opposite of avon and his crew. Chris and especially snoop are such unique characters. I don't think i've ever seen any other TV show accurately depict what's known as a "stud" in the black community. Which is a female that doesn't have an ounce of femininity in them. And all the way back in the 2000s I don't think anyone even knew that was a thing. It was so shocking to see.
not really opposite. they're more ruthless but Avon and co. were horrible people who killed innocent folk too.
They're not all that different. What you see is what Avon and his crew did before becoming #1. The show gives hints in the earlier seasons about how Avon had to fight to gain control of the towers back in the day, meaning there was a lot of violence before he settled down. The only big difference is that Marlo doesn't have a Stringer who could advise a less violent avenue and keep business under the radar. Police already knew of Marlo where as they had to dig to find even a photo of Avon.
If Snoop was born today theyd put her on male hormones
Avon isn't the opposite of Marlo, he's just a warm-blooded predator whereas Marlo is a reptile.
@@rudy_4ier There's no indication the Avon ordered any reckless murders like the delivery lady and the security guard though.
Welcome back, girls.
You said the politics here is the lesser of three evils, so I'll just leave a reminder here that Tony Gray wants to campaign on education reform and improving the city's school system.
A lot of people never pick up on this, but Namond was protecting Michael when he mentioned to Snoop that her sister was in his class. It was almost as if he was threatening Snoop sister if something happened to Michael.
He definitely was. It's one of the very few tough moments we get from Namond. He's letting Chris and Snoop know he knows who they are and the connections he has to the people they know in case something foul happens to Michael. I always liked how the boys stayed around and didn't leave Michael completely by himself. Just another great friendship moment between the four of them.
Words in English that start with "wh-" (like white) have roots in Anglo-Saxon, and were originally pronounced with the H first. Some people still learn to say them that way for some reason. When someone does that, it's either regional or pretentious. For Carcetti, definitely the latter.
My sweet summer girls...oh, the things to come 😔
You guys aren't the first reactors to hate the political aspect of the show. I vaguely remember being bored by it the first time I watched. ( That was so many years ago) . But now I completely understand why the show does this. You can't understand truly why the city administration runs the way it does without understanding the politics. And you can't understand how the police department, schools, docks, etc. are the way they are without knowing how the city administration operates. It all ties together. If you ignore one aspect you come to the wrong conclusions about other aspects
Yup!
People who hate the political storylines are as short-sighted as those who hated the docks storyline.
Lot of tears are coming
With Namonds family having money-it’s an interesting subject. We saw their house and they certainly are rich because Wee Bay gets a lot for his life in prison. But nobody in that family finished school, they don’t trust the government, banks or police, so they don’t invest that money hoping to retire or become something else. That money comes easily and goes easily. That’s understandable for Wee, gangsters don’t have long life expectancy and can’t really quit. But as for Namonds mom, I guess it’s just selection, the only kind of person who’d want to have kids with a cold blooded murderer that can die or go to jail any day, isn’t thinking ahead and wants to spend that cash. So both of them just don’t care to save up for the future of their child to get him away from streets, they expect him to follow his fathers path. And so far Wee is the only male role model in Namonds life, so he tries to be like his dad, but he very clearly isn’t fit for it. He has long hair, that’d make him easy to spot and recognize, he is running away from fights, he doesn’t workout, doesn’t know how to shoot and is just lazy on the job, because he’s not in it for the money, he’s in it because he was told to do that. In a way he’s like Ziggy, except Ziggy couldn’t be a regular dockworker as expected from him, but wanted respect and became a criminal, and Namond is expected to become a criminal but he can’t be one.
Ziggy was just a goofy and a dumb ass lol nothing like Namond at all
There was the scene where a veteran teacher checks Randy’s hall pass. Then Bunny, not aware of exactly how things are in school, just walks past Randy without checking. So many scenes are mirrored in this show.
It’s fun seeing you be so mad at Chris and Snoop over killing the delivery lady, when Wee Bay murdered multiple innocent civilians in season 1 who haven’t even wronged Stringer at the time, just over a chance of snitching, and then he took the blame for tens of murders while chewing a sandwich and fries. They’re all cold blooded murderers, that’s like, the job.
Yep. To a big extent, the "back in the day" speech from Bey is just him kind of rationalising what he did. But like Slim said last season, "the game didn't change, just got more fierce". In the end, there's not much setting them apart, not even from Omar, he also rationalises his actions. The dead lady is a consequence of his actions, like he said, he wants to run with wolves and jumped at the chance to do Marlo.
@@thegrimner tbf Marlo is worse than Avon because he has actual ego problems as we see with the security guard. Avon had some kinda rules, like with Sunday truce, while Marlo will break any as long as he gets respect and fame.
But Chris and Snoop are pretty similar to Wee, they just view killing as part of the job and do as they’re told. Also idk if they remember, but it was Wee who raped the overdosed stripper to death in season 1, he was the one to bring her into bedroom after she took too much and said she’s about to puke.
It’s just like how people paint D Angelo out as a victim even though all his problems stemmed from his own actions, and they claim he didn’t snitch but he ratted on Weebey. People only see what they wanna see.
I know it’s easy to hate the politicians, especially in this show; but it’s important to see how the election effects the lives of the citizens of Baltimore. As much as we disregard it, it is important
It doesn't matter who's elected, because everyone has baggage and everybody has to answer to someone else who also have their own plans. For the majority of people nothing really changes, just like everywhere else. You get a couple of new swing sets and clean streets at the cost of education. Then comes the next politician who focuses on education at the cost of crime and less jobs.
@@Zikk0_o I didn’t mean that whoever is elected matters, but the occurrence of the election in of itself put pressure on many of the systems that receives government funding; which then creates the conflicts we see this season
@@rahilwiggs4877 I view the political side of the show as not to dissimilar to the streets. Royce like Avon had become weak and sloppy over the years. Carcetti like Marlo is hungry and ambitious, yet ignorant to just how much baggage Royce's camp swept under the rug. Yeah, the election plays it's part, but most of the conflict was already there with the crime numbers not getting any better each season and the money trail slowly revealing itself. There is a ripple effect, but everyone adjusts pretty quickly.
@@Zikk0_o nice analysis
"How do you lock your keys?" lol....Before keyless ignition remote keys, if you hit the lock on the door and got out and closed the door with the keys inside you would lock yourself out.
Marlo's crew make you Stringer haters wish that his level of criminality was still around.
When you are done with the Wire, you should watch Generation Kill (war in iraq miniseries based on true events) and also We Own This City (miniseries about Baltimore corruption which is based on true events). Both are amazing, both done by HBO.
Marlo’s movements are genius.
What is Find Mine? I'm old.
It sounds like they just don't have the emotional bandwidth to care about the politics or invest in the characters as there's more to Tommy's arc/themes even now then what they've described; taste is taste, but personally a strength of Season 4 was making the politics and Carcetti actually compelling whilst in Season 3 it was more of a boring cutaway that I had just enough investment in to feel the sting of Tommy's betrayal of Tony.
Wonder how they took Margin of Error considering how politics heavy it is and the importance it shows as far as the right to vote/the election cycle is to a lot of black communities; and puts the emphasis into perspective.
Anyways with the feedback they've been getting it's natural to dig their heels in more as they wonder what we're seeing in that plotline which will emphasize their dislikes in rebuttal.
I mean, they essentially got it right so far, not like they’re missing some messages in the politics arc. These people aren’t fundamentally evil, but in order to climb the ladder they have to cut deals that hold them back from doing good, everyone cares about careers, you can’t climb up top staying clean. All we’re missing is them outright saying the system will preserve itself, which has been Wires narrative for every season.
I guess you could add that Tommy could actually want to change things for the best, but so could Tony, so could the current mayor.
When Namond said "yo snoop your sister is in my class", that was a lie to protect Mike. He called out Snoop's name I the earshot of everyone, thus making it hard to just disappear him that night.
There was a girl that looked like Snoop in Prezbos class with him
But everyone already knows who's been doing the killing but they would never snitch, so if that really was his intention then it was in vain. If anything it would have continued the reputation of brutality.
That's not why lol
I think it really just shows Namonds innocents or ignorance, he's really still a kid and doesn't always know when to be quiet
lmao I like how annoyed they are when the story switches to the politics plot line.
Attack on titan will air today and I can't wait to see your reaction😭 please don't be late so much just a little🌚❤️
About the discussion, you’re pretty good at guessing future plot developments except for that tinfoik moment with the racist cop in s3, it just feels kinda repetitive to say you’re correct. Like if we strongly disagreed we’d likely not watch or at least say so.
I always find the politics part boring too.
you can't have the street part without the politics part. It fills in gaps
I used to as well but if you pay attention, you realize why it's so important. What politicians do have direct impact on the city administration. What city administration does has direct impact on the police department, and schools, and those two things have a direct impact on the kids and the criminals and the rest of the community. There are literally times where you see Carcetti do something and that causes the mayor to do something and that causes the police department to have to do something which greatly affects Avon or Marlo causing them to have to move different. It all ties together. It really does.
"I don't care about this politician storyline. I'm so nervous for the children. I'm so mad about institutionalised racism. I hate politicians. The system is awful. I'm heartbroken about the children. This politician storyline doesn't interest me. I care about children. I'm angry that the system lets this happen. My heart goes out to the children. I hate politicians. I hate racism. I care about the kids. Politicians are awful. I'm heartbroken that children are in this situation. I'm angry at the system"
Okay, Lola. We get it.
Prepare to hear it a few more times over the next few episodes haha
These reactions are good but a bit predictable at the moment. They are bored with the politics, hate Marlo passionately, completely immersed with the summer boys story. I don't think they even mentioned Bubbles, who used to be one of their favorite characters.
They have short attention spans it seems. They get bored very easy I see. Everything matters and is connected, when it comes to
The Wire. I wasn't bored one time. It was too good a show. I knew the story real well.
Again ladies, great fucking reaction! I really enjoyed you girls intro, and the commentary at the end of the video!
What's up Lola, I like what you've done to your hair, really, it looks nice on you! 💯🌚💯😍🌹💯💯💯
Your convos are too good!
Adversity Lola
gen v just ended and i’m already checking the notifications to see if y’all started reacting to it lmao
I can understand your scepticism with the politics storyline. It isn't the most riveting, but it is showing how someone who deep down has a good heart like Tommy, and may try to change some things in the system, won't be able to, and thats the tragedy of it all, as it has consequences for all aspects of Baltimore society.
Ohh fk yes.... i kind of gave up for today thinking we werent getting this. Now this doob im about to light has a purpose...
Saying that Chris would not want to help Michael just because abuse is wrong, because Chris is a sociopath, is a bit short-sighted. What do you think made Chris a sociopath?
I can’t imagine having all this empathy and critical understanding for all the institutions examined by the show, but then having the most One-Dimensional “Politicians bad and evil” view of politics. It’s like cartoonishly missing the point.
Only Delegate Watkins and Daniels are the good politicians though, right? I know it's more complicated than that but the end result is every administation bending over and playing into the game, nothing changing. It's just easier to sympathize with the children than a city councilor running for mayor because even if he loses he'll be alright. The scene that best describes the folly of this broken system is when Cutty is doing a morning jog, overlayed with all the candidates coming out of the voting booths to smile for the camera. A real man who reforms himself to become a pillar for his community, coaching young undisciplined boys off the streets and into a gym--can't even vote. He's not perfect, banging the single mothers, but he's done more for the corner kids than the self-serving politicians ever would and he doesn't even get to have a word in the politcal process even if he wanted to.
In the discussion it does seem that they understand the point of it, they just aren't very interested in it and I think the reason why is because they've associated Littlefinger with Carcetti (which tbf is something very common among a lot of Wire reactors) so they don't give Carcetti the benefit of the doubt that he's supposed to be afforded.
@@unc54Agreed. I also think the character archtypes being similar to a degree have a part to play as well. Obviously Carcetti isn't scum like Littlefinger but both characters are schemers and manipulators. Aidan Gillen is just really great at playing those type of characters. I like to compare him to Michael C. Hall in that regard. A lot of people only know MCH as Dexter so people who I've put onto Six Feet Under are remarkably shocked at how different of an actor he is in that series compared to how he was as Dexter. But clearly David Fisher and Dexter Morgan are nowhere near the same type of character.
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Difference between Avon and Marlo is Avon cared about his rep only as it pertained to business. If he looks weak,his business suffered. Marlo was in the game 90% for ego and at most 10% to actually get paid, He just wants the rep and anyone who gets in the way of that or tarnishes it has to go. He's a true sociopath.
I really don't believe Avon cared about his rep for business sake. His business was already at the top and he had more money than he knew what to do with. Avon and Marlo are the same in everything but age. Avon sank his entire empire going to war with Marlo over ego. Marlo may be less emotional, but he's pretty much just a young Avon with a hunger for the crown. It's told in passing how violent Avon used to be when he was younger like Marlo.
@@Zikk0_o They're nothing alike, I don't know what show you've been watching.
@Al-ji4gd Then you're obviously not paying attention. Avon was just as wild as Marlo back in the day. If you can't see why Avon hates playing passive and couldn't wait to start a war with a guy like Marlo, then I don't know what you've been watching. Avon was like a kid on Christmas morning when he heard there was a new challenger coming for his crown.
@@Zikk0_o If you think Avon would kill a security guard just for confronting him about stealing a lollipop then you're just wrong, there's no two ways about it. There was a code of conduct, however messed up it was, that they had to follow. Marlo and his crew have no such code. They do whatever they want to whoever they want, whenever they want. People being killed for the dumbest and most pointless reasons. Avon never kills Little Kevin and certainly doesn't kill Old-Face Andre
You ought to watch something else, pal.
@Al-ji4gd I guess you just conveniently chose to forget Wallace, Gant, Little Man, and the countless others that Avon gave the nod to get killed. Marlo killed because of the risk of snitches and reputation the same way that Avon killed those who could posed a risk to himself or Stringer. Posing Omar's boy on the hood of a car like a trophy. You're really lacking in critical thinking if you can't see how violent Avon and his crew could be. Avon with the crown was past his prime and weak, just as Marlo said. Avon before gaining control of the towers was a menace. Marlo is simply a young and hungry Avon.
Daredevil when?
girls, please! you two jabber more than politicians in the primaries! silence in the classroom and more attention to the plot!
just kidding! 🤭
Don't walk it back. You know you weren't kidding.
I'm waiting for you to wear more low-cut clothes, you're really great.
Someone is down bad 🙄
If u don’t like the politics than that’s half the show
Love yall but how do you survive being so empathetic lol.
Is it really cold there? You should stop wearing clothes that cover your body.🥰
You should stop wearing clothes that cover your body.
Where's hunterxhunter ??
I see you two need to be punished, roughly... give daddy hisoka's schwiiing...
the maternal instinct is kicking strong this season lol
Is it really cold there? You should stop wearing clothes that cover your body.🥰
You should stop wearing clothes that cover your body.
You should stop wearing clothes that cover your body.