@@douglasharley2440 I was pretty intimidated at 1st. That motor sounds so angry with it's left bank exhausting just in front of you and those front wheels seem to be 20' forward. But it was so unexpectedly easy to drive. It takes off very smoothly and the throttle is very progressive. The steering is amazingly responsive and easy to steer. It's still a beast and will take many hours to get the most out of at the track but def a capable race car.
CLS 55 guy... If only he'd found you sooner. You helped save my W210 E55 engine without even seeing it or ever talking directly to me. I had a timing case to crankcase O ring leaking causing coolant to mix with my oil. You put me on to checking that O ring - because of your own experience.... Engine has 225000 miles or 360000km on it - runs like a champ. Could have been ruined!
@@4-matic212 It's between the timing case cover and the block. The O-ring seal is in the main water way into the engine block from the water pump. If you're not 'gaining' oil, you're fine. Check the engine when cold after it's been sitting a long time. If there's no increase in oil level, you're OK It's item 38 on the exploded diagram on this Ebay listing: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mercedes-M112-M113-M272-M273-Timing-Case-Seal-Ring-A1129970845-/173968298887
There is a small chance of bad luck, most likely abuse or major problems with the computer, sensors, or timing could do this. Something slightly wrong with the do it yourself stuff was my guess. I have watched videos on timing chains and things like the mark alignment, counting links for a chain, etc with these type of consequences for failure, would keep me away from doing one on a car worth more than the parts to do that job.
Awesome work my friend, as usual your knowledgeable and methodical approach to everything is well worth watching. I’m blown away with how quickly your new venture is providing work and content for your channel. Awesome awesome job mate 👊🏼
I am going to put oil pressure sensor in my CLS 500 w219 engine and all the parts are ordered and ready to install. Mileage is over 120,000 km on it and O ring inside my engine will be definitely aged. As he mentioned in the engine tear down videos of E class w211/210 chassis, he saved my entire engine before it’s too late, man! Like this channel a lot! Keep going on and we all brand enthusiasts are looking for your great videos from this channel!
Really sorry to see this. I know it's not the owner's fault it's probably the previous owner. But, I still can not wrap my head around how could someone blow an M113 K engine! You have to REALLY neglect it and abuse it
Its one of the problems buying Mercedes and BMW's second hand, People lease them for the "status symbol", treat them like crap for ~3 years, then get the new model. Sure it can happen with any car model, but it seems to be worse in this class of car.
Or they fail to properly warm up the car. Engine Oil temp should be about 80c min before driving it hard. Takes a lot longer than people think, oil temp takes longer to warm up then the coolant temp on cold start.
Did you fast-forward through the entire video? How could you say it's not the current owner's fault? The suspected diagnosis (@13:06) was a bungled job on replacing the timing chain tensioner, that was done by the current owner. The result would have been obvious and immediate, so there was no way the current owner could have drove 150km after he bought the car, if that bungled job was done by the previous owner.
Sold my cls 55 amg in January. Was an amazing car BUT had a misfire that I couldn't fix. Also due to someone messing with the engine map and burning a valve! If you leave the M113k alone and service it on time it will run for years and hundreds of thousands of miles.
Subscribed back when you were developing the e55 asl and I love how your channel is growing. Keep on putting out great videos and I hope you become a better version of tavarish! You have so much knowledge and you are so organized that I believe you'll become a well know mainstream RUclipsr soon!
Love your work, keep it up. How the Hell that piston ended up below the rods, is mad, seen and worked on all sorts of messed up engines, never seen that tho
I took out a few engines and the bell housing bolts are really easy when u use a long extension where the ratchet would be behind the transmission and unbolt them that way all bolts would take u like 15 min if non are striped
Didn't the owner manually rotate the crank after working on the timing chain? Isn't that rule number one after doing anything timing related? Anyway, sad to see this one die. Hope you'll find a decent replacement.
For sure it is easier dropping the engine from underneath, just look at how the factory does it and you’ll find the most efficient way of doing stuff! BTW, I’m thinking about making a table with wheels for dropping the engine on it, with various bolting places for posts that can adopt to engine mounts and hold it properly. Really glad to see your shop working. Good luck with it!
The metal in the cylinders comes from pusation / backflow in the exhaust. A friend of mine had a problem with a broken catalytic converter on his mercedes and he has dents on every piston Top and sometimes a light rattling noise. Pita to find this Problem.
I drop the powertrain out the same way as you did, I use a hydraulic lift trolley instead of the stands so I can more it out from under the car, shop is looking good, looking forward to some CNC work, agree 100% it's so addictive!
I have that same exact car...minus the broken piston, I love it more than my ctsv.......I wanna get a newer one but I don't like the discrimination in the engine sizes......mine is black with a burgundy wine color interior, with brabus front and rear bumpers.....it's in the Lil picture next to my name behind the nova and ctsv, in front of the huge duramax! !
This engine is one of the most reliable engine Mercedes has ever built, this is tragic and i blame it 100% on user error or some shade tree mechanic messing it up.
Hey so ya know, the better way to pull the front assembly is to leave the lower suspension hooked up, disconnect the upper ball joint and the strut and drop it down so you don't have to align it when done. I've not seen anyone pull an assembly dropped out the way you did it.
But how could changing the tensioner make it bend a valve? Did he turn the engine without tensioner? Just taking out and putting back in shouldn’t hurt anything? Or what I am missing here?
When you loosen the tensioner with load on the valves from the cam, the chain becomes loose and skips a few teeth and the whole thing is out of sync. Then on the very first crank and first round of the engine turning valves hit the piston and either break right off or bend and break off later, which is what happend here. The owner should have noticed the engine not running on all cylinders, but probably didn't and kept on driving.
my freand bought his e55 from toronto we trailer it back to montreal.. drive it for a day.. next day when leaving the inspection station the supercharger blew up and the motor ate it.. shattering 4 cylinders .. he only had it for 2 days...... bought a motor from toronto and swapped it
Did you use MIC-6 for the sub-plate on the CNC table? If not, you should, and make sure you have about 8 holddown bolts on that sub-plate. Wrought plate warps and moves a lot, MIC-6 will remain stable and flat.
Prices of M113's might be a bit different in your part of the world, but would it not be feasible to replace the sleeves with Darton MID sleeves in this case? Sure it wouldnt be cheap but at least where i am it would be much cheaper than sourcing a new engine block.
I had one of these from 2006-20010. IMO, still the best car I've driven. It has the perfect combination of speed, smoothness, high speed stability, handling. New Mercedes models just don't feel as solid.
Sad she failed at less then half the mileage of my current e55 engine. Cant help but feel im living on borrowed time Any M113k content is much appreciated!
M113k engines don't typically blow pistons or any bottom end hardware. Curious what caused not only a blown head gasket but a blown piston right after that?! Was the owner racing or abusing it? *edit - I heard the explanation around 14:00 in. Thx
Story of my life that is what happens wen someone untrained starts working on his engine...these engines are the most bulletproof engines Mercedes build between 99-06 ,the only way for one to fail is human fault! Now specifically for E and CLS class there is one flaw the O ring on the oil pickup tube ,make sure you change that before installing used engine!take care and good luck
I bought a $2,200 junkyard engine that has 80,000 miles on it and 10 hours of labor at Mercedes-Benz dealership roughly $200 an hour . It should have cost 4,200 should I work at a dealership so they gave me a break ended up costing me $3,250 out the door.
Very cool too have a look in the engine but love these vids, and holy smokes this poor fella went straight to destenation fucked, love how the piston pen is just chilling on the rod and the piston is Just gone
This week took my SLK55AMG.....to a merc specialist to get a 4 wheel alignment and left with a bill for a starter motor.........What happened the car is 15 years old and in this model the rocker cover gaskets leak over time, one side over the starter motor which in turn loses its solid connection with the red active battery cable and shits itself....as LUCK would have it it Shit itself in their Workshop...Saving me a Large Towing Fee.
What a huge PITA. I wouldn't attempt this in a million years, I would have parted out the easy parts of the car and sold the rest to a salvage yard. How did he get 150kms with timing that was completely out?
This is sad this engine is an example of people with no knowledge along with only careless about taking care of something expensive and just yet to get rid of it and let the next owner deal with the problems, and these m113k engines are incredibly durable and yet someone manages to have it destroyed
I've had my w211 wheel alignment done maybe four times and it still drifts over to the left if you let it. Always fighting it. Have tried rotating the wheels. Tire pressures. Spent loads$ . Any one got any advice...
@@SootySweep22 Thanks for your reply, I'm the second owner, car has low mileage and no accidents. Maybe something underneath is bent. Control arm or whatever, it's not my expertise, I'm a bit old school.
@@adamstevenson6391 Depends on what you or the previous owner considers to be an accident. Hitting a side curb can cause minor bending of components that only can be measured, but affect the alignment and thus the road holding. Good luck in fixing the problem.
Should have paid a little extra and let a MB certified mechanic work on it. Peanuts compared to the price of a new short block.AMG motors are track ready and very complex.
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Thanks again for having taken the time to fix our alignment on our buggy! Made the drive back to Montreal so much nicer. You rock!
cool buggy!...lol, how was the e55 asl??? *lucky ducky*
@@douglasharley2440 I was pretty intimidated at 1st. That motor sounds so angry with it's left bank exhausting just in front of you and those front wheels seem to be 20' forward. But it was so unexpectedly easy to drive. It takes off very smoothly and the throttle is very progressive. The steering is amazingly responsive and easy to steer. It's still a beast and will take many hours to get the most out of at the track but def a capable race car.
Thanks for bringing it down! It's an awesome build
Wonderful to see your shop already have clients, work and activity. Kudos to the Golden Buggy guy.
I salute buggy guy
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CLS 55 guy... If only he'd found you sooner. You helped save my W210 E55 engine without even seeing it or ever talking directly to me. I had a timing case to crankcase O ring leaking causing coolant to mix with my oil. You put me on to checking that O ring - because of your own experience.... Engine has 225000 miles or 360000km on it - runs like a champ. Could have been ruined!
That's a great car! I'm glad you saved it.
Where exactly is this gasket ? I have the 500
@@4-matic212 It's between the timing case cover and the block. The O-ring seal is in the main water way into the engine block from the water pump. If you're not 'gaining' oil, you're fine. Check the engine when cold after it's been sitting a long time. If there's no increase in oil level, you're OK
It's item 38 on the exploded diagram on this Ebay listing:
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mercedes-M112-M113-M272-M273-Timing-Case-Seal-Ring-A1129970845-/173968298887
dude the w210 e55 is the best amg. pure raw feeling
I have seen many destroyed engines, I have never seen something like this.
Is there any reason why this happens
There is a small chance of bad luck, most likely abuse or major problems with the computer, sensors, or timing could do this. Something slightly wrong with the do it yourself stuff was my guess. I have watched videos on timing chains and things like the mark alignment, counting links for a chain, etc with these type of consequences for failure, would keep me away from doing one on a car worth more than the parts to do that job.
myko freder user error who ever removed the heads didnt time the engine right.
These engines are known to be bulletproof. Either the driver redlined it because it was about to be repoed, or he didn’t maintain it whatsoever.
Awesome work my friend, as usual your knowledgeable and methodical approach to everything is well worth watching.
I’m blown away with how quickly your new venture is providing work and content for your channel.
Awesome awesome job mate 👊🏼
I am going to put oil pressure sensor in my CLS 500 w219 engine and all the parts are ordered and ready to install. Mileage is over 120,000 km on it and O ring inside my engine will be definitely aged. As he mentioned in the engine tear down videos of E class w211/210 chassis, he saved my entire engine before it’s too late, man! Like this channel a lot! Keep going on and we all brand enthusiasts are looking for your great videos from this channel!
Really sorry to see this. I know it's not the owner's fault it's probably the previous owner. But, I still can not wrap my head around how could someone blow an M113 K engine! You have to REALLY neglect it and abuse it
Nearly always caused by somebody messing with it and not knowing what they are doing...a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Its one of the problems buying Mercedes and BMW's second hand, People lease them for the "status symbol", treat them like crap for ~3 years, then get the new model.
Sure it can happen with any car model, but it seems to be worse in this class of car.
or be cheap on oilchanges . :P
Or they fail to properly warm up the car. Engine Oil temp should be about 80c min before driving it hard. Takes a lot longer than people think, oil temp takes longer to warm up then the coolant temp on cold start.
Did you fast-forward through the entire video? How could you say it's not the current owner's fault? The suspected diagnosis (@13:06) was a bungled job on replacing the timing chain tensioner, that was done by the current owner. The result would have been obvious and immediate, so there was no way the current owner could have drove 150km after he bought the car, if that bungled job was done by the previous owner.
Sold my cls 55 amg in January. Was an amazing car BUT had a misfire that I couldn't fix. Also due to someone messing with the engine map and burning a valve! If you leave the M113k alone and service it on time it will run for years and hundreds of thousands of miles.
Precisely why I’m not messing with mine.
Was it a slight misfire or quite a harsh one?
Such a huge change from you taking the E55 engine out on your driveway, you must be very happy with the workshop.
Build a coffee table it off that engine for the waiting room or office
Played out
Subscribed back when you were developing the e55 asl and I love how your channel is growing. Keep on putting out great videos and I hope you become a better version of tavarish! You have so much knowledge and you are so organized that I believe you'll become a well know mainstream RUclipsr soon!
Love your work, keep it up.
How the Hell that piston ended up below the rods, is mad, seen and worked on all sorts of messed up engines, never seen that tho
I took out a few engines and the bell housing bolts are really easy when u use a long extension where the ratchet would be behind the transmission and unbolt them that way all bolts would take u like 15 min if non are striped
I will watch the heck out of this channel. Thanks for sharing and putting the work into this.
Didn't the owner manually rotate the crank after working on the timing chain? Isn't that rule number one after doing anything timing related?
Anyway, sad to see this one die. Hope you'll find a decent replacement.
Exactly what I was thinking. It isn't even vvt so would have been simple.
Just Amazing to see you working i your own shop! look how far you've come, almost a year ago you repaired an e55 Engine in your Garage 😂
"Had a friend help me...."
Friend stands around watching you.....
Lol
I love your channel man. Wish we were friends. From building cars at home to owning a full blown shop. I can see it growing bigger in the future.
Same but im in arizona :/
For sure it is easier dropping the engine from underneath, just look at how the factory does it and you’ll find the most efficient way of doing stuff! BTW, I’m thinking about making a table with wheels for dropping the engine on it, with various bolting places for posts that can adopt to engine mounts and hold it properly. Really glad to see your shop working. Good luck with it!
Dude shouldn't have jacked with the boost. Mine holding together still nearing 250,000 miles
The metal in the cylinders comes from pusation / backflow in the exhaust. A friend of mine had a problem with a broken catalytic converter on his mercedes and he has dents on every piston Top and sometimes a light rattling noise. Pita to find this Problem.
That really sad i remember when my piston decided to leave the vr6 engine but luckily didn't hit me just damage alot of parts on its way
I drop the powertrain out the same way as you did, I use a hydraulic lift trolley instead of the stands so I can more it out from under the car, shop is looking good, looking forward to some CNC work, agree 100% it's so addictive!
Great video!
Feel sorry for the owner, sometimes a particular car is nothing but grief!
Really looking forward to the cnc content!
That moment when the metal flakes started showing i was thinking RIP, human error can be a costly mistake.
Yup if you don’t know what your doing definitely don’t attempt to remove the heads lol
Thanks man for us m113 owners. this is Gold.
I know this has nothing to do with fault but should he have used modified head bolts
I have this car, with a larger crank pulley and tune. An absolute beast. I would cry at first then find a used engine and rebuild.
Stoked on the shop! Best of luck!
If your client parts it out, there are a few pieces I could use to bring mine back to OEM. Lemme know...
Thanks!
I have that same exact car...minus the broken piston, I love it more than my ctsv.......I wanna get a newer one but I don't like the discrimination in the engine sizes......mine is black with a burgundy wine color interior, with brabus front and rear bumpers.....it's in the Lil picture next to my name behind the nova and ctsv, in front of the huge duramax! !
This engine is one of the most reliable engine Mercedes has ever built, this is tragic and i blame it 100% on user error or some shade tree mechanic messing it up.
Great Video as usual!
Hey so ya know, the better way to pull the front assembly is to leave the lower suspension hooked up, disconnect the upper ball joint and the strut and drop it down so you don't have to align it when done. I've not seen anyone pull an assembly dropped out the way you did it.
If you want to play around with the CNC mill, get some Peugeot 206 front knuckles, 3d scan them, and make up some aluminium ones for my race car!
I like how the friend was just spinning the wheels while you did the real "work"
"emotional support"
Can I ask what specification of machine it was and how long did it take to learn how to machine parts ?
But how could changing the tensioner make it bend a valve? Did he turn the engine without tensioner? Just taking out and putting back in shouldn’t hurt anything? Or what I am missing here?
When you loosen the tensioner with load on the valves from the cam, the chain becomes loose and skips a few teeth and the whole thing is out of sync. Then on the very first crank and first round of the engine turning valves hit the piston and either break right off or bend and break off later, which is what happend here. The owner should have noticed the engine not running on all cylinders, but probably didn't and kept on driving.
Nice work man👌🏼
my freand bought his e55 from toronto we trailer it back to montreal.. drive it for a day.. next day when leaving the inspection station the supercharger blew up and the motor ate it.. shattering 4 cylinders .. he only had it for 2 days...... bought a motor from toronto and swapped it
How much was the motor he bought?
Did you use MIC-6 for the sub-plate on the CNC table? If not, you should, and make sure you have about 8 holddown bolts on that sub-plate. Wrought plate warps and moves a lot, MIC-6 will remain stable and flat.
That's the end of the engine not the car. I seen pretty much the same situation on Volvo xc70. Thanks for sharing guys.
Hahahah I made it into the intro! Hey man, I've been waiting for this video :)
2:33 your customer started getting restless 🤣
What about aftermarket sleeving the block is that possible?
Prices of M113's might be a bit different in your part of the world, but would it not be feasible to replace the sleeves with Darton MID sleeves in this case? Sure it wouldnt be cheap but at least where i am it would be much cheaper than sourcing a new engine block.
honestly this is 100% what i imagine happens to every AMG you see on the used car lots
but they really get treated like crap and many owners dont do the regular maintenance. in germany they are okay in terms of reliability
This is usually the result of too many track days. These are not track engines, they're perfectly reliable for road use.
I had one of these from 2006-20010. IMO, still the best car I've driven. It has the perfect combination of speed, smoothness, high speed stability, handling. New Mercedes models just don't feel as solid.
Sad she failed at less then half the mileage of my current e55 engine. Cant help but feel im living on borrowed time Any M113k content is much appreciated!
You're located in Brampton right? Do you work on all types of cars?
So was the cylinder hydro locked when they started it? What could cause it to break a piston on startup ..
He said the valve head broke off, which obviously fell inside the cylinder.
Don't stop making videos in future!
M113k engines don't typically blow pistons or any bottom end hardware. Curious what caused not only a blown head gasket but a blown piston right after that?! Was the owner racing or abusing it?
*edit - I heard the explanation around 14:00 in. Thx
Any tables (on wheels maybe?) not available??
Hydraulic lock weakened/broke the piston?
Thes engin is very strong how the piston is broke??
Thats just horrible, good to see you getting cars in the shop though!
Wow. that just sucks hard. Hope the car gets a (used) new engine!
It's another sad love story for the CLS 55 AMG, one of my favourite AMG cars, especially this model year.
How can you not see that with the scope
how the heck the piston made it pass the crankshaft
good video! keep going!!
Great video !
Could you buy a 500 block, new piston, valves and whatever and just transfer everything from the 55 motor to it?
Crank is probably destroyed and every hole in the engine is filled with metal. Better to buy a wrecked 55 with a full engine at this point.
You back buddy 😎👋
Can a cls 55 supercharger fit a 2002 Mercedes s430? 🤔
Story of my life that is what happens wen someone untrained starts working on his engine...these engines are the most bulletproof engines Mercedes build between 99-06 ,the only way for one to fail is human fault! Now specifically for E and CLS class there is one flaw the O ring on the oil pickup tube ,make sure you change that before installing used engine!take care and good luck
Bullshit. 150,000k and this engine needed a head job. Nothing "bulletproof" about that.
Can’t wait for next episodes 👍👍👍
How much did you guys charge for this job altogether?
That exact thing happened to my 2007 CL550 last month I know your pain. 😔 But mine happened at 6000 RPMs at 100 .
What did it cost to fix ?
I bought a $2,200 junkyard engine that has 80,000 miles on it and 10 hours of labor at Mercedes-Benz dealership roughly $200 an hour . It should have cost 4,200 should I work at a dealership so they gave me a break ended up costing me $3,250 out the door.
@@justinhamill954 what do you mean...."should i work at a dealership so they gave me a break" ?
Very cool too have a look in the engine but love these vids, and holy smokes this poor fella went straight to destenation fucked, love how the piston pen is just chilling on the rod and the piston is Just gone
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This week took my SLK55AMG.....to a merc specialist to get a 4 wheel alignment and left with a bill for a starter motor.........What happened the car is 15 years old and in this model the rocker cover gaskets leak over time, one side over the starter motor which in turn loses its solid connection with the red active battery cable and shits itself....as LUCK would have it it Shit itself in their Workshop...Saving me a Large Towing Fee.
Thats a pretty bad news for the owner. But we get one more rebuild video so that is awesome
Great content!
10:41 now that’s what I call a beefy cam chain.
One of my pistons went straight through the block and literally shattered it into pieces... such a sad moment.
What a huge PITA. I wouldn't attempt this in a million years, I would have parted out the easy parts of the car and sold the rest to a salvage yard. How did he get 150kms with timing that was completely out?
Turbocharge or supercharged engine?
4 bolt main V8 or six in line.
It’s a 5.4 litre v8 supercharged
Euro Charged tune?
This is sad this engine is an example of people with no knowledge along with only careless about taking care of something expensive and just yet to get rid of it and let the next owner deal with the problems, and these m113k engines are incredibly durable and yet someone manages to have it destroyed
Thanks for the warning!!
wait a 5 hour drive from montreal? i thought you were like in vancouver
Website says Brampton ON.
Yea that engine is done but if i had plenty cash an nothing to do i would of weld it back and then add a sleeve, piston 😂😂😂 and run it until it dies
Really starts on a hopeful note :X
You should use a GoPro head mount instead of time lapse footage. Would make the videos a lot more engaging!
That will not buff out.
Shame to see such a wreck in a nice car like that.
I've had my w211 wheel alignment done maybe four times and it still drifts over to the left if you let it. Always fighting it. Have tried rotating the wheels. Tire pressures. Spent loads$ . Any one got any advice...
Adam Stevenson
Did you purchase it brand new? Sometimes a rear end collision can move the chassis such that no further alignment can be done.
@@SootySweep22 Thanks for your reply, I'm the second owner, car has low mileage and no accidents. Maybe something underneath is bent. Control arm or whatever, it's not my expertise, I'm a bit old school.
@@adamstevenson6391
Depends on what you or the previous owner considers to be an accident.
Hitting a side curb can cause minor bending of components that only can be measured, but affect the alignment and thus the road holding.
Good luck in fixing the problem.
Caster is your problem
Piston, broke! Sounds just like me on a Friday night!
Ouch that won't buff out.
put a big fill in where the broken cylinder is smashed and then bore and sleeve the whole block
12:00 Now kids you see one of the disadvantages of open deck engines.
Put some Darton sleeves in it!
Мерседес уже не тот... раньше делали надёжно.
There is proof you're Canadian, when you have your engine on Motomaster jack stand. haha
Why are your tools so far away?
O-ring on the oil pickup
Exactly ! Something so insignificant destroying the engine . :/
Yep that 1 knackered engine
You should change the name of your channel to XF Motorsports
9:15 is that thing road legal?
Wow, costly mistake. Real shame. The sounds you made at the start of the video were completely justified.
Should have paid a little extra and let a MB certified mechanic work on it. Peanuts compared to the price of a new short block.AMG motors are track ready and very complex.