One thing that was failed to be mentioned is the free advertisement YT gets when people blocking the ads while watching the YT videos still refer YT videos to others. So yes, it can be a vicious circle both ways.
This is the exposure argument. Anytime I hear an argument that is identical to the argument of an NYC club owner or record label A&R person from the 2000s, I die inside. My good friend & co-studio-intern from back when I was 17 years old had a great album that had one song on it referring to all of this. The line was, _"Can I go to the deli and cash it in for a sandwich?"_ It referred to all of the garbage people would tell you when you worked in the music industry to try to get you to work for free. Whether free recording time, play my club for free, give me a beat for free. It was always some long winded bullshit that came down to him getting _"exposure"_ and _"free advertising"_ while they got something that cost him time, money, resources, or brainpower. I liked that song.
@@rossmanngroup Kind of disagree with you on this one, just because of RUclips's own algorithm. The more views a video gets, the more it's promoted, and those videos do get more views. It's not the "Oh, you might get exposure and make some money", it actually does give it more exposure, and on average, more money. I don't think you're completely wrong, but I don't think it's on the same level as what you were talking about with the music industry.
@xanmal7042 Sure, but not everything is black and white. I said it's not an apples to apples comparison and you're purposely ignoring that. The algorithm absolutely promotes already popular videos, so just by watching, you're contributing. Not as much as actually viewing ads, but saying it does nothing is ignoring the fact of videos gaining traction from the algorithm and gaining many times more views than they would otherwise. It's slightly more nuanced than just "by using an adblocker you contribute nothing"
In particular, better than a youtube ad, which has at least a 40% chance of being a clear scam, and 70% chance of being abusively loud garbage in those first seconds.
It really is highly preferrable. RUclips advertisements are so terrible and grating that I'd rather stare at the wall for 15 seconds if it comes to that.
@@Llortnerof You mean the little countdown before the skip button? That consistently lies by counting slow, and now they're often swapping it out for "video will play shortly" or something like that. Its purpose is to draw your attention so you don't look away from the ad. I've seen it bug out and stick in forced mode on a 15 minute ad.
Waiting 5 seconds on a black screen is infinitely more preferable than watching an ad. Especially if that ad was going to make you watch more than 5 seconds before you could skip it.
nah its the waste of brain capacity an ad can take up. still remembering cab jingles from 2001 man. i can probably learn a new language with all the ads i remember.
Well you might say I’m not paying them whit my data anymore, but that’s where I say I have payed them once upon a time whit my data, and for that I feel like the rites to a lifetime of access to RUclips without ads 😂
I was never that bothered about having an ad blocker, but RUclips ads becoming longer, more obnoxious, and non skip-able is one of the things that finally pushed me to install an ad block and now I can never go back
i went ages before i cracked and installed revanced because of the horrible (often nsfw and scam) ads, if they simply put some moderation they wouldn't need to screw over people
This. I didn't have an adblocker until a few years ago when YT really started throwing a lot more in. A 5 second ad at the beginning of the video and maybe one at the end? No problem. But when a 5 minute video has an unskippable ad at the beginning and 3 or 4 ad breaks in the middle, it's adblocker time.
@@Miles_huhthe scams is really what got me, I reported them for like 2 years. And I would always see the same ads pop up and report them again… almost all of those ads still pop up
The kinky waifu porn was the worst. What if my kid wants to watch a video and I'm in my account watching Louis? 'Daddy showed me pretty ladies on his computer' sounds so innocent when said to an authority figure, and any misunderstandings that it wasn't just an ad on YT will be easily figured out, right? YT will have to pry my adblockers and script stoppers out of my cold dead hands frozen in the shape of a mouse before I'll give them up.
@@HipposaurusRex Yeah, an ad at the beginning unskippable for 5 seconds or whatever is fine, but the ones at the end (or the middle) are what finally got me to install an adblocker tbh. I'd often make sure the video is set to a comfortable volume and then do some work in the kitchen while watching, but then an ad comes on at the end playing at TWICE THE VOLUME. It'd be so obnoxious and can't even click away or turn it down because my hands are dirty. So fuck that, for a while I stopped using youtube, but eventually came back with an adblocker. To this day I only have my browser set to block ads on youtube.
RUclips did this to themselves. Us Adblock users didn't use adblockers on day one. We were pushed into using adblockers. RUclips ads were tolerable at first, but then they started to stack ads on videos and making them unskippable along with making them more intrusive and aggressive. That's what drove me to get an adblocker. Haven't taken my adblocker off since.
I also think the comments are missing part of the reason this will always be a losing battle for RUclips. I initially got a blocker way before youtube started getting aggressive with ads to cut down on the insane amount of clutter caused by banner and side ads on primarily text-based websites because I personally don't like consuming every tutorial/instructional thing in video format and sites like that went nuts years ago by making every informational article a slideshow to maximize their average clickthrough rate. I didn't really notice things had started to get out of hand here until I started listening/watching videos on the mobile app to keep my desktop free. So I feel like there's gotta be a sizeable amount of people like me who installed a blocker for x or y reason off of youtube which blanket blocked ads everywhere. Then depending on what time period you did may have been swayed to whitelist RUclips from a creator-you-like's argument only to be presented with an increasingly dystopian and unacceptable ad landscape. So I think, for at least some, the initial decision of installing a blocker had almost nothing to do with RUclips and RUclips's decided in response to be aggressive and adversarial to all blocker-users. They've created a situation where at best it convinces the majority of old, new, and prospective blocker-users that RUclips is one of the bad actors that warrants using a blocker, and at worst they're going to keep targeting users with anti-blocker measures and horrible ads until they get spanked with public outcry or legal action against either of those practices. I'd be willing to watch one-two 15-30 second ads again if it stopped hitting me with 15-minute Multi-Level-Marketing scams and targeted political content that is aggressively opposed to the video it's playing before. It's like they took the rise of adblock as a personal affront to Daddy Google and instead of making their ads a beacon of standards and practices in an increasingly scammy world they're acting just as scummy and turning a blind eye to scam artists and demagogues with deep pockets to keep their profits up.
The last straw was them letting anyone advertise on their platform, even scammers. Like seriously, how many times have you seen a Robux scam or deepfaked MrBeast cash app scam?
I was actively considering getting RUclips Premium at one point. Because I already have a RUclips Music subscription because I like to listen to music while at work. Not only do ads slow me down, but I also can't turn my phone screen off, which kills the battery. And RUclips Premium is only like 3 more dollars, and comes with a RUclips Music thing along with it. Then this happened, and I refuse to get the new subscription on sheer principal. However, I won't get rid of my RUclips Music one because my work would be sheer suffering without it.
I'll never not use an ad-blocker on RUclips. And no one at Google is ever going to solve the ad-blocking "issue." They're doing an amazing job at publicizing the existence of ad-blockers.
Its been really weird in the last month that the ads being run on youtube have been less, and less, and less applicable to what I am watching (e.g. getting pharma ads on a gaming video). I hate pharma ads and car manufacturer ads. They are pointless, nobody cares, nobody buys your car, FORD, because you ran an add on youtube.
The thing I'm trying to get my head around is, YT is losing revenue through ad blockers, so they throw money at something that will never go away, therefor losing even more money. Is that how it works?
Thus far I wasn't even aware of something called ad-blockers until this topic came up. Now I'm interested in finding out more information about what an ad blocker is and how to get one. Totally publicizing the idea of an ad-blocker.
@@mrade5321it is never ever ever ever about the money. It is about control. Always has been always will be. My money is on this entire ad block excursion being specifically about them finding ways to monitor plugins and solve exploits and workarounds. The knowledge is worth more money than anything you could possibly earn them in advance revenue.
Last time I turned off my adblocker to support channels I care about, they gave me an hour+ long ad for something that looked like a scam. It took me a while to be able to get to my phone and skip it, so I was forced to listen to it for 15ish minutes. This was about 5 ad breaks (all double ads) into a 50 minute video. I gave RUclips a chance, and they ruined any good will I had left for them.
A friend of mine was an ex gamble addict. He was always using adblockers because he didn't want commercials involving gambling. After his adblock removal, not only gamble commercials pop up, but he tries to restrict them with a "commercial references" option and they still pop up. Im nothing but disgusted from RUclips. Adblockers are about protection.
Tell your friend that they are still many workarounds to this BS. The Brave browser is probably one of the better options, its easy, ad block is built in and I have yet to any issues with it. Personally I'm finding that it's on par if not better than Chrome, Edge or FF.
I use to have exactly the same way of thinking until youtube start demonetizing most of the channels I'm watching, but still running adds on their content. This was the moment I've started using add-blocker. If they are not paying the content creator - I'm not paying them.
Oh, but youtube is not just demonetizing channels which opinions they do not like, they remove such channels too. And they only remove conservative channels, while at the same time, channels which promote pdfilia, they are there monetized too. Not just that, they have high status too. This is google, an evil company spreading false information, indoctrination also young people into believing that men can give birth, that there is nothing wrong in an adult man boning kids. Evil. Evil. Evil.
Part of the reason they haven't improved their detection AI is so it marks people falsely and in turn lets RUclips steal some of the revenue. By simply not improving their system then ensure more profits are made and don't spend money on improvements.
Content creators deserve 0% of the money when they host 0% of the content and sacrifice their own rights to said content to have someone else host it for "free".
@@TheSismeonyes! Between random transphobic PragerU crap every 3 months to some explicit omegaverse erotic fiction readings 😭 like RUclips, where the fuck you finding these advertisers?
As a guy who adblocks and doesn't pay, I have to say that you've got it totally right. If they can flush me out, that's their business. But honestly? I hate the guys who run this site. I would buy premium, but I'm morally opposed to the way they do business. They won't get a dime from me. Not until they hold their advertisers to the same standard as their content producers, and not until they can figure out how not to arbitrarily delete people's livelihoods. Once they do that, I'll buy premium. But until then? Not a dime, and not a byte. And again, if they can flush me out, that's totally alright! It's their business, and I know I'm being disruptive. But I despise them, and I've come to enjoy this game of cat and mouse.
they flushed out a lot of youtubers that made this platform what it is to begin with, by cutting ad revenue from basic swears or video game violence, but then they show us ads for scams or softcore porn....
The biggest issue is the double ads. They started a campaign against adblockers but didn’t revert the double ad change. (Which they put in to combat falling revenue from Adblock) Until those go away I’m certainly not turning off Adblock.
And those ads are more frequently unskippable over 20 second ads, which upgraded me from someone using an adblocker because seeing the same 3 ads all day was annoying to using an adblocker because the service is terrible without an adblocker. If they allow any ad to be skipped after 5 seconds, I'd gladly remove my blocker because the inconvenience of using a skip button is an acceptable tradeoff and allows me to self-select which advertisements are worth my time meaning advertisers don't waste their ad money on a consumer who's already decided the product isn't interesting.
or the too much ads too. i am not going to buy anything of them. just a plain old no. i use youtube both on my phone and chromebook (on chromebook rn) and i have no problem watching ads if i am just on my phone for like 1 full-length video but if i watch a bit more, i immediatly start to get annoyed any time an ad plays like I HATE IT
@@OscarUnrated Congratulations. You're a sucker who paid a corporation to remove an obstacle they put there specifically to charge you to remove it. Gonna tell me you bought WinRar next?
There was a point where I got the exact same ad over roughly 20 times over about 15 videos. 5 extra seconds of buffering will always beat having a helmans mayonnaise ad burned into my brain for all eternity.
@@GameCyborgCh Indeed, I like silence... so I'll patiently wait, could even watch a paint drying. There used to be one ad I had very often playing before my video of choice. I don't remember what it was for but it started several levels louder, with a young woman running in a flat towards the camera (perhaps in the kitchen kitchen) and shouting: Granny?! I didn't watch it any further. I always reloaded the page and it often worked to start playing the video itself.
I Used to whitelist certain youtubers on my addblock as a way to support them, until they came out on a livestream and said that youtube deosnt let them monetize videos because the content isnt ad friendly. RUclips still ran the ads, they just didnt pay the creator. Think ill stick to adblock.
Fun update. I'm a RUclips premium subscriber, have been since the RUclips Red days, and I'm also a Firefox user. I was also experiencing the slowdowns in the interface you talk about here. Well today, I get to my computer and RUclips just isn't loading at all. I refresh the page, and I get the blank dark mode screen with some greyed out tiles where my video recommendations usually appear. I tried a few times thinking I was having internet issues, but the same result. Finally, I was thinking "they couldn't be so stupid as to check for adblock before premium status, could they?" But sure enough, as soon as I disabled my adblock and refreshed, it worked perfectly. So they're not only making the experience miserable or useless for free users with adblock, but they aren't even checking to see if the adblock user is a premium member before killing their experience completely.
this could've all been avoided if youtube kept with the 30 second ads that could be skipped after 5, they never bothered me much and they weren't even bad ads. when you put several 15 second unskippable ads on things, now you've got a problem. if you're trying to watch a short clip or a listen to a soundbite or something, you might spend longer watching the adverts for it than the video you're waiting for 😭
you would not have a place in a corporate boardroom. it's not enough to make money. you have to make the most money you possibly can and then outperform that number next year or someone who can achieve this will get put in your spot. this is how you get to bs like this
does not help that US users seem to get super targeted ads, like how one of my trans friends constantly get ads for... religion or conservative anti-trans propaganda
I started hardcore adblocking about 12 years ago. A banner ad on RUclips actually triggered my antivirus, which shut down my browser and told me a attack on my machine had been prevented. (I was using Chrome back then, with ESet antivirus) This is the kind of thing you might expect on back-alley websites that have shady behavior from the onset. I was NOT expecting a attack/spyware banner from a premium website. Then, a few years ago, I started exploring how to ad-block the video ads themselves once I noticed RUclips didn't care about who or what was advertising. (Fake products, cheap Chinese knockoffs sold for high prices and bad products that could cause death) Thankfully, Brave does a great job just blocking everything out of the box with minimal tweaking. Further, RUclips has, in the last few years, been running AS MANY AS 6 ADS PER AD SEGMENT! That is a full 3 minutes of ads! Add to all of this, content creators are constantly under attack by RUclips. I'll block everything on this website and watch as long as Brave can keep up with their hypocrisy.
I started hardcore blocking around the same time, maybe another year longer or so. Can't remember exactly, but it was a banner ad from TvTropes that nuked my computer so hard that it ended up frying the motherboard. I took online security _WAY_ more seriously after that. _Multiple_ adblockers, noscript, just about everything. Google has the power to vet their damn ads that use their own service. Instead they'd rather declare war on people _trying not to lose their machines or livlihoods_ and run the site as hypocritically as possible, attacking users and creators alike over whatever they feel like while never holding advertisers to _any_ standards, let alone the same rigorous ones. Frankly, RUclips doesn't _deserve_ ad revenue.
The trigger for me to start adblocking wasn't quite so major; I simply had an unskippable add... That was literally over an hour long. I was able to refresh the page, watch two ads (since this was after they started doubling up on pre-video ads), and watch the entire video I was waiting to watchall before that first ad would have finished- before it would've been _half_ done. At that point, I decided that I'd had enough. If RUclips gave that little of a shit about my time, I'd show them the same amount of respect for their ads.
Correct, RUclips has basically failed its audience. They have forgotten the business model of catering ads to the right people and respecting boundaries. They are borderline abusive at this point, so I have no regrets nor any guilt in using ad blocks on their ad fuelled hard dicks.
@@GreatFox42- nobody did. It's just one of _"those stories"_ that people tell others. RUclips doesn't serve 1 hour long adverts * 😂 * that are non-skippable
Admittedly I'm somewhat in the "Google sells all my information, I'm not giving them more money/information that easy" camp. However I would be FAR more willing to open my wallet, if it wasn't for the fact that I've been on RUclips since 2005 (this account is almost as old as RUclips), and there is no other site that I've seen consistently devolving into shitty, predatory, consumer-unfriendly trash over the last decade. This goes far before this recent anti-adblock wave, this goes to "why is the search results one list of videos, when it used to show 10+ results on a single screen in 2007? Why can't I search for a specific thing, without the results being random "people also watched" trash after scrolling down once?" I could write an essay, but paying Google wouldn't fix any of it. I'd be paying Google for a shittier, blatantly anti-consumer product than I experienced 10+ years ago. I could afford to pay Google for this shitty product, but ain't gonna happen. They can improve the product or ban my account, either is preferable to paying for them to spit in my face. Already backed up everything related to Google services I need
Don't forget how they shove tangentially-relevant "news" from "authorative sources" like NBC , ABC , MSNBC , FOX even when you search for a video from specific creator using the exact name of it.
Agreed. Should be top pinned comment tbh. From a customer signalling perspective what does it mean to google that if after making their product shitter they got more paying customers? That's the completely wrong way to get a business to get better. If they made premium the old version of youtube we all loved with improved feeds ands features, word of mouth would get even those that use ad block to pay. Also, should come with the promise of not being farmed for data. I'm either the customer or the product. No double dipping
Very well put, buying premium wouldnt solve most of the problems RUclips has these days. I will gladly pay if i could have dislikes, searching being decent and if RUclips wouldnt censor controversial topics
Work harder to spite people and not to make the site better, way to go youtube. Spite really is a good motivator but it goes both ways, they will see soon I'm sure.
And they wonder why they are losing money if you make a service better people will want to use and will pay for it but if you make it worse then say pay and we will make it suck less NOBODY will want to do that and will do ANYTHING to avoid it
Reminds me of Nintendo and it's sheer arrogance and animosity towards it's customers. Shuts down eshop cutting off lots of old games with no way to legally buy them other than off scalpers, and then has to cheek to tell customers not to turn to piracy.
The ironic thing is that the people waiting 5 seconds for their video to load are still wasting less time than the people waiting for the 15 second unskippable ads to finish.
Regardless if this war against adblockers is justified on RUclips's part or not, one thing they absolutely need to be doing at the same time is improving QoL for regular users. The lack of quality control and quality of life is what even started the large demand for adblockers in the first place. I used to watch YT without adblock many years ago, but over time I really grew to hate ads for 1) having imbalanced audio with the video and blasting my ears, 2) being many many minutes long FORCING me to get up or stop what I was doing (say kitchen work) and get to my phone, clean my fingers and skip the ad, 3) obnoxious, sexualized, scammy ads which had clearly not undergone any semblance of quality checks. I could probably add a couple more factors, but I imagine I'm not the only one with a similar background.
The audio issue you are referring to used to be called "normalization" and I had a TV from the 90s that put a sound ceiling in as well as boosting low noise to keep it at a "normal" level. That shit went away real fast, I assume advertisers killed it. I would also assume their is software that can do this on a computer. VLC media player has a function to do it for movies. It works really well.
@@CommanderRiker0 It isn't really normalization, it is more using compression to get more perceived loudness out of the audio. The effect is also known as loudness war. And of course you can compress all of your other audio, to get the same perceived loudness and then have a constant loudness level, that you can regulate, but that goes at the cost of audio quality and dynamic range. If you can live with that, it can be an option. I had that working on the whole sound output on a linux system once, but I never found a convenient way to do this on Windows, apart from having a sound card, coming with a feature like that.
Ways google can convince me to give them money: - No censorship. - I can watch whoever I want. - Don't remove old content. - No addiction algorithm shenanigans. - Fair share to whoever I watch. - Tools to manage "watch later" better.
What does "no censorship" mean? So it is ok for you, if someone is uploading porn your child can see or videos of suicide bombers yelling something about their God? Because this does "no censorship" exactly mean. Everyone is allowed to do everything.
Which is the biggest problem Ways google can convince people to give them their hard earn Videos for Views and their ads profits : -- Free uploads ( 1/100 or 1gb of space being filled up ) or ( 1M users will be breaking the bank ) -- Free live steams -- No Cooldowns -- Free hard drive space to upload as much as you want What would be better Less uploads for free -- Live steams should be done few times a day not for 2 mouths -- Cheaper RUclips plan - students has to do is 2 mouths of it and they pay the same price for 2x the plans than 1x for people
@@WhereIsTheSpartan Don't be inane. We both know they're referring to political content silencing. They NEVER once implied illegal content should be allowed on the site.
@@bluegamer4210 lmao L take - No censorship at all would be horrible, lest Twitter happen again, but as is the platform's censorship is much too authoritarian - You accidentally click on one video you DID NOT want to watch and suddenly your entire suggestion feed is littered with that topic (and the "Not Interested" button doesn't always help), how is that a good thing? - The point wasn't about blocking ads, it's about giving those creators a reasonable cut of the profit Google's getting from the money you're paying them
My main issue with all of this lies with the fact that RUclips is spending a bunch of time and ressources fighting adblockers and trying to figure out how to make the experience for people using them more miserable, but they don't seem to be willing to waste a penny on addressing the actual complaints people voice, the reason why so many (including me) use adblockers in the first place. Ad quality control is terrible. From hypersexualised ads over blatant false advertisement all the way to literal scams and phishing links, RUclips has got it all. No one seems to give a shit what is being advertised, so long as you give them the money they ask for to play your ad. The amount of ads has periodically increased as well. We went from having one ad at the beginning, one at the end and one or two throughout a 15 to 20 minute video to having unskippable double ads before and after each video, as well as double ads throughout the video in differing amounts (sometimes you only get two throughout the entire video, other times you get 4 in the first 5 minutes alone). Ads have also gotten more aggressive (they pull you out of the comment section and straight back to the screen, on mobile many even cover your entire screen) and more and more ads nowadays are completely unskippable on top of that, not to mention the algorithm heavily favors unskippable ads to play as the first ad of the double advertisement block. There is also a point to be made about kids content being heavily targetted by ads. Any video that gets flagged by RUclips as "for kids" will very likely play significantly more ads than normal, said ads are usually betweem 20 and 30 seconds of length with no skip option and there is no comment section to distract yourself with, nor can you minimize the video and keep scrolling while waiting for the ad to finish. Oh and what a coincidence that RUclips increases the premium prices accross the board right as they start to crack down on adblockers. Oh and can we talk about premium in general for a second? There is so much unnecessary shit in there that is just blasted in for RUclips to justify the high price tag. I do not care about RUclips Music, nor background video player, nor downloading videos and offline viewing- I just want to get rid of the ads. Why can't they just offer a $5 a month subscription service that gets rid of the ads and nothing else? I'd pay for that. I will not pay $20+ a month though for a bunch of stuff I will never use in the first place.
RUclips hasn't even provided a way to disable auto-play when watching a video in a play-list and since watch-later counts as a play-list this is extremely annoying and I have complained about it for almost 10 years now not to mention there is no "delete all" function or any useful tools for curating your watch later ( apart from "remove watched" ) so if you accidentally added like a thousand videos in your watch-later you have to painstakingly remove them one at a time or just not use that feature any-more personally I just use bookmarks but there is so many features that would be effortless to implement that people have been requesting for many years and yet they will decide to remove dislikes despite the colossal overwhelming backlash against that decision. RUclips is making it easier and easier for a new competitor to compete as they are lowering peoples standards the bar to enter gets lower and lower both creators and consumers get fed up and seek out new platforms and as we speak I bet someone somewhere is for selfish or altruistic reasons trying to create a better website.
What can we expect? Google is too cheap to even pay for decent advertising quality because all of that revenue is used to line the pockets of google's greedy CEOs.
@@GAHAHAHH the barriers to entry are huge, even youtube is said to be not profitable because of the huge bandwidth costs, and to a lesser extent, storage costs
Also on RUclips tv (for stuff like Roku and fire tv) the end of video ads literally stop you from browsing during the ad, unlike mobile or browser which you can scroll. So I can’t see related videos, like the video, or go to the channel if the video outro ends too quick.
Twitch tried this already. Adblock folks beat them. It doesn't matter how many millions of dollars these companies throw at these systems, their opponents are too numerous and determined.
So Twotch's solition was to embed those crap Ads INTO THE STREAM DATA. The experience is so shit i basically never watch some Twotch streams and solely go for the VODs they put elsewhere.
Wrong. Plain and simple. Do you think ad blocking extensions have tried to block Hulu, Netflix, Peacock, etc. for their ad supported services? They have. They can't do it. Amazon and Google simply haven't decided to go down that road...yet. But if they do, yes, it will be a way that ads can't be blocked. Google's engineers are WAY smarter and their multi-6 figure salaries are way more motivating for them to succeed than the volunteers at uBlock. People for some reason ignorantly thin that this is RUclips's "end game" war against ad blockers. It's not. This is the FIRST salvo.
TBH they didn't back out, you still in fact get the ads that people moaned about of yes in fact 3-5 unskippable ads nearly every stream you click on. making you miss up to 4-7 mins of content of that stream not bad when the streamer takes a break but when a funny moment happens fully annoying since the only way to watch what you miss is a vod clip of it or watch the stream not fully live what means you can't really talk in the chat since by time you send your message everyone would of moved on by then. Anyways, the internet does what it does, and forgets after like 2 weeks of the news/drama of the week/day and so twitch wasn't really beaten just that adblockers the only way to stop twitch ads. If you even have prime but even then you can still get them from time to time since you need to sub to that channel your watching to remove ads fully without a adblocker what sure prime gives you 1 free sub but overall many people watch more then one creator so thats a lot of money to just avoid ads on twitch down the drain. TBH the one free sub more feels like a mobie game where they make it seems all nice at the start but then rope you in to spending money to keep it being all nice.
As soon as they announced the adblock stuff I downloaded a third-party app with more features than premium that runs better and costs me nothing. I also stopped watching RUclips on my PC entirely. So all this change did was take a 10+ year user and turn them into a bandwidth leech. Truly a masterful move on their part.
What’s frustrating is that if they just offered ad free for like $5-$6 and drop the forced RUclips music or make it an additional tier, they would have a lot more Premium subscribers than they do now.
I very much agree with this, I watch youtube on my smart tv sometimes, and there's no easy way to block ads on that, so I begrudgingly deal with them (although I will say the ad quality you get on TV is noticeably better than on other platforms), but if premium wasn't so damn expensive I would happily be paying for it, $14/mo is just way too steep for what is mostly a mild annoyance on a platform I don't use very much.
@@jarbarsi i saw the ads my parents get on their TV - not a single one of them is a scam product or some weirdly sexual nonsense and they use my Google account. Google can clearly distinguish between devices and for some reason, they deliver garbage adverts to users who aren't on a smart TV. If they just served me ads that normal human beings are ok with I'd be fine, but every advert is some AI reading the script for products that don't exist... I've used an adblocker since their inception because, well, limewire generation, but I've found myself watching certain compilations of old content on other video-hosting sites just to spite YT even tho they may also have them uploaded. It's insane that the only thing driving RUclips's competitors to success is how badly RUclips is being managed and how many people are choosing to not use it solely because they hate the people running it. Oh, and like, political extremists needing a place to upload their weirdness.
I had to make some real mental gymnastics to explain 18€ a month for my premium and now they are rising price, completely making me cancel. Such greedy stupid move from them.
I disabled my ad blocker just to test this thing out, and I got an 8-minute video of a deep fake Elon Musk trying to get me to sign up for his investment service (on a Zoom call with a deepfake Jack Dorsey and two people I didn't recognize). I watched all 8 minutes as I was fascinated, but it's really funny when these services try to act like Ad blocks are the security risk and not the other way around.
Some people are crazy enough to pay money to shout at you, live streams for example. If we or those we elect by subscribing, had any control over the ads or the ability to interact with other peoples ads then it might have some inherent meaning. Until then ads are just in the way of affiliate links and special tagging.
@@poika22 imagine you did the same as a one man shop. promoting a scam. you would be out of business pretty soon. and yet google is allowed to do this somehow because they have no resources of checking every single add? makes no sense
@@poika22The Elon Musk scam ads are going crazy. I kept seeing a BBC deepfake about "Elon Musk finding a new investment opportunity". Reported it to Google 3 times and they said there's nothing wrong with the ad every time. Haven't seen it in few days, wonder if my report directly to BBC did the trick :P
I think the worst thing about RUclips forcing ads is a majority of the ads are for scams. Like game ads showing "real gameplay footage" of stuff that isn't even in the game, or "big tech tried to take out this inventor but he wants to help the world so buy this" ad, or the best is the choppy/blurry webcam of "elon musk" talking in a monotone robotic voice telling you the "secrets to becoming rich."
This 100 times. I don't mind seeing ads on Instagram because they have referred me to genuinely useful products so many times it's quite surprising to me as someone who has detested ads since I was a little child watching annoying TV ads.
Fun fact, i WAS a paying customer, I've been for 3 years, and I've cancelled the subscription because YT premium / YT music started sucking. Since I wasn't getting anymore what I was paying for, I just stopped giving google money, as apparently they aren't even able or interesented in keeping their paying audience and their service above the minimum line, thus their "pay us in money or by watching ads, or get an even worse experience" feels even more like coercion.
@@accountnotfound420995% of people dont use adblocker (this is worst case scenario, usually 99% of people dont use ad blocks) and if your BUSINESS relies on those 5%, that means something is seriously wrong with your business or you are just greedy
@@accountnotfound4209Do they tho? At some point, people will interact less and less with the ads. So they will basically be shooting themselves in the foot if they overplay the ad card...
@@ChristopherHailey Corporations are still run by people, it's still people making decisions, AI did not yet substitute the executives, even though I think they should the first to lose their jobs.
I watch stuff on youtube because I have to, not because I want to. RUclips are a scumbag corporation and not one I want to support. Though I do find myself watching the channels I like elsewhere whenever possible.
@@planescaped Bro they also make mad money off of selling our personal data. Do you have a Gmail account? Every single email is scanned for content they can sell. Use Android? Shit, everything you do is sent to Google so they can sell you.
I kinda wish you were still running repair things. I went to a local shop back when i was in Tulsa OK because my charging port went out on my pixel 3 xl, told them it was the charging port due to my own testing but i don't have the tools or time to take out every component to get to the board for the charging port, and the teenager behind the desk says “charging issues? Oh it's probably your battery.” I looked him dead in the face and tried to explain that it probably wasn't the battery, and was the usb c port assembly. They said they'd replace the battery, i threw up my hands and said fine, all i wanted was to get pictures of me and my partner off of it anyway, i already had a new phone. If they put a full charge battery in it i could just ftp the photos. They put a battery in, turn it on, and leave it on a charger, low and behold it's dead when i go to pick it up from them. I tell them it's the god damn isb c port, they say “oh... Well we'll replace that then”. I never saw that phone again. The store got bought out and the new owner couldn't find my phone in inventory. There goes all my music, pictures of me and someone I'll never see again, app development things, and my home RAID array failed catastrophically too so i lost all my backups. tl;dr repair shops are scams and suck
On behalf of repair shop owners everywhere, I am sorry you had that experience. Business owners like that make our entire profession look bad. For every one like that though, there are the dedicated ones that bend over backwards to make every customer happy. I hope you have better experiences in the future and I am sorry you had that experience with one of us.
@@rossmanngroup honestly it just pushed me to buy more screwdriver bits, a heat gun, and some suction things to take apart my own hardware going forward. I'm not going to pay someone money knowing that it's a 50/50 if it actually gets done correctly anymore.
@@SignalRaptor_ It's funny because I can change a screen faster than a shop would get it done, so there's not even a convenience reason for me to use them anymore
*A lot of people don't know, but I remember over 7 years ago, in one of RUclips channel videos, RUclips THEMSELVES were using AdBlock when right click on their mouse (in one of their tutorials) they had in their pop up window an AdBlock plug-in, it seems obvious for a company that is trying to fight against it, but it has been maybe a decade ago and RUclips never did anything until now, which I am not sure why this long, maybe the previous regime were smarter?*
You know when ads are ok? When you can see where they are (the good old yellow bars), when they don't disrupt the flow of the video (which they do, popping up in the most bullshit moments), when they aren't invasive (which they are, because the topics they cover are sensitive) and when they are limited (which they aren't, because they even allow HOURS of ads. And not just "good" ads, but a lot of scams and complete horseshit). Until RUclips becomes a respectable company with legitimate practices, transparency and honesty the ONLY moral and ethical choice is to use adblockers. They don't like it? Too bad.
Yeah... The ads are ridiculous. The types they show (scams, viruses). The amount (5 at the start, skippable or otherwise), 5 at the midrolls and the worst of all 5 whenever the quality drops and you have to readjust it (which may aswell be deliberate). Oh and 5 if you try skipping ahead. Ofcourse people go for adblockers. Even with the frickin delay, it's preferable over their ads! Because its way more intrusive and obnoxious.
At this point I'm more doing this as a form of protest. If google and yt actually moderate their ads, I whitelist my adblockers. If they gave users or actual representatives of the community a voice on decisions like removing dislikes, I'd be less rebellious. If dislikes return, then I'd consider us even. If they had an actual functional support page and system, I MAY consider premium. If they stop making it easy for their creators to dox themselves through their copyright system to nefarious actors, I WILL consider premium. If they will stop selling my data with premium, I will buy premium. Simple as that. They are a monopoly. I don't care if they're legally right to treat us like shit, they're not a small business. QoL and our basic rights/expectations should be met and maintained. Not degraded in the name of some CEO/board woke utopian wet dream.
Yes, yt is very hostile to their content creators and commenters, and the bias in yt is to the communist side for sure. In my mind, an honest company shouldn't have bias and absolutely not towards communism and wokeness. I don't want to be teached how to think and what to believe by yt. Exactly like I do not want to be teached how to think and what to believe by my government.
I dont how many times i have got " My computer got a virus but all i do is youtube." YT Ads have MALWARE now Louis is being an idiot if he thinks we will EVER stop blocking ADS EVEN EFFING PREMIUM HAS ADS NOW. Louis and YT can go suck each other off.
Everyone who watches this channel should consider 1) running librewolf 2) installing a canvas blocking extension 3) installing ublock origin 4) installing a ping blocker 5) having separate browsers for separate uses, that block unnecessary cookies otherwise. Most of you already do this
@@rossmanngroup I am doing most of these things already but I hadn't heard of librewolf before your last video. I'll need to look into it once a funeral has been dealt with.
I wasn't that tech savvy to the point of blocking everything. There's probably a good chunk of people like me in the middle who don't know enough but know more than the average user. So I can say from my own experience that this whole situation is slowly teaching me all these things. People like me are the people who Google are going to miss; the group of people who will go out of there way to learn this stuff because this was the last straw.
I honestly don't care about the slowdown. If the ads were still 5 seconds max it might make me switch off the blocker, but I would much rather wait 5 seconds to load than watch the two 30 second unskippable ads I seem to get on every 10 minute video.
RUclips FORCED us to use Ad blockers, because there were longer and longer ads, more and more ads, ads in the middle of 3 min videos, 3-4 ads in a 10+ videos, if they showed 15 sec ad for every 10 video you watched, you wouldnt need an ad block. Also, the amount of censoring and blocking of videos, have the algorythm have changed for the worse. Everything is becoming worse and worse, and why would you continue to support someone that gives worse user experience, but still demand more and more from the customers???
There was this invention a whole bunch of years ago. It was called (in its abbreviated form) VCR. Initially folks used them to record stuff for when they weren't going to be home. But, since in 1978 the regulated amount ads per 30- and 60-minute primetime shows was abolished (the limit was 5 and 10 minutes respectively), the NBC, CBS, and ABCs of the world started thinking, hey, what's another 30 seconds of ads? It's not much. And pretty soon every show no matter its length resembled a New York City subway car with all the sardines jammed in. So, folks started recording their Monday shows and watching them on Tuesday. But, hey, what about the Tuesday show? Well, folks bought 2nd tvs so they could record Tuesday upstairs while they watched Monday in the living room. And when the ads came on, they hit that wonderful button labeled FF - fast forward. My mom had 3 tvs and VCRs in her house for the last 25 years of her life. If I had forgotten to set a show to record, I'd call her up and ask her, hey, mom, please record CHEERS, CSI, NCIS, or any of the other ones on regular channels. If they hadn't jammed in so many ads into the shows, nobody would have really bothered to FF through them. Watching ALL IN THE FAMILY was not a painful experience ad-wise (it was actually pain free no matter what). Shows were written (just like they are now) to account for the ad-breaks. The dramatic moments take place such that the ad-break doesn't mess it up. I joke about how when TOS - The Original StarTrek - went into syndication which meant more ads in the 60 minutes and things got cut, that it ended up with situations like KIrk goes to kiss the alien babe of the week and bam! cut to commercial. I recall when SciFi channel first started (late 90's iirc) they announced with great fanfare that they were going to show the original Trek UNCUT! I thought, great, only 10 minutes of ads just like when it first ran and we see all the action. Nope. They didn't do it like that. It wouldn't be prudent. What did they do? They stuff another 30 minutes of ads and made it a 90-minute experience. I said no, Hommie don't play that game (I don't recall right now when In Living Color was on, but my point stands, I didn't watch any of it). Sorry, I got on a roll. Thanks for reading.
@@bikeny Luckily i don't live in the US with the insane amount of ads and the ads they allow on tv there is insane, like the only country in the world that promote "medicine" or pills. But still here in Norway i don't watch tv because of ads every 25 min. And i think ads are a big reason why people don't watch that much TV anymore. But they blame streaming for the decline, but people want to stream to get what they want without the ads. but that experience is going to shit too, so people start to pirate more again. Give people a good experience and people will gladly pay. I refuse to pay for youtube because of their insane greed and policy. People would flee from youtube as soon as there was a good competitor, but when you have monopoly over a market you can do whatever you want.
Perfectly happy for this arms race to continue. RUclips can keep pushing ads and adblock devs can keep finding ways around it. If RUclips finally wins for good then maybe I'll be more productive and happy as a person but until then I'll do whatever I want on my computer with the data they freely chose to send to me.
When I see how bad the experience is for people who haven’t learned how to block ads... I’m sure that I wouldn’t be on the platform if that was the RUclips experience.
youtube has already won they effecitly incresed the value of youtube premium by messing up with adblock users And in the process got rid of many people who used ad block you and me we will use it and find ways, but most people in their 40s and casual viewers will not bother aka the vast majorety
the funny thing is that they'd have to create a 15-240 second delay in order for it to even start being as bad as just using youtube without an adblocker, and even then, that delay isn't loud and obnoxious and potentially dangerous
The biggest issue for youtube (and why I can't see them getting away from this in any positive way) is the fact that instead of working on making the paid option better and more attractive so you actually want to pay for youtube premium, they instead work on making the normal experience worse as you said. legal or not is a different argument and arguing its illegal is silly, but it is a very bad look for them, especially if you're a longtime user of youtube (be that as viewer or creator). Back before 2010 you had no ads on youtube, you had a dislike button, everything was more free and less corporate. Now if you want no ads (the rest won't magically change back) you have to pay to get the experience you had for free years ago? Why would I ever do that? No one in their right mind would ever do that, no company that actually values its potential customers does that. That's also part of the problem, from the start youtube does not you see you as a potential customer but as a potential product, encouraging the use of blockers because no one likes being seen as just a product. Truly it is dystopian corporate hellhole we live in
They should tighten their ad quality control rules to block any inappropriate, scam and malicious ads instead of limiting the important features. If there are no scam or malicious ads, all the user would be OK to take off the ad blocker
Most internet users are entitled nowadays simple as that , data and ads are the “payment”’for free services, now theres a moral stance for paid services that continue to steal data, theres plenty of alternatives to RUclips no one forces you to use it ,just like nobody forced you to subscribe to Netflix ect. Nothing in the world is free. Cheap money is gone it time to cut costs and increase revenue also nowadays RUclips,meta are competing to a money losing platform called tiktok
What kind of argument is that? You're not entitled to AD free RUclips. 🤣 RUclips is a business and if more and more people use adblock which cuts into their revenue and creators revenue they have every right morally and legally to do so. And if you argue that it's morally incorrect then so is the use of Adblock.
@JaeJae95 people also weren't entitled to pirate their games, yet it still happened and basically got solved when steam offered a service that was more convienient then piracy
I don't agree with this being ok as a business. Them trying to be sneaky about it just to make the service worse and make their competitor look bad is not ok. If a message appeared for 5 seconds on the screen saying: "Free user. Wait 5 seconds." on any browser that would be ok. But they're just trying to make it look like a slow browser problem, and most people aren't gonna notice the "special sauce code" running in the background. They're not being transparent about it, and are forcing you to use their own browser which is monopolistic and against the law.
I get why content sharing sites aren't held accountable for content people post on it, but they should be liable for the ads, if there's a scam ad from another country or a perpetrator who declared bankruptcy and is judgement proof, you should be able to sue Google directly and make them pay.
I recently noticed that (at least on the mobile app, I don't know for desktop) the skip button on double ads has been replaced with a "next" button, bringing you to the second ad. If YT wants people to sit through ads, they should not follow up an adblocker-block with making the ad experience worse. But that's just my opinion.
Until a couple years ago, I never used an adblocker. The only reason I started using one to begin with was because constantly getting focus-killing midrolls during important moments, of wildly varying length, and of questionable legitimacy, if any at all. Again, I was fine with seeing ads, until I got "Why is my mom so obsessed with that zucchini?", ads for magic mushrooms which I know are illegal where I live, and "female hypnosis techniques not suited for weak-minded men". I'm allowed to be mad about this because I was constantly given scams instead of an actual damn product.
@@bluegamer4210 uh no- monetized creators *used* to be able to choose WHEN ads would play- which RUclips took away recently for "automated Algorithmic BS ad control"- but they never had control over what sorts of ads youtube plays.
I have to wonder, do they even vet the content of these ads? Was there ever any mechanism to report an offensive or scammy ad? Thanks to adblock, I don't need to know the answers but I am just curious
I'm a fringe case, but I pay youtube monthly via memberships to youtube channels that are primarily focused on streaming. In the time they've spent on this adblock crusade, the streaming side of youtube has been a CONSTANT mess of streams and chat completely breaking, on both the user and streamer's side, in completely new ways every month. Literally the only new feature they've added all year has been the emote spam button from tiktok, which no one asked for. I am an actual paying customer, and they've made it abundantly clear they still don't care, so I will continue to do everything in my power to not give them a single scrap of ad or data collection revenue.
They built a system near equal to Twitch during the RUclips vs Twitch time, as soon as they got praise for it from the community and enough people multicasting/swapping over they stopped caring. This is Google's MO, they buy up ideas, run them into the dirt, then move on. The fact no one else seems to notice this fact is weird, we did see Linus and others mention it with Google Domains and other such services... but that's only because of the wide-reach it finally has, no one cared when it only reached 5% of the world's population.
I literally have YT Premium and had an issue last month where the platform straight up wouldn't load; after eventually getting through to customer service, I was told to download Chrome (with the assertion that other browsers aren't actually compatible with the platform), and completely uninstall any adblockers I had on any web browser I was using. When I refused to do so, I was told that "failing to perform all troubleshooting steps" meant that the support agent would not help me any further. They don't care about paying customers either.
My personal problem with this entire thing is the general trend that these changes establish. You providing free value and trying your best to make your service convenient means if you want to continue, you have to provide a better service. I fully back up and support this model. It is a good will and respect model. RUclips goes in the opposite direction. It takes features away from the end user and charges money for things that were previously free. If they want to continue, they will keep making their product shittier and/or charge more for existing features. We're already seeing this in a lot of other companies (Netflix taking away account sharing for ex.) and even within RUclips itself with the recent price increase. This is an insidious model that is based on the company trying to eek out as much value as it can from the paying customer. As long as people keep accepting, they will never stop demanding more for the same service. Which is why in my view these companies MUST be opposed.
They just milk franchises until people despise it. Happened with a lot of mobile games like angry birds. They took their first game away from the store because it was too good and too cheap compared to new ones. Companies don’t want to make you happy. If you like them, that’s just something they can make profit with when they need to.
You're definitely right about milking existing services... I mean I can't even add a video to a queue nowadays 🤬 right around the time they took that away was around the same time I was considering getting premium 😂 they screwed the pooch on that one.
Same with Strava. It used to have lots of free features that they have been moving to the paid version over the years. Well, that's for sure a way not to get my money.
The thing you said about making people want to pay you, made me realise YT caused the adblock issue by making ads more intrusive and annoying instead of going after adblock users in the first place. They probably pushed people to adblockers until they had no other choice. Maybe if they did that originally they would have earned more money and not pushed youtubers to 3rd party ads/sponsors which gets them nothing.
It seems clear that all big tech companies think consumers are dumb as rocks. I love it when people like you expose them to the general public keep it up!
The sad truth is that out of the 7 billion people on earth, maybe 500 million can be called computer literate, the rest are parrots just copying what they've seen others do.
I would have been happy to watch ads if they had them in sidebar, 1 skippable ad etc, but when YT started putting multiple unskippable ads in front and in middle of videos was when I started using adblock. Sorry not sorry YT, you did this. And even if they make the product worse for me, that is honestly prefereable option to watching 15 seconds of unskippable ad to me, addittedly, out of spite
idk if anyone ever buys a product that RUclips advertise i would never buy anything that is on here maybe amazon or hell if I am desperate temu never anything they show on here tbh (because of all the scams)
The main issue is really that this is more a failure of youtube's marketing and ad implementation teams than anything else. There's clear data that people are willing to watch ads, provided they never reach the point where they make the service experience poorer. There's also clear data that you catch more flies with honey. The guy who shamelessly leeches is an anomaly, rather than the norm. Until you act like youtube or twitch to everyone and create thousands of them by making people pay for poor service.
The second people start actually accepting premium youtube is when they'll start double dipping with ads as well. RUclips has earned no good will. For me to even consider supporting them, they'd have to either work more to promote independent content creators over corporate channels or fix the copyright strike system.
The actual implication is that RUclips has absolutely no intention of improving its paid service model to motivate customers to pay for it, but they will purposefully waste time and money degrading the service to those that won't or can't. And they will run code on your device to do it...
I mean, there are extra bells and whistles to premium, but, the issue I take with youtube premium, is its either youtube music, or youtube premium. Cut music out of the premium service and its like 4 bucks a month. A TOTALLY reasonable ask for never seeing ads again. I would not mind paying 4 bucks and knowing that a portion of that goes to the creators I watch. I spend an unhealthy amount of time on youtube listening due to how astronomically boring my job is. But the fact they want me to pay almost 15 bucks a month is just a no from me.
Would happily pay for it in a heartbeat if I knew the money was being used to fund more servers, and pay the creators. But I'm not dropping 9 bucks a month so that RUclips can pocket 8.50$ of it, while continuing to DMCA take down dozens of channels for ultimately, non-issues.. like using 10 seconds of music in their video. Or shut down channels, or content strike creators like Louis, they're even censoring dislikes and peoples comments too. And I'm definitely not considering it now after they've shown how they treat people with adblockers.
Yeah. They’re making their base product worse in order to push their premium. They’re selling a solution to a problem they’re making. Thats what makes this frustrating to me. I don’t really want to pay for something when it feels like I’m being coerced into paying for it.
As someone who listens to YT more than he watches it, it's not the unskippable ads that annoy me. It's the skippable ones that are otherwise several minutes long. I have to drop what I'm doing and skip the sob story of the more efficient heater scam or the grunts and groans of the click-bait game ads.
Seriously, those ads are a pain in the ass. I don’t really mind 5-15 second ads, i’d even sometimes let the skippable 15-20 second ads run… But I really badly started using adblockers when those fucking 1 to 30 minute skippable ads started popping up. Screw them.
I fundamentally agree. I think this whole thing makes YT and Google look incredibly petty, and I think it's ultimately self-defeating. Do they realistically believe they're beating the adblock developers? Honestly, if YT premium were £5 a month I think I'd be happy to pay it. £13 a month is ridiculously overpriced.
A reasonable subscription fee on YT should be "pay for data" just like with mobile phones. People that sit on YT for hours can pay more than people who just follow a few creators.
Same, YT subscription costs more than a lot of streaming TV services and yet those TV streams are creating very expensive content for their subscribers. RUclips is just a hosting service, they don't create jackshit. About £5 a month would be in the area I'd be prepared to pay
@@Avo7bProject Hell, it could even be a package like "pay x to watch y channels without ads per month". And be a rather small amount, something that would resemble the amount a creator would get for one adview. Would also discourage creators just trying to spam content, since it would not matter if they produce one video per month or 100.
I hate ads and will DO WHAT EVER I HAVE TO TO GET RID OF ADS. Even if I have to get a whole God Damn computer Science degree in order to figure out how to blocks ads for the world.
My main problem is that google has offered such a depreciating level of care and attention to their own platform in terms of features and community issues. I don't go to the extreme as some of your audience, they get my data but not my ad watch unless it's a creator I value enough to go through that for them. Honestly if RUclips Premium was actually a value ad service and competitive relative to ad blocker I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I'll always argue that is my problem. I love this platform but they keep making it difficult to want to be a paying customer. It sucks and I don't really know what to do other than use ad block and advocate for them to make changes that would lead to me being a paying customer. I'm not mad at their behavior, I'm just disappointed.
I would pay just for the adblock. But nooooo, we have to pay for the entire service or nothing at all. I don't want the bells an whistles, I don't want youtube tv, I don't want youtube music, but they force you into it.
This. Google's been shoving a lot of ads and always the same / bad ones. Meanwhile content creators have... received less and less payouts from google and google will just randomly not pay and there's zero accountability. Creators have to take on sponsors and create advertisements WITHIN THEIR OWN CONTENT to be able to afford to keep doing their job because google, the multibillion company that is supposedly their business partner / pseudo-employer decides they just shouldn't be paid more than a few % of what they get from the content. Just yesterday i watched a video by cody's lab - in which he revealed that after 3.5 years he finally had a "temporary hold" on all the payouts for his content cleared because he got a bunch of help from friends (also content creators) to finally get him through to youtube. He will finally be getting paid (hasn't received it yet, so who knows). RUclips is using my data to earn money and content creator's copyrighted content to earn money but neither giving the user a decent experience nor treating their "suppliers" fair is any priority. And then they have the gall to actively invest in blocking adblockers to prop up a premium (as in known to be several times more income for them) service because they apparently feel they deserve even more money.
@@goldenhate6649Same. I just want the one RUclips man. I don't even listen to music. What am I going to do with music premium. I didn't even know that existed before.
totally agree if their site moderation was not one of the most corrupt and crappy ones out there ... as well if the ads werent that annoying or straight up scam/fraud/nsfw and invasive ... but no as it is i will never disable adblock
There is a word for RUclips's reaction to adblockers: "floundering." Or perhaps, "flailing." It is common in companies that do not look ahead far enough.
Dude as a business owner myself and as a repair business myself, I completely 100% agree with you and I have always run my business the same way. Phone support is 100% free and I will help my customer to the ends of the Earth without running a service call. 100% because they are my good paying customers. I am with you 100%!
I get what you're saying, and you're right, RUclips can do whatever they want in this regard, but that doesn't mean we can't complain. If we can make the service better for ourselves, why not complain? If RUclips was a nice company that had built good will by always making decisions in favour of its customers, I wouldn't complain. But RUclips sucks. They consistently make the platform worse for everyone and show absolutely no care for people. So, why play fair? Honestly, don't waste you're time sticking up for them, they'll always be scummy and if we can hope to improve that through complaining and moaning, then I say that's the thing to do. That said, it doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the video though, you're very easy to listen to and entertaining regardless. Oh and one last thing, ad lock users can still be customers through membership, superchats, and other donations, so it's really no where near as black and white as you might make it sound, and yes also data (I don't care about them having my data, I know they take it, and I know it's still profit, so I reserve my right to complain anyway). So yeah I'm gonna complain no matter what until RUclips suddenly becomes a nice company.
As someone that’s literally worked in the adtech industry as a senior systems engineer, they are absolutely “stealing” your data via cookie tracking, viewing metrics, and other browser meta data that they use to massage ads based on a demographic and location.
That's true and what's worse the phones are reading our thoughts. Almost everyday I see very specific topics I've thought abt in the ads or recommend videos. I've experienced it for years. We are stalked and spied on and they still want more.
@@TejubescDMyou are trolling, right? Edit: To all the people agreeing phones are reading our thoughts: you are ignorant fools with no understanding of words and their meanings. To all the people saying they are spying on us: you are kids, right? It's been a well known fact for at least a decade, that phones record everything you say. It's literally written in terms and conditions... I hope you are all kids, because the fact many of you wrote to "correct" and "educate" me, yet none of you said anything to the guy claiming phones are reading our thoughts, it's pretty worrying and shows a clear lack of understanding of reality. That's why people used to say stay in school kids, because if you don't you'll end up saying phones are reading your thoughts, and other dumb individuals like you will agree and defend your statement.
How is viewing metrics stealing data? Isn’t that just data about how you use the product? What is being stolen here? Cookie tracking I could understand
@@TejubescDM did an experiment with a couple of friends 4 years ago. we put our smartphones on a table and decided to talk about washing mashines for the whole night. the next day one of my friends had mostly adds for washing mashines. he threw his smartphone away and went back to using an older model.
I was getting those 5 second delays on firefox. Needless to say, I prefer this over an ad. I thought it was just my wifi acting up, but seeing this explains a lot. I'm guessing they want to see how many people would transition over to different browsers or turn off their blockers if they experience difficulties on firefox.
Best thing is, you can easily get rid of that pause by either installing a simple Firefox add-on or adding a few lines into your uBlock origin filter list, both easily found in google. Literally better service that by paying them.
Assuming that everyone who is using adblock is also going to great lengths to block the theft of their user data is a pretty absurd take. Installing an adblock plugin is far easier than the steps required to block data consumption. The amount of people that would do that wouldn't even be 1% of the people who block ads.
I can confirm this. I have more knowledge than average user but im also lazy. It will take hours worth of focusing that task and search from internet how to do everything right. Im just too lazy do that unless someone force me to do that, or if its must to do for own and family security reasons. That 1% is too high estimate, most people are too lazy start doing that even when have knowledge. Its just how humans are. Lazy.
Yeah I don't quite know how to remove my digital footprint so I expect them to still get ahold of my data. Don't know how much data Brave prevents them from taking. Either way since I use the Google playstore, Google is still getting my data. Might not be as much data as the common user since I will play around with the most obvious settings, but willing to bet they still get plenty of my data.
I don't think Google understands that these people will do whatever it takes to avoid ads. These people are not going to watch ads. Period. I know that even if I have to wait a full minute to watch a RUclips video, I will do it as long as I don't have to watch an ad.
It’s a lose lose situation for this battle with RUclips blocking ads. There are literally scam ads and useless spam ads nobody cares about. The fact that RUclips is doing this and increasing RUclips premium is absolutely ridiculous! This is an easy way to slowly kill off the volume of premium subscribers to other clone platforms with better perks.
Are there any platforms that are better? I've seen a bunch that are just serving content from the youtube infrastructure with a trick to prevent the ads which will be the next thing they go after, and a few where the perks are good today while they are new and small but once it starts to scale out if they don't see high donation / premium memberships the perks will go away until it is essentially the same as youtube.
@@PyroMikeHell What you said right here is why I'm not willing to trust a company ever again. Nowadays if something gets big, it's inevitable for it to become corrupt and I don't see this changing for a very long time. Nobody is going to write proper laws that actually combat scams efficiently and even if they do, they'll just affect a few smaller scale ones to make examples out of them and the richest companies will be unpunished. I'd love to see the big shameless monopoly burn but it won't matter because the ones who are making the horrible decisions are rich enough not to have to care and the only ones affected will be the many people working below them. We need a huge revamp of everything that's just not possible and will be opposed by people who are actively going against their own interests. Pretty lost cause.
I feel like this entire thing wouldn't be an issue if the ads that youtube were trying to push couldn't Hurt the customer. They should absolutely be putting the money they're pouring into this adblocker nonsense into actually vetting the ads they're putting on the site.
I turned off shields on Brave and the very first thing I saw on the RUclips home page was an ad for a phony Mr. Beast scam, promising free money to people who click the link. It’s disgusting how RUclips is so heavily prioritizing anti-adblock technology while doing absolutely nothing to vet advertisers or protect users from scams and viruses.
Most of Google's services are automated and barely moderated at all by a human being. It has been this way since as far back as I can remember, since back when Web 2.0 was still brand new and shiny and we were all learning it, back then Google would ban you from ad-sense because your dynamic IP changed and a neighbour got it and clicked your ads (not the exact story but it shows the point I want to make) If something they can do to improve the platform requires _any_ human resources other than a machine-moderator, they don't want to invest in it because it (to them) will be unsuccessful as they have to pay human beings a fair wage but they can tax exempt power bills and property taxes/rent. Google used to have "Do no evil." in their company motto, it was removed at some point. Makes a man think.
My issue is that i dont like the ads that are pushed on me...i mean 90% of the people in the ad doesnt look like me, doesnt act like me, doesnt look like any of my friends...i have no reason to watch them...they are not meant for me i am just saving them time and energy
I tried watching RUclips on my ps5, in a 22 minute video, I got an ad before the video, 1 minute and 30 seconds into the video and then 3 more ad breaks in the remaining 20 minutes. I never even cared about ads before they CONSTANTLY interrupted the content
I found the whole Adblock block by RUclips to be fantastic. The other video sharing sites are getting pretty good. I never used them before, but now at least 40-50% of my viewing is on other video sites. If it hadn't been for the new policy, I'd never have realised how much good content is available "off RUclips".
@@NoobNoob1986 either way, i'm happy that they exist and i hope they do grow. youtube's been sitting on a monopoly for way too long (and google in general on many more!)
FACTS, my gpu was going fucking crazy, I couldnt even watch videos without it lagging every 2 damn secconds, youtube is full of bullshit, they litteraly found a great way of disabling ad block, instead they make our computers...
For me, it's the attacks against content creators that make me want to make sure google never make a profit. If you want everybody to see ads, then everybody should also be allowed to monetize. No demonetization for any reason, good or bad.
Not sure I'd agree with that as written, but RUclips is also being blatantly dishonest about demonetization. Since they took one step further and "tried" to make the experience worse for adblock users, I'll take one step further (in this probably-unsearchable comment section which could be deleted at any moment, and which no member of Congress or FTC employee will read) and point out that RUclips is clearly still committing the crime the US government caught them committing, and ordered them to stop. People say they're breaking EU privacy law, and that may well be true, but more importantly they're violating COPPA by targeting pre-teen children with personalized ads. That's why you can be demonetized unless you make child-friendly content which is nominally aimed at adults - a rule which is obvious Orwellian BS. RUclips would likely defend themselves by claiming to be after the family market. They aren't targeting children under 13, it's the parents they want! Except, if you have children or know someone who does, you already know better. You know ~0% of parents with money are watching a long video without stopping to do something else. You know they'll take ads as an opportunity to go do something productive, and won't watch the ads. In fact, once you look - in a way the FTC has so far chosen not to do, and won't Google's critics in Congress find that interesting once someone brings it to their attention - you realize RUclips is counting on parents leaving and not watching the ads, which is why those ads are full of sexual material. Yet, someone at the company now wants to force those ads on everyone. If they continue down this path, they're gonna have a bad time.
The problem with ads on the internet in comparison to billboards, TV, and etc is the fact those do not track you, or are easily scams (happens all the time on Google's services, whether it be search or RUclips itself) or are even viruses. I think people would be okay with ads if they weren't targeted or malicious in any form and did what an ad is supposed to do under the law. Remember in the United States subminimal messaging in ads is illegal yet having viruses or actual trackers or actual scams in them is not.
As with most legislation in the U.S., it's tardy in the truest sense of that term. The only question is whether it really is delayed development or if it's done on purpose, conveniently unable to grasp the problem or offering solutions that set back the rest of the targeted industry as well as consumers of that industry.
@@kyleshockley1573 the problem the USA faces in government is generations of people who didn't grow up with technology but technology came as they were already adults.
tbf i don't even care if they are targetted all i want is them to not be loud unskipable double ads one of which is a crypto metaverse scam and the other a mrbeast scam
Leave the ads in newspapers and tv. I'm not coming to internet to watch them again, I come to seek shelter from them. And no, I'm not "paying to stop seeing ads", everything on the internet was free from the day I first opened a browser, not gonna change that. Starts with 1 payment then they deduct 5923 fees and charges and operational costs off you the next time you look. Recurring, obviously.
billboard ads are usually vetted to be legit before they hire someone to go and put it on the board ... tv ads are actively buying real time slots so they also have to be vetted ... youtube ads on the other hand can be anywhere at any time and repeated as many times as it wants to be, can be added with 0 vetting and half of the time probably by faking payments
@@LeoDavidson You remind me of the people that think the government should do something about high gas prices. The government is the sole reason gas prices are so high.
@@cjspyker Nah man I tried a fresh and clean install of firefox and still got the delay and slow loading times, with the ads then loading after the delay
With even the FBI suggests to use a adblocker and RUclips trying this, it would be real interesting if the Federal Government got involved asking RUclips "Why are you doing this?!"
because the fbi get's also a lot of information directly from google/alphabet. this is fine by me, because i at least pay google with my data and i am fully aware of it. the real crazy think is, that all the other big companies do it as well, including apple.
I didn't plan on putting an ad blocker on my laptop. Then I was following along on a repair for a dryer. There was a tricky part where the host did not do a good job showing what was going on and in the middle, there was an ad. Every time I rewound and watched the spot a 30+ second ad after the 4th time I installed the ad blocker.
What’s wild to me about this situation is that this started several years ago, it was literally caulked the adpocalypse. People thought that was over dramatic, but it was really about how RUclips caved to pressure instead of standing its ground, and at that moment, we saw this inevitable slow decline would come. That was the turning point, and there’s probably no coming back
People are finally starting to wake up to the fact that the adpocalypse was set up intentionally so they could force a dramatic restructuring that allowed youtube to steal money from creators at any moment with no explanation except for "demonitizeation"
What did it for me was actually not just the ads, which I agree are reprehensible and some times extremely offensive, but the one thing that did it was, during the plandemic, youtube wanted to force communism on me by making ads beneath the video telling me, trying to use fear tactics, to get the jab. I have free will, I do not want any government to tell me what to believe or not. And I trust my government as much as I trust google, which is less than zero. And one could then ask why not to trust google, that is, again, not as much becasuse they steal data, it is because they have gone full woke. They literally promote pdfilia for example, while at the same time, blocking the content creators which are against it.
@@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable yep, and if you commented on mainstream news videos saying something like covid was made in a lab, your comments would be shadow banned ... shown to you but if you look incognito or from someone else they don't show..... that happens still today for anything that is too far against the narrative its really bad was worse on twitter
I don't think that the average person who uses adblock goes the full 100% to make sure Google gets none of their personal data. So the "I pay with my data" argument does IMO make sense for the majority of people.
I think the increase in adblock users started because of a problem with the ads Google gives to the user. I only looked into adblock after suffering through several medical episodes because Google doesn't follow the ADA in their ads. There is no quality control with the ads to avoid things like photosensitivity triggers (the thing those warnings about seizures you might see before some movies and videos refer to) which literally affects 1 in 4 people (imagine knowing a thing kills 1 in 4 people and getting mad when people ask you not to use it in spaces where it's unavoidable). And like my mom recently started looking into adblock herself because she is very bothered by gore and all the ads being sent to her now are gorey zombie things. Like I think for most the adblocks is actually just a symptom of a much larger issue on Googles side regarding the ads they not only let show, but in how those ads are then targeted towards people. And I think overall this war on adblock is not only a losing battle (these are the same people who generally do this kind of thing for funsies and when push comes to shove straight up pirate things) but also will be a straisand effect where plenty of people who were uneducated/unaware now know the option exists.
It didn't cause medical episodes for me but that is why I started using an ad blocker online 6-8 years ago. If a site is reasonable with their ad load and I like their content, I will likely disable the ad blocker. I don't want to literally have an ad every two minutes like YT was doing for a while.
Yup, I don't block ads just because I can, but because of the invasiveness, the sheer volume and the increasingly inappropriate topics and imagery. A few weeks ago, a small site politely asked, with a small, dismissable banner, to disable my ad blocker, no invasive ads yada yada. I did that, reloaded the page and got a full screen pop-up for a hentai game. sigh.
Bruh.....in the space of 6 words you went from saying photosensitivity issues "affect" 1 in 4 people to outright claiming it KILLS 1 in 4 people. The first statement is definitely wrong, and the 2nd is just ridiculous. PSE, photosensitive epilepsy, is very rare (+/- 5%) among people with epilepsy, which itself only occurs in 0.6% of the population. So the total rate of PSE overall is 0.03%, which works out to about 2.5 million people globally. Assuming the mortality rate of PSE is the same as for epilepsy overall, that's around 7500/year.... Long story short, no, it absolutely fu@$ing does not affect (and DEFINITELY doesn't kill) 1 in 4 people......
I feel like the metaphor falls apart a little bit when applied to actual reality. In truth, your service is not scalable the way that allocating server resources for services you host, so when an individual in your store is being tied up by that customer it actually directly hurts your bottom line in a quantifiable way. The drain a single free user has on RUclips's resources is so small in comparison that it's not fair to frame it this way. For me, I adblock both because I hate ads and because I think that the insane scalability (and with it insane revenue) of this kind of service makes it borderline rent-seeking behavior to start going after the tiny amount of money you're losing to freeloaders. It makes it seem to me that they're done innovating, they're done improving their services, they're done doing things to make the service more attractive despite the fact that complaints have been piling and piling. Which is more morally contemptible: Forcing and targeting ads on a service that hasn't seen meaningful improvement in ages that may or may not introduce vulnerabilities to your system and reaping insane rewards for it, or accessing that content without allowing Google any chance to do that to you (and thus make no money off you)?
Given how long RUclips has been around and that they're only just now actually facing this head on I think it's reasonable to say that historically it has been negligible. I doubt that's changed much. Seems more realistic to me that they're doing this now because it's the final stone they've left to juice before they admit they can't increase profits without becoming a subscription service anymore. Also, my point about it being a single user was about comparing a single user blocking ads but otherwise not interrupting the service to a single customer who observably and directly impacts the service other customers are receiving and how that comparison is unfair given that even if it is a profit drain an adblocking user on RUclips isn't negatively impacting the service for others, thus doing nothing to hurt the business outside of the bandwidth and electricity cost to send me stuff. You could argue that because this negatively impacts the creators as they don't get paid for blocked ads, thus hurting the platform, and I could rebut that blocking ads is important enough to me that they would never have received that ad view from me if adblocking weren't possible in the first place.
Ironically enough, youtube going against adblockers made me hyper aware of how google could use my data and now I'm removing as much information as possible on all of my internet accounts. I guess I lost the "customer status", and they lost a costumer. I wonder how many other people did the same.
The worst part for me is that, when I finally got the notice "you cannot watch videos with adblockers enabled", I actually turned them off for RUclips. What does RUclips do? It still sends me that black screen with the message that I am still using adblockers and I have to refresh the page to watch the content, effectively making me load every video page twice. Even if you comply, they still make your experience worse and treat you poorly.
Again, that might be a bug, more than an intention to provoke. Try to focus here instead. The video here states the truth, google owns the web site and can treat non paying customers as it likes. This is not the issue at all. The issue is, how youtube is totally biased towards communism, removing content creators which are conservative, promoting evil like pdfilia, and in that way spread propaganda forcing false beliefs onto people. I am not going to youtube to let youtube teach me how to think, what to think and what to believe. I definitely do not need a bunch of hippies to tell me that men can give birth, and then, in the same moment, threaten me if I do not want to get the jab for something that isn't real.
13:58 Yep, that's exactly the point and the problem with what RUclips is doing. They are not making service better for paying customers, they are deliberately and artifically making it worse for non-paying users. In addition, unless Googles starts a campaign on bettering the advertisement and removing all the false advertisement, that pretty much tries to sell you products with an incorrect representation or straight away a scam, I am not turning off adblocker ever again.
My biggest issue with ads is malvertising. The ad network gets infested with malware, and spreads it to anyone who VIEWS the ads, let alone clicks them. I do most of my internet browsing on my Android phone or on Linux, but sometimes, malware can infest Linux, or I'm trying to look up something specific to Windows or what I'm doing on my Windows machine (mostly gaming or pro audio). This was the main reason I started using ad blockers in the first place. Many... less reputable sites are not even safe to view at all without ad block.
I think the general thinking of the RUclips community is that, if they quit having predatory ads, removed people from the platform who are predatory regardless of channel size, and started righting the wrongs of the accounts falsely removed, and repaired their DMCA system as I have had music which was made from scratch and sounded nothing like the music they claimed it to be. when I filed for appel with proving the original creator and all and was still denied. Most of us would not have a problem with the ads or the premium.
DMCA isn’t exactly RUclips’s fault The fact they refuse to defend the victims is Copyright itself is seriously fucked and the only reason RUclips has its current system is because they don’t want to deal with it
Wake up its 2023, the normie term fade is sooo over unless its coming back + as when that term was dying off in like 2013 (aka people started to use is far less) it became so uncool to say that people started to change the word in a way, where to say someone or a group is a normie makes you the normie since everyone back in the past started to use that term. So if the word is coming back into fashion then that just makes it confusing to the logic behide it. But anyways back to the topic comment it self yeah you are correct on what you've said as yes it's the Streisand effect that is happening with this fight for adblockers to stay. I have even see some people say they are only using adblockers now to show google/youtube that we don't want you getting richer. Mainly cause they have noticed its annoying them.
@@FluffyChops Wake up its 2023, the furry term fade is sooo over unless its coming back + as when that term was dying off in like 2013 (aka people started to use is far less) it became so uncool to say that people started to change the word in a way, where to say someone or a group is a normie makes you the furry since everyone back in the past started to use that term. So if the word is coming back into fashion then that just makes it confusing to the logic behide it.
One thing that was failed to be mentioned is the free advertisement YT gets when people blocking the ads while watching the YT videos still refer YT videos to others. So yes, it can be a vicious circle both ways.
This is the exposure argument.
Anytime I hear an argument that is identical to the argument of an NYC club owner or record label A&R person from the 2000s, I die inside.
My good friend & co-studio-intern from back when I was 17 years old had a great album that had one song on it referring to all of this. The line was, _"Can I go to the deli and cash it in for a sandwich?"_ It referred to all of the garbage people would tell you when you worked in the music industry to try to get you to work for free. Whether free recording time, play my club for free, give me a beat for free. It was always some long winded bullshit that came down to him getting _"exposure"_ and _"free advertising"_ while they got something that cost him time, money, resources, or brainpower. I liked that song.
I had a fucking stroke Reading this
I use to promo raves... People still do pay to play... @@rossmanngroup
@@rossmanngroup Kind of disagree with you on this one, just because of RUclips's own algorithm. The more views a video gets, the more it's promoted, and those videos do get more views. It's not the "Oh, you might get exposure and make some money", it actually does give it more exposure, and on average, more money. I don't think you're completely wrong, but I don't think it's on the same level as what you were talking about with the music industry.
@xanmal7042 Sure, but not everything is black and white. I said it's not an apples to apples comparison and you're purposely ignoring that. The algorithm absolutely promotes already popular videos, so just by watching, you're contributing. Not as much as actually viewing ads, but saying it does nothing is ignoring the fact of videos gaining traction from the algorithm and gaining many times more views than they would otherwise.
It's slightly more nuanced than just "by using an adblocker you contribute nothing"
Unironically 5 seconds of a blank screen is still preferable to an ad.
In particular, better than a youtube ad, which has at least a 40% chance of being a clear scam, and 70% chance of being abusively loud garbage in those first seconds.
@@0LoneTech And often more than 5 seconds of forced viewing.
It really is highly preferrable. RUclips advertisements are so terrible and grating that I'd rather stare at the wall for 15 seconds if it comes to that.
Yup, its a 5 second auto skip ad
@@Llortnerof You mean the little countdown before the skip button? That consistently lies by counting slow, and now they're often swapping it out for "video will play shortly" or something like that. Its purpose is to draw your attention so you don't look away from the ad. I've seen it bug out and stick in forced mode on a 15 minute ad.
Waiting 5 seconds on a black screen is infinitely more preferable than watching an ad. Especially if that ad was going to make you watch more than 5 seconds before you could skip it.
nah its the waste of brain capacity an ad can take up. still remembering cab jingles from 2001 man. i can probably learn a new language with all the ads i remember.
Well you might say I’m not paying them whit my data anymore, but that’s where I say I have payed them once upon a time whit my data, and for that I feel like the rites to a lifetime of access to RUclips without ads 😂
And then you'd think your device was broken and hit 'back'. Rip!
The problem is it started with just 5 seconds of black screen, but for me 3 weeks ago youtube switched to all out just blocking my videos all together
Same
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I was never that bothered about having an ad blocker, but RUclips ads becoming longer, more obnoxious, and non skip-able is one of the things that finally pushed me to install an ad block and now I can never go back
i went ages before i cracked and installed revanced because of the horrible (often nsfw and scam) ads, if they simply put some moderation they wouldn't need to screw over people
This. I didn't have an adblocker until a few years ago when YT really started throwing a lot more in. A 5 second ad at the beginning of the video and maybe one at the end? No problem. But when a 5 minute video has an unskippable ad at the beginning and 3 or 4 ad breaks in the middle, it's adblocker time.
@@Miles_huhthe scams is really what got me, I reported them for like 2 years. And I would always see the same ads pop up and report them again… almost all of those ads still pop up
The kinky waifu porn was the worst. What if my kid wants to watch a video and I'm in my account watching Louis? 'Daddy showed me pretty ladies on his computer' sounds so innocent when said to an authority figure, and any misunderstandings that it wasn't just an ad on YT will be easily figured out, right? YT will have to pry my adblockers and script stoppers out of my cold dead hands frozen in the shape of a mouse before I'll give them up.
@@HipposaurusRex Yeah, an ad at the beginning unskippable for 5 seconds or whatever is fine, but the ones at the end (or the middle) are what finally got me to install an adblocker tbh. I'd often make sure the video is set to a comfortable volume and then do some work in the kitchen while watching, but then an ad comes on at the end playing at TWICE THE VOLUME. It'd be so obnoxious and can't even click away or turn it down because my hands are dirty. So fuck that, for a while I stopped using youtube, but eventually came back with an adblocker.
To this day I only have my browser set to block ads on youtube.
RUclips did this to themselves. Us Adblock users didn't use adblockers on day one. We were pushed into using adblockers. RUclips ads were tolerable at first, but then they started to stack ads on videos and making them unskippable along with making them more intrusive and aggressive. That's what drove me to get an adblocker. Haven't taken my adblocker off since.
I also think the comments are missing part of the reason this will always be a losing battle for RUclips. I initially got a blocker way before youtube started getting aggressive with ads to cut down on the insane amount of clutter caused by banner and side ads on primarily text-based websites because I personally don't like consuming every tutorial/instructional thing in video format and sites like that went nuts years ago by making every informational article a slideshow to maximize their average clickthrough rate. I didn't really notice things had started to get out of hand here until I started listening/watching videos on the mobile app to keep my desktop free. So I feel like there's gotta be a sizeable amount of people like me who installed a blocker for x or y reason off of youtube which blanket blocked ads everywhere. Then depending on what time period you did may have been swayed to whitelist RUclips from a creator-you-like's argument only to be presented with an increasingly dystopian and unacceptable ad landscape. So I think, for at least some, the initial decision of installing a blocker had almost nothing to do with RUclips and RUclips's decided in response to be aggressive and adversarial to all blocker-users. They've created a situation where at best it convinces the majority of old, new, and prospective blocker-users that RUclips is one of the bad actors that warrants using a blocker, and at worst they're going to keep targeting users with anti-blocker measures and horrible ads until they get spanked with public outcry or legal action against either of those practices. I'd be willing to watch one-two 15-30 second ads again if it stopped hitting me with 15-minute Multi-Level-Marketing scams and targeted political content that is aggressively opposed to the video it's playing before. It's like they took the rise of adblock as a personal affront to Daddy Google and instead of making their ads a beacon of standards and practices in an increasingly scammy world they're acting just as scummy and turning a blind eye to scam artists and demagogues with deep pockets to keep their profits up.
The last straw was them letting anyone advertise on their platform, even scammers. Like seriously, how many times have you seen a Robux scam or deepfaked MrBeast cash app scam?
I was actively considering getting RUclips Premium at one point. Because I already have a RUclips Music subscription because I like to listen to music while at work. Not only do ads slow me down, but I also can't turn my phone screen off, which kills the battery. And RUclips Premium is only like 3 more dollars, and comes with a RUclips Music thing along with it. Then this happened, and I refuse to get the new subscription on sheer principal. However, I won't get rid of my RUclips Music one because my work would be sheer suffering without it.
@@boyblue3270 YES! And the screen always gets BIGGER and the volume way LOUDER when the stupid ad pops on. Unacceptable.
i begun to use Adblock in the early 2010s ads got to much but it was heavenly barrable back then compared to now
5 seconds of delayed loading is better than 45 seconds of unskippable ads throughout a video.
Especially since there's the prospect of adblockers in the future detecting and bypassing this arbitrary degradation
firefox will figure a way to combat it, i rather donate $50 to them per month than pay $5 to youtube
its starting from 5sec,n then 10sec so on
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@@sew_gal7340it’s 18$ a month for premium RUclips in the USA , where is it only 5$
I'll never not use an ad-blocker on RUclips. And no one at Google is ever going to solve the ad-blocking "issue." They're doing an amazing job at publicizing the existence of ad-blockers.
Its been really weird in the last month that the ads being run on youtube have been less, and less, and less applicable to what I am watching (e.g. getting pharma ads on a gaming video). I hate pharma ads and car manufacturer ads. They are pointless, nobody cares, nobody buys your car, FORD, because you ran an add on youtube.
The thing I'm trying to get my head around is, YT is losing revenue through ad blockers, so they throw money at something that will never go away, therefor losing even more money. Is that how it works?
Thus far I wasn't even aware of something called ad-blockers until this topic came up. Now I'm interested in finding out more information about what an ad blocker is and how to get one. Totally publicizing the idea of an ad-blocker.
@@mrade5321it is never ever ever ever about the money. It is about control. Always has been always will be. My money is on this entire ad block excursion being specifically about them finding ways to monitor plugins and solve exploits and workarounds. The knowledge is worth more money than anything you could possibly earn them in advance revenue.
Ad blockers are great. They even block ads on all websites, not just RUclips. @@davemeise2192
5 second slow down vs watching multiple poor quality ads? SOLD
But how will you know about Dr Sassquatches new bullshit now?
Last time I turned off my adblocker to support channels I care about, they gave me an hour+ long ad for something that looked like a scam. It took me a while to be able to get to my phone and skip it, so I was forced to listen to it for 15ish minutes. This was about 5 ad breaks (all double ads) into a 50 minute video. I gave RUclips a chance, and they ruined any good will I had left for them.
what adblock do you use on your phone? been looking for a good one
@@polarispmI only use one on my desktop.
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A friend of mine was an ex gamble addict. He was always using adblockers because he didn't want commercials involving gambling. After his adblock removal, not only gamble commercials pop up, but he tries to restrict them with a "commercial references" option and they still pop up. Im nothing but disgusted from RUclips. Adblockers are about protection.
Why doesn't he just put it back?
Yeah I keep trying to block prime ads on my kids tablets, it only blocks one flavor at a time....
Self protection. They're taking away SELF PROTECTION.
Suggestion for your friend: uBlock Origin is working again, as is Undetectable Ad Blocker.
Also, the exact same thing happens to alcoholics.
Tell your friend that they are still many workarounds to this BS. The Brave browser is probably one of the better options, its easy, ad block is built in and I have yet to any issues with it. Personally I'm finding that it's on par if not better than Chrome, Edge or FF.
I use to have exactly the same way of thinking until youtube start demonetizing most of the channels I'm watching, but still running adds on their content. This was the moment I've started using add-blocker. If they are not paying the content creator - I'm not paying them.
Oh, but youtube is not just demonetizing channels which opinions they do not like, they remove such channels too. And they only remove conservative channels, while at the same time, channels which promote pdfilia, they are there monetized too. Not just that, they have high status too. This is google, an evil company spreading false information, indoctrination also young people into believing that men can give birth, that there is nothing wrong in an adult man boning kids. Evil. Evil. Evil.
Part of the reason they haven't improved their detection AI is so it marks people falsely and in turn lets RUclips steal some of the revenue. By simply not improving their system then ensure more profits are made and don't spend money on improvements.
This, on top of a lot of ads containing stuff that would get them demonetized if they were videos
Content creators deserve 0% of the money when they host 0% of the content and sacrifice their own rights to said content to have someone else host it for "free".
@@TheSismeonyes! Between random transphobic PragerU crap every 3 months to some explicit omegaverse erotic fiction readings 😭 like RUclips, where the fuck you finding these advertisers?
As a guy who adblocks and doesn't pay, I have to say that you've got it totally right. If they can flush me out, that's their business. But honestly? I hate the guys who run this site. I would buy premium, but I'm morally opposed to the way they do business. They won't get a dime from me. Not until they hold their advertisers to the same standard as their content producers, and not until they can figure out how not to arbitrarily delete people's livelihoods. Once they do that, I'll buy premium. But until then? Not a dime, and not a byte.
And again, if they can flush me out, that's totally alright! It's their business, and I know I'm being disruptive. But I despise them, and I've come to enjoy this game of cat and mouse.
they flushed out a lot of youtubers that made this platform what it is to begin with, by cutting ad revenue from basic swears or video game violence, but then they show us ads for scams or softcore porn....
amen brother!!!!!
not giving them anything in return simply out of spite for their moral wrongdoings is how i use this service (and many others these days, sadly)
Hear, hear!!!!!
Last time I turned my adblock off, I got an ad with a picture of Putin wearing a Starcraft helmet. RUclips is not a serious company.
The biggest issue is the double ads. They started a campaign against adblockers but didn’t revert the double ad change. (Which they put in to combat falling revenue from Adblock) Until those go away I’m certainly not turning off Adblock.
And those ads are more frequently unskippable over 20 second ads, which upgraded me from someone using an adblocker because seeing the same 3 ads all day was annoying to using an adblocker because the service is terrible without an adblocker.
If they allow any ad to be skipped after 5 seconds, I'd gladly remove my blocker because the inconvenience of using a skip button is an acceptable tradeoff and allows me to self-select which advertisements are worth my time meaning advertisers don't waste their ad money on a consumer who's already decided the product isn't interesting.
or the too much ads too. i am not going to buy anything of them. just a plain old no. i use youtube both on my phone and chromebook (on chromebook rn) and i have no problem watching ads if i am just on my phone for like 1 full-length video but if i watch a bit more, i immediatly start to get annoyed any time an ad plays like I HATE IT
premium is good if u watch enough youtube. Its always jarring when im accidentally on free youtube
@@OscarUnrated Congratulations. You're a sucker who paid a corporation to remove an obstacle they put there specifically to charge you to remove it.
Gonna tell me you bought WinRar next?
@@user-oh1cl6by3h RUclips keeps blocking my AdBlock Plus and my Brave browser both worked fine for a while.
5 seconds of slowed loading is 100x more appreaciated than x seconds of ads.
*hours
There was a point where I got the exact same ad over roughly 20 times over about 15 videos.
5 extra seconds of buffering will always beat having a helmans mayonnaise ad burned into my brain for all eternity.
I like how quick you've rationalized it
@@codesymphony it's literally the same as a skipable ad without the ad
@@GameCyborgCh Indeed, I like silence... so I'll patiently wait, could even watch a paint drying. There used to be one ad I had very often playing before my video of choice. I don't remember what it was for but it started several levels louder, with a young woman running in a flat towards the camera (perhaps in the kitchen kitchen) and shouting: Granny?! I didn't watch it any further.
I always reloaded the page and it often worked to start playing the video itself.
I Used to whitelist certain youtubers on my addblock as a way to support them, until they came out on a livestream and said that youtube deosnt let them monetize videos because the content isnt ad friendly. RUclips still ran the ads, they just didnt pay the creator. Think ill stick to adblock.
Fun update. I'm a RUclips premium subscriber, have been since the RUclips Red days, and I'm also a Firefox user. I was also experiencing the slowdowns in the interface you talk about here. Well today, I get to my computer and RUclips just isn't loading at all. I refresh the page, and I get the blank dark mode screen with some greyed out tiles where my video recommendations usually appear. I tried a few times thinking I was having internet issues, but the same result. Finally, I was thinking "they couldn't be so stupid as to check for adblock before premium status, could they?" But sure enough, as soon as I disabled my adblock and refreshed, it worked perfectly. So they're not only making the experience miserable or useless for free users with adblock, but they aren't even checking to see if the adblock user is a premium member before killing their experience completely.
this could've all been avoided if youtube kept with the 30 second ads that could be skipped after 5, they never bothered me much and they weren't even bad ads. when you put several 15 second unskippable ads on things, now you've got a problem. if you're trying to watch a short clip or a listen to a soundbite or something, you might spend longer watching the adverts for it than the video you're waiting for 😭
you would not have a place in a corporate boardroom. it's not enough to make money. you have to make the most money you possibly can and then outperform that number next year or someone who can achieve this will get put in your spot. this is how you get to bs like this
Precisely!!
does not help that US users seem to get super targeted ads, like how one of my trans friends constantly get ads for... religion or conservative anti-trans propaganda
@@woobgamer5210 Your trans friend probably gets hooked by that content, hence why the ad targets your friend. :>
@@woobgamer5210 did he or she get the message yet?
I started hardcore adblocking about 12 years ago. A banner ad on RUclips actually triggered my antivirus, which shut down my browser and told me a attack on my machine had been prevented. (I was using Chrome back then, with ESet antivirus) This is the kind of thing you might expect on back-alley websites that have shady behavior from the onset. I was NOT expecting a attack/spyware banner from a premium website. Then, a few years ago, I started exploring how to ad-block the video ads themselves once I noticed RUclips didn't care about who or what was advertising. (Fake products, cheap Chinese knockoffs sold for high prices and bad products that could cause death) Thankfully, Brave does a great job just blocking everything out of the box with minimal tweaking. Further, RUclips has, in the last few years, been running AS MANY AS 6 ADS PER AD SEGMENT! That is a full 3 minutes of ads! Add to all of this, content creators are constantly under attack by RUclips. I'll block everything on this website and watch as long as Brave can keep up with their hypocrisy.
I started hardcore blocking around the same time, maybe another year longer or so. Can't remember exactly, but it was a banner ad from TvTropes that nuked my computer so hard that it ended up frying the motherboard.
I took online security _WAY_ more seriously after that. _Multiple_ adblockers, noscript, just about everything. Google has the power to vet their damn ads that use their own service. Instead they'd rather declare war on people _trying not to lose their machines or livlihoods_ and run the site as hypocritically as possible, attacking users and creators alike over whatever they feel like while never holding advertisers to _any_ standards, let alone the same rigorous ones.
Frankly, RUclips doesn't _deserve_ ad revenue.
The trigger for me to start adblocking wasn't quite so major; I simply had an unskippable add... That was literally over an hour long. I was able to refresh the page, watch two ads (since this was after they started doubling up on pre-video ads), and watch the entire video I was waiting to watchall before that first ad would have finished- before it would've been _half_ done.
At that point, I decided that I'd had enough. If RUclips gave that little of a shit about my time, I'd show them the same amount of respect for their ads.
Correct, RUclips has basically failed its audience. They have forgotten the business model of catering ads to the right people and respecting boundaries. They are borderline abusive at this point, so I have no regrets nor any guilt in using ad blocks on their ad fuelled hard dicks.
@@tygerion4404 What the hell kind of product did someone make an _hour long_ ad for?
@@GreatFox42- nobody did. It's just one of _"those stories"_ that people tell others. RUclips doesn't serve 1 hour long adverts * 😂
* that are non-skippable
Admittedly I'm somewhat in the "Google sells all my information, I'm not giving them more money/information that easy" camp. However I would be FAR more willing to open my wallet, if it wasn't for the fact that I've been on RUclips since 2005 (this account is almost as old as RUclips), and there is no other site that I've seen consistently devolving into shitty, predatory, consumer-unfriendly trash over the last decade. This goes far before this recent anti-adblock wave, this goes to "why is the search results one list of videos, when it used to show 10+ results on a single screen in 2007? Why can't I search for a specific thing, without the results being random "people also watched" trash after scrolling down once?"
I could write an essay, but paying Google wouldn't fix any of it. I'd be paying Google for a shittier, blatantly anti-consumer product than I experienced 10+ years ago. I could afford to pay Google for this shitty product, but ain't gonna happen. They can improve the product or ban my account, either is preferable to paying for them to spit in my face. Already backed up everything related to Google services I need
Don't forget how they shove tangentially-relevant "news" from "authorative sources" like NBC , ABC , MSNBC , FOX even when you search for a video from specific creator using the exact name of it.
Agreed. Should be top pinned comment tbh. From a customer signalling perspective what does it mean to google that if after making their product shitter they got more paying customers? That's the completely wrong way to get a business to get better. If they made premium the old version of youtube we all loved with improved feeds ands features, word of mouth would get even those that use ad block to pay. Also, should come with the promise of not being farmed for data. I'm either the customer or the product. No double dipping
Very well put, buying premium wouldnt solve most of the problems RUclips has these days. I will gladly pay if i could have dislikes, searching being decent and if RUclips wouldnt censor controversial topics
Agreed
Agreed, and same as the first guy
Work harder to spite people and not to make the site better, way to go youtube.
Spite really is a good motivator but it goes both ways, they will see soon I'm sure.
Just like Twitch...
They'll just get more mysterious funding through laundered "foreign aid" money.
And they wonder why they are losing money if you make a service better people will want to use and will pay for it but if you make it worse then say pay and we will make it suck less NOBODY will want to do that and will do ANYTHING to avoid it
@@squaresidedThe ads on twitch are dog awful lmao
its at a point where i just end up closing the tab before the ad is over.
Reminds me of Nintendo and it's sheer arrogance and animosity towards it's customers. Shuts down eshop cutting off lots of old games with no way to legally buy them other than off scalpers, and then has to cheek to tell customers not to turn to piracy.
The ironic thing is that the people waiting 5 seconds for their video to load are still wasting less time than the people waiting for the 15 second unskippable ads to finish.
Regardless if this war against adblockers is justified on RUclips's part or not, one thing they absolutely need to be doing at the same time is improving QoL for regular users. The lack of quality control and quality of life is what even started the large demand for adblockers in the first place. I used to watch YT without adblock many years ago, but over time I really grew to hate ads for 1) having imbalanced audio with the video and blasting my ears, 2) being many many minutes long FORCING me to get up or stop what I was doing (say kitchen work) and get to my phone, clean my fingers and skip the ad, 3) obnoxious, sexualized, scammy ads which had clearly not undergone any semblance of quality checks. I could probably add a couple more factors, but I imagine I'm not the only one with a similar background.
You are not the customer. They don't care about your experience.
The audio issue you are referring to used to be called "normalization" and I had a TV from the 90s that put a sound ceiling in as well as boosting low noise to keep it at a "normal" level. That shit went away real fast, I assume advertisers killed it. I would also assume their is software that can do this on a computer. VLC media player has a function to do it for movies. It works really well.
@@CommanderRiker0 TV still has a mute button. Sure you had to have the remote on you but worked just as well.
@@CommanderRiker0 It isn't really normalization, it is more using compression to get more perceived loudness out of the audio. The effect is also known as loudness war. And of course you can compress all of your other audio, to get the same perceived loudness and then have a constant loudness level, that you can regulate, but that goes at the cost of audio quality and dynamic range. If you can live with that, it can be an option. I had that working on the whole sound output on a linux system once, but I never found a convenient way to do this on Windows, apart from having a sound card, coming with a feature like that.
@@Lahisswatching the ads DOES make you a customer though
I think a lot of problems with ads on RUclips is that they won’t even bother filter out malicious ads.
If i wanted to watch ads i would go to cable television
@NH-Random-clips
Considering a great deal of the mobile ads I have seen in the past, I have to agree.
If I want to watch ads I'd just dust down the TV and start watching that... again.
@@secondchance6603 Or I could search for the ads I want to see.
Yeah the scams and, seemingly ai generated ones are wild.
Ways google can convince me to give them money:
- No censorship.
- I can watch whoever I want.
- Don't remove old content.
- No addiction algorithm shenanigans.
- Fair share to whoever I watch.
- Tools to manage "watch later" better.
that would unirocly make the site worse
no censorship, no addic algorithm, and teh fair share doesn't even make sence if people use ad block then
What does "no censorship" mean? So it is ok for you, if someone is uploading porn your child can see or videos of suicide bombers yelling something about their God? Because this does "no censorship" exactly mean. Everyone is allowed to do everything.
Which is the biggest problem
Ways google can convince people to give them their hard earn Videos for Views and their ads profits :
-- Free uploads ( 1/100 or 1gb of space being filled up ) or ( 1M users will be breaking the bank )
-- Free live steams
-- No Cooldowns
-- Free hard drive space to upload as much as you want
What would be better
Less uploads for free
-- Live steams should be done few times a day not for 2 mouths
-- Cheaper RUclips plan - students has to do is 2 mouths of it and they pay the same price
for 2x the plans than 1x for people
@@WhereIsTheSpartan Don't be inane. We both know they're referring to political content silencing. They NEVER once implied illegal content should be allowed on the site.
@@bluegamer4210 lmao L take
- No censorship at all would be horrible, lest Twitter happen again, but as is the platform's censorship is much too authoritarian
- You accidentally click on one video you DID NOT want to watch and suddenly your entire suggestion feed is littered with that topic (and the "Not Interested" button doesn't always help), how is that a good thing?
- The point wasn't about blocking ads, it's about giving those creators a reasonable cut of the profit Google's getting from the money you're paying them
My main issue with all of this lies with the fact that RUclips is spending a bunch of time and ressources fighting adblockers and trying to figure out how to make the experience for people using them more miserable, but they don't seem to be willing to waste a penny on addressing the actual complaints people voice, the reason why so many (including me) use adblockers in the first place.
Ad quality control is terrible. From hypersexualised ads over blatant false advertisement all the way to literal scams and phishing links, RUclips has got it all. No one seems to give a shit what is being advertised, so long as you give them the money they ask for to play your ad.
The amount of ads has periodically increased as well. We went from having one ad at the beginning, one at the end and one or two throughout a 15 to 20 minute video to having unskippable double ads before and after each video, as well as double ads throughout the video in differing amounts (sometimes you only get two throughout the entire video, other times you get 4 in the first 5 minutes alone). Ads have also gotten more aggressive (they pull you out of the comment section and straight back to the screen, on mobile many even cover your entire screen) and more and more ads nowadays are completely unskippable on top of that, not to mention the algorithm heavily favors unskippable ads to play as the first ad of the double advertisement block.
There is also a point to be made about kids content being heavily targetted by ads. Any video that gets flagged by RUclips as "for kids" will very likely play significantly more ads than normal, said ads are usually betweem 20 and 30 seconds of length with no skip option and there is no comment section to distract yourself with, nor can you minimize the video and keep scrolling while waiting for the ad to finish.
Oh and what a coincidence that RUclips increases the premium prices accross the board right as they start to crack down on adblockers. Oh and can we talk about premium in general for a second? There is so much unnecessary shit in there that is just blasted in for RUclips to justify the high price tag. I do not care about RUclips Music, nor background video player, nor downloading videos and offline viewing- I just want to get rid of the ads. Why can't they just offer a $5 a month subscription service that gets rid of the ads and nothing else? I'd pay for that. I will not pay $20+ a month though for a bunch of stuff I will never use in the first place.
RUclips hasn't even provided a way to disable auto-play when watching a video in a play-list and since watch-later counts as a play-list this is extremely annoying and I have complained about it for almost 10 years now not to mention there is no "delete all" function or any useful tools for curating your watch later ( apart from "remove watched" ) so if you accidentally added like a thousand videos in your watch-later you have to painstakingly remove them one at a time or just not use that feature any-more personally I just use bookmarks but there is so many features that would be effortless to implement that people have been requesting for many years and yet they will decide to remove dislikes despite the colossal overwhelming backlash against that decision.
RUclips is making it easier and easier for a new competitor to compete as they are lowering peoples standards the bar to enter gets lower and lower both creators and consumers get fed up and seek out new platforms and as we speak I bet someone somewhere is for selfish or altruistic reasons trying to create a better website.
What can we expect? Google is too cheap to even pay for decent advertising quality because all of that revenue is used to line the pockets of google's greedy CEOs.
@@GAHAHAHH the barriers to entry are huge, even youtube is said to be not profitable because of the huge bandwidth costs, and to a lesser extent, storage costs
Also on RUclips tv (for stuff like Roku and fire tv) the end of video ads literally stop you from browsing during the ad, unlike mobile or browser which you can scroll. So I can’t see related videos, like the video, or go to the channel if the video outro ends too quick.
and the fact that of all people Louis does NOT bring this up in his video really REALLY pisses me off.
Twitch tried this already. Adblock folks beat them. It doesn't matter how many millions of dollars these companies throw at these systems, their opponents are too numerous and determined.
So Twotch's solition was to embed those crap Ads INTO THE STREAM DATA.
The experience is so shit i basically never watch some Twotch streams and solely go for the VODs they put elsewhere.
@@andrehashimoto8056 I've been using a combination of TTV LOL, Ublock Origin, and AdNauseam. Been ad free for months now.
Wrong. Plain and simple. Do you think ad blocking extensions have tried to block Hulu, Netflix, Peacock, etc. for their ad supported services? They have. They can't do it. Amazon and Google simply haven't decided to go down that road...yet. But if they do, yes, it will be a way that ads can't be blocked. Google's engineers are WAY smarter and their multi-6 figure salaries are way more motivating for them to succeed than the volunteers at uBlock.
People for some reason ignorantly thin that this is RUclips's "end game" war against ad blockers. It's not. This is the FIRST salvo.
@@andrehashimoto8056 You can 100% still block twitch ads.
TBH they didn't back out, you still in fact get the ads that people moaned about of yes in fact 3-5 unskippable ads nearly every stream you click on. making you miss up to 4-7 mins of content of that stream not bad when the streamer takes a break but when a funny moment happens fully annoying since the only way to watch what you miss is a vod clip of it or watch the stream not fully live what means you can't really talk in the chat since by time you send your message everyone would of moved on by then.
Anyways, the internet does what it does, and forgets after like 2 weeks of the news/drama of the week/day and so twitch wasn't really beaten just that adblockers the only way to stop twitch ads. If you even have prime but even then you can still get them from time to time since you need to sub to that channel your watching to remove ads fully without a adblocker what sure prime gives you 1 free sub but overall many people watch more then one creator so thats a lot of money to just avoid ads on twitch down the drain. TBH the one free sub more feels like a mobie game where they make it seems all nice at the start but then rope you in to spending money to keep it being all nice.
"Gee a 5 second delay, guess I'll just watch minutes of ads instead", said noone.
As soon as they announced the adblock stuff I downloaded a third-party app with more features than premium that runs better and costs me nothing. I also stopped watching RUclips on my PC entirely. So all this change did was take a 10+ year user and turn them into a bandwidth leech. Truly a masterful move on their part.
I need that app
You were a leech all along.
@@lylsluggerGrayjay
Everyone's boomer parents are now installing ad blockers when they had no idea what they were in the first place. Thanks again, Barbara Streisand!
@@lylsluggerrevanced extended maybe?
What’s frustrating is that if they just offered ad free for like $5-$6 and drop the forced RUclips music or make it an additional tier, they would have a lot more Premium subscribers than they do now.
I very much agree with this, I watch youtube on my smart tv sometimes, and there's no easy way to block ads on that, so I begrudgingly deal with them (although I will say the ad quality you get on TV is noticeably better than on other platforms), but if premium wasn't so damn expensive I would happily be paying for it, $14/mo is just way too steep for what is mostly a mild annoyance on a platform I don't use very much.
@@jarbarsi i saw the ads my parents get on their TV - not a single one of them is a scam product or some weirdly sexual nonsense and they use my Google account. Google can clearly distinguish between devices and for some reason, they deliver garbage adverts to users who aren't on a smart TV.
If they just served me ads that normal human beings are ok with I'd be fine, but every advert is some AI reading the script for products that don't exist... I've used an adblocker since their inception because, well, limewire generation, but I've found myself watching certain compilations of old content on other video-hosting sites just to spite YT even tho they may also have them uploaded.
It's insane that the only thing driving RUclips's competitors to success is how badly RUclips is being managed and how many people are choosing to not use it solely because they hate the people running it. Oh, and like, political extremists needing a place to upload their weirdness.
I’d easily pay $8/mo for no ads, that’s it
You should be able to bid directly against ads. Instead of watching ads, you put money in an account that outbids the advertisers.
I had to make some real mental gymnastics to explain 18€ a month for my premium and now they are rising price, completely making me cancel. Such greedy stupid move from them.
I actually find it hilarious that a few second delay is somehow supposed to make people want to spend even longer waiting on ads
I disabled my ad blocker just to test this thing out, and I got an 8-minute video of a deep fake Elon Musk trying to get me to sign up for his investment service (on a Zoom call with a deepfake Jack Dorsey and two people I didn't recognize). I watched all 8 minutes as I was fascinated, but it's really funny when these services try to act like Ad blocks are the security risk and not the other way around.
Some people are crazy enough to pay money to shout at you, live streams for example. If we or those we elect by subscribing, had any control over the ads or the ability to interact with other peoples ads then it might have some inherent meaning. Until then ads are just in the way of affiliate links and special tagging.
@@poika22 imagine you did the same as a one man shop.
promoting a scam.
you would be out of business pretty soon.
and yet google is allowed to do this somehow because they have no resources of checking every single add? makes no sense
the dopamine receptors must be fed at all times. No dead air allowed
@@poika22The Elon Musk scam ads are going crazy. I kept seeing a BBC deepfake about "Elon Musk finding a new investment opportunity". Reported it to Google 3 times and they said there's nothing wrong with the ad every time. Haven't seen it in few days, wonder if my report directly to BBC did the trick :P
I think the worst thing about RUclips forcing ads is a majority of the ads are for scams. Like game ads showing "real gameplay footage" of stuff that isn't even in the game, or "big tech tried to take out this inventor but he wants to help the world so buy this" ad, or the best is the choppy/blurry webcam of "elon musk" talking in a monotone robotic voice telling you the "secrets to becoming rich."
Don't forget the mass amount of lewd anime game ads - it's actually insane what they allow now.
Okay but if Elon Musk genuinely did tell us how to get rich
Would anyone even actually bother to believe him?
Dude would be speaking absolute bogus
Or misleading propaganda in the run-up to a general election, which really should be illegal.
This 100 times. I don't mind seeing ads on Instagram because they have referred me to genuinely useful products so many times it's quite surprising to me as someone who has detested ads since I was a little child watching annoying TV ads.
And most recently propaganda ads from an apartheid state
Respect for Louis' honesty. Agree or disagree, he is willing to send a thoughtful opinion out to world, and encourages us to make our own conclusions.
Fun fact, i WAS a paying customer, I've been for 3 years, and I've cancelled the subscription because YT premium / YT music started sucking.
Since I wasn't getting anymore what I was paying for, I just stopped giving google money, as apparently they aren't even able or interesented in keeping their paying audience and their service above the minimum line, thus their "pay us in money or by watching ads, or get an even worse experience" feels even more like coercion.
RUclips has gone down hill since they increased the prices of premium and playing longer ads
Because of adblockers we need to see multiple and longer ads
Poor boy
@@accountnotfound420995% of people dont use adblocker (this is worst case scenario, usually 99% of people dont use ad blocks) and if your BUSINESS relies on those 5%, that means something is seriously wrong with your business or you are just greedy
@@accountnotfound4209Do they tho? At some point, people will interact less and less with the ads. So they will basically be shooting themselves in the foot if they overplay the ad card...
RUclips went down hill after google bought them.
I think the bigger problem is the fact RUclips don't care about us regardless of whether or not we use an adblock.
Its more tgen that it feels like distain, where a inconvenience, instead of just providing a neutral capitalist service
Google/RUclips is a corporation, corporations don't have feelings
@@ChristopherHailey Corporations are still run by people, it's still people making decisions, AI did not yet substitute the executives, even though I think they should the first to lose their jobs.
I watch stuff on youtube because I have to, not because I want to. RUclips are a scumbag corporation and not one I want to support.
Though I do find myself watching the channels I like elsewhere whenever possible.
@@planescaped Bro they also make mad money off of selling our personal data. Do you have a Gmail account? Every single email is scanned for content they can sell. Use Android? Shit, everything you do is sent to Google so they can sell you.
I kinda wish you were still running repair things. I went to a local shop back when i was in Tulsa OK because my charging port went out on my pixel 3 xl, told them it was the charging port due to my own testing but i don't have the tools or time to take out every component to get to the board for the charging port, and the teenager behind the desk says “charging issues? Oh it's probably your battery.”
I looked him dead in the face and tried to explain that it probably wasn't the battery, and was the usb c port assembly. They said they'd replace the battery, i threw up my hands and said fine, all i wanted was to get pictures of me and my partner off of it anyway, i already had a new phone. If they put a full charge battery in it i could just ftp the photos. They put a battery in, turn it on, and leave it on a charger, low and behold it's dead when i go to pick it up from them. I tell them it's the god damn isb c port, they say “oh... Well we'll replace that then”.
I never saw that phone again. The store got bought out and the new owner couldn't find my phone in inventory. There goes all my music, pictures of me and someone I'll never see again, app development things, and my home RAID array failed catastrophically too so i lost all my backups.
tl;dr repair shops are scams and suck
On behalf of repair shop owners everywhere, I am sorry you had that experience. Business owners like that make our entire profession look bad. For every one like that though, there are the dedicated ones that bend over backwards to make every customer happy. I hope you have better experiences in the future and I am sorry you had that experience with one of us.
@@rossmanngroup honestly it just pushed me to buy more screwdriver bits, a heat gun, and some suction things to take apart my own hardware going forward. I'm not going to pay someone money knowing that it's a 50/50 if it actually gets done correctly anymore.
@@rossmanngroupit's happening the same with Google search as well
@@SignalRaptor_ It's funny because I can change a screen faster than a shop would get it done, so there's not even a convenience reason for me to use them anymore
I would have no trespassed the mfer! LoL
*A lot of people don't know, but I remember over 7 years ago, in one of RUclips channel videos, RUclips THEMSELVES were using AdBlock when right click on their mouse (in one of their tutorials) they had in their pop up window an AdBlock plug-in, it seems obvious for a company that is trying to fight against it, but it has been maybe a decade ago and RUclips never did anything until now, which I am not sure why this long, maybe the previous regime were smarter?*
You know when ads are ok? When you can see where they are (the good old yellow bars), when they don't disrupt the flow of the video (which they do, popping up in the most bullshit moments), when they aren't invasive (which they are, because the topics they cover are sensitive) and when they are limited (which they aren't, because they even allow HOURS of ads. And not just "good" ads, but a lot of scams and complete horseshit).
Until RUclips becomes a respectable company with legitimate practices, transparency and honesty the ONLY moral and ethical choice is to use adblockers. They don't like it? Too bad.
Yeah... The ads are ridiculous. The types they show (scams, viruses). The amount (5 at the start, skippable or otherwise), 5 at the midrolls and the worst of all 5 whenever the quality drops and you have to readjust it (which may aswell be deliberate). Oh and 5 if you try skipping ahead.
Ofcourse people go for adblockers.
Even with the frickin delay, it's preferable over their ads! Because its way more intrusive and obnoxious.
If anything hyper aggressive ads harm the product because it makes people associate it with a rude and obnoxious interruption
Tried to listen to some relaxing music on YT only to have 5 ads played in the 3 minute 30 second song. F'ck You YT!
I think about the yellow markers all the time lol. Just knowing when there's going to be an ad alleviates tons of hate.
The ONLY moral choice is not to use them at all. But you don't care about morality.
At this point I'm more doing this as a form of protest.
If google and yt actually moderate their ads, I whitelist my adblockers.
If they gave users or actual representatives of the community a voice on decisions like removing dislikes, I'd be less rebellious.
If dislikes return, then I'd consider us even.
If they had an actual functional support page and system, I MAY consider premium.
If they stop making it easy for their creators to dox themselves through their copyright system to nefarious actors, I WILL consider premium.
If they will stop selling my data with premium, I will buy premium. Simple as that.
They are a monopoly. I don't care if they're legally right to treat us like shit, they're not a small business. QoL and our basic rights/expectations should be met and maintained. Not degraded in the name of some CEO/board woke utopian wet dream.
Amen brother
Yes, yt is very hostile to their content creators and commenters, and the bias in yt is to the communist side for sure. In my mind, an honest company shouldn't have bias and absolutely not towards communism and wokeness. I don't want to be teached how to think and what to believe by yt. Exactly like I do not want to be teached how to think and what to believe by my government.
I dont how many times i have got " My computer got a virus but all i do is youtube." YT Ads have MALWARE now Louis is being an idiot if he thinks we will EVER stop blocking ADS EVEN EFFING PREMIUM HAS ADS NOW. Louis and YT can go suck each other off.
Interesting take, but RUclips is far from a monopoly. There are tons of streaming sites out there.
First thing I saw when I had to disable my adblocker to view videos was a mobilegame ad where some dude was licking feet...
honestly i would be that guy running librewolf if i wasnt extremely lazy
Everyone who watches this channel should consider
1) running librewolf
2) installing a canvas blocking extension
3) installing ublock origin
4) installing a ping blocker
5) having separate browsers for separate uses, that block unnecessary cookies otherwise.
Most of you already do this
@@rossmanngroup I am doing most of these things already but I hadn't heard of librewolf before your last video.
I'll need to look into it once a funeral has been dealt with.
I mean i use OPERA gaming with Ublock, still works lol
While my phone has multiple engines with adblockers
@@rossmanngroup What is a good canvas blocking extension and a good ping blocker
@@rossmanngroup Well now I feel like a chump for not even having heard of Librewolf. But I have now.
I wasn't that tech savvy to the point of blocking everything. There's probably a good chunk of people like me in the middle who don't know enough but know more than the average user. So I can say from my own experience that this whole situation is slowly teaching me all these things. People like me are the people who Google are going to miss; the group of people who will go out of there way to learn this stuff because this was the last straw.
I honestly don't care about the slowdown. If the ads were still 5 seconds max it might make me switch off the blocker, but I would much rather wait 5 seconds to load than watch the two 30 second unskippable ads I seem to get on every 10 minute video.
Or all those ads for obvious scams
RUclips FORCED us to use Ad blockers, because there were longer and longer ads, more and more ads, ads in the middle of 3 min videos, 3-4 ads in a 10+ videos, if they showed 15 sec ad for every 10 video you watched, you wouldnt need an ad block. Also, the amount of censoring and blocking of videos, have the algorythm have changed for the worse. Everything is becoming worse and worse, and why would you continue to support someone that gives worse user experience, but still demand more and more from the customers???
There was this invention a whole bunch of years ago. It was called (in its abbreviated form) VCR. Initially folks used them to record stuff for when they weren't going to be home. But, since in 1978 the regulated amount ads per 30- and 60-minute primetime shows was abolished (the limit was 5 and 10 minutes respectively), the NBC, CBS, and ABCs of the world started thinking, hey, what's another 30 seconds of ads? It's not much. And pretty soon every show no matter its length resembled a New York City subway car with all the sardines jammed in. So, folks started recording their Monday shows and watching them on Tuesday. But, hey, what about the Tuesday show? Well, folks bought 2nd tvs so they could record Tuesday upstairs while they watched Monday in the living room. And when the ads came on, they hit that wonderful button labeled FF - fast forward.
My mom had 3 tvs and VCRs in her house for the last 25 years of her life. If I had forgotten to set a show to record, I'd call her up and ask her, hey, mom, please record CHEERS, CSI, NCIS, or any of the other ones on regular channels.
If they hadn't jammed in so many ads into the shows, nobody would have really bothered to FF through them. Watching ALL IN THE FAMILY was not a painful experience ad-wise (it was actually pain free no matter what).
Shows were written (just like they are now) to account for the ad-breaks. The dramatic moments take place such that the ad-break doesn't mess it up. I joke about how when TOS - The Original StarTrek - went into syndication which meant more ads in the 60 minutes and things got cut, that it ended up with situations like KIrk goes to kiss the alien babe of the week and bam! cut to commercial.
I recall when SciFi channel first started (late 90's iirc) they announced with great fanfare that they were going to show the original Trek UNCUT! I thought, great, only 10 minutes of ads just like when it first ran and we see all the action. Nope. They didn't do it like that. It wouldn't be prudent. What did they do? They stuff another 30 minutes of ads and made it a 90-minute experience. I said no, Hommie don't play that game (I don't recall right now when In Living Color was on, but my point stands, I didn't watch any of it).
Sorry, I got on a roll. Thanks for reading.
@@bikeny Luckily i don't live in the US with the insane amount of ads and the ads they allow on tv there is insane, like the only country in the world that promote "medicine" or pills. But still here in Norway i don't watch tv because of ads every 25 min. And i think ads are a big reason why people don't watch that much TV anymore. But they blame streaming for the decline, but people want to stream to get what they want without the ads. but that experience is going to shit too, so people start to pirate more again. Give people a good experience and people will gladly pay. I refuse to pay for youtube because of their insane greed and policy. People would flee from youtube as soon as there was a good competitor, but when you have monopoly over a market you can do whatever you want.
Perfectly happy for this arms race to continue. RUclips can keep pushing ads and adblock devs can keep finding ways around it. If RUclips finally wins for good then maybe I'll be more productive and happy as a person but until then I'll do whatever I want on my computer with the data they freely chose to send to me.
When I see how bad the experience is for people who haven’t learned how to block ads... I’m sure that I wouldn’t be on the platform if that was the RUclips experience.
Haha, yes sir I love it. Thanks to the adblock block I just learned how to block the "context" bubble below videos thanks to Ublock and Redditors
It takes the uBlock Origins team a couple days to defeat what it takes RUclips a couple months to develop and it's hilarious.
I found another front end thanks to Ross. It's called Invidiious. I am ready to be kicked off RUclips anytime and I won't care.
youtube has already won
they effecitly incresed the value of youtube premium by messing up with adblock users
And in the process got rid of many people who used ad block
you and me we will use it and find ways, but most people in their 40s and casual viewers will not bother
aka the vast majorety
the funny thing is that they'd have to create a 15-240 second delay in order for it to even start being as bad as just using youtube without an adblocker, and even then, that delay isn't loud and obnoxious and potentially dangerous
The biggest issue for youtube (and why I can't see them getting away from this in any positive way) is the fact that instead of working on making the paid option better and more attractive so you actually want to pay for youtube premium, they instead work on making the normal experience worse as you said. legal or not is a different argument and arguing its illegal is silly, but it is a very bad look for them, especially if you're a longtime user of youtube (be that as viewer or creator). Back before 2010 you had no ads on youtube, you had a dislike button, everything was more free and less corporate.
Now if you want no ads (the rest won't magically change back) you have to pay to get the experience you had for free years ago? Why would I ever do that? No one in their right mind would ever do that, no company that actually values its potential customers does that. That's also part of the problem, from the start youtube does not you see you as a potential customer but as a potential product, encouraging the use of blockers because no one likes being seen as just a product.
Truly it is dystopian corporate hellhole we live in
They should tighten their ad quality control rules to block any inappropriate, scam and malicious ads instead of limiting the important features.
If there are no scam or malicious ads, all the user would be OK to take off the ad blocker
Most internet users are entitled nowadays simple as that , data and ads are the “payment”’for free services, now theres a moral stance for paid services that continue to steal data, theres plenty of alternatives to RUclips no one forces you to use it ,just like nobody forced you to subscribe to Netflix ect.
Nothing in the world is free.
Cheap money is gone it time to cut costs and increase revenue also nowadays RUclips,meta are competing to a money losing platform called tiktok
What kind of argument is that? You're not entitled to AD free RUclips. 🤣 RUclips is a business and if more and more people use adblock which cuts into their revenue and creators revenue they have every right morally and legally to do so. And if you argue that it's morally incorrect then so is the use of Adblock.
@JaeJae95 people also weren't entitled to pirate their games, yet it still happened and basically got solved when steam offered a service that was more convienient then piracy
A horse no longer afraid of the Rod stalls. only by the carrot can you truely succeed
I don't agree with this being ok as a business. Them trying to be sneaky about it just to make the service worse and make their competitor look bad is not ok. If a message appeared for 5 seconds on the screen saying: "Free user. Wait 5 seconds." on any browser that would be ok. But they're just trying to make it look like a slow browser problem, and most people aren't gonna notice the "special sauce code" running in the background. They're not being transparent about it, and are forcing you to use their own browser which is monopolistic and against the law.
I get why content sharing sites aren't held accountable for content people post on it, but they should be liable for the ads, if there's a scam ad from another country or a perpetrator who declared bankruptcy and is judgement proof, you should be able to sue Google directly and make them pay.
This
Absolutely
There is no way killing off section 230 for advertisements will not kill section 230 overall.
I recently noticed that (at least on the mobile app, I don't know for desktop) the skip button on double ads has been replaced with a "next" button, bringing you to the second ad. If YT wants people to sit through ads, they should not follow up an adblocker-block with making the ad experience worse. But that's just my opinion.
The *what* button?
Until a couple years ago, I never used an adblocker. The only reason I started using one to begin with was because constantly getting focus-killing midrolls during important moments, of wildly varying length, and of questionable legitimacy, if any at all.
Again, I was fine with seeing ads, until I got "Why is my mom so obsessed with that zucchini?", ads for magic mushrooms which I know are illegal where I live, and "female hypnosis techniques not suited for weak-minded men". I'm allowed to be mad about this because I was constantly given scams instead of an actual damn product.
That's not even a youtube problem as much as it is the creators you watch place those ads there, they chose that not youtube
@@bluegamer4210 uh no- monetized creators *used* to be able to choose WHEN ads would play- which RUclips took away recently for "automated Algorithmic BS ad control"- but they never had control over what sorts of ads youtube plays.
Also a sponsorship followed by an add that's what got me.
I have to wonder, do they even vet the content of these ads? Was there ever any mechanism to report an offensive or scammy ad? Thanks to adblock, I don't need to know the answers but I am just curious
The best thing is when you watch a video about scam ads and then immediately get a scam ad afterwards.
I'm a fringe case, but I pay youtube monthly via memberships to youtube channels that are primarily focused on streaming. In the time they've spent on this adblock crusade, the streaming side of youtube has been a CONSTANT mess of streams and chat completely breaking, on both the user and streamer's side, in completely new ways every month. Literally the only new feature they've added all year has been the emote spam button from tiktok, which no one asked for. I am an actual paying customer, and they've made it abundantly clear they still don't care, so I will continue to do everything in my power to not give them a single scrap of ad or data collection revenue.
They built a system near equal to Twitch during the RUclips vs Twitch time, as soon as they got praise for it from the community and enough people multicasting/swapping over they stopped caring. This is Google's MO, they buy up ideas, run them into the dirt, then move on.
The fact no one else seems to notice this fact is weird, we did see Linus and others mention it with Google Domains and other such services... but that's only because of the wide-reach it finally has, no one cared when it only reached 5% of the world's population.
They actively fight to make the service worse: for example, in removing the dislike count.
I literally have YT Premium and had an issue last month where the platform straight up wouldn't load; after eventually getting through to customer service, I was told to download Chrome (with the assertion that other browsers aren't actually compatible with the platform), and completely uninstall any adblockers I had on any web browser I was using. When I refused to do so, I was told that "failing to perform all troubleshooting steps" meant that the support agent would not help me any further. They don't care about paying customers either.
My personal problem with this entire thing is the general trend that these changes establish.
You providing free value and trying your best to make your service convenient means if you want to continue, you have to provide a better service. I fully back up and support this model. It is a good will and respect model.
RUclips goes in the opposite direction. It takes features away from the end user and charges money for things that were previously free. If they want to continue, they will keep making their product shittier and/or charge more for existing features. We're already seeing this in a lot of other companies (Netflix taking away account sharing for ex.) and even within RUclips itself with the recent price increase. This is an insidious model that is based on the company trying to eek out as much value as it can from the paying customer. As long as people keep accepting, they will never stop demanding more for the same service. Which is why in my view these companies MUST be opposed.
They just milk franchises until people despise it. Happened with a lot of mobile games like angry birds. They took their first game away from the store because it was too good and too cheap compared to new ones.
Companies don’t want to make you happy. If you like them, that’s just something they can make profit with when they need to.
You're definitely right about milking existing services... I mean I can't even add a video to a queue nowadays 🤬 right around the time they took that away was around the same time I was considering getting premium 😂 they screwed the pooch on that one.
Same with Strava. It used to have lots of free features that they have been moving to the paid version over the years. Well, that's for sure a way not to get my money.
The thing you said about making people want to pay you, made me realise YT caused the adblock issue by making ads more intrusive and annoying instead of going after adblock users in the first place. They probably pushed people to adblockers until they had no other choice.
Maybe if they did that originally they would have earned more money and not pushed youtubers to 3rd party ads/sponsors which gets them nothing.
Owned by same "tribe" of people that control our govt. Every thing they touch goes to complete
It seems clear that all big tech companies think consumers are dumb as rocks. I love it when people like you expose them to the general public keep it up!
The sad truth is that out of the 7 billion people on earth, maybe 500 million can be called computer literate, the rest are parrots just copying what they've seen others do.
Its....not that they think that its that they KNOW that with all the data they have...
Spotify is another one. Of course most end users don’t care if the artists are getting paid or not
I would have been happy to watch ads if they had them in sidebar, 1 skippable ad etc, but when YT started putting multiple unskippable ads in front and in middle of videos was when I started using adblock. Sorry not sorry YT, you did this. And even if they make the product worse for me, that is honestly prefereable option to watching 15 seconds of unskippable ad to me, addittedly, out of spite
idk if anyone ever buys a product that RUclips advertise i would never buy anything that is on here maybe amazon or hell if I am desperate temu never anything they show on here tbh (because of all the scams)
The main issue is really that this is more a failure of youtube's marketing and ad implementation teams than anything else. There's clear data that people are willing to watch ads, provided they never reach the point where they make the service experience poorer. There's also clear data that you catch more flies with honey. The guy who shamelessly leeches is an anomaly, rather than the norm. Until you act like youtube or twitch to everyone and create thousands of them by making people pay for poor service.
The second people start actually accepting premium youtube is when they'll start double dipping with ads as well.
RUclips has earned no good will.
For me to even consider supporting them, they'd have to either work more to promote independent content creators over corporate channels or fix the copyright strike system.
The actual implication is that RUclips has absolutely no intention of improving its paid service model to motivate customers to pay for it, but they will purposefully waste time and money degrading the service to those that won't or can't. And they will run code on your device to do it...
“Best we can do is keep raising the premium price”
I mean, there are extra bells and whistles to premium, but, the issue I take with youtube premium, is its either youtube music, or youtube premium. Cut music out of the premium service and its like 4 bucks a month. A TOTALLY reasonable ask for never seeing ads again. I would not mind paying 4 bucks and knowing that a portion of that goes to the creators I watch. I spend an unhealthy amount of time on youtube listening due to how astronomically boring my job is. But the fact they want me to pay almost 15 bucks a month is just a no from me.
@@goldenhate6649dudeeee its £17.99 per month
Would happily pay for it in a heartbeat if I knew the money was being used to fund more servers, and pay the creators.
But I'm not dropping 9 bucks a month so that RUclips can pocket 8.50$ of it, while continuing to DMCA take down dozens of channels for ultimately, non-issues.. like using 10 seconds of music in their video. Or shut down channels, or content strike creators like Louis, they're even censoring dislikes and peoples comments too. And I'm definitely not considering it now after they've shown how they treat people with adblockers.
Yeah. They’re making their base product worse in order to push their premium. They’re selling a solution to a problem they’re making. Thats what makes this frustrating to me.
I don’t really want to pay for something when it feels like I’m being coerced into paying for it.
As someone who listens to YT more than he watches it, it's not the unskippable ads that annoy me. It's the skippable ones that are otherwise several minutes long. I have to drop what I'm doing and skip the sob story of the more efficient heater scam or the grunts and groans of the click-bait game ads.
Seriously, those ads are a pain in the ass. I don’t really mind 5-15 second ads, i’d even sometimes let the skippable 15-20 second ads run…
But I really badly started using adblockers when those fucking 1 to 30 minute skippable ads started popping up. Screw them.
I fundamentally agree. I think this whole thing makes YT and Google look incredibly petty, and I think it's ultimately self-defeating. Do they realistically believe they're beating the adblock developers?
Honestly, if YT premium were £5 a month I think I'd be happy to pay it. £13 a month is ridiculously overpriced.
A reasonable subscription fee on YT should be "pay for data" just like with mobile phones. People that sit on YT for hours can pay more than people who just follow a few creators.
hell no.@@Avo7bProject
Same, YT subscription costs more than a lot of streaming TV services and yet those TV streams are creating very expensive content for their subscribers. RUclips is just a hosting service, they don't create jackshit. About £5 a month would be in the area I'd be prepared to pay
@@Avo7bProject Hell, it could even be a package like "pay x to watch y channels without ads per month". And be a rather small amount, something that would resemble the amount a creator would get for one adview. Would also discourage creators just trying to spam content, since it would not matter if they produce one video per month or 100.
i'd buy that for a dollar
I hate ads and will DO WHAT EVER I HAVE TO TO GET RID OF ADS. Even if I have to get a whole God Damn computer Science degree in order to figure out how to blocks ads for the world.
My main problem is that google has offered such a depreciating level of care and attention to their own platform in terms of features and community issues. I don't go to the extreme as some of your audience, they get my data but not my ad watch unless it's a creator I value enough to go through that for them. Honestly if RUclips Premium was actually a value ad service and competitive relative to ad blocker I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I'll always argue that is my problem. I love this platform but they keep making it difficult to want to be a paying customer. It sucks and I don't really know what to do other than use ad block and advocate for them to make changes that would lead to me being a paying customer. I'm not mad at their behavior, I'm just disappointed.
I would pay just for the adblock. But nooooo, we have to pay for the entire service or nothing at all. I don't want the bells an whistles, I don't want youtube tv, I don't want youtube music, but they force you into it.
This. Google's been shoving a lot of ads and always the same / bad ones. Meanwhile content creators have... received less and less payouts from google and google will just randomly not pay and there's zero accountability. Creators have to take on sponsors and create advertisements WITHIN THEIR OWN CONTENT to be able to afford to keep doing their job because google, the multibillion company that is supposedly their business partner / pseudo-employer decides they just shouldn't be paid more than a few % of what they get from the content.
Just yesterday i watched a video by cody's lab - in which he revealed that after 3.5 years he finally had a "temporary hold" on all the payouts for his content cleared because he got a bunch of help from friends (also content creators) to finally get him through to youtube. He will finally be getting paid (hasn't received it yet, so who knows).
RUclips is using my data to earn money and content creator's copyrighted content to earn money but neither giving the user a decent experience nor treating their "suppliers" fair is any priority. And then they have the gall to actively invest in blocking adblockers to prop up a premium (as in known to be several times more income for them) service because they apparently feel they deserve even more money.
I have sent so many requests for help and I get crickets, they don’t really care about your problems as long as they have your money
@@goldenhate6649Same. I just want the one RUclips man. I don't even listen to music. What am I going to do with music premium. I didn't even know that existed before.
totally agree
if their site moderation was not one of the most corrupt and crappy ones out there ...
as well if the ads werent that annoying or straight up scam/fraud/nsfw and invasive ...
but no as it is i will never disable adblock
There is a word for RUclips's reaction to adblockers: "floundering." Or perhaps, "flailing." It is common in companies that do not look ahead far enough.
Dude as a business owner myself and as a repair business myself, I completely 100% agree with you and I have always run my business the same way. Phone support is 100% free and I will help my customer to the ends of the Earth without running a service call. 100% because they are my good paying customers. I am with you 100%!
I get what you're saying, and you're right, RUclips can do whatever they want in this regard, but that doesn't mean we can't complain. If we can make the service better for ourselves, why not complain? If RUclips was a nice company that had built good will by always making decisions in favour of its customers, I wouldn't complain. But RUclips sucks. They consistently make the platform worse for everyone and show absolutely no care for people. So, why play fair? Honestly, don't waste you're time sticking up for them, they'll always be scummy and if we can hope to improve that through complaining and moaning, then I say that's the thing to do.
That said, it doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the video though, you're very easy to listen to and entertaining regardless.
Oh and one last thing, ad lock users can still be customers through membership, superchats, and other donations, so it's really no where near as black and white as you might make it sound, and yes also data (I don't care about them having my data, I know they take it, and I know it's still profit, so I reserve my right to complain anyway). So yeah I'm gonna complain no matter what until RUclips suddenly becomes a nice company.
As someone that’s literally worked in the adtech industry as a senior systems engineer, they are absolutely “stealing” your data via cookie tracking, viewing metrics, and other browser meta data that they use to massage ads based on a demographic and location.
That's true and what's worse the phones are reading our thoughts. Almost everyday I see very specific topics I've thought abt in the ads or recommend videos. I've experienced it for years. We are stalked and spied on and they still want more.
wow. I'm guessing you make hats out of tin foil huh? 🤪@@TejubescDM
@@TejubescDMyou are trolling, right?
Edit:
To all the people agreeing phones are reading our thoughts: you are ignorant fools with no understanding of words and their meanings.
To all the people saying they are spying on us: you are kids, right?
It's been a well known fact for at least a decade, that phones record everything you say.
It's literally written in terms and conditions...
I hope you are all kids, because the fact many of you wrote to "correct" and "educate" me, yet none of you said anything to the guy claiming phones are reading our thoughts, it's pretty worrying and shows a clear lack of understanding of reality.
That's why people used to say stay in school kids, because if you don't you'll end up saying phones are reading your thoughts, and other dumb individuals like you will agree and defend your statement.
How is viewing metrics stealing data? Isn’t that just data about how you use the product? What is being stolen here?
Cookie tracking I could understand
@@TejubescDM did an experiment with a couple of friends 4 years ago. we put our smartphones on a table and decided to talk about washing mashines for the whole night. the next day one of my friends had mostly adds for washing mashines. he threw his smartphone away and went back to using an older model.
I was getting those 5 second delays on firefox. Needless to say, I prefer this over an ad. I thought it was just my wifi acting up, but seeing this explains a lot. I'm guessing they want to see how many people would transition over to different browsers or turn off their blockers if they experience difficulties on firefox.
Firefox already existed before youtube became the center of the internet, and it will continue existing after youtube age.
I got that too, I thought it was just the adblocker doing it's thing.
Best thing is, you can easily get rid of that pause by either installing a simple Firefox add-on or adding a few lines into your uBlock origin filter list, both easily found in google. Literally better service that by paying them.
Assuming that everyone who is using adblock is also going to great lengths to block the theft of their user data is a pretty absurd take. Installing an adblock plugin is far easier than the steps required to block data consumption. The amount of people that would do that wouldn't even be 1% of the people who block ads.
Been searching the comments for this realistic take , was beginning to think I wasn`t going to see it , thanks Amyzonkers for making sense.
I used to pay but they raised the price and made youtube shitty so they converted me to an adblock user from terrible service.
I can confirm this. I have more knowledge than average user but im also lazy. It will take hours worth of focusing that task and search from internet how to do everything right. Im just too lazy do that unless someone force me to do that, or if its must to do for own and family security reasons. That 1% is too high estimate, most people are too lazy start doing that even when have knowledge. Its just how humans are. Lazy.
@@michaelcasey867 You're not alone in this line of thinking
it's just a lot of people have a the viewer power fantasy
Yeah I don't quite know how to remove my digital footprint so I expect them to still get ahold of my data. Don't know how much data Brave prevents them from taking. Either way since I use the Google playstore, Google is still getting my data. Might not be as much data as the common user since I will play around with the most obvious settings, but willing to bet they still get plenty of my data.
I don't think Google understands that these people will do whatever it takes to avoid ads. These people are not going to watch ads. Period. I know that even if I have to wait a full minute to watch a RUclips video, I will do it as long as I don't have to watch an ad.
It’s a lose lose situation for this battle with RUclips blocking ads. There are literally scam ads and useless spam ads nobody cares about. The fact that RUclips is doing this and increasing RUclips premium is absolutely ridiculous! This is an easy way to slowly kill off the volume of premium subscribers to other clone platforms with better perks.
Are there any platforms that are better? I've seen a bunch that are just serving content from the youtube infrastructure with a trick to prevent the ads which will be the next thing they go after, and a few where the perks are good today while they are new and small but once it starts to scale out if they don't see high donation / premium memberships the perks will go away until it is essentially the same as youtube.
@@PyroMikeHellwe have tiktok
@@PyroMikeHell What you said right here is why I'm not willing to trust a company ever again. Nowadays if something gets big, it's inevitable for it to become corrupt and I don't see this changing for a very long time. Nobody is going to write proper laws that actually combat scams efficiently and even if they do, they'll just affect a few smaller scale ones to make examples out of them and the richest companies will be unpunished. I'd love to see the big shameless monopoly burn but it won't matter because the ones who are making the horrible decisions are rich enough not to have to care and the only ones affected will be the many people working below them. We need a huge revamp of everything that's just not possible and will be opposed by people who are actively going against their own interests. Pretty lost cause.
RUclips without an ad-blocker feels like browsing a page in the early 2000s but somehow, even worse
I feel like this entire thing wouldn't be an issue if the ads that youtube were trying to push couldn't Hurt the customer. They should absolutely be putting the money they're pouring into this adblocker nonsense into actually vetting the ads they're putting on the site.
The new ceo is a quack
I turned off shields on Brave and the very first thing I saw on the RUclips home page was an ad for a phony Mr. Beast scam, promising free money to people who click the link. It’s disgusting how RUclips is so heavily prioritizing anti-adblock technology while doing absolutely nothing to vet advertisers or protect users from scams and viruses.
Most of Google's services are automated and barely moderated at all by a human being.
It has been this way since as far back as I can remember, since back when Web 2.0 was still brand new and shiny and we were all learning it, back then Google would ban you from ad-sense because your dynamic IP changed and a neighbour got it and clicked your ads (not the exact story but it shows the point I want to make)
If something they can do to improve the platform requires _any_ human resources other than a machine-moderator, they don't want to invest in it because it (to them) will be unsuccessful as they have to pay human beings a fair wage but they can tax exempt power bills and property taxes/rent.
Google used to have "Do no evil." in their company motto, it was removed at some point. Makes a man think.
My issue is that i dont like the ads that are pushed on me...i mean 90% of the people in the ad doesnt look like me, doesnt act like me, doesnt look like any of my friends...i have no reason to watch them...they are not meant for me i am just saving them time and energy
I tried watching RUclips on my ps5, in a 22 minute video, I got an ad before the video, 1 minute and 30 seconds into the video and then 3 more ad breaks in the remaining 20 minutes. I never even cared about ads before they CONSTANTLY interrupted the content
As long as RUclips allows malicious ads, I will adblock
they literally push me ads of mobile games where its literally softcore pornography fuck this shit ass platform Lmao
I found the whole Adblock block by RUclips to be fantastic. The other video sharing sites are getting pretty good.
I never used them before, but now at least 40-50% of my viewing is on other video sites.
If it hadn't been for the new policy, I'd never have realised how much good content is available "off RUclips".
Recommend some besides O-d-y-s-e-e
Wait until these other services get anywhere near as big and watch them change. Find me a company that doesn't change once it reaches maximum growth.
@@NoobNoob1986 Quite unlikely that a site like lbry/odysee would change considering it is basically p2p.
@@NoobNoob1986 either way, i'm happy that they exist and i hope they do grow. youtube's been sitting on a monopoly for way too long (and google in general on many more!)
@@NoobNoob1986 yup. remember when uber was a fledgling business?
If they think this will stop me from not having ads, they clearly haven’t been paying attention.
they don't think that, that's not even remotely close to their goal
they push softcore porn ads to kids so yeah fuck them to hell
It was noticeably slower the past few weeks but suddenly today it has been totally unusable unless you disable adblock!
FACTS, my gpu was going fucking crazy, I couldnt even watch videos without it lagging every 2 damn secconds, youtube is full of bullshit, they litteraly found a great way of disabling ad block, instead they make our computers...
For me, it's the attacks against content creators that make me want to make sure google never make a profit. If you want everybody to see ads, then everybody should also be allowed to monetize. No demonetization for any reason, good or bad.
The amount of subscribers required to monitize is too high. Its 1000 subscribers.
Irs unreasonable.
Stop using their services. Why continue..
THIS!! RUclips treats youtubers (specially smaller ones) like shi4
@@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073please tell me a good alternative then.
Not sure I'd agree with that as written, but RUclips is also being blatantly dishonest about demonetization. Since they took one step further and "tried" to make the experience worse for adblock users, I'll take one step further (in this probably-unsearchable comment section which could be deleted at any moment, and which no member of Congress or FTC employee will read) and point out that RUclips is clearly still committing the crime the US government caught them committing, and ordered them to stop. People say they're breaking EU privacy law, and that may well be true, but more importantly they're violating COPPA by targeting pre-teen children with personalized ads. That's why you can be demonetized unless you make child-friendly content which is nominally aimed at adults - a rule which is obvious Orwellian BS.
RUclips would likely defend themselves by claiming to be after the family market. They aren't targeting children under 13, it's the parents they want! Except, if you have children or know someone who does, you already know better. You know ~0% of parents with money are watching a long video without stopping to do something else. You know they'll take ads as an opportunity to go do something productive, and won't watch the ads. In fact, once you look - in a way the FTC has so far chosen not to do, and won't Google's critics in Congress find that interesting once someone brings it to their attention - you realize RUclips is counting on parents leaving and not watching the ads, which is why those ads are full of sexual material. Yet, someone at the company now wants to force those ads on everyone. If they continue down this path, they're gonna have a bad time.
The problem with ads on the internet in comparison to billboards, TV, and etc is the fact those do not track you, or are easily scams (happens all the time on Google's services, whether it be search or RUclips itself) or are even viruses. I think people would be okay with ads if they weren't targeted or malicious in any form and did what an ad is supposed to do under the law. Remember in the United States subminimal messaging in ads is illegal yet having viruses or actual trackers or actual scams in them is not.
As with most legislation in the U.S., it's tardy in the truest sense of that term. The only question is whether it really is delayed development or if it's done on purpose, conveniently unable to grasp the problem or offering solutions that set back the rest of the targeted industry as well as consumers of that industry.
@@kyleshockley1573 the problem the USA faces in government is generations of people who didn't grow up with technology but technology came as they were already adults.
tbf i don't even care if they are targetted
all i want is them to not be loud unskipable double ads one of which is a crypto metaverse scam and the other a mrbeast scam
Leave the ads in newspapers and tv. I'm not coming to internet to watch them again, I come to seek shelter from them. And no, I'm not "paying to stop seeing ads", everything on the internet was free from the day I first opened a browser, not gonna change that. Starts with 1 payment then they deduct 5923 fees and charges and operational costs off you the next time you look. Recurring, obviously.
billboard ads are usually vetted to be legit before they hire someone to go and put it on the board ... tv ads are actively buying real time slots so they also have to be vetted ... youtube ads on the other hand can be anywhere at any time and repeated as many times as it wants to be, can be added with 0 vetting and half of the time probably by faking payments
The EU should just force Google to stop allowing RUclips to detect ad blockers already
Yes, but unfortunately money talks.
That is stupid. Why would anyone lose on ad money
The EU should just force Google to stop. :D
Only stupid people think government interference is a good thing.
@@LeoDavidson You remind me of the people that think the government should do something about high gas prices. The government is the sole reason gas prices are so high.
Wow this video was so good to watch/listen to. Fully agreed and fully with you on everything you said. Well done.
How does this not break Anti-Trust? They're killing their Chrome competitors.
Sure but so many use chromium to begin with.
only with adblocker tho
yea waiting for 5 fucking seconds literally kills you
did you watch the video bro
@@cjspyker Nah man I tried a fresh and clean install of firefox and still got the delay and slow loading times, with the ads then loading after the delay
With even the FBI suggests to use a adblocker and RUclips trying this, it would be real interesting if the Federal Government got involved asking RUclips "Why are you doing this?!"
If the federal government gets involved, it will be bad for everyone. The federal government NEVER makes things better.
Why? because that same govemrent is giving premision to do as they please
funny how deregulation works
@@bluegamer4210 Indeed... don't get me even started at how the FTC utterly failed at the Microsoft Activision Blizzard Merger
because the fbi get's also a lot of information directly from google/alphabet. this is fine by me, because i at least pay google with my data and i am fully aware of it. the real crazy think is, that all the other big companies do it as well, including apple.
I didn't plan on putting an ad blocker on my laptop. Then I was following along on a repair for a dryer. There was a tricky part where the host did not do a good job showing what was going on and in the middle, there was an ad. Every time I rewound and watched the spot a 30+ second ad after the 4th time I installed the ad blocker.
What’s wild to me about this situation is that this started several years ago, it was literally caulked the adpocalypse. People thought that was over dramatic, but it was really about how RUclips caved to pressure instead of standing its ground, and at that moment, we saw this inevitable slow decline would come. That was the turning point, and there’s probably no coming back
i remember when people were outraged when the ad playtime got bigger. now it's whole commercial breaks inbetween minute videos...
@@portobeIIa or you trying to skip thru a video to find a piece of information and you get 5 different ad hits just to look at something for 2 seconds
People are finally starting to wake up to the fact that the adpocalypse was set up intentionally so they could force a dramatic restructuring that allowed youtube to steal money from creators at any moment with no explanation except for "demonitizeation"
What did it for me was actually not just the ads, which I agree are reprehensible and some times extremely offensive, but the one thing that did it was, during the plandemic, youtube wanted to force communism on me by making ads beneath the video telling me, trying to use fear tactics, to get the jab. I have free will, I do not want any government to tell me what to believe or not. And I trust my government as much as I trust google, which is less than zero.
And one could then ask why not to trust google, that is, again, not as much becasuse they steal data, it is because they have gone full woke. They literally promote pdfilia for example, while at the same time, blocking the content creators which are against it.
@@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable yep, and if you commented on mainstream news videos saying something like covid was made in a lab, your comments would be shadow banned ... shown to you but if you look incognito or from someone else they don't show..... that happens still today for anything that is too far against the narrative its really bad was worse on twitter
I don't think that the average person who uses adblock goes the full 100% to make sure Google gets none of their personal data.
So the "I pay with my data" argument does IMO make sense for the majority of people.
But what does Google do with your data? Serve you personalized ads. But you have an AdBlocker
98% of adblock users just don't want to see 45secs of ads for a 10sec video or deal with those 20min ones while their watching something
@@schwingedeshaehersthat's not the only thing they do with it
@@OlafoWafflegrosesly exadurating the reality of ads
thats not all they do. come on, use your brain. it's not rocket science @@schwingedeshaehers
I think the increase in adblock users started because of a problem with the ads Google gives to the user. I only looked into adblock after suffering through several medical episodes because Google doesn't follow the ADA in their ads. There is no quality control with the ads to avoid things like photosensitivity triggers (the thing those warnings about seizures you might see before some movies and videos refer to) which literally affects 1 in 4 people (imagine knowing a thing kills 1 in 4 people and getting mad when people ask you not to use it in spaces where it's unavoidable). And like my mom recently started looking into adblock herself because she is very bothered by gore and all the ads being sent to her now are gorey zombie things. Like I think for most the adblocks is actually just a symptom of a much larger issue on Googles side regarding the ads they not only let show, but in how those ads are then targeted towards people. And I think overall this war on adblock is not only a losing battle (these are the same people who generally do this kind of thing for funsies and when push comes to shove straight up pirate things) but also will be a straisand effect where plenty of people who were uneducated/unaware now know the option exists.
It didn't cause medical episodes for me but that is why I started using an ad blocker online 6-8 years ago. If a site is reasonable with their ad load and I like their content, I will likely disable the ad blocker. I don't want to literally have an ad every two minutes like YT was doing for a while.
Yup, I don't block ads just because I can, but because of the invasiveness, the sheer volume and the increasingly inappropriate topics and imagery.
A few weeks ago, a small site politely asked, with a small, dismissable banner, to disable my ad blocker, no invasive ads yada yada.
I did that, reloaded the page and got a full screen pop-up for a hentai game.
sigh.
Uhm no 1 in 4 people don't die from flashing lights 😂
Bruh.....in the space of 6 words you went from saying photosensitivity issues "affect" 1 in 4 people to outright claiming it KILLS 1 in 4 people. The first statement is definitely wrong, and the 2nd is just ridiculous.
PSE, photosensitive epilepsy, is very rare (+/- 5%) among people with epilepsy, which itself only occurs in 0.6% of the population. So the total rate of PSE overall is 0.03%, which works out to about 2.5 million people globally. Assuming the mortality rate of PSE is the same as for epilepsy overall, that's around 7500/year....
Long story short, no, it absolutely fu@$ing does not affect (and DEFINITELY doesn't kill) 1 in 4 people......
Google ads?
Seriously?
Have you seen how frustratingly terrible the ads on wiki pages are?
They’re the top reason people use adblockers.
When my ad blockers became a problem for RUclips, I just found a better one.
I feel like the metaphor falls apart a little bit when applied to actual reality. In truth, your service is not scalable the way that allocating server resources for services you host, so when an individual in your store is being tied up by that customer it actually directly hurts your bottom line in a quantifiable way. The drain a single free user has on RUclips's resources is so small in comparison that it's not fair to frame it this way.
For me, I adblock both because I hate ads and because I think that the insane scalability (and with it insane revenue) of this kind of service makes it borderline rent-seeking behavior to start going after the tiny amount of money you're losing to freeloaders. It makes it seem to me that they're done innovating, they're done improving their services, they're done doing things to make the service more attractive despite the fact that complaints have been piling and piling.
Which is more morally contemptible: Forcing and targeting ads on a service that hasn't seen meaningful improvement in ages that may or may not introduce vulnerabilities to your system and reaping insane rewards for it, or accessing that content without allowing Google any chance to do that to you (and thus make no money off you)?
and when you add up all those "single users" from across the whole world, what percentage of youtubes' resources does that account for?
Given how long RUclips has been around and that they're only just now actually facing this head on I think it's reasonable to say that historically it has been negligible. I doubt that's changed much. Seems more realistic to me that they're doing this now because it's the final stone they've left to juice before they admit they can't increase profits without becoming a subscription service anymore.
Also, my point about it being a single user was about comparing a single user blocking ads but otherwise not interrupting the service to a single customer who observably and directly impacts the service other customers are receiving and how that comparison is unfair given that even if it is a profit drain an adblocking user on RUclips isn't negatively impacting the service for others, thus doing nothing to hurt the business outside of the bandwidth and electricity cost to send me stuff.
You could argue that because this negatively impacts the creators as they don't get paid for blocked ads, thus hurting the platform, and I could rebut that blocking ads is important enough to me that they would never have received that ad view from me if adblocking weren't possible in the first place.
Ironically enough, youtube going against adblockers made me hyper aware of how google could use my data and now I'm removing as much information as possible on all of my internet accounts. I guess I lost the "customer status", and they lost a costumer. I wonder how many other people did the same.
If you didn't spend any money on youtube... you were never really a customer tho
You lost your keys yet status
@@clausk1817...but s/he is also no longer a product. So... lost revenue for Google.
When you misspell a word and wind up turning it into another word...
You were never a customer, you were always a product. Now you are a less valuable product.
The worst part for me is that, when I finally got the notice "you cannot watch videos with adblockers enabled", I actually turned them off for RUclips. What does RUclips do? It still sends me that black screen with the message that I am still using adblockers and I have to refresh the page to watch the content, effectively making me load every video page twice. Even if you comply, they still make your experience worse and treat you poorly.
Again, that might be a bug, more than an intention to provoke. Try to focus here instead. The video here states the truth, google owns the web site and can treat non paying customers as it likes. This is not the issue at all. The issue is, how youtube is totally biased towards communism, removing content creators which are conservative, promoting evil like pdfilia, and in that way spread propaganda forcing false beliefs onto people. I am not going to youtube to let youtube teach me how to think, what to think and what to believe. I definitely do not need a bunch of hippies to tell me that men can give birth, and then, in the same moment, threaten me if I do not want to get the jab for something that isn't real.
If I couldn't block ads I would stop watching RUclips
13:58 Yep, that's exactly the point and the problem with what RUclips is doing. They are not making service better for paying customers, they are deliberately and artifically making it worse for non-paying users.
In addition, unless Googles starts a campaign on bettering the advertisement and removing all the false advertisement, that pretty much tries to sell you products with an incorrect representation or straight away a scam, I am not turning off adblocker ever again.
This. EVEN if you pay for premium, you still get ads in your home screen
My biggest issue with ads is malvertising. The ad network gets infested with malware, and spreads it to anyone who VIEWS the ads, let alone clicks them. I do most of my internet browsing on my Android phone or on Linux, but sometimes, malware can infest Linux, or I'm trying to look up something specific to Windows or what I'm doing on my Windows machine (mostly gaming or pro audio). This was the main reason I started using ad blockers in the first place. Many... less reputable sites are not even safe to view at all without ad block.
Ah yes, more spite to fuel the minds of Ublock origin.
RUclips has gradually increased the level of ads on their system. Now I find that they are now refusing service when using an adblocker.
I think the general thinking of the RUclips community is that, if they quit having predatory ads, removed people from the platform who are predatory regardless of channel size, and started righting the wrongs of the accounts falsely removed, and repaired their DMCA system as I have had music which was made from scratch and sounded nothing like the music they claimed it to be. when I filed for appel with proving the original creator and all and was still denied. Most of us would not have a problem with the ads or the premium.
DMCA isn’t exactly RUclips’s fault
The fact they refuse to defend the victims is
Copyright itself is seriously fucked and the only reason RUclips has its current system is because they don’t want to deal with it
Most people I know (normies) don't know what an adblocker is. Well done, RUclips, now they will know because you are telling them they exist.
Wake up its 2023, the normie term fade is sooo over unless its coming back + as when that term was dying off in like 2013 (aka people started to use is far less) it became so uncool to say that people started to change the word in a way, where to say someone or a group is a normie makes you the normie since everyone back in the past started to use that term. So if the word is coming back into fashion then that just makes it confusing to the logic behide it.
But anyways back to the topic comment it self yeah you are correct on what you've said as yes it's the Streisand effect that is happening with this fight for adblockers to stay. I have even see some people say they are only using adblockers now to show google/youtube that we don't want you getting richer. Mainly cause they have noticed its annoying them.
@@FluffyChops Wake up its 2023, the furry term fade is sooo over unless its coming back + as when that term was dying off in like 2013 (aka people started to use is far less) it became so uncool to say that people started to change the word in a way, where to say someone or a group is a normie makes you the furry since everyone back in the past started to use that term. So if the word is coming back into fashion then that just makes it confusing to the logic behide it.
Man, this channel is slowly turning into my favorite. After a full day of digging into robots, that's just what I need.
cool job, do you dig into terminators?
No one would mind ads if they weren't so intrusive and weird.