Liszt Apres une lecture di Dante Cziffra Rec 1959.
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- This is probably as close to a Horowitz recorded performance of the Apres une lecture du Dante had he ever recorded it. Cziffra's might have even surpassed it.
However, Horowitz would never have performed on a piano as poorly voiced and tuned as the one Cziffra uses here in this live recital. .
His playing is amazing, sounds like world is coming to an end in inferno part. Pity Cziffra is not as well known as others, he deserves attention, he's in the top league of playing (in my opinion)
Una tecnica superlativa per una visione e una lettura grandiosa ed emozionante perfettamente aderente al Sommo Modello che ci tiene senza fiato dalla prima all'ultima battuta
Cziffra a été descendu à coup de maillet par une critique élitiste de fan(natiques) d'autres pianistes de la même époque. On disait qu'il était un saltimbanque, un artiste de cirque... Or Liszt était lui même considéré comme un saltimbanque par les puristes de son époque. D’ailleurs à une certaine époque de sa vie il se déplaçait en roulotte pour se rendre aux lieux de ses concerts...
Vive le Cirque alors, vive les saltimbanques!
English-Cziffra was taken down unceremoniously by critics and by his rivals.
He was dismissed as a ‘daredevil', a circus act…Liszt himself was called a daredevil by
purists of his era. At a certain point in his career he traveled to his concerts in a
Caravan…..So, long live the circus, long live daredevils!
According to the repertoire documents, Horowitz did played Dante in 1933-1934 !
Unfortunately, until today, no recording shows up :(
シフラは正統的、シリアスな作品においても十分な技巧でリストの表題音楽を表現できることを証明した。単なる曲芸に終わっていないのが素晴らしい。
Відкрила несподівано цього великого піаніста з Угорщини. Подяка тим, хто дає нам змогу слухати цих велетнів піанізму.
At his best Cziffra was simply stupendous!!!!
best version I ever heard ...
Lorys0107 listen to John Ogdon’s as well...if you liked Cziffra’s you won’t regret it...cheers.
@@pianosenzanima1 I like that, but the audio quality is so bad
legend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know what is hilarious about Cziffra that has him surpass all others of the Golden Age and even of todays masters(of the names as Richter, Horowitz, Bolet, Arrau, today's Hamelin and etc.)? Besides Cziffra being thee greatest and most gifted man to improvise on the 88 keys what he did and that we are blessed to have had him be a part of this past generation where there was the modern technology to record, this is the fact: Cziffra did not go outside the bounds of Liszt, proclaiming himself in all of his glory, he just played the music for what it was and still is truly worth in its most purest and most revolutionary state. And the Lord blessed him with such a raw gift and vision to ultimately see the music as it really and seriously is. No one plays like this anymore. Actually to be honest with you(from past and actual current experience being a performance major myself within University), if you were to play like this within the highly statured curricular system of University today, you would honestly be called out as an irregular, someone who sticks out, who breaks the rules and goes against the system; the way Cziffra played defies modern doctrine. I do not believe in reincarnation. I am fearfully and wonderfully made as you are who is reading this, and same for Cziffra. But just as Princess Belgiojoso stated at the end of the famous battle between Thalberg and Liszt, "Thalberg may be the first pianist in the world, but Liszt is the only one". And right here, before us, Cziffra. You have changed the world with your ethereal vision and one of a kind gift. Cziffra, I truly believe you were thee ultimate man that completely and utterly understood how to play Liszt and really somehow bring his spirit back into todays society when you were alive and be thee closest reminiscence of the personalities, mannerisms,, absolute radical musicalities and unbounded virtuosity of Liszt. I wish I could of met you, sadly I was born the year you passed away.
+CziffraTheThird One of the best paragraphs I've read concerning the Master.
"The Lord", huh?
I love Horowitz, but his Liszt is just not to my taste. Cziffra's playing is exuberant, unpretentious, and organic. Aside from the usual virtuosity in the more volcanic passages, his playing in the lyrical passages is as sensitive as any pianist's, and there's just something about the exuberant climaxes at 10:00, 13:53, 14:00, and the coda about which the only thing I can say is that it "hits the spot". His phrasing in in the LH octaves at 14:00, in particular, the way he starts off a little tenuto, is unlike any other performance I've heard. A lot of these characteristics can also be found in Cziffra's recording of Liszt's second Ballade.
OMG, these bases.. I never heard Cziffra to play this masterpiece. As if Liszt blessed him from his grave. Horowitz doesn't even come close. In every pianist's live there's the single moment of glory to which all his/her achievements lead and the moment becomes the pinnacle of the pianist's path both as a craftsman and the artist, the moment of truth. I think that what we hear is perhaps such moment that wasn't matched by any other event in his performing afterwards.
Wonderful!
I can't find the Horowitz's version you are mentioning
Először is szögezzük le, hogy Cziffra Györgyről van szó, aki szintén a Liszt-művet adja elő, azaz a Dante - szonátát. Nem is akármilyen színvonalon. Itthon nem kapta meg a méltányos megbecsülést. Ahhoz Franciaországba kellett mennie. Ez a felvétel is ott készült.
Gracias ...
J'abonde totalement dans le sens de notre ami Cavalcanti Ed... et je précise que les Feux follets ne proviennent pas du récital de Turin mais de celui de Besançon en 1961. (enregistrement radio)
I agree completely in the direction of our friend Cavalcanti Ed .. and I said that the Wisps are not from the recital of Turin but that of Besançon in 1961. (Radio recording)
of course silly to write Cziffra great, but I can't not do that - he is The Great undoubtedly!
close to Horowitz ?!? it leaves him and everybody else in the dust !!!
Ikr...most Idiotic description... Horrowitz and nobody else couldn't hold a candle to Cziffra's technique and spirit.
How would you rate the performance of Vazgen Vartanian? His recording is here on youtube.
3:00 WTF!!! Impossibility of impossibility
The Possibility of Impossibility ❤❤❤
that is what they call "miracle"
For sure!
How right you are! The piano is a dead give away. Horowitz on his pampered Steinway would have been identified immediately when compared to this very remarkable performance by Cziffra. The manic and ferocious playing is nearly identical. Which do I prefer? They both tell their story and hold you captive but the greater poet of the keyboard is here.
It's funny when people say that a virtuoso pianist plays on a 'pampered' piano, but no-one seems to think to describe a violinist in those terms when they play on a Stradivarius. I guess a craftsman shouldn't care about his tools!
this instrument doesn't approach the range and color of Horowitz great Steinway! and the greatest performance I ever heard was Brendel on a perfect for this piece , Boesendorfer in Wien!
Technically impressive. he's a great musician but my favorit e recording of this is an old RCA LP of David Bar-Illan.
Awful piano, brilliant performance. One can picture vividly Dantes Inferno through Cziffras volcanic performance.
The piano is perfectly all right if a little out of tune in the treble.
With Cziffra, who would want to hear Horowitz play Liszt at all? Horowitz should have better stayed off Liszt and Chopin altogether.
Comparing Cziffra with Horowitz is a remarkably crass thing to do. Cziffra was a fabulous technician, possibly the greatest of the last century. But as a musician he was, at best, mediocre; quite often, as in much of this sloppy and pretentious "Dante", even worse. His fingers outrun his brain with a vengeance. Even Horowitz at his Lisztian worst (e.g. Mephisto Waltz No. 1, Legende No. 2) shows imagination and musicianship that were quite beyond Cziffra.
After Cziffra all other renditions sound boring with the exception of maybe Lazar Berman. So for "imagination" and "fingers outrun his brain". I assume that if it turned out that this recording was Liszt himself that would turn the tide in his favour. To each his own of course, that's why any comparisons aren't "crass". I never was an admirer of rather flashy and shallow style of Horowitz and have to agree with what Richter said about him: "such a phenomenal talent and such a tremendous mediocrity!" I liked most of his early recordings though. What is "Lisztian worst"? I guess that this has to do with contempt for Liszt in some segments of European and American society going back to the time of Liszt himself and certain tendencies to resent this type of pianism that are still alive today. For example, Cziffra's rendering of Hungarian Rhapsody No.2 leaves much better impression that completely far-fetched out-of-character performance given by Horowitz in the 1953 concert. Cziffra is a throwback to the Romantic style of 19 с. that today is viewed as an unwelcome extravagance.
On a sidenote: "slower" is not "more musical".
@@gaiusflaminius4861 ditto.
Definitely agree with the sentiment of the reply; I only disagree with your statement that Horowitz was a mediocrity and that most other interpretations sound boring after listening to a Cziffra interpretation. For example, I enjoy listening both to Horowitz’s and Cziffra’s interpretations of Liszt’s Hungarian Rhapsody No. 6; each has its own merits. As you said, though, to each his own. Also, I might have to steal your phrase at the bottom; there are a whole lot of people on RUclips who seem to equate slower playing with greater musicality.
Horrible !!!!!!