A thing that differenciate electronic music made with old school hardware vs. modern DAW is that old drum machine (like the 909) have some little imperfection with their timing, this add up to the MIDI sync imperfection that you got with all analog (even some digital) synth, it can give a more natural sound, more "human" (not as much as real players with "manual" instrument though). It's not something that you can't achieve with a DAW, but where it will happen naturally with old hardware, you have to think about it (and set it yourself) when using a computer. And of course, using old samples will also give you that feel from the records you use :)
It's possible. There is randomness parameter in quantization settings on every DAW. In Ableton, it works exactly as the imperfections of the hardware sequencers...
@@vescopetcov I didn't say it was impossible, but it's something you have to think about and choose a setting to make it happen, with the hardware you don't have to think about it. Result can be kind of the same but the difference is more with the intentions :)
I mean I really feel like this depends on the type of music you’re wanting to make and what the producer’s objective is. I could come in here and say “that’s insane take to have on David Guetta when he has quite a few #1 hits and Daft Punk only has one.” But the response from a lot of people would probably be “it isn’t about going #1.” However, to David Guetta, it probably is. He likes to make hits. So he follows structures and formulas he knows work. Daft Punk likes to be artistic. So they’re not as focused on it.
Once had a Juno 106 with a Daft Punk VIP sticker and an Olive Records sticker. Heard they borrowed the synth for a live show. Olive Records music reminds me of Daft Punks early music from the Homework album
Turns out, the outboard gear (drum machines, sequencers, grooveboxes) does random rushing and dragging (5-6ms). Different channels and notes with different values. Thus a single pattern never sounds the same when programmed on those hardware machines. The same (or probably - something similar) can be achieved in Ableton when using a groove template on whose settings you apply ~5% randomness. I thought Ableton's randomness of the groove does pushing or puling of all the notes together - if rushing - all the notes on all channels with a groove applied would be juxtaposed a little earlier but in one exact point. I've made some tests - it turns out the randomness is per note - all the notes falling on a given beat (time) are randomly scattered around that point with a given value. It's exactly like on a real drum machine. But I still will use hardware in every given day.
great video! hmmmm... sampling and using recorded audio has never been easier, but using everything inside the DAW makes the workflow so much easier and quicker. i have some analog gear just sitting around... i think i'll finally use it over the weekend.
It's rad too how there's great sounding and affordable analogue gear being produced these days! Does my Berhinger rd-9 sound like a Roland, not really, good enough though and was like 1/20th the price.
forever thankful for Behringer and their affordable clones. For years, like since I was 14, i wanted to get my hands on a Roland TR-909 because of Daft Punk. Way too expensive for me. Now I own the RD-9 (and an RD-8).
Why you show david guetta the fake producer in your documentary, he is the opposite of the french touch in france, he makes music for tourists in holiday and in France we don't like hime, he is commercial and to the opposite of the french touch music like dAFT pUNK Justice Bob sinclar Superfunk Cassius ...
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A thing that differenciate electronic music made with old school hardware vs. modern DAW is that old drum machine (like the 909) have some little imperfection with their timing, this add up to the MIDI sync imperfection that you got with all analog (even some digital) synth, it can give a more natural sound, more "human" (not as much as real players with "manual" instrument though).
It's not something that you can't achieve with a DAW, but where it will happen naturally with old hardware, you have to think about it (and set it yourself) when using a computer.
And of course, using old samples will also give you that feel from the records you use :)
It's possible. There is randomness parameter in quantization settings on every DAW. In Ableton, it works exactly as the imperfections of the hardware sequencers...
@@vescopetcov I didn't say it was impossible, but it's something you have to think about and choose a setting to make it happen, with the hardware you don't have to think about it. Result can be kind of the same but the difference is more with the intentions :)
Yup, and that's why there was Revolution 909 😊
Well said friend. Human after all is the aim.
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Actually drum machines also had their own feel because of the imperfect timing. A 909 is never perfectly on the grid
I mean I really feel like this depends on the type of music you’re wanting to make and what the producer’s objective is.
I could come in here and say “that’s insane take to have on David Guetta when he has quite a few #1 hits and Daft Punk only has one.” But the response from a lot of people would probably be “it isn’t about going #1.” However, to David Guetta, it probably is. He likes to make hits. So he follows structures and formulas he knows work. Daft Punk likes to be artistic. So they’re not as focused on it.
Once had a Juno 106 with a Daft Punk VIP sticker and an Olive Records sticker. Heard they borrowed the synth for a live show. Olive Records music reminds me of Daft Punks early music from the Homework album
Great video mate!
well explained!
Turns out, the outboard gear (drum machines, sequencers, grooveboxes) does random rushing and dragging (5-6ms). Different channels and notes with different values. Thus a single pattern never sounds the same when programmed on those hardware machines. The same (or probably - something similar) can be achieved in Ableton when using a groove template on whose settings you apply ~5% randomness. I thought Ableton's randomness of the groove does pushing or puling of all the notes together - if rushing - all the notes on all channels with a groove applied would be juxtaposed a little earlier but in one exact point. I've made some tests - it turns out the randomness is per note - all the notes falling on a given beat (time) are randomly scattered around that point with a given value. It's exactly like on a real drum machine. But I still will use hardware in every given day.
How would you go about inserting that 5% randomness exactly? Can you explain pls
great video! hmmmm... sampling and using recorded audio has never been easier, but using everything inside the DAW makes the workflow so much easier and quicker. i have some analog gear just sitting around... i think i'll finally use it over the weekend.
Nice!
Daft Punk Used Emagic Reason Abelton & Protools for Sampling & Production. the Drum machine was sampled to these d.a.w.s you say were rigid lol
cool video
It's rad too how there's great sounding and affordable analogue gear being produced these days! Does my Berhinger rd-9 sound like a Roland, not really, good enough though and was like 1/20th the price.
forever thankful for Behringer and their affordable clones. For years, like since I was 14, i wanted to get my hands on a Roland TR-909 because of Daft Punk. Way too expensive for me. Now I own the RD-9 (and an RD-8).
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Why you show david guetta the fake producer in your documentary, he is the opposite of the french touch in france, he makes music for tourists in holiday and in France we don't like hime, he is commercial and to the opposite of the french touch music like dAFT pUNK Justice Bob sinclar Superfunk Cassius ...