I just wanted to cover a strong slept-on weapon that I use and think is one of best weapons, since people askd me about Stahlta while they have Stahlta video from Moug who spams it 24/7 :D No reason to have VS for this, altho Quellor better 100% ;]
@@LA_MALA_ORDINA i kinda shure moug had a video about quellor. And Moug doesn't think sthalta is best dps weapon, not even most confortable weapon. He treat it as a perfect (best and perfect are different words) weapon for wisp (cuz she synergizes with it really well) and wich gives him estatical (in visual and sound) satisfaction. E.g. in his weapon tierlist he told that if "best" weappn would be weapon with most damage - burston and toxocists would be undoubted top 1, and when he did put sthalta at 1st place he told sometging like "nobody except me woult put sthalta as a best weapon in this game". So he's sthalta's fan, but not a sthalta's crazy stan.
I am not sure why there are so many people that are referencing me in the video's comments.. especially since I do like quellor myself. I just like stahlta more because its way more versatile and especially since both firing modes are multiCO on it while on the Quellor only the secondary fire is multiplicative. This is a really good showcase of Quellor's capabilities in this video. The only reason its not more popular is its farming method. (Its not hard people just dont like railjack xd)
I mean idk why myself, me vs you, while I do love both weapons myself, since I just enjoy the alt fires alot. People coz of you wanted me to make the vid, but why tf would I make Stahlta vid when "Stahlta guy" alrd made vid for it, had 0 sense for me :D
@@Havoc1222 personally i love the stahlta because of its AOE (introduced to it by watching mougs vids) but its nice to see how there is a gun with similar feels for big number enjoyers, (dang i need to farm this)
@@kronen489if you like big DMG numbers, I highly recommend Kuva Chakkhurr. It's among one of my favorites and I have a Riven for it that's like +60% slash, +60% heat, +102% multi shot, -20% ammo capacity. The ammo ain't bad because I've already got Vigilante ammo mod on it and it only subtracts like 2 rounds from the total ammo count. It deals increased damage on headshots with a guaranteed impact proc on direct hits, pairs great with Internal Bleeding and Semi Rifle Cannonade since it's a sluggish firing rifle anyway, giving your impact procs also a 75% chance to proc Slash. I've seen Slash DoT's for the damn thing hit the hundred thousands without even doing a mag dump 😂
I believe this gun will be my last “pretty normal rifle with a crazy BOMB alt fire” to collect, and I’m very excited for it. Didn’t really plan on it being last, but after seeing a few more videos, it seems that this rifle might top the shhhtahlta and Battacor(my favorite at the moment).
I built my Quellor for Corrosive/Cold and alot of Crit and made use of the Primary Frostbite Arcane. It absolutly destroys single targets and corridors
The roll is good, no need to list numbers when referencing rivens unless you have s grades, stats for a given weapons riven will be in a set range depending on if it has a negative or is a 2 stat so people will be able to gauge the numbers 😃
I think it might have been a wrong Stahlta build because I am doing millions with just the primary fire as well, and without any buffs or priming whatsoever
Aptitude serration deadhead primed cryo crit delay vital sense riven with tox cc CD, and hammer shot, millions of dps, alt fire huge area doing a few millio, then considering it's full auto normal and each round is doing 100k to 300k, I love both also.
Finally an excuse to rebuild my quellor. Also this is a gun that gas the possibility to not fit all max ranks mods. at least in my build I cant fitt all prime mods+ exilus+riven together at max rank
This is the comfiest gun in the game imo. I usually run Tactical Reload over Terminal Velocity because pocket reloading is a really nice QoL upgrade considering how long the reload is, but Terminal Velocity is way better to run for KPM
This may be the strongest weapon in the game, however it is nowhere near the best weapon in the game, namely Torid. It kills 20 lvl 215 ExoGoks basically instantly (~1s) with a blast + corrosive build. (Revenant with Roar + 2 green shards, Torid with riven and a crit damage + Fire rate Panzer)
Yea, 1 guy wants big numbers, the other wants fast kills Killing enemies as you mentioned is nothing for someone who wants to see bilions :D Idk how to even title stuff, defo not BEST coz I always say BEST weapon is your favorite weapon in warframe. Strongest might have hit the mark idk
I've a zaw that can clear a 40m radius of basically anything with Voruna, no riven needed. It's kind of funny to see how I extract with 97% damage dealt even in a 1hr SP Circulus and many times over the kills of my teammates combined 😆😢
Hello, I have a few questions: 1st Do you use normal serration because you dont usually change Bane mods? I personally always change bane mods and I was wondereing to replace serration with banes. 2nd Have you considered using internal bleeding? Quellor has a garanteed impact proc and it a was popular mod when I build mine. Nowadays I Dont remember why
@@Havoc1222 mine runs just under 600%, but I have adaptation+rolling Guard+fast deflection+arcane Aegis and 2 casting shards instead of 5x red. I like using her 4 and that's a requirement for it
Are you sure galvanized aptitude is multiplicative with serration? Because every other youtuber says its not and that if youre using it with at least 3 status effects serration is just not worth it, especially with an arcane.
It is, on Quellors alternate fire. Most weapon dont multiplicate with it, but there are few exceptions, if not primary fire its the alternate, check wiki for every weapon :P
Alrighty my guy you Moug, and Morning are my favorite Warframe guys! But what I will say you and Moug talk about the strongest stuff but will buff the living hell out of the weapons. I mean if I add all these arcanes/Warframe synergies ofc the weapon(s) will be good. I’m not bashing or anything ijs, I tried the quellor and it was ass but I’ll just go and add the req and then see
you missed the point, you use staltha to clear full rooms with the aoe in day to day gameplay. Quellor actually needs you aim, staltha doesn't, the AOE is way too big!
The guy you prob watched has the same bias for the Staltha as you have for the "Mecha Dog". Lol. Is it really the best? Can we see? And/or does it bring more to the table than things better at spreading? Does spreading make sense even, when we now have pets that kills before we can even shoot?
i wish you showcased more raw power of weapons without any buffs to make it more realistic, it takes way too many steps to achieve this kinda damage very specific too.
I tried to do same builds, as close as possible, altho ofc its not really possible, since Stahlta will gain big from aptitude only on the direct hits, main factor for me is just how much shots you do on alternate fire and the charge rate
@@Havoc1222 well, the problem with same builds, is someone could take a Stahlta build, copy it onto a Quellor, and go “look the Stahlta performs better even when same build is on both weps”. The problem, is that both weps have different stats, benefit from not all the same mods like you said, and use different builds. Some mods are similar ofc, but very few weapons use the EXACT same mods, especially when the weapons have different stats. I use both weapons. I have a similar build on my Quellor, but I would not use that same build on my Stahtla. Likewise, I have builds for my Stahtla, that I would not use on my Quellor. Since you’re just talking about the Alt mainly it seems, are you only doing an AoE comparison? Or is it only an Alt Fire comparison? Because the Quellor is benefitting big from Direct hits on Headshots from the Primary Deadhead as well. The weapons perform differently due to different stats, and even the Alt fires both perform and function quite differently to each other, and have different use cases as well.
Yeah, one time i got Quellor in the circuit and was like damn this gun is pretty good, after that i wanted to build it and try it out, i got the missing parts from warframe market but completly forgot about it 😂 thanks for reminding me im gonna try it now for sure, maybe with Koumei, but i dont want to watch the video for ready build sorry, gonna try to tinker around myself
I prefer the headshot modifier from deadhead, but if you do some magazine capacity why not, with a riven for it esp. I tried to get one actually for variations, but so far no luck, just got the one on vid Primary Merciless is probably better to consider for reload speed
Oh boy, Moug is gonna throw a fit again. Here's what I've found in my testing: Stahlta performs well, mimicking his showcase videos, ONLY when used on Wisp (to fix the fire rate), with Xata or Eclipse, and built for raw damage, with a riven to fill in other stat gaps. It's a weapon that needs a LOT of help to perform BUT, if you give it the help, it does actually perform. Personally, I hate the damn thing. Low ammo, long reload, feels weird. No thank you. I'll stick to the real best weapon in the game, the Quanta Vandal.
@@Havoc1222 I can hardly criticize Moug too much for being a Stahlta propagandist, because I'm a hardcore Quanta propagandist. I'm giving Quellor a try as soon as I can though, so mission accomplished. I just never play Railjack so it hasn't ended up in my collection.
Showing Quellor as interesting weapon - good. Comparing to stahlta.... Its like comparing tonkor to nataruk, two completely different things - Quellor is supposed to do more damage because its not aoe
Thing is I wanted to show slept on weapon and I just used Stahlta in vid coz ppl kept asking for Stahlta for some reason, while I just showd something else :D Main idea of the video is power of Quellor not comparing it
And honestly both are kinda AoE, infinite punch trough and wide beam of quellor Alternate, but ppl just making war wich one is better instead enjoying both xD
@@Havoc1222 Imo infinite punch through is miles away from just aoe and people are comparing those weapons because... i guess its the vibe od this video. Maybe you didnt want it to be like that but it kinda is
The issue I have with Quellor is the lack of synergy between modes. If you could mod the weapon to use primary and alt optimally at the same time it'd be way higher up my list.
Considering I mostly play weap platforms if I use Stahlta I still did it justice by putting lots of dmg on it, coz usually I just have primed firestorm on it, rifle elementalist and blast with Saryn, so most of dmg coming from the dot, and Mirage is Mirage, she just kills with anything, other frames I never consider Stahlta, while Quellor is a diff story ^^
The moug Vs havoc arc starts now
I just wanted to cover a strong slept-on weapon that I use and think is one of best weapons, since people askd me about Stahlta while they have Stahlta video from Moug who spams it 24/7 :D No reason to have VS for this, altho Quellor better 100% ;]
@@LA_MALA_ORDINA i kinda shure moug had a video about quellor. And Moug doesn't think sthalta is best dps weapon, not even most confortable weapon. He treat it as a perfect (best and perfect are different words) weapon for wisp (cuz she synergizes with it really well) and wich gives him estatical (in visual and sound) satisfaction.
E.g. in his weapon tierlist he told that if "best" weappn would be weapon with most damage - burston and toxocists would be undoubted top 1, and when he did put sthalta at 1st place he told sometging like "nobody except me woult put sthalta as a best weapon in this game".
So he's sthalta's fan, but not a sthalta's crazy stan.
No you didn't just say that..lmfao😂😂😂😂
“Oh this gun looks dope” *looks up how to farm it. “Oh this gun is shit”
BRO I DONT KNOW HOW I GOT IT BUT YEA.
Probably best reason why ppl dont talk about it haha
*looks it up on warframe market* "oh it's dirt cheap so it's fine"
@@happyspacefun3796 THATS HOW I FUCKING GOT IT XD
Bruh you're acting like Railjack is some kind of hardcore grind -_-
I am not sure why there are so many people that are referencing me in the video's comments.. especially since I do like quellor myself. I just like stahlta more because its way more versatile and especially since both firing modes are multiCO on it while on the Quellor only the secondary fire is multiplicative.
This is a really good showcase of Quellor's capabilities in this video. The only reason its not more popular is its farming method. (Its not hard people just dont like railjack xd)
I mean idk why myself, me vs you, while I do love both weapons myself, since I just enjoy the alt fires alot.
People coz of you wanted me to make the vid, but why tf would I make Stahlta vid when "Stahlta guy" alrd made vid for it, had 0 sense for me :D
@@Havoc1222 personally i love the stahlta because of its AOE (introduced to it by watching mougs vids) but its nice to see how there is a gun with similar feels for big number enjoyers, (dang i need to farm this)
Because somebody one month ago did a hate video against you
@@kronen489if you like big DMG numbers, I highly recommend Kuva Chakkhurr. It's among one of my favorites and I have a Riven for it that's like +60% slash, +60% heat, +102% multi shot, -20% ammo capacity. The ammo ain't bad because I've already got Vigilante ammo mod on it and it only subtracts like 2 rounds from the total ammo count. It deals increased damage on headshots with a guaranteed impact proc on direct hits, pairs great with Internal Bleeding and Semi Rifle Cannonade since it's a sluggish firing rifle anyway, giving your impact procs also a 75% chance to proc Slash. I've seen Slash DoT's for the damn thing hit the hundred thousands without even doing a mag dump 😂
I was trying to show Chakkhurr power of bleeding but shit dies instantly before I can see a proc ;-;
Moug react video inbound lol. Glad someone else has love for the Quellor it's an awesome weapon
Can we just take a moment just to appreciate that we're talking about two "non-meta", non-incarnon/kuva/tenet weapons? That alone is a good vibe.
I believe this gun will be my last “pretty normal rifle with a crazy BOMB alt fire” to collect, and I’m very excited for it. Didn’t really plan on it being last, but after seeing a few more videos, it seems that this rifle might top the shhhtahlta and Battacor(my favorite at the moment).
I built my Quellor for Corrosive/Cold and alot of Crit and made use of the Primary Frostbite Arcane. It absolutly destroys single targets and corridors
I love the Quellor, probably my favorite primary gun, and i got a pretty good riven for it 189.7% dmg, 155.5% CC, 117.6% CD and x0.61 dmg to infested
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaym, Im so jelous of that one
The roll is good, no need to list numbers when referencing rivens unless you have s grades, stats for a given weapons riven will be in a set range depending on if it has a negative or is a 2 stat so people will be able to gauge the numbers 😃
@@Pope_Protein oh
Very insightful man, thank you
I think it might have been a wrong Stahlta build because I am doing millions with just the primary fire as well, and without any buffs or priming whatsoever
What else would you put there lol
Aptitude serration deadhead primed cryo crit delay vital sense riven with tox cc CD, and hammer shot, millions of dps, alt fire huge area doing a few millio, then considering it's full auto normal and each round is doing 100k to 300k, I love both also.
Literally my favorite gun
Finally an excuse to rebuild my quellor. Also this is a gun that gas the possibility to not fit all max ranks mods. at least in my build I cant fitt all prime mods+ exilus+riven together at max rank
This is exactly why I have 60/60 mods... While flat out dmg is better by a high margin
Quellor's reload kills it, does hit like a truck tho.
This is the comfiest gun in the game imo. I usually run Tactical Reload over Terminal Velocity because pocket reloading is a really nice QoL upgrade considering how long the reload is, but Terminal Velocity is way better to run for KPM
You can try Synth set on top of that, or Synth+Terminal. works wonders ;d
This may be the strongest weapon in the game, however it is nowhere near the best weapon in the game, namely Torid.
It kills 20 lvl 215 ExoGoks basically instantly (~1s) with a blast + corrosive build. (Revenant with Roar + 2 green shards, Torid with riven and a crit damage + Fire rate Panzer)
@@zhongxina2614 angstrum better imo
Yea, 1 guy wants big numbers, the other wants fast kills
Killing enemies as you mentioned is nothing for someone who wants to see bilions :D
Idk how to even title stuff, defo not BEST coz I always say BEST weapon is your favorite weapon in warframe. Strongest might have hit the mark idk
I've a zaw that can clear a 40m radius of basically anything with Voruna, no riven needed. It's kind of funny to see how I extract with 97% damage dealt even in a 1hr SP Circulus and many times over the kills of my teammates combined 😆😢
@@Havoc1222 you're absolutely correct. Play what's effective and fun for you. Big numbers make happy chemicals go brrr
@mr.meanwhile can you send ur zaw setup?? I have a zaw Heavy attack build (dokhrahm) with riven and wondering how to get it as op as urs
This is the hell yeah moment
Why would you use hunter munitions instead of Internal Bleeding when the alt fire forces impact procs?
Coz broski I do not have internal bleeding XD
@@Havoc1222 My man hop into the Railjack and get it.
It's not hard to get.
@@walkelftexasranger would buy it if I wanted it
Quellor is so good. I love this weapon.
What did you choose for violet shards on Mirage, as well as a build for her + grimoire? If you mind telling
I enjoy both weapons, tbh.
Hello, I have a few questions: 1st Do you use normal serration because you dont usually change Bane mods? I personally always change bane mods and I was wondereing to replace serration with banes.
2nd Have you considered using internal bleeding? Quellor has a garanteed impact proc and it a was popular mod when I build mine. Nowadays I Dont remember why
It kills instantly, what IM gonna do with slash proc from it :D
And I don't even have bane mods coz I simply refuse to use them, no need
bit confused how you had base 8.4 fire rate on the quellor with no fire rate mods on? i probs missed something in the vid
reinforced bond on companion
I was looking for a mirage build on your channel and didn't see it. Trying to see how you got almost 900% eclipse O.o
Coming up tomorrow ^^
I could easly get 1k+ if I swapped 1 thing out but Iil point it in vid
and tbf getting over 1k is quite easy XD
@@Havoc1222 mine runs just under 600%, but I have adaptation+rolling Guard+fast deflection+arcane Aegis and 2 casting shards instead of 5x red. I like using her 4 and that's a requirement for it
@@besabaftw OH yea if u like her 4 its a slow ass cast, I did put part how to get easly 1.5k during mission, any mission xd
Are you sure galvanized aptitude is multiplicative with serration? Because every other youtuber says its not and that if youre using it with at least 3 status effects serration is just not worth it, especially with an arcane.
It is, on Quellors alternate fire. Most weapon dont multiplicate with it, but there are few exceptions, if not primary fire its the alternate, check wiki for every weapon :P
@@Havoc1222 thats wild 💀
Ffs, i just finished my Stahlta build 2 hours ago. Back on the grind i guess
I've got both built and enjoying both :D
Alrighty my guy you Moug, and Morning are my favorite Warframe guys! But what I will say you and Moug talk about the strongest stuff but will buff the living hell out of the weapons. I mean if I add all these arcanes/Warframe synergies ofc the weapon(s) will be good. I’m not bashing or anything ijs, I tried the quellor and it was ass but I’ll just go and add the req and then see
Quellor buffs are the debuffs on target, due to multi galv, so w/o the debuffs u can buff it alot but won't be that impressive ;p
nice video, mirage build?
Mirage soon
W I love this gun I wish it's alt would be bigger or traded fora incar tho
Your revenant looks alot like mine
Very fun on Harrow i find
you missed the point, you use staltha to clear full rooms with the aoe in day to day gameplay. Quellor actually needs you aim, staltha doesn't, the AOE is way too big!
@@daruthebeast i think they are not even comparable because the Quellor isn‘t an AoE Weapon.
Any other gun weapons that can hit billions? I like these
Watch my Mirage vid, small sneak peak to few, but many weapons with mirage can dmg cap
@@Havoc1222 okay, thanks
The guy you prob watched has the same bias for the Staltha as you have for the "Mecha Dog". Lol. Is it really the best? Can we see? And/or does it bring more to the table than things better at spreading? Does spreading make sense even, when we now have pets that kills before we can even shoot?
Can you play game in bilion different ways? Yes
Will this work on lvl cap cascade
i wish you showcased more raw power of weapons without any buffs to make it more realistic, it takes way too many steps to achieve this kinda damage very specific too.
Did use single buff, power comes from primer anyway
I like both weapons a lot, but baaaad builds on Stahlta for the comparison 😂😂
I tried to do same builds, as close as possible, altho ofc its not really possible, since Stahlta will gain big from aptitude only on the direct hits, main factor for me is just how much shots you do on alternate fire and the charge rate
@@Havoc1222 well, the problem with same builds, is someone could take a Stahlta build, copy it onto a Quellor, and go “look the Stahlta performs better even when same build is on both weps”.
The problem, is that both weps have different stats, benefit from not all the same mods like you said, and use different builds. Some mods are similar ofc, but very few weapons use the EXACT same mods, especially when the weapons have different stats.
I use both weapons. I have a similar build on my Quellor, but I would not use that same build on my Stahtla. Likewise, I have builds for my Stahtla, that I would not use on my Quellor.
Since you’re just talking about the Alt mainly it seems, are you only doing an AoE comparison? Or is it only an Alt Fire comparison? Because the Quellor is benefitting big from Direct hits on Headshots from the Primary Deadhead as well.
The weapons perform differently due to different stats, and even the Alt fires both perform and function quite differently to each other, and have different use cases as well.
Yeah, one time i got Quellor in the circuit and was like damn this gun is pretty good, after that i wanted to build it and try it out, i got the missing parts from warframe market but completly forgot about it 😂 thanks for reminding me im gonna try it now for sure, maybe with Koumei, but i dont want to watch the video for ready build sorry, gonna try to tinker around myself
What about primary plated rounda?
I prefer the headshot modifier from deadhead, but if you do some magazine capacity why not, with a riven for it esp. I tried to get one actually for variations, but so far no luck, just got the one on vid
Primary Merciless is probably better to consider for reload speed
How good is this with Chroma?
@@SG-qi5jg I’m sure it’ll do pretty well with Chroma, once you rack up the vex armor to max.
Oh boy, Moug is gonna throw a fit again.
Here's what I've found in my testing: Stahlta performs well, mimicking his showcase videos, ONLY when used on Wisp (to fix the fire rate), with Xata or Eclipse, and built for raw damage, with a riven to fill in other stat gaps.
It's a weapon that needs a LOT of help to perform BUT, if you give it the help, it does actually perform.
Personally, I hate the damn thing. Low ammo, long reload, feels weird. No thank you. I'll stick to the real best weapon in the game, the Quanta Vandal.
For every weapon you only need decent primer, and the way Quellor works oh boy, alternate fire will shred w/o help
@@Havoc1222 I can hardly criticize Moug too much for being a Stahlta propagandist, because I'm a hardcore Quanta propagandist.
I'm giving Quellor a try as soon as I can though, so mission accomplished. I just never play Railjack so it hasn't ended up in my collection.
@@Glamador no clue myself how tf I had all for it but I take it xD
Stahlta still better but quellor is pretty good still
Showing Quellor as interesting weapon - good. Comparing to stahlta.... Its like comparing tonkor to nataruk, two completely different things - Quellor is supposed to do more damage because its not aoe
Thing is I wanted to show slept on weapon and I just used Stahlta in vid coz ppl kept asking for Stahlta for some reason, while I just showd something else :D Main idea of the video is power of Quellor not comparing it
And honestly both are kinda AoE, infinite punch trough and wide beam of quellor Alternate, but ppl just making war wich one is better instead enjoying both xD
@@Havoc1222 Imo infinite punch through is miles away from just aoe and people are comparing those weapons because... i guess its the vibe od this video. Maybe you didnt want it to be like that but it kinda is
The issue I have with Quellor is the lack of synergy between modes. If you could mod the weapon to use primary and alt optimally at the same time it'd be way higher up my list.
@@tomj819 This is literally describing Stahlta brother... Not the Quellor...
Nice. Had the Quellor sittung in my foundry for weeks , since i wasnt sure if it's worth they slots 😂
SZTALTAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Moug is just trolling his viewers telling them the stahlta is good.
watch out bro, hide your child, you poke a crybaby
I mean he was right tho, the dude was yapping on stream while his baby kept crying, and he apologized so it's not that bad
@@교수Moji yah it’s over for bro. One hour video incoming☝️
Rent free in your head buddy.
Whos gonna cry?
nothing different than what youre doing bro
wrong staltha build , the weapon is insane , but totally other use than quellor
Considering I mostly play weap platforms if I use Stahlta I still did it justice by putting lots of dmg on it, coz usually I just have primed firestorm on it, rifle elementalist and blast with Saryn, so most of dmg coming from the dot, and Mirage is Mirage, she just kills with anything, other frames I never consider Stahlta, while Quellor is a diff story ^^
Next video from havoc: why x is much better than wisp
it looks cooler and that all that matters lol
Ogris is better than mighty seer
Shtalta