The worst part is that people are so hell bent on making lord Ram a non vegetarian that they'll gladly accept the mistranslated texts ... Kalyug indeed
Read the texts properly, when you misunderstand it (which you clearly have), read it again and again, if you still do not get it, close the book as it is regrettably not for you. Pick up something else or perhaps watch Netflix, go shopping, eat out, etc. The worst part actually is people who misunderstand the texts and claim to have actually understood it. It’s a pity and then they complain about Kalyug, etc. Don’t worry you are an exception and have risen beyond. Stay blessed and focus on more important things in life and the book you are claiming to have read. Do not get obsessed with meat eating and make it your sole objective of your remaining life.
@@Narendra00000 the fact that you came on RUclips, watched this clip, scrolled and found my specific comment proves that you are very much interested in reading and learning from me. All the best. If you respond to this comment, it will also further strengthen my belief.
@@bhushanmalik I'm really sorry instead of responding to another comment about this comment. I responded to you. I don't how this happened. I'm sorry🙏🏻
@Balharbor28 “So what if he ate meat [...] not what goes in.” ================== I see the point that you are trying to make. But you should tell this to fraudulent apologysts like this Sudarsan Chakravarthy.
See eating meat is basic, I always believe it is. For instance rama ran after the 'swarnmirga' without hesitation he was ready to kill it without the feeling of eating it, just to have it for her wife, and yet everyone believed he never killed any animal during 14 years of 'vanwasa'...(For me wasting the animal or killing an animal and not utilising it's part properly is disrespectful...)
Lord Rama used to eat meat even many great kshariyas and brahmin sages used to eat meat Aranya Kanda, Canto 14, Verse 12 and 13 of the Ramayana: विधाय चान्नं विविधं मांसानि च सुसंस्कृतम् | तेषामग्रे महात्मानाम् सम्प्रदान्य ह राघवम् || And this is the integral part of our Culture and it should be embraced
Dhanyavaadaha Guruji for the lucid explanation that helped in clearing several misconceptions. I thank the person who asked this question, due to whose act we are now blessed with this clarity. It only goes to reinforce the importance of having diligence and faith while trying to understand the message propounded by our shastras. Shortcuts like relying on simplified translations may actually damage our understanding. Mahatmas like you do a great service by correcting our ignorance and pointing us in the right path. May Krishna shower His Blessings and Grace on you to spread His message far and wide for years to come.
@Madhusoodhanans "Dhanyavaadaha Guruji for the lucid explanation that [...] message far and wide for years to come." ============================= LOL. This apologist Sudarsan Chakravarthy (of the Thenkalai sect) should discuss things with his fellow-Tam-Brahm (Tamil Brahmin) Sri Vaishnava Iyengar scholar, Mr. Dushyanth Sridhar (of the Vadakalai sect). *At least Mr. Dushyanth Sridhar is much more HONEST about this topic, UNLIKE this charlatan Sudarsan Chakravarthy.*
Here are some of the verses from the Vālmiki Rāmāyaṇa. The translations are from Vālmiki Rāmāyaṇa of Desiraju Hanumanta Rao & K. M. K. Murthy. You can also check out alternative translation at Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidyapeetha’s Vālmiki Rāmāyaṇa Translation project, which is based on six different commentaries. Verses implying that Rama ate meat: Ayodhya Kanda 2-52-102 तौ तत्र हत्वा चतुरः महा मृगान् | वराहम् ऋश्यम् पृषतम् महा रुरुम् | आदाय मेध्यम् त्वरितम् बुभुक्षितौ| वासाय काले ययतुर् वनः पतिम् || २-५२-१०२ Having hunted there four deer, namely Varaaha, Rishya, Prisata; and Mahaaruru (the four principal species of deer) and taking quickly the portions that were pure, being hungry as they were, Rama and Lakshmana reached a tree to take rest in the evening. Alternative translation: Being famished, Rama, Lakshmana hunted and killed a boar, a Rishya animal (a white footed male antelope), a spotted deer and a great deer with black stripes and quickly partaking the pure meat reached a tree by the evening to spend the night. Ayodhya Kanda 2-55-32/33 क्रोशमात्रम् ततो गत्वा भ्रातरौ रामलक्ष्मनौ || २-५५-३३ बहून्मेध्यान् मृगान् हत्वा चेरतुर्यमुनावने | Thereafter having travelled only a couple of miles the two brothers Rama and Lakshmana killed many consecrated deer and ate in the river-forest of Yamuna. Alternative translation: After travelling a distance of two miles further in the forest on the bank of Yamuna, those two brothers slew deers worthy for sacrifice for food and ate them. Ayodhya Kanda 2-96-1/2 तां तथा दर्शयित्वा तु मैथिलीं गिरिनिम्नगाम् | निषसाद गिरिप्रस्थे सीतां मांसेन चन्दयन् || २-९६-१ इदं मेध्यमिदं स्वादु निष्टप्तमिदमग्निना | एवमास्ते स धर्मात्मा सीतया सह राघवः || २-९६-२ Having shown Mandakini River in that manner to Seetha, the daughter of Mithila, Rama set on the hill-side in order to gratify her appetite with a piece of flesh. Rama, whose mind was devoted to righteousness stayed there with Seetha, saying; “This meat is fresh, this is savoury and roasted in the fire.” Alternative translation: Having shown to Sita the mountain-river Mandakini and gratifying her with meat, Rama sat on the mountain slope. Righteous Rama was seated in Sita’s company and remarked saying “This meat is sacred. This is savoury roasted in fire”. Aranya Kanda 3-44-27 निहत्य पृषतम् च अन्यम् मांसम् आदाय राघवः | त्वरमाणो जनस्थानम् ससार अभिमुखः तदा || ३-४४-२७ Raghava then on killing another spotted deer and on taking its flesh, he hurried himself towards Janasthaana. Alternative translation: Then Rama killed another deer, got the meat and quickly departed to Janasthana. Aranya Kanda 3-47-23 समाश्वस मुहूर्तम् तु शक्यम् वस्तुम् इह त्वया || ३-४७-२२ आगमिष्यति मे भर्ता वन्यम् आदाय पुष्कलम् | रुरून् गोधान् वराहान् च हत्वा आदाय अमिषान् बहु || ३-४७-२३ [Sita to Ravana] “Be comfortable for a moment, here it is possible for you to make a sojourn, and soon my husband will be coming on taking plentiful forest produce, and on killing stags, mongooses, wild boars he fetches meat, aplenty. Alternative translation: “Take rest for a while staying here. It is hoped that my husband will come and be getting from the forest plenty of meat of many kinds on killing deer, alligators and hogs.” Aranya Kanda 3-73-13/17 न उद्विजन्ते नरान् दृष्ट्वा वधस्य अकोविदाः शुभाः || ३-७३-१३ घृत पिण्ड उपमान् स्थूलान् तान् द्विजान् भक्षयिष्यथः | रोहितान् वक्र तुण्डान् च नल मीनान् च राघव || ३-७३-१४ पंपायाम् इषुभिः मत्स्यान् तत्र राम वरान् हतान् | निस्त्वक्पक्षानयसतप्तानकृशान्नैककण्टकान् - यद्वा - निः त्वक् पक्षान् अयस तप्तान् अकृशान् न अनेक कण्टकान् || ३-७३-१५ तव भक्त्या समायुक्तो लक्ष्मणः संप्रदास्यति | भृशम् तान् खादतो मत्स्यान् पंपायाः पुष्प संचये || ३-७३-१६ पद्म गन्धि शिवम् वारि सुख शीतम् अनामयम् | उद्धृत्य स तदा अक्लिष्टम् रूप्य स्फटिक सन्निभम् || ३-७३-१७ अथ पुष्कर पर्णेन लक्ष्मणः पाययिष्यति | [Kabandha to Rama] “Thereabout birds will be unflustered on seeing humans, because they are artless to avoid hunting, because none kills them, and you may savour them because those birds will be best and burley, similar to ghee-gobs. “Oh, Rama in that Pampa Lake there are best fishes, red-carps, and blunt-snouted small porpoises, and a sort of sprats, which are neither scraggy, nor with many fish-bones. Lakshmana will reverentially offer them to you on skewering them with arrow, and on broiling them on iron rod of arrow after descaling and de-finning them. While you eat those fishes to satiety, Lakshmana will offer you the water of Pampa Lake, which will be in the bunches of flowers of that lake, and which will be lotus-scented, pellucid, comfortably cool, shiny like silver and crystal, uncontaminated and that way pristine, by lifting it up that water with lotus leaf, making that leaf a stoup-like basin… [3-73-16b, 17, 18a] Alternative translation: “Not knowing what it is to be killed on those auspicious birds will not be scared of human beings. You both can kill those birds and eat those fat birds that are comparable to balls of butter-fat. Rama! There in the Pampa Lakshmana, by charging an arrow at the best of fish with a single bone, prawns and big fish crooked bodied fish, removing their skin and wings, piercing through skewers made of iron, cook and offer them with devotion. While you are delightedly eating fish Lakshmana can fetch you water in a lotus leaf from the Pampa tank. The waters of Pampa has a scent of lotuses being full of lotus, It is enjoyable, cool, healthy and crystal clearlike silver.”
Yeah, write the actual translations, and pull the 'alternative translations ' out of your ass. What interpretation of the Ramayana (except those of your own) approve of your alternative translations? Cite one credible source, one manuscript or commentary that aligns with your interpretations.
@hdmss8621 "Thank sir for auch insightful message [...] understand the ramayan. Thank you very much guruji" ================== LOL. This apologist TamBrahm (Tamil Brahmin) Thenkalai Iyengar Sudarsan Chakravarthy should discuss this topic with his fellow-TamBrahm (Tamil Brahmin) scholar of Sri Vaishnavism, Mr. Dushyanth Sridhar (of the Vadakalai Iyengar sect). *Mr. Dushyanth Sridhar is much more HONEST* about this topic, *UNLIKE this CHARLATAN Sudarsan Chakravarthy.*
@@ex.hindu.now.atheist Rama didn't ate meat in the original ramayana. This is true and 💯 true. If you accept or not the truth will not depend on you. A true seeker wants to know the truth. Everyone has their own significance. Don't underestimate by comparing with others. Sudarsan chakravarthy sir has his own talent and dushyant sridhar sir has his own talent. If you are underestimating anyone first think about what you did at least participated in to spread the truth. It's my wish to give a comment to a guru who shares knowledge. And I am not underestimating dushyant sridhar sir. He is also a gem for sanatan dharma. He has his own significance and I respect him.
The rant of people here is exactly why the study of scriptures was restricted without an understanding of grammar, phonology, context, etc. First go and ask a Sanskrit scholar about the multiple meanings of the majority of the words in Sanskrit and then argue to showcase your knowledge. Fighting strangers on the internet to prove your ignorance and impatience is a sign of not being prepared for a discussion on scriptures. May God give you discretion and illumination. 🙏 Meat eating was only encouraged in dire times like illness, non availability of plants and under strict community rituals where the one conducting the ritual had such great grasp over the laws of transmigration that he would ensure the higher birth of the slaughtered animal and even those rituals are for the clients who were obsessed and habituated to meat, not for those who didn't consume it already. Eating meat in the limit was also prescribed for those who were like rakshasas and would lose their minds and appetite if abruptly enforced to eat all meat as they were gradually weaned off it. Do not ignore the warnings about unnecessary violence...meat wasn't meant for enjoyment but only survival. So avoid taking the exceptions as rules to justify your lust for flesh that comes from enslaved and tortured animals. Remember that one of the places where Parikshit allowed Kaliyuga to stay was wherever there is slaughter of animals.
I, also recommend all of you to read Shrauthayagna Kalpavalli by Sri Aatmakooru Aanandateertha Sharma to understand there is no Yaagnika Pashu himsaa at all in Vaidika Yagna and Samskruti.
The funny thing is the translates are also brahmins so we can not blame them. Uttarakanda gives several instances of. meat eating and drinking myreya somarasa. So no body can contradict the original slokas
Experts have not been able to determine whether a hippo eats meat or not; wonder why all are speculating and arguing about the Lord eating meat or not in a completely different yug. Only lessons from the sacred Ramayana matter, rest is interpretation and speculation.
Ayodhya Kanda, Sarga 20, Verse 26 प्रदीर्य तु पवित्राणि फलमूलानि चैव ह गृह्य नानाविधं मांसं व्याघ्र स्य महिषस्य च Then, having taken various kinds of clean fruits and roots, he offered different kinds of meat, including that of a deer and a buffalo. ------------------------ Aranya Kanda, Sarga 36, Verse 41 दशमास्यानि धान्यानि फलानि च सहस्रशः। लाक्षा संभग्नमूलानि क्रमशः सत्रमास्तु च। मांस्यानि च सुवर्णानि मधून्युपधार्य च॥ For ten months, grains and thousands of fruits and roots of various kinds, prepared as sacrificial offerings, and meat and honey of excellent quality were brought and stored.
Hare Krishna Prabhu 🙏 Nice explanation and indeed the correct one too. Only vaishnavas and devotees can understand the Supreme Lord as it's said in Shrimad Bhaagavatam 9.4.68, only devotees can know and understand the Lord Vishnu. Thank you 👍😊
You are ignorant. In Mahabharat & Ramayan time, everyone was a meat eater. There was no concept of vegetarianism. All the holy rituals required meat compulsorily. Vegetarianism is jainism, not Hinduism. In Sanatan, meat is compulsory. Vegetarianism is a maha paap.
@@trira1171 yeah after seeing the video above still you are talking like this with no basis of from where you can quote and simply mental concoction, that itself shows your ignorance. Thank you.
@@JugramHaschwalth_B "they just love meat and etc non veg item so to [...] they are just using shree ram as an excuse" =========================== LOL. This apologist Sudarsan Chakravarthy (of the Thenkalai Iyengar sect) should discuss things with his fellow-Tam-Brahm (Tamil Brahmin) Sri Vaishnava Iyengar scholar, Mr. Dushyanth Sridhar (of the Vadakalai Iyengar sect). *At least Mr. Dushyanth Sridhar is much more HONEST about this topic, UNLIKE this charlatan Sudarsan Chakravarthy.*
@@ex.hindu.now.atheist bla bla bla keep crying i am not even interested in your words, give 10 to 100 paragraphs whatever you want to explain your name itself explains it all an atheist lol keep crying kiddo dont even talk to me. Even talking with you will make me a part of sin 😂 you have a special reservation in hell be happy, gain as much happiness you can because after dearh only crying is option left for you 😂
The verse you mentioned, 3.47.22, is one such verse. Here is the translation of that verse: "Rest here awhile. My husband will return with plenty of meat of many kinds from the forest, killing deer, alligators, and wild boars." It's important to note that while this verse does mention the consumption of meat, it is a dialogue spoken by Sita in a specific context, and it does not imply that Lord Rama regularly consumed meat. In the larger narrative of the Ramayana, Lord Rama is consistently portrayed as a righteous and compassionate individual who follows a vegetarian lifestyle.
Lord Rama and seetha never ate meat please don't degrade like this you are hurting one's feelings he is purely satvik he loves every creature in this universe Jai Shri Ram 🕉️🚩💞
Even when you ignore the translations, the shlokas in Sanskrit clearly mention meat eating. Meat means meat, it doesn't mean anything else. Learn to accept the truth and stop misguiding people with imginery theory.
Verse:1 तां तथा दर्शयित्वा तु मैथिलीं गिरिनिम्नगाम् | निषसाद गिरिप्रस्थे सीतां मांसेन चन्दयन् || २-९६-१ Verse:2 न मांसं राघवो भुङ्क्ते न चापि मधुसेवते | वन्यं सुविहितं नित्यं भक्तमश्नाति पञ्चमम् || ५-३६-४१ Now here, most of the scholars have translated the term '’māṃsaṃ' as meat. But as per Sanskrit dictionary, māṃsaṃ also means a pulp of a fruit. Moreover, Lord Rama himself had promised his mother’ Kaikeyi' that he would only consume fruits and tubers in forest. Ayodhya Kand, Valmiki Ramayana Hence, the Translation of māṃsaṃ as meat is itself very much contradictory and illogical. We can conclude that Lord Rama consuming meat is nothing more than a sort of translation error. Having shown Mandakini River in that manner to Seetha, the daughter of Mithila, Rama sat on the hill-side in order to gratify her appetite with a piece of flesh. Valmiki Ramayana, 2-96-1 Rama, whose mind was devoted to righteousness stayed there with Seetha, saying; “This meat is fresh, this is savoury and roasted in the fire.” Valmiki Ramayana, 2-96-2 The sanskrit word used here is “maamsena,” ok, it can be argued that the word maamsa means flesh but it also means pulp of the fruit. But, it can be again argued that Rama roasted it in fire and we don't roast fruits. People can also say that “māmsa” here means roots and roots can be roasted. Let's see some verses where Rama and Sita spoke about fruits and roots. “Bathing three times a day in the river and living on honey, roots and fruits in your company, I do not desire for the kingdom nor do I long for Ayodhya now.” Valmiki Ramayana, 2-95-17 “Leaves, tubers and fruits either a little or abundant in quantity brought and given by you yourself will be like nectar to me.” Valmiki Ramayana, 2-30-15 I shall live only on roots and fruits always, no doubt. Living along with you, I shall not create any unpleasantness to you. Valmiki Ramayana, 2-27-15 On saying thus to Lakshmana, Raghava, the enhancer of magnificence comfortable resided in that province which is with many a fruit. Valmiki Ramayana, 3-15-30.
@@bhushanmalik shoe is an english word.😂 hindu texts are sanskrit. Sanskrit dictionary has 102.78 billion words while english only has 171,000(approx)💀 Use common sense dumbhead Also maamsa in sanskrit means pulp of fruit. There are several verses which states ram didnt consume meat in his exile.
ఒక్కొక్కడు ఒకటి చెబుతాడు, మాంసాహారం తిన్నారని తినలేదని. సుప్రసిద్ధ సంస్కృత పండితులు తిన్నారని చెప్పారు. ఎక్కువ భాగం పోడునామాలు పెట్టిన వారు తినలేదని అడ్డం భోట్లు పెట్టిన వారు తిన్నారని. చివరికి ఆ శ్రీ రామచంద్రుని కే ఎరుక
Suraghta sahasren masbhutodanen f | Yakshye tvam prayata devi purim punurpagata || 2-52-89 89. devii = "Oh; goddess! Upaagata = After reaching; puriim = the city (Ayodhya); punaH = again; yakshhye = I shall worship (you); suraaghata sahasreNa = with thousand pots of spirituous liquor (Means Specially Prepared Juice Juice); maamsa MAAMSA means FLESH OF FRUITS & VEGETABLES Not MEAT bhuutodanena cha = and jellied Flesh of Vegetables & Fruits with cooked rice; prayataa = well-prepared for the solemn rite." Many times Maamsa in wrongly interpreted meat but it is actually FLESH OF VEGETABLES & FRUITS
It is very evident from Valmiki's Ramayana verses that he did eat meat. There's no room for misinterpretation about it being a fruit pulp. He was a Kshatriya so why do Vaishnavas get defensive? Meat eating has always been a part of Hindu culture, including in the Vedic religion, it's just the natural course human history and meat eating/not eating does not make anyone more or less virtuous. Jai Shree Ram!
Why do you want Sri Rama to eat meat? What makes you think you can understand and interpret Ramayana more than someone who has much deeper knowledge of shastras and Sanskrit? Most translations of Ramayana in English are hugely misinterpreted and twisted. They have done it not only to Ramayana but every sacred text of ours. And just like not every brahmin is vegetarian, not every Kshatriya has to be meat eater and hunt animals.
@@param_jnana Incorrect. In numerous verses, Ram and Lakshmana are depicted killing and eating the meat of animals. In Ayodhya Khanda Sarga 56, verse 22-28 (2:56:22-28), Ram asks Lakshmana to bring him the meat of an antelope for a sacrificial ceremony. Lakshmana agrees, kills the antelope, and then Ram asks him to boil and cook it thoroughly until no blood remains. In Ayodhya Khanda, Sarga 52, verse 102 (2:52:102), Ram and Lakshmana upon arriving at the land of Vatsa hunt and kill 4 deer (one from each of the principle species of deer at the time, Varaaha, Rishya, Prisata, and Mahaaruru), and ate them. These are valid references in any translation of the Valmiki Ramayan, and there are literally hundreds more.
@@KishoreG2396 firstly the Sanskrit words have so many meanings. One have to put a lot of effort to understand the meaning of the Sanskrit. The translations which have made are not correct. A Sanskrit word have many meanings they have took only one meaning and misinterpreted the Rama's divine character. Jai Siya Ram🙏
@@సత్యమేవ_జయతే The level of mental gymnastics you have to do to claim this is ludicrous. No, there are not alternate translations for the Sanskrit text. The words used are common and documented. Not only this, but the Sanskrit text describes in detail how the animal was slaughtered, how it was cooked (until no blood remains), and how it was portioned for the Yagna. This is one of thousands of verses, all of which are consistent. If you think 2:56:22-28 has an “alternative meaning” other than what it clearly describes I challenge you to explain the alternate meaning and provide evidence for it. You only claim the problematic verses with meat in it are “translated wrong” because theh go against your narrative while you fully accept the rest of the Valmiki Ramayan. You can’t pick and choose, this is dishonest. Do you think Lord Ram ate paneer butter masala and chole bhatura in the jungle?
@CoffeeTimeKannadaVlogs "Very well explained. My great grand mother [...] video took me back to those days. Jai Sri Ram" ================================ It looks like your (presumably Hindu religious) great grandmother was making misleading statements... just like my Hindu religious grandmother.
🙏lord rama is father and mother to all leaving beings, as swani said how can we humiliate our beloved father,kindly do not misinterpret It will be a serious 'abacharam'.
@MrDvramanar “why discussion about […] Why you worry so much.” ==================== I agree with the point that I think that you are making. The discussion happens because meat-eating is against the political agenda of holier-than-thou saffron sanghtards. They do not have the honesty to admit that their gods and their heroes eat and/or ate meat.
Sanskrit is doubtful source, in Sanskrit one has to choose out of more than 100 languages( Sanskrit 1, Sanskrit 2,--------- Sanskrit 100) which is reliable. Sanskrit is not one language , it has more than 100 scripts(lipis example brāhmī kharoṣṭī puṣkarasāriṃ aṅga-lipiṃ vaṅga-lipiṃ magadha-lipiṃ) and each script has different set of words. Because of this Ravana was hero in one region, Sri Ram in other regions (in Tamil Nadu, Rajasthan and in some areas of North india still you will find temples of ravana ) People still fight about the superiority of gods shivji, vishnuji,Brahma ji and king of god's Indra. In the past they fought wars on this issue. Recently in 19 century scripts of Sanskrit was standardised as devangiri. Brahmi sanskriti vanished, so original books and concept vanished. You will not find word hindu and temple in any ancient book. In Greek and Baltic mythology you find Stories similar to ramayana and mahabharat. That is the reason Arya samaj says Geeta, ramayana is half true half wrong. Brahma samaj completely rejected Vedas. 50 % of Sanskrit words are from other regions like Syria,Greek and Baltic region. So I ask you one question, Sanskrit means language or Sanskrit is name of language. Andh bakht is like a fool, who after the death of of wife(brahmi script) catches a passing women(devangiri). In Hindu books one group abuses the other group,it means the books are manipulated actual things are changed and purposely opponent is shown as vulgar and wrong. In bhagwat Geeta shivji is shown as very vulgar and dirty. In linga purana Krishna is insulted. So it is the culture in Hindus to manipulate real things by creating dummy stories. Now a days some publication sponsored by RSS and iskcon are manipulating books to show everything is perfect and good in their books. Reality can't be hidden many scholars and libraries have original books. If any proof is given they say Britishers and Mughals are responsible, It is the official Brahmins who did all this nonsense to plz kings and noble to get money and gifts Then what hindu scholars were doing sleeping like lazy donkeys.
Leaving all conflicts apart, if you come to Kalighat, you will get Goat meat as mool prasad and Fish in Tarapith.. So be wise enough to accept the vastness along with diversity..
@@shreyasnadagouda4619 But he actually ate meat. It is mentioned in valmiki ramayana in almost 7 translations all cant be biased. All ancient indians consumed meat it is a well known fact.
@@shreyasnadagouda4619 "Wokes trying to prove [...] only way satisfaction for you guys till jan 22" ================================== Yes.... on 04 Jun 2024, we all saw the outcome of how the right-minded people of Faizabad (which includes Ayodhya) reacted to the events of 22 Jan 2024. 🤣🤣
So, you interpreted the verses correctly, and others did not. That is so funny. If Shri Rama never ate, then why even mention the word "meat" in any of the verses. Please stop making false claims.
What is even the big deal if Shri Rama ate meat? You're telling me someone lived in vana-vaasa and survived only on roots, shoots, and leaves for 14 years. Get a life!
@@abhay86647 Stop this. Bhagwan Sri Rama was a warrior and warrior ate meat, sacrificed animals and distributed the animal flesh as Prasad. Hindu mind and culture has been influenced so much by Jaina and Buddhist ideals that they hate their own ancestors. Do you know anything about Rishis and them going to war with Kings against other Kings and their propensity of sacrificing animals. Indian mind and culture was destroyed under chand Asoka when he pushed Buddhism onto Hindus, he destroyed India then and there and made India susceptible to Invasions. Did you know the buddhist idea of purity is so harmful that entire caste or tribes were pushed into status of lesser castes because they didn't stop eating meat. Leather got outlawed, the repercussions of which were felt when Indian went to war against muslims invaders. Leather is so important for Horse riding, it changed tactics for war. There is a reason India has been in a decline since Asoka that is more than 2000 years. This is same time period where the west saw its rise and today everything that we use has been western technology. Do you know what is the natural and most easily available source of B12. Just read what does deficiency of b12 does to human. There is a reason Indian are the shortest people in the world. The evidence is staring you in the face and slapping you yet you are in denial.
@@abhay86647 "Bro have you hear about Max Muller [...] wife talkin about this" ===================================== Bro, Have YOU personally read the ACTUAL vedas? Have YOU personally read the ACTUAL works of Max Müller?
The verse you mentioned, 3.47.22, is one such verse. Here is the translation of that verse: "Rest here awhile. My husband will return with plenty of meat of many kinds from the forest, killing deer, alligators, and wild boars." It's important to note that while this verse does mention the consumption of meat, it is a dialogue spoken by Sita in a specific context, and it does not imply that Lord Rama regularly consumed meat. In the larger narrative of the Ramayana, Lord Rama is consistently portrayed as a righteous and compassionate individual who follows a vegetarian lifestyle.
@@Anonymous1000p0 Here are some of the verses from the Vālmiki Rāmāyaṇa. The translations are from Vālmiki Rāmāyaṇa of Desiraju Hanumanta Rao & K. M. K. Murthy. You can also check out alternative translation at Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidyapeetha’s Vālmiki Rāmāyaṇa Translation project, which is based on six different commentaries. Verses implying that Rama ate meat: Ayodhya Kanda 2-52-102 तौ तत्र हत्वा चतुरः महा मृगान् | वराहम् ऋश्यम् पृषतम् महा रुरुम् | आदाय मेध्यम् त्वरितम् बुभुक्षितौ| वासाय काले ययतुर् वनः पतिम् || २-५२-१०२ Having hunted there four deer, namely Varaaha, Rishya, Prisata; and Mahaaruru (the four principal species of deer) and taking quickly the portions that were pure, being hungry as they were, Rama and Lakshmana reached a tree to take rest in the evening. Alternative translation: Being famished, Rama, Lakshmana hunted and killed a boar, a Rishya animal (a white footed male antelope), a spotted deer and a great deer with black stripes and quickly partaking the pure meat reached a tree by the evening to spend the night. Ayodhya Kanda 2-55-32/33 क्रोशमात्रम् ततो गत्वा भ्रातरौ रामलक्ष्मनौ || २-५५-३३ बहून्मेध्यान् मृगान् हत्वा चेरतुर्यमुनावने | Thereafter having travelled only a couple of miles the two brothers Rama and Lakshmana killed many consecrated deer and ate in the river-forest of Yamuna. Alternative translation: After travelling a distance of two miles further in the forest on the bank of Yamuna, those two brothers slew deers worthy for sacrifice for food and ate them. Ayodhya Kanda 2-96-1/2 तां तथा दर्शयित्वा तु मैथिलीं गिरिनिम्नगाम् | निषसाद गिरिप्रस्थे सीतां मांसेन चन्दयन् || २-९६-१ इदं मेध्यमिदं स्वादु निष्टप्तमिदमग्निना | एवमास्ते स धर्मात्मा सीतया सह राघवः || २-९६-२ Having shown Mandakini River in that manner to Seetha, the daughter of Mithila, Rama set on the hill-side in order to gratify her appetite with a piece of flesh. Rama, whose mind was devoted to righteousness stayed there with Seetha, saying; “This meat is fresh, this is savoury and roasted in the fire.” Alternative translation: Having shown to Sita the mountain-river Mandakini and gratifying her with meat, Rama sat on the mountain slope. Righteous Rama was seated in Sita’s company and remarked saying “This meat is sacred. This is savoury roasted in fire”. Aranya Kanda 3-44-27 निहत्य पृषतम् च अन्यम् मांसम् आदाय राघवः | त्वरमाणो जनस्थानम् ससार अभिमुखः तदा || ३-४४-२७ Raghava then on killing another spotted deer and on taking its flesh, he hurried himself towards Janasthaana. Alternative translation: Then Rama killed another deer, got the meat and quickly departed to Janasthana. Aranya Kanda 3-47-23 समाश्वस मुहूर्तम् तु शक्यम् वस्तुम् इह त्वया || ३-४७-२२ आगमिष्यति मे भर्ता वन्यम् आदाय पुष्कलम् | रुरून् गोधान् वराहान् च हत्वा आदाय अमिषान् बहु || ३-४७-२३ [Sita to Ravana] “Be comfortable for a moment, here it is possible for you to make a sojourn, and soon my husband will be coming on taking plentiful forest produce, and on killing stags, mongooses, wild boars he fetches meat, aplenty. Alternative translation: “Take rest for a while staying here. It is hoped that my husband will come and be getting from the forest plenty of meat of many kinds on killing deer, alligators and hogs.” Aranya Kanda 3-73-13/17 न उद्विजन्ते नरान् दृष्ट्वा वधस्य अकोविदाः शुभाः || ३-७३-१३ घृत पिण्ड उपमान् स्थूलान् तान् द्विजान् भक्षयिष्यथः | रोहितान् वक्र तुण्डान् च नल मीनान् च राघव || ३-७३-१४ पंपायाम् इषुभिः मत्स्यान् तत्र राम वरान् हतान् | निस्त्वक्पक्षानयसतप्तानकृशान्नैककण्टकान् - यद्वा - निः त्वक् पक्षान् अयस तप्तान् अकृशान् न अनेक कण्टकान् || ३-७३-१५ तव भक्त्या समायुक्तो लक्ष्मणः संप्रदास्यति | भृशम् तान् खादतो मत्स्यान् पंपायाः पुष्प संचये || ३-७३-१६ पद्म गन्धि शिवम् वारि सुख शीतम् अनामयम् | उद्धृत्य स तदा अक्लिष्टम् रूप्य स्फटिक सन्निभम् || ३-७३-१७ अथ पुष्कर पर्णेन लक्ष्मणः पाययिष्यति | [Kabandha to Rama] “Thereabout birds will be unflustered on seeing humans, because they are artless to avoid hunting, because none kills them, and you may savour them because those birds will be best and burley, similar to ghee-gobs. “Oh, Rama in that Pampa Lake there are best fishes, red-carps, and blunt-snouted small porpoises, and a sort of sprats, which are neither scraggy, nor with many fish-bones. Lakshmana will reverentially offer them to you on skewering them with arrow, and on broiling them on iron rod of arrow after descaling and de-finning them. While you eat those fishes to satiety, Lakshmana will offer you the water of Pampa Lake, which will be in the bunches of flowers of that lake, and which will be lotus-scented, pellucid, comfortably cool, shiny like silver and crystal, uncontaminated and that way pristine, by lifting it up that water with lotus leaf, making that leaf a stoup-like basin… [3-73-16b, 17, 18a] Alternative translation: “Not knowing what it is to be killed on those auspicious birds will not be scared of human beings. You both can kill those birds and eat those fat birds that are comparable to balls of butter-fat. Rama! There in the Pampa Lakshmana, by charging an arrow at the best of fish with a single bone, prawns and big fish crooked bodied fish, removing their skin and wings, piercing through skewers made of iron, cook and offer them with devotion. While you are delightedly eating fish Lakshmana can fetch you water in a lotus leaf from the Pampa tank. The waters of Pampa has a scent of lotuses being full of lotus, It is enjoyable, cool, healthy and crystal clearlike silver.”
In Sanatan Dharma, if meat must be consumed it must be done if no other alternatives exist in order to survive. However, it doesn't mean that it allows the free consumption of daily meat eating and killing as well. A just and balanced approach must be adopted. That's the tragedy of today's world nowadays. People are not properly trained in the subtleties of these fine realization of these sages. Killing of an animal is not a fun matter for we are depriving it of its life, and this must not be a normal occurrence, particularly in times of great harvest and bountiful of alternate food availability.
The comments, video and people here exactly depict why our country is going wrong. We are least bothered about rama's righteousness , his staunch belief of dharma. But we want to know what Rama ate. My question to you all is say Rama ate non veg. Will he stop being Rama to you? Why are you stuck in this ruckus.? How does it matter what he ate? Why are we ignoring the rest of Rama and debating on this topic endlessly For me Rama is Rama. In telugu theres a proverb - రామాయణం లో పిడకలవేట.. what you ppl are doing is the same . Instaed of grasping essence of Ramayana and rama, you are stuck in this rut. pity you ppl
Surprisingly the only person or TV series to ever get it right that *Sri Rama being Vishnu Avatara only accepted 'Naivedya' that too with Tulsi Leaves as aahaara (food)* was Sanjay Khan's Jai Hanuman. A Muslim got it right ! And here Hindus are salivating for meat wrongly citing Sri Rama ate meat......
ഏതൊരാളുടെ അറിവും സമ്പൂർണ്ണമല്ല. ഒരു ഭാഷയിലെ പ്രമേയം ഇംഗ്ലീഷിൽ എഴുതിയാൽ അത് നൂറ് ശതമാനവും യഥാർത്ഥ ആശയം പ്രകടമാകില്ല. സനാതന ധർമ്മത്തിലെ വേദങ്ങളും പുരാണങ്ങളും ഉപനിഷത്തുകളും ഇംഗ്ലീഷ് ഭാഷയിൽ വിവർത്തനം ചെയ്യപ്പെട്ടിട്ടുണ്ട്. അത് ഇന്ത്യൻ ഭാഷയിൽ വ്യക്തമാക്കുന്നതു പോലെ ആശയം വ്യക്തമാക്കാൻ കഴിഞ്ഞിട്ടില്ല. എന്തിന് പല സംസ്കൃത വാക്കിന്റെ അർത്ഥം പോലും വിഖലമായാണ് കൊടുത്തിട്ടുള്ളത്. "മഹാ മദ് " എന്ന വാക്കിനെ മുഹമ്മദ് ആയി ചിത്രീകരിച്ചു. അത് ഒരു കൂട്ടർക്ക് മുഹമ്മദിനെ പറ്റി വേദങ്ങളിൽ വേദങ്ങളിലും ഉണ്ട് എന്ന് വാദിക്കാൻ അവസരം ഉണ്ടാക്കി. മഹാ മദും മുഹമ്മദും കടലും കടലാടിയും തമ്മിൽ ഉള്ള വ്യത്യാസം ആണ് ഉള്ളത്. കൂടുതൽ എഴുതാൻ ഇടമില്ല. എന്തിന് ശ്രീരാൻറെ കേസുകെട്ട് എടുക്കുന്നു? മനുഷ്യ മാംസം കഴിക്കുന്ന ഈ കാലഘട്ടത്തിൽ പോലും കോടിക്കണക്കിന് സസ്യാഹാരം കഴിക്കുന്നവരുണ്ട് ഞാനുൾപ്പെടെ. FACTS VS MYTHS, SANATANA DHARMA UNLIMITED എന്ന ശ്രീ സുദർശൻ ചക്രവർത്തിയുടെ വീഡിയോ കാണുക. വാല്മീകി രാമായണത്തിൽ ശ്രീരാമൻ മാംസം ഭക്ഷിച്ചതായി സം.ശയിക്കുന്ന ശ്ലോകത്തിന്റെ അർത്ഥം, സാഹചര്യം വ്യക്തമായി വിശദീകരിക്കുന്നുണ്ട്. കേൾക്കുക ചിന്തിക്കുക. ജ്ഞാനഥ്തിന് ഒരു സ്റ്റാർട്ടിംഗ് പോയിന്റോ ഫിനിഷിംഗ് പോയിന്റും ഇല്ല. അനന്തമാണ് ജ്ഞാനം. നമ്മുടെ ആയുസ്സ് ആണെങ്കിൽ കൂടി വന്നാൽ നൂറ് വർഷവും. പക്ഷേ നമ്മൾ ചർച്ച ചെയ്യുന്നത്, കോടിക്കണക്കിന്, ലക്ഷക്കണക്കിന്, ആയിരക്കണക്കിന് വർഷങ്ങൾക്ക് മുമ്പുള്ള സംഭവ വികാസങ്ങളെ പറ്റി ആധികാരികമായി,,ൾ അവസാന വാക്ക് എന്ന നിലയിലും.
Even Dushyant Sridhar so called prominent Sri Vaishnava preacher is falsely claiming that Lord Rama ate meat. Such disgrace and misguidance he is doing in the name of preaching.
@@maheshvarma391 How is it Dharma that you allow meat eaters to feel happy to remain as meat eaters because even "Lord Rama ate meat". Let's say even if Lord Rama did, he could eat the entire universe also. Can we imitate that? Meat eating in Lord Rama's time was never like these days with millions animals killed every minute in slaughter houses. This is mass cruelty and one has to pay a heavy karma and Dushyant is contributing to this mass ignorance.
@@ayiruskan8016 I am not justifying anything. I said dushyant is not just preaching but also giving interviews in tamil news channels saying that rama ate eat.
@@maheshvarma391 Sorry bro I'm not saying that to you. I mean he is doing something very adharmic. This will have consequences, I hope he changes it does not do justice at all to his Guru Parampara.
What's wrong in Kshatriya eating meat as even as per Shastra one is allowed to eat .Even in Ramayana there is a clear verse that even Rishi Agastya a Brahmin ate the meat ball to eliminate vatapi .So what's wrong in eating meat. Chatrapathi Shivaji,Maharana Pratap and may others ate meat does it mean if we eat Meat we are no sanatanis. Sages like swami vivekanand who we rever a lot consumed fish If any shastra says that meat eating people are not sanatana Dharmis even though we love the Lord Krishna then I will never call myself Sanatani .
Dear sanatani's, well there is big confusion about the consumption of meat by lord ram or not, however, vedas clearly indicate that hindus used to consume meat, my observation is that if Lord ram was god, why he on the first place needed to consume food, does God need food to eat? And second quick question when lord ram died? And how!!!! Please quote from authentic sources, so that i can counter check....
Bro... concept of God completely differs comparison of Islam and Hindu... Gods are seen as fellow humans in Hinduism and not a god who is not born or dead... And there are multiple meanings for mamsa in sanskrit... sometimes mamsa refers to fruit pulp too...
@@prahaladadharsh9766 bro, can God be human? But as per your vedas God is formless, shapeless, please check your vedas.... Your Pandits or priests a creating confusion among hindus, see, vedas are ultimate religious scriptures among hindus, atleast you can check by yourself.... There are 33 crore hindu deities, it again goes against vedas, God is one, unique, formless, shapeless, ultimate, beyond the comprehension of human mind..... Please read your vedas properly.... Lord shiva is God, Lord krishana is God, Brahmana is God, these are three primary God's among hindus... However my question was about the consumption of cow meat, As per the collection of Swami Vivekananda volume 3 , page number 536,during the vedic period cow was used as a meal, please check by yourself.... Read the book by yourself, during the vedic period, yagni was taking place and cow was sacrificed, please read the book " Myth of holy cow", As per sunita kumar chatterjee " Cultural heritage of india is the name of book, she quoted from vedas that cow meat was allowed in vedic period, page number 237.... Bro, I can give you number of reference, I simply wish to find why hindus treat cow as holy Mother, what is logic behind it, how can a cow be mother of human's..... Cow is just an animal, we are Homosapiens, we humans are much advanced in thinking, reasoning, logic, rationality, and what pushes you people believe that animal is superior than human race.... Bro, please quote from authentic ( vedas / Upanshides) , I also a small request that you will get vedas from the market and read by yourself....
@@saleemhamid3519 😂😂bro...u are quoting Vedas as like u have read it fully 😂... First of all no where in Vedas or scriptures mentioned god is formless shapeless etc etc.. And yes..gods can be in human shape ...but i won't enter into that argument..it's seperate one . Let's talk about meat eating.. Nowhere in Vedas or scriptures it is written that eating meat is prohibited... Like for example in Quran it's mentioned as eating pork is prohibited and sin.. But can u show me any rpoofs that eating meat is prohibited is written in scriptures!?.. And secondly yess..there were yajna practiced by sacrificing horse or goat... Till now many Hindus do practice the bali... Pashu Bali can be interpreted as either fruit or animal.. U can give fruit as bali... U can give animal as bali.. Both are being practiced... Because in Hinduism there are 2 ways to attain moksha . One is by following satvic way..no harm and no violence..good karma good dharma way...being vegitarian, being fruit Bali evrything comes in this way . There is second way called tantric .. In this bali used to perform.. eating non veg etc efc.. It's all personal choice of people to follow whichever way they want . Scriptures never banned or prohibited anything for a human . He can do anything he want.. His karma will take care of evrything.. Good karma leads to good life.. Tis is the main core of Hinduism.. Karma and dharma
@@saleemhamid3519 and about "how cow can be a holy animal"... We Hindus consider cow as holy animal..and mother because it is the only animal which provides for us . It gives milk..it helps in agriculture.. These 2 were the only occupation before 2000 years... There were no doctors engineers etc in early stages of human.. Agriculture was the only occupation.. And agriculture is impossible without cow.. We worship cow because it provides for us.. Without cow humans cannot survive... Thts why we praise and worship cow.. Please understand the logic before commenting... If I started to quote Qur'an verses then u can't even argue with me.. Let's not get into hatred argument... And don't form your opinions on another religion without even knowing anything bro. It will land u in trouble...thank h
@@prahaladadharsh9766 please put me in the trouble, quote verses from the holy quran , incase you have read holy quran because of course you do not know the Arabic language... As per your logic, 2000years ago, we used to have agricultural Society and thus we used cow and eventually it became holy, so there is no religious validation which makes cow, an holy animal as per your understanding Why Goa and northeast states consume cow? Why lower caste hindus and Dravadian's consume meat.... Let me give you a shock, bro you have been programmed in a way where you simple believe... One of the absurd argument on the face of this earth is that God takes human form... So bro, please do more research... Now, coming back to islam.... The word islam means ( peace) We believe in Prophethood Since the creation of this earth, more than 1 lac prophets being send to every nation, the last and final prophet is prophet Mohammed peace be upon him, you see, many non believers or nonMuslims think that prophet Muhammed ( peace be upon him) belongs to Muslims, hell no, he is prophet of everyone, it is clearly mentioned in the holy quran Bro... Islam is not 1400 years old religion, this is again misconception among non Muslims, the first prophetic is prophet Adam ( peace be upon him and his wife Eve peace be upon him) Allah means universal God, who created you and me and everything that is there in the universe... Allah is noor( light) , so our creator is one, we came from him and we will return back to him.... Bro, now regarding cow and many God's in Hinduism, I didn't get any convincing answer from you.... But, if you have any question or list of questions about islam Or about your own prophet Muhammad ( peace be upon him) go ahead and u are most welcome..... Waiting eagerly....
@terrance362 “Grateful to you [...] god bless you” ================== LOL. This apologist TamBrahm (Tamil Brahmin) Thenkalai Iyengar Sudarsan Chakravarthy should discuss this topic with his fellow-Tam-Brahm (Tamil Brahmin) Sri Vaishnava scholar, *Mr. Dushyanth Sridhar* (of the Vadakalai Iyengar sect). *Mr. Dushyanth Sridhar is much more HONEST about this topic,* UNLIKE this *charlatan Sudarsan Chakravarthy.*
@@Narendra00000 "The fact that you [...] need any lectures fron you." ========================= You dislike the fact that the SERIOUS PROBLEMS of your belief-system are being pointed out, don't you, my dear TAN TANAATANIST? This THENKALAI IYENGAR Sudarsan Chakravarthy-whom you seem to laud and admire-is himself proudly displaying the markers of his caste (i.e., SO-CALLED Varna), to begin with.
@@Narendra00000 "The fact that you [...] any lectures fron you." ============================== Caste (i.e. SO-CALLED Varna system) is an integral part of Hinduism (i.e. SO-CALLED Sanatana Dharmism), no matter how much you try to be disingenuous about it. Even this Sudarsan Chakravarthy is openly displaying his caste identity. You just do not have it in you to face FACT-BASED criticism of your mumbo-jumbo belief-system.
@ravindraravindra9809 "Don't dare to disfame Lord sri ram you will go to hell" =========================== LMAO. You are nothing but a burnol-needing TAN-TANAATANI who is unable to come to terms with the fact that your own holy book contradicts your beliefs.
Usually when one consumes meat they get angry, very impatient and find fault with others. Lord Ram didn't have any of the characteristics he was the opposite patient, kind hearted and righteous in virtue and at heart and spiritual. So conclusion is Lord Ram was a sathvic person who ate sathvic diet. To other religious ppl who have commented here and orther ppl who interpret meanings orherwise and misunderstand interpretation of the great Vedas or the Epic Ramayana better luck nxt time to defame an Epic and Lord Ram.
@travel-watchworld. "Usually when one consumes meat [...] an Epic and Lord Ram." =============================================== *Your very premise* that "Usually when one consumes meat they get angry, very impatient and find fault with others." *is WRONG.*
The worst part is that people are so hell bent on making lord Ram a non vegetarian that they'll gladly accept the mistranslated texts ... Kalyug indeed
Read the texts properly, when you misunderstand it (which you clearly have), read it again and again, if you still do not get it, close the book as it is regrettably not for you.
Pick up something else or perhaps watch Netflix, go shopping, eat out, etc.
The worst part actually is people who misunderstand the texts and claim to have actually understood it. It’s a pity and then they complain about Kalyug, etc. Don’t worry you are an exception and have risen beyond. Stay blessed and focus on more important things in life and the book you are claiming to have read. Do not get obsessed with meat eating and make it your sole objective of your remaining life.
The fact that you bring caste into this shows how you've been raised. So I don't need any lectures fron you.
@@Narendra00000 the fact that you came on RUclips, watched this clip, scrolled and found my specific comment proves that you are very much interested in reading and learning from me. All the best. If you respond to this comment, it will also further strengthen my belief.
@@bhushanmalik I'm really sorry instead of responding to another comment about this comment. I responded to you. I don't how this happened. I'm sorry🙏🏻
@@Narendra00000me lose argument so me leave
Namaskarams! Expressing deep gratitude for all of your service in sharing knowledge!
What Sri Ram did or said, its right. Rest doesn't matter. Jai Siya Ram
So what if he ate meat. We apply his dharmic teachings in our everyday lives. It matters only what comes out, not what goes in.
@Balharbor28
“So what if he ate meat [...] not what goes in.”
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I see the point that you are trying to make.
But you should tell this to fraudulent apologysts like this Sudarsan Chakravarthy.
And I don't see any thing wrong with eating any meat.
See eating meat is basic, I always believe it is. For instance rama ran after the 'swarnmirga' without hesitation he was ready to kill it without the feeling of eating it, just to have it for her wife, and yet everyone believed he never killed any animal during 14 years of 'vanwasa'...(For me wasting the animal or killing an animal and not utilising it's part properly is disrespectful...)
Lord Rama used to eat meat even many great kshariyas and brahmin sages used to eat meat
Aranya Kanda, Canto 14, Verse 12 and 13 of the Ramayana: विधाय चान्नं विविधं मांसानि च सुसंस्कृतम् |
तेषामग्रे महात्मानाम् सम्प्रदान्य ह राघवम् ||
And this is the integral part of our Culture and it should be embraced
Untouchability is also integral part of culture😂😂😂
Thanks sir for clarification
Dhanyavaadaha Guruji for the lucid explanation that helped in clearing several misconceptions. I thank the person who asked this question, due to whose act we are now blessed with this clarity. It only goes to reinforce the importance of having diligence and faith while trying to understand the message propounded by our shastras. Shortcuts like relying on simplified translations may actually damage our understanding. Mahatmas like you do a great service by correcting our ignorance and pointing us in the right path. May Krishna shower His Blessings and Grace on you to spread His message far and wide for years to come.
@Madhusoodhanans
"Dhanyavaadaha Guruji for the lucid explanation that [...] message far and wide for years to come."
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LOL.
This apologist Sudarsan Chakravarthy (of the Thenkalai sect) should discuss things with his fellow-Tam-Brahm (Tamil Brahmin) Sri Vaishnava Iyengar scholar, Mr. Dushyanth Sridhar (of the Vadakalai sect).
*At least Mr. Dushyanth Sridhar is much more HONEST about this topic, UNLIKE this charlatan Sudarsan Chakravarthy.*
@@ex.hindu.now.atheist
Remove hate layered goggles from your eyes and then think before you utter nonsense here.
Here are some of the verses from the Vālmiki Rāmāyaṇa. The translations are from Vālmiki Rāmāyaṇa of Desiraju Hanumanta Rao & K. M. K. Murthy. You can also check out alternative translation at Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidyapeetha’s Vālmiki Rāmāyaṇa Translation project, which is based on six different commentaries.
Verses implying that Rama ate meat:
Ayodhya Kanda 2-52-102
तौ तत्र हत्वा चतुरः महा मृगान् |
वराहम् ऋश्यम् पृषतम् महा रुरुम् |
आदाय मेध्यम् त्वरितम् बुभुक्षितौ|
वासाय काले ययतुर् वनः पतिम् || २-५२-१०२
Having hunted there four deer, namely Varaaha, Rishya, Prisata; and Mahaaruru (the four principal species of deer) and taking quickly the portions that were pure, being hungry as they were, Rama and Lakshmana reached a tree to take rest in the evening.
Alternative translation: Being famished, Rama, Lakshmana hunted and killed a boar, a Rishya animal (a white footed male antelope), a spotted deer and a great deer with black stripes and quickly partaking the pure meat reached a tree by the evening to spend the night.
Ayodhya Kanda 2-55-32/33
क्रोशमात्रम् ततो गत्वा भ्रातरौ रामलक्ष्मनौ || २-५५-३३
बहून्मेध्यान् मृगान् हत्वा चेरतुर्यमुनावने |
Thereafter having travelled only a couple of miles the two brothers Rama and Lakshmana killed many consecrated deer and ate in the river-forest of Yamuna.
Alternative translation: After travelling a distance of two miles further in the forest on the bank of Yamuna, those two brothers slew deers worthy for sacrifice for food and ate them.
Ayodhya Kanda 2-96-1/2
तां तथा दर्शयित्वा तु मैथिलीं गिरिनिम्नगाम् |
निषसाद गिरिप्रस्थे सीतां मांसेन चन्दयन् || २-९६-१
इदं मेध्यमिदं स्वादु निष्टप्तमिदमग्निना |
एवमास्ते स धर्मात्मा सीतया सह राघवः || २-९६-२
Having shown Mandakini River in that manner to Seetha, the daughter of Mithila, Rama set on the hill-side in order to gratify her appetite with a piece of flesh. Rama, whose mind was devoted to righteousness stayed there with Seetha, saying; “This meat is fresh, this is savoury and roasted in the fire.”
Alternative translation: Having shown to Sita the mountain-river Mandakini and gratifying her with meat, Rama sat on the mountain slope. Righteous Rama was seated in Sita’s company and remarked saying “This meat is sacred. This is savoury roasted in fire”.
Aranya Kanda 3-44-27
निहत्य पृषतम् च अन्यम् मांसम् आदाय राघवः |
त्वरमाणो जनस्थानम् ससार अभिमुखः तदा || ३-४४-२७
Raghava then on killing another spotted deer and on taking its flesh, he hurried himself towards Janasthaana.
Alternative translation: Then Rama killed another deer, got the meat and quickly departed to Janasthana.
Aranya Kanda 3-47-23
समाश्वस मुहूर्तम् तु शक्यम् वस्तुम् इह त्वया || ३-४७-२२
आगमिष्यति मे भर्ता वन्यम् आदाय पुष्कलम् |
रुरून् गोधान् वराहान् च हत्वा आदाय अमिषान् बहु || ३-४७-२३
[Sita to Ravana] “Be comfortable for a moment, here it is possible for you to make a sojourn, and soon my husband will be coming on taking plentiful forest produce, and on killing stags, mongooses, wild boars he fetches meat, aplenty.
Alternative translation: “Take rest for a while staying here. It is hoped that my husband will come and be getting from the forest plenty of meat of many kinds on killing deer, alligators and hogs.”
Aranya Kanda 3-73-13/17
न उद्विजन्ते नरान् दृष्ट्वा वधस्य अकोविदाः शुभाः || ३-७३-१३
घृत पिण्ड उपमान् स्थूलान् तान् द्विजान् भक्षयिष्यथः |
रोहितान् वक्र तुण्डान् च नल मीनान् च राघव || ३-७३-१४
पंपायाम् इषुभिः मत्स्यान् तत्र राम वरान् हतान् |
निस्त्वक्पक्षानयसतप्तानकृशान्नैककण्टकान् - यद्वा -
निः त्वक् पक्षान् अयस तप्तान् अकृशान् न अनेक कण्टकान् || ३-७३-१५
तव भक्त्या समायुक्तो लक्ष्मणः संप्रदास्यति |
भृशम् तान् खादतो मत्स्यान् पंपायाः पुष्प संचये || ३-७३-१६
पद्म गन्धि शिवम् वारि सुख शीतम् अनामयम् |
उद्धृत्य स तदा अक्लिष्टम् रूप्य स्फटिक सन्निभम् || ३-७३-१७
अथ पुष्कर पर्णेन लक्ष्मणः पाययिष्यति |
[Kabandha to Rama] “Thereabout birds will be unflustered on seeing humans, because they are artless to avoid hunting, because none kills them, and you may savour them because those birds will be best and burley, similar to ghee-gobs. “Oh, Rama in that Pampa Lake there are best fishes, red-carps, and blunt-snouted small porpoises, and a sort of sprats, which are neither scraggy, nor with many fish-bones. Lakshmana will reverentially offer them to you on skewering them with arrow, and on broiling them on iron rod of arrow after descaling and de-finning them. While you eat those fishes to satiety, Lakshmana will offer you the water of Pampa Lake, which will be in the bunches of flowers of that lake, and which will be lotus-scented, pellucid, comfortably cool, shiny like silver and crystal, uncontaminated and that way pristine, by lifting it up that water with lotus leaf, making that leaf a stoup-like basin… [3-73-16b, 17, 18a]
Alternative translation: “Not knowing what it is to be killed on those auspicious birds will not be scared of human beings. You both can kill those birds and eat those fat birds that are comparable to balls of butter-fat. Rama! There in the Pampa Lakshmana, by charging an arrow at the best of fish with a single bone, prawns and big fish crooked bodied fish, removing their skin and wings, piercing through skewers made of iron, cook and offer them with devotion. While you are delightedly eating fish Lakshmana can fetch you water in a lotus leaf from the Pampa tank. The waters of Pampa has a scent of lotuses being full of lotus, It is enjoyable, cool, healthy and crystal clearlike silver.”
Yeah, write the actual translations, and pull the 'alternative translations ' out of your ass. What interpretation of the Ramayana (except those of your own) approve of your alternative translations?
Cite one credible source, one manuscript or commentary that aligns with your interpretations.
What does mr Sudharsan Chakravarthy have to say for this ?
Well said🙏
It is not there
@@nagendrachoudhary2611 he's lying
He ate palak paneer, matar Paneer, paneer butter masala, methi chaman, and Kheer in the jungle.
😅😅
😂😂😂
He must be ordering from Zomato jungle book special and Swiggy Tarzan apps. 😂😂😂
@@sachinkhale7513 no food delivery apps by then. Squirrels and monkeys only 😜
You mad guys don't make fun of him........
We love follow RAMA .
Thank sir for auch insightful message. You have given great efforts to how to understand the ramayan. Thank you very much guruji🙏🙏
@hdmss8621
"Thank sir for auch insightful message [...] understand the ramayan. Thank you very much guruji"
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LOL.
This apologist TamBrahm (Tamil Brahmin) Thenkalai Iyengar Sudarsan Chakravarthy should discuss this topic with his fellow-TamBrahm (Tamil Brahmin) scholar of Sri Vaishnavism, Mr. Dushyanth Sridhar (of the Vadakalai Iyengar sect).
*Mr. Dushyanth Sridhar is much more HONEST* about this topic, *UNLIKE this CHARLATAN Sudarsan Chakravarthy.*
@@ex.hindu.now.atheist Rama didn't ate meat in the original ramayana. This is true and 💯 true. If you accept or not the truth will not depend on you. A true seeker wants to know the truth. Everyone has their own significance. Don't underestimate by comparing with others. Sudarsan chakravarthy sir has his own talent and dushyant sridhar sir has his own talent. If you are underestimating anyone first think about what you did at least participated in to spread the truth. It's my wish to give a comment to a guru who shares knowledge. And I am not underestimating dushyant sridhar sir. He is also a gem for sanatan dharma. He has his own significance and I respect him.
00:05:00 B.S. starts here!
We do not have to justify whether he ate meet or not. As shathriya, he can eat meet .
The rant of people here is exactly why the study of scriptures was restricted without an understanding of grammar, phonology, context, etc.
First go and ask a Sanskrit scholar about the multiple meanings of the majority of the words in Sanskrit and then argue to showcase your knowledge.
Fighting strangers on the internet to prove your ignorance and impatience is a sign of not being prepared for a discussion on scriptures. May God give you discretion and illumination. 🙏
Meat eating was only encouraged in dire times like illness, non availability of plants and under strict community rituals where the one conducting the ritual had such great grasp over the laws of transmigration that he would ensure the higher birth of the slaughtered animal and even those rituals are for the clients who were obsessed and habituated to meat, not for those who didn't consume it already.
Eating meat in the limit was also prescribed for those who were like rakshasas and would lose their minds and appetite if abruptly enforced to eat all meat as they were gradually weaned off it.
Do not ignore the warnings about unnecessary violence...meat wasn't meant for enjoyment but only survival.
So avoid taking the exceptions as rules to justify your lust for flesh that comes from enslaved and tortured animals.
Remember that one of the places where Parikshit allowed Kaliyuga to stay was wherever there is slaughter of animals.
I, also recommend all of you to read Shrauthayagna Kalpavalli by Sri Aatmakooru Aanandateertha Sharma to understand there is no Yaagnika Pashu himsaa at all in Vaidika Yagna and Samskruti.
The funny thing is the translates are also brahmins so we can not blame them. Uttarakanda gives several instances of. meat eating and drinking myreya somarasa. So no body can contradict the original slokas
Experts have not been able to determine whether a hippo eats meat or not; wonder why all are speculating and arguing about the Lord eating meat or not in a completely different yug. Only lessons from the sacred Ramayana matter, rest is interpretation and speculation.
Ayodhya Kanda, Sarga 20, Verse 26
प्रदीर्य तु पवित्राणि फलमूलानि चैव ह
गृह्य नानाविधं मांसं व्याघ्र स्य महिषस्य च
Then, having taken various kinds of clean fruits and roots, he offered different kinds of meat, including that of a deer and a buffalo.
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Aranya Kanda, Sarga 36, Verse 41
दशमास्यानि धान्यानि फलानि च सहस्रशः।
लाक्षा संभग्नमूलानि क्रमशः सत्रमास्तु च।
मांस्यानि च सुवर्णानि मधून्युपधार्य च॥
For ten months, grains and thousands of fruits and roots of various kinds, prepared as sacrificial offerings, and meat and honey of excellent quality were brought and stored.
Hare Krishna Prabhu 🙏
Nice explanation and indeed the correct one too. Only vaishnavas and devotees can understand the Supreme Lord as it's said in Shrimad Bhaagavatam 9.4.68, only devotees can know and understand the Lord Vishnu. Thank you 👍😊
You are ignorant. In Mahabharat & Ramayan time, everyone was a meat eater. There was no concept of vegetarianism.
All the holy rituals required meat compulsorily.
Vegetarianism is jainism, not Hinduism. In Sanatan, meat is compulsory. Vegetarianism is a maha paap.
@@trira1171 yeah after seeing the video above still you are talking like this with no basis of from where you can quote and simply mental concoction, that itself shows your ignorance. Thank you.
@@venugopaldasvgdthey just love meat and etc non veg item so to protect themselves from paap they are just using shree ram as an excuse
@@JugramHaschwalth_B
"they just love meat and etc non veg item so to [...] they are just using shree ram as an excuse"
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LOL.
This apologist Sudarsan Chakravarthy (of the Thenkalai Iyengar sect) should discuss things with his fellow-Tam-Brahm (Tamil Brahmin) Sri Vaishnava Iyengar scholar, Mr. Dushyanth Sridhar (of the Vadakalai Iyengar sect).
*At least Mr. Dushyanth Sridhar is much more HONEST about this topic, UNLIKE this charlatan Sudarsan Chakravarthy.*
@@ex.hindu.now.atheist bla bla bla keep crying i am not even interested in your words, give 10 to 100 paragraphs whatever you want to explain your name itself explains it all an atheist lol keep crying kiddo dont even talk to me.
Even talking with you will make me a part of sin 😂 you have a special reservation in hell be happy, gain as much happiness you can because after dearh only crying is option left for you 😂
Dasarath - bow & arrow -ram - bows & arrows. Kshatriya. Canine teeth indicates -
The verse you mentioned, 3.47.22, is one such verse. Here is the translation of that verse:
"Rest here awhile. My husband will return with plenty of meat of many kinds from the forest, killing deer, alligators, and wild boars."
It's important to note that while this verse does mention the consumption of meat, it is a dialogue spoken by Sita in a specific context, and it does not imply that Lord Rama regularly consumed meat. In the larger narrative of the Ramayana, Lord Rama is consistently portrayed as a righteous and compassionate individual who follows a vegetarian lifestyle.
ഇന്നത്തെ മുസ്ലീങ്ങൾ തങ്ങളുടെ പ്രവാചകനെ വെള്ളപൂശുന്നത് പോലെ..
What do you mean???? Lord Ram went to Jungle not for hunting Deer. He ate Palak Paneer, Paneer Butter Masala and Chole Batture Only. Jai Shri Ram 🙏 🚩
What , you said in the translation there is deer and boar but vegetarian , can you please explain
Lord Rama and seetha never ate meat please don't degrade like this you are hurting one's feelings he is purely satvik he loves every creature in this universe Jai Shri Ram 🕉️🚩💞
@@sreedhar674 is that the reason why he had hunted wild Animals?
Even when you ignore the translations, the shlokas in Sanskrit clearly mention meat eating. Meat means meat, it doesn't mean anything else. Learn to accept the truth and stop misguiding people with imginery theory.
Try harder no one cares about your opinion
Lmfao go and search in sanskrit translation, maamsa means either meat or pulp fruit
Verse:1
तां तथा दर्शयित्वा तु मैथिलीं गिरिनिम्नगाम् |
निषसाद गिरिप्रस्थे सीतां मांसेन चन्दयन् || २-९६-१
Verse:2
न मांसं राघवो भुङ्क्ते न चापि मधुसेवते | वन्यं सुविहितं नित्यं भक्तमश्नाति पञ्चमम् || ५-३६-४१
Now here, most of the scholars have translated the term '’māṃsaṃ' as meat.
But as per Sanskrit dictionary, māṃsaṃ also means a pulp of a fruit.
Moreover, Lord Rama himself had promised his mother’ Kaikeyi' that he would only consume fruits and tubers in forest.
Ayodhya Kand, Valmiki Ramayana
Hence, the Translation of māṃsaṃ as meat is itself very much contradictory and illogical. We can conclude that Lord Rama consuming meat is nothing more than a sort of translation error.
Having shown Mandakini River in that manner to Seetha, the daughter of Mithila, Rama sat on the hill-side in order to gratify her appetite with a piece of flesh.
Valmiki Ramayana, 2-96-1
Rama, whose mind was devoted to righteousness stayed there with Seetha, saying; “This meat is fresh, this is savoury and roasted in the fire.”
Valmiki Ramayana, 2-96-2
The sanskrit word used here is “maamsena,” ok, it can be argued that the word maamsa means flesh but it also means pulp of the fruit.
But, it can be again argued that Rama roasted it in fire and we don't roast fruits. People can also say that “māmsa” here means roots and roots can be roasted.
Let's see some verses where Rama and Sita spoke about fruits and roots.
“Bathing three times a day in the river and living on honey, roots and fruits in your company, I do not desire for the kingdom nor do I long for Ayodhya now.”
Valmiki Ramayana, 2-95-17
“Leaves, tubers and fruits either a little or abundant in quantity brought and given by you yourself will be like nectar to me.”
Valmiki Ramayana, 2-30-15
I shall live only on roots and fruits always, no doubt. Living along with you, I shall not create any unpleasantness to you.
Valmiki Ramayana, 2-27-15
On saying thus to Lakshmana, Raghava, the enhancer of magnificence comfortable resided in that province which is with many a fruit.
Valmiki Ramayana, 3-15-30.
@@SwarOrLapis just like shoe in English means a shoe or a comb right?
@@bhushanmalik shoe is an english word.😂 hindu texts are sanskrit. Sanskrit dictionary has 102.78 billion words while english only has 171,000(approx)💀
Use common sense dumbhead
Also maamsa in sanskrit means pulp of fruit.
There are several verses which states ram didnt consume meat in his exile.
What about the myth of religion?
In tamilnad Sri dushyanth sridhar says like this.that ram ji maans khaathey they....
ఒక్కొక్కడు ఒకటి చెబుతాడు, మాంసాహారం తిన్నారని
తినలేదని.
సుప్రసిద్ధ సంస్కృత పండితులు తిన్నారని చెప్పారు.
ఎక్కువ భాగం పోడునామాలు పెట్టిన వారు తినలేదని
అడ్డం భోట్లు పెట్టిన వారు తిన్నారని.
చివరికి
ఆ శ్రీ రామచంద్రుని కే ఎరుక
Suraghta sahasren masbhutodanen f |
Yakshye tvam prayata devi purim punurpagata || 2-52-89
89. devii = "Oh; goddess! Upaagata = After reaching; puriim = the city (Ayodhya); punaH = again; yakshhye = I shall worship (you); suraaghata sahasreNa = with thousand pots of spirituous liquor (Means Specially Prepared Juice Juice); maamsa MAAMSA means FLESH OF FRUITS & VEGETABLES Not MEAT bhuutodanena cha = and jellied Flesh of Vegetables & Fruits with cooked rice; prayataa = well-prepared for the solemn rite."
Many times Maamsa in wrongly interpreted meat but it is actually FLESH OF VEGETABLES & FRUITS
It is very evident from Valmiki's Ramayana verses that he did eat meat. There's no room for misinterpretation about it being a fruit pulp. He was a Kshatriya so why do Vaishnavas get defensive? Meat eating has always been a part of Hindu culture, including in the Vedic religion, it's just the natural course human history and meat eating/not eating does not make anyone more or less virtuous. Jai Shree Ram!
Why do you want Sri Rama to eat meat? What makes you think you can understand and interpret Ramayana more than someone who has much deeper knowledge of shastras and Sanskrit? Most translations of Ramayana in English are hugely misinterpreted and twisted. They have done it not only to Ramayana but every sacred text of ours. And just like not every brahmin is vegetarian, not every Kshatriya has to be meat eater and hunt animals.
@@param_jnana Incorrect. In numerous verses, Ram and Lakshmana are depicted killing and eating the meat of animals.
In Ayodhya Khanda Sarga 56, verse 22-28 (2:56:22-28), Ram asks Lakshmana to bring him the meat of an antelope for a sacrificial ceremony. Lakshmana agrees, kills the antelope, and then Ram asks him to boil and cook it thoroughly until no blood remains.
In Ayodhya Khanda, Sarga 52, verse 102 (2:52:102), Ram and Lakshmana upon arriving at the land of Vatsa hunt and kill 4 deer (one from each of the principle species of deer at the time, Varaaha, Rishya, Prisata, and Mahaaruru), and ate them.
These are valid references in any translation of the Valmiki Ramayan, and there are literally hundreds more.
@@KishoreG2396 firstly the Sanskrit words have so many meanings. One have to put a lot of effort to understand the meaning of the Sanskrit. The translations which have made are not correct. A Sanskrit word have many meanings they have took only one meaning and misinterpreted the Rama's divine character. Jai Siya Ram🙏
@@సత్యమేవ_జయతే The level of mental gymnastics you have to do to claim this is ludicrous. No, there are not alternate translations for the Sanskrit text. The words used are common and documented. Not only this, but the Sanskrit text describes in detail how the animal was slaughtered, how it was cooked (until no blood remains), and how it was portioned for the Yagna.
This is one of thousands of verses, all of which are consistent. If you think 2:56:22-28 has an “alternative meaning” other than what it clearly describes I challenge you to explain the alternate meaning and provide evidence for it. You only claim the problematic verses with meat in it are “translated wrong” because theh go against your narrative while you fully accept the rest of the Valmiki Ramayan. You can’t pick and choose, this is dishonest.
Do you think Lord Ram ate paneer butter masala and chole bhatura in the jungle?
@@KishoreG2396 first have you watched this video. Know the difference between meat and flesh
Very well explained.
My great grand mother referred fruit pulp as mamsa. This video took me back to those days.
Jai Sri Ram 🙏🙏
@CoffeeTimeKannadaVlogs
"Very well explained. My great grand mother [...] video took me back to those days. Jai Sri Ram"
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It looks like your (presumably Hindu religious) great grandmother was making misleading statements... just like my Hindu religious grandmother.
🙏lord rama is father and mother to all leaving beings, as swani said how can we humiliate our beloved father,kindly do not misinterpret It will be a serious 'abacharam'.
Why upper caste peoples will say all there worship god are vegetarian, rama is kshatriya not Brahmin like lord prashuram
why discussion about meat eating by Rama. KIng can eat anything he wants. Why you worry so much.
@MrDvramanar
“why discussion about […] Why you worry so much.”
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I agree with the point that I think that you are making.
The discussion happens because meat-eating is against the political agenda of holier-than-thou saffron sanghtards.
They do not have the honesty to admit that their gods and their heroes eat and/or ate meat.
Explain in hindi also
Eat only Ven Pongal and Ghee Roast in Arya Bhavan I am also ❤❤❤❤❤❤😂😂😂😂😂
@RADHAKRISHNAN-nx2df
“Eat only Ven Pongal [...] Arya Bhavan I am also 😂😂😂”
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Yes... that too without onion, without garlic. 😆😆
Sanskrit is doubtful source, in Sanskrit one has to choose out of more than 100 languages( Sanskrit 1, Sanskrit 2,--------- Sanskrit 100) which is reliable.
Sanskrit is not one language , it has more than 100 scripts(lipis example
brāhmī
kharoṣṭī
puṣkarasāriṃ
aṅga-lipiṃ
vaṅga-lipiṃ
magadha-lipiṃ) and each script has different set of words.
Because of this
Ravana was hero in one region, Sri Ram in other regions (in Tamil Nadu, Rajasthan and in some areas of North india still you will find temples of ravana )
People still fight about the superiority of gods shivji, vishnuji,Brahma ji and king of god's Indra. In the past they fought wars on this issue.
Recently in 19 century scripts of Sanskrit was standardised as devangiri.
Brahmi sanskriti vanished, so original books and concept vanished.
You will not find word hindu and temple in any ancient book.
In Greek and Baltic mythology you find Stories similar to ramayana and mahabharat. That is the reason Arya samaj says Geeta, ramayana is half true half wrong.
Brahma samaj completely rejected Vedas.
50 % of Sanskrit words are from other regions like Syria,Greek and Baltic region.
So I ask you one question,
Sanskrit means language or Sanskrit is name of language.
Andh bakht is like a fool, who after the death of of wife(brahmi script) catches a passing women(devangiri).
In Hindu books one group abuses the other group,it means the books are manipulated actual things are changed and purposely opponent is shown as vulgar and wrong.
In bhagwat Geeta shivji is shown as very vulgar and dirty.
In linga purana Krishna is insulted.
So it is the culture in Hindus to manipulate real things by creating dummy stories.
Now a days some publication sponsored by RSS and iskcon are manipulating books to show everything is perfect and good in their books.
Reality can't be hidden many scholars and libraries have original books.
If any proof is given they say Britishers and Mughals are responsible,
It is the official Brahmins who did all this nonsense to plz kings and noble to get money and gifts
Then what hindu scholars were doing sleeping like lazy donkeys.
Ram definitely huted and ate meat.
Leaving all conflicts apart, if you come to Kalighat, you will get Goat meat as mool prasad and Fish in Tarapith.. So be wise enough to accept the vastness along with diversity..
porompora ar shastro ek noy dada 😀
lord Rama is Kshrtiya not Brahmin why people are accepting him not to eat meat.
Even Brahman eats meat...it depends on geographical location of there ancestors not caste.
Now I am going to KFC to get some fruit pulp (mamsa)
Wokes trying to prove point that Ram was meat eater.
Carry on its the only way satisfaction for you guys till jan 22😂
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But he actually ate meat.
It is mentioned in valmiki ramayana in almost 7 translations all cant be biased.
All ancient indians consumed meat it is a well known fact.
@@shreyasnadagouda4619
"Wokes trying to prove [...] only way satisfaction for you guys till jan 22"
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Yes....
on 04 Jun 2024, we all saw the outcome of how the right-minded people of Faizabad (which includes Ayodhya) reacted to the events of 22 Jan 2024.
🤣🤣
So, you interpreted the verses correctly, and others did not. That is so funny. If Shri Rama never ate, then why even mention the word "meat" in any of the verses. Please stop making false claims.
You mean a myth inside a myth? Ramayana is a myth
It's India's history. Ramayana is no myth. It's the language of the missionaries.
Myth is earth is flat , Sun revolves around earth , earth is 6k year old. And other Abrahamic shits 😂😂😂
What is even the big deal if Shri Rama ate meat? You're telling me someone lived in vana-vaasa and survived only on roots, shoots, and leaves for 14 years. Get a life!
Outstanding explanation 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Absolutely, Bhagwan Sri Rama ate meat. You are using Buddha arguments for morality. What about Ashwamedh yajna then?
Bro have you hear about Max Muller , he translated the Vedas so vulgarly , he even wrote a letter to his wife talkin about this
@@abhay86647 Stop this. Bhagwan Sri Rama was a warrior and warrior ate meat, sacrificed animals and distributed the animal flesh as Prasad.
Hindu mind and culture has been influenced so much by Jaina and Buddhist ideals that they hate their own ancestors.
Do you know anything about Rishis and them going to war with Kings against other Kings and their propensity of sacrificing animals.
Indian mind and culture was destroyed under chand Asoka when he pushed Buddhism onto Hindus, he destroyed India then and there and made India susceptible to Invasions. Did you know the buddhist idea of purity is so harmful that entire caste or tribes were pushed into status of lesser castes because they didn't stop eating meat.
Leather got outlawed, the repercussions of which were felt when Indian went to war against muslims invaders. Leather is so important for Horse riding, it changed tactics for war. There is a reason India has been in a decline since Asoka that is more than 2000 years. This is same time period where the west saw its rise and today everything that we use has been western technology.
Do you know what is the natural and most easily available source of B12. Just read what does deficiency of b12 does to human. There is a reason Indian are the shortest people in the world. The evidence is staring you in the face and slapping you yet you are in denial.
@@abhay86647
"Bro have you hear about Max Muller [...] wife talkin about this"
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Bro,
Have YOU personally read the ACTUAL vedas?
Have YOU personally read the ACTUAL works of Max Müller?
Ramayan 3.47.22 me kya likha h
The verse you mentioned, 3.47.22, is one such verse. Here is the translation of that verse:
"Rest here awhile. My husband will return with plenty of meat of many kinds from the forest, killing deer, alligators, and wild boars."
It's important to note that while this verse does mention the consumption of meat, it is a dialogue spoken by Sita in a specific context, and it does not imply that Lord Rama regularly consumed meat. In the larger narrative of the Ramayana, Lord Rama is consistently portrayed as a righteous and compassionate individual who follows a vegetarian lifestyle.
@@Anonymous1000p0 Here are some of the verses from the Vālmiki Rāmāyaṇa. The translations are from Vālmiki Rāmāyaṇa of Desiraju Hanumanta Rao & K. M. K. Murthy. You can also check out alternative translation at Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidyapeetha’s Vālmiki Rāmāyaṇa Translation project, which is based on six different commentaries.
Verses implying that Rama ate meat:
Ayodhya Kanda 2-52-102
तौ तत्र हत्वा चतुरः महा मृगान् |
वराहम् ऋश्यम् पृषतम् महा रुरुम् |
आदाय मेध्यम् त्वरितम् बुभुक्षितौ|
वासाय काले ययतुर् वनः पतिम् || २-५२-१०२
Having hunted there four deer, namely Varaaha, Rishya, Prisata; and Mahaaruru (the four principal species of deer) and taking quickly the portions that were pure, being hungry as they were, Rama and Lakshmana reached a tree to take rest in the evening.
Alternative translation: Being famished, Rama, Lakshmana hunted and killed a boar, a Rishya animal (a white footed male antelope), a spotted deer and a great deer with black stripes and quickly partaking the pure meat reached a tree by the evening to spend the night.
Ayodhya Kanda 2-55-32/33
क्रोशमात्रम् ततो गत्वा भ्रातरौ रामलक्ष्मनौ || २-५५-३३
बहून्मेध्यान् मृगान् हत्वा चेरतुर्यमुनावने |
Thereafter having travelled only a couple of miles the two brothers Rama and Lakshmana killed many consecrated deer and ate in the river-forest of Yamuna.
Alternative translation: After travelling a distance of two miles further in the forest on the bank of Yamuna, those two brothers slew deers worthy for sacrifice for food and ate them.
Ayodhya Kanda 2-96-1/2
तां तथा दर्शयित्वा तु मैथिलीं गिरिनिम्नगाम् |
निषसाद गिरिप्रस्थे सीतां मांसेन चन्दयन् || २-९६-१
इदं मेध्यमिदं स्वादु निष्टप्तमिदमग्निना |
एवमास्ते स धर्मात्मा सीतया सह राघवः || २-९६-२
Having shown Mandakini River in that manner to Seetha, the daughter of Mithila, Rama set on the hill-side in order to gratify her appetite with a piece of flesh. Rama, whose mind was devoted to righteousness stayed there with Seetha, saying; “This meat is fresh, this is savoury and roasted in the fire.”
Alternative translation: Having shown to Sita the mountain-river Mandakini and gratifying her with meat, Rama sat on the mountain slope. Righteous Rama was seated in Sita’s company and remarked saying “This meat is sacred. This is savoury roasted in fire”.
Aranya Kanda 3-44-27
निहत्य पृषतम् च अन्यम् मांसम् आदाय राघवः |
त्वरमाणो जनस्थानम् ससार अभिमुखः तदा || ३-४४-२७
Raghava then on killing another spotted deer and on taking its flesh, he hurried himself towards Janasthaana.
Alternative translation: Then Rama killed another deer, got the meat and quickly departed to Janasthana.
Aranya Kanda 3-47-23
समाश्वस मुहूर्तम् तु शक्यम् वस्तुम् इह त्वया || ३-४७-२२
आगमिष्यति मे भर्ता वन्यम् आदाय पुष्कलम् |
रुरून् गोधान् वराहान् च हत्वा आदाय अमिषान् बहु || ३-४७-२३
[Sita to Ravana] “Be comfortable for a moment, here it is possible for you to make a sojourn, and soon my husband will be coming on taking plentiful forest produce, and on killing stags, mongooses, wild boars he fetches meat, aplenty.
Alternative translation: “Take rest for a while staying here. It is hoped that my husband will come and be getting from the forest plenty of meat of many kinds on killing deer, alligators and hogs.”
Aranya Kanda 3-73-13/17
न उद्विजन्ते नरान् दृष्ट्वा वधस्य अकोविदाः शुभाः || ३-७३-१३
घृत पिण्ड उपमान् स्थूलान् तान् द्विजान् भक्षयिष्यथः |
रोहितान् वक्र तुण्डान् च नल मीनान् च राघव || ३-७३-१४
पंपायाम् इषुभिः मत्स्यान् तत्र राम वरान् हतान् |
निस्त्वक्पक्षानयसतप्तानकृशान्नैककण्टकान् - यद्वा -
निः त्वक् पक्षान् अयस तप्तान् अकृशान् न अनेक कण्टकान् || ३-७३-१५
तव भक्त्या समायुक्तो लक्ष्मणः संप्रदास्यति |
भृशम् तान् खादतो मत्स्यान् पंपायाः पुष्प संचये || ३-७३-१६
पद्म गन्धि शिवम् वारि सुख शीतम् अनामयम् |
उद्धृत्य स तदा अक्लिष्टम् रूप्य स्फटिक सन्निभम् || ३-७३-१७
अथ पुष्कर पर्णेन लक्ष्मणः पाययिष्यति |
[Kabandha to Rama] “Thereabout birds will be unflustered on seeing humans, because they are artless to avoid hunting, because none kills them, and you may savour them because those birds will be best and burley, similar to ghee-gobs. “Oh, Rama in that Pampa Lake there are best fishes, red-carps, and blunt-snouted small porpoises, and a sort of sprats, which are neither scraggy, nor with many fish-bones. Lakshmana will reverentially offer them to you on skewering them with arrow, and on broiling them on iron rod of arrow after descaling and de-finning them. While you eat those fishes to satiety, Lakshmana will offer you the water of Pampa Lake, which will be in the bunches of flowers of that lake, and which will be lotus-scented, pellucid, comfortably cool, shiny like silver and crystal, uncontaminated and that way pristine, by lifting it up that water with lotus leaf, making that leaf a stoup-like basin… [3-73-16b, 17, 18a]
Alternative translation: “Not knowing what it is to be killed on those auspicious birds will not be scared of human beings. You both can kill those birds and eat those fat birds that are comparable to balls of butter-fat. Rama! There in the Pampa Lakshmana, by charging an arrow at the best of fish with a single bone, prawns and big fish crooked bodied fish, removing their skin and wings, piercing through skewers made of iron, cook and offer them with devotion. While you are delightedly eating fish Lakshmana can fetch you water in a lotus leaf from the Pampa tank. The waters of Pampa has a scent of lotuses being full of lotus, It is enjoyable, cool, healthy and crystal clearlike silver.”
In Sanatan Dharma, if meat must be consumed it must be done if no other alternatives exist in order to survive. However, it doesn't mean that it allows the free consumption of daily meat eating and killing as well. A just and balanced approach must be adopted. That's the tragedy of today's world nowadays. People are not properly trained in the subtleties of these fine realization of these sages. Killing of an animal is not a fun matter for we are depriving it of its life, and this must not be a normal occurrence, particularly in times of great harvest and bountiful of alternate food availability.
@@zuckthebetacuck2789 ok Shankaracharya ji
@@SouravPlaysOff Also remember that sarcasm returns back to the utterer for it is useless to cast pearls before swines.
This video is misleading and the person who made this is a fraud
The comments, video and people here exactly depict why our country is going wrong. We are least bothered about rama's righteousness , his staunch belief of dharma. But we want to know what Rama ate.
My question to you all is say Rama ate non veg. Will he stop being Rama to you? Why are you stuck in this ruckus.? How does it matter what he ate? Why are we ignoring the rest of Rama and debating on this topic endlessly
For me Rama is Rama.
In telugu theres a proverb - రామాయణం లో పిడకలవేట.. what you ppl are doing is the same
. Instaed of grasping essence of Ramayana and rama, you are stuck in this rut. pity you ppl
Surprisingly the only person or TV series to ever get it right that *Sri Rama being Vishnu Avatara only accepted 'Naivedya' that too with Tulsi Leaves as aahaara (food)* was Sanjay Khan's Jai Hanuman. A Muslim got it right ! And here Hindus are salivating for meat wrongly citing Sri Rama ate meat......
ഏതൊരാളുടെ അറിവും സമ്പൂർണ്ണമല്ല. ഒരു ഭാഷയിലെ പ്രമേയം ഇംഗ്ലീഷിൽ എഴുതിയാൽ അത് നൂറ് ശതമാനവും യഥാർത്ഥ ആശയം പ്രകടമാകില്ല. സനാതന ധർമ്മത്തിലെ വേദങ്ങളും പുരാണങ്ങളും ഉപനിഷത്തുകളും ഇംഗ്ലീഷ് ഭാഷയിൽ വിവർത്തനം ചെയ്യപ്പെട്ടിട്ടുണ്ട്. അത് ഇന്ത്യൻ ഭാഷയിൽ വ്യക്തമാക്കുന്നതു പോലെ ആശയം വ്യക്തമാക്കാൻ കഴിഞ്ഞിട്ടില്ല. എന്തിന് പല സംസ്കൃത വാക്കിന്റെ അർത്ഥം പോലും വിഖലമായാണ് കൊടുത്തിട്ടുള്ളത്. "മഹാ മദ് " എന്ന വാക്കിനെ മുഹമ്മദ് ആയി ചിത്രീകരിച്ചു. അത് ഒരു കൂട്ടർക്ക് മുഹമ്മദിനെ പറ്റി വേദങ്ങളിൽ വേദങ്ങളിലും ഉണ്ട് എന്ന് വാദിക്കാൻ അവസരം ഉണ്ടാക്കി. മഹാ മദും മുഹമ്മദും കടലും കടലാടിയും തമ്മിൽ ഉള്ള വ്യത്യാസം ആണ് ഉള്ളത്. കൂടുതൽ എഴുതാൻ ഇടമില്ല. എന്തിന് ശ്രീരാൻറെ കേസുകെട്ട് എടുക്കുന്നു? മനുഷ്യ മാംസം കഴിക്കുന്ന ഈ കാലഘട്ടത്തിൽ പോലും കോടിക്കണക്കിന് സസ്യാഹാരം കഴിക്കുന്നവരുണ്ട് ഞാനുൾപ്പെടെ. FACTS VS MYTHS, SANATANA DHARMA UNLIMITED എന്ന ശ്രീ സുദർശൻ ചക്രവർത്തിയുടെ വീഡിയോ കാണുക. വാല്മീകി രാമായണത്തിൽ ശ്രീരാമൻ മാംസം ഭക്ഷിച്ചതായി സം.ശയിക്കുന്ന ശ്ലോകത്തിന്റെ അർത്ഥം, സാഹചര്യം വ്യക്തമായി വിശദീകരിക്കുന്നുണ്ട്. കേൾക്കുക ചിന്തിക്കുക. ജ്ഞാനഥ്തിന് ഒരു സ്റ്റാർട്ടിംഗ് പോയിന്റോ ഫിനിഷിംഗ് പോയിന്റും ഇല്ല. അനന്തമാണ് ജ്ഞാനം. നമ്മുടെ ആയുസ്സ് ആണെങ്കിൽ കൂടി വന്നാൽ നൂറ് വർഷവും. പക്ഷേ നമ്മൾ ചർച്ച ചെയ്യുന്നത്, കോടിക്കണക്കിന്, ലക്ഷക്കണക്കിന്, ആയിരക്കണക്കിന് വർഷങ്ങൾക്ക് മുമ്പുള്ള സംഭവ വികാസങ്ങളെ പറ്റി ആധികാരികമായി,,ൾ അവസാന വാക്ക് എന്ന നിലയിലും.
Even Dushyant Sridhar so called prominent Sri Vaishnava preacher is falsely claiming that Lord Rama ate meat. Such disgrace and misguidance he is doing in the name of preaching.
He says this to commercial news channels also and thus wide variety of audience gets misguided
@@maheshvarma391 How is it Dharma that you allow meat eaters to feel happy to remain as meat eaters because even "Lord Rama ate meat". Let's say even if Lord Rama did, he could eat the entire universe also. Can we imitate that? Meat eating in Lord Rama's time was never like these days with millions animals killed every minute in slaughter houses. This is mass cruelty and one has to pay a heavy karma and Dushyant is contributing to this mass ignorance.
@@ayiruskan8016 I am not justifying anything. I said dushyant is not just preaching but also giving interviews in tamil news channels saying that rama ate eat.
@@maheshvarma391 Sorry bro I'm not saying that to you. I mean he is doing something very adharmic. This will have consequences, I hope he changes it does not do justice at all to his Guru Parampara.
What's wrong in Kshatriya eating meat as even as per Shastra one is allowed to eat .Even in Ramayana there is a clear verse that even Rishi Agastya a Brahmin ate the meat ball to eliminate vatapi .So what's wrong in eating meat. Chatrapathi Shivaji,Maharana Pratap and may others ate meat does it mean if we eat Meat we are no sanatanis. Sages like swami vivekanand who we rever a lot consumed fish If any shastra says that meat eating people are not sanatana Dharmis even though we love the Lord Krishna then I will never call myself Sanatani .
Dear sanatani's, well there is big confusion about the consumption of meat by lord ram or not, however, vedas clearly indicate that hindus used to consume meat, my observation is that if Lord ram was god, why he on the first place needed to consume food, does God need food to eat? And second quick question when lord ram died? And how!!!! Please quote from authentic sources, so that i can counter check....
Bro... concept of God completely differs comparison of Islam and Hindu...
Gods are seen as fellow humans in Hinduism and not a god who is not born or dead...
And there are multiple meanings for mamsa in sanskrit... sometimes mamsa refers to fruit pulp too...
@@prahaladadharsh9766 bro, can God be human? But as per your vedas God is formless, shapeless, please check your vedas.... Your Pandits or priests a creating confusion among hindus, see, vedas are ultimate religious scriptures among hindus, atleast you can check by yourself.... There are 33 crore hindu deities, it again goes against vedas, God is one, unique, formless, shapeless, ultimate, beyond the comprehension of human mind..... Please read your vedas properly....
Lord shiva is God, Lord krishana is God, Brahmana is God, these are three primary God's among hindus...
However my question was about the consumption of cow meat, As per the collection of Swami Vivekananda volume 3 , page number 536,during the vedic period cow was used as a meal, please check by yourself.... Read the book by yourself, during the vedic period, yagni was taking place and cow was sacrificed, please read the book " Myth of holy cow", As per sunita kumar chatterjee " Cultural heritage of india is the name of book, she quoted from vedas that cow meat was allowed in vedic period, page number 237....
Bro, I can give you number of reference, I simply wish to find why hindus treat cow as holy Mother, what is logic behind it, how can a cow be mother of human's..... Cow is just an animal, we are Homosapiens, we humans are much advanced in thinking, reasoning, logic, rationality, and what pushes you people believe that animal is superior than human race.... Bro, please quote from authentic ( vedas / Upanshides) , I also a small request that you will get vedas from the market and read by yourself....
@@saleemhamid3519 😂😂bro...u are quoting Vedas as like u have read it fully 😂...
First of all no where in Vedas or scriptures mentioned god is formless shapeless etc etc..
And yes..gods can be in human shape ...but i won't enter into that argument..it's seperate one .
Let's talk about meat eating..
Nowhere in Vedas or scriptures it is written that eating meat is prohibited...
Like for example in Quran it's mentioned as eating pork is prohibited and sin..
But can u show me any rpoofs that eating meat is prohibited is written in scriptures!?..
And secondly yess..there were yajna practiced by sacrificing horse or goat...
Till now many Hindus do practice the bali...
Pashu Bali can be interpreted as either fruit or animal..
U can give fruit as bali...
U can give animal as bali..
Both are being practiced...
Because in Hinduism there are 2 ways to attain moksha .
One is by following satvic way..no harm and no violence..good karma good dharma way...being vegitarian, being fruit Bali evrything comes in this way .
There is second way called tantric ..
In this bali used to perform.. eating non veg etc efc..
It's all personal choice of people to follow whichever way they want .
Scriptures never banned or prohibited anything for a human .
He can do anything he want..
His karma will take care of evrything..
Good karma leads to good life..
Tis is the main core of Hinduism..
Karma and dharma
@@saleemhamid3519 and about "how cow can be a holy animal"...
We Hindus consider cow as holy animal..and mother because it is the only animal which provides for us .
It gives milk..it helps in agriculture..
These 2 were the only occupation before 2000 years...
There were no doctors engineers etc in early stages of human..
Agriculture was the only occupation..
And agriculture is impossible without cow..
We worship cow because it provides for us..
Without cow humans cannot survive...
Thts why we praise and worship cow..
Please understand the logic before commenting...
If I started to quote Qur'an verses then u can't even argue with me..
Let's not get into hatred argument...
And don't form your opinions on another religion without even knowing anything bro. It will land u in trouble...thank h
@@prahaladadharsh9766 please put me in the trouble, quote verses from the holy quran , incase you have read holy quran because of course you do not know the Arabic language...
As per your logic, 2000years ago, we used to have agricultural Society and thus we used cow and eventually it became holy, so there is no religious validation which makes cow, an holy animal as per your understanding
Why Goa and northeast states consume cow? Why lower caste hindus and Dravadian's consume meat....
Let me give you a shock, bro you have been programmed in a way where you simple believe...
One of the absurd argument on the face of this earth is that God takes human form... So bro, please do more research...
Now, coming back to islam.... The word islam means ( peace)
We believe in Prophethood
Since the creation of this earth, more than 1 lac prophets being send to every nation, the last and final prophet is prophet Mohammed peace be upon him, you see, many non believers or nonMuslims think that prophet Muhammed ( peace be upon him) belongs to Muslims, hell no, he is prophet of everyone, it is clearly mentioned in the holy quran
Bro... Islam is not 1400 years old religion, this is again misconception among non Muslims, the first prophetic is prophet Adam ( peace be upon him and his wife Eve peace be upon him)
Allah means universal God, who created you and me and everything that is there in the universe...
Allah is noor( light) , so our creator is one, we came from him and we will return back to him....
Bro, now regarding cow and many God's in Hinduism, I didn't get any convincing answer from you....
But, if you have any question or list of questions about islam Or about your own prophet Muhammad ( peace be upon him) go ahead and u are most welcome..... Waiting eagerly....
Grateful to you Guruji🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻... May god bless you
@terrance362
“Grateful to you [...] god bless you”
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LOL.
This apologist TamBrahm (Tamil Brahmin) Thenkalai Iyengar Sudarsan Chakravarthy should discuss this topic with his fellow-Tam-Brahm (Tamil Brahmin) Sri Vaishnava scholar, *Mr. Dushyanth Sridhar* (of the Vadakalai Iyengar sect).
*Mr. Dushyanth Sridhar is much more HONEST about this topic,* UNLIKE this *charlatan Sudarsan Chakravarthy.*
@@ex.hindu.now.atheist The fact that you bring caste into this shows how you've been raised. So I don't need any lectures fron you.
@@Narendra00000
"The fact that you [...] need any lectures fron you."
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You dislike the fact that the SERIOUS PROBLEMS of your belief-system are being pointed out, don't you, my dear TAN TANAATANIST?
This THENKALAI IYENGAR Sudarsan Chakravarthy-whom you seem to laud and admire-is himself proudly displaying the markers of his caste (i.e., SO-CALLED Varna), to begin with.
@@Narendra00000
"The fact that you [...] any lectures fron you."
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Caste (i.e. SO-CALLED Varna system) is an integral part of Hinduism (i.e. SO-CALLED Sanatana Dharmism), no matter how much you try to be disingenuous about it.
Even this Sudarsan Chakravarthy is openly displaying his caste identity.
You just do not have it in you to face FACT-BASED criticism of your mumbo-jumbo belief-system.
Why this non sense make up 😂😂😂?? It's quite clear they are all non veg eaters.
Don't dare to disfame Lord sri ram you will go to hell
@ravindraravindra9809
"Don't dare to disfame Lord sri ram you will go to hell"
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LMAO. You are nothing but a burnol-needing TAN-TANAATANI who is unable to come to terms with the fact that your own holy book contradicts your beliefs.
@ravindraravindra9809
"Don't dare to disfame Lord sri ram you will go to hell"
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LMAO.
Jai ho beef eater god 🙏🙏🙏👃👃
Usually when one consumes meat they get angry, very impatient and find fault with others. Lord Ram didn't have any of the characteristics he was the opposite patient, kind hearted and righteous in virtue and at heart and spiritual. So conclusion is Lord Ram was a sathvic person who ate sathvic diet. To other religious ppl who have commented here and orther ppl who interpret meanings orherwise and misunderstand interpretation of the great Vedas or the Epic Ramayana better luck nxt time to defame an Epic and Lord Ram.
Or that Ram was a sattvic person whose temperament would not be affected by the meat that he did eat.
@travel-watchworld.
"Usually when one consumes meat [...] an Epic and Lord Ram."
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*Your very premise* that "Usually when one consumes meat they get angry, very impatient and find fault with others." *is WRONG.*
Bullshit..
Mamsa means "me, I ,mine" mam shabd ka roop hai
এই জন্যই ভবি ভাদুড়ী বাবু আপনি এতটা কেনো প্রিয় বাঙালী দের কাছে। 😅। আপনার সংস্কৃত ট্রান্সলেশন ভুল ভাল ইন্টার প্রেটেশন ছাড়া কিছুই না।
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Bhaduri sir is right. Ram used to eat meat.