The Most Important Machine In Our Workshop - Mazak 18 X 60 Lathe
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Story of my Favorite Lathe - Mazak 18 X 60. How old the machine is and how we got it really cheap long time ago. We go through the story and operation of the machine and tell some of the best projects that we have machined with the lathe with my dad Timo.
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Keep putting out the videos! You guys always manage to find interesting things to cover.. and oh yea.. blowing stuff up is great too! Take care!
Who is Hanna and where is Annie?
Hey, where'd the carbon fiber tube implosion video go?
After 38 years in the workshop I'd say that however much Timo paid for the lathe, he's certainly gotten his money's worth out of it!
Word-for-word translation of the conversation with Timo.
Things that are not said in Finnish, just implied, but English needs are inside [box brackets].
15:35 Lauri: Does it say what year it is?
15:37 Timo: Yeah, this is one nine seventy-nine.
15:56 Timo: It is this, this model.
16:00 Timo: These are inches, these sizes.
16:07 Timo: It was the [Autonen's/Aaltonen's]* Konepaja** from Lempäälä, from a bankrupcy auction.
16:13 Lauri: What year was it then?
16:17 Timo: Perhaps some eighty-five.
16:20 Lauri: Ok, how about -about what is in your mind the immemorial or the most special job that was made on that [the Mazak].
16:30 Timo: It has been used to make all kinds [of things], plenty -plenty of all kinds [of things].
16:33 Lauri: I told mine and Kippos one of the {Timo also saying as one} pipe-thing.
16:37 Timo: So with it, has been done for Särkänniemi amusement park pig-train wheels, and for ev.-lut. (Evangelical Lutheran) churches crematiorium, crematorium [oven] wheels.
16:59 Lauri: I think that's a good pair. [:D] And they were even around the same time.
16:51 Timo: They came- I was printing invoices at that time from the financial management program. I printed two invoices in a row, I didn't exactly know what they were, and I looked at the two printed out invoices. The other one was pig-train-wheels, and the other crematorium-wheels.
17:05 Lauri: How many percent of everything made here, some of it has been made with Mazak?
17:11 Timo: Half.
17:12 Lauri: Yea.
17:13 Timo: During the whole history [of this place], even if here are big machines, probably half are made [with Mazak]. So very much.
17:21 Timo: It has served well. Once I changed new bearings into the spindle-box, and transmission bearings I changed all into new.
17:27 Lauri: I remember to having once changing the oil into it.
17:31 Timo: Yes. There it [the maintenance history] was then.
17:33 Lauri: And the digitals were changed sometime. Or was it just the display that was changed?
17:36 Timo: No, it received all new.
17:38 Lauri: All new.
17:39 Timo: It didn't have digitals [before].
17:41 Lauri: But the screen has been- it had a different screen before. I have used two different screens on it.
17:45 Timo: It may be that there was that some- the Sonys bigger screen.
17:49 Lauri: Yes.
17:52 Timo: Sonys Magnescale.
17:53 Lauri: [But it] has gone on the cheap and [done] a lot.
17:54 Timo: It has been. A lot has gone [through it].
*hard to differenciate between Autonen and Aaltonen, can be heard either way
**Autonen's/Aaltonen's machine works/shop
I have no way to verify if this is even half accurate, but I'll thank you regardless!
Hard to follow the implied context throughout, but only the people involved know which words are about what .
@@johndododoe1411 It is borderline for even me. The implied context is the topic of the video (talking about the old Mazak, and its history).
Also this is not a proper translation, this was closer to a transcription, I didn't modify the 'script' of the conversation.
I could have added the implied parts (that I understood), but it would have been longer than the non-implied parts.
I did this because the subs that were in the video left out some bits that would've been nice-to-knows.
That has to be read with the video, and the on-screen subs also add some info that was not said in the 'interview'.
@@tube71000 Timo spoke so fast, but I'm sure I caught ydeksan at the end of the year, so it would be 1979.
@@cambridgemart2075 Weird, I also remembered that as 79, but somehow wrote one. Thanks!
I've been an HPC sub since the old days & seen this lathe in MANY videos. It's good to see Timo too😊
Yeah, Timo seems like such a nice guy. Down to earth and friendly.
He seems to be my kind of person. I'm sure he can get annoyed and vocal (not loud), but not without reason. Maybe not "easy to work with" at all times (his intuition is not intuitive to everyone), but always reasonable.
If there were to be problems with him in a business setting, I would expect it to be due to Timo not having the time to explain things properly, with communication going into a knot due to time constraints:
"Do what I told you to do"
"Why"
"Just do it"
"Why not like this?"
"Do it like I told you to!"
The Mazak hasn't been so clean in years. Prrritti Guud Kleeeen.
Still bit dirtyer than on the picture on the manual :D
@@Beyondthepress At least the MANUAL was pretty clean. 😂 I've seen many tool manuals over the decades with greasy/dirty fingerprints all over them.
The Japanese made really high quality optics and cameras starting in the 50s. I have some 10x50 binoculars I inherited from my grandfather that he carried 30 years as a field biologist, still the clearest image I’ve ever seen. Made in 1955 in Japan.
True. I have just about one of every Nikon camera bodies and lenses made. They are perfect as can be. I have had Minolta, Canon and so on. Nikon is the best.
I've heard of some Toyota/Lexus automobiles that have over a million miles on their engines.
@@donniev8181 True, plus the old Volvo engines from the 240 series could run forever. Perhaps an exception, but there was a guy named Irv Gordon who put 3.2 million miles on his Volvo P1800, the equivalent of seven trips to the moon and back. My 242 Turbo with intercooler just never wanted to give it up. It was a 1984 model, but in 1999 somebody stole it. The only work to the engine was a little plate near the timing chain gave it up. Good maintenance is key.
Let me show you its Safety Feature..........which after 40 years is broken. But it was a great feature back in the day. 🤣
that was hilarious :D
@@Beyondthepress Safety THIRD.
@@WoodworkerDonWife first, profits second, safety third
Came for the press, stayed for the machining, thank you for explaining the intricacies of your job Lauri 😊
I really like hearing your stories about these machines and the memorable jobs on them. It's always fantastic to hear from Timo too! I'm sure it's extra work to add the subtitles, so thank you for taking the time to share these valuable Finnish stories for us non-Finnish folks!
I am not a machinist, I’ve never touched a lathe.
Still, I am a geek for all kinds of technology, and the tool that makes tools (the lathe) fascinates me.
Yes please, more videos like this. And please have Timo in more videos.
I love lathes! I've been turning metal for 10 years this August. My favorite lathe is a 1994 Bridgeport-Romi EZ Path lathe. Your videos are great and I want to see more of your machines!!
Those ez paths are great. Run one often
hehehe "Children shouldn't use lathe... but Timo don't care"
I am a big believer that schools should not only offer academic excellence, but also excellence in skills such as woodworking, metalworking, art and music. Although I pursued my further education in science at university, I am so thankful for the practical skills that I learned at school. I really enjoyed watching this video as I have the greatest admiration for people who can actually make things.
I am a schoolteacher and I agree. Here in the U.S. we have almost completely removed the parts of education that allow students to connect academic learning with practical applications. We are graduating students who know a lot, but for the most part cannot actually do anything outside of their specialty
This is what the Waldorfschool is doing, teaching also art, music, woodworking and some old professions.
"Kids shouldn't use lathe"
I remember I was taught to use lathe when I was around 11-13 years old at school in Russia in the early 90s. We had lessons of "Labour", in which we learned to do various things and starting from grade 5 (around 11 y.o.) they were taught in a workshop class with a few industrial machines like bench drills and lathes.
I think the best I could do with a lathe was a chess pawn.
Love Mazak machines, we have a couple at work, and they are amazingly reliable.
12:55 The drill press thing we call Tailstock in England. It might even say it on the red sticker LOL.....
well it's kärkipylkkä in finnish so calling it a drill press was still probably better option than using the finnish name :D
@@Beyondthepress My machining teacher (who was probably 80 years old back in '10s) called it a "perstuki" (asssupport). Though he was kinda forward looking, as he told us to not call it that, but "takatukki" as a transliteration of "tailstock", and to always learn the name of things in English also, as according to him Finnish manuals and Finnish-named replacement parts can be quite rare.
Even in a machine shop mostly consisting of CNC machines there still is no good replacement for a sturdy manual lathe. It's just simply much faster for some jobs. Ours isn't any fancy japanese one though, ours is a huge lump of cast iron from soviet union
Thanks for more machine/machining content. Any chance you are going to rebuild the mazak? Could make a nice series
One of the best features of this lathe is the foot brake. You can stop the spindle in less than one rev. Cheers
Pretty good video. Lisää tällästä, vaikkei saiskaan kovia katsojalukuja.
Hi. You need to check the level and align the gearbox to the ways . I hade the same problem whit my old lathe from 1972, and I made the lathe usual again . I have a similar story. I am born in 1988. I am playing on my dad lathe from like 2000.
I could listen to you talk about your work for hours, thanks for the insight.
I used to work in a machine shop and I miss it 👍👍 Very satisfying occupation most of the time
I know that this isn’t an explosives video, but I was wondering whether it would be possible to create a shaped charge with thermite instead of something like copper so it would be much hotter and therefore more destructive. Maybe a magnesium fuse fired the detonator a tenth of a second after it touches the thermite.
My role at work is almost completely on the CNC side. I use a drill press and a bandsaw like once a year. But when I get a chance, I wander around to the back and watch the old guys do their thing on those big green monsters from the 60s when the shop opened.
Stories and review of machines you've used makes for some pretty cool video, thank you! For the next machine, what's your 2nd favorite? ...For your merch, I think it would also be fun to have shorts that also say "T-Shirt 5000000".
Very interesting. I never personally worked with a lathe. Very informational video. Glad a learned something new. 😮
I have a Lang 16x90 , Its older then I am and runs as tight as it did when it came off the factory floor.. To replace it would cost around $80K unless I wanted to go Chinese ...
"Hey kids" you know, these wheels will send you do your grave. ENJOY THE RIDE!"
Passengers: (confused and terrified).
Yes, please do a threadcutting video
Great video! Just ordered my first HPC shirt, thanks for switching to Bunker Branding.
It's such a beautiful machine 😍❤️
Mukava nähdä ja kuulla että missä käytössä tuo vanha sorvi on ollu. Putkihässäkkä kuulosti hauskalta 😂 Toivottavasti kiinansorvi palvelee samat 40 vuotta
My favorite lathe(s) have been a Hendy 16 inch(406mm) that was in our trade school, and a Harrison that we have at work
Enjoyed this, awesome lathe. I am only a year older than you, but here in Australia (Asia Pacific trade region) Japanese machines of that era, inluding Mazak, are well regarded. Depending on condition some still sell used for comparable prices to new Chinese machines of the same size. A new Taiwanese lathe might be two to three times the cost of a good used Japanese machine.
All I could afford was a used Chinese machine, but I did my research and it performs very nicely. Any lathe is better than no lathe!
Your mention of heat exchangers brings back memories. I spent my career installing large-area drilling machines for the tubesheets and baffle plates parts of heat exchangers. Thousands and thousands of holes! Biggest ones had ~20,000 holes and took more than a week to drill them all. Cheers!
I ran a Poreba Russian lathe that was made in 1978. I machined eccentric shafts for rock crusher machines.
I love Timo. He’s quite funny!
Someone should make a lathe simulator game :D
I had the pleasure of machining an 80 tonne roll years ago , 6 inches of diameter per cut, 2 tonne chuck that was 8 feet in diameter, 11 days in lathe 24/7 until complete and ready for grinding. At that diameter the chuck speed was only 32 rpm 😂
Speaking of old times... What happened to Anni? I miss her on the channel.
They broke up in peace and agreement and month or two ago Anni had her last visit on the show for time being. She started her own Lapland travel channel or something.
You can find Anni at her own channel Anni Arvaja
There's definitely places that can make that lathe like new again. I don't think it costs THAT unreasonable of a price. I mean, spread that cost out 40+ years on a machine that wasn't part of planned obsolescence. You know the lathe, you like the layout, and if you're working with a tool or machine making a living and spending hours upon hours a day with it, it's my very humble opinion that you should enjoy using that machine.
@11:15 - that thing that houses the 3rd gearbox is called the saddle.
My most memorable event in the machine shop was actually in trade school. We had a student that somehow got his shirt caught in the lathe, and the machine tore that shirt off without the guy getting injured, but the look on his face was priceless. Never had to do a lot of lathe work. Mostly milling machine and surface grinders. Always take a second look when I see a Bridgeport Milling Machine for sale. Can always imagine the things I could fix or build with one.
Love the machining/workshop content
Used one like this in New Zealand for years and it looked 99% the same except that it had a large vertical spindle engagement lever with an orange knob on top to the left of the operator to control forward and reverse but it was nice clutch slip operation so you could feather the control of the spindle and slip it into reverse or back to forward gently, no clunk clunk shock start. The motor was always running even when the spindle lever was in the stop position and I can see you don't have the motor start button on the headstock. Ours must have been a step just above yours. Our Mazak had 3 vee-ways along the top of the bed.
This lathe looks just like one of the lathes my father worked with in the late 1960s when I was a little girl in Finland. He was a chief engineer on the ship but also worked ashore and I was able to stay with him when he worked overtime and was alone in the shop. He could do anything with metal, wood etc. I saw him also at the smith's workshop heating iron till it was orange and turned to whitish. Then he pounded it with a large "moukari" and formed it to what he wanted it to be. I learnt from him to work with wood and even metal but never had a chance to do the smith work. I would have liked to do metal objects, like art projects.
Just a tip, For a shaving hook I use an old paint roller, take the roller off an bend it, works great with a nice handle also 😁
Tôi cũng có 1 chiếc mazak sản xuất năm 1975, và tôi đang phải cùng cha của tôi bảo dưỡng bộ phận bơm nhớt của nó. Tất cả hoạt động rất tốt ngoại trừ bộ phận bơm nhớt thủ công
MAZAK is a colaboration between Kawasaki Heavy Industries and Yamaha.absolutely the premium tool !
Japanese low end hand tools from the '50s '60s were comparable to cheap Chinese stuff today, but the quality brands of machine tools- Yamazaki, Okuma, Ikegai, Mori Seiki machines were NEVER garbage, just under appreciated. now recognized as the best in the world...
Russian made Stankoimport lathes were awesome especially ones with the rapid feed joystick. High quality and heavy duty.
My shop bought a BRAND NEW Haas VF-10. The paint on the inside on the ends by the access windows is peeling off.🤦♂️
I’ve trained many apprentices over the years and the first thing I teach them is never ever take your hand off the chuck key except for when you put it down. When I saw Lauri do it, I thought that’s ok, this is a man that blows shit up 😁
New drinking game...every time Lauri says "like" you take a shot. You'll be faced in like lol, 2 minutes.
“Made in Japan” was cheap in price only. Their quality was always good. “Madre in China” is just cheap.
Nice lathe. I purchased a 1941 Sidney 14x32 off ebay. Original motor and it works great. Im interested in your pressure vessel. Did you make it? What grade of steel is it. I know your end caps are of stainless steel. And what about the sight glass? Is it rated? To what pressure? Sorry im commenting on the wrong video but my service provider is of low grade and this was the first video that started playing. Thanks. You guy do good work
You don't get any of our old Canadian Machines out in Europe. Too bad, damn government's fixation with failing to diversify trading partners. Not too much was exported outside of North America back when we still manufactured a lot of things.
...Except for our airplanes, the triple alliance recieved lots of those in 1914-1918.
Hello beyond the press! 👋.. Can you all test the G shock mudmaster gwg 1000? And the gprb1000 rangeman very tough g shocks! XD
Before cheap crap came from china we got our cheap crap from Taiwan. Before we got our cheap crap from Taiwan we got our cheap crap from Japan. I have examples of each. Before we got our cheap crap from Japan we made it ourselves. I live in the USA.
In the workshop I learned (finished my apprenticeship yesterday) we had one from 1949😅
Oh, yes, throughout the year you get experience. And everything becomes automatic with your body, keep on😊
Grinding and hardening of the bed is possible but its expensive. There in the whole Netherlands just one company who can do that, but have 3 years of work in stock.
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As trending about sub, can you demo in your pressurized cylinder a fiberglass tube with something inside like dead mouse or something with flesh for educational purposes
I think this was a great video. You need to stop being lazy and make a video and referb this lath!!? :-)
I like this video, but I suspect people would like to watch more machining during the explaination.
I love that the TP has been inspected for quality. ...As long as it isn't quality tested.🤮
Mazak is very high quality.
says in the manual , main motor 10hp 4phase , that's 7,45 kw
Seeing a manual Mazak machine is so strange when I work in a shop full of Mazak cnc machines that are >5 years old.
Right after WW2, Japan was building crap and gained reputation for it.
Sort of can't fault them for it. They were basically destroyed so doing anything possible to get their industry back on track.
The Japanese Engineers I know are embarassed for what they had to do back then.
The Japanese culture puts an extremely high value in craftsmanship so it must have been very difficult for them to have to produce low quality products
Love it, I bet Timo has some really cool stories about the rest of the machines as well.
15:23 TIMO! Sorry Lauri, but he is my favorite
Lol i work with the same lathe at work. Great machine but mines been around the block😅talk about used and abused
I did enjoy your guided tour of the lathe. Thank you.
We have one in our shop. Needs to have the crosslide screw replaced with a ballscrew. It has horrible backlash as it is
Does anyone know what is the occupation of this guy? I think I found a new channel to follow. 😊
maybe its time to machine new parts for it self to fix the issues im sure you can just make a new piece for where its bad cut out the worn out place and bolt on new or something
I have heard that Czech machines are also very good, I myself own a 1985 SV-18RA in a rougher shape but it still works allthough it need care. I think the lathe is really well designed but i sadly have nothing to compare it to.
Czechoslovakia was an industrial powerhouse before WW2, many famous German things were made in occupied Czech factories .
Is this guy from Finland? His accent is Finnish.
Is bunker branding the Demo Ranch ones?
Gearbox is missing a knob for the handle :(
Awesome content.😊
I love that lathe you have a bulletproof Mazak. I currently run a Mazak super Quickturn with a T plus controller. I love Mazaks.
So the motor is 10HP or about 7.5KW
Absolutely more machine!
Очень классная машина, но очень просит чтобы её помыли))
Adam Savage would love this video :D
Did you cover the coolant and how that works?
place a GoPro action camera on the lathe during use
Mazak lathes have always been premium. Okuma is good too, afaik. Looking at all the posts I've made ... Haas, Mori Seiki and Doosan Puma (and Lynx) are cheap and very common, Pumas especially at schools. Rest are mostly weird Japanese ones. In order of weirdness: Hyundai, Hwacheon (was that Korean?), Miyano, Takisawa, Nakamura-Tome and CMZ. More rare ones are Goodway, Gildemeister and Biglia. Worst control for lathe is Heidenhain. It's the best control for mills (you have my postprocessor for Mastercam in there 😉), especially multi-axis, but absolutely horrible for a lathe.
Sadly there aren't lathes and mills manufactured in Finland. Maybe they are too small and easy. 😆 Easy things are made in China and India, difficult ones in Europe, extremely hard ones in Japan and Switzerland, and impossible things in Finland.
I have same machine. Works well
First tool I ran was an enterprise lathe when I was 14, about the same size too.
I thinks Its not easy for to explain this in English
I run mazak cnc machines daily at work and it's great to see how far the machine companies have come
New shirt Skill level 5 milion😊
Red hot steel vs frozen lake tool!😅
Thread cutting video be interesting
16:44 Timo flippin' the bird
During the Great Depression my master machinist grandfather bought a flat-belt drive F.E. Reed 18x72 inch lathe. My father inherited it in 1964. The last production job on it was circa 1970- 9,500 pieces. I donated it to the Amador Sawmill & Mining Association seven or eight years ago.