It's Not Over Yet For Oakland After A's Leaked Plans to Disband
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- Опубликовано: 4 фев 2024
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With rumors that the Oakland A’s could potentially disband or suspend operations after the 2024 season, my first thought immediately went to something first mentioned on this channel months and months ago…the San Jose Sharks expansion and the blocking of the Minnesota North Stars relocation. Unlike then though, everything seems to be lining up perfectly for this to actually happen.
John Fisher can go to Las Vegas with a new franchise the local markets would prefer. Joe Lacob and a local ownership team can purchase the A’s, build Howard Terminal and stay. And MLB can put all this to bed in one fell swoop.
The pieces of the puzzle are all here and ready to be assembled. It’s not that difficult. Fisher sells the team and is granted a Vegas expansion franchise that doesn’t have to start play until whenever that stadium is done. He can take whoever he wants with him, and the A’s stay in Oakland.
This isn’t some pipe dream. This isn’t some pie-in-the-sky hypothetical. It’s probably the only scenario that only makes sense at this moment in time. I mean the alternatives are the A’s going on some grand tour of minor league ballparks for three years or ceasing to exist.
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All of this can be sorted out if they just let Oakland keep the A's and let Vegas have the expansion team. It shows that Vegas does NOT care for the A's coming to Las Vegas. They would be happier to have their own team from the ground up.
To that point, this is what the whole plan to disband is all about. Fisher knows Vegas doesn't want to A's and this basically gives them an expansion team.
There's three problems: 1) John Fisher will double his money in the move to Vegas. 2) MLB wants the A's out of Oakland (30-0) and 3) if Fisher sells MLB make a ton of money AFTER he moves to Vegas. The worst thing for MLB and Fisher now is sell the team before the move.
@@thetouchback Oakland Media horsecrap.
John Fisher is on record as saying he won't sell the team in Vegas. Either an increased Vegas valuation doesn't matter to him or he's a liar. Whatever the case, this path still works.
@@thetouchback wrong, He can borrow off the increased equity, and will.
The plan you layed out was very reasonable
Just one thing we are overlooking: MLB doesnt want to be in Oakland anymore. The commissioner is a jerk
Oakland is not safe anymore , even In and Out burger is moving out of Oakland.
Who does?
I was just about to post this very comment. Pro sports wants nothing to do with Oakland anymore.
Lifelong Twins fan here. Keep the A's in OAKLAND!!!
Excellent idea here. Stay in Oakland!
The A's can afford to move out of oakland and will for fan and player safety reasons.
I'll never understand why MLB is bending over backwards for a nepo baby like John Fisher. There has to be some Bay Area tech bro billionaire with unlimited money to buy this team.
Nobody wants to spend a billion dollars on anything in Oakland, especially if they have to keep it in Oakland.
If someone like that stepped forward, MLB would drop Fisher like a used Kleenex.
Apparently warriors owner did but John fisher won’t budge 😭
Maybe there is, but they're still left with the same problems - they need a new stadium, the city is dysfunctional (and actually getting worse), the region is not growing, and even if the A's somehow triple their fanbase they're still one of the lowest in baseball. The value of the A's doubles just via the act of moving out of Oakland.
Jensen Huang(CEO of Nvidia) was pictured at a game recently. Dude could sell 1% of his position in Nvidia to buy the A's.
The idea of selling a team and then getting an expansion one happened here in Columbus with our MLS team - the Columbus Crew. The previous owner, Anthony Precourt, bought the team and emphasized that they were going to do everything to make the relationship between the team and the city even stronger. However, he quickly and covertly started to negotiate with the city of Austin, Texas, to relocate the team.
In the same manner that Fisher systematically destroyed the team and relationship with the A's fans, along with purposely letting the Coliseum literally fall apart as a way to manufacture discontent and disinterest, Precourt did everything in his power to "create" the need for the team to relocate.
The fan-inspired and created "Save the Crew" campaign eventually led to Precourt being forced to sell the team to a local ownership group with the agreement of the MLS to grant him and Austin getting an expansion team. This is literally the roadmap that can be done here.
Columbus is a good shout as an example. Having the Art Modell law in Ohio helped as well and is something more states should have in place. Also, I still miss the Columbus Crew logo.
This sounds like the Sonics move except Seattle didn't get the good ending.
The good news is Seattle will get the next expansion team whenever that is?
And as a Dynamo fan, I don't see Austin FC as a rival. I see them as intruders.
The city of Oakland is the LANDLORD of the Coliseum, not the A's... While the A's have offered to buy out the city, the city REFUSED to sell... GOOD landlords offer to improve the property when their tenants lease is about to expire, in order to get the tenant to sign a new lease, Oakland REFUSED... This isn't rocket science, this is Real Estate 101... DEMONIZING the owner isn't winning any brownie points with Fisher or with the MLB...
Being a Las Vegas resident, there was not a huge fanfare for the Oakland A's coming to Las Vegas. Las Vegas residents have not been receptive to J. Fisher (specifically with "we will not give taxpayer money to a CA millionaire"). Therefore J. Fisher & expansion team to Las Vegas is likely not going to work out. A change of ownership (via Joe Lacob) needs to take place within the A's and a different owner and expansion to Las Vegas will be the best solution (& would be more receptive here in Las Vegas).
Your entitled to your opinion; but Fisher doesn't have to sell the team until it s on his terms
@@user-ih7hq3es1s It could happen if the MLB basically forced him to sell somehow, i.e. all the owners banding together. But they'll never do that because they all want to protect their own interests and don't want to set a precedent for ganging up, since any of them could be next. None of them are in it for the betterment of the game anymore, everyone is just looking out for Number One.
John Fisher needs to sell the team
Oh he will -- in 10 years. In ten years the MLB sell penalty is over and his team will be worth 4-5 times what it is today. And if it isn't Vegas (which is assured) its Portland or Salt Lake City. Any way you look at it, the A's are leaving Oakland as fast as they can.
@@user-pw3ji3rn3s Sell penalty?
@@user-pw3ji3rn3s he needs to sell it to an Oakland based owner Vegas is not interested in the a's
Why? Fisher is going to make a lot of money in the future in L.V. And MLB doesn't want the A's in Oakland. The city of Oakland and it's mayor are killing Oaklands financial and public safety health. The Mayor doesn't even have a Police Chief. Restaurants and Business's are fleeing Oakland. I'm born and raised in Oakland and worked there half my adult life; but the city hasn't done anything to deserve to keep the A's.
Better yet, MLB needs to make him sell the team. But, of course, we all know that’s not going to happen.
Upvote for Sacramento Goldminers logo. Got to see them play the Roughriders without trekking to Regina 30 years ago.
Expansion is bad for MLB in my opinion. The bottom 5 teams in talent every year are essentially minor league teams, and there’s so many small teams that struggle with attendance and stadium issues
The only issue is that MLB really REALLY want out of the Oakland Coliseum. Thing is an absolute dump. MLB basically said until the As are out of the Coliseum and the Rays are out of Tropicana Field, they won't expand. While this plan keeps the As in Oakland, they're also back to square one with needing a new ballpark... in Oakland... Howard Terminal maybe could work but they can't stay at the Coliseum long term, otherwise MLB would turn their nose up and say "fuck no, we're not having a team staying in that rat infested dump". That's the big issue. This could work yes, but I doubt MLB would allow it unless there was solid plans for a new stadium in Oakland, which is what started this entirely. And I doubt any potential owner would be happy to build a new modern Major League ballpark with private funds alone. Oakland as a city sure as shit can't pay for it.
There' are strong rumors that MLB plans to add TWO new teams within the next five years. If the Athletics stay in Oakland while Vegas gets a new team, only ONE new slot will be available. Would reps from expansion candidates like Portland, Salt Lake City, Nashville, North Carolina, Montreal, Orlando, San Antonio, and possibly Mexico try to stop this?
I remember in the late 1980's when the SF Giants were looking for a new stadium---or at least upgrades at "the Stick"---and there was a ballot initiative proposed for the City of SF to fund it. At-the-time SF mayor, Art Agnos accused Sacramento businessman Greg Lukenbill of spending "big bucks" to campaign against it. At that time, Lukenbill was "laying the groundwork" for a new MLB-compatible stadium in Sacramento.
Kudos on the Sacramento Goldminers shirt
I donated a Gold Miners football signed by Dave Archer to the Sacramento History Museum
The best way for A's to stay in the bay is to force a sale to Joe Lacob and for him to negotiate with Giants for a land swap, swapping Santa Clara and Alameda County. A's can move to San Jose in a new stadium. The San Jose Giants, the Giants Single A affiliate will relocate to Oakland to play at the Laney College Baseball Field which will be renovated to include at least 3000 seats. This carrot of a Single A Minor League Team will be so Oakland is convinced to give a temporary lease to the A's to let them play until the stadium in San Jose is available. I say this all as an Oakland resident, I feel that Oakland and San Francisco are too close to each other to viably compete in pro sports at this time, however, San Jose being an hour away gives a fair amount of distance while retaining much of the fan base. I think the Bay Area is populous and wealthy enough to support MLB teams but since the construction of Mount Davis on the coliseum, and especially since the construction of Oracle Park for the Giants, arguably one of the nicest stadiums in the league, Oakland has stood no chance holding it's ground in the market. However, the A's would still be able to retain many of their fans in a move to San Jose, and likely build a stronger fanbase in Silicon Valley which is wealthier and more populous than the East Bay (in which they're also competing with the Giants who have a state of the art waterfront stadium, which makes it hard to retain their fanbase in the east bay.)
If for some reason this can't all come to fruition I say the A's give up on a domed stadium in Vegas and should move to Mexico City, and renovate the new 5-year-old-20,000-seat-stadium up to 35,000 seats and play games there. Mexico City is a huge untapped market the size of New York City in Latin America, and they would be sure to be profitable and pull fans to games. Build an identity by signing Mexican and Latin American players and being Mexico's and Latin America's Team. Of course, rename the team to the Mexico (City) Atleticos. They could also play games in Monterrey's 21,000-seat stadium while renovations are being done to Mexico City's stadium.
Not Happening, MLB has already decided to leave Oakland. There will be no forced sale. The Giants already refused to negotiate over their “home turf”. So in reality, the A’s have no choice but to move from the Bay Area if Santa Clara county is out of the question.
Mexico City is just too far away logistically at this point, especially with the MLB schedule. Montreal or San Juan Puerto Rico would be better places for expansion or if a team moved. But both lack the stadiums demanded by MLB.
I am so freakin' tired of thie Lacob BS. IT BS! I can prove it. HE should be screaming right now about putting together an expansion group and a stadium deal with the City.. He should be so happy the A's have left! IS HE? NO. He's not doing squat. It was all smoke preached by people in the media only interested in keeping their jobs.
@@ivandragomiloff2356 I don't think Mexico City is too far away for MLB, none of the distances the Mexico City team would travel would be greater than the longest distance which is between the Mariners and Marlins. Speaking of the Mariners, they would need to modify divisions slightly, swapping the Mariners and Diamondbacks in the AL West and NL West, because Seattle to Mexico City would be like Seattle to Baltimore, which wouldn't be acceptable for divisions. Teams have switched from AL to NL and vice versa before, so it wouldn't be unheard of for this to happen. You would then have an AL West of Anaheim, Arizona, Mexico City, Texas, and Houston. And within this division, none of the distances would be longer than a current division matchup that's currently acceptable, Seattle and Houston.
@@elijahmiller6925 You do realize that from Boston to Mexico City is about 2300 miles. That literally almost the same flight time as Boston to San Francisco. But it’s not the length of the flight that’s the problem, it’s the scheduling, many teams would have to fly to Mexico City and back, 900 to 2300 miles. Just to one destination. It’s not like flying from the East for inter league play and you hit a couple of West Coast cities. It’s just Mexico City alone and then you fly out the next day. It’s not economical, that’s why the NBA hasn’t done it. Especially when you have other cities like Nashville and Austin or even Charlotte and Montreal, that could support a baseball franchise.
@@ivandragomiloff2356 Mexico City is 750 miles away from Houston and 900 miles away from Arlington, so when scheduling teams from farther away, they could pair a Mexico road series with a Texas road series. You could really make the same argument about the Mariners, who are 700 miles away from the Giants and A's currently. Of course, there are other potential expansion candidates, and the MLB will likely expand to 32 and possibly further than that in the future. I mention Mexico City because they already have a stadium with 20,000 plus capacity, unlike potential existing stadiums in potential American and Canadian expansion candidates. This is why Mexico City is a good relocation option for the A's whose lease at the Oakland Coliseum ends after this season and will need to find a place to play immediately.
If they create an expansion team what happens as that would create an uneven number of teams which you said doesn’t work?
No baseball expansion! There aren't enough good players to go around for the teams that currently exist. More teams will water down MLB even further.
The A’s won’t disband because the Players Association won’t allow it. Sooner or later they will have to talk about this issue.
There will not be a “grand tour of minor league ballparks”. They would be stationary at a single minor league stadium.
This will never happen. MLB will run the team before they let this happen. These impossible rumors need to stop
Yeah like it did the expos, mlb and Manfred are morons, if Frank McCourt was around today, he would’ve been allowed to keep the dodgers and drain every penny out of thrm
Don't forget in 2001 MLB came very close to folding both the Twins and Expos. All the other owners voted in favour.
May the save the crew spirit make it to Oakland!
If the A's don't play between 2025-27 that means current A's players will go to other teams and that means John Fisher will be the worst owner of all time in any four Sports baseball, basketball, football and ice hockey
Mlb wants out of oakland by any means necessary.
They'd rather deal with this circus then stay in oakland.
That's false.
@@vpolite1 No it isn't MLB wants out of Oakland as badly as In and Out burger who are closing their oakland locations for employee and customer safety. Move the A's to a city that is not a demilitarized zone and their attendance will increase 10 fold.
@@From-North-Jersey 10 fold? You guys must do a lot of drugs in North Jersey. The mayor of Las Vegas just came out and said they should stay in Oakland.
@@vpolite1 Bud the A's were drawing 1000 a night, you really think vegas is going to have to have a hard time getting 10,000 people to show up on any given regular season game? Vegas will sell out every night.
Comped seats from the hotels who will buy tickets in bulk, conventions in town, people looking to kill 4-5 hours away from the tables will make The Vegas A's one of the most profitable teams in baseball.
The A's will become the Washington Generals of MLB they will play in their own stadium with their own fans outnumbered 2 or 3 to 1 by the visiting teams fans who brought all sorts of gambling, show,and restaurant money to the local economy.
The mayor of las vegas is probably swindling another deal for the real estate the stadium will be on and wants to kill the big deal that is great for the A's and Vegas but sucks for the Mayor and their thieves guild for his own benefit. There are 15 MLB franchises who's fan's will travel to a safe city to see their team play on the road. Nobody was following the team to Oakland. Everyone will follow their team to Vegas.
@@vpolite1 We don't do a lot of Drugs in North Jersey, we do a normal quantity of really , really, really good drugs in North Jersey.
I really feel like the A’s entire existence is on the line. Also with the City of Oakland in the condition it is, baseball should be the lowest concern.
It pretty much is.
How much longer can the A’s play in the coliseum while waiting for a new stadium? From everything you hear about the place it’ll be condemned any day now?
While the Coliseum is by no means in pristine condition, it's hardly the wasteland some make it out to be. The stadium is basically a 1988 Honda Accord. Not pretty to look at and needing to be replaced, but it will still get you from point A to point B for a few more trips yet.
I love the old gal. It gets way too much bad press. I’ve been to enough modern ballparks to realize that I love the game more than I care about the surroundings. Frankly, the Coliseum can have great energy at times.
Whatever happens to the A’s they need a new Ballpark.
The problem here is that you assume that Las Vegas wants John Fisher as an owner. I can tell you we don't.
i question the legality of disbanding
On what grounds?
MLBPA would quickly file a grievance@@jonathanrice1070
It's a Limited Partnership. As long as they follow the correct process there's nothing to stop them dissolving the team entirely.
I'm pretty sure it would be legal...the question then becomes, would it cause Congress to reconsider baseball's anti-trust exemption?
@@stevenkramer3431 As if Congress would disolve the MLB's anti-trust exemption... That would KILL the MLB as it is known today, probably reducing the MLB in half, if not more... We would be left with a MLB with one team in Los Angeles, one team in Chicago, and with one team in New York City...
Do what MLS did with the potential crew move. Also this is why every state needs their own version of the Modell law!
vegas is alot smaller than the bay area but its flush with cash and MLB wants a piece of it.
Spot on
Bay Area GDP is $650 BILLION. Nevada, the whole state, is $165 Billion
The cash in the Bay Area dwarfs the cash in Vegas
And they want a foothold in the gambling market.
The mayor of Las Vegas now says that she thinks the A's belong in Oakland. The folks in Las Vegas might want an expansion team rather than the A's. Can the City of Oakland deliver on Howard Terminal? I don't know why MLB approved of the sale unless they wanted the A's in Vegas.
2 GREAT team uniforms and logos - the North Stars and Atlanta Flames. Too bad the league went with the stupid looking replacement uniforms in Dallas and Calgary.
Hey, respect the late 90s Dallas Stars uniforms.
@@manzac112 Dallas Stars are a pitiful recreation of the North Stars. Hockey in Dallas just doesn't seem right.
@@marblox9300There’s no problem with hockey in Dallas. They had CHL minor league hockey dating back to the 1960’s. The Dallas Black Hawks had a great rivalry with the Ft Worth Red Wings and the Oklahoma City team whose name I can’t recall. However, Dallas should have received an expansion team, not the North Stars. And I agree that NONE of the Stars uniforms are as good as the North Stars uniforms were. And BTW, I’m a STL Blues fan since 1968, so I’m not biased to Minnesota. Just telling like it is!
@@OldRustySteele I agree with your uniform an logo taste. I'm from Chicago initially - now in the suburbs.
@@marblox9300 Hi Marblox, I lived in Naperville in the late ‘80’s early ‘90’s. Though I grew up in STL, I loved Chicago Stadium so much that I bought a half-share of season tickets and the Hawks are my 2nd favorite team. My STL buddies wanna disown me and my Chicago buddies wanna disown me too! Like Rodney Dangerfield, “I’m tellin ya, I get no respect!” 🤣
Man the good ol’ Chuck Norris Division had great teams, great games, great iconic arenas, and great uniforms. My preference in order: Hawks home red, Blues road white (the Blue Note logo stands out better on white), late ‘80’s North Stars either home or road (after they added some black outlining), Red Wings white (same reason as Blues - the iconic winged wheel gets lost on the home red and overall the home red is a bit boring), and finally the grammatically incorrect Maple Leaves blue. The “Leafs” use a white leaf logo on the blue background which helps it “pop”. I’ve Photoshopped a Blues home blue sweater with a gold or white logo rather than blue, and it looks pretty decent! But it’s “The Blue Note”, so I doubt they’d ever change the color except for a third jersey or a special Winter Classic version. Also, I’ve always thought the Hawks white jerseys would look better if they reversed black and red on the stripes and numbers. Red numbers with black outlining would stand out better.
One last comment. I’m in Houston now and the NHL would be a winner if they put a team here. Already got a NHL ready arena, lots of northern transplants like me, good support of the minor league and even WHA way back in the ‘70’s. And maybe most importantly, billionaire Tilman Fertitta who would love 41 more events at Toyota Center.
Have a good one!
Just come to Sacramento and be done with it! haha
I don’t see disbanding as an option. What happens to the players? The divisions? Etc. I could see the players union not having anything to do with it.
If they build a billion dollar retractable roof stadium by the ocean they've got it made.
Manfreds former frat bros with fisher. He’ll always have his back. Dude is so crooked
It is Bud Selig and former owner, Lew Wolff, who were fraternity brothers. Selig made sure that Wolff’s bid to buy the team was the winning bid.
A ray of hope. But I have a better suggestion. MLB forces Fisher to sell the A’s to a local ownership group. Let Fisher believe he’s going to get an expansion team in Vegas, but MLB accepts a local ownership group in Vegas instead of Fisher.
He has so monumentally botched the whole relocation scheme that MLB must be embarrassed and furious.
MLB is behind the whole move!
It’s what we all been saying for the past year but MLB does not see it , it’s a win win for both cities
CONTRACTION???
Bud Selig was a man known for asinine ideas but that may have been his most asinine.
not in a million Years. thoughtless idea
MLB would need to name the other East expansion city at the same time to make all of this work
Hypothetically speaking IF IF IF John Fisher sells the A's.....he's done as an owner. There's no way MLB lets him back in. Vegas or anywhere else.
Best bet, move to Diamondbacks’ stadium, form a close rivalry and keep the name(A’s like the Aces)
Eventually the NHL did return to the twin cities after the North Stars left via expansion with the Minnesota Wild.
Wait. Is that a Sacramento Gold Miners shirt? Talk about a deep cut.
It is a Gold Miners shirt. I wouldn't be the sports fan I am today without those trips to Hughes Stadium to watch the Surge and then Gold Miners play.
I’m a Dodger fan and almost all of the baseball fans didn’t want the Athletics to move their team to Las Vegas and even the mayor of Las Vegas, Carolyn Goodman didn’t want the A’s to Las Vegas and she said that the Athletics should remain in Oakland and I’m 100% agree with that!!!
Goodman is mentally unstable... get more info before "agreeing" with someone.
Fisher doesn't deserve to own a franchise. He's horrible for the sports industry. All he would do is doom Las Vegas' chances. He'll build the cheapest shittiest domed park and in 20 years relocations bs all over again.
What about the $2BB expansion fee the 30 owners want? This feels like a detail
That is still very much a part of this. Rather, that is the Oakland group paying it directly to MLB or them paying it to Fisher, who then hands it over to the owners.
@@thetouchbackfrom the MLB perspective, it creates a bidding war between LV, Nashville and Salt Lake City.
How about use Hohokam Stadium as a temp home until the Vegas Stadium is done. I doubt very seriously Manny is going to do the right thing because he honestly doesn't care about the game. I've heard plenty of stories from the front office staff of the Rangers affiliate in my area. We also got sold down the river so this year will be our swan song.
If you don't mind me asking, what is your affiliate ballclub?
@@thetouchback Down East Wood Ducks. Our parent until the end of the year is the Texas Rangers
@@TravisMSimpson You weren't kidding about being sold down the river.
Where can I find the shirt you're wearing? lol
Royal Retros. They have both Sacramento Surge and Gold Miners shirts and jerseys.
Why don't they move to Salt Lake?
Oakland is a colossal shithole why would the A's want to stay there? If I owned that team I'd tell MLB to relocate the team or i'm folding it. That's how bad Oakland is.
Even In and Out Burger said FTSIO to Oakland.
San Francisco is arguably worse
@@thedailytalon9259 Nah. Oakland is worse. SF is bad certainly but Oakland has the fourth highest property crime rate in the nation.
just move to Sacramento
Best option for all. Rename them the 49ers.
Disband a major league sports team ? League could pay owners to do it .
The new SLC Daybreak stadium is MLB quality but 10k size. They will draw better there from 2025-27 than Oakland
The Salt Lake Pligs are never going to happen.
Absolute best case scenario. A’s are sold and Fisher gets an expansion Vegas team.
On behalf of Las Vegas, how is getting John Fisher as an owner of best case scenario?
Best case scenario is A's move to Sacramento, Vegas falls through, Fisher sells the team to local group and A's stay in Sac permanently.
@@karnubawax yes
They should be forced to play on 70th Ave, the blue car can be first base, the manhole cover in the middle of the road can be second base, the red car can be third base and the lump of roadkill can be home plate. After every inning, everyone moves out of the way to let the traffic through.
They'd have delays every inning because someone would steal the bases.
If all baseball teams just decided not to ever play again then nobody would care. Then cities could save millions of dollars building these multi-millionaires stadiums.
I'm pretty sure a lot of people who are baseball fans would care.
@@theredraven Nope.
@@marblox9300 Yes.
@@theredraven Don't be silly. It's Nope.
@@marblox9300 OK, you don't think millions of people would be bothered in the slightest if the sport they follow just stopped?
wait, is that a Sacramento Gold Miners shirt you are wearing?
Good eye. It is a Gold Miners shirt.
Our clubs don't move? How about these?
1. Boston/Milwaukee Braves
2. Washington Senators aka Texas Rangers
3. Seattle Pilots aka Milwaukee Brewers
4. Montreal Expos aka Washington Senators
5. Brooklyn Dodgers
6. NY Giants
7. Philadelphia/KC Athletics
Not to mention all the pre WW2 teams that disbanded, reappeared, moved, etc.
Only once since 1970.
@@davidrivera9743 doesn't matter. They say their clubs don't move, that means never. Words have to mean something
Fisher is a Disgrace
I had to stop watching this video because you keep telling people the Minnesota North Stars moved to San Jose and became the sharks when they are clearly the Dallas Stars now since 1993
Not only did I say that this was a complicated story but the reasons behind it are in the video I mentioned covering this very topic and pointed to.
@touchback now I understand it
A''s as constituted are worth less than a Vegas expansion team. John Fisher would have to sell the A's for less and then pay more for an expansion team... or the owners would have to give him an expansion team at a discounted rate and well that's not gonna happen. I also don't know if the MLB or ANY ownership group wants to pay ball with the Oakland city council. Seems like a group impossible to work with
The valuations here are irrelevant. The Oakland group can pay the price of the expansion fee for the right to keep the A's. Oakland is also not the problem here. The issue, as Vegas is now finding out, is Fisher.
It's not so much City Council, It's Oakland strong mayor system were counsel have their power over ruled by the The Mayor. The Mayor of Oakland needs to be recalled.
@@thetouchback I'm sorry but Oakland IS the problem. It's a crime-ridden dump with a completely dysfunctional government and a stagnant growth pattern. Plus it's California so any project here takes twice as long and costs twice as much. I've lived here my whole life and it's embarrassing to see how low this place has sunk. And that's without the sea level rising!
Is that a Sacramento Gold Miners shirt?
It is a Gold Miners shirt.
@@thetouchback Another American CFL fan! If you ever see a picture of the Grey Cup being raised to the crowd in Baltimore, I'm the guy standing next to Mike Pringle
That's awesome! I actually have the promo shirt from the 1995 Grey Cup aka "Real Men Eat Wheat" which has made an appearance in a few videos as well. Growing up in Sacramento, I actually attended WLAF and CFL games before eventually going to my first NFL game.
C'mon. You know bloody well that MLB doesn't do logic or common sense. They do ego, avarice, and vengeance. They are pissed at Oaklanders for standing up to them with their "impudence" and total lack of proper fealty...I mean, how dare fans try to claim social capital ownership of what is clearly a private enterprise???... 😲 ...This is a fire that Baseball needs to put out, and they will do so even if it results in a pyrrhic victory...Egos will prevail!!!... 😠 ...Until they don't...Go Ballers!...
Update - Fisher found a place to play in Sacramento and will continue to move the team to Vegas (unfortunately). *Sell the team Fisher!*
So, you would be at 31 teams. You are at the same problem as 29.
As a midwesterner - the news I seem to be getting is the entire left coast is slowly turning into a shit hole.
ruclips.net/video/8-AiD5Vr6Mc/видео.html That and, unsurprisingly, no one wants to tell you that the California is poised the become the fourth largest in the world.
@@marblox9300. California has the 4th largest economy in the world behind only the economies of the US, China & Japan. Hardly a shithole. The GDP of California is twice as large as the state with the 2nd highest GDP (Texas). I would recommend some basic research as a better source of factual info vs. “I heard”.
@@thetouchback 4th largest what.??? 4th largest shithole.???
In the case of Oakland, it's true.
They might play In utah
Sell the a's to elon musk he has plenty off money and could put a team together run the operations
Your plan makes way too much sense. So...given the collective track records of Manfred, Fisher, and the government of the City of Oakland...don't expect it to happen.
This is true. We are not exactly living in the golden age of logic.
John Fisher must sell now.
how about Oakland keeps the Athletics and John Fisher in Las Vegas gets an expansion team even simpler everybody's happy except Oakland and John Fisher And.a,s fans and
Las Vegas gets a new team and a new owner not named John Fisher that's even simpler
That still leaves Oakland with a crumbling stadium and a dysfunctional government. Not to mention that if their fanbase triples somehow they will still be among the worst in the league.
Your plan makes sense…so it’ll probably never happen.
Playing in a minor league stadium in Vegas will draw more fans and be played in a better stadium than Oakland Coliseum. Its a dump and Oakland has done nothing to help make a new stadium happen.
Just a obvious issue....it's safe to say that the Bay area has financially dropped a step or two, and I don't see how 2 teams can survive in the same market area. Lot different from 1970s/1980s/1990s.
The A’s are not staying in Oakland! Get over it!
Your dad is not coming back! Get over it!
If OAKLAND is serious about building a Stadium. This is the solution. Fisher owns the A's and he is not going to sell. The Las Vegas move is a done deal. Do you remember when Art Modell move the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore? Cleveland was able to keep their name and their history. That's what Oakland needs to potion MLB to do. However this is not going to happen because Oakland city officials aren't serious people. Put that together with the deterioration of the the city at large MLB can't wait to get the hell out of Oakland. It is so bad there In N Out is getting the F🔸️🔸️k out. You people are completely dillusional. I'm a life long A's fan who now lives on the East Coast. Before the latest dismantling I went to over 10 games a year. I no longer care to go to Oakland because of the reasons mentioned previously. This is one A's fan who is elated that the A's are moving. Oakland is no place for a Professional Sports franchise to play in
The browns had not called 4 other cities home before getting stuck in Oakland like the A's did.
@@From-North-Jersey They Started in Philadelphia then moved to Kansas city before move to Oakland. Vegas will be their 4th city. I don't think Oakland has a leg to stand on. The A's have been trying to get a Stadium in the Bay Area for nearly 30 years. If the A's had any chance of staying it would have to be in the Silicone Valley. The Giants have blocked that claiming territorial rights.
The same territorial rights given to the Giants by the A's so they wouldn't move to Tampa Bay?
That's the thing. They're not serious.
Oakland A's fans need to WAKE UP out of their slumber. Short of a felony conviction the MLB will NEVER force Fisher to sell the team. PERIOD. Without a NEW STADIUM sorted out, Oakland will not be awarded a MLB team, much less a MiLB team. Furthermore, a MLB ownership group has to appear for a MLB or a MiLB expansion team, NONE have...The A's WILL relocate to Las Vegas into a new stadium in 2028 as that ship sailed last year...
This is stupid. They aren't disbanding. Ridiculous. It's over in Oakland.
I can't see Oakland as a future expansion anyway. If Oakland can't keep a Denny's and In N Out Burger because of the city's condition, who'd want to stay? It's over.
this fools delusions know no limits 🤦🏽♂️
Baseball can't expand. Where are the players going to come from - Mars?
The combined population of North America including the Caribbean is over 500 million. I'm pretty sure once you throw in other baseball nations like Japan, South Korea and Venezuela you'd be able to find enough guys to staff an MLB expansion team.
Honestly, what the heck are you doing? The A's are never coming back. The fans made sure of that. John Fisher is not selling because his team will be worth at least double being located in Vegas. If he was going to sell, opening day 2028 would be perfect (and MLB will get what it wants -- money -- aka FOLLOW THE MONEY MLB put in this deal).
What you should be doing is shouting at ANYONE who would listen to you to start working on EXPANSION, because literally no one in Oakland is. When Oakland is embarrassed and passed over for expansion for Salt Lake City, who will you blame? John Fisher? No. You need to blame yourself for WASTING TIME. Stop this silly stuff and START TO GET TO WORK.
Well, one problem with your statement..the A's haven't left yet. Fisher might have painted himself into a corner and might not have enough cash to buy himself out of this debacle. The owners made a statement when they applied a "flip tax" to the A's and he won't be able sell without paying that penalty. It's turning into a mess..
@@gregusjay Wow.. you guys haven't learned a darned thing. Well, I warned you. Welcome expansion to Salt Lake-- and not Oakland.
@@user-pw3ji3rn3swhy would the fans show up to support a team that was being deliberately run into the ground.
This is no one's fault but Fisher's, who is, by the way, human garbage.
@@noggin6870 Ask Cubs and Pirates fans why they keep showing up.
You are completely clueless about how things work. The A's run like a AAA team. He just takes on all that TV money he gets. They trade away every player of any value before they hit Free Agency. They don't sign any players to improve the team. The Oakland TV is to big for MLB to abandon.
There is NO WAY Oakland gets an expansion team. Zero chance.
There is simply not enough of a fan base. The city is completely dysfunctional. The region is not growing.
Not a chance in HELL it's going to happen. SLC, Nashville, Charlotte, San Antonio, and even Las Vegas I can see. Oakland? No f-ing way.
Look, all of this denial is just getting sad. Face it. It's over. MLB is leaving Oakland, very likely forever. I can't say I blame them one bit. And I live in the Bay Area.
If Las Vegas wants a baseball team now, that's up the them. Bu,t their is no gurantee they will be next in-line for a expansion team. Salt Lake City and Portland might jump the line if Vegas continues to be lukewarm about getting the A's.
SLC, Nashville, Charlotte, San Antonio, Vegas... all of them will get teams before Oakland.
Raiders twice, warriors and now A's because the area is an unsafe, crime -ravaged war zone. Nearby profitable in n out closing along with Starbucks due to crime. Let them move to San jose
For someone calling glossing themself as "freethinker" you sure do parrot a ton of propaganda.
bro's regurgitating fox news talking points. Every American city has these issues lol
On that basis shouldn't the Detroit Tigers have flown the nest long ago?