I upgraded my mk3s+ to a p1p. While the Prusa worked well. I spent too much time on tinkering rather than printing with my mk3s+. I used to spend so much time trying to adjust slicer settings just to save time. With the p1p i just print with standard profiles, Bambu filament or not. It all works. I find that this has become more of appliance especially since you can just print from the app. Just click print!
@@MarkRhodesMaker you did a really good job breaking down the pros and cons of each printer. You honestly described exactly how i was feeling about these two companies. Right now im getting into 3D printing and ive been trying to decide which way to go. I want to support Prusa, but i cannot justify spending the amount of money when compared to what bambu is offering. That being said I dont really want to support bambu because of some of the shady stuff they have done. I want to see prusa succeed but they need to catch up. The way that you talked about Prusa and how you want to see them catch up just really spoke to me.
1:35 - you actually nailed the Czech pronunciation Now a few tidbits: 17:50 - Prusa does sell the entire assembly for about 45€. I think that Inclusion of heatsink is not entirely fair, since it's integral part of the print head, while bambus is just part of the nozzle. Not sure if A1 is apple to apple comparison - Prusa atleast has an option of enclosure, A1 does not and manufacturer discourages it's use due to cooling concerns. With the rest, I agree. I own an MK4 and the network experience is a bit.. meh. Due to limitations of the built-in hardware, the PrusaLink was extremely unreliable. Prusa connect is much better, although it also had a lot of issues until latest update - but then you get to cloud issue which is often held against Bambu. I also agree with integration with app and Slicer - I hate when it's the only option, but In this case, I also miss the convenience. A dedicated app would offload GUI from the printer, so it could help with PrusaLink and it wouldn't need to rely on outside servers for printer management. And it would allow for more seamless connection management as well. Management through the browser is nice backup solution, but it's also slow and laggy - and push notifications are not working even when test went fine! Anyway, I'm still unsure about bambus aggressive marketing.. I have a feeling that once they catch enough people into their ecosystem, they'll start with subscriptions to their cloud system - it wouldn't be the first time that sort of thing happened. Hopefully I'm wrong. The other factors are true as well - especially in terms of distribution, Prusa lacks extremely. They are not the small company anymore. I live 80km from their HQ, so it's not a factor for me, but If I had to go through the loops of importing it from outside the EU.. no thanks. The spool identification would be a nice thing, especially if they made it opensource And with identifiers applicable to generic brands. On the other hand, I like that they still sell the printer as kit - I enjoyed the process and it saved me a few buck. But it's also their biggest weakness, as production of completed printers is basically people completing kits. It's not designed for mass production. Anyway, it seems that Prusa as company is still doing well. The Mini is due for replacement, so now it's right opportunity to make a proper printer for the masses.
Thanks for the clarification regarding the hotend. I couldn’t find it online, so had to make the assumption it wasn’t an option. I included the heatsink because I considered it part of the assembly. Regarding kits, yeah I actually like that, and that’s the tinkerer market being aimed at. Business users or consumers don’t care about that, and it’s actually a liability to them. Why pay more and then do more work, for less functionality?
I have actually bought mk4 even if I know bambu does it better. I simply don't want to buy Chinese product if I have a choice. So far, I have very good results but I have to admit bambu is like different generation of product. I hope Prusa will survive and we will not have future with only Chinese alternatives.
@@MarkRhodesMaker to be fair, it took me a while to find it as well and I knew about it. It's called Nextruder assembly, not MK4 or XL so the search doesn't show it. I think that they are going to keep the MK4 as the "tinkerer's choice", since they have AFS for large business and Mini's replacement will be the cheaper option for beginners and small bussines - if they are planning something like that - now with Nextruder and die cast parts, they are able to fix its biggest flaws and make it easier to produce in large quantities - that's not really possible with MK4 without complete redesign. And I don't think they can do a CoreXY that's cheap enough to compete with Bambu.
I don't understand the 3D printing "purists" that are stuck in 2018. It's a tool that makes other tools. I don't want to constantly fix and fiddle with my tools to get them to work properly.
Having been burned by closed systems where the only option to fix something was through the original manufacturer, I can't see myself investing in Bambu. When they change their terms of service or decide to charge more you will have no recourse.
It’s a reasonable comment, but it tends to indicate you aren’t in the audience I was aiming the video for. Closed systems are a plus here, they are liberating for people who don’t want to tinker 😊
@@MarkRhodesMaker I hate tinkering. I just want to print, but the last thing I want is to be held hostage. In the end you end up doing more tinkering when you have to work around the limitations of a closed system. But I appreciate your video nonetheless.
@@MarkRhodesMakerwhy buy a 3D printer if you don't want to tinker? What is the point of it? Like someone that doesn't tinker will be bored by it and hardly use it. Then at least your mini won't start complaining it needs cloud login and won't force updates. If you are a profesional user why won't you buy the PrusaXL? I just did at work. It offers everything without any cloud bullshit that gets blocked by our firewalk anyway. So maybe the MK3 gets replaced by a Bambu for a handfull of Etsy printers. But that's peanuts.
I think that Prusa has invested so much time and effort in developing the science of 3D printing that they didn’t notice that the technology had developed to the next logical step. That step was the 3D printer as an appliance. Just like a clothes washer-anyone can use it. Like you, I don’t want to tinker with a printer. I want to make parts that I design. Engineers need to get out of the lab and talk to the people that use the products they design. mk3s+, bbl p1s, Qidi I-fast.
@krollmond7544 well, seems that non-fanboys of Prusa are noticing their lack of advancements and improvements. Just like Blackberry - they didn't think they needed to change with the times, and when they did, it was too late - Apple already won the market. Same will happen with Prusa. I do miss my Blackberry though!
@krollmond7544 I am sure the mmu is good - I just haven't had the opportunity to use it yet. But just looking at specs compared to other printers, it seems that Prusa is falling behind.
5:44, I've been 3D printing at work for over a decade, and I've tried to have my own at home... 3 times. I mirror this gal's sentiment, I tried again with a K1 and gave up after rooting the firmware and printing shims to get the build plate level and doing custom mods for the belt pulleys and all kinds of ridiculous now by comparison, 'mods' to make the thing just WORK. I returned it to Microcenter the last day of the return policy, and got an X1C. It. Is. FUN. It is fun. That is all I have to say about it. 3D Printing is fun for me now. I don't care about gatekeeping I've repaired hot ends older than some of these reprap fanboys have been alive - and I'm sick of it. I love this Bambu - it's printing a huge ED 209 in 8 colors for the past 2 days and every single piece is immaculate. I didn't have to do much other than color the parts in bambu studio. I'm doing Jonny 5 next.
Speaking of competition - 2024 is about to pop OFF! I love my X1C and I love that Creality, Frozen, and others are about to give the AMS a run for it's money. May the odds be ever in the favor of who values UX! I really hope Creality doesn't do what Bambu did, and makes their RFID opento consumers to use them for any filament. Imagine if Bambu were to open up read/write access on the AMS to write to an RFID tag for other brand filaments. OMFG
Sorry for the late reply! YES 2024 is going to be amazing, every year seems to have even more possibility than the last. Do you think it's likely that Bambu would open this up? I'm betting filament is a huge earner for them!
Bambu has done more than a few shady software practices, “phone (China) home” software and Wi-Fi , not following open source license and many others makes me shy away from Bambu. And no, not a Prusa fan boy, don’t own a single Prusa.
To be honest, I couldn't care less about all the behind the scenes drama that goes on with all (not just bambu) these printer companies. I just wanted a printer that works reliably. Bambu has been that brand for me. Had bambu not been around, I'd definitely get a prusa though.
@@NWGR and that’s the issue, people don’t care about theft, protection of personal info, and following rules, until it hurts them, oh, but, if it screwed you over you’d be all upset about it!
@@Thomllama Let's be real, if even a fraction of what everyone thinks is happening with Bambu in regards to security/stealing their precious stl files, it would be all over the internet, and that includes concrete proof, not just the typical "China bad" mindset.
@@Thomllama I love how people are just blindly ignoring all the privacy concerns around Bambu. Lets just add a device that is openly taking your information and add it to our home networks. There are far to many other options to deal with that spyware crap from Bambu....
Dont forget the only time the AMS knows what filament it is is if you only use the official Bambulabs filament as thats the only type with the RFID chips.
I upgraded my mk3s+ to a p1p. While the Prusa worked well. I spent too much time on tinkering rather than printing with my mk3s+. I used to spend so much time trying to adjust slicer settings just to save time. With the p1p i just print with standard profiles, Bambu filament or not. It all works. I find that this has become more of appliance especially since you can just print from the app. Just click print!
This has to be my favorite comparison video of these two companies.
Thank you so much! Would you mind me asking why it was your favourite? I'd love to replicate this in future vids :)
@@MarkRhodesMaker you did a really good job breaking down the pros and cons of each printer. You honestly described exactly how i was feeling about these two companies. Right now im getting into 3D printing and ive been trying to decide which way to go. I want to support Prusa, but i cannot justify spending the amount of money when compared to what bambu is offering. That being said I dont really want to support bambu because of some of the shady stuff they have done. I want to see prusa succeed but they need to catch up. The way that you talked about Prusa and how you want to see them catch up just really spoke to me.
Had some time to burn in a waiting lobby and this video came across my feed and despite not being for me, an enthusiast, lol I enjoyed your video.
Hah. Thanks Martin, and you’re welcome here enthusiast or not!
Would the Prusa or Creality be better for a business who wants to keep their unique designs their own designs vs Bambu who not open source?
I came to the same conclusion myself when deciding it was time to upgrade from my ender 3 pro. Prusa needs to play catch up now.
100%
spot on, im looking to replace my mk2.5s... and bambu really answer all my needs, except for some functional prints i would like a bigger bed.
Same! I'm actually hoping they make an XL at some point :)
1:35 - you actually nailed the Czech pronunciation
Now a few tidbits:
17:50 - Prusa does sell the entire assembly for about 45€. I think that Inclusion of heatsink is not entirely fair, since it's integral part of the print head, while bambus is just part of the nozzle.
Not sure if A1 is apple to apple comparison - Prusa atleast has an option of enclosure, A1 does not and manufacturer discourages it's use due to cooling concerns.
With the rest, I agree. I own an MK4 and the network experience is a bit.. meh.
Due to limitations of the built-in hardware, the PrusaLink was extremely unreliable. Prusa connect is much better, although it also had a lot of issues until latest update - but then you get to cloud issue which is often held against Bambu.
I also agree with integration with app and Slicer - I hate when it's the only option, but In this case, I also miss the convenience. A dedicated app would offload GUI from the printer, so it could help with PrusaLink and it wouldn't need to rely on outside servers for printer management. And it would allow for more seamless connection management as well.
Management through the browser is nice backup solution, but it's also slow and laggy - and push notifications are not working even when test went fine!
Anyway, I'm still unsure about bambus aggressive marketing.. I have a feeling that once they catch enough people into their ecosystem, they'll start with subscriptions to their cloud system - it wouldn't be the first time that sort of thing happened. Hopefully I'm wrong.
The other factors are true as well - especially in terms of distribution, Prusa lacks extremely. They are not the small company anymore. I live 80km from their HQ, so it's not a factor for me, but If I had to go through the loops of importing it from outside the EU.. no thanks.
The spool identification would be a nice thing, especially if they made it opensource And with identifiers applicable to generic brands.
On the other hand, I like that they still sell the printer as kit - I enjoyed the process and it saved me a few buck. But it's also their biggest weakness, as production of completed printers is basically people completing kits. It's not designed for mass production.
Anyway, it seems that Prusa as company is still doing well. The Mini is due for replacement, so now it's right opportunity to make a proper printer for the masses.
Thanks for the clarification regarding the hotend. I couldn’t find it online, so had to make the assumption it wasn’t an option. I included the heatsink because I considered it part of the assembly.
Regarding kits, yeah I actually like that, and that’s the tinkerer market being aimed at. Business users or consumers don’t care about that, and it’s actually a liability to them. Why pay more and then do more work, for less functionality?
I have actually bought mk4 even if I know bambu does it better. I simply don't want to buy Chinese product if I have a choice. So far, I have very good results but I have to admit bambu is like different generation of product. I hope Prusa will survive and we will not have future with only Chinese alternatives.
@@MarkRhodesMaker to be fair, it took me a while to find it as well and I knew about it. It's called Nextruder assembly, not MK4 or XL so the search doesn't show it.
I think that they are going to keep the MK4 as the "tinkerer's choice", since they have AFS for large business and Mini's replacement will be the cheaper option for beginners and small bussines - if they are planning something like that - now with Nextruder and die cast parts, they are able to fix its biggest flaws and make it easier to produce in large quantities - that's not really possible with MK4 without complete redesign. And I don't think they can do a CoreXY that's cheap enough to compete with Bambu.
I don't understand the 3D printing "purists" that are stuck in 2018. It's a tool that makes other tools. I don't want to constantly fix and fiddle with my tools to get them to work properly.
Right?! But maybe for some folks, the tinkering / troubleshooting / upgrading IS the hobby, rather than creating stuff. What do you think?
Having been burned by closed systems where the only option to fix something was through the original manufacturer, I can't see myself investing in Bambu. When they change their terms of service or decide to charge more you will have no recourse.
It’s a reasonable comment, but it tends to indicate you aren’t in the audience I was aiming the video for. Closed systems are a plus here, they are liberating for people who don’t want to tinker 😊
@@MarkRhodesMaker I hate tinkering. I just want to print, but the last thing I want is to be held hostage. In the end you end up doing more tinkering when you have to work around the limitations of a closed system. But I appreciate your video nonetheless.
@@crashkg Thank you! Your points are valid, I think it's a balancing act of trading off strengths for weaknesses.
@@MarkRhodesMakerwhy buy a 3D printer if you don't want to tinker? What is the point of it? Like someone that doesn't tinker will be bored by it and hardly use it. Then at least your mini won't start complaining it needs cloud login and won't force updates.
If you are a profesional user why won't you buy the PrusaXL? I just did at work. It offers everything without any cloud bullshit that gets blocked by our firewalk anyway. So maybe the MK3 gets replaced by a Bambu for a handfull of Etsy printers. But that's peanuts.
I think that Prusa has invested so much time and effort in developing the science of 3D printing that they didn’t notice that the technology had developed to the next logical step. That step was the 3D printer as an appliance. Just like a clothes washer-anyone can use it. Like you, I don’t want to tinker with a printer. I want to make parts that I design. Engineers need to get out of the lab and talk to the people that use the products they design. mk3s+, bbl p1s, Qidi I-fast.
Prusa is more like Research In Motion (Blackberry). People are realizing its limitations and slow/no improvements and moving away
Speak for yourself
@krollmond7544 well, seems that non-fanboys of Prusa are noticing their lack of advancements and improvements. Just like Blackberry - they didn't think they needed to change with the times, and when they did, it was too late - Apple already won the market. Same will happen with Prusa.
I do miss my Blackberry though!
@@bobbydigital9323 how many other printers have a tool changer? And when the Mk4 has MMU what else can you be smug about?
@krollmond7544 I am sure the mmu is good - I just haven't had the opportunity to use it yet.
But just looking at specs compared to other printers, it seems that Prusa is falling behind.
I saw that comparison, and can understand why it’s being made. Let’s hope Prusa takes note, it’s in our best interest.
5:44, I've been 3D printing at work for over a decade, and I've tried to have my own at home... 3 times. I mirror this gal's sentiment, I tried again with a K1 and gave up after rooting the firmware and printing shims to get the build plate level and doing custom mods for the belt pulleys and all kinds of ridiculous now by comparison, 'mods' to make the thing just WORK. I returned it to Microcenter the last day of the return policy, and got an X1C. It. Is. FUN. It is fun. That is all I have to say about it. 3D Printing is fun for me now. I don't care about gatekeeping I've repaired hot ends older than some of these reprap fanboys have been alive - and I'm sick of it. I love this Bambu - it's printing a huge ED 209 in 8 colors for the past 2 days and every single piece is immaculate. I didn't have to do much other than color the parts in bambu studio. I'm doing Jonny 5 next.
I'd love to see both of those - hit me up on socials?
Speaking of competition - 2024 is about to pop OFF! I love my X1C and I love that Creality, Frozen, and others are about to give the AMS a run for it's money. May the odds be ever in the favor of who values UX! I really hope Creality doesn't do what Bambu did, and makes their RFID opento consumers to use them for any filament. Imagine if Bambu were to open up read/write access on the AMS to write to an RFID tag for other brand filaments. OMFG
Sorry for the late reply! YES 2024 is going to be amazing, every year seems to have even more possibility than the last. Do you think it's likely that Bambu would open this up? I'm betting filament is a huge earner for them!
Bambu has done more than a few shady software practices, “phone (China) home” software and Wi-Fi , not following open source license and many others makes me shy away from Bambu. And no, not a Prusa fan boy, don’t own a single Prusa.
To be honest, I couldn't care less about all the behind the scenes drama that goes on with all (not just bambu) these printer companies. I just wanted a printer that works reliably. Bambu has been that brand for me. Had bambu not been around, I'd definitely get a prusa though.
@@NWGR and that’s the issue, people don’t care about theft, protection of personal info, and following rules, until it hurts them, oh, but, if it screwed you over you’d be all upset about it!
@@Thomllama Let's be real, if even a fraction of what everyone thinks is happening with Bambu in regards to security/stealing their precious stl files, it would be all over the internet, and that includes concrete proof, not just the typical "China bad" mindset.
@@Thomllama I love how people are just blindly ignoring all the privacy concerns around Bambu. Lets just add a device that is openly taking your information and add it to our home networks. There are far to many other options to deal with that spyware crap from Bambu....
They are thieves dude, if they're willing to steal from the software community they're down to fuck the customer too @@NWGR
Dont forget the only time the AMS knows what filament it is is if you only use the official Bambulabs filament as thats the only type with the RFID chips.
Very true, and it is now “annoying” to have to manually set a filament for the rare times I don’t use Bambu!
Prusa also has refferal links.
Is that a reason for a business or consumer to consider purchasing one?