CN's MASSIVE Issue With Wuthering Waves
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- MrPokke & @SweetilyVT go over some of the issues the CN community have with Wuthering Waves.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
06:49 1st Video (Substat rolls)
13:13 2nd Video (Echo fodder | Hidden substat)
30:54 3rd Video (WuWa identity crisis)
41:24 Changes we want to see
44:23 Closing comments
45:57 Pokke's overall thoughts on WuWa
46:34 Sweetily COOKS Pokke AGAIN
50:29 Sweetily's overall thoughts on WuWa
52:03 Outro
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Challenge: Collab with Sweetily without her cooking you a single time - impossible
Sweetily is lowkey a highkey BASED META GIGAJANE
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@@Kizerlk07 Listening
What
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She is OP, she gained a follower there.
Sweetily roasting Mr. Chokke in her calm sweet voice feels amazing
sweetily is such a michelin star chef i love how she cook you perfectly every collab like that
There's actually a very easy way to solve this....just adopt the PGR resonance system into WuWa. For those who don't know , in PGR there are "memories" which have two resonance slots (only 6* and 5*) and they consume memories of the same name ( which is RNG) or More importantly , there is an item available which lets you "choose" which substat you want. This can literally be a game changer if implemented in somewhat similar way in WuWa in my opinion , as there seems to be so many different substats , that it becomes basically impossible to exactly have the perfect substats which you want , which tbh is a downer for me as a PGR player.
Yeah, that would be great!
As a PGR player, I am totally in for a system like what we have in PGR.
Yea I would like pgr system to be implement that way I don't have to learn again and can easily adapt 😂
Copium, i bet Kuro will start milking customers now.
They should let people craft echoes, like give 10 blues and it will give 1 purple back or something like that , this would make getting echoes easier and allow people to exchange substats bettween echoes (example: an echo that goes to a character who doesnt need energy regen as a sub , allow it to be replace by a sub that is on an echo that does need the energy regen , so lets say echo 1 got energy regen on substat and echo 2 have atk% on substat , you could exchange these 2 subs bettween them by using a farmable item)
This is actually a good idea. I think I use this for the feedback for them.
@superspy4776 I am not on beta myself, but I thought about a bit different strategy, maybe you will like it too
Allow to unlock substats for free or using cheaper (in stamina) farmable item.
But then you can choose to spend 2 items to roll for two possile substats and select one of them to apply. Or 3 items to roll for 3 possible sustats and select one that you like most, then 4 to get 4, etc. (progression isn't for me to decide)
Then it will be down to players to decide, do they want to unlock substats randomly for free or very cheap, while risking to get def% of the lowest quality, or spend more items(stamina) to have more control over the substat that you get.
They may even unlock first few substats the first way, and if they are good - then you may want to use the second way to be more sure you won't waste a good piece.
@@graylord6667 This is a interesting approach. I'll let them know on the feedback as well and hopefully by the game releases. They have some sort of implemented on the system that satisfy the player base.
bro really put the firefly date BGM on for this
It's not Firefly's BGM.
@@BulletSponge71436 Tf u mean? This is the overworld music in the area where we walked with firefly to her fav spot. If das not the date music then what is??
They need their own podcast or to partner up in a project together, they are beyond great together and really bring out the best in each other as cc's. Really enjoyed Sweetily's perspective on the game's atmosphere and I think she is incredibly insightful.
Sweetily: "I almost fell asleep listening to you for the past 2 hours 😊"
Me: DAYUM GIRL CHILL IT'S ONLY BEEN 4 SECONDS 😂
This happened after about 3 hours total into his stream lol
@@grampaseri I think It was clear enough from what she said lmao, i was talking about the video 😂 get the hint
I think they should make the Tuner into a reroll material as well. Maybe put a limit to how many times you can reroll or make the cost higher the more times you reroll (1 tuner -> 2 tuner -> .....).
Also remove at least half the roll distribution. The current RNG is insane 💀
agreed, another point to add. do we really need such high stats, im seeing rexlent and steparu do hologram 4 with ok echos. do we actually need min maxed stats. if not step it down definitely
It is truly concerning factor....but luckily it isn't that hard to fix...all the beta testers really need is todo is give their opinions on how to improve the game
@@lemonadeseller3367that's because their skill is better than most. The majority won't be playing like them at all.
I would rather they don't unless we will be able to get more tuners as an adjustment. It sounds like it would be better to be an independent material.
@@crowing3886 it doesnt matter if the majority wont be playing like them, cause the majority also wont be fighting the hardest content. Like every casual playerbase ever, they will just use junk sub stats and be fine lol.
A huge problem gacha game devs have with copying MMO RNG systems is that they don't understand that those systems are backed up with a community market, so you can buy what you need with in game currency if you got destroyed by poor RNG in those games. Well, either they don't understand or they do and they just haven't figured out how to monetize it for themselves then forgot about it and moved on to the next bullshit RNG system.
When I see stuff like this in new gacha games I lose all confidence that it can be good long term if there's no quick response. I feel like they'll just keep making similar mistakes with each new system.
This time investment is actually a serious issue... for me gacha games are something that I spend 30 mins a day (and I play 2 of them atm), I cannot spend hours grinding the same enemy spawns everyday with NO guarantee on the rewards. I am spending both time and stamina.
Atleast with HSR the relic grind is happening in the background with autoplay and I am done with my daily grind within 20 mins of playing the game.
If this isn't changed in some way, I think I will have to skip WuWa at launch, I genuinely do not have this much time to spend daily. Why do they think I am spending money on the subscriptions otherwise?
@@SM-oc4rc grinding the echoes by killing enemies is completely optional! You can farm echoes the genshin style with using stamina using tacet fields..!
@@Max-ks5rq Sorry can you explain? I was told that farming echoes is completely independent of stamina?
EDIT: The issue about the time/effort investment still remains though... unless the game will support braindead grinding for the multiple different materials via autoplay or just a quick battle functionality.
Gacha gambling games already cost money, I do not want to give them so much of my time as well.
They are trying to be attract the casual player like me, but I will never match the players/streamers who spend 6 hours a day playing and grinding the same enemies over and over. No matter how good my skill is with 3rd person melee action games.
@@SM-oc4rc oveerworld farming is independent of stamina basically just kill whatever you like and get them, but if you want to farm a specific set or something that can also be done in tacet fields with 40 stamina.
@@aratabhist Understood thanks!
So does this mean, (I am trying to understand by correlating this to Star Rail/Genshin)
I can spend XX stamina to grind specific sets in a arena; and also, I can try my luck in overworld by killing enemies and hoping I get a gear piece of a pool of sets tagged to a monster species?
It will be very difficult for Kuro to balance games between people who grind the daily minimum relics and those who spend many hours in farming relics... but then also these grinders will be unhappy because they are limited by the gear "Tuners".
Are Tuners also decoupled from stamina usage, and you can earn as much as possible without any time gate?
There could be a really easy fix. Just show the substats and rolls, but you still have to unlock them. So you can choose in which echo to invest and how far to invest. (I don't know if this has been mentioned by others before, I am sure it has). Like you can see on a +0 that it has crit rate and damage as 3rd and 4th unlock and 5th has flat def. So you invest until the 4th unlock and ignore the 5th, but can still max the echo to +25 for the main.
Defeats the purpose of giving you unlocking sub materials
@@Hanabis924not really since they mentioned you would still need to unlock them. The difference is that instead of hiding the game would show the substat so you would be better informed before investing in a piece.
@@mikereyes2269Nah they wont do it, its too op that way because you can already infinitely grind echos meaning if that's the case you'll have infinite amount of options to choose to invest. They made it blank purposely. If they want to make it better, i suggest the refund system getting buffed so if you feed an echo with substats you can also unlock substats on another echo, not just the exp
@@ryanbenedict2754 that sounds better, and if you destroy the echo they could refund 4 of 5 unlock substat item, that would be enough to make it less grindy
Maybe a middle ground would be to make it so the substats are unlocked automatically,but you can use the stamina gated resource to re roll the substat. This way hard core players can grind and be rewarded for it but casual players can just use the resource to get what they want.
another MrPokke & SweetilyVT Collab Video? and it's about Wuthering Waves??? time to grab the popcorn
also loved the latest episode of Gachacast where you both were in kudos to all the CCs featured too
i think the way to approach things is to lean to the casuals on the QOL stuff to where its not so grindy but lean on the hardcore players in some endgame aspects cuz we see genshin fail in the hardcore aspect by only having abyss but succeed anywhere else, where as HSR achieved a relatively good balance in both having really nice Casual and Hardcore experience
I think one thing they could do to keep both player types happy is to adjust the tacet fields. For example let you choose which echos appear in it and all of them have 4 substats unlocked automatically. This way you do no have to spend even more stamina to unlock stats while players who prefer to hunt echos in the overworld still need to farm with stamina to unlock substats. So one group doesnt have an advantage over the other besides time investment.
*LISTENING*
I love this pairing, I hope you guys will continue to collab.
0:02 LMAO.. I'm dead😂😂😂😂
honestly PGR already have the better system for the substat (affix or resonance, i dont know the term for global because i only play PGR CN), Kuro should use that instead
1. fixed number stat no min-max rng, maybe just give different number based on the rarity from blue to yellow, for example blue have fixed 15 ATK substat while yellow have fixed 50 ATK something like that
2. can reroll substat with the same kind of item (memories in PGR, echoes in WW), so there's no unused echoes
3. introduce substat selector item on the future patch (PGR have this already)
oh and just let the echoes can be used for the exp too and can be salvaged (maybe from purple and yellow only) for exp and/or some currency for echoes shop or something
I think they should implement what they did with PGR with this.
If it's not broken, don't fix it
I'm fine with main stat rng, hell even the substat. Just let us reroll using echo and tuner.
longterm, getting the main stat shouldn't be a problem, because you'll get a lot of echoes as you're moving around the map even without having the intention to farm. You can be just exploring, questing, doing dailies and get echoes along the way, basically any monster encounter.
A lot of casuals don't even know what domain to farm and for who. but echoes being in the open even casuals will find themelves having a bunch of echoes just laying around unused.
And casuals are casual for a reason, they don't care about the max crit roll. They wanna collect characters, do the story, explore, any artifact talk is for the grinders.
It works only if you don’t reach struggles in main story which some casual had even in Genshin (Tartaglia pre nerfed version) and HSR (Bug boss). So if WuWa pretend to have skill based parry and dodge gameplay … those type of casual might reach problems very fast
A calm voice cooking you is genuinely crazy
genuinely
Thank you for the upload. Glad to see this issue more explained in depth upon where as in gachacast it was kind of argued when fob brought it up. I kind of feel like I learned more about the game at its state here than the podcast lol. Its good to hear more of sweetily's opinion of the game aswell.
It's definitely a going to be an issue in the long term and going to cause burnout even for the hardcore players so i hope they fix/slightly change the issue with the echo system. If they don't, theres just no way i see players even lasting a couple of month.
Guests cooking back Pokke is the content that I never thought I wanted to see 🤣
Thanks for the Video
So yeah, the echo system is way too grindy if you want to build a good or even min max your pokemon
no ways, people criticizing the game! thats crazy! thank god. i dont expect this game to come out for about a year from now. its way too undercooked as a game to release soon. if it does, it will die VERY quickly
The game is very buggy(enemy ai, story progression and more) and some systems are just very bad(like the one talked in the video), the localisation is complete dogwater and there's only 1 VA available... Its giving tof vibes, hopefully they know what they doing releasing this game this early.
1 hour SIMPOKKE
not even 3 seconds in video and bro already getting roasted
I left a similar comment to Sweetily's sentiments in the Gachasmack video praising Echoes, and I was met with disregard and people telling me to go play Genshin if I wanted my time to be respected. These online communities really seem to be just mindless echo chambers even if the content creators themselves are alright.
It's just former Genshin players acting like genshin is their ex-gf or something and just supporting everything that is not Genshin
Also you're right about echo chambers
The ex-genshintards are evolving into Wuwatards, we can't escape the braided community T.T I just want this game to be successful and that won't happen without casual players
@@tivaen what are you even on about
@@tivaen holy fucking cringe
Sweetily is 1. BASED lore enjoyer 2. best account ever 3. omega BASED whale 4. Firefly enjoyer 5. insane LEAKERS 6. non drama farmer 7. smart account reviewer 8. Ayayaya user 9. Makes Pokke L his rizz 10. Better interviewer like fr SSSSS TIER GIGACHAD
Whales are never based. Neither are f2p. Basically, if you play gacha games, you will never be BASED.
Glad you guys are both doing this and also Sparkle collab analysis soon?
That was an interesting conversation
Thanks for content
nah i'd simp
I was there on the creation of this holy thumbnail in 30seconds
31:25 this made me laugh so much listening to it at 1.5 speed (and only bc of Sweetily, usually I listen at 2.0)
So it's either you become a hardcore sweaty gamer and get good at the game or you spend loads and loads of time grinding to get your character to that level where the content is easier to do. Basically you can't be casual no matter what
Tbh PGR wasn't really that great for casuals as well
@s924yup thats why it doesnt have a lot of revenue, is on pair with gachas released years ago that we consider mostly niche already, they madea mobile game that is almost impossible to play on mobile and also hardcore, pc market is not tat big in asia compared to mobile
Sad coz hardcore gamers have no money. That’s why they need to spend time instead of money. Not good for Kuro for revenue lmao
@@CzDelta92that's not why you're misinformed. The reason for their revenue is that they did no advertising for PGR like they did Wuwa. Literally nothing. You might as well delete your comment.
@@YelIowNikes what do you mean they didnt advertise it, every cc played it lmao and all of them got filtered by it with the difficulty, heck ToF which we joke about being dead makes more money than pgr, none of the big ccs continued playing it, same with Wuwa rn just look at tectone and mtashed, they played like a day and are already done, they dont wanna "burn out" they cant backtrack after they pretend this game was the best thing ever, theres games less advertised than pgr that are literally japan only and are doing better financially, this is due to the game not being friendly for mobile and japan/china is not a huge pc market to play it, just look at nikke, i barely see people mention it or any ads about the game yet is competing with genshin rn, a fun accessible game is what makes revenue and making it too complicated for a mobile game drives mobile players away, this is not me hating the game just telling you what makes mobile games successful, for a pc game Wuwa is not peak combat, so is competing on a platform with other alternatives and genshin is mostly played on mobiles in china, even if it is x5 easier and only has 2 buttons is annoying to play on mobile specially without a top tier phone, try playing pgr and Wuwa on mobile without those fancy gamer attachments and youll see what i mean, this is why the switch won the console war too, handheld console for working people and casual audiences, ps and xbox are so far behind microsoft is considering not making more xbox in the future lmao ps is super dwarfed too but not doing as bad in the asian market, it still has a niche there.
@MrPokke this issue with the echoes can easily fixed by, Make it so that the substats will be shown but greyed out, you won't still be able to get substats without using the timed resource but, atleast you will know what substat you will get if you upgrade it. This will save resources from being dumped into a useless pc.
Then there would be no point in having the tuning material in the first place because at that point, just make it work like genshin artifacts
@@RomBeams8840 true i like that too just drop genshin artifacts except don't make the substat upgrade like they are rn
@@RomBeams8840 that would make the gear grind infinite lol
@Wolfyyy Exactly. That's the issue. It would also be infinite with the first suggestion cause I could, for example, just farm a 3 cost Echo until I see perfect subs and then use my tuning device. There's no real win for Kuro who probably has this current system to inflate playtime like "Oh look, they're playing our game for hours, surely it's good" when we're only doing this cause of the echo system. Its just a yoink and twist on genshin's system but more coop friendly
@@RomBeams8840i think they can just make the substats unlock when u lvl up the echos and time gate the exp to lvl them up, like u can get enough exp a day to lvl up 4 echos to lvl 25 maybe, so we can still feed one echo to another without losing too much mats
dude his videos with sweetily are ACTUALLY my favorite they're so good together!
Another point Mr. Pokke, if the echo drop rate is low, they should fill the world up with just 2 or 3 times the echoes they have rn
Sweetily coming in with them BASED takes
After the podcast, thid is what I need
I come from jRPG MMO and i quite know this kind of sh1t. I'm not 14 anymore and if a game does not respect my time I'm not even downloading it.
Even unnecessary loadings are annoying to me.
Regarding the echoes, I think they kinda want to make it like their PGR memories thing. But here instead of rerolling using the same memories set (Or echoes) they makes you to farm the tunner. I think we don't need those kind of things what a bad designs tbh.
I mean in PGR we can easily buy our memories set from event shop and leveling it easily. But if you need a better "Substat" (or resonances) you need a couple of the same memories for it to roll a random stat for your memories, or you can just used the usb for custom substat you desire.
I'm fine with the farming echoes over the world and I think it's fun, since I also playing monster hunter game where's you need to kill monster to get their materials and farm for talisman for stat. But I just don't like it when I know that you need to farm for exp material and tunner material, bcs that's a lot of thing to do tbh, and especially when you can't get back the tunner when you feed your bad exhoes like bruh.
thats my impression too, the only way the current system could make sense, its actually using the same tunning mat to reroll substats, so after u grind the echo on the world, then u just burn stamina daily to farm rerolls.
i think it's what they need to do but also refund a number of tunner in relation with the number of stats unlock like 1 each 2 stats (1or2 = 1 tunner, 3or4 = 2 tunners, 5 = 3 tunners)@@NeDixTV
@@NeDixTV yeah, I mean spending 80 stamina just for exp and tunner is bulshit bruh. That's a lot of stamina, and you can't get back the tunner when you feed the echoes too? That's sad tbh.
Bruh i played Monster hunter World but i don't like the system
@@kmzwanabe4683 tbf they're not perfect as well. At least in MH Rise Sunbreak, they have better system to farm Deco's since you can uses melding to get it and have better chance to get a good Deco's, especially if you're in the end game it's much easier now to get it. But what make it worse is you need to leveling up your rank first and that's take a lot of time.
Learning Conversational Mandarin (w/ MrPokke and Sweetily)
Lesson 1: "SB" 😇
Really wish all these gacha game developers will get the hint already that people hate it when there’s RNG introduced into the character stats building system. As if there wasn't already a grind due to every bloody damn thing in the game from the character's level to each of their individual skills needs to be levelled up.
PGR dont have rng on their gears, but they are far from being a market success. So you asking the same company to do what they have been doing and expect that they hope can profit more? Oh my gahd! So brilliant!
@@senelclark101hmm, makes sense.
They just need to refund the unlock substat item when u destroy/feed the echo.
And they should remove flat substat like atk hp and def, that would make the RNG more generous, and it wouldn't break the game or make it much easier.
Sweetily just cooking you is hilarious.
In my opinion, the hardcore part of the game should stay on the gameplay, not the grinding, like it or hate it, casuals are the bulk of every popular game's community, with popularity comes money and with money comes more content, for casuals and hardcore players alike, in my case, i have a lot of time to maybe play this at least 4 hours a day, but i bet i would be like 10% of the player base, they got me with the gameplay, as long as they continue expanding their gameplay i will be fine with whatever QOL stuff they add to keep the casuals in, i mean the casuals are basically the ones paying to keep my fav game running i can't be mad at them XDDD
Or better yet make it a farmable thing also def want garenteed echo very important bc those stat rng is absolutely mind boggling
People who say casuals ruin the game by asking for some change in the current Wuwa system either are still in school or have too much free time for their own good. I work a day job from 8 to 4:30 or 5 everyday except weekend. When I got home I need to make food, eat, clean up then I will have time to play around 7. Im not gonna spend my next 3 hour grinding for potentially negative resources. Sure I can play on the weekend but why should that time sunk be necessary when I can just farm relics and get the shitty rng out of the way in 15-20 minutes and then go have fun with the open world???? The problem here is not that "the casual can't catch up" the problem is "why spend that much time rolling for gear" if I need to farm for something that is time gated or amount gated just let it be done with in 20 minutes so I can just go beat up a boss for fun withou caring about the farming for that day
Play Genshin not Wuwa. Kuro Games caters to hardcore gamers especially if you played PGR their previous title you'd know. Echoes in WW are literally artifacts you can farm indefinitely on the overworld literally removing the resin problem. Who does that cater to? Not you obviously.
Genshin is the open world anime game for casuals like you because you can only play 10 minutes and GTFO js. It's also the reason I hate Genshin is on PlayStation cause you can barely play. I'm tired of this criticism cause everything Kuro tries to different people want them to copy Genshin but somehow it's a clone. Hardcore gamers have jobs too shit argument. I know plenty of people who play both Warframe and RuneScape grindy ass games and they work full time.
@@YelIowNikesdid you even watch the video you're on??? Echoes ARE stamina gated. If you're going to be weird and gate-keepy in this community please keep it to yourself. Reminds me of those annoying genshin stans
@@Coach_RenI'm replying to his comment which deems he doesn't like the og farming system from most MMOs/RPGS he likes resin cause it takes 10 minutes. And I'm saying if that's what you want stick it with Genshin. We don't need another Genshin 2.0 cause all these casuals wanna convert after getting shafted by Hoyo for 3 years. And when it comes to echoes you can farm them indefinitely with no resin at a lower rate. So no it's NOT gated.
@@YelIowNikes you can farm echoes infinitely but you can't level them, because you can't see the substats, without investing rare or stamina gated materials. So you'll be drowning in echoes you can't upgrade. It's not removing the stamina problem it's just pushing it somewhere else
Not wanting to sink time into this is totally fine. Ideally there would be a way to do both. Basically invest stamina to quickly farm echoes, but still have access to the overworld for those who want to invest time for more chances at the echo they want
This guy is totally justified in how they feel, and the mature answer to criticism like this isn't "go play another game" like those annoying genshin players tell others
@@YelIowNikesindefinitely is a generous choice of word considering you can fight like 10 of them on the map and it's not guanrantee drop and on top of that it's ridiculous that I have to make friends with rando to farm more. This game's character is gacha centered. You cannot have a game with gacha system revolve around hardcore player only. It literally kill the game player base. And although it's bad that Genshin gatekeep hardcore player, the opposite is just equally as bad. Why would you want to gatekeep casual player out of a non-MMO game?????? And the more successful this game does it's gonna be better for all player hardcore included.
On another note, I want to expand my point. The game can by all mean have open world farming and endgame boss fight, BUT for one a lot the Echo farming is not even fun gameplay, it's as far and few between as like hunting down lawachurl in Genshin. So if it's that tedious make it guarantee or just have alternative way of getting gear. It's infuriating farming for an hour maybe two if you have ppl you can world hop to and at the end of the day instead of gaining resource you lose resource. What's the point then other than literally wasting your time???? It's different if you do a fight against a big boss and get drops which I believe there are boss like that, but farming trash mob that doesn't respawn when there is only like 5-10 of them on the map is just trying to waste your time
Edit: vocab
The mats will be okay if they add a way to get it through event like pgr
But there's no guarantee event give those for wuwave
I can just cope thy do it ig if no change
I thought the rate will be 80/90% echo drop when you kill the monsters but it 20% ….. damn that so low
32:10 LISTENING
Watching the podcast, then seeing this title...... Yes.
PROTEC Sweetily her takes are too on point!
I'd like to, when you completely level up your echo (full level + all sub stats) you get 100% cashback when you use it as a food, including the subs stats materials
hope they fix this somehow because i always have this problem in gachas and i´m a bit tired
so the CC that they talked about in the 3rd video was used to work in the industry, that's why he talked more about the big picture of this game.
Ah so this means it's kind of like warframe's grind where you spend a lot of time but might not get what you need at the end.
Recommendations to tweek the game loop would be to have increased the spawn rates for echos or turn it into a catch sim like palworld-with relations to that last part, gords to capture easier are made from enemy drops; "artifact domains" in WW also drops substat enhancer dust that can rng bless your substats by lil or a ton (might as well go all in into rng) to alleviate the artifact rng and reward consistent and returning play.
Sweetily's voice is a blessed as always.
I also think they should make it so that.......u can just turn the echoes into EXP so all the ones that are garbage, u can toss
0:14 AYO WHAT XD
Welcome to another episode of Listening to Sweetily roasting MrChokke HAH
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They should garentee a overworld echo drop and make it so dat u get 3 free rolls so u only have to spend 1 once to get the stat ya i love dis change
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i think casual player won't be hindered if you reduce the farming restriction to cater to hard core players, but the hard core players will be hindered if you increase the farming restriction to cater to casual players. i also think that even some casual player will do some grinding when they do have time. So i think it's best for everyone if they reduce the farming restriction, ie increase drop rate, reduce respawn cd of monsters, reduce stamina cost, refund materials when you feed 1 echo to another.
I also think it'd be cool to add a downgrade function where you can down grade an echo with 5 sub stats to lvl0, removing all sub stats and refund all the materials, or just refund the toning materials since he said you can only get 30 of them per month, and not refund the exp since it's easier to get. It'll be great for when you get an echo with good main stats but bad sub stats, then you can upgrade it again and hopefully it gives you better sub stats, but you won't have to farm the echo and the refunded material again for the main stats.
And add a sub stat inheritance function where you can lvl up an echo to max lvl without unlocking their sub stats, then feed an echo with good sub stats to it, and it gets that echo's sub stat. This will be good for when you get good stats on an echo you don't want or a mismatching echo, like some really good offensive stats on a defensive type echo, and you can put those on an offensive echo instead.
Or add a function where you can change your main stats or choose your sub stats.
And, considering they made so many different sub stats and it's so hard to get crit, they can just remove the flat hp and flat def.
As for now, everything in the echo system is RNG based, you even need RNG to get an echo to drop on top of RNG of the main and sub stats, and the material to unlock sub stats is restricted to a very small number (30/month), it'll be very hard to players to get good echos. Not only will the casuals feel like they won't ever be able to get a good one because they don't grind, but the hard core players will feel like even if they grind all day they still can't get a good one. So adding 1 or more of the functions i suggested above should help with the problem. At the very least you want the hard core players to feel like they're guaranteed some good echos from grinding.
the thing about echos not droping u can farm them in resin thingys just like jenshin artifacts to so
Yeah but rn, boss tacet field(domain) doesnt give boss echo and mob one has two echo set so its like 50/50 to get the right set. Imo they should let us reroll substats using those tuner or trash echo of the same level same like pgr. Also let us use low lvl echo for exp.
@@anyaforgors If they are going to give use more tuners sure. However I'm not sure how well this will work
@@anyaforgors to be honest if people will give helpful feedback kuro will change it because fr 4 star echos have no use now if u got 5 star ones no to mention that even max level pokedex would give you rng to on rarity
I honestly would want like a system where I could spend stamina and select the enemies I need and kill them all like a custom domain for the days I cant always spend 2 hours playing
I dont mind the system, but they need to make it more accessible I guess. Not everyone can spend several hours just grinding eventhough I kind of like it
They're definitely going to nikke route. in release it's possible they didn't change anything but add a stats reroll material and stats lock material that you can farm with stamina. If that's the case it's definitely similar to farming a new relics/arti.
this is worse when you realise you are capped behind stamina...
I think based on peoples complaints they will implement some kind of system to target stats and eliminate a lot of the RNG.
So on the topic of those echos. Are the max lvl domains already unlocked on the beta of WW? Because as someone who didn't play the beta it sounds like it's artifact farming in genshin/star rail before the max lvl domains are open.
Haven't played PGR so not sure if they already have a similar system there but Kuro just needs to implement a substat re-roll and substat selector stuff in WuWa. Just allow players to sell/dismantle unwanted echoes then use the byproduct of that to purchase said stuff.
Something like:
*Substat selector* requires high amounts of sold/dismantled echoes with a few and limited purchases monthly but guarantees you get whatever substats you choose on whatever echo you want.
*Substat re-roll* less sold/dismantled echoes needed, more purchases available monthly. Still has RnG involved but atleast players can re-roll substats of echoes with good main stats with whatever echo set the player needs.
That would also make grinding and farming echoes more meaningful as even unwanted echoes have a use and wont be a waste of space in the inventory.
they have its buyed with a gamemode currency they could put it in the tower of adversity shop
They can just reduce the rgn of the substats and implement a simple pokemon battle system (similar to Genshin TCG) and put the rng in the CP of the monsters, so hardcore/pvp players will still grind all day but for monsters with high CP and shinys while casuals won't struggle to get good substats.
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@11:33 I wonder if they could have special Domain relic pieces which would allow you to have a reduced range of spread of the sub stat pieces, but unable to hit the higher pieces. Right now it looks like the minimum substats are half or a third of the highest possible value. Let's say domain pieces can give you a range of 0.6 - 0.8, which makes the base value feel less bad, but good enough for it to be worth the energy needed for domains for the average player, but leaves the open world farming for the hardcore / players with more time to get more reward as they chase the high high rolls.
Think of it like getting a solid gear for main stat and good enough sub stats. Might be a step in the direction Kuro would like to take since they seem to like being in the middle for both player bases. Or better yet just buff the value of all sub stats to be around 0.65 - 1.00 of max stat. Crit DMG would still be between 13 to 20 a 7 point difference, but feels way better even if you "lose" to the min roll.
40:25, if they want to keep the relic sub stat unlock system, it'd feel way better if they were to allow us a certain number of free substat unlocks either by default, or if you had a piece that had some unlocked then fed it to another relic then the new relic will have some "charged up" from the previous relic. Kind of like how in Star Rail you'd upgrade a piece to +3,+6 or +9 to see if it hits on crit critdmg or spd, something usuable before continuing upgrading the piece all the way to +15.
42:55 maybe some kind of echo material like the relic salavage in star rail where it allows you to synthesise one of the echos giving you something guaranteed for every mob you kill allowing hardcore players to grind more and synthesise more? Or a combination of both guaranteed drops and synthesis materials.
What if they gave you daily lets call it Echo-balls that you throw at the enemy and it guarantees the capture? om
I feel like this should not be a problem because the solution is already widely in use. You just implement a pity system that allows dupes of echoes to be turned into a stat selector/stat enhancer.
This is the easiest solution this game will likely face. There literally is no downside.
Fortunately, the PGR system in this regard was perfect. Within the patch you can easily and confidently max your character. If you get lucky it just happens faster and you save up some other resources. As a result, you never regret logging in and you still get the high and benefit of the occasional amazing RNG saving you some farming time that patch. But that good experience makes you look forward to doing it again with a new character the next patch, unlike the bad experience of having your time thrown away which obviously makes you look for a better way to spend it.
I think they should remove the tuning system altogether, because as it stands you need both exp and tuners to unlock substats which results in a lose lose situation when you decide to upgrade an artifact
O my, this is a terrible system. Farming to get the sub, then farm again to upgrade the stat. That is beyond stupid.
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Imho, echo substats should unlock automatically when you level it up but at the same time, you are allowed to use substat materials at level 0 to see what substats you'll get
just have the ability to reroll a substat is the way to solve this
also rerolled substat costs the same item as you unlock the 1st substat and so-on but the starting substat value also in RNG, and then just by leveling the echos will RNG gain the stat values in substat
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I really can't wait for this game to come out so I can see the differences or similarities between this games playerbase to the Genshin playerbase. Because this game will most likely cater a lot to hardcore players rather than causal players, and I wonder how that will differentiate when it comes to sales of characters.
Since I feel like people will care a lot more about meta or how the gameplay of the character is compared to the story or personality of the character. And I'm not saying Genshin doesn't have those types of players, but I feel like it's going to be even more prominent in Wuwa.
I love Genshin (Hoyoverse games in general) and I can't wait to play this game when it comes out, but I will probably play F2P since so far, none of the characters interest me design wise except for female Rover and Yinlin (I prefer her old outfit tho). My opinion might change once I try the characters out, but the gameplay will have to hard carry the characters for me to want to get them.
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Lemme start by saying, theres clearly room for improvement for the gear system. That being said........
Idk how this is any different than the bs we go through with HSR. Like there are people who have been playing since day one, who barely have a single ER rope and were FORCED to go to Sim Uni to get planar pieces, cause theres no other resource, which no one likes. Yes the ranges for stats are pretty vast in WW, but how is that different or worse, than relics in HSR?
Then as far as "its gonna take forever to gear your whole team", i mean, isnt that the case in every gacha? Ive played Epic 7 for over a year, dont have good gear. Ive farmed the follow up domain in HSR since it released, dont have a good set for Topaz. and i dont know how people can consider the ability to farm gear in the open world for no stamina, as a "negative"
I also think its ironic, that they mention the devs arent catering to either hardcore or casual well, that theres a disconnect. But then they mention things that dont effect casuals or hardcore. Like Pokke is speaking about relics, from a MIN MAX mindset. Casual players are just gonna shoot for mainstats and then go with what ever. So theyre saying that will affect the casuals, but they wont care. I also always think its dumb when casuals complain that they have less than a hardcore player, like thats just a given and a personal choice. You cant play 20 mins a day and expect to have the same progress as someone who plays a couple hours.
They also mentioned you can farm echo sets in tacet fields, but cant get the specific echo you want. But like...........thats every game lmao. Also they talked about sometimes echos dont drop in the open world or getting the right rarity, but you can fix that by leveling your data bank and leveling it isnt hard. You can have it to where you only find purples/golds and they drop a lot, in like a day.
Plus i think we have to consider that the scarcity of the Sub Stat unlock materials, could be attributed to the fact its the beta. When the game actual drops and we play for a bit, we might be swimming in them.
Now....should they maybe refund some of them upon feeding your echos? Yes. Should we get exp from dismantling echos? Yes. They can obviously improve some things, but i think the CN community are overblowing things as usual and that we need to see how they adapt to the feedback from this CBT, upon release. I think everything will pan out fine.
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So it's basically what I'm getting from this is, yk how you enemies some times drop artefacts in the open world. Here you only get artefacts like that but the level up mats for artefacts are locked behind stamina.
Or am I completely off base.
quite close, as you can also get the echoes from that same domain that you get the tuning material
@@aratabhistBut the drop rates are horrible for that domain despite the 60 stamina cost, hence sweetily calling it a scam
40:50 for the tl:dw people
this is mmo grinding territory
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16:05 if it doesn't cost that much to get that material it should be fine no? Or where else you'll use your stamina other than gold and upgrade material
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Lol that's basically the identical UI to honkai
how bad it really is in the end, come down to how available these tuners are, in my opinion... but I think if they should add something like if you feed an echo that has already X amount of substats to another one, that new echo gets the amount of substats the fodder echo had or smth like that
They are pretty rare. They are barely in any chests except the most rare chests, you can purchase a limited amount of them per *month*, and really the only way to get them once you've collected all the chests in the overworld is to use stamina to farm them. It costs 60 stamina and usually only 1 drops. 5 are needed for each echo.
@@madscientist3800 well that's a problem... they would have to make them more accessable in that case, otherwhise the system will feel TERRIBLE.
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