UL50 is Disappointing, Potential MASSIVE Mistranslation | Wuthering Waves
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- In this video, MrPokke discusses the problem after reaching Union Level 50 and the rewards it provides in Wuthering Waves, and also a massive mistranslation regarding the 1.1 dev notes.
Steparu vid: • UL50 ALL DROPS Rewards...
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0:00 Intro
0:51 Weekly Drops
1:59 Forgery Challenge Drops (Skills and Weapon Ascension)
4:39 Tacet Fields Drops and Rants
8:26 Thoughts on Union Level 60+ and Game's Pacing
9:53 Field Bosses Drops (Character Ascension)
10:43 Simulation Training Drops
11:20 Number of Materials Required to Level Up Characters
14:45 Gold Drops Possible at Union Level 60? (Speculation)
17:00 Conclusion
18:11 Revisiting Dev Notes 1.1
18:38 Dev Notes Mistranslation
21:02 Tacet Fields Test Runs (Drops Double Check)
22:32 Outro
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Crazy how some ppl are at UL50 already and here i am, a day 1 player still at UL42 just taking my time.
Cuz they're using crystal solvent, no?
yall are at ul 4x im at ul 36
We use astrites for UL
@@Hm-cd2wj if you do the math all the solvents given so far is probably 1-2 level if you're somewhere in UL40 range, using all your solvents wont get you to UL50. 40 waveplates is 300 exp and 60 waveplates is 450 exp we've received roughly 30 - 35 crystal solvents and that's 60 energy each so roughly 13.5k to 15.7k exp. That person is refreshing his energy to get that far.
@@Hm-cd2wj Not only this, they also probably are refreshing with Astrite. People who played 24/7 in first week that I know are nearing to 47-48.
Please Kuro, just lower tacet field to 40 plates. Thats all it needs 😅
Edit: Honestly, I'm saying that it's all it's need because I want to be able to go do other things with my stamina too after doing a few runs on tacet field. I still want to level and build my other characters. 60 plates per run just really limits me to pick if I want to progress with just my Echos today or with my Forte, level, weapon, etc. Most of the time I will pick my character progression over tacet field. But that might just be me and maybe everyone is just running tacet field 24/7.
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nah they can just put a stage in where you ONLY get echo xp
@@shirio45idk about you dude but I actually appreciate that you can farm 3 cost echos too. I was able to get a couple of on set elem % pieces while farming ehco exp
@@shirio45but ofc having both as an option would be nice
20 plates better than 40 plates
just put more rewards to it. lowering plate means we have to repeat more when farming those.
As a CN reader, that sentence actually can interpret into 2 different ways:
1. From v1.1 and upcoming events
2. Events in v1.1 and onwards
It’s a bit hard to confirm if the sentences means the former or later, I guess we only can wait till the official release.
I guess they left it up to interpretation
What it means is unclear, but there is 100% a mistranslation, due to "events" being missing from the description
It's very unlikely it means the first one. It would be a very peculiar way of saying it if that is actually the meaning, since in Chinese it would be very odd to call versions events with that wording
as long as there is a incremental increase, it doesn't really matter where the tubes come from
need to UP this, everyone in EN think we will have increase in farming
but CN does not mean that, creators need to bring up this tho
"Just wait for rewards until UL 60 man. Then until UL 70. Then until UL80. And after UL80, please stop complaining, haven't you played this way for 80 levels?"😂
The community in a nutshell.
Why does this sound like the 10000 hours of black mage video
Typical whining babies whining about there being no content lol
ohh i have news to you that's what basicallly all gacha game is 🤣🤣
drop here an example of a gacha game without a timegated stamina system? 🤣
"Just uninstall if you dont like it"
i made a post on reddit days ago saying how bad it's going to be and they still dont really understand that it's going to take like 15+ days PER CHAR from 70-80 if you're starved for materials across the board.... I got down voted into oblivion using BASIC MATH.....I got told im new to gachas... funny considering im max lvl in pretty much all of them lol.....
They also think they are playing smart by hording materials for when they get to Union lvl 50 but again i dont think they understand that even if you're hoarding the moment you're able to further lvl your char all those "save" materials get soaked up almost immediately on like 1 char, and then you're starved just like everyone else.
It might even be worst because i forgot the factor in 1 day a week you HAVE to do weekly bosses because they are super important and if it takes like 15+ days to farm out all the mats you'll have to pause your grind a day for those.
BUT DEV LISTENED
reddit isnt the place for telling people facts.
They’ll say “oh but devs listen, they said they’ll address it”. I’ll believe it when I see it cuz any company can just acknowledge things but who knows how they’ll actually respond
dont worry kuro good and hoyo is bad so they will respect the player time /s
@@ucngominh3621 yep go back echopicking for 5 hours per day
having to farm both tuners and echo exp is so ass.. they should just get rid of tuners and stick to echo exp imo
good idea for us bad idea for a company tryna make money
With no refresh I have 4 godroll echo sets and ill have my traces maxed before 1.1, its fine imo, you can get free tuners from so many sources
@@nalotwo surely everyone also has "4 godroll echo sets"
@@nalotwobruh moment
@@nalotwo Free tuners are very limited what are you saying
Good thing people are ahead. They will be able to test and submit feedback. And once I'm at this level, it will be optimized. Thanks
I was thinking the same thing.
Kuro has been super receptive. Hopefully whales keep pointing out the flawed game design, kuro will then fix it within 1-2 weeks and drop another ten pulls. Looking good for f2ps.
Echo system is easily the weakest part of this game. It's insane if they'll just put an event of double drops and not address the main issue which is expensiveness in resource and drop rate in tacet fields.
BUT GOTTA CATCH EM ALL BETTER THAN GENHIN COULD NEVER
@@Dendyaryadi cringe but i agree i like passively farming echoes while exploring and getting my quests done. but the main issue is the lack of exp and tuners and a temporary event isnt going to fix those issues theyre just bandaid fixes
@@Miwhe bruh you said tectone opinion cringe ? that is the best part of wuthering wave is the pokemon part surely people won't get bored from this right ?
@@Dendyaryadi no im saying that the fact that you bring up genshin when it has nothing to do with this game is cringe, just play the game you like you dont gotta let that game live rent free in your head
@@Miwhe Yeah. I don't even know why tuners exist. It's just another layer of resource when upgrading the echo itself is expensive already.
Well, looks like we can probably expect another 10 pull soon for that epic mistranslation
I'd rather the game be fixed over free anything. I could have every char if the game is bad imma quit. It's that simple.
They've been fixing everything so far, so I'd rather they mess up and quickly respond and give us free pulls and a fix for all our problems@@LieutenantMerks
@@LieutenantMerks U dumb or what lol. 1st, hes joking, (If hes not, then->) 2nd, if kuro compensate player - means problems are fixed, and translation will be fixed too. 3rd, if problems are fixed, then the game and the gameplay will be good and better. Isn't that simple?
It's not actually a straight up mistranslation. EN announcement didn't say they will buff Tacet Fields. They left it vague so it's still technically correct.
I hit 50 today and ran some tests.
I think the forgeries are actually worth. The purple is guaranteed and a gold is more likely then 40-49. Maybe i had bad luck in 40-49, but i was averaging one purple every 3-4 runs. In close to 50 runs, i got a single gold.
Tacit fields are awful still. 2-3 golds. Id genuinely wait till the 1.1 buff before farming tacit fields regardless of your UL.
The money is only about an 8k increase? IIRC, it was 72000 at 40-49. Its 80k at 50. Overall it seems more valuable to powerfarm early.
Weapon and character xp isn't that great either. 3-4 golds. Feels bad to lose the 50/50.
Boss mats are 3-4.
72k for 30, and 76k at 40 for the credits. holy crap they give 4k more each level.
it seems kuro intentionally slow the pacing of progression down with easy access to gold echos which just creates more incentive to refresh
Yep this exactly... and on top of that, they're handing out the selectable echoes like candy in the rewards. The community thinks the devs are being generous, but in reality, the echoes aren't the limited resource, it's the EXP and stamina.
The game is 1 month old and you've already wanted progressing perfect echoes and reaching endgame? Cmon man
@@giangtrinhtruong7952bro it's crazy out here
Frustrations with the systems aren't invalidated just because they aren't able to have ideal builds early.
The issues that are present will persist for future players & in later stages of the game, it's better to address the issues early.
Yeah, getting infinitely gold echoes at early month, there's always a catch for that, never knew a gacha game has inflation rate, so all that gold echoes actually are garbage, unless you're rich man throwing money for echo exp
It's wild when you think about how in Genshin most people were only getting purple artifacts after like 2 months. Being the first kid on the block really lets you get away with everything. Genshin weapon domains only guarantee blues and greens at MAX LEVEL. Similarly, you could spend a month in an Artifact domain and come out with zero upgrades. I don't have a single usable set of the Bond of Life set and I've farmed it since it came out. I dunno, seems like people are in a hurry to "finish" this game. I'd rather they give me more Illusive Realm content so I can farm for 5 minutes a day then actually do something fun.
Yes but you can use those bad artifacts to strongbox or as artifact exp. Unlike echoes.
@@SundayMatinee Its not about hoarding its about people already have perfect or near perfect echoes with perfect subs while in hoyo game they couldnt even have a single legendary relic with proper main stat after a 1 or 1.5 month since release.
its just the mintpickers coping since that's what they want their devs to do to their mintpicking game 🤣
guess what nearly 4years of stockholm they finally get to express their unheard voices 😂🤣 since their devs are always deaf to them 😂
@@SundayMatinee yes but you get limited amount of them each day,it s the same like exp,the reason you feel they give you alot of them because you have less number artifact that you want to roll
@@itsallinthepast2944 I'd still argue Genshin is just a side-grade to what WuWa got. F2p will not feel the sting as much since only focus on 2 or 3 teams for both games. As a whale though, which I was in Genshin and most likely will be again for WuWa, maxing out everyone will be rough and tedious.
WuWa is also less reliant on brainless button mashing letting the passives from gear carry. Echo passives here also don't do a lot compared to Genshin or other game's systems. Like Steparu said in the vid, weapons however have big boosts on ascending so that may be the better focus. Might be why exp grind is limited to encourage active play instead of winning via RNG grindfest. Anyone who has played Pokemon Gold/Silver can attest to that notion lol. And tbh that's why I've made WuWa my main game over Genshin nowadays.
They should really have rewards for every level tbh
true this the only gacha where u dont at least get something for leveling, i hit ul42 today and i was like oh well ig it doesnt matter at all lol
There's the big rewards each milestones though.
@@nekonochesire6023 in hsr you get rewards for every level as well as get rewards when u reach a certain level like 5,10,15
I get a bit confused when games do this, why have levels if they are not functioning as a meaningful means of progression? Why not simply extend the exp it takes to get to the next level? Because level 41-44 is just progression from 40-45, they could just make it 1 level and it would be the same thing, since you only get the rewards at 45.
And at least should have free 3 pull from their ascension unit, even tho some still calling that was bad game 🗿
I find it funny even if that is not a full translation some people are also completely ignoring the major statement they made. Those are the immediate adjustments being pushed out in 1.1 WHILE they internally discuss how to address other major concerns with echoes.
I’m not saying to expect anything from any dev or players can’t express concerns, but there will be further changes beyond 1.1 unless they straight lied.
People have to realize the ability to dump 100% of your stamina into ascension + skill mats, exp, etc. while still getting gear on the side if you want to spend extra time on the game is something they have to be careful of otherwise people will min-max too fast and not have a reason to play. Not to mention being able to freely swap echoes and weapons in endgame rather than them being locked to one side. That’s why they couldn’t just magically make major changes to echoes in 1.1 without internally discussing, testing, and planning.
OW echo farming isn’t going anywhere and should be considered a bonus, but not necessary. It’s obvious db levels will go up in future patches, gold echo drops will most likely be 100%, and echo chance may also go higher than the current 20%. That said they should balance echoes as though people only have time for fields.
All of the systems may have slightly different values, but in actuality wuwa’s mats are basically balanced 1:1 with hsr. The issue there is why when you can just do it better.
Ex: I do 6 relic runs at acc 70 in hsr I get 12 golds and 30 purples which lets me +12-13 one gold relic, I do 4 fields and get enough echo exp to +20-21 one gold echo at ul40. Tuners within the current system implementation is what makes things awkward. Again just straight do better to make the system more approachable or forgiving enough players can set a reachable goal rather than leaving it entirely to luck.
Just pathetic doomposting from chokke these days
This... people need to remember that the games needs to have balance as well... if everyone can max characters and echos too easily then they will grind like crazy farming and then start complaining "my units are all maxed, I got nothing to do"... which in turn would force the developers to rush new content and new units, more power creep, more mistakes. I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement.... but it needs to be studied and planned.
Most gatcha games are meant to be played at most 30 to 40 minutes per day with the exception of special events.
It is also important for people to remember this is a long term gatcha game, you are not meant to play it like an action game in which you progress super fast, play non-stop...then stop playing the game forever because it is done.... I don't even know how some people got to level 50
I see the same complaints in every gatcha game when they first start...
@@ricardokojin7 Exactly!
Yeah... That mistranslation killed all my hype for 1.1 I'm not even gonna lie. That was the one thing holding me over. And once the double tacet field drop events starts, it's only gonna feel even more painful once it goes away.
"What about the characters?" Oh you mean the characters that I won't be able to play due to the sheer backlog of characters I wanna prioritize/still building?
no worries there will be more mistranslation
Dude, I can't even max level the skills available at 70 for my two dps.... and my account is at every resource = 0 😂.
@@Nu_r0ga are you serious? I had easily enough mats to level all skills on 4 characters as soon as i hit UL 40, with 14 crystal waveplate things leftover. You're just bad at managing resources bro. It's literally just echos. They suck to grind and level up. Managing the other resources is so fucking easy. You can get enough boss mats in 2 days of farming for the next ascension at UL 40
@@Nu_r0ga I have 6 70 level charecors
Maybe im the odd one out but if u plan correctly i havent had that bad of a time. I use the malleable echoes to get a spectro set for jinshi, and the other ones to get a fusion set for changli. 2 of them rolled bad so i used another malleable set on 1 extra for each. Then I have 44111 on my havoc mc, 1 mid healer set on verina, and 1 ok ER set to share for all supports. So I'm literally fully geared on echoes for all 9 units/3 teams. Still have 30 waveplate things left. Then farmed credits for the x2 event so i have 3 mil, and thats after maxing out cooking. And I'm f2p, maybe i just got lucky but i feel people maybe arent spending their resourcing efficiently
so basically, they did not balance this from CBT2
they already increased taccet field compare to CBT2. But because you can farm gold echo infinitely, so exp is never enough. Then people start complaining.
@@god511bns6 we are in CBT3 then not balance at all.😅
@@zealblaster I think they should limit echo lv, like UL 40 can only have echo lv 15, UL 60 can have echo lv 25.
@@zealblaster because its a little bit late, just power creep echo, make all content harder, increase echo exp of taccet field, then make data bank to lv 25, make red echo.
the biggest dogshit about tuners is still the 30% return like why the fuck is nobody complaining about that???
Uh you guys run out of tuners? Got like 700 of them but no xp tubes.
i think you're not fishing for good substats because your situation will only happen if you don't care about substats or you're a whale..
@zealgaming8161 same, i'd like more exp but at this point farming for just that ain't worth it at UL 37 for me
people complaining about it but looks like global player's feedbacks are worthless to them
to be completely fair, I don't think I will be playing WuWa soon. The daily grind of running around the world for 30minutes and waiting a day to attempt to lvl one echo gambling to 10 is just one of the worst daily routines I've ever did
You don't have to do the Daily grind It Is not worth it... Just do the dailies.
Ya I'm getting burnt out from the daily grind, it's too unfun after doing it for a month already. They intentionally made resources scarce to pressure us to buy the BP and it feels so bad now at UL45.
why tuner is even a thing to begin with? you need very large amounts of resource to +25 an Echo and you still need another layer of grinding to get it sub stats meanwhile in other games you get it for free from reaching lv. milestone.
its mean to balance the roll for sub stat.
If you lv echo up 5lv by one, and trash any first 4 bad sub stat, you actually need more tuner than exp.
If you go easy with sub stat, go to lv 20-25 even if bad roll then, you need more exp than tuner.
it feels like Kuro is pointing the guns towards their own head at a very early stage. From my experience, the echo farming experience doesn't really improve since CBT. They even removed the echo leveling material farming from the simulated training which in my opinion make the entire leveling experience even worse. Somehow some big shot in the company is so full of their Tacet Field, but it's a utter joke. Echo drop gives useless irrelevant stats (electro give you pyro), endless list of substats, merging echo gives shitty drops, and you brick your entire echo if you get useless flat hp substats that you can't reroll them. Tuner return for recycling is just 30% which is way lower then leveling seal tube return (i'm guessing it's 70%). At least this material return is an improvement but their tuner usage is increased by 10 folds since CBT for every substats roll. Looking at overall stage, it's a downgrade for their echo farming experience so far since CBT. only thing that make this a bit more promissing is that you have more enemy on the field compare to CBT but still you only get majority of shitty drop most of the time.
If it takes months to max out a character then it really makes me not want to pull new characters. This is a bit much.
Honestly, although I do fully recognise the problems, you have the exact same in other games, taking months to max out a character is kinda the norm unfortunately, I do hope Kurt changes this tho, cause the exp rates are ridiculous, but overall it isn’t surprising that it currently takes months (but for me personally I’ve been extremely lucky with my echos, so I can’t really share the same sentiment)
@@X3non460 It's not the norm tho...
@@X3non460 in hsr it takes like 2 weeks to max lvl one unit if you're at max lvl not almost at max lvl
@@Adan.2005 people seems to conveniently forget about how long it took to max someone in HSR and genshin during launch. lets just forget how long it takes to reach max world level
@@ozarazil5745 For a lotta games it is tbh, and with me personally ig ive been lucky with my stats, cause my builds r pretty good
Im slowly losing faith in this dev team,the misstranslation is wild especially on the CORE improvement part of the next patch
Same here. They've been good at responding to feedback, but if their game consistently makes them need to apologize then something is wrong with the dev team. At launch it was amazing to get all these rewards but as we go on we shouldn't be seeing all these errors still.
I'm going to play for a bit longer still, but if Kuro is only good at fixing their mistakes, and not good at not making them in the first place, I don't think I'll continue playing.
If my calculation is correct, you need about days or a week to reach UL30, depends on how sweaty you're early on doing all quest and exploration.
There on, things get rough. Counting only from 2000 exp from daily quest and 1800 exp from 240 waveplate, you need almost 3 weeks to get UL40 and you need another 3 weeks to get UL50, and 3 weeks to UL60.
It gets even harder from UL60, you need about 1 month to reach UL70 and another 1 month for UL80. So in total, you need 4,5 or 5 months (3 patches) to max account even if you don't miss a day or waveplate.
It could be less with future story and companion quest, Gift Pack and also compensation. It could be more if you don't exploring enough chest and heritage.
What worst is not the UL, within 3 patches you might have or get 9 five stars character (6 limited, 1 beginner, 1 selector, 1 compensation). Yet you won't have enough resource to max that 9 character or 4 stars.
The resource you need at UL60 (Lv 80) and UL80 (Lv 90) is exponentially high compare to what simulation, tacet discord, forgery gives at UL60 and UL80. So basically you're aiming for something that seems unreachable.
Another problem is credits, I think credits is rarer than resources. You can get 900 tuner and 90 to 180 premium resource from Gift Packs, but you will only get less than 1,500,000 credits from. Too little.
So eventho everything is reachable eventually, one cannot enjoy playing with everything on hand. Me personally prefer maxing one character each patch than have everyone on waiting list.6
Genuine question: how that impact your endgame in terms of completing end game? Do you need a perfect build to max tower?
I don't think so, especially if you get to max UL and character level.
I was able to 3 star all of one side (except the last level because I haven't tried it yet) with a level 65 Jiyan. To be fair I have his signature and leveled up his traces to almost max, but it was easy to make it through the tower. His main echo was at 25, but the rest were at 20 and though I had some good rolls into them, I didn't care too much about the substats.
If you have level 80-90 characters, I can only imagine it being even easier.
@@lucidragon5260 I see, not trying to cope and anything but maybe on a game like this having the perfect 5* echo isnt that necessary this early on
@@rdr.erasedI also think that, especially considering how early you get access to 5* echos. Though given that we get access to it so early on, and given that it is the highest level echos can go, even at UL 30+ people start to focus on getting the perfect echo which uses up a lot of resources.
However, given this video, it seems that even at UL 50+ (possibly even 60+), maxing out five star echoes multiple times to get the best echo is going to be a major pain.
Why people have full level 25 echo with good stats on 1st mounth of the game and still cry that they get not enough....
The more you give - the more they want
fr this make me confused
My Yinlin is the only one I have with full gold echoes at level 25 and I’m content 🤷🏻♂️ Calcharo is 15-20 and Verina is 10-15 and I’m comfortable doing the content available.
They need to fix the economy of the game honestly. From spending Shards to the rewards we are receiving. Hope Wuwa can update it over time, but this needs to be done for the game. Another issue I feel that needs to be addressed is the miss translations. These translations need to be fixed internally asap. Once they figure out these two issues out the game overall will be good.
A live service gacha game only been out for less than a month: "Why can't we level up absolutely everything we have to the max yet?" it's TIME GATED, same as every other gacha games with a stamina system, can you play HSR or Genshin 10+ hours a day and get all the material you need to maxed out a character in a week?
they are dumb, nuff said
You kind of can on HSR, not so much Genshin.
@@curtis9555 no you fking can't unless you are at max level...
When HSR started the character progression was worse than wuwa
I would have loved to see an increase of like 4k-9k exp compared to the older min-max rolls, and a chance at 10 instead of 5 more tuners
It would be nice if we can salvage stored echos to tuning materials
I start mewing everytime I see your intro for some reason🗿.
Definitely the best one I've seen in youtube
Idk if we can trust someone who couldnt backflip. Im not suree mannnnnn
The weapon materials are fine but could probably do with a bigger blues increase to remove some rng pain of trying to get golds. But the echo and shell credits need a pretty big increase per SOL3 Phase, echos especially.
I was finding that since 40-50 is the level range after DAYS of release, the echo exp progress being this slow was fine, but if it increases this terribly per SOL3 Phase, it really does look terrible for the future
marathon, not a sprint. it's the gacha way. f2p suffering is part of the process. get a bp and shit goes way smoother. won't be nearly as daunting a few patches down the road. especially once the players are sitting at max union. the early game is not meant for min maxing, it's for slowly building everything up, with a focus on a few main characters.
do a backflip guide mrpokke
I don't feel like watching Wuwa content creators anymore, it feels so incredibly unrelatable at times. This is a me problem specifically because I'm competitive at these things and having important exams around the launch of the game just hurts
Depending on what happens in version 1.1, I might consider taking a break from this game. At this point burning 60 waveplate for Tracet Field is almost a waste of time. I look forward to the next update, but we need a series change for Tracet Field. Also, Wuthering Waves will need more end game content. Farming echos and clearing Tower of Adversity is not enough for end game.
the "only event" kinda scared me
How much time, you have to farm a GOOD relic piece in GI/HSR ?? btw i have 1 or 2 good piece in 1 month of game.
GI pray to rng and HSR has a function that allows you to craft the main stat you want but it costs a rare material (from my experience Wuwa is certainly better).
WHAYYY IS THE CLOSING MUSIC SO DAMN gooooooodd
Don't tell me this game only increase drop rates one by one per SOL3 Phase 🥶
Mistranslation?
COMPENSATION!!!
my other concern is the boss material drops.... currently need like 30 boss mats to upgrade a unit to max. and we get like 6-9 mats per week.... and we get two new units a patch. feels like they need to boost boss mat drops too
Seems like in UL50 boss mats are 3-4 per kill, so 9-12 per week. Honestly with how important these are idk why they dont make them 100% fixed rates.
The endless cycle of "don't worrry, the reward gets better at ." 😊
I'm gonna recycle this comment again everytime we hit another SOL3 level increase
The tacet field one was indeed a low roll, you can get up to 4 gold exp + 4 purple in other runs which is a total of 28 000 echo xp in one run . You can also drop 3 weekly boss mat
They really need to improve the echo tube xp availability. It's crazy you can't feed bad echoes to level the echos you want and the purple tuners are just a waste at this point. They need to fix this asap along with the stamina cost for just about every activity that requires stamina
With how long it would take to get to 80 they should double the amount of exp you get after Mybe 45 or even at 40 to help the time it takes.
I think what they should do is as they increase the Data Bank cap above 20, there should be echo that has +1 to... perhaps +4 dropped by mobs aside from increasing sealed tube drop count.
This is kinda nice, it will pretty much be easier to level up the echo if i already got +3/level 15 echo from the start
I really think that forgery misty forest is a bug, it seems that other forgery drops the gold one but that misty forest doesn't .
What is "traces" or "tracers"?
Forgery materials?
character skills/talents that you upgrade in char menu
For example basic attack, resonance liberation etc
So... for optimization purposes, when we (casual players) still at UL 40. I think we should spend waveplate on farming skill material for our character right now and not just stop at the cap of this UL40 but also farm for UL50 as well, since this is the most uncertain upgrade in UL 50 compared to Tacet, weekly bosses, and ascension material.
When 1.1 comes out, we'll all be in for Tacet until the event ends. In the best scenario where there is a "NO" limit time (x2-3 exp, echo drop rate each day for only 3 times only, for example) for we to participate each day , and we'll also use Crystial Solvent in it as well. But if there are limit times we can use the increase drop rate each day, better save all the crystial solvent for UL 50 (if you still have any).
Because at that time, if we still didn't use Crystial Solvent, we might drop the game without even using them, except if you have incredible mentality to wait even longer than sure.
but one question remains: WILL DEVS LISTEN( white and red colours)
mr. editor we need to have a conversation about your camera work....
The thing is, Echoes don't limit you as much as you think they do.
Besides that, Echo XP requirements always stay the same for every Level, thus removing the necessity for giving more XP.
The overall ressource curves are FKED across the board anyways, but at least here I can see where they are coming from there.
The issue arises within the overall way of Echo leveling.
The random Stat roll after you spent ressources is bogus with the little amount of xp and tuners you get per 60 wp.
Just let people put in trash echoes as XP.
People will put in much more time into the game daily that way and feel more inclined to put in money towards the characters.
Because what everyone is still missing: This is just the beginning. There will be more Sets to grind for 100%, new Characters that need their sets, perhaps with different main stat prefs and so getting hardstuck now does not bode well for the future of the game.
For me if I can't max my character today maybe next week it's giving me the incentive to log in every day to farm for my favourite characters but I won't stop complaining about QOL updates like the reserve system etc.
Just wait until you run out of shell credits, then you'll see how hard it is to acquire more, and how small 1.5m credits from insider channel actually is.
They dont need to make events for it.. Just include that feature perrmanantly in Monthly pass or BP.. i'll gladly take them end of problems.
I can agree if the game has shit story or has less soul than hsr or genshin but this problem is just basic gacha mechanic 101 nothing new. People probably just complain because they are new to this mechanic or wantes this to be way better than genshin but kuro doesnt want that, the overworld/story combat become way easier in 1.0 because most casual hated it in the beta. Wuthering waves isnt trying to be hardcore genshin 2.0 its trying to be another casual open world gacha game, sure the endgame is hard but most casual avoided endgame anyway.
Lol, UL 50 is like AR 45 in genshin, what do you expect it will drop a lot of material? Just be patient, the pace of this game is so fast compare to genshin, even when i am on AR 45 in genshin i never reach the same level like what i did in wuwa, a good stat on my character and output are far better in early game of my wuwa compare to genshin, my genshin is getting better stat when reaching AR 50 with better drop rate, just calm down, the pace of this game is so fast, its like you feel the droprate is lackluster, you can talk about it when you can access the highest difficult for the most drop in the game (i forgot its UL 60/70) and the droprate is still got small upgrade, is still early game bro, remeber, they already told us will do something about it in 1.1
"Patience is all you need", thats it
If you can 18+ doritos the ToA, just chill and slowly build up your mats for the next UL break point. Grinding tacet fields at this UL isn't really worth yet in the context of "building multiple teams".
The only problem I'm seeing at the moment is the cost of Waveplates/run on challenges. If they manage to make it 20 per run on Simulation/Forgery, 40 on Tacet and actually buffing the number of materials the weekly yields, then we good.
For now, just beat the fk out of Mephis 6.
Unfortunately, this mindset has already shown itself to be flawed, purely referring to your point on waiting until the next UL break point.
I will use someone else's comment which pretty much sums up the future of what you said.
"Just wait for rewards until UL 60 man. Then until UL 70. Then until UL80. And after UL80, please stop complaining, haven't you played this way for 80 levels?"
We were first told to wait until UL 30 at the very least, then we were told to wait until UL 40 because we get 80/20 on golds, but the rates were bad so we were told maybe we should wait until UL 50, now UL 50 is bad and you want to wait until UL 60, the trend has shown that any changes due to UL break points will be very minor, waiting for them seems pretty pointless.
I just want kuro dev to let us scrap the useless echo into echo exp as an alternative option
It will definitely help a lot
I understand why they don't do this though. Being able to farm echos infinitely in the open world is great, but you need a limiter somewhere if you want people to continue playing the game.
I feel like, for the UL we are at right now, Kuro has given us enough access to relic exp. I can't say more for higher levels, but I'm at UL 44 and my Jiyan team was able to clear one side of the Tower with echos at level 20 and no rerolled to get better substats.
I think the problem is people are focusing too much on echos right now when it should be an end game focus. This is partly Kuro's fault because they gave us access to gold echos so early on, but it's also the fault of the players for chasing perfect stats when they haven't gotten to the point of needing them.
@@lucidragon5260 yup
hope that the higher the player rank, it is better to have a good echo exp drop rate
They should stop this rng with boss mats. This is a very frustrating thing in genshin that im thankful that it isnt in hsr
A good idea to keep the tuner income the same but improve the grind would be to allow u to simulate the substat then solidify it w tuners,smth like:1 premium tuner/reroll attempt then 10/solidify attempt,that would allow the morphable echoes to be worth smth and not just potential trash...
Yeah man. The amount of times I get flat def at upgrade 25 is like 90 percent.
it's either a stamina economy rework or an echo rework for me, it feels like shit then it takes a whole week to ascend 4 characters FROM LEVEL CAP 50 to 60
I'm fine with this though, the only change I want is that you should only need 1 tuner to unlock substats instead of 10 😂😂
That makes it so the refund system doesn't work. It's scaled the way it is so you can get partial refunds
I think Kuro's biggest mistake might have been to allow farming 5 star echoes this early. Then again, if we had been stuck with 4 star echoes until UL 50 people also would have complained. You can't win with gacha games, they have to timegate for player retention. If everything was available right away when would players ever need to play apart from when a new patch drops?
As for the Announcement text in German it says the exact same as in English. You would assume the CN text is probably the correct one, but I will just wait and see. If they release events with absolute insane Echo rewards, maybe it even DOES work out. If not, just send more feedback. Personally my bigger issue is actually how long it takes to reach Union Levels because it's actually difficult to judge material drops when you don't even know what the highest difficulty drops are like. I doubt there's an INSANE increase, but depending on how good they are there is little point in boosting the drop rates of lower levels because it might just upend the entire balancing system.
having to max lvl echo just to see all sub stat to see if it has good value is massive L. I hope we can just already see the sub stat of echo if it is just worth upgrading or not.
meanwhile you get 2 at ul30 for weekly bosses, wth
They're really putting the brakes on progression now, here comes the grind.
To be fair, early game progress has been very quick, but having that momentum slowed way down still sucks.
outro song ?
Honest question.
What should i be farming then in a daily basis?
Tacet if you want upgrading echoes, or bosses and forgeries in case you wanna test other characters
@@giangtrinhtruong7952 Okay, Want to focus on my verina for the time being.
Appreciate the response.
Its a single player game for the majority just focus on whatever you want next, doesnt really matter. Unless your goal is to be the first or fastest. I want the game to last me a good bit so im not in a hurry to "finish" the game becouse i dont want it to finish XD
@@BuBl3gumRain My motives for playing this game is Calcharo for now, so maxing him out is my end goal.
So far I'm no where near XD.
@@niladrisarkar1472 Nice, good luck, im also maining calcharo and i was lucky and managed to get yinlin. Its been a blast playing them two together so far with all the quick switching etcc.. Im also nowhere near maxing him since im saving all my echoes for UL 40(Databank lvl 19) so i can synthesise them then for the 80% 5 star chance . If you havent yet btw the rouguelight gamemode shop rewards has limited echo xp and tuners you can get easily since the gamemode is very easy with the trial characters you can use, but it will reset in 3 days i think so might wanna have a look at it since we are always starved for those.
The idea behind the echo system is actually really fun, but the implementation every step of the way has just been so frustrating. I've been taking it pretty slow so I'm still only UL 37, but I feel like I'm hard locked to databank level 13. I've gotten every single purple in the list except for two bosses that REFUSE to drop purple echoes. I used half of my weekly enhanced drops yesterday but lost the 75/25 EVERY TIME, madness. It seems like it doesn't get any better as we progress either at this rate.
That’s weird. I had no issue levelling my db, it was almost effortless.
But i got a green turtle echo recently even with db20. Maybe your acc is bugged as well. Try sending them feedback?
@@kruose It could also be that there are other sources of databank XP that I'm not aware of to be fair. Like the guidebook thing that's locked on a low lvl because I haven't gotten around to unlocking the tower yet. But if there's a bug that affects some accounts' databank XP then I might need to look in to that.
The green turtle I think is a guaranteed drop. There is one specific place that seems to always have a misty turtle that drops green.
As for leveling DB, you should go after the red enemies. If they are above level 60 they drop gold echos. Also make sure you are doing the guidebook or whatever missions. There is a limited number of them but they drop DB exp.
@@lucidragon5260 Oh ok the red enemies, good tip! I've only run into them once at UL 20 and they were over lvl 100 and 1 shot me lol. Maybe I could handle them if they're also found in a bit lower levels lol. Yeah the guide book is locked until I get off my arse and unlock the Tower of Adversity since it requires you to get progress in there to go to the next level (4 I think?). I just haven't been able to sit for hours at a time with it so far, so even finishing the main story took quite a while, didn't finish until just this weekend lol. I'm probably going to start missing out on astrite if I don't go and do the tower soon so maybe that will motivate me.
The nature of how all live service games work is to kkep u coming back daily so u need to set a pace setter (bottle neck) to pace ur players to match the pace of new content they release. Currently it takes 2 days of solely farming tacet field on Union level 40 to +25 an echo and considering theres only 18 units and releasing minimum 2 characters every 6 weeks atleast for the nxt few patches until reruns start occuring sounds reasonable atleast when comparing to most other gacha games. Idk just me but the drops arent an issue at all, there are bigger gameplay issues, like the lack of repeatable end game content so its basicly just gonna end up like genshin 2.0 with better combat and traversing. Not to mention the fact that the overworld echo system is going to get old real fast for most players so they should take that into consideration like maybe 50-100% buff on echo drops on tacet fields to make it a viable option/ add shop to buy specific mainstat echoes using resources u get simply by spending energy anywhere just a suggestion to start.
That yin lin is what my Jiyan is at execpt my energy is around 155. 43311 too.
the problem that u can too easily level up your bank and start getting gold echoes, they need to lock levels, like15 level should be at UL 50 or 60, but on other side it means we have to wear purple echoes for months. and to be honest if u can level 6 characters before hitting next world level its fine to me. we need to see what time it takes to build character on UL70-80, until that its dont matter.
DEVS LISTENED 😿😿
More devs listened since this is what the community preaches
This game is not good for p2w player 😂😂😂
I've been saying since i started playing Shell credits are going to be one of the biggest walls players run into for leveling up anything. Echo exp needs a buff sure totally agree. But Shell credits is the real wall. Everything uses them to upgrade, even echos. 80k shell creds from the training is PATHETIC. It needs to almost double every UL10 for it to be worth spending 40 stam on it or at least to catch up to how much it costs to upgrade. And if you are using FOOD its even worse on your money. Shell credits need to drop higher in every form of farm, every time you spend stam there should be a nice chunk of Shell credits. Shell credit training should be WAY more though. It should be the thing you do when you are like ultra low and need an massive injection. Right now it feels like they want us to spend our Coral on credits which feels so bad.
Or they meant they will increase the base in 1.1 onwards and even moreso if it's an event. We just have to wait to clear things up and most likely just gonna give feedback and it'll end up again with us getting showered compensations
pokke is a clown
editor needs to chill on the intro if you know what i mean.. 💀💀💀💀
Ul40-50 rewards are fair since max union level is UL80. Even at genshin AR 60, we are not guaranteed gold drops. Weekly boss is also 2-3 mats per week.
It only feels unrewarding since we have an early access to end game gold echo gears already and some players already min maxing echoes ( Feeding bad echoes over and over ) which they are not supposed to do yet.
Max UL is 80 but the last tier of everything is UL60, beyond that is just whatever. Basically the penultimate tier is UL50, and if UL50 only has this much rewards on tacet fields, I don't know how much they will improve it by UL60 unless they double the tuners and exp materials.
Yeah probably deleting tuners and making echos get stats by leveling will change everything and will make it much much easier to lvl stuffs like in HSR
Would be nice if every Overworld enemy dropped like 500 Echo EXP (maybe with a daily hard limit), so players who want more Echo EXP can grind every day enough for a +25 every 1-2 days
Before I was rinsing the Overworld enemies daily, but I don't see the meaning anymore,I got lots of correct mainstat Echoes but no Echo EXP to upgrade any, so I stopped farming Overworld
Down to 800k credits. I can't just buy the weekly ingredient reset indiscriminately. Also need to start being more choosey about upgrading. Has to just be the 2 dps until 1.1 when we hopefully get a bunch of credits to work with the two new characters
They really have to improve the drops or players (like me) will increasingly feel dissatisfied each day
I literally don't want to farm echoes because I can't level them up. I'm basically stalling building talents, weapons, and levels on multiple characters (6) until they fix things.
compensation incoming please
You know coming from their other game PGR where building a character is time consuming but you're guaranteed to get permanent (and consistent) upgrade eventually , the echo system in WW feels like a dick slap to the face If you want context for how building characters in pgr works keep reading, otherwise you've read everything that matters in this comment
PGR character building:
Building a character in PGR is realistically split into 3 categories, all are time consuming but are permanent upgrades that you are essentially guaranteed to get
-The first part is the usual stuff, your character level, their weapon level, their skill level etc
-Second part is evolution, there is a game mode calling "phantom pain cage" which you can do weekly, it's time consuming but if you do it every week you get a resource that lets you buy shards, those shards allow your characters to "evolve" which gives them small stat increases and also unlocks some passive abilities to make them stronger (PPC can allow you to evolve an S rank character into SS, the highest rank is SSS+ but you need to whale for that)
-And the final part is memories, this one is probably the most time consuming but there is no RNG to it, memories are essentially the equivalent to relics/artifacts whatever you wanna call them, you can equip 6 of them and they have set bonuses, but what makes them good is that memories only have 2 stats and those stats are always the same, you can get the same memory 9 times, it will always have the exact same stats everytime, once a memory is fully upgraded you can then add a resonance skill to it (this part is RNG but there is a way to skip the RNG factor) basically you can dump a memory of the same kind as the equipped one to get from a list of passive upgrades (most of them just buffs one of your skills or passives, or just give you a passive boost in stat) and the final layer is hypertuning, once you have resonance skills equipped on your memories you can hypertune them to get another small boost in stats, once you've complete all of this , your character is essentially fully built, you cannot give your character any more upgrades, you've reached their maximum potential (if you exclude things like CUBS and weapons, but that's another story) .
Star rail did level pacing very good. Max being 70 and youncan hit it in 1 month of casual playing.
And took me 3 months at least to finally build my main dps, 6 months to clear MoC with full stars because of the awful relic and planar drops. I’m nearly a month in wuwa and my first team is built. I hit a lucky drop streak in HSR as well but now I’m back to garbage again lol.
@@bloodywolf9760 well I'm a day player so got edge in four star eidolon and lightcone than who started late . It took me 3 months to clear moc. I did it with seele and il. Remember when moc 10 was hard, good ol days. Now it's not even feels hard.
@@marupurusaivamsi4802 yeah nothing is hard when you have Kafka, Black Swan E1 and E2 Ruan Mei all with their signature weapons xD
I hope that they can do something abt the Purple Tuners as well. Like convert it to gold tuners. Because the purple tuners is kinda useless imo.
They just need to add rewards for each level up & a stamina refill for everytime you level up. Pretty fooqin simple solution.
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MrPokke farming hate wannabe Tectone 2.0
How do you guys even run out of shell credits...? I don't have enough of the other materials to upgrade shit and spend my shell credits
COMPENSATION ANNOUNCEMENT #63 INCOMING
yep ... i exactly feels same ... kuro games need to improve the reward of tube more ... and for some more contents to
imo echo leveling should have the same exp exponential rate as weapon leveling
goddamn, ul 50 already?
i'm still at UL 32 rn
Don't compare max refreshes to casual bruh
its called game "economy" .. which nobody talks about..its about the longevity of the game and how they make money... you can either play the game or you quit..Look at genshin.. Therer are no issues. Its purely opinions nothing more. Its the nature of GACHA drops. Hoyo games have the highest drop/upgrade for DEF main/subs artifacts.. this is a big issue? can we tell dev to drop crit more? its "RNG?" btw.
the problem is they dont pace in one place ... but still tie that shit to something else thats paced for NO REASON
This is what happened when an HSR whale compare late game hsr progression to a game that's barely a month old.
He got too used to hsr MAX level grind that it rotting his brain, and he started to feel like wuwa need to be like it.
And completely forgotten that in HSR it to months MONTHS to get end game start to farm max relics.
Or how traces farm took a month per character...
Traces technically will only take around 1 ~ 2 weeks if you farm them exclusively. But the relics? That'll that take between the single luckiest single week of your life to infinity. But hey, HSR and WuWa has a way to ease it a bit (HSR with Self-Modeling Resin and WuWa with the Echo selector that guarantees the same Elemental DMG% as its type).
@@GodSejeong that why I said hsr late game brainrot... 1 to 2 is only possible at max level.
When we started we were farming lower difficulties.
We literally used to celebrate as meme in discord when we get 1 purple trace mat.
I haven’t found good planars or relics in weeks, all trash rolls these days. Wuwa I have my main team built with pretty solid echos and I’m sitting at 90+ gold levelling mats and 80+ purple. Sometimes you get lucky. That’s gacha for you.
@@GodSejeongI don’t think I ever got a good relic from using the self modelling resin 🥲
kuro has been real quiet lately..