Big props to Jennifer Hale this episode, she really made Jean and Madelyne sound distinct from one another one, showed a lot of range, and was really fun as the Goblin Queen
I don't get that, they were both Jean Grey. It's not a Clone Wars situation where each clone has his own personality, they had the same personality. The whole wanting to leave was Sinister's programming to make the kid easier to nab.
I only learned when I looked it up, but Jennifer Hale voiced Jean Grey in Wolverine and the X-Men. And yes, she's so talented! Just comparing all the different characters she has done, often I don't realize it's her.
I am just astounded at how HORNY they let Goblin Queen be. Not to mention, letting Sinister be at almost Mephisto levels of tittering demonic presence. His powers are totally undefined, hell, what he's MADE OF is totally undefined. Scott CAVED IN HIS CHEST with that one blast, and he's just filled with freakin ecto-cooler. And he can just melt into shadow and disappear into nothing in the blink of an eye.
Netflix really spoiled me by binge watching. Waiting a week for new 97 episodes is killing me. Also, this show is making me love Morph even more. Poor guy spent half the original series recovering from Sinister's bullshit and even now that man still haunts him. Seeing him turn into both sides of Magik was a cool little detail too.
As for Sunspot the way I saw it was he said he didn’t wanna be an x-men and went home. But they did flirt and he likes Jubilee and wants to do what teenage boys like to do so he came over to the mansion just to hang with her- easy simple and explains him hangin out.
Yeah, she just paged him to hangout. Really not a complex answer for his presence, it's funny how many people are confused because by him being there. Guess they just ignored like half the final scene of E1.
Psylocke was in the original show. She teamed up with Bishop to try and stop Apocalypse from ascending to godhood somewhere outside of time and space. She wasn't a recurring character, but she was there.
She was supposed to join the team at the end of her „beyond good and evil“ storyline alongside bishop, shard and archangel. Xavier, storm, jubilee, Jean and cyclops were supposed to be written out. That was changed when fox renewed the show for season 5 and demanded the old team.
Psylocke was in the original and wore that costume. Her first appearance was as a ninja thief stealing something from the Worthington estate and as she fights, she tears off her ninja garb and her Psylocke outfit is on underneath.
@9:33 Respectfully, as someone who clocked how Morph feels about Logan all the way back at the beginning of the OG series just from the way they screamed his name as they saved him from the Sentinel, Morph and Logan aren't (currently) hooking up. Morph definitely wants to. And I doubt Logan would take much convincing if he wasn't head over heels for specifically the actual Jean. But the way the Inferno Wolverine speaks to Morph makes it clear that they've never explicitly stated what they want, leaving their intentions to bleed through their jokes and transformations.
Yeah, the way it's been handled in the revival at least definitely feels like Morph's in unrequited mode, while Wolverine just thinks they're "good friends" as he's really hung up on Jean.
Maybe I'm missing something from newer comics, but I don't think Logan is canonically bi. I know his son swings that way, but I've only ever known Wolverine to have women partners. I think ol Wolvie loves Morph, but not in the same way Morph feels about him.
It's sort of implied in the last few years of comics that Scott and Jean allow Logan to . . . partake in certain aspects of their relationship with them. A lot of this is rumor based on a hot tub scene and the fact that Jean's room has connecting doors to both Scott's and Logan's rooms (in the house they share on the moon with Scott's brothers).
Look, you place a mind-controlled redhead in black leather, you will receive a sizable audience. The added bonus was actually stripping away the less well-received parts of X-Men's Madelyne/Inferno storyline and streamlining it for newcomers.
How did she come about the Goblin Queen name though in this show? I understand that if she was going Goblin Mode she might as well be a _queen_ but what was her internal thought process.
The animation quality of this series has been awesome. The visuals from the Goblin Queens transformation to her fight with Magneto were fantastic. The pacing was frantic but it was still engaging. I need the Goblin Queen to return.
Yeah, I really need more from Madelyne. I loved the episode but I am kinda bummed that they did a one-episode speed-run through one of the most epic, years in the making X-men storylines of all time. I hope they bring her back as a villain, maybe after being corrupted by S’ym or N’Astirh, although I’m not sure what her motivation would be now that baby Cable is out of the picture
@@philcorrigan5641 Kicking Sinister’s ass most likely. Or at least trying to find a way to remove those psychic triggers. If Cable comes back, she has to appear.
Considering how compressed some of the storylines are, in my head canon Colossus joined the X-Men, got his costume, Illanya got kidnapped to Limbo, came back as a teenager, joined the team, became the Darkchylde, and both left the X-Men, all in the space of a single "lost episode". 😀
Right. Also...doesn't need an explanation of time because in real time cannon she wasn't gone long. Went in a child...came back a day later as a teen. I think she spent 7 years there
@@bryfunkensteinHaving read the story recently, it’s actually much shorter than a day on Earth. The X-Men follow Illyana into Limbo, and in their escape, Kitty loses her grip on Illyana for a split second when going through their escape portal, when she gets her grip again and pulls her through, Illyana aged 7 years.
Scott Summers has major abandonment issues and I thought they laid this out really well. He was abandoned as a child by his father, sacrificed himself to save his younger brother (taking brain damage that is why he can't control his blasts) and lost his his brother, the only family he had left, when Alex was adopted and Scott was left to suffer alone in an orphanage the rest of his childhood. When he walks out on the group, he says, "I can't be a part of this." To me, I read that as, "I intellectually see the logic in your arguments, but I am seeing my emotional issues getting in the way and every second I argue with you is hurting my son, keeping him from getting the help he needs." Scott walking out here is him sacrificing his emotional health for his son. He takes the burden again of being the adult and making the hard decision, to not give in to his childish need to prove better than his father and instead to take on his father's role for the good of his son. To me this says he hasn't gone through the arc of discovering his father is Corsair and that his father sacrificed himself to save Scott yet, because this is a great setup to help Scott understand his father more when he does.
I agree, and I think that's a good take on Scott. Also as someone who's read the books, but not watched the animated series, catching up with the show's continuity can get confusing at times. I'm having a lot of "Oh, they haven't covered that yet?" moments watching 97.
The animated series does cover Scott discovering that Corsair is his father and them reconciling (at least to some extent). That doesn't mean that he's really dealt with that trauma of being abandoned and having to do to his son what was done to him (even if it's justified).
Honestly this is what I came here to say. I feel like this is a rare Nando L, where he just misread the scene. On the first part, I feel like people would have clowned Cyclops here regardless of if he stepped out of the room or simply stepped back into a corner or something. But yeah, to the point of Cyclops, Cyclops states that he won't abandon his son, and thus chooses to step out of the discussion because nothing would convince him otherwise. He, and we the viewers, understand that not only is there no talking sense to Cyclops here, but also as the leader of the team, there's nothing stopping him from ordering Beast from making a 2nd bracelet and sending Cyke with his son to the future. It's the same reason he didn't show up for the goodbye. We all know Cyclops would not have been able to contain himself and would have either fought Bishop or gone with Bishop to the future, both of which would be very bad for the team. An important aspect of Cyclops and what makes him different from Wolverine is his emotional control vs Wolverine's lack thereof. So for Cyclops, he could probably feel himself getting frustrated over the matter and chose to step back before he does something bad, vs stay in the room and fight everyone. And that's what makes him the leader of the XMen, the knowledge that sometimes the best thing to do is to step away from the situation and not let your emotions get in the way of what's best for someone.
13:48 I like to think this Morph variant followed in their comic counterpart’s footsteps and became a reality hopping Exile. They just don’t tell anyone because of the rules of the universe or whatever. Still, they’re not gonna exactly forget what they learned on their travels.
11:00 i been thinking this same damn thing about how morph morph's into characters they may have not encountered (or he has not encountered). the darkchylde and kwannon caught me off guard.
Scott feels like a real guy I have known since I was a kid. Just a real dude who walked over from the real world into comics and cartoons. His power is average/below average, almost believable, he sucks in very real ways, but he is also excellent in very real ways. No frills, only thrills.
And I can kinda appreciate his hesitation but not flipping out at the clone revelation. Like, that is a LOT to take in all at once, but he still genuinely CARES. He's just trying to sort out what that caring is going to look like. He just got handed a huge bombshell and when Madelyne asks him to respond, he's just still buffering. But he also goes after her to talk once he's got a LITTLE more grasp. Even if he fumbles that too.
@@hartthornI have to disagree a bit. A real dude who is not really bad with emotions would have seen Maddy P and probably would have had something more calming for her. He's instantly turned off the second he realizes she's a clone. Why not say something like, "Hey, my feelings for you have been true regardless of who you are." I get it, the episode needs to happen, so Scott has to be clumsy with his words and actions, which is fine. People can have weaknesses. Especially super powered people, but lets not pretend like the way he handled things was anything close to a well adjusted dude. (Not that we should expect someone with his background/baggage to be well adjusted).
@@ILoveJamesFelt Here's my thinking: to him it's almost like cheating. He fell in love with Jean. He had a life with Jean. And then he finds out that some unknown amount of that is a lie. That it was someone else all together. Even if unintentional, that is gonna feel like a betrayal. And that's the tragedy of the whole situation: no one did anything wrong (well, except Sinister, but we're not concerned about him).
@@ILoveJamesFelt Actually, your version is the type of response an extremely well-adjusted, calm and controlled person would give, but that level of comforting emotionally intelligence is not common or easy. There are countless people who complain about the insensitivity, emotional immaturity, trauma formed, anger ridden and/or clueless types of responses people give in simple, much less mind-bogglingly complex situations. Dude just had a son, by a woman he married, who was a clone of the woman he loved, who was captive elsewhere for an unknown period of time. That will throw some percentage of people for a loop, and it is probably likely that only a smaller percentage of people would have that type of comforting response.
@@hartthorncorrect. Complex situation that may take a moment to reconcile, and while unsure how one even feels, one may act in ways they'd regret in hindsight.
Just by changing the order in which events happen, the conditions under which they happen since this is still when Scott himself is part of the X-Men, and how Madelyne's arc actually ends with her restarting her life under that identity Ben Reilly-style rather than her just being introduced as a different person so she could be procedurally written out and made obsolete by bringing back Jean; it fixes like virtually everything that's either unnecessarily convoluted or toxic about her origin and actually makes her a symoathizable character without just putting her through the worst mental torture to stage her villainy like Scott abandoning her or her feeling suicidal because the X-Men don't help her often
Excellent summary of how I feel about this. The reveal of Jean at the door was much more shocking and left out the ‘going out for milk and cigarettes’ shenanigans. Hoo boy they are all three so confused now but in a much more understandable way.
14:52 I just figured he and Jubilee were two kids hanging out. No one joined any teams or anything. Insofar as I know, anyway. Next episode comes out and might make me a wrong guy, instead of Strong Guy!
I def picked up on the Wolverine/ Morph vibes but In that shower scene Wolverine says something like "you don't think we know Morph but we all know" which sort of gave me in the impression that Morph was into Wolverine but it wasn't reciprocated.
I do think Morph and Wolverine are reading different things into their interactions, if for not other reason than because that's better drama. Wolverine clearly is still completely into Jean, as we see in this episode when she scans his mind. And Morph is completely into Wolverine, but the only way he they can access those feelings is through the playful (and suggestive) banter, because Morph and Wolverine have been through too much. All the old series stuff happened, and Morph knows Wolverine doesn't love them, so Morph takes what they can get. And I do think we're going to get that played out, and the parallel between their respective unrequited loves.
I’m not gonna lie, idk how anyone watched the last 2 episodes and thought “omg Wolverines gay” lol. Like you said, the previous shows canon and he was in love with Jean then and still loves her now (as implied by the mind read, as you pointed out) Morph is def on his way to gettin rejected Tyler the Creator x Jerrod Carmichael style and I think it’ll be a point of drama later on I actually hadn’t drawn the line the way you did with both of them having unrequited loves in different ways
@@MathisR412 Well, and if they'd decided to give Wolverine a different arc, that he's moving past Jean, I'd be fine if they wanted to see how he and Morph pair, but that didn't seem to be where they were going, and this episode I feel confirms that's not the direction. My guess is Morph gets rejected and they then (hopefully) find a better match.
@@jakeekiss I woulda thought it’d be a very strange change to make for Wolverine given he’s always been known to be a ladykiller despite his looks and stature. Apparently Iceman is gay now in the comics? Maybe they’ll bring him back into the show or somethin
@@MathisR412 Plenty of folks play all sides of the fence quite happily. The fact that Logan is a stud with the ladies says nothing about his abilities, or proclivities, towards anyone else. He's been around for well over a century, who knows how many partners he's had and in what varieties. We also can't really take a network kids show depiction in the 90s, when standards and practices wouldn't even allow the word "kill" as the default for thorough examinations of the human condition. This has been a thing the X-men, even and especially in comics, has struggled to get around since Claremont took over in the 80s. There were a LOT of lgb+ storylines that never saw the page not because the authors weren't interested, but because editorial put the brakes on them. Nightcrawler's mother and "father" were originally supposed to be Mystique and Destiny. There is a LOT of very thinly veiled stories that point to Kitty Pryde being at least bi (especially in Excalibur), and Rachel and her having on/off relationships. Etc etc. Basically, not new for X-Men to have the content, it's new that the authors are actually allowed to explore it. They likely won't do Wolverine because a certain contingent of fans would feel betrayed or whatever, but like, real people come out as gay or bi after years letting everyone think they're straight. I've known some of them.
In the old series, Colossus wears the suit that Morph transforms into, and Psylocke has also appeared. I'm also a fan of Magik, but I don't recall her appearing in the suit, so I hope they explain it at some point. Although, I'm afraid they might have explained it in the comics connecting the two series that I've never been able to find. On another note, I interpreted the interactions between Morph and Wolverine more as Logan seeing them as a bromance, but not necessarily Morph, especially judging by the look on his face after teasing Gambit.
If it makes you feel better, the comics continuing the old show (which were aptly titled "X-Men '92" are kinda their own continuity now. They did a '92 ocmic series a couple years ago adapting elements of the Krakoa era that seems to have retconned all those continuation comics out of continuity for the sake of the new show. The only things officially part of this universe now are the original show, the Spider-Man show that crossed over with it, the new show, and a single comic (also called X-Men '97) that started this month and is set between the two series. Annnnd so far there's no Magik in the new comic, so we still have no idea where Morph saw that costume
I mean, it definitely works as a retcon. Maddie's whole deal was originally a subversion of Hitchcock's Vertigo, with Jimmy Stewart's Scotty falling in love with Kim Novak's Madeline.
The name Madelyne might come from her friend that died. I noticed on re-watch that when her best friend is killed she calls out, “Maddie”- kinda wish they made a one sentence reference to the friend and it would’ve been more clear…
The friend's name is Annie, and the caption confirms it. But yeah, it almost feels like it should have been changed to Maddy for this reason. I don't think too many Jean stans would mind Annie Richardson being renamed for a good cause.
They have a new x-men 97 comic that feels in the gap time between the last episode of the 90s and now- it’s out now so that might help u with the timeline (I’m too broke to buy it so I’m counting on u to get it and let us know about it)!
Roberto is there for Jubilee. It doesn't matter when he decided to come back. It's not relevant. They're hanging out. I don't understand why that's so unexpected to some viewers. Not everything has to be shown 🤷🏽♂️
To answer a couple questions you had in the video, yes, Psylocke does show up in X-Men: the Animated Series, I believe it's in the Beyond Good and Evil episodes at the end of Season 4 when the villains are kidnapping psychic characters. So far, every one of Morph's transformations has been of someone that was in the Animated Series at some point. I also agree that we're seeing older versions of the characters and in forms that indicate some time has passed since we've seen them. As far as how much time has passed between the end of the Animated Series and the beginning of '97, we see and hear in the first Episode of '97 that Xavier "died" last year and that the date on his death certificate is November 11, 1996, so it's at least a couple months since then for 96 to be "last year", and with Madelyne being pregnant and having Cable in Episode 2 it's gotta be around 9 or so months since the end of the Animated Series. Basically, we're essentially told that they're somewhere in the May-August 1997 timeframe for this show with the original series ending in November 1996 in-Universe, and I'd hazard a guess and say '97 is at least 2-3 years in-Universe since the beginning of the Animated Series, possibly longer. Also, as far as Sunspot being in Episode 3 when he wasn't in 2, he did give Jubilee his number in Episode 1, so she probably called him to come over as it would have taken a bit of time for Beast to run his tests on Jean and Madelyne, so there was a bit of time in between the 2 episodes. Besides all that though, I agree, as a horror fan I love what they did with the episode and with Madelyne's powers and outfit and such. I hope we see more of those horror elements pop up in upcoming Marvel projects.
I've always been very lukewarm about everything concerning Madeline Pryor, but Episode 3 is still my second favorite so far. Only being beaten by Episode 2 because of how hard Magneto's speeches hit
This episode was fantastic! This is exactly want I wanted and so much more! Give me more of this amazing batshit insanity! These are the trippy as hell X-Men stories I've waited so long for! I'm so happy to have these X-Men back as a family because this is what I missed the most! The chaotic energy from the X-Men as they go through hell trying to figure out what the heck is going on. This is exactly what's going to get me tuning in every week for this incredible show! 🌟✨️🎆 10/10 episode!!!
I’m all in for New Mutants. They were the side of X-men I loved most after the 90’s cartoon gatewayed me into picking up comic backissues and collections. If I had any disappointment with 97’s Inferno it would simply be because the New Mutants side of that story couldn’t take place without a season of buildup. Ideal timeline would give us a full Asgardian Wars animated movie. And it is so refreshing to see non-comic readers finally trashing Scott for the RIGHT reasons! Love him, but also “damn it, Scott.”
Yeah, I think the only time to really still dislike Scott is how he was with Maddie. I would love for a New Mutants spin-off. I loved the recent Ayala run. Karma is one of my favourites. If Miss Marvel does go into mutant territory, I want her to be in a story with Dust.
Betsy does appear in X-Men 92, but only in the last two episodes of season 4. She doesn't have a very big role in the show in general. Fun fact: Stryfe, and Rachel Summers both appear in those same episodes. Didn't catch that the first time I watched them.
Wolfsbane appeared in the same Iceman/X-Factor episode as Alex (as well as present-day Forge). Psylocke appeared in the epic Beyond Good And Evil four-parter where Apocalypse kidnaps all the psychics in his bid to remake the universe in his image. Dani and Karma never appeared in the cartoon.
Karma was one of the telepaths captured by Apocalypse in “Beyond Good and Evil”, but she wore the costume from her first appearance so she was hard to recognize
I think the way Morph was messing with Gambit is supposed to be interpreted as lil bro messing with big bro or vice versa, by Morph’s facial expression, to me he knew clearly that Remy wouldn’t throw hands, he would just be in his feelings…the way the whole scene went seemed to be a brotherly bond between Wolverine, Morph and Gambit…just ribbing each other…
That is a fair assessment, many comics storylines were stripped down and compressed for the original series. It was a show for kids. This sequel, however, is a pure nostalgia bait for the people who watched the original so it could develop yogether with the audience. It's good but I still felt this Ingerno thing was rushed, both in start and finish sense.
11:50 Psylocke was in the OG animated series. I can’t remember which season or story arc she was in, but I definitely remember her making a brief appearance and psi-blasting a dog.
I don’t know that we’re supposed to read TOO much into Morph’s “morphs” beyond fan service. Same reason Jean Doe just randomly referenced her comic book names without justification. These are member-berries.
5:42 I don’t know about the Goblin queen part but I feel like Prior kinda still applies here because it kinda resonates with what both Madelyn and Jean are going through right now (if that makes sense?)
As somebody who hasn't read to comics or watched the original show, I didn't find it particularly jarring seeing her call herself "Goblin Queen" or "Madelyne Pryor". Like, is it a little goofy? Sure. But the way I figured I just assumed this was like the evil persona Sinister planted in her that he just awoke, like a sleeper agent. I will say, I wish we would see more of the Goblin Queen persona, but I think all that we absolutely needed was a little scene where she is defeated by Jean Grey and comes to terms with Scott at the end of their fight. It is not quite satisfying to see her go directly from fighting the X-Men to teaming up with Cyclops with no sort of material in-between, and its not like its a real TV show that has to stick strictly to their time-slot, they could easily add a minute or two to the run-time to just tighten that up. But otherwise it was another banger of an episode.
It's not goofy, it doesn't make sense. She is not commanding any goblins, she has noyhing to do with goblins so it's almost as random as calling herself Unicorn Knight. Just imagine them making a movie about Peter Parker who was shot with super soldier serum, uses vibranium shield and wears red white and blue but is still called Spider Man because comics. Shit does not make sense.
@@sathrielsatanson666 dude, all the X-Men have silly names. We've got a guy called Wolverine whose powers are regeneration and having knives in his hands. What has that got to do with wolverines? Hell, she's literally created by a guy who is called MISTER SINISTER. I really don't see why Goblin Queen is anymore ridiculous than that. It seems like a consistent level of goofy to me. Don't get me wrong, it would be cool to see her with some goblins at some point in the future. But that's really not a deal breaker for me.
@kapitankapital6580 Again, silly and doesn't make sense are two different things. Look up how wolverines look, big claws are their prominent feature, so that is a silly example. You think what Nathaniel Essex is doing is not Sinister? Seriously, next think you are going to tell me that Warren Warthington should not be called Angel because he is not a celestial being. Again, my argument is not that Jean's clone in the series being called Madeline Pryor aka Goblin Queen is silly. I am arguing that her being called Goblin Queen does only make sense if you know she was called that in the comics. It is a nitpicky kinda argument but it is a valid one.
@@sathrielsatanson666 wolverines don't have three claws though, and let's be real there are animals that have significantly more pronounced claws. Also, if we're going to do this, you can justify "Goblin Queen" as somebody who commands mischievous or evil spirits; which is very much in keeping with what we see her do in the episode. Is it a bit of a stretch? Sure. But so are many of the others. Ultimately, it's going to be personal whether or not it works for you. For me, it really wasn't an issue at all. Also, on the topic of Madelyn Pryor (or however it is spelt), for me I just assumed that it was a name of some personal significance. We see two characters who share memories discuss it and when she suggests it Jean doesn't go "oh why did you pick that?" so it isn't a surprise to her. I can see that if you know the comics it would be a bit of a groan-worthy moment because you'd realise it's just "this is the comic name", but if you're not familiar with it then the conclusion you draw is that this is some name they've used in the past or the name of a childhood friend or whatever.
Lady Deathstrike was in a two part episode prior to the beginning of the Phoenix saga in season and Pyslocke was in a couple of episodes as well. Mostly in the beyond good and evil season ..where Apocalypse was capturing all the mutant psychics.
I'm glad other people like it, but honestly with Nathan Summers, Stryfe, Rachel Summers, Nate Grey, Tyler Dayspring and Hope Summers all coming from else where I would've actually liked to have seen the actual Jean Grey give birth *just once*
There is a flashback in that sequence where Jean/Madeline look into their past and see Jean’s childhood friend (named Madeline) getting hit by a car or something
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 In the comics, yes I believe, but in the show I am 99% certain she says Madeline. I can’t check right now but if you watch it, let me know
So. There was a bunch of stuff going on. Madelyne and Scott had been married and she gave birth, and basically told him they were leaving the X-Men. Some time after that, Jean's popsicle body is found and defrosted, Scott hears and runs to her, abandoning Madelyne and his son, and he forms X-Factor with Jean, Beast, and Ice Man. Not long after that, a group tried to kill Madelyne and kidnap baby Nathan, but the X-Men save her and Nathan. After that, the world believes that the X-Men all died. Scott believes his wife, son, and brother, and friends all died. However, the X-Men and Madelyne and Nathan are still alive and set up in the Australian outback. Alex keeps looking after Madelyne and his nephew, but they're both attractive people who have been hurt by Scott. So... they hook up. And when Madelyne goes Goblin Queen, of course she takes her new man along. That's as condensed as I can make it.
This entire show feels like opening a random issue of xmen and running with it, and i love it. It goes straight into the deep end like wild wild shit i barely read xmen i didn't know what i was getting into lol
Psylock was in the original anime and she looked exactly like that. Happens in Season 3 or 4 just before one of the many appearances of Apocalypse in the original series. She even fights Angel before he became Archangel and later on helps the X-Men with something, can't remember what. Also which game it is at 13:54 I don't think I've seen it. And I would say that there were a few days between Jean appearing at the door and Madelyne scanning her mind. Maybe they had to stabilize her before such attempts would have loved if they at least mentioned it in one of their lines or something.
I noticed some people took Scott walking out the door as him abandoning Nathan (after saying he wouldn’t) when it was kind of the opposite. He refused to take part in abandoning Nathan. But it was equally sad, because he didn’t say goodbye to him with Madelyn, presumably to not give credence to abandonment. He may regret not saying goodbye. I know I would in that situation.
It’s funny that you brought up Magik,because sometimes I look away when Morph transforms and I just think “oh,this X-Man is helping out this episode” that explains why after they were entranced,Magik didn’t come up again,because they obviously transformed back into normal Morph after Inferno was stopped.
Psylocke WAS in the OG animated series in "Beyond good and evil" saga. Magik was not. Not like that. As a child in one scene. Colossus showed up in a undershirt and jeans. Not his uniform.
Everyone Morph turned into so far had a cameo in the 90's series except adult Magik who is just a little girl in it. Colossus was never an official Xmen in the seris so never wore that uniform though.
I know the Inferno crossover series is not everyone's favorite but I always loved how bananas it was, plus it was the arc when the X-Men and X-Factor finally all met face to face. NGL, teenage me loved the Havok and Madelyn skimpy outfits - they were equally sexy. I think the cartoon would've been a bit better had they drawn (ha) out the storyline a bit more but I'm happy with how it all turned out. Loving this show!
I think you're overthinking the "Morph knows these X-Men" thing. I don't believe the writers are thinking about it that hard. I think it's just a "this is how we are going to do cameos in this show" thing.
Really deserved 2 (or more) episodes, it was a blast but ultimately pretty odd how quickly they resolved everything. If it needed more content (I don't think it would): make Rogue and Magneto's field mission be a distress call from Colossus and adapt the Limbo story rather than just do a throwaway Magik cameo that doesn't even make sense in-universe. Loved the Morph content regardless, shower scene might cause some controversy lmao
I'm not convinced that this is supposed to be the full Inferno story. I suspect this was more if a set-up for a lot of upcoming stirues, but likely in a future season. - baby Nathan, we will see about thar family connection. - because Valerie Cooper us involved, we will see X-Factor again - as a result, they will eventually have to deal with the Alex/Scott connection - i think they will have Maddie meet Alex and they will have a relationship - they Illayana bits are foreshadowing, she will be back in a version of New Mutants, as they have a few of the characters that exist. And we would get a full Inferno story that includes Magick.
The sequence of Morph becoming Magik (calling Madelyn "comrade") then getting mind controlled by Madelyn ("I want you to fight for me!") and becoming Darkchilde is a massive nod to Chris Claremont. Things like Morph saying "Yes my queen" and "I am POWER!" and concepts like mind control, identity loss, and being physically transformed are such Claremontian staples.
I think for Scott, it was great to see his powers and leadership on display, but also remembering that he's not a great person most of the time. I feel like we normally get weak powers and whiny leadership, on top of being an annoying person.
Gotta say out of all the fight choreography, Cyclops mobility with his OB is everything I hoped it would be and more. This is the most "kinetic" his blast has felt.
I had the same reaction to the Madeline Prior name drop. Like... what?? Why? What's the character justification? I had to watch again to see if maybe I missed something, and no, they just decided to have Clone Jean change her name because... the comics. Also had a problem with the justification for sending Nathan to the future. Did they FORGET that Wolverine developed the antibodies for that virus in season 2? In under a minute? And you're telling me Logan, who notoriously puts himself through an absurd amount of pain on a regular basis because he knows he'll survive, wouldn't do that again for Jean's sake? This episode definitely needed some breathing room, or at least to extend things like trying in vain to cure Nathan and Clone Jean taking her new name into the B plot of the next episode.
Spiral and Psylocke were both in more than one episode of the original series. With New Mutants, Dani and Magma were not, Karma had a brief non speaking visual cameo, and Cannonball, Warlock, Rictor, Boom Boom and Wolfsbane were all featured somehow, but poor Rahne and Tab didn't get to talk. Rahne got to growl. Rusty and Skids were in an episode, but they joined the MLF pretty shortly after leaving X-Factor and weren't New Mutants long. And of course now there's Roberto. And Illyana was a kid. Great points about the Rasputins, what's up with that? Would love to see Piotr change out of his work clothes... And into those red trunks... ☺️
The way the elements of this episode converged to show us these iconic scenes/poses from the comics reminds me a lot of the idea of Canon in the SpiderVerse. Madelyne chose those names for meta reasons, true, but one can infer that those decisions were reached because of Canon. They were inevitable, even if the path leading to those decisions is different.
You are one the of the first people to notice the "But why Goblin Queen and Madeline Pryor as names?", because it stood out to me, and the only reason that's given in the show is "It's from the comics". Also, this is a thing that X-Men TAS does ALOT is just use other X-Men and other Marvel Characters as background characters or minor characters, and sometimes, they have lines, and never say their names at times, and just skip over stuff, but they are there! One of the things I like about the original show, but also don't lol Also, Scott leaving because he can't watch Nathan go, but letting it happen for the best reason is probably a reasonable response for a person.
I would say the Goblin Queen's Hellscape was entirely internal mental illusions. The key to this is a theory of mental control/illusions that manipulates the subject through their emotions. If the illusion is connected to something the person *feels* is real, the mind will accept it more readily, even if intellectually they might see this as impossible. That's why each illusion was tied to a strong emotion. To affect everyone at once, it makes sense to me that it would be extremely difficult to multi task and trap everyone in separate illusions, so she takes one emotion they all share, guilt at not trusting the Jean that was at their side, and gives them the emotionally expected/desired result; punishment in the form of Hell. Again, the key here is that once the primary narrative is accepted, the subject's mind actually helps the illusionist, supporting the new reality, even filling in gaps and details to make it all seem even more real. This is the most basic con - get them emotionally hooked and they do all the work. This is why original Jean needed to appear and demonstrate the power to manipulate their reality in the same way - she needed to convince them that there was a way out and bring saved by their friend is another powerful emotional narrative. If she had just broken them free, it might have caused severe mental damage leaving them unable to believe the reality around them, so instead she eased them out of it, restored things in a progression they could follow and accept. It also occurs to me that Jean might not need to have suddenly become a Mastermind level illusionist. It's been established that mind linked non-psychics can be drawn into the astral plane, a place where reality is at the whim of the most powerful psychics. New Jean had fought with and presumably mind linked the entire team at one time or another, so it would be a familiar connection their minds wouldn't reject like an unknown invader, then she could have pulled the team into the astral plane where everything was under her control.
Jennifer Hale voices Jean she played Felicia Hardy Black Cat in the 90s animated Spider-Man. Madelyne Pryor seemed to have a bit of Felicia’s tone which was really cool.
Psylocke was in the original animated series. In one of the 4 parts of Beyond Good and Evil (I think 3) she robs Warren. Then she gets kidnapped as one of the psychics, and when she's freed she has a few fights.
I was genuinely surprised with how much of the story they packed into that single episode. Like we get a background, an exposition, *AND* a Zenkai boost? Impressive coherency.
I feel like we're supposed to take Logan's line "you think I don't know" as Morph wants a relationship but Logan doesn't. To the latter, they're just buddies.
Ngl I don’t understand why it’s such a problem with Morph and Logan. Ngl there chemistry together works really well and I feel like morph is one of the only people logan is willing to open himself up too.
Don’t worry Nando, Lenore Zann (Rogue’s actress) already confirmed that the show has been green-lit for not only season 2 but ALSO season 3
That's great to hear but realistically meaningless in the age of studios scrapping entire finished movies and shows before release.
Technically Season's 7 and 8.
@pantyosashu8137 boy I do love that we can debate if this is Season 6 of the OG show or Season 1 of a totally new show 😊
@@Justin-zy3hnwhy can't it be both? the first Season of a totally new show that is also a continuation (thus Season 6 and beyond) of the OG show.
@@2nd3rd1st While true, it's a moot point with the viewship got being on 4 millions. It's doing just fine
Big props to Jennifer Hale this episode, she really made Jean and Madelyne sound distinct from one another one, showed a lot of range, and was really fun as the Goblin Queen
She's SO talented
I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite show on D+
I don't get that, they were both Jean Grey. It's not a Clone Wars situation where each clone has his own personality, they had the same personality. The whole wanting to leave was Sinister's programming to make the kid easier to nab.
That's Jennifer "commander shepard Kyoshi" Hale to you.
I only learned when I looked it up, but Jennifer Hale voiced Jean Grey in Wolverine and the X-Men.
And yes, she's so talented! Just comparing all the different characters she has done, often I don't realize it's her.
I am just astounded at how HORNY they let Goblin Queen be.
Not to mention, letting Sinister be at almost Mephisto levels of tittering demonic presence. His powers are totally undefined, hell, what he's MADE OF is totally undefined. Scott CAVED IN HIS CHEST with that one blast, and he's just filled with freakin ecto-cooler. And he can just melt into shadow and disappear into nothing in the blink of an eye.
Everyone seems horny in this show
Netflix really spoiled me by binge watching. Waiting a week for new 97 episodes is killing me.
Also, this show is making me love Morph even more. Poor guy spent half the original series recovering from Sinister's bullshit and even now that man still haunts him. Seeing him turn into both sides of Magik was a cool little detail too.
As for Sunspot the way I saw it was he said he didn’t wanna be an x-men and went home. But they did flirt and he likes Jubilee and wants to do what teenage boys like to do so he came over to the mansion just to hang with her- easy simple and explains him hangin out.
Also we know enough time passed for Beast to have done a DNA test on both women, so there's no reason why Roberto couldn't have come over in between.
Yeah, she just paged him to hangout. Really not a complex answer for his presence, it's funny how many people are confused because by him being there. Guess they just ignored like half the final scene of E1.
Right. All mutants are welcome there, doesn’t mean they want to join the team or enroll at the school.
I thought that was so obvious, I thought everyone assumed that.
Also he’s rich af. He could literally charter a plane to go see her.
"its been one year since professor xavier got shot" were the first words in the new show.
What, do you expect people to listen to the dialogue for information? Pfft.
@@MathewWoodard
I’m gonna agree with your point. It’s like asking gamers to look upwards. Very difficult.
it's nando, critical thinking skills aren't his strong points
@@ThatOneGuy7550 um? Why are you here then?
@@WouldYouKindlyNot why not
"That is not how that prank went in the show that is how it would go in the porn"
I'm dead lmao
Psylocke was in the original show. She teamed up with Bishop to try and stop Apocalypse from ascending to godhood somewhere outside of time and space. She wasn't a recurring character, but she was there.
Wasn't Psyloche in the Iceman episode?
@tylerjohnson2470 maybe? It's been a while. I seem to remember something like that. Or maybe I'm mis-remembering another cartoon? 🤷♂️
Season 4 finale.
She was supposed to join the team at the end of her „beyond good and evil“ storyline alongside bishop, shard and archangel. Xavier, storm, jubilee, Jean and cyclops were supposed to be written out. That was changed when fox renewed the show for season 5 and demanded the old team.
@@tylerjohnson2470 no
Psylocke was in the original and wore that costume. Her first appearance was as a ninja thief stealing something from the Worthington estate and as she fights, she tears off her ninja garb and her Psylocke outfit is on underneath.
Besty Brodrick/ Kwannon Psylock/Revanche storyline this what I think this from.
@9:33 Respectfully, as someone who clocked how Morph feels about Logan all the way back at the beginning of the OG series just from the way they screamed his name as they saved him from the Sentinel, Morph and Logan aren't (currently) hooking up.
Morph definitely wants to. And I doubt Logan would take much convincing if he wasn't head over heels for specifically the actual Jean.
But the way the Inferno Wolverine speaks to Morph makes it clear that they've never explicitly stated what they want, leaving their intentions to bleed through their jokes and transformations.
Yeah, the way it's been handled in the revival at least definitely feels like Morph's in unrequited mode, while Wolverine just thinks they're "good friends" as he's really hung up on Jean.
Maybe I'm missing something from newer comics, but I don't think Logan is canonically bi. I know his son swings that way, but I've only ever known Wolverine to have women partners. I think ol Wolvie loves Morph, but not in the same way Morph feels about him.
@@BlackShardStudiothere’s only James Howlett and his metal romance with the Earth’s Hercules.
I thought Jean, Scott and Logan were a thruple in the latest comics. @@BlackShardStudio
It's sort of implied in the last few years of comics that Scott and Jean allow Logan to . . . partake in certain aspects of their relationship with them.
A lot of this is rumor based on a hot tub scene and the fact that Jean's room has connecting doors to both Scott's and Logan's rooms (in the house they share on the moon with Scott's brothers).
Look, you place a mind-controlled redhead in black leather, you will receive a sizable audience. The added bonus was actually stripping away the less well-received parts of X-Men's Madelyne/Inferno storyline and streamlining it for newcomers.
And also having Madelyne be Alive so she’s the one saying goodbye to Nathan.
I actually liked this Maddie. The one in the book I was always like, "Bish, you is trying to sacrifice your child to the devil. Whut."
@@MichaelJosephRojas That was unfortunately the climax of her part of the story so it’s the part most remembered.
How did she come about the Goblin Queen name though in this show? I understand that if she was going Goblin Mode she might as well be a _queen_ but what was her internal thought process.
It worked for Dark Phoenix saga, ain't it? 😂
The animation quality of this series has been awesome. The visuals from the Goblin Queens transformation to her fight with Magneto were fantastic. The pacing was frantic but it was still engaging. I need the Goblin Queen to return.
When Cable returns, they have to.
Yeah, I really need more from Madelyne. I loved the episode but I am kinda bummed that they did a one-episode speed-run through one of the most epic, years in the making X-men storylines of all time. I hope they bring her back as a villain, maybe after being corrupted by S’ym or N’Astirh, although I’m not sure what her motivation would be now that baby Cable is out of the picture
@@philcorrigan5641 Kicking Sinister’s ass most likely. Or at least trying to find a way to remove those psychic triggers.
If Cable comes back, she has to appear.
Considering how compressed some of the storylines are, in my head canon Colossus joined the X-Men, got his costume, Illanya got kidnapped to Limbo, came back as a teenager, joined the team, became the Darkchylde, and both left the X-Men, all in the space of a single "lost episode". 😀
Right. Also...doesn't need an explanation of time because in real time cannon she wasn't gone long. Went in a child...came back a day later as a teen. I think she spent 7 years there
@@bryfunkensteinHaving read the story recently, it’s actually much shorter than a day on Earth. The X-Men follow Illyana into Limbo, and in their escape, Kitty loses her grip on Illyana for a split second when going through their escape portal, when she gets her grip again and pulls her through, Illyana aged 7 years.
@@DudeDude319 it's literally been decades since I read it. I just know it was quick
Scott Summers has major abandonment issues and I thought they laid this out really well. He was abandoned as a child by his father, sacrificed himself to save his younger brother (taking brain damage that is why he can't control his blasts) and lost his his brother, the only family he had left, when Alex was adopted and Scott was left to suffer alone in an orphanage the rest of his childhood.
When he walks out on the group, he says, "I can't be a part of this." To me, I read that as, "I intellectually see the logic in your arguments, but I am seeing my emotional issues getting in the way and every second I argue with you is hurting my son, keeping him from getting the help he needs." Scott walking out here is him sacrificing his emotional health for his son. He takes the burden again of being the adult and making the hard decision, to not give in to his childish need to prove better than his father and instead to take on his father's role for the good of his son.
To me this says he hasn't gone through the arc of discovering his father is Corsair and that his father sacrificed himself to save Scott yet, because this is a great setup to help Scott understand his father more when he does.
I agree, and I think that's a good take on Scott.
Also as someone who's read the books, but not watched the animated series, catching up with the show's continuity can get confusing at times. I'm having a lot of "Oh, they haven't covered that yet?" moments watching 97.
The animated series does cover Scott discovering that Corsair is his father and them reconciling (at least to some extent). That doesn't mean that he's really dealt with that trauma of being abandoned and having to do to his son what was done to him (even if it's justified).
@@matthewjoy475 Thanks. Good to know.
it's Nando, he's not known to have critical thinking skills
Honestly this is what I came here to say. I feel like this is a rare Nando L, where he just misread the scene. On the first part, I feel like people would have clowned Cyclops here regardless of if he stepped out of the room or simply stepped back into a corner or something. But yeah, to the point of Cyclops, Cyclops states that he won't abandon his son, and thus chooses to step out of the discussion because nothing would convince him otherwise. He, and we the viewers, understand that not only is there no talking sense to Cyclops here, but also as the leader of the team, there's nothing stopping him from ordering Beast from making a 2nd bracelet and sending Cyke with his son to the future. It's the same reason he didn't show up for the goodbye. We all know Cyclops would not have been able to contain himself and would have either fought Bishop or gone with Bishop to the future, both of which would be very bad for the team.
An important aspect of Cyclops and what makes him different from Wolverine is his emotional control vs Wolverine's lack thereof. So for Cyclops, he could probably feel himself getting frustrated over the matter and chose to step back before he does something bad, vs stay in the room and fight everyone. And that's what makes him the leader of the XMen, the knowledge that sometimes the best thing to do is to step away from the situation and not let your emotions get in the way of what's best for someone.
13:48 I like to think this Morph variant followed in their comic counterpart’s footsteps and became a reality hopping Exile. They just don’t tell anyone because of the rules of the universe or whatever. Still, they’re not gonna exactly forget what they learned on their travels.
The animation for the Goblin Queen really reminded me of the Castlevania series. Definitely enhanced the fight scenes.
3:23 X-Men 97 takes place a year ( in their time) after the end of season 5
11:00 i been thinking this same damn thing about how morph morph's into characters they may have not encountered (or he has not encountered). the darkchylde and kwannon caught me off guard.
Scott feels like a real guy I have known since I was a kid. Just a real dude who walked over from the real world into comics and cartoons. His power is average/below average, almost believable, he sucks in very real ways, but he is also excellent in very real ways. No frills, only thrills.
And I can kinda appreciate his hesitation but not flipping out at the clone revelation. Like, that is a LOT to take in all at once, but he still genuinely CARES. He's just trying to sort out what that caring is going to look like.
He just got handed a huge bombshell and when Madelyne asks him to respond, he's just still buffering. But he also goes after her to talk once he's got a LITTLE more grasp. Even if he fumbles that too.
@@hartthornI have to disagree a bit. A real dude who is not really bad with emotions would have seen Maddy P and probably would have had something more calming for her. He's instantly turned off the second he realizes she's a clone. Why not say something like, "Hey, my feelings for you have been true regardless of who you are." I get it, the episode needs to happen, so Scott has to be clumsy with his words and actions, which is fine. People can have weaknesses. Especially super powered people, but lets not pretend like the way he handled things was anything close to a well adjusted dude.
(Not that we should expect someone with his background/baggage to be well adjusted).
@@ILoveJamesFelt Here's my thinking: to him it's almost like cheating. He fell in love with Jean. He had a life with Jean. And then he finds out that some unknown amount of that is a lie. That it was someone else all together. Even if unintentional, that is gonna feel like a betrayal. And that's the tragedy of the whole situation: no one did anything wrong (well, except Sinister, but we're not concerned about him).
@@ILoveJamesFelt Actually, your version is the type of response an extremely well-adjusted, calm and controlled person would give, but that level of comforting emotionally intelligence is not common or easy.
There are countless people who complain about the insensitivity, emotional immaturity, trauma formed, anger ridden and/or clueless types of responses people give in simple, much less mind-bogglingly complex situations.
Dude just had a son, by a woman he married, who was a clone of the woman he loved, who was captive elsewhere for an unknown period of time. That will throw some percentage of people for a loop, and it is probably likely that only a smaller percentage of people would have that type of comforting response.
@@hartthorncorrect. Complex situation that may take a moment to reconcile, and while unsure how one even feels, one may act in ways they'd regret in hindsight.
Just by changing the order in which events happen, the conditions under which they happen since this is still when Scott himself is part of the X-Men, and how Madelyne's arc actually ends with her restarting her life under that identity Ben Reilly-style rather than her just being introduced as a different person so she could be procedurally written out and made obsolete by bringing back Jean; it fixes like virtually everything that's either unnecessarily convoluted or toxic about her origin and actually makes her a symoathizable character without just putting her through the worst mental torture to stage her villainy like Scott abandoning her or her feeling suicidal because the X-Men don't help her often
Excellent summary of how I feel about this. The reveal of Jean at the door was much more shocking and left out the ‘going out for milk and cigarettes’ shenanigans. Hoo boy they are all three so confused now but in a much more understandable way.
14:52 I just figured he and Jubilee were two kids hanging out. No one joined any teams or anything. Insofar as I know, anyway. Next episode comes out and might make me a wrong guy, instead of Strong Guy!
Nando losing his mind over lore and i am all here for it
I def picked up on the Wolverine/ Morph vibes but In that shower scene Wolverine says something like "you don't think we know Morph but we all know" which sort of gave me in the impression that Morph was into Wolverine but it wasn't reciprocated.
I do think Morph and Wolverine are reading different things into their interactions, if for not other reason than because that's better drama. Wolverine clearly is still completely into Jean, as we see in this episode when she scans his mind. And Morph is completely into Wolverine, but the only way he they can access those feelings is through the playful (and suggestive) banter, because Morph and Wolverine have been through too much. All the old series stuff happened, and Morph knows Wolverine doesn't love them, so Morph takes what they can get. And I do think we're going to get that played out, and the parallel between their respective unrequited loves.
I’m not gonna lie, idk how anyone watched the last 2 episodes and thought “omg Wolverines gay” lol. Like you said, the previous shows canon and he was in love with Jean then and still loves her now (as implied by the mind read, as you pointed out)
Morph is def on his way to gettin rejected Tyler the Creator x Jerrod Carmichael style and I think it’ll be a point of drama later on
I actually hadn’t drawn the line the way you did with both of them having unrequited loves in different ways
@@MathisR412 Well, and if they'd decided to give Wolverine a different arc, that he's moving past Jean, I'd be fine if they wanted to see how he and Morph pair, but that didn't seem to be where they were going, and this episode I feel confirms that's not the direction. My guess is Morph gets rejected and they then (hopefully) find a better match.
@@jakeekiss I woulda thought it’d be a very strange change to make for Wolverine given he’s always been known to be a ladykiller despite his looks and stature. Apparently Iceman is gay now in the comics? Maybe they’ll bring him back into the show or somethin
@@MathisR412 Plenty of folks play all sides of the fence quite happily. The fact that Logan is a stud with the ladies says nothing about his abilities, or proclivities, towards anyone else. He's been around for well over a century, who knows how many partners he's had and in what varieties.
We also can't really take a network kids show depiction in the 90s, when standards and practices wouldn't even allow the word "kill" as the default for thorough examinations of the human condition. This has been a thing the X-men, even and especially in comics, has struggled to get around since Claremont took over in the 80s. There were a LOT of lgb+ storylines that never saw the page not because the authors weren't interested, but because editorial put the brakes on them.
Nightcrawler's mother and "father" were originally supposed to be Mystique and Destiny. There is a LOT of very thinly veiled stories that point to Kitty Pryde being at least bi (especially in Excalibur), and Rachel and her having on/off relationships. Etc etc.
Basically, not new for X-Men to have the content, it's new that the authors are actually allowed to explore it. They likely won't do Wolverine because a certain contingent of fans would feel betrayed or whatever, but like, real people come out as gay or bi after years letting everyone think they're straight. I've known some of them.
In the old series, Colossus wears the suit that Morph transforms into, and Psylocke has also appeared. I'm also a fan of Magik, but I don't recall her appearing in the suit, so I hope they explain it at some point. Although, I'm afraid they might have explained it in the comics connecting the two series that I've never been able to find. On another note, I interpreted the interactions between Morph and Wolverine more as Logan seeing them as a bromance, but not necessarily Morph, especially judging by the look on his face after teasing Gambit.
If it makes you feel better, the comics continuing the old show (which were aptly titled "X-Men '92" are kinda their own continuity now. They did a '92 ocmic series a couple years ago adapting elements of the Krakoa era that seems to have retconned all those continuation comics out of continuity for the sake of the new show. The only things officially part of this universe now are the original show, the Spider-Man show that crossed over with it, the new show, and a single comic (also called X-Men '97) that started this month and is set between the two series. Annnnd so far there's no Magik in the new comic, so we still have no idea where Morph saw that costume
The pun with Maddie Pryor was "Made prior."
I mean, it definitely works as a retcon. Maddie's whole deal was originally a subversion of Hitchcock's Vertigo, with Jimmy Stewart's Scotty falling in love with Kim Novak's Madeline.
@@willbeaty6892 Wow, I didn't know about that background, what a fun layer of complexity!
Jennifer Hale has been voicing Jean since 09 in Wolverine and The X-men but it took this long for her to do it for an entire show
That show got me into reading the comics.
Because of Emma Frost and Dust.
The name Madelyne might come from her friend that died. I noticed on re-watch that when her best friend is killed she calls out, “Maddie”- kinda wish they made a one sentence reference to the friend and it would’ve been more clear…
The friend's name is Annie, and the caption confirms it. But yeah, it almost feels like it should have been changed to Maddy for this reason. I don't think too many Jean stans would mind Annie Richardson being renamed for a good cause.
Yup. It's a missed opportunity. As it is, both the name Madelyne and the surname Pryor came out of nowhere.
They have a new x-men 97 comic that feels in the gap time between the last episode of the 90s and now- it’s out now so that might help u with the timeline (I’m too broke to buy it so I’m counting on u to get it and let us know about it)!
Roberto is there for Jubilee. It doesn't matter when he decided to come back. It's not relevant. They're hanging out. I don't understand why that's so unexpected to some viewers. Not everything has to be shown 🤷🏽♂️
To answer a couple questions you had in the video, yes, Psylocke does show up in X-Men: the Animated Series, I believe it's in the Beyond Good and Evil episodes at the end of Season 4 when the villains are kidnapping psychic characters. So far, every one of Morph's transformations has been of someone that was in the Animated Series at some point. I also agree that we're seeing older versions of the characters and in forms that indicate some time has passed since we've seen them.
As far as how much time has passed between the end of the Animated Series and the beginning of '97, we see and hear in the first Episode of '97 that Xavier "died" last year and that the date on his death certificate is November 11, 1996, so it's at least a couple months since then for 96 to be "last year", and with Madelyne being pregnant and having Cable in Episode 2 it's gotta be around 9 or so months since the end of the Animated Series. Basically, we're essentially told that they're somewhere in the May-August 1997 timeframe for this show with the original series ending in November 1996 in-Universe, and I'd hazard a guess and say '97 is at least 2-3 years in-Universe since the beginning of the Animated Series, possibly longer.
Also, as far as Sunspot being in Episode 3 when he wasn't in 2, he did give Jubilee his number in Episode 1, so she probably called him to come over as it would have taken a bit of time for Beast to run his tests on Jean and Madelyne, so there was a bit of time in between the 2 episodes.
Besides all that though, I agree, as a horror fan I love what they did with the episode and with Madelyne's powers and outfit and such. I hope we see more of those horror elements pop up in upcoming Marvel projects.
Pretty sure Mother Askani is an alias for Rachel Grey(Jean's daughter) from an alternate future.
Riiiiiiiight. Duh
Days of Future Past timeline!
The one that cane for Nathan was a sister of the order. They found out about Rachel being Mother Askani a couple years after that.
I've always been very lukewarm about everything concerning Madeline Pryor, but Episode 3 is still my second favorite so far. Only being beaten by Episode 2 because of how hard Magneto's speeches hit
This episode was fantastic! This is exactly want I wanted and so much more! Give me more of this amazing batshit insanity! These are the trippy as hell X-Men stories I've waited so long for! I'm so happy to have these X-Men back as a family because this is what I missed the most! The chaotic energy from the X-Men as they go through hell trying to figure out what the heck is going on. This is exactly what's going to get me tuning in every week for this incredible show! 🌟✨️🎆 10/10 episode!!!
I’m all in for New Mutants. They were the side of X-men I loved most after the 90’s cartoon gatewayed me into picking up comic backissues and collections. If I had any disappointment with 97’s Inferno it would simply be because the New Mutants side of that story couldn’t take place without a season of buildup.
Ideal timeline would give us a full Asgardian Wars animated movie.
And it is so refreshing to see non-comic readers finally trashing Scott for the RIGHT reasons! Love him, but also “damn it, Scott.”
Yeah, I think the only time to really still dislike Scott is how he was with Maddie.
I would love for a New Mutants spin-off. I loved the recent Ayala run. Karma is one of my favourites.
If Miss Marvel does go into mutant territory, I want her to be in a story with Dust.
Betsy does appear in X-Men 92, but only in the last two episodes of season 4. She doesn't have a very big role in the show in general.
Fun fact: Stryfe, and Rachel Summers both appear in those same episodes. Didn't catch that the first time I watched them.
In episode one I believe they said a year has passed
Wolfsbane appeared in the same Iceman/X-Factor episode as Alex (as well as present-day Forge). Psylocke appeared in the epic Beyond Good And Evil four-parter where Apocalypse kidnaps all the psychics in his bid to remake the universe in his image. Dani and Karma never appeared in the cartoon.
Karma was one of the telepaths captured by Apocalypse in “Beyond Good and Evil”, but she wore the costume from her first appearance so she was hard to recognize
@@gregorybaker5558 Yeah, in that case I definitely didn't recognize her then.
I think the way Morph was messing with Gambit is supposed to be interpreted as lil bro messing with big bro or vice versa, by Morph’s facial expression, to me he knew clearly that Remy wouldn’t throw hands, he would just be in his feelings…the way the whole scene went seemed to be a brotherly bond between Wolverine, Morph and Gambit…just ribbing each other…
Gambit being perpetually lil bro'd from everywhere. 😂
We need to realize that the first show did alot of big brain concepts squished down into a single episode, this felt totally normal
That is a fair assessment, many comics storylines were stripped down and compressed for the original series. It was a show for kids. This sequel, however, is a pure nostalgia bait for the people who watched the original so it could develop yogether with the audience. It's good but I still felt this Ingerno thing was rushed, both in start and finish sense.
11:50 Psylocke was in the OG animated series. I can’t remember which season or story arc she was in, but I definitely remember her making a brief appearance and psi-blasting a dog.
I don’t know that we’re supposed to read TOO much into Morph’s “morphs” beyond fan service. Same reason Jean Doe just randomly referenced her comic book names without justification. These are member-berries.
Yeah. Them turning into Magik and the Darkchild comes from the fact that, for the new mutants, the main character of Inferno was Ilyana.
5:42 I don’t know about the Goblin queen part but I feel like Prior kinda still applies here because it kinda resonates with what both Madelyn and Jean are going through right now (if that makes sense?)
Psylocke was in the original show in the Jim Lee outfit, but only for like 2 or 3 episodes.
As somebody who hasn't read to comics or watched the original show, I didn't find it particularly jarring seeing her call herself "Goblin Queen" or "Madelyne Pryor". Like, is it a little goofy? Sure. But the way I figured I just assumed this was like the evil persona Sinister planted in her that he just awoke, like a sleeper agent.
I will say, I wish we would see more of the Goblin Queen persona, but I think all that we absolutely needed was a little scene where she is defeated by Jean Grey and comes to terms with Scott at the end of their fight. It is not quite satisfying to see her go directly from fighting the X-Men to teaming up with Cyclops with no sort of material in-between, and its not like its a real TV show that has to stick strictly to their time-slot, they could easily add a minute or two to the run-time to just tighten that up. But otherwise it was another banger of an episode.
It's not goofy, it doesn't make sense. She is not commanding any goblins, she has noyhing to do with goblins so it's almost as random as calling herself Unicorn Knight. Just imagine them making a movie about Peter Parker who was shot with super soldier serum, uses vibranium shield and wears red white and blue but is still called Spider Man because comics. Shit does not make sense.
@@sathrielsatanson666 dude, all the X-Men have silly names. We've got a guy called Wolverine whose powers are regeneration and having knives in his hands. What has that got to do with wolverines? Hell, she's literally created by a guy who is called MISTER SINISTER. I really don't see why Goblin Queen is anymore ridiculous than that. It seems like a consistent level of goofy to me.
Don't get me wrong, it would be cool to see her with some goblins at some point in the future. But that's really not a deal breaker for me.
@kapitankapital6580 Again, silly and doesn't make sense are two different things. Look up how wolverines look, big claws are their prominent feature, so that is a silly example. You think what Nathaniel Essex is doing is not Sinister? Seriously, next think you are going to tell me that Warren Warthington should not be called Angel because he is not a celestial being.
Again, my argument is not that Jean's clone in the series being called Madeline Pryor aka Goblin Queen is silly. I am arguing that her being called Goblin Queen does only make sense if you know she was called that in the comics. It is a nitpicky kinda argument but it is a valid one.
@@sathrielsatanson666 wolverines don't have three claws though, and let's be real there are animals that have significantly more pronounced claws.
Also, if we're going to do this, you can justify "Goblin Queen" as somebody who commands mischievous or evil spirits; which is very much in keeping with what we see her do in the episode. Is it a bit of a stretch? Sure. But so are many of the others.
Ultimately, it's going to be personal whether or not it works for you. For me, it really wasn't an issue at all.
Also, on the topic of Madelyn Pryor (or however it is spelt), for me I just assumed that it was a name of some personal significance. We see two characters who share memories discuss it and when she suggests it Jean doesn't go "oh why did you pick that?" so it isn't a surprise to her. I can see that if you know the comics it would be a bit of a groan-worthy moment because you'd realise it's just "this is the comic name", but if you're not familiar with it then the conclusion you draw is that this is some name they've used in the past or the name of a childhood friend or whatever.
12:03 They were all in the original series wearing those costumes. Magik is the only one that hadn't shown up with that look
Lady Deathstrike was in a two part episode prior to the beginning of the Phoenix saga in season and Pyslocke was in a couple of episodes as well. Mostly in the beyond good and evil season ..where Apocalypse was capturing all the mutant psychics.
Dope review too Nando
10:58 Morph just hitting Gambit with the "That's rough buddy."
Nando, we would love for you to give your thoughts on each episode every week!
I’d assume it’s been 9-10 months since the end of TAS due to the baby. Charles “”died”” on 11/11/96, so now it’s gotta be around August 1997
I'm glad other people like it, but honestly with Nathan Summers, Stryfe, Rachel Summers, Nate Grey, Tyler Dayspring and Hope Summers all coming from else where I would've actually liked to have seen the actual Jean Grey give birth *just once*
Hope is adopted though, from a random woman in Alaska in present time.
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732She’s still nonetheless a genetic offshoot of Jean.
Doesn't a newscaster refer to Gyrich's shooting of Xavier as taking place "one year ago"?
There is a flashback in that sequence where Jean/Madeline look into their past and see Jean’s childhood friend (named Madeline) getting hit by a car or something
The childhood friend is named "Annie"
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 In the comics, yes I believe, but in the show I am 99% certain she says Madeline. I can’t check right now but if you watch it, let me know
i think inferno could at least been a 2 parter. to flesh things out a smidge more. but im a heavy xmen COMIC nerd, so.. 🤷🏾♂️
15:50 WHAT!?! Havok was hooking up with his brother’s baby momma?!?!
That's not even the weirdest romance either either of them had.
So. There was a bunch of stuff going on. Madelyne and Scott had been married and she gave birth, and basically told him they were leaving the X-Men. Some time after that, Jean's popsicle body is found and defrosted, Scott hears and runs to her, abandoning Madelyne and his son, and he forms X-Factor with Jean, Beast, and Ice Man. Not long after that, a group tried to kill Madelyne and kidnap baby Nathan, but the X-Men save her and Nathan. After that, the world believes that the X-Men all died. Scott believes his wife, son, and brother, and friends all died.
However, the X-Men and Madelyne and Nathan are still alive and set up in the Australian outback. Alex keeps looking after Madelyne and his nephew, but they're both attractive people who have been hurt by Scott. So... they hook up. And when Madelyne goes Goblin Queen, of course she takes her new man along.
That's as condensed as I can make it.
This entire show feels like opening a random issue of xmen and running with it, and i love it.
It goes straight into the deep end like wild wild shit i barely read xmen i didn't know what i was getting into lol
this is such a great channel. really enjoying these
From what I've heard it's been a year since the original series
Psylock was in the original anime and she looked exactly like that. Happens in Season 3 or 4 just before one of the many appearances of Apocalypse in the original series. She even fights Angel before he became Archangel and later on helps the X-Men with something, can't remember what. Also which game it is at 13:54 I don't think I've seen it. And I would say that there were a few days between Jean appearing at the door and Madelyne scanning her mind. Maybe they had to stabilize her before such attempts would have loved if they at least mentioned it in one of their lines or something.
I noticed some people took Scott walking out the door as him abandoning Nathan (after saying he wouldn’t) when it was kind of the opposite. He refused to take part in abandoning Nathan. But it was equally sad, because he didn’t say goodbye to him with Madelyn, presumably to not give credence to abandonment. He may regret not saying goodbye. I know I would in that situation.
Cyclops: "I won't abandon you!" (leaves room)
Internet: "WTF he totally abandoned that baby for a moment to that eminently capable healthcare ward!"
This show slaps so hard.
It’s funny that you brought up Magik,because sometimes I look away when Morph transforms and I just think “oh,this X-Man is helping out this episode” that explains why after they were entranced,Magik didn’t come up again,because they obviously transformed back into normal Morph after Inferno was stopped.
The childhood friend who was killed being hit by the car was Maddie short for Madelyne Pryor. That's why the clone took the name.
I think they called her "Annie".
Psylocke WAS in the OG animated series in "Beyond good and evil" saga. Magik was not. Not like that. As a child in one scene. Colossus showed up in a undershirt and jeans. Not his uniform.
Everyone Morph turned into so far had a cameo in the 90's series except adult Magik who is just a little girl in it. Colossus was never an official Xmen in the seris so never wore that uniform though.
I know the Inferno crossover series is not everyone's favorite but I always loved how bananas it was, plus it was the arc when the X-Men and X-Factor finally all met face to face. NGL, teenage me loved the Havok and Madelyn skimpy outfits - they were equally sexy. I think the cartoon would've been a bit better had they drawn (ha) out the storyline a bit more but I'm happy with how it all turned out. Loving this show!
I think you're overthinking the "Morph knows these X-Men" thing.
I don't believe the writers are thinking about it that hard. I think it's just a "this is how we are going to do cameos in this show" thing.
“Doesn’t ANYONE know what it’s like to be abandoned??” *everyone disliked that*
I hope you played midnight suns man, some peak magik and some excellent depictions of some others
😂when he said "Beast did 69 to Wolverine" I DIED! 🤣
Really deserved 2 (or more) episodes, it was a blast but ultimately pretty odd how quickly they resolved everything. If it needed more content (I don't think it would): make Rogue and Magneto's field mission be a distress call from Colossus and adapt the Limbo story rather than just do a throwaway Magik cameo that doesn't even make sense in-universe.
Loved the Morph content regardless, shower scene might cause some controversy lmao
"Alright, we have Elizabeth Hale for Jean Grey."
"...so we're doing Madelyne Pryor/Dark Phoenix, right?"
"Yeaaahhh..."
Pryor because "from before", yes. Madelyne is a reference to Veritgo, another story about Dead Wife's Doppelganger
Nando, did you put your X-Men figures in a Mexican standoff?! 😂
Didn't we all do that as kids 😂😂
I always did even my justice league and legion of doom ones
I'm not convinced that this is supposed to be the full Inferno story. I suspect this was more if a set-up for a lot of upcoming stirues, but likely in a future season.
- baby Nathan, we will see about thar family connection.
- because Valerie Cooper us involved, we will see X-Factor again
- as a result, they will eventually have to deal with the Alex/Scott connection
- i think they will have Maddie meet Alex and they will have a relationship
- they Illayana bits are foreshadowing, she will be back in a version of New Mutants, as they have a few of the characters that exist. And we would get a full Inferno story that includes Magick.
The sequence of Morph becoming Magik (calling Madelyn "comrade") then getting mind controlled by Madelyn ("I want you to fight for me!") and becoming Darkchilde is a massive nod to Chris Claremont. Things like Morph saying "Yes my queen" and "I am POWER!" and concepts like mind control, identity loss, and being physically transformed are such Claremontian staples.
Askani is correct. Her deal is that she's his big sister Rachel from the future. I see why they dropped it. It's pretty complicated.
I think for Scott, it was great to see his powers and leadership on display, but also remembering that he's not a great person most of the time. I feel like we normally get weak powers and whiny leadership, on top of being an annoying person.
Gotta say out of all the fight choreography, Cyclops mobility with his OB is everything I hoped it would be and more.
This is the most "kinetic" his blast has felt.
I had the same reaction to the Madeline Prior name drop. Like... what?? Why? What's the character justification? I had to watch again to see if maybe I missed something, and no, they just decided to have Clone Jean change her name because... the comics. Also had a problem with the justification for sending Nathan to the future. Did they FORGET that Wolverine developed the antibodies for that virus in season 2? In under a minute? And you're telling me Logan, who notoriously puts himself through an absurd amount of pain on a regular basis because he knows he'll survive, wouldn't do that again for Jean's sake? This episode definitely needed some breathing room, or at least to extend things like trying in vain to cure Nathan and Clone Jean taking her new name into the B plot of the next episode.
I just now remembered that the voice of jean in this show (Jennifer Hale) voiced her in Marvel vs Capcom 3
11:48 - yes, she was in the series, and yes she looked EXACTLY like that
Spiral and Psylocke were both in more than one episode of the original series. With New Mutants, Dani and Magma were not, Karma had a brief non speaking visual cameo, and Cannonball, Warlock, Rictor, Boom Boom and Wolfsbane were all featured somehow, but poor Rahne and Tab didn't get to talk. Rahne got to growl. Rusty and Skids were in an episode, but they joined the MLF pretty shortly after leaving X-Factor and weren't New Mutants long. And of course now there's Roberto. And Illyana was a kid. Great points about the Rasputins, what's up with that? Would love to see Piotr change out of his work clothes...
And into those red trunks... ☺️
Rusty and Skids were in the Killgrave Purple Man episode right?
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 Yes, so was Boom Boom. (Taki was never on the New Mutants, but was in that episode also.)
Askani is Scott and Jeans daughter
Days of future past timeline
The way the elements of this episode converged to show us these iconic scenes/poses from the comics reminds me a lot of the idea of Canon in the SpiderVerse. Madelyne chose those names for meta reasons, true, but one can infer that those decisions were reached because of Canon. They were inevitable, even if the path leading to those decisions is different.
I only wish they hadn't speed run through it. Like, at least a 2 part episode
The figurines in the background is a nice touch.
I would love to see the Australia-Outback X-Men.
You are one the of the first people to notice the "But why Goblin Queen and Madeline Pryor as names?", because it stood out to me, and the only reason that's given in the show is "It's from the comics".
Also, this is a thing that X-Men TAS does ALOT is just use other X-Men and other Marvel Characters as background characters or minor characters, and sometimes, they have lines, and never say their names at times, and just skip over stuff, but they are there! One of the things I like about the original show, but also don't lol
Also, Scott leaving because he can't watch Nathan go, but letting it happen for the best reason is probably a reasonable response for a person.
I would say the Goblin Queen's Hellscape was entirely internal mental illusions. The key to this is a theory of mental control/illusions that manipulates the subject through their emotions. If the illusion is connected to something the person *feels* is real, the mind will accept it more readily, even if intellectually they might see this as impossible.
That's why each illusion was tied to a strong emotion. To affect everyone at once, it makes sense to me that it would be extremely difficult to multi task and trap everyone in separate illusions, so she takes one emotion they all share, guilt at not trusting the Jean that was at their side, and gives them the emotionally expected/desired result; punishment in the form of Hell. Again, the key here is that once the primary narrative is accepted, the subject's mind actually helps the illusionist, supporting the new reality, even filling in gaps and details to make it all seem even more real. This is the most basic con - get them emotionally hooked and they do all the work.
This is why original Jean needed to appear and demonstrate the power to manipulate their reality in the same way - she needed to convince them that there was a way out and bring saved by their friend is another powerful emotional narrative.
If she had just broken them free, it might have caused severe mental damage leaving them unable to believe the reality around them, so instead she eased them out of it, restored things in a progression they could follow and accept.
It also occurs to me that Jean might not need to have suddenly become a Mastermind level illusionist. It's been established that mind linked non-psychics can be drawn into the astral plane, a place where reality is at the whim of the most powerful psychics. New Jean had fought with and presumably mind linked the entire team at one time or another, so it would be a familiar connection their minds wouldn't reject like an unknown invader, then she could have pulled the team into the astral plane where everything was under her control.
Jennifer Hale voices Jean she played Felicia Hardy Black Cat in the 90s animated Spider-Man. Madelyne Pryor seemed to have a bit of Felicia’s tone which was really cool.
Psylocke was in the original animated series. In one of the 4 parts of Beyond Good and Evil (I think 3) she robs Warren. Then she gets kidnapped as one of the psychics, and when she's freed she has a few fights.
I was genuinely surprised with how much of the story they packed into that single episode.
Like we get a background, an exposition, *AND* a Zenkai boost?
Impressive coherency.
everyone Morph turns into is in the original series, including Magik, but I don't know if they did the darkchylde stuff, pretty sure they didn't
Maddy and Alex are still together in the current comics
I feel like we're supposed to take Logan's line "you think I don't know" as Morph wants a relationship but Logan doesn't. To the latter, they're just buddies.
I need to watch this finally. It sounds like a love letter to Claremont's X-Men years
Ngl I don’t understand why it’s such a problem with Morph and Logan. Ngl there chemistry together works really well and I feel like morph is one of the only people logan is willing to open himself up too.
I see Morph having a crush on Wolverine but I dont think its reciprocal.
Love how horny this show is though. Goblin Queen was fine af