Agreed most poker vloggers have some sort of tendency that is either bothersome or very noticeable… but I deal with most of this just so I can see hands 😂
agreed about the cheating - at least that type of electronic skulduggery. Most of the hands that prove Postle's guilt were not pots he won, but pots he exited at seemingly the perfect time when no other poker player on earth would have folded.
As Brad Owen would have said, “He avoided a first-class ticket to Value Town with a stop at the all-you-can-eat Buffet of Pain.” A lot of us would have agreed “I got top pair now, I should hopefully be good. Unless I’m being strung along with bottom two pair, but what the hay, I call.” Because almost nobody’s that lucky, right? Then at showdown the other guy shows, and that voice in your head adds, “Meet Mr. Almost Nobody.”
HOW Is that cheating, his opponent was making continuation bets. yes he looking for runner,runner straight but at the turn he realizes he can't make it even with the jack. His opponent bets on the turn and he's left to bet and look for another jack or cut bait and fold. it could have been a guess but you don't know about the set until the continuation bet on the turn.
@@jamescollier3 he seems to have everyone's hole cards on his phone. If you're new to this, go watch Doug Polk's series on Mike Postle. It's disgusting.
That’s exactly the hand that caught my attention on Veronica Brill’s and Jeff Boski’s videos. There’s zero - ZERO - chance anyone folds there without knowing you’re drawing dead. You don’t call JT on that flop to hit top pair and fold. Ever.
Not necessarily. It really depends on how experienced you are as a player. Maybe he put the guy on a higher pocket pair or some other hand and was only trying to see if he could go Runner Runner to beat that with a straight. You should take into account that he plays with these same people quite a bit and knows how they play. Making the comment that you have made shows your skill level. Holdem is all about the read and knowing your players.
@Monah Zaini you "by the book" players are somewhat comical. You'd probably be extremely shocked to know that Postle wasn't cheating also. Someone commented that he cashed out right after the cameras shut off and that's not true either. Easy to gang up on somebody when you're just jumping on the bandwagon.
@@mikew9334 I am in no way related to Mike Postle. Never met the man. But I can tell you that I have played with plenty of poker players who played just like him.
There's a few that are at least as bad... The time he makes the nut flush on the river against an (almost impossible) boat, given how the hand was played, and he just calls a tiny bet
Yup- nobody ever ever would ever ever fold for $50 on that board when you hit top pair after floating the flop. Unless he misread his hand, which is probably what the lawyer would argue in court and it’ll be up to plaintiff’s counsel to educate the jury that misreading his hand after looking at it multiple times is unlikely.
I’ve been thinking about your $25 bet to build the pot, rather than a check, since your last video. Glad to see it make an appearance again-including the analysis of when it is a good time to try it. Thanks for the great video!
My fav was the one where the other guy bluff raises the river to almost an all-in (probably leaving a tiny bit behind) and Apostle somehow finds a back raise all in bluff with 6 high, bluffing off something like 5k pot with his opponent having ~200 left in the stack...
There's a more blatant one when he's in a big multi spot when he flops two pair and check raises and guy calls and turns his bigger two pair and you can see the disgusted look when he sees it and check folds his smaller two pair. He was in the 9 seat If I remember correctly.
He ends up getting away with it...right??? Not really, as doubtful he can ever play any real poker again. Would you give up the game you love for a 6 figure score???
10:56 , yes, his speed of calling is an issue, and he could easily have 9s or 4s. I would check here and call whatever he bets, because that will likely be less than betting the river and getting raised, even if he has the lowest part of his range, AK of spades.
Okay, paused at 10:55. In our perfect world, he has a spade draw with As. That explains a snap call on the turn. There are also some mega-draws he can have (JTs in either clubs or spades) that whiffed and aren't paying off. And I hate trying to go for the x/r because the best you do is pick up his bluff bet because he's never calling the raise. So we target the good AsXs combos - AsKs, AsQs. And I go big exactly because he may put you on a missed draw yourself. There's $1k in the pot - I go $800. For epic polarization, make it $1.2k, essentially saying, "Full house or busted clubs - pick one." Now I'll check my results :-)
Forgive a stupid question (?) but why was that Mike Postle hand 'blatantly cheating' because he threw top pair away? He couldn't *know* the opponent had trips - yes it was odd if the bet was only $50 to call but how was that 'blatantly cheating'?
Bart Hanson from crush live poker did the best analysis of this hand. It is by far the most damning evidence of cheating I've seen from the hours of research done by joey, doug, and bart
@@BenDeach Thanx for writing back! Means a lot that 1 of the guys I watch actually read a comment I left. 2 seconds of a response made my day! Thank brother and keep crushing!
You assessed he likely had a big draw on turn and I agree, it's most likely some sort of combo draw. I'd check river there pretty much always to induce a bluff. If he's calling flop for 150, either he's being sticky with A9 clubs, has 44, 99, 89 or some sort of combo draw like QT, JT, T7, 76 spades etc. and some A high flush draws but even some of those might fold in that spot with the UTG raiser behind, depending on the player. He's snap-calling all those on turn. If you check his value hands of A9, 44, 99 all bet river. He may check back 89 incase you have an ace or big pair as his two pair become counterfeited. That leaves all his combo draws which by checking you enable a bluffing opportunity. By checking you lose some value on his A high flush draws and his 89 holding(s), but by betting you scare off all his potential bluffs and you probably on average don't get anything more from his strong hands. Considering all that it becomes a check for me every time.
You did the right thing with pocket 8's. He wasn't calling regardless unless he had the Ace and you had to maximum your money there and the $40 bet in that situation wouldn't have worked the way the hand played out.
Thanks for sharing that Postle hand. I've seen a number of them, but not that one. As weird as it sounds, that one is simultaneously more subtle AND more blatant than most (all?) of the others. Wow.
@@drucifuh Search "Mike Postle poker" and you'll get a wealth of hits to choose from. The Wikipedia article gives a decent, very condensed 30,000 foot overview. Essentially it is very widely and very strongly believed (though not proven) that during many sessions over more than a year, he cheated on the Stones Casino live stream poker sessions by being electronically tapped into the stream's video graphics which showed all player's hole cards, and that information was displayed on his phone (which he routinely kept in his lap, where nobody else could see the phone's display). Video clips of many of his hands from those streamed sessions have been analyzed in depth by numerous poker pros/experts, and (as far as I know) ALL of them have come to the 100% certain conclusion that he was cheating, noting how he repeatedly made plays that no competent, experienced poker player would make in those specific situations unless that player knew what cards the other players were holding. The hand Ben features at the end of this video is (to me and I believe to many, many others) a no-doubt-about-it example of that.
Ok, so I honestly don't understand how ANYBODY thinks that was some massive example of cheating. People, if he knew what other people were holding, he WOULD HAVE FOLDED ON THE DAMN FLOP!!!!. Why the hell would he float at all if he knew the dude had top set? Guess what, he wouldn't have. You people honestly think this is the first time someones floated and then folded on the turn when they hit top pair? And for anyone who thinks it makes real, smart, good sense to mathmatically float against a top set and call ANY bet just so he could stack the dude cause he knows he has a monster, mathmatically, that's a bad long term play as well. I honestly don't understand how anyone doesn't put all those things together. I'm not saying the dude didn't cheat his ass off, I'm just saying this particular hand means absolutely nothing. Just my opinion.
I liked the postle hand where he had the nut flush but I had to call a bet made by his opponent who had the straight flush. Mike looked so sick because he knew he could not fold or it would be completely obvious he was cheating. Board was not paired and no higher flush possible, had to call but looked like a dead fish, was awesome.
@@RichardRennes my bad, but still no way you put somebody on a boat the way the hand was played out after the flop and turn. Been a long time since I watched anything postle related.
The other one that stood out to me is where he complains about the guy not scanning his hole cards. How would he even know this and why would he care unless he was cheating
The hand with your pocket 8s was played perfectly. If he had ace x of spades 250 river bet was right amount for him to call and still a small enough sizing for him to check raise with j10 of spades.
First time watcher here. So how did this MikePostle guy cheat? Do you think he saw the opponents cards? Was the opponent in on the gig (I.e. they do it just for the live stream)? Just curious
There is a software program that tracks the cards using RFID; there aren't any cameras. That software was running on some computer at the poker room. All he had to do was create a network ID on his phone, and then log into that computer using his phone. It's easy. Whomever installed (or administered) the card tracking software just created a user ID for him. It's the exact same thing "potripper" did.
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 excellent, thanks for the reply. You would think that there would be ways to prevent that? Like some sort of encryption that blocks everyone except certain end-users? I'm by no means tech-savvy, so that may me stupid, but I would think that there would be more firewalls/security measures. EDIT: ah, just re-read the part where someone who installed software had to assist him. That makes much more sense.
@@kidzbop38isstraightfire92 In this case there was probably one IT guy who was responsible for everything, so that guy was probably the weak link. However, people who have played the game long term could watch the stream and know it wasn't legit. The people at Stones were making money off it and they hyped it and were codependent. It all comes down to personal integrity and the decisions made by people who are in a position to stop abusive behavior.
I'd like a long pause check on the river with the pocket 8s. Too many draws bricked and might bluff. Some hands may choose to represent the Ace here. An Ace might get for value. Better hands are always betting or raising. You can almost never induce a bluff from some players. You got the read on the player earlier calling with the 8, amazingly accurate. I trust your read and decision but I really felt a check was the more optimal play. You might not have gotten called for the $40 if he simply missed. Maybe he doesn't bluff. Great production quality and quality content as usual.
There is another very good one where they changed the game from NLHE to PLO mid stream but the rfid card could only pick up 2 cards instead of 4, he kept trying to scan his whole cards for the reminder of the hand
How did you play the J10 straight hand optimal? If you ranged him at top pair with a good kicker wouldn’t getting value for your hand by raising on the flop or turn make sense? I understand you wanted to entice the other two players to call the turn but it wasn’t likely they had a hand to call with. Being there were only a few draws out there. Raising on the turn would of made the most sense if this is a tight player. I highly doubt he would of folded top pair on the turn.
The 88 set hand, I think it sounds like a guy who is willing to bluff if checked too. Yes, you may occasionally lose out on value against specifically NFDs but there are more other draws that he will bluff. I also think your turn sizing should be larger. Maybe even an overbet like $450. There are various combo draws he can have as well as NFDs. Love the vlog.
Ok for context I paused it as you suggested and here is my take: I think I may check to induce IF this is the kind of player that you feel will try to buy the pot when he whiffs a big draw, or will try to get max value if he has a decent holding like 2 pair (A9, 98) But another part of me would bet if I think he has a good enough hand to call a bet then I may decide against checking and bet like 40% to half pot. That said I hope he doesn't have pocket 9s or 4s... But if I believe he had a monster draw I am always checking because it's the only way to try and get more money in the pot
Ok after I went back to the video it definitely sounded like he had J10 spades, but I can understand your thinking regarding the possibility of him having the nut flush draw and picking up the ace
Let’s go Bolts ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️ It would be nice to see a Stanley Cup finals between my Lightning and your Golden Knights!! Looks as if the Central and West will have the 1 and 2 seeds when they reseed for the semi finals, so it would be a Cup Finals matchup if it happens. We can make a friendly wager, where if the Lightning win you come down to Florida to vlog a couple sessions. If your Knights win than you come down to vlog in Florida but I’ll take you out to a nice restaurant and than a couple of drinks. I know you have a job, so maybe you can do a news story down here and make it a “business trip” haha or whenever you can take a little 5 day vacation! Keep up the great work of the vlog’s long time viewer but I think this is only my second or third comment!
I may have to keep commenting until you actually see this and respond though. I’m not sure how you are with being able to go through and read all the comments. Florida is a great spot for action, tons of VIP’s, most places run 8 handed I believe down here and the table will typically have players with money that aren’t very good. I’d say each table will have 2 VIP’s, 1 OMC, 1 PRO, 2 terrible players with money, 1 good player with money, and 1 college student.
I once was playing a Tournyment at Hustler Los Angeles with blinds at 1000-500 and someone open raised to 78,000 preflop with an 80,000 stack. A guy called with a 100,000 stack. Flop is insignificant and the caller bets him all in for 2,000 more and he snap fold. I called the floor and they did nothing about the most Obvious chip dumping!
I'm literally not going to subscribe to your channel JUST because your title and front image (whatever it's called) made it look like it was a personal cheating catch... Not a Mike cheat that we've seen 100000 times. Just letting ya know.
I 100% agree with you Paul. These RUclips Vlogger's think they're smarter then us by using clickbait, but truth is, it just shows how desperate they are to get views. I will no longer support this channel because of it.
Do not like the 78 fold. I understand BUT YOU HAVE to call with the number of busted draws. That's how I'd play a pair w a busted flush draw. 8s full hand, bet around 150 on the end. It's a price for him to pay in order to see your hand.
Really hard to give advice based on cards alone. Depends on the villain, if he looks like he has it or looks eager or looks ready to give up. Online I might go all in. You won, so you played it correct. Regarding postle- no one talks about his co-conspirators in the booth feeding him card info.
Flopping top set and losing sucks, but one night I flopped either a set or trips 3 times in less than an hour and lost all three hands to straights and flushes. Granted it was at a 3/6 limit game, but still.
Results oriented OBV the best play is check/small bet to induce. I like your line though not knowing the outcome. Plenty of nut flush combos that hit the turn and talk themselves into a call. The only problem I see is if he is blocking the spades what bluffs do you have and the only possible value hand he’s beating now is 89 which is quite unlikely... so with all that said I think check/bet small might be optimal. Cool stream, this is my first time seeing your Chanel. Best wishes and good luck moving forward.
3:1 OTR with trips. You had to be correct about 25% of the time. It’s more likely that he would’ve raised the turn with As or 10s. If he had a flush that was scared to raise the turn in fear of monsters under the bed or such, he did so on the river? While it’s plausible that he played this way with a better hand, you were good more than 25% of the time to make calling profitable.
Depends on player type but I either bet small to get value from all his weak Aces that had a draw or check so they can blast off ad a bluff. There so many missed draws on that board.
Sorry for late comment. Novice guy who has lost a lot with Top-Top before. Hand at 6:45 AKd against what I would call a rock player you referenced as an OMC in the HJ position. After flop you get min raised and when the turn came you said "There is virtually no chance of me having him beat." So you had to have him on a set of Ks or Qs, 10J suited (probably not suited if he is a real rock) or pocket Aces. Was it only because he was a rock type player that you figured you were beat?
Ben, thanks for the great content. Keep up the good work. Quick question for you, what poker tracking app do you use/recommend to track your results? Thanks in advance!
I have it paused, I think giving that he was so anxious to call whatever bet you through out, shows that he is trying to come across as very strong, if nothing more because he's trying to set up a semi bluff with Ace/ so I think the play would be to bet small on River and see if he tries to bluff you.
Full house, 8's over 4's: He almost certainly doesn't have you beat, he would have raised earlier ('cept maybe pocket 4's, which would be a miracle). So you're looking to extract the most chips you can. He eagerly called the turn, so either a busted flush draw, in which case he's not gonna pay you off anyway; or a decent made hand. I'd bet 2/3rd Pot, and try to look strong so he'll think you're weak.
The 88 hand I like your bet. Don't try to get tricky by checking, they seem to ALWAYS check back lol the $40 is interesting - idk what opponent would do - I assume they would just fold.
I paused to comment on your 88 hand. I would take one of two lines here. 1. Bet $200-$300 to entice a raise 2. Check to let him bluff his missed draws or Ace of spade, 2 pairs, etc
The only hand I'd be worried about is pocket 4's. I'd figure if they had pocket 9's for top set they'd have jammed after your $150 post flop raise. Also can't see pocket aces in their holdings having not repopped preflop. I'd keep on the gas here to try and extract max value. Now let's see how this plays out...
The Postle hand where they switch from holdem to plo and the card reader wasn't switched to plo and he's keeps swiping his cards over the reader looking down ,,,reswiping
Your vlogs are phenomenal.. I learn so much betting strategy... only prob is you know a lot of the other players, I don't go often enough to know anyone... any tips for playing against unknown players at the table?
3:13 78h...I'd fold here, too. Since BTN raised the UTG +1 aggressor, he must be strong. BTW, I do not see what bluffs does he have here? 6:28 couldn't one of them have A4?
10:40 When the board paired on the river you became WAWB, so you're just going to fold out all his garbage. You should check and see if there's a bet size he's comfortable with. There is no such thing as a "betting slow play." When you slow play, you are giving a free card, because you want your opponents to improve their hands. By betting you will get some opponents to fold, which is the opposite.
I’m subscribing just off you being a 49er fan. I actually wanted them to select Jones but I trust Shanahan and Lynch. Jones is in a much better situation in New England.
The scandal isn't Apostle, it's that it occurred in a licensed Cali casino and the casino and CA Gaming Commission conspired to cover it up, and actually sued the victim players. It lets you know that they cheat with impunity. It's amazing to me people focus on Apostle as the villian here. He is, but he's the two-bit punk street corner hustler.
I don’t see how that’s cheating? If I get a read on the strength of my opponents hand but know I have outs why would I call when I didn’t hit one of my out cards? The Jack helped his hand strength but didn’t take his hand towards where he hoped it would go. Solid and preplanned fold
@Ben Deach Fellow diehard Niners fan here. I still think we should have drafted Fields, but I'm okay with Lance. I'm always skittish of smaller school QBs with a very small college resume, but Lance has Lamar Jackson type of upside (with hopefully better passing upside). SF all-in had 3 1sts and a 3rd invested in the number 3 pick , and I said for weeks if they paid that kind of price to draft Mac Jones then I might have found a new team. LOL
love the Peppermill. havent been there in a while, but, stay there when possible, hit the ski slopes, and enjoy poker in the evening .. gorgeous property.. oh, enjoyed the vid as well... ;-)~~~
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Your voice and speech pattern makes me feel like I'm listening to a local news anchor reporting on an old lady's cat stuck up a tree
True!!!!! Lol hahahaha old anchor, in secondary news station
He could easily be on TV
He worked on a radio station or tv staton for a long time.
@@PokerBEAST love your videos, glad you are making them again
Agreed most poker vloggers have some sort of tendency that is either bothersome or very noticeable… but I deal with most of this just so I can see hands 😂
agreed about the cheating - at least that type of electronic skulduggery. Most of the hands that prove Postle's guilt were not pots he won, but pots he exited at seemingly the perfect time when no other poker player on earth would have folded.
As Brad Owen would have said, “He avoided a first-class ticket to Value Town with a stop at the all-you-can-eat Buffet of Pain.” A lot of us would have agreed “I got top pair now, I should hopefully be good. Unless I’m being strung along with bottom two pair, but what the hay, I call.” Because almost nobody’s that lucky, right? Then at showdown the other guy shows, and that voice in your head adds, “Meet Mr. Almost Nobody.”
@@theodorehsu5023 if he actually said that in a video please send the link
Maybe he has a good read!!!
@@patrickschlaeppi3348 If he didn't say it in a video please send us THAT link :-)
HOW Is that cheating, his opponent was making continuation bets. yes he looking for runner,runner straight but at the turn he realizes he can't make it even with the jack. His opponent bets on the turn and he's left to bet and look for another jack or cut bait and fold. it could have been a guess but you don't know about the set until the continuation bet on the turn.
There was a Mike Postle hand where he rivered a boat, but folded "correctly “ to a bigger boat. Now that is God mode indeed.
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@Monah Zainicorrect, although the other guy had 10,10 on a 10, 9,9,8 board.
ruclips.net/video/cQkI_4pjmaw/видео.html - 15:10
How did he cheat?
@@jamescollier3 he seems to have everyone's hole cards on his phone. If you're new to this, go watch Doug Polk's series on Mike Postle. It's disgusting.
@@iamamish ah. Thx. I am..... RUclips recommendation. Lol... interesting. I like poker. Thx. I'll check it out
"You can't win if you fold every hand" that saying dates back to the Ming Dynasty.
Ah yes, Confucius says to polarize your 3-bet fold range
Don’t be ridiculous. It definitely only dates back to the Qing dynasty.
About the 5th consecutive time your pocket Aces get cracked is when you start to rethink the "slow play Aces to get keep people in the hand" strategy.
That’s exactly the hand that caught my attention on Veronica Brill’s and Jeff Boski’s videos. There’s zero - ZERO - chance anyone folds there without knowing you’re drawing dead. You don’t call JT on that flop to hit top pair and fold. Ever.
By the way, my avalanche are a better team than your golden knights. Perhaps a friendly wager is in order.
Not necessarily. It really depends on how experienced you are as a player. Maybe he put the guy on a higher pocket pair or some other hand and was only trying to see if he could go Runner Runner to beat that with a straight. You should take into account that he plays with these same people quite a bit and knows how they play. Making the comment that you have made shows your skill level. Holdem is all about the read and knowing your players.
@@natew8882 Oh look, Mike Postle is in this chat using an alias.
@Monah Zaini you "by the book" players are somewhat comical. You'd probably be extremely shocked to know that Postle wasn't cheating also. Someone commented that he cashed out right after the cameras shut off and that's not true either. Easy to gang up on somebody when you're just jumping on the bandwagon.
@@mikew9334 I am in no way related to Mike Postle. Never met the man. But I can tell you that I have played with plenty of poker players who played just like him.
LOL your cat grooming in the background during your out-tro is truly #priceless! :)
It’s cute isn’t it?
Your cat is practicing good hygiene 😁
Doug made a good video on this hand. This is the most damning hand of all them.
There's a few that are at least as bad... The time he makes the nut flush on the river against an (almost impossible) boat, given how the hand was played, and he just calls a tiny bet
Yup- nobody ever ever would ever ever fold for $50 on that board when you hit top pair after floating the flop. Unless he misread his hand, which is probably what the lawyer would argue in court and it’ll be up to plaintiff’s counsel to educate the jury that misreading his hand after looking at it multiple times is unlikely.
Nice call just the only the tipped you off is that he should check instead of bet for potential of check raising
I’ve been thinking about your $25 bet to build the pot, rather than a check, since your last video. Glad to see it make an appearance again-including the analysis of when it is a good time to try it. Thanks for the great video!
My fav was the one where the other guy bluff raises the river to almost an all-in (probably leaving a tiny bit behind) and Apostle somehow finds a back raise all in bluff with 6 high, bluffing off something like 5k pot with his opponent having ~200 left in the stack...
There's a more blatant one when he's in a big multi spot when he flops two pair and check raises and guy calls and turns his bigger two pair and you can see the disgusted look when he sees it and check folds his smaller two pair. He was in the 9 seat If I remember correctly.
Cat stealing the spotlight at the end there.
Good luck in Vegas. Looking foward to the Vegas vlogs. Cheers from The Netherlands.
Pretty sure there’s a PLO hand where he tells another player to put his cards on the card reader
And repeats it...
"hard to play Postle Optimal without the reader..."
First time watcher. Love the vlog buddy.
when Mike makes the nut flush and losses to the straight flush and says oh my god before the hard is shown is my number 1
link please.
@@okiepokertraveler1718 Probably here if anywhere: ruclips.net/user/joeingram1videos. Go back about a year. Enjoy!
In before click bait ?
I guess we’ll find out..
Boski!
yup, clickbait. a 2 yr old Postle hand? c'mon
He ends up getting away with it...right??? Not really, as doubtful he can ever play any real poker again. Would you give up the game you love for a 6 figure score???
You do have a great table shot, that's why I subscribed. Great job!
Crush Vegas.
Your deadpan delivery is refreshing in some super sleepy way.
10:56 , yes, his speed of calling is an issue, and he could easily have 9s or 4s. I would check here and call whatever he bets, because that will likely be less than betting the river and getting raised, even if he has the lowest part of his range, AK of spades.
Yeah, the fast call is usually a draw... when all the draws brick I check give em a chance to bluff
exactly.
Okay, paused at 10:55. In our perfect world, he has a spade draw with As. That explains a snap call on the turn. There are also some mega-draws he can have (JTs in either clubs or spades) that whiffed and aren't paying off. And I hate trying to go for the x/r because the best you do is pick up his bluff bet because he's never calling the raise. So we target the good AsXs combos - AsKs, AsQs. And I go big exactly because he may put you on a missed draw yourself. There's $1k in the pot - I go $800. For epic polarization, make it $1.2k, essentially saying, "Full house or busted clubs - pick one."
Now I'll check my results :-)
Forgive a stupid question (?) but why was that Mike Postle hand 'blatantly cheating' because he threw top pair away? He couldn't *know* the opponent had trips - yes it was odd if the bet was only $50 to call but how was that 'blatantly cheating'?
Bart Hanson from crush live poker did the best analysis of this hand. It is by far the most damning evidence of cheating I've seen from the hours of research done by joey, doug, and bart
Yea that’s where I first saw it.
@@BenDeach Thanx for writing back! Means a lot that 1 of the guys I watch actually read a comment I left. 2 seconds of a response made my day! Thank brother and keep crushing!
enjoy the heck out of the Vlogs, hows the little one, thought you might be teaching them how to play already. keep bringing the great content, Thanks
You assessed he likely had a big draw on turn and I agree, it's most likely some sort of combo draw. I'd check river there pretty much always to induce a bluff. If he's calling flop for 150, either he's being sticky with A9 clubs, has 44, 99, 89 or some sort of combo draw like QT, JT, T7, 76 spades etc. and some A high flush draws but even some of those might fold in that spot with the UTG raiser behind, depending on the player. He's snap-calling all those on turn. If you check his value hands of A9, 44, 99 all bet river. He may check back 89 incase you have an ace or big pair as his two pair become counterfeited. That leaves all his combo draws which by checking you enable a bluffing opportunity. By checking you lose some value on his A high flush draws and his 89 holding(s), but by betting you scare off all his potential bluffs and you probably on average don't get anything more from his strong hands. Considering all that it becomes a check for me every time.
You did the right thing with pocket 8's. He wasn't calling regardless unless he had the Ace and you had to maximum your money there and the $40 bet in that situation wouldn't have worked the way the hand played out.
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Love it 😀 good luck in Vegas dude your crushing it
Thanks for sharing that Postle hand. I've seen a number of them, but not that one. As weird as it sounds, that one is simultaneously more subtle AND more blatant than most (all?) of the others. Wow.
I commented asking what the cheat was...so what was it? Never heard of postle. Scratching my head...
@@drucifuh Search "Mike Postle poker" and you'll get a wealth of hits to choose from. The Wikipedia article gives a decent, very condensed 30,000 foot overview.
Essentially it is very widely and very strongly believed (though not proven) that during many sessions over more than a year, he cheated on the Stones Casino live stream poker sessions by being electronically tapped into the stream's video graphics which showed all player's hole cards, and that information was displayed on his phone (which he routinely kept in his lap, where nobody else could see the phone's display).
Video clips of many of his hands from those streamed sessions have been analyzed in depth by numerous poker pros/experts, and (as far as I know) ALL of them have come to the 100% certain conclusion that he was cheating, noting how he repeatedly made plays that no competent, experienced poker player would make in those specific situations unless that player knew what cards the other players were holding.
The hand Ben features at the end of this video is (to me and I believe to many, many others) a no-doubt-about-it example of that.
Ok, so I honestly don't understand how ANYBODY thinks that was some massive example of cheating. People, if he knew what other people were holding, he WOULD HAVE FOLDED ON THE DAMN FLOP!!!!. Why the hell would he float at all if he knew the dude had top set? Guess what, he wouldn't have. You people honestly think this is the first time someones floated and then folded on the turn when they hit top pair? And for anyone who thinks it makes real, smart, good sense to mathmatically float against a top set and call ANY bet just so he could stack the dude cause he knows he has a monster, mathmatically, that's a bad long term play as well. I honestly don't understand how anyone doesn't put all those things together. I'm not saying the dude didn't cheat his ass off, I'm just saying this particular hand means absolutely nothing. Just my opinion.
Good stuff Ben
I liked the postle hand where he had the nut flush but I had to call a bet made by his opponent who had the straight flush. Mike looked so sick because he knew he could not fold or it would be completely obvious he was cheating. Board was not paired and no higher flush possible, had to call but looked like a dead fish, was awesome.
Board WAS paired:
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@@RichardRennes my bad, but still no way you put somebody on a boat the way the hand was played out after the flop and turn. Been a long time since I watched anything postle related.
The other one that stood out to me is where he complains about the guy not scanning his hole cards. How would he even know this and why would he care unless he was cheating
What about the part where he openly says the graphics are wrong before the announcers can even say it?
Yea that is just as blatant you are right
Ben d vlogs! My first choice
The hand with your pocket 8s was played perfectly.
If he had ace x of spades 250 river bet was right amount for him to call and still a small enough sizing for him to check raise with j10 of spades.
First time watcher here. So how did this MikePostle guy cheat? Do you think he saw the opponents cards? Was the opponent in on the gig (I.e. they do it just for the live stream)? Just curious
There is a software program that tracks the cards using RFID; there aren't any cameras. That software was running on some computer at the poker room. All he had to do was create a network ID on his phone, and then log into that computer using his phone. It's easy. Whomever installed (or administered) the card tracking software just created a user ID for him. It's the exact same thing "potripper" did.
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 excellent, thanks for the reply. You would think that there would be ways to prevent that? Like some sort of encryption that blocks everyone except certain end-users? I'm by no means tech-savvy, so that may me stupid, but I would think that there would be more firewalls/security measures.
EDIT: ah, just re-read the part where someone who installed software had to assist him. That makes much more sense.
@@kidzbop38isstraightfire92 In this case there was probably one IT guy who was responsible for everything, so that guy was probably the weak link. However, people who have played the game long term could watch the stream and know it wasn't legit. The people at Stones were making money off it and they hyped it and were codependent. It all comes down to personal integrity and the decisions made by people who are in a position to stop abusive behavior.
Thanks for continuing to post.
I'd like a long pause check on the river with the pocket 8s. Too many draws bricked and might bluff. Some hands may choose to represent the Ace here. An Ace might get for value. Better hands are always betting or raising. You can almost never induce a bluff from some players.
You got the read on the player earlier calling with the 8, amazingly accurate. I trust your read and decision but I really felt a check was the more optimal play. You might not have gotten called for the $40 if he simply missed. Maybe he doesn't bluff.
Great production quality and quality content as usual.
Bad fold on first hand. He bet so fast to look strong. He would have Hollywood for longer if he was an experienced player and put you on the 8.
There is another very good one where they changed the game from NLHE to PLO mid stream but the rfid card could only pick up 2 cards instead of 4, he kept trying to scan his whole cards for the reminder of the hand
I believe he went to the booth to tell them that the cards weren't reading too
This is great to watch if you can't fall asleep 😴
Your in-hand footage is definitely top notch, as is your entire production. Thank you, Ben.
That looked like a nice trout stream there in the opening scene. Nevada has good fly fishing I’ve been told
It's called the Truckee River. And yes, good trout fishing.
Bens The Greatest!!! nobody can ffff with him!!
maybe next time you could have your cat take his bath behind closed doors. this is a family friendly sight.
How did you play the J10 straight hand optimal? If you ranged him at top pair with a good kicker wouldn’t getting value for your hand by raising on the flop or turn make sense? I understand you wanted to entice the other two players to call the turn but it wasn’t likely they had a hand to call with. Being there were only a few draws out there. Raising on the turn would of made the most sense if this is a tight player. I highly doubt he would of folded top pair on the turn.
The 88 set hand, I think it sounds like a guy who is willing to bluff if checked too. Yes, you may occasionally lose out on value against specifically NFDs but there are more other draws that he will bluff. I also think your turn sizing should be larger. Maybe even an overbet like $450. There are various combo draws he can have as well as NFDs. Love the vlog.
Great catch of one of the smoking guns. May Postle and whoever else was involved get what they deserve.
. Anybody & everyone else who'd have chanced $50 ta see The river card.
Wow, good point on the Postle hand.
Ok for context I paused it as you suggested and here is my take: I think I may check to induce IF this is the kind of player that you feel will try to buy the pot when he whiffs a big draw, or will try to get max value if he has a decent holding like 2 pair (A9, 98)
But another part of me would bet if I think he has a good enough hand to call a bet then I may decide against checking and bet like 40% to half pot. That said I hope he doesn't have pocket 9s or 4s... But if I believe he had a monster draw I am always checking because it's the only way to try and get more money in the pot
Ok after I went back to the video it definitely sounded like he had J10 spades, but I can understand your thinking regarding the possibility of him having the nut flush draw and picking up the ace
Let’s go Bolts ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
It would be nice to see a Stanley Cup finals between my Lightning and your Golden Knights!! Looks as if the Central and West will have the 1 and 2 seeds when they reseed for the semi finals, so it would be a Cup Finals matchup if it happens.
We can make a friendly wager, where if the Lightning win you come down to Florida to vlog a couple sessions. If your Knights win than you come down to vlog in Florida but I’ll take you out to a nice restaurant and than a couple of drinks. I know you have a job, so maybe you can do a news story down here and make it a “business trip” haha or whenever you can take a little 5 day vacation!
Keep up the great work of the vlog’s long time viewer but I think this is only my second or third comment!
I may have to keep commenting until you actually see this and respond though. I’m not sure how you are with being able to go through and read all the comments.
Florida is a great spot for action, tons of VIP’s, most places run 8 handed I believe down here and the table will typically have players with money that aren’t very good. I’d say each table will have 2 VIP’s, 1 OMC, 1 PRO, 2 terrible players with money, 1 good player with money, and 1 college student.
I once was playing a Tournyment at Hustler Los Angeles with blinds at 1000-500 and someone open raised to 78,000 preflop with an 80,000 stack. A guy called with a 100,000 stack. Flop is insignificant and the caller bets him all in for 2,000 more and he snap fold. I called the floor and they did nothing about the most Obvious chip dumping!
I'm literally not going to subscribe to your channel JUST because your title and front image (whatever it's called) made it look like it was a personal cheating catch... Not a Mike cheat that we've seen 100000 times. Just letting ya know.
I 100% agree with you Paul. These RUclips Vlogger's think they're smarter then us by using clickbait, but truth is, it just shows how desperate they are to get views. I will no longer support this channel because of it.
@@MaximusMerideus I can't stand lies.
Why it took so long for people to figure out that he was cheating totally boggles my mind.
that $300 bet @10:43 was the quickest snap call i've ever seen!
i would check 8's full and give him a chance to bluff
Ray Liotta would love that, Chantix approved
Do not like the 78 fold. I understand BUT YOU HAVE to call with the number of busted draws. That's how I'd play a pair w a busted flush draw. 8s full hand, bet around 150 on the end. It's a price for him to pay in order to see your hand.
what blinds are that table? After watching im guessing 2/5?
Really hard to give advice based on cards alone. Depends on the villain, if he looks like he has it or looks eager or looks ready to give up. Online I might go all in.
You won, so you played it correct.
Regarding postle- no one talks about his co-conspirators in the booth feeding him card info.
Flopping top set and losing sucks, but one night I flopped either a set or trips 3 times in less than an hour and lost all three hands to straights and flushes. Granted it was at a 3/6 limit game, but still.
The trip 8’s was a bad fold. He most likely had AK based on the preflop action
. Ta me that $300 bet was The max sacrifice tell.
they will never have AK taking that line
How's that Trey Lance pick feeling for you now?? I live in New England, so thank you San Fran!
I knew you were going for THAT Postle hand. That was sickening.
Results oriented OBV the best play is check/small bet to induce. I like your line though not knowing the outcome. Plenty of nut flush combos that hit the turn and talk themselves into a call. The only problem I see is if he is blocking the spades what bluffs do you have and the only possible value hand he’s beating now is 89 which is quite unlikely... so with all that said I think check/bet small might be optimal. Cool stream, this is my first time seeing your Chanel. Best wishes and good luck moving forward.
Very good analysis at the end. I didn't notice the impact of that hand as much until now. Definitely sus as sus can be
Great vlog
Never again will I watch this guy again
3:1 OTR with trips. You had to be correct about 25% of the time. It’s more likely that he would’ve raised the turn with As or 10s. If he had a flush that was scared to raise the turn in fear of monsters under the bed or such, he did so on the river? While it’s plausible that he played this way with a better hand, you were good more than 25% of the time to make calling profitable.
What app do you use to track your wins/losses from sessions?
Depends on player type but I either bet small to get value from all his weak Aces that had a draw or check so they can blast off ad a bluff. There so many missed draws on that board.
Sorry for late comment. Novice guy who has lost a lot with Top-Top before. Hand at 6:45 AKd against what I would call a rock player you referenced as an OMC in the HJ position. After flop you get min raised and when the turn came you said "There is virtually no chance of me having him beat." So you had to have him on a set of Ks or Qs, 10J suited (probably not suited if he is a real rock) or pocket Aces. Was it only because he was a rock type player that you figured you were beat?
thanks for the vlog
Ben, thanks for the great content. Keep up the good work. Quick question for you, what poker tracking app do you use/recommend to track your results? Thanks in advance!
Poker Bankroll Tracker is what I use.
With the 3rd pick of the biggest cheater in poker, I select Mike Postle from Stone's Gambling Hall.
Who were the first two?
@@MewtwoStruckBackPotRipper and Russ Hamilton
@@snake0911 Definitely fair slotting at 3rd behind them
The biggest cheater is stone gambling hall lol
I have it paused, I think giving that he was so anxious to call whatever bet you through out, shows that he is trying to come across as very strong, if nothing more because he's trying to set up a semi bluff with Ace/ so I think the play would be to bet small on River and see if he tries to bluff you.
Ummm well that didn't work, he didn't have a flush and open ender draw, maybe a flush draw though
Full house, 8's over 4's: He almost certainly doesn't have you beat, he would have raised earlier ('cept maybe pocket 4's, which would be a miracle). So you're looking to extract the most chips you can. He eagerly called the turn, so either a busted flush draw, in which case he's not gonna pay you off anyway; or a decent made hand. I'd bet 2/3rd Pot, and try to look strong so he'll think you're weak.
Great sesh
The 88 hand I like your bet. Don't try to get tricky by checking, they seem to ALWAYS check back lol the $40 is interesting - idk what opponent would do - I assume they would just fold.
Nice win Ben!
I paused to comment on your 88 hand.
I would take one of two lines here.
1. Bet $200-$300 to entice a raise
2. Check to let him bluff his missed draws or Ace of spade, 2 pairs, etc
The only hand I'd be worried about is pocket 4's. I'd figure if they had pocket 9's for top set they'd have jammed after your $150 post flop raise. Also can't see pocket aces in their holdings having not repopped preflop. I'd keep on the gas here to try and extract max value. Now let's see how this plays out...
Hmmm such a quick call of $300 after the turn I'd have thought him to be quite a bit stronger than just a double draw
The Postle hand where they switch from holdem to plo and the card reader wasn't switched to plo and he's keeps swiping his cards over the reader looking down ,,,reswiping
Your vlogs are phenomenal.. I learn so much betting strategy... only prob is you know a lot of the other players, I don't go often enough to know anyone... any tips for playing against unknown players at the table?
3:13 78h...I'd fold here, too. Since BTN raised the UTG +1 aggressor, he must be strong. BTW, I do not see what bluffs does he have here?
6:28 couldn't one of them have A4?
10:40 When the board paired on the river you became WAWB, so you're just going to fold out all his garbage. You should check and see if there's a bet size he's comfortable with. There is no such thing as a "betting slow play." When you slow play, you are giving a free card, because you want your opponents to improve their hands. By betting you will get some opponents to fold, which is the opposite.
I’m subscribing just off you being a 49er fan. I actually wanted them to select Jones but I trust Shanahan and Lynch. Jones is in a much better situation in New England.
Not to mention the shady clickbait nonsense.
Can someone tell me whats the name of application at 13:06 that he uses to see his profit and stuffs like that?Thanks
How you can fold 78?
The scandal isn't Apostle, it's that it occurred in a licensed Cali casino and the casino and CA Gaming Commission conspired to cover it up, and actually sued the victim players. It lets you know that they cheat with impunity. It's amazing to me people focus on Apostle as the villian here. He is, but he's the two-bit punk street corner hustler.
I don’t see how that’s cheating? If I get a read on the strength of my opponents hand but know I have outs why would I call when I didn’t hit one of my out cards? The Jack helped his hand strength but didn’t take his hand towards where he hoped it would go. Solid and preplanned fold
I also don’t know who Mike Postle is
I don't know how you guys keep track of all the bet from each player from each hand.
@Ben Deach Fellow diehard Niners fan here. I still think we should have drafted Fields, but I'm okay with Lance. I'm always skittish of smaller school QBs with a very small college resume, but Lance has Lamar Jackson type of upside (with hopefully better passing upside). SF all-in had 3 1sts and a 3rd invested in the number 3 pick , and I said for weeks if they paid that kind of price to draft Mac Jones then I might have found a new team. LOL
On your 8s full hand I'm snap shoving the river. If they have 99, AA or 44 God bless them.
love the Peppermill. havent been there in a while, but, stay there when possible, hit the ski slopes, and enjoy poker in the evening .. gorgeous property..
oh, enjoyed the vid as well... ;-)~~~
So who was mikes accomplice in tech room?
Cat's concern for hygiene is a sign of good morals; click baity title and using an old MP hand, not so much.
You need to do an episode from GSR. I know it's only 1/3 and 7-handed but I've heard some stories of crazy action on the weekends
the hand where postle folds nut flush, when opponent has straight flush, frankly even more blatant than this hand
Postle called, not folded
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Very entertaining, big fan from India. Gl sir