"There are people who think that 15 minutes of googling means they know more than 15 years of experience" - ding ding ding! This is the problem with currenet society and with social media in particular.
Yes leftists are notorious for doing 15 minutes of research which is why they often suffer from the dunning Kruger effect. It’s exactly why they find it hard to read the room and spend more time defending the monsters rather than the victims. Musk has done his research that’s why he’s shining a light on it.
Sounds to me like the constabularies have been turning a blind eye, that’s the root of it. Some police forces are simply not fit for purpose. Who will investigate this?
The victims will sadly be triggered for life. It's like when the pope visited the UK, people who were abused as kids by the church had a really bad time.
Especially when you get older ,your bad past easily would get to you ! When you young many things feel normal to you ! Examples You are young soldier and see or do many things in war that it comes normal at that time and you can add many other Examples ! Poor girls 💔
Elon Musks father married his step daughter. He knew her from the age of 4 years old. Elons mother said his dad went into dark psychotically induced moods. She was worried that Elon would go the same way. I think it is happening before our eyes. It doesn't help that he is using copious amounts of ketamin.
The right wing thinks this behaviour is totally ACCEPTABLE unless it was a " brown" person doing it then they would claim it was a backwards culture etc
Being traumatised doesn't mean being triggered - that's the difference. This is triggering for those who went through it. Don't dumb it down. Yours, someone with CPTSD
I too suffer from cptsd. That's why I'm pushing for the enquiry. I don't want someone to suffer as I have done for most of my life. I do realise that it can trigger but it is still going on. I
We had a horrible case in the US a while back where a college student's dad moved into her dorm. He was just out of prison and began to take over the entire household comprising about eight students, including both young men and young women. This grown man abused everyone for years, even when they left on breaks and returned home to their families, even when they would leave the dorm to go to classes. No one went to the police.
Victims are traumatised because of lies I agree but I suspect silence and lack of truth, seeing perpetrators freely walking the streets of the towns the victims live in is more traumatic
Kemi jumping on this when she was children’s minister and never brought it up and has only started speaking about this since Musk brought it up just shows how slimy she is
@sabine1470 so because she wasn't in the Home Office, does that mean she couldn't speak out about it? She is seemingly so concerned about this topic now, but mentioned nothing in the previous 7 years
Oh come on, why would you expect me to put the opinion of the chief prosecutor of grooming across the North-West of England over an American multi-billionaire?!
@@philiptaylor7902it doesn't, and doesn't matter. Current MPs need to agree to do the work and any single time one of them points to another MP not doing something, they're wasting time.
Thank you James for discussing this subject. Kemi and the cons are totally despicable using this as a way to hamper Labour, and lying about the "equiry" motion. The motion read as stopping the bill, not establishing a new enquiry.
What has caused the delay on delivering on the old report? Who is responsible for not following through on the recommendations? Delay is denial of justice.
I knew Musk was misappropriating the truth, and anyone who disagrees with him is painted as a Gang apologist, but I'm really thankful to hear this side of the events.
Mandatory reporting is absolutely necessary however the Labour Party need to redefine their definition of ‘Islamophobia’ and scrap their policy on if approved terms when describing Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs. What about the MP who spoke up for victims and was nominated by an Islamic charity for Islamophobe of the year awards? Whistleblowers also need protection.
How many from the police, CPS and councils who willfully failed these children have you prosecuted? How many of these are still in these positions of trust? I haven't heard him mention anything about them once. Why should we move on and not make these scumbags feel the 'full force of the law'?
That's is because being bad at your job is not illegal at the moment, though some police officers were reprimanded. The Child Wellbeing and Schools act that Labour are trying to legislate just this week would change this. The Tories and Reform tried to block it.
Michael I think, entirely by accident, that you’ve hit the nail on the head. I say by accident because I believe you’re aiming the venom at one group while exposing another group you think you’re speaking up for.
He glosses over it because he must protect his team. He falls for the very things he claims not to and they are client journalism and footbalification.
I'm not so far left to think everyone is the same. Should we know if certain areas have a overwhelming amount of a culture doing these crimes? Can we not talk about this? What is going on?
@tamasproductions Right. And? The grooming gang scandal is still a problem and Labour have now blocked any inquiries into it. I wonder what they are hiding. Some high people in Labour and the Tories and government positions are quite obviously involved in some way. But yeah let's look at Elon and his mean tweeting. Absolutely Comedy gold. 😂
'It's a global issue, not a British issue' How about you deal with the British end of the problem and let the rest of the world figure out their own trafficking problems. (Actually, its a Pakistani issue, not British)
The investigations into the five towns affected was enough to trigger the national Jay enquiry. That enquiry reported back and gave 20 recommendations. Reported instances since that inquiry started, and has concluded, are irrelevent as, firstly, the inquiry had already started, secondly, the recommendations needed to be put in law, and finally, it would be expected if prosecutors had learned where and how, as the facts show, previous cases had failed. The implementation of the recommendations may uncover even more instances, this would mean that those new laws could be seen to be working, Therefore, at this stage, no new inquiries are needed. The problem with all of this is most people have no idea how these processes work and many are then stirred up by commentators who are happy to encourage social unrest and friction to support their own, often harmful, agendas.
Nazir Adil hits the problem on the head with his last 2 comments, women and girls (and young boys) are not listened too and working class women and children are not listened to and treated with further contempt. Mungo Jerry hit it on the head in their song In The Summertime- “if her daddy’s rich take her out for a meal, if her daddy’s poor do what you feel “ misogyny has nothing to to with race or religion it’s every where
The ones begging for an enquiry should be scrutinised themselves. They are utterly disgusting and not interested in the victims and solely focused on a particular group of predators. We need the whole truth up there for all to see . This is important for all the victims and any future victims to understand that they could be preyed on by anyone ( church , media personalities etc…) ! This is utterly unacceptable and reckless . Don’t these people have children of their own . They should search their own consciences first and be ashamed of politicising such a serious matter . This obsession is warped . Let’s get on and protect all vulnerable individuals.
Yes because these predators got off with ridiculously light sentences and are now freely roaming the streets of this country. We need to see those involved in the coverup in prison.
LBC is exercising political sophistry here. What is retraumatizing victims is the realization that the police, courts and government did nothing to stop this for so long.
9:50 Waiting for that remark . We’re a predominantly white country so of course the number would be higher. However for some victims not enough has been done
Everybody needs to stop speaking on behalf of the victims on both the left and the right and start letting them drive the conversation so they can tell us what they want to see happen.
@charlievarley Consultations rarely fully address a problem because they tend to be centred around the cost of implementation more than what measures adequately solve it. I've been involved in consultations for other issues that weren't nearly as important as this..and the govt did almost nothing with our suggestions, let alone include them in their proposals. I'm sure Starmer's plan makes improvements, but it's for the victims to say whether they're happy with it or not and they should be fully encouraged to do so.
@@arranodoherty4372Where is your evidence for this? The vast majority of victim statements are in favour of taking action, not commencing another 5-7 year inquiry. I have only seen a single call by a victim for a new inquiry.
@mechminded2207 it's you who is engaging in avoidance If you focus on one scandal not related to your own communities then you can avoid addressing the bigger issue of nonce's we have
you do not get over abuse you live with it and in my opinion being heard is very important it should not be swept under the carpet and pretend it did not happen yes it does trigger emotions but the victims often self harm have suicidal thoughts use alcohol and drugs to numb feelings so the effects are long term and last a life time no matter how long ago it happened
I do appreciate that domestic violence largely towards women but nothing is ever said about men that are put through domestic violence, I have personally seen several relationships where the men are suffering domestic violence and it seems to be on the rise, this also does not help when the police are called they automatically side with the women involved. For instance my brother was attacked by his ex with a knife when he was holding there child, we called the police and they did nothing, no statements taken, no action taken, they took her side as soon as they walked through the door.
@poyzer most don't as it would halt carrying out the required law changes and the required followups, i.e. further enquiries, that the enquiry calls fir. Ah, you didn't read the enquiry.
I fully agree with him. Kemi, Jenrick and Musk are not experts in this at all. Kemi and Jenrick know they are clowns in a joke party and Musk is narcissistic in thinking everything he says is biblical. Yes he is smart but he has never been a prosecutor.
They passed the Children’s Wellbeing and Schools Bill through it’s initial reading yesterday. Including recommendations that were in the enquiry that the last Government commissioned and failed to act on.
Imagine how traumatic it would be for one of the victims if the perpetrator who is delivering fast food in the area he committed his crimes shows up at their house. The mind does boggle but then what else do you expect these days. 🤡 world
Bizarre, I believe the opposite is true…. the big complaint amongst the victims was that nobody was listening and not enough media coverage considering how widespread this situation was and still is 🤷♂️
The most shameless the prosecutor and lc. If the prosecutor had done his job well and the grooming gangsters had been punished by their crimes and there had no covered up, there would have been no mention now! Reopen the issue is not to retraumatize the victim but to give them the longe absent justice!
@riveness what do you talk about? Who to protect paedophiles? The problem is how the case was prosecuted and how much the criminals were punished and how the case was covered in media.
It's a nice deflection. They can't stand one of the most influential persons on the planet talks common sense and points out things that are wrong in this world.
Given that 0 Reform MP's turned up to the debate on tackling violence against women and girls, I think we can safely say that Reform were grifting again. Using the very real and emotional situations of genuine victims to further their own narrative against the government, which contains some members who have contributed THE MOST to tackling violence against women and children.
You know what’s triggered them. Many of the perpetrators have yet to be brought to Justice. They are roaming the streets of the uk as we speak. And those that covered up or were complicit in these crimes. Many have not been brought to Justice. That is where the trauma lies. None of the victims would have even gotten any justice had it not been for the courageous police detectives and journalists that spoke on an issue that virtually all in the media refused to cover.
@@stantheman9490the point is that Elon is not "exposing" anything, other than his own ignorance of the situation. He's distorting the truth simply to massage his own ego.
It is a very difficult subject and above my pay grade. In any case, what would an enquiry do? We should have already realised mistakes were made in the past in stopping grooming gangs, and as long as Starmer pursues these paedophiles going forward, then we have reset to what should be the norm. Spend less time chasing scapegoats and more time protecting the innocent.
There’s loads of victims that want a proper independent public enquiry with the powers that holds. The so called enquiries they’ve had were conducted by the councils involved. Without the powers to force people to testify. Do you not think that will seem shady to many people? Investigate yourself in effect is what they allowed them to do. People know officials acted atrociously, and want them brought to account.
@@Londonchippieis that what an enquiry does? So years and years later we may have actions? Not all victims want an enquiry. About following up on the previous ones and following through with actions
This entire interview was just a load of waffle and excuses. The fact remains these perpetrators are free and those who covered it up have never been punished.
What about people in positions not to speak of cases like the father of the southport murderer who should have been deported but wasnt threelittle girls would still be here ,obrian stop trying to stop the country getting proper inquiriesinto whats going on , you are aiding cover ups
What narrative is that? Information is information, journalists seek out the facts, you don't have to like what people have to say, but it doesn't make it wrong. A lack of understanding on your part is an opportunity to learn, not something to fear or be ashamed of.
You honestly think Musk finally bringing the right attention to these despicable crimes is as traumatising as GOING THROUGH IT? I doubt it very much. I imagine they’d be pleased to finally get this on the table and taken seriously. STOP TRYING TO DEFLECT AND MINIMISE THIS! WHO is this lawyer?
Musk has not 'brought attention' to these crimes. The Times did that, then the police with the prosecution and the MOJ with the prison sentences. There have been inquiries (ignored by the last Government). Musk is using the victims as political pawns. As for "WHO is this lawyer" it actually says under the video, but to save you looking he was the one that brought the prosecutions of the Rochdale abusers. He lierally brought the scumbags to justice and knows personally many of the victims and a whole lot more about this than Musk.
He was the prosecutor who represented the victims in these crimes - and I’m guessing that, unlike you, he has actually *spoken* to said victims - seen them talk on the stand? Elon Musk and the Tories exploiting their trauma for the same things they always want - less immigration, cuts to benefits, cuts to council budgets etc - is actually a fairly traumatising thing to experience. You have one group of men on one hand objectifying you sexually, and another group of men like musk on the other hand objectifying you politically. Claiming to “speak for you” when they’re speaking for themselves and just using you as a prop. That’s not traumatic?
They are and have done way more that the tories who ignored the 20 recomendation of a £200 million inquiry. Stammer has been calling for these recommendations to be actioned since 2012.
they've done more for these girls in the past few weeks than the Tories have in the last 10 years. The Tories & Reform keep trying to block the reform act and push for another inquiry that helps no one.
Neither do the Tories. Otherwise the lid would have blown of years before and people would have been held accountable. Perfect fail over the whole line.
Please tell me why the people who knowingly allowed this issue to continue and covered it up ,even when they became aware of it, should not be named and held to account, give me a reason. As no sane person can do this then please tell me how the same people can be identified if not by an inquiry. Should no one respond with any answers I can only assume that no one is able to.
The great walk back on what he said in 2008 - he basked in the glory as the slayer of demons when no one else could . CPS ; he admits then was terrible - deliberately so , why would they want to prosecute pakistani groomers ? He only bagged a handful of rappists when there were thousands of them strolling around .Home office appointed him as a safe pakistani who would hopefully not take any action against pakistani groomers -
Well you are, you are determined to go against the subsequent findings instead believing in yours, which helps continue to operate in stealth and without effective remedy
The problem here isn’t Musk it is that the general public want a transparent , independent national enquiry and Starmer ( as usual) has ignored them. He seems intent on on losing ALL public support in his quest for a public political suicide. Bring back Sue Gray…….no wonder she left…..jeez.
How many calls has this man fielded from those victims that have not had redress in the courts? How many calls has this man had from the murdered girls by these gangs that have not been brought to justice? How many of the parents that called police ans were told to shut up, or face arrest, or were arrested have been retraumatised?
Even legal or psychiatric follow-up, with the best of intentions, carries the risk of retraumatising victims. If a society is meant to protect the vulnerable, the least it can do is to sanction those with malice or ill-intent.
Either this gentleman is lying/misleading public or just extremely poor with math. It is certainly statistically true that Pakistan community in UK has a much higher percentage of grooming crime than other communities per population. The data is right there.
"It took me a couple of days to come up with this angle, but now I'm gonna get me some appearance fees" And how does he know 88% are white men when ethnicity isn't being recorded?..... or is that 88% where ethnicity IS recorded, which has other implications
@ now be sensible, don’t fall back on meaningless labels because you can’t articulate a proper response. Explain what you mean. I’m sure we’re all waiting with bated breath for your insights.
Yes he is. Musk owns a global social media platform, which he has turned into the 'wild west'. Then he himself, with over 200 million followers, is actively spreading misinformation. I call that a problem!
So, was it Nazir's or Kier's decision to add one of the victims of the Rochdale trial to the indictment? How many survivors did you put off reporting as they feared they would be charged with offences? The mistakes that were made need to be found, and a light shone on them, so that they never happen again. Maybe an inquiry would be able to do this? Just a thought. . .
As a survivor myself I think what he’s doing is disgusting - / He doesn’t care about the survivors of these gangs he just wants attention. He doesn’t care how he gets it.
You are treading on dangerous ground James..... I think the only people you should be asking if they want an inquiry is the victims so lets get a few on your show ! go ask the horses mouth the victim what they want instead of this unauthorized Labour collateral damage prevention exercise.
So it’s ok for Musk and the far-right to flood every news channel with calls for another enquiry while barely having a clue about what happened, but if James speaks to an expert who expresses a view contrary to the far-right narrative he is somehow on “dangerous ground” and shouldn’t say anything unless they can get some of the victims on his show?
It's the other way around. The victims are Glad this has come out for the world to see after all these decades of being put under the carpet. They're thankful for Must bringing to the attention of the world
They're not. Just like they didn't want Tommy 10 names blowing the trial. You don't give a cr@p about the kids. You're all about the colour of the perps
Having worked with people who have been abused; their greatest wish is that their abusers are brought to justice. These guys are trying to perpetuate the cover up.
@@twisteddancer7773 Except that's not what Musk is saying on the subject because he's ignorant of how most things work. As has been said so many times now: hold another enquiry at this point kicks the can down the road and does not lead to justice (potentially not even when it's completed; how many recommendations of the last national enquiry did the Tories implement? Yep, zero). Musk is also supporting someone who almost totally derailed a criminal case against one of these gangs, which would have resulted in them walking free and avoiding justice completely. Do you see the problem with this?
@@ianhunter2374 then why are you here commenting on it? Are you one of the people that the guest mentions: you've been googling for 15 minutes and feel you have a vital point of view?
It's outrageous. For political ends certain individuals are trying to convince people to want what isn't needed - another inquiry - while ignoring or blocking what IS needed to prevent further victimizations: Implementing the recommendations of the inquiry that's already been done. I'd ask the Tories and Reform if they've heard of the concept of enlightened self-interest. Like, you could reap benefit from being seen to do the right thing. But Starmer would also reap benefit, maybe more than you....Oh dear, can't have that, can we!
![BLACK BAG - Official Trailer [HD] - Only in Theaters March 14](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Du0Xp8WX_7I/mqdefault.jpg)
"There are people who think that 15 minutes of googling means they know more than 15 years of experience" - ding ding ding! This is the problem with currenet society and with social media in particular.
Warhol's 15 minutes of fame becomes apparent in this analogy. Sweet.
Far right in a nutshell, they think everything on the internet is factual and use that to convince everyone that it justifies their racism 🤦
That Gove-ism will go down in infamy.
Yes leftists are notorious for doing 15 minutes of research which is why they often suffer from the dunning Kruger effect. It’s exactly why they find it hard to read the room and spend more time defending the monsters rather than the victims. Musk has done his research that’s why he’s shining a light on it.
Alot of people who post comments dont even bother with the 15 minutes using goggle. They just believe what they are told.
Sounds to me like the constabularies have been turning a blind eye, that’s the root of it. Some police forces are simply not fit for purpose. Who will investigate this?
The victims will sadly be triggered for life.
It's like when the pope visited the UK, people who were abused as kids by the church had a really bad time.
Especially when you get older ,your bad past easily would get to you !
When you young many things feel normal to you !
Examples
You are young soldier and see or do many things in war that it comes normal at that time and you can add many other Examples !
Poor girls 💔
Elon Musks father married his step daughter. He knew her from the age of 4 years old. Elons mother said his dad went into dark psychotically induced moods. She was worried that Elon would go the same way. I think it is happening before our eyes. It doesn't help that he is using copious amounts of ketamin.
And whats more scarey is how many hold him up as a leader.
The right wing thinks this behaviour is totally ACCEPTABLE unless it was a " brown" person doing it then they would claim it was a backwards culture etc
Ah so wat about him, eventually he'll out of there & forgotten, besides nearly every leader they produce in America is nuts, who cares
To be honest, his use of ketamine is the least offensive part of his shtick.
Don’t deflect
They have been traumatized for the rest of their lives by these disgusting people
Being traumatised doesn't mean being triggered - that's the difference. This is triggering for those who went through it. Don't dumb it down. Yours, someone with CPTSD
I would say enlightening and hope in Justice
I too suffer from cptsd. That's why I'm pushing for the enquiry. I don't want someone to suffer as I have done for most of my life. I do realise that it can trigger but it is still going on.
I
So they shouldn’t be prosecuted because it’s traumatic for the victims? How perverse is the thinking in the UK.
@aleph8888 Exactly what I was thinking
We had a horrible case in the US a while back where a college student's dad moved into her dorm. He was just out of prison and began to take over the entire household comprising about eight students, including both young men and young women. This grown man abused everyone for years, even when they left on breaks and returned home to their families, even when they would leave the dorm to go to classes. No one went to the police.
Victims are traumatised because of lies I agree but I suspect silence and lack of truth, seeing perpetrators freely walking the streets of the towns the victims live in is more traumatic
Kemi jumping on this when she was children’s minister and never brought it up and has only started speaking about this since Musk brought it up just shows how slimy she is
Because her fangirl support for Netanyahu didn't already show you that
She was not a Home Office minister .
@96 Slimy..or Slimey..can you get back to me on that?😊
@@96Shalom so 2 wrongs make a right ?
@sabine1470 so because she wasn't in the Home Office, does that mean she couldn't speak out about it? She is seemingly so concerned about this topic now, but mentioned nothing in the previous 7 years
Oh come on, why would you expect me to put the opinion of the chief prosecutor of grooming across the North-West of England over an American multi-billionaire?!
Kappa 😂
*South African settler
Your trust in such people is blindingly nieve🤷♂️ as is your grasp of this topic🤨
However, there are victims who still haven't received any justice, they are equally suffering from trauma.
So how does the previous Government's refusal to implement any recommendations of the Jay inquiry help them?
@@philiptaylor7902it doesn't, and doesn't matter. Current MPs need to agree to do the work and any single time one of them points to another MP not doing something, they're wasting time.
Excellent guest. Thank you.
Thank you James for discussing this subject. Kemi and the cons are totally despicable using this as a way to hamper Labour, and lying about the "equiry" motion. The motion read as stopping the bill, not establishing a new enquiry.
Absolutely
This is a more sane conversation about an issue that's important to the whole society.
The problem with most people now including theses 2 doughnuts is that they want to do is talk. Men like action.. not talking
Yes there are consequences for telling lies. In Britain it’s gets you into power.
What lies? The grooming gangs did happen.
It does in America too... you just have to donate enough money.
Who do you think has lied here to get into power regarding this ?.
And president of the USA
What has caused the delay on delivering on the old report? Who is responsible for not following through on the recommendations? Delay is denial of justice.
I knew Musk was misappropriating the truth, and anyone who disagrees with him is painted as a Gang apologist, but I'm really thankful to hear this side of the events.
He's been doing it for years now.
@@SHARON.Idoing what! Fighting for the truth, Kryptonight of the left😡
Let’s ignore the victims thanking Musk shall we. As that doesn’t fit with LBC’s narrative, quite clearly
Of course not. Complete deflection and projection.
Omg seriously ?
Why not start yhe programme with the in action by the tories who did not implement one recommendation, musk is a troll so ignore him..
Mandatory reporting is absolutely necessary however the Labour Party need to redefine their definition of ‘Islamophobia’ and scrap their policy on if approved terms when describing Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs. What about the MP who spoke up for victims and was nominated by an Islamic charity for Islamophobe of the year awards? Whistleblowers also need protection.
How many from the police, CPS and councils who willfully failed these children have you prosecuted? How many of these are still in these positions of trust?
I haven't heard him mention anything about them once. Why should we move on and not make these scumbags feel the 'full force of the law'?
Zero
That's is because being bad at your job is not illegal at the moment, though some police officers were reprimanded. The Child Wellbeing and Schools act that Labour are trying to legislate just this week would change this. The Tories and Reform tried to block it.
Michael I think, entirely by accident, that you’ve hit the nail on the head. I say by accident because I believe you’re aiming the venom at one group while exposing another group you think you’re speaking up for.
He glosses over it because he must protect his team. He falls for the very things he claims not to and they are client journalism and footbalification.
@@charlievarley What about misconduct in public office 2003??
These people make me feel sick .. 🤢
what, people that prosecute child abusers make you sick?? odd.
Tell the truth the people are still being tormented by the fact it has been covered up by the government and not addressed.
I'm not so far left to think everyone is the same. Should we know if certain areas have a overwhelming amount of a culture doing these crimes? Can we not talk about this? What is going on?
The statistics DO say that it is mainly white men so that is significant.
I don't think they ever stopped being traumatised.
The media should stop reporting about Musk.
Cancel culture?
Musk has done a great thing. Now the world knows what went on. Most people are outraged that it's been allowed to happen
Or if they do they should actually challenge him and his nonsense
@@twisteddancer7773 every journo, politician and citizen who reads the news already new about Rochdale and the grooming gangs.
@tamasproductions Right. And? The grooming gang scandal is still a problem and Labour have now blocked any inquiries into it. I wonder what they are hiding. Some high people in Labour and the Tories and government positions are quite obviously involved in some way. But yeah let's look at Elon and his mean tweeting. Absolutely Comedy gold. 😂
Why does James OBrien have a Twitter account?
@@voodoochile333 Yes the pure hypocrisy of people like O Brien that want X gone. While still putting their own opinions on the platform
Yet you continually post on a section of someone you dislike. Slightly weird behaviour
Oh I get it, if you say anything negative about musk you can't have a twitter account.
Did I get that right?
@@Sam88-l4k Since the woke has destroyed comedy, you gotta get your laughs from somewhere. .
@Sam88-l4k there is nothing as funny as the typical socialist poster.
'It's a global issue, not a British issue' How about you deal with the British end of the problem and let the rest of the world figure out their own trafficking problems.
(Actually, its a Pakistani issue, not British)
How many towns were looked into in the original investigation?
15 minutes of googling and you will be an expert?
How many victims were spoken too aswell...labour love inquiries normally
The investigations into the five towns affected was enough to trigger the national Jay enquiry. That enquiry reported back and gave 20 recommendations.
Reported instances since that inquiry started, and has concluded, are irrelevent as, firstly, the inquiry had already started, secondly, the recommendations needed to be put in law, and finally, it would be expected if prosecutors had learned where and how, as the facts show, previous cases had failed.
The implementation of the recommendations may uncover even more instances, this would mean that those new laws could be seen to be working, Therefore, at this stage, no new inquiries are needed.
The problem with all of this is most people have no idea how these processes work and many are then stirred up by commentators who are happy to encourage social unrest and friction to support their own, often harmful, agendas.
Nazir Adil hits the problem on the head with his last 2 comments, women and girls (and young boys) are not listened too and working class women and children are not listened to and treated with further contempt. Mungo Jerry hit it on the head in their song In The Summertime- “if her daddy’s rich take her out for a meal, if her daddy’s poor do what you feel “ misogyny has nothing to to with race or religion it’s every where
Why can’t they zip it for diversity sake!!
They already did that for fourty years🤬
@ I was being facetious
The ones begging for an enquiry should be scrutinised themselves. They are utterly disgusting and not interested in the victims and solely focused on a particular group of predators. We need the whole truth up there for all to see . This is important for all the victims and any future victims to understand that they could be preyed on by anyone ( church , media personalities etc…) ! This is utterly unacceptable and reckless . Don’t these people have children of their own . They should search their own consciences first and be ashamed of politicising such a serious matter . This obsession is warped . Let’s get on and protect all vulnerable individuals.
Yes I agree farage and tories shoul be looked into.
Yes because these predators got off with ridiculously light sentences and are now freely roaming the streets of this country. We need to see those involved in the coverup in prison.
I agree, the safety of children should be above all else, especially political games.
Justice must be done.
There's no point in caring about the victims. What's done is done.. it needs to be brought to the forefront so we don't have more victims
When someone who has knowledge speaks vs someone posts to inflame
LBC is exercising political sophistry here. What is retraumatizing victims is the realization that the police, courts and government did nothing to stop this for so long.
Exactly, and NO ONE elected either of these people to speak on behalf of the real victims!
@@brother1ray Who elected Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, Farage, Musk et al to speak on behalf of the victims?
9:50 Waiting for that remark . We’re a predominantly white country so of course the number would be higher. However for some victims not enough has been done
Great guest, thanks for bringing him on
So James do you think we should have an enquiry yes or no
We've had one.
I take it he’s a big mate of Starmers
Everybody needs to stop speaking on behalf of the victims on both the left and the right and start letting them drive the conversation so they can tell us what they want to see happen.
That already happened in the last Inquiry. Labour are trying to put some of this into action with the Child Wellbeing and Schools act.
They have they want it re investigating
This is literally what this guest is doing.
@charlievarley Consultations rarely fully address a problem because they tend to be centred around the cost of implementation more than what measures adequately solve it. I've been involved in consultations for other issues that weren't nearly as important as this..and the govt did almost nothing with our suggestions, let alone include them in their proposals.
I'm sure Starmer's plan makes improvements, but it's for the victims to say whether they're happy with it or not and they should be fully encouraged to do so.
@@arranodoherty4372Where is your evidence for this? The vast majority of victim statements are in favour of taking action, not commencing another 5-7 year inquiry. I have only seen a single call by a victim for a new inquiry.
I hate the fact that the abuses by the Catholic and Protestant churches are never brought up in these conversations.
Or the fact 200 children were just rescued in Guatemala in the Jewish community
James has spoken about that on a frequent basis; it was only a couple of weeks ago when the story broke of the cover up within the church.
As a catholic I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Whataboutism, avoidance tactic.
@mechminded2207 it's you who is engaging in avoidance
If you focus on one scandal not related to your own communities then you can avoid addressing the bigger issue of nonce's we have
No they haven't been re traumatised they were told to remain silent
So the victims of this crime are telling this man they are being retraumatized, but you're saying they're not so you speak for these girls then
@@TheMakaveli09 Do you believe anything, no matter how unlikely?
you do not get over abuse you live with it and in my opinion being heard is very important it should not be swept under the carpet and pretend it did not happen yes it does trigger emotions but the victims often self harm have suicidal thoughts use alcohol and drugs to numb feelings so the effects are long term and last a life time no matter how long ago it happened
I do appreciate that domestic violence largely towards women but nothing is ever said about men that are put through domestic violence, I have personally seen several relationships where the men are suffering domestic violence and it seems to be on the rise, this also does not help when the police are called they automatically side with the women involved.
For instance my brother was attacked by his ex with a knife when he was holding there child, we called the police and they did nothing, no statements taken, no action taken, they took her side as soon as they walked through the door.
Victims want the enquiry.
Maybe. But when shown that that impressed progress of implementation of the last enquiry?
@@rivenessMaybe 😂. Clearly most do want the inquiry and people like Maggie have been incredibly critical of the last one.
@poyzer most don't as it would halt carrying out the required law changes and the required followups, i.e. further enquiries, that the enquiry calls fir.
Ah, you didn't read the enquiry.
I dont feel re traumatised.. the trauma is there anyway..
People like you and people have experience like you let the victims down,they allow them to suffer
I fully agree with him. Kemi, Jenrick and Musk are not experts in this at all. Kemi and Jenrick know they are clowns in a joke party and Musk is narcissistic in thinking everything he says is biblical. Yes he is smart but he has never been a prosecutor.
News media regulations NOW !
Where is Labour's Action pleeze!
They passed the Children’s Wellbeing and Schools Bill through it’s initial reading yesterday. Including recommendations that were in the enquiry that the last Government commissioned and failed to act on.
Imagine how traumatic it would be for one of the victims if the perpetrator who is delivering fast food in the area he committed his crimes shows up at their house.
The mind does boggle but then what else do you expect these days. 🤡 world
These days…
Bizarre, I believe the opposite is true…. the big complaint amongst the victims was that nobody was listening and not enough media coverage considering how widespread this situation was and still is 🤷♂️
lol.... you want us to belive the victims don't want a National inquiry... seriously
Not his claim.
The most shameless the prosecutor and lc. If the prosecutor had done his job well and the grooming gangsters had been punished by their crimes and there had no covered up, there would have been no mention now!
Reopen the issue is not to retraumatize the victim but to give them the longe absent justice!
As the enquiry pointed out, and people keep saying, cases are being prosecuted.
Why are you sharing lies in order to protect paedophiles?
@riveness what do you talk about? Who to protect paedophiles?
The problem is how the case was prosecuted and how much the criminals were punished and how the case was covered in media.
Afzal was born in Birmingham, his parents having emigrated from Pakistan.
And
And he prosecuted the rochdale grooming gang. your point being?
Thanks Wikipedia. Useful information there….
beep boop beep
@@simonparfitt8he’s a stooge for the government and its determination to blow this thing under the carpet🤷♂️
if this is the girls prosecutor, no wander nothing was done.
As the enquiry pointed out, and people keep saying, cases are being prosecuted.
Why are you sharing lies in order to protect paedophiles?
Me too also its awful if it wasnt bad enough getting abused as a child its still happening and all organisations are closing doors in my face
James, ive seen a few interviews of victims thanking Musk. Why dont you speak to them or doesnt that fit your political agenda.
London labour desperately trying to make it all go away
Care to point me at some? I haven't seen any.
@@philthrelfall5294 LBC andrew marr interview from this week
@@philthrelfall5294 try GMB as well.
Get out your bubble.@@philthrelfall5294
Moaning on about musk is easier than talking about the grooming gangs init........
It's a nice deflection. They can't stand one of the most influential persons on the planet talks common sense and points out things that are wrong in this world.
As the enquiry pointed out, and people keep saying, cases are being prosecuted.
Why are you sharing lies in order to protect paedophiles?
This comment would be a nice addition to idiot’s corner.
Retraumatismed by the rejected of their government. Their trauma is not political view, a debate but pain and depression
Given that 0 Reform MP's turned up to the debate on tackling violence against women and girls, I think we can safely say that Reform were grifting again. Using the very real and emotional situations of genuine victims to further their own narrative against the government, which contains some members who have contributed THE MOST to tackling violence against women and children.
Great words from a great guest!
You know what’s triggered them. Many of the perpetrators have yet to be brought to Justice. They are roaming the streets of the uk as we speak. And those that covered up or were complicit in these crimes. Many have not been brought to Justice. That is where the trauma lies. None of the victims would have even gotten any justice had it not been for the courageous police detectives and journalists that spoke on an issue that virtually all in the media refused to cover.
He’s gaslighting to protect 🫛🦌📁’s This guy cares nothing for the victims and probably was complicit in the cover ups🤷♂️
Thank you Elon for exposing the truth
Everyone knew this in 2011 do try to keep up
@@wiretom I WAS ONLY 3YRS old then
@@wiretomMusk has brought it to the world stage!!! We should be very thankful👍
@@stantheman9490the point is that Elon is not "exposing" anything, other than his own ignorance of the situation.
He's distorting the truth simply to massage his own ego.
@@stantheman9490then grow up. You’ve no idea what you’re talking about.
The BOTS in the comments...
It is a very difficult subject and above my pay grade. In any case, what would an enquiry do? We should have already realised mistakes were made in the past in stopping grooming gangs, and as long as Starmer pursues these paedophiles going forward, then we have reset to what should be the norm. Spend less time chasing scapegoats and more time protecting the innocent.
There’s loads of victims that want a proper independent public enquiry with the powers that holds. The so called enquiries they’ve had were conducted by the councils involved. Without the powers to force people to testify. Do you not think that will seem shady to many people? Investigate yourself in effect is what they allowed them to do. People know officials acted atrociously, and want them brought to account.
@@robertcook117What was the Jay inquiry, 2015-2022?
The inquiry they did didnt focus on the grooming gangs and nobody was prosecuted.
We need an enquiry that will punish those who were complicit and covered it up for years. We need names and punishment
@@Londonchippieis that what an enquiry does? So years and years later we may have actions? Not all victims want an enquiry.
About following up on the previous ones and following through with actions
This entire interview was just a load of waffle and excuses. The fact remains these perpetrators are free and those who covered it up have never been punished.
As the enquiry pointed out, and people keep saying, cases are being prosecuted.
Why are you sharing lies in order to protect paedophiles?
Really ? waffle ? from the prosecutor himself ? ... sheesh ... just mind boggling !
What about people in positions not to speak of cases like the father of the southport murderer who should have been deported but wasnt threelittle girls would still be here ,obrian stop trying to stop the country getting proper inquiriesinto whats going on , you are aiding cover ups
He only has guests that fit his narrative
Maybe his narrative is right tho
What, the man who brought the perpertrators to justice? what narrative would that fit then?
What narrative is that? Information is information, journalists seek out the facts, you don't have to like what people have to say, but it doesn't make it wrong.
A lack of understanding on your part is an opportunity to learn, not something to fear or be ashamed of.
@@Nikolai508brilliant comment 👍. I agree entirely, some people seem resistant to learning.
Dude is literally one of the lead prosecutors in these cases.... I don't know what other narrative you need to hear?
You honestly think Musk finally bringing the right attention to these despicable crimes is as traumatising as GOING THROUGH IT? I doubt it very much. I imagine they’d be pleased to finally get this on the table and taken seriously. STOP TRYING TO DEFLECT AND MINIMISE THIS! WHO is this lawyer?
Interesting that Musk didn't care about it while the Conservatives sat on the findings for 2 years though isn't it?
Musk has not 'brought attention' to these crimes. The Times did that, then the police with the prosecution and the MOJ with the prison sentences. There have been inquiries (ignored by the last Government). Musk is using the victims as political pawns. As for "WHO is this lawyer" it actually says under the video, but to save you looking he was the one that brought the prosecutions of the Rochdale abusers. He lierally brought the scumbags to justice and knows personally many of the victims and a whole lot more about this than Musk.
I don’t blame musk to much but who ever told him told him wrong ,musk should tell us who told him wrong ,then we can deal with it.
He was the prosecutor who represented the victims in these crimes - and I’m guessing that, unlike you, he has actually *spoken* to said victims - seen them talk on the stand?
Elon Musk and the Tories exploiting their trauma for the same things they always want - less immigration, cuts to benefits, cuts to council budgets etc - is actually a fairly traumatising thing to experience.
You have one group of men on one hand objectifying you sexually, and another group of men like musk on the other hand objectifying you politically. Claiming to “speak for you” when they’re speaking for themselves and just using you as a prop. That’s not traumatic?
💯
can someone at the Ministry of Truth please point out what he said that is a lie?
afzal is a liar
Labor dont want to lose muslim vote .they wont do anything
They are and have done way more that the tories who ignored the 20 recomendation of a £200 million inquiry. Stammer has been calling for these recommendations to be actioned since 2012.
@@theythinkimmadyouknowthe first reported cases were in 2002
Do you really think labour would lose the Muslim vote over prosecuting child abusers ? Are you alright up there ?
they've done more for these girls in the past few weeks than the Tories have in the last 10 years. The Tories & Reform keep trying to block the reform act and push for another inquiry that helps no one.
Neither do the Tories. Otherwise the lid would have blown of years before and people would have been held accountable. Perfect fail over the whole line.
Please tell me why the people who knowingly allowed this issue to continue and covered it up ,even when they became aware of it, should not be named and held to account, give me a reason.
As no sane person can do this then please tell me how the same people can be identified if not by an inquiry.
Should no one respond with any answers I can only assume that no one is able to.
The great walk back on what he said in 2008 - he basked in the glory as the slayer of demons when no one else could . CPS ; he admits then was terrible - deliberately so , why would they want to prosecute pakistani groomers ? He only bagged a handful of rappists when there were thousands of them strolling around .Home office appointed him as a safe pakistani who would hopefully not take any action against pakistani groomers -
James as usual throwing shade for paedophiles.
He needs his hard drive checking🤷♂️
Well you are, you are determined to go against the subsequent findings instead believing in yours, which helps continue to operate in stealth and without effective remedy
What an angle to take! This is desperate stuff.
Truth hurts.
BS
The problem here isn’t Musk it is that the general public want a transparent , independent national enquiry and Starmer ( as usual) has ignored them.
He seems intent on on losing ALL public support in his quest for a public political suicide.
Bring back Sue Gray…….no wonder she left…..jeez.
How many calls has this man fielded from those victims that have not had redress in the courts?
How many calls has this man had from the murdered girls by these gangs that have not been brought to justice?
How many of the parents that called police ans were told to shut up, or face arrest, or were arrested have been retraumatised?
He can rattle this country with tweets so would be wise to stop the reverse psychology against him, this is one person this establishment cant smear.
Legacy media cover up. What ever you think at least he spotlighted 2 tier policing
Even legal or psychiatric follow-up, with the best of intentions, carries the risk of retraumatising victims. If a society is meant to protect the vulnerable, the least it can do is to sanction those with malice or ill-intent.
Either this gentleman is lying/misleading public or just extremely poor with math. It is certainly statistically true that Pakistan community in UK has a much higher percentage of grooming crime than other communities per population. The data is right there.
"It took me a couple of days to come up with this angle, but now I'm gonna get me some appearance fees"
And how does he know 88% are white men when ethnicity isn't being recorded?..... or is that 88% where ethnicity IS recorded, which has other implications
So nice of James to stand up for the Pakistanis. That's the most important thing here🥴
Is it any wonder mainstream Media is dying. And I am glad we Are Alive to witness it.
Could you expand that statement for the rest of us?
Can you explain this comment? And what you mean
@petec3241 see my response to Sam Pete. Time to stop being a woke melt mate
@ now be sensible, don’t fall back on meaningless labels because you can’t articulate a proper response. Explain what you mean. I’m sure we’re all waiting with bated breath for your insights.
Hahaha do you hear yourselves on here. Comedy gold. No wonder there are so many memes against the far left and the left in general. 😂
You have no argument against us.
Musk is not the problem
But his behaviour is A problem
Yes he is. Musk owns a global social media platform, which he has turned into the 'wild west'. Then he himself, with over 200 million followers, is actively spreading misinformation. I call that a problem!
Nice strategy, really!!
So, was it Nazir's or Kier's decision to add one of the victims of the Rochdale trial to the indictment?
How many survivors did you put off reporting as they feared they would be charged with offences?
The mistakes that were made need to be found, and a light shone on them, so that they never happen again.
Maybe an inquiry would be able to do this? Just a thought. . .
As a survivor myself I think what he’s doing is disgusting - / He doesn’t care about the survivors of these gangs he just wants attention. He doesn’t care how he gets it.
As a survivor you want to walk past your abuser who are free to do as they please? Yeah okay Malik.
You are treading on dangerous ground James..... I think the only people you should be asking if they want an inquiry is the victims so lets get a few on your show ! go ask the horses mouth the victim what they want instead of this unauthorized Labour collateral damage prevention exercise.
Do you really think victims want to be on national radio?
Exactly!, this man's opinion is his opinion, let the victims decide what's to happen.
So it’s ok for Musk and the far-right to flood every news channel with calls for another enquiry while barely having a clue about what happened, but if James speaks to an expert who expresses a view contrary to the far-right narrative he is somehow on “dangerous ground” and shouldn’t say anything unless they can get some of the victims on his show?
What a ridiculous post! You clearly have NO UNDERSTANDING of the impact that such abuse had on these CHILDREN (generally).
@allip4226 YES!, who speaks about it changes nothing!, the crimes still happened, and the people involved need bringing to justice.
Yes, it may be hard for them to watch. And it may give them emotions again... but they DESERVE justice. They DESERVE NOT TO WALK PAST THEIR ABUSERS.
What lies James???? Just wait until this issue comes to your door then we will see your response you wrong un
Blah blah blah
I blame the Tories for not implementing it had plenty of time to, it took Starmer to start prosecuting gangs.
@futsanflier4422 The OP is right though aren't they
@@lesleylamy All politicians are to blame for not saying anything in the beginning
@@lesleylamy Absolutely not true 🤦🏼♂️ Yes the Tories are just as bad but the grooming was under Labour FACT
She is on USA and Musk mad man payroll
Notice how they deflect your a disgrace
James O'Brien's "outrage slop" traumatises me.
Last question is hilarious
It's the other way around. The victims are Glad this has come out for the world to see after all these decades of being put under the carpet. They're thankful for Must bringing to the attention of the world
They're not. Just like they didn't want Tommy 10 names blowing the trial. You don't give a cr@p about the kids. You're all about the colour of the perps
No they literally arent as this guest has spoken to them. He prosecuted the scumbags. Musk is using them as political pawns/
Having worked with people who have been abused; their greatest wish is that their abusers are brought to justice. These guys are trying to perpetuate the cover up.
Where is your EVIDENCEof a cover up? PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
@@liamfinch4129Most people agree with Musk on this subject. It's about times the victims got justice after all these years. Well done Musk
@@twisteddancer7773 Except that's not what Musk is saying on the subject because he's ignorant of how most things work. As has been said so many times now: hold another enquiry at this point kicks the can down the road and does not lead to justice (potentially not even when it's completed; how many recommendations of the last national enquiry did the Tories implement? Yep, zero). Musk is also supporting someone who almost totally derailed a criminal case against one of these gangs, which would have resulted in them walking free and avoiding justice completely. Do you see the problem with this?
@@31Blaize In your opinion yes
You are a liar ! You never worked with victims of abuse !
Government inaction is traumatising the country
Did you watch the video?
@commentorcommentor-s6l watching anything from lbc is traumatising especially j.o.b
@@ianhunter2374 then why are you here commenting on it? Are you one of the people that the guest mentions: you've been googling for 15 minutes and feel you have a vital point of view?
I strongly suggest that you research this topic THOROUGHLY before saying anything more!
@@ianhunter2374 you didn't say this when the torys were in power for the last 14 years ?? What exactly did they do ???
What about the father of a victem threatenedwith arest what you are saying still does not cover every thing that is wrong
It's outrageous. For political ends certain individuals are trying to convince people to want what isn't needed - another inquiry - while ignoring or blocking what IS needed to prevent further victimizations: Implementing the recommendations of the inquiry that's already been done.
I'd ask the Tories and Reform if they've heard of the concept of enlightened self-interest. Like, you could reap benefit from being seen to do the right thing. But Starmer would also reap benefit, maybe more than you....Oh dear, can't have that, can we!
How is it going fixing the foundations? Economy going well?