This is Jolee Bindo's story all over again. Basically, Revan taking Jolee's words to heart, as when Jolee let his wife go, she went on to kill many. Now that Revan's lover has fallen, he is forced to kill her. He didn't want to do so, but he had to or so he believed. It's tragic for sure, but it feels ooc for Revan tbh. Either male or female, male Revan sees Bastila as a lover and female sees Bastila as a sister, so I can't really see this ending making sense either way.
I agree. When I played Kotor as an orthodox Jedi, I didn't form any attachments to Bastila. And the story of Jolee, his wife and her Falling to the dark side of the force convinced me that, as a defender of harmony and balance, I must kill Bastila. And I didn't even get dark side points, even though I didn't get light side points. Apparently the Force does not consider killing her evil, since Revan did not do it out of malice. Since Revan did not have a romantic relationship with Bastila, I did not even try to use love to return her to the light side... And in the end, her death was the only way out.
I find it ironic that Revan is credited for being redeemed in this ending, yet Bastilla was not given the same opportunity to redeem herself. She became a Sith for a brief period of time and committed far less harm compared to Revan, yet her atrocities are unforgivable in the eyes of the Council when Revan’s were not. Make it make sense.
I believe this KOTOR really displayed the true nature of the force. Current Star Wars writers could really spend a good 20 hours or more playing through it. I myself will be playing through it again for the first time on the Nintendo Switch… as soon as I get my Animal Crossing Island to 5 stars…
@@DarkLOREDash if u like a game thats kinda like harvest moon meets dark cloud then ya its amazing! but not engaging like KOTOR just addictive like minecraft LOL
I do think that If Bastila granted Revan mercy and I do think it is fair for Revan to return the Favor. For Revan did worse than Bastila ever did while he was on the Dark Side. Revan did kill a lot of people while he was the Dark Lord of Sith.
3:19 It is also possible for Bastila to attack you after you try to redeem her (and she will fight to the death) if you pick the wrong dialogue options.
In my very first playthrough of KOTOR I got the light side ending but had to kill Bastilla because my persuade was not very high at all and didn't get far enough in Bastilla's side quest to romance her. This is the reason persuade/speech has always been a priority for every video game since.
Honestly I never thought of killing her but I totally didn’t search how to redeem her on my first play through 😂 love the vid as always also Bastilla be like I will never turn to the dark side two minutes later hi Revan I am a sith now lol 😂
I could never kill Bastila Shan she is too awesome to kill and besides it was never her fault at least not entirely besides the Jedi council mainly others like Vrook are what made Bastila go to the dark side with their hypocrites and faults. At least Revan helped make up for it by saving Bastila.
it definitely is hollow and feels like a force-in to have some arbitrary romance stuff in the game. her fall was also quite sudden as much as her pride was meant as a telltale sign, it should have been made clearer. this game ain't as perfect as people claim it to be, it absolutely is phenomenal. but it does have its quirks lol@@Hewasnumber1
So you can only redeem and turn Bastila back to the light side if you are a male lightside Player because it's canon...typical space Opera drama I replayed the game a few days back and find that i couldn't redeem Bastila because i played as a lightsided female and had to kill her because she refused to be turned back. And after killing Malak and the final scene at the temple played i found it no victory and empty without Bastila being there... Well...another childhood memory lost forever.
Everyone keeps saying stuff like this, and since I played a female light side character I was really worried and saved before cause I did NOT want to kill her. It's actually really simple. Maybe it was because I had completed her side quest and her dialogues, maybe cause I liked to put a lot of points in charisma, but idk what you all were talking about, she folded very easily...
Not necessarily. A female dark side Revan might decide to kill Bastila just out of sheer bitchiness. Some women only make male friends, not female friends. Also killing Bastila would sever the bond between them, which could be a liability and a serious weakness for Darth Revan in the future. No master wants her apprentice knowing her feelings and reading her mind.
@@et34t34fdf : Yes. Dark side Revan is little more than a stupid thug with a lightsaber. Given Darth Revan's back story as an evil genius, the only ways he could become a stupid thug is if he suffered serious brain damage when Malak's ship fired on his bridge, or (even worse) if the Jedi Masters basically lobotomised him in order to control him. The Dark Side dialogue suits a character who is a Soldier/Guardian with an Intelligence of 8. Strong but thick as mince. Making him 'Dunce Revan The Daft Lad Of The Stupid'.
@@et34t34fdf sith trooper "who do you think you are? Revan?" You "er.....well....yes" Trooper "dont make me laugh" I was waiting for the option to kill them. Never came tho. But when your 100% dark you get alot of cool choke to death options
Maybe it's something even simpler. Maybe the team that worked on the story arc for Juhani also worked on the story arc for Bastila. Maybe the option to kill wasn't an all-too-encompassing conspiracy but just the preference of the teams or a single person who wrote the dialogue and options, and because they were on a time crunch to get it done, they left it in there.
I did a lightside playthrough on Kotor recently and I turned her back to light by confessing love for her. Killing her isn't the only way you can complete on lightside, I did kill Bastilla once though and I didn't like it.
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You can kill her if you turn to the dark, and then turn to the light when Carth tries to turn you. Still quilifies as dark side i’d say.
I don't have to kill her to get light side ending u can redeem her threw love and that's also the Canon ending is her redemption threw love they Even have child in the future and the shan/revan blood line continued all the way into the old republic Era with satel shan (I know I butchers the spelling on there name)
Eh, if most Jedi wars are about former Jedi who turned into the dark side and the role of the Jedi is to guard against the dark side AND a trained military can defeat a large number of (evil) force users (ep III), then why won't the Jedi Order simply self-dissolve in order to get rid of the problem they are the cause of in the first place?
There have been cases in the Star Wars Expanded Universe where force sensitive beings have been able to learn the ways of the dark side of the Force without any Jedi training of any kind whatsoever. Usually through discovering ancient Sith relics lost for centuries or millenia, sometimes through being contacted by evil dark side spirits of long dead Sith. So disbanding the Jedi Order and banning the Jedi teachings won't be enough to prevent the eventual rise of the Dark Side. All it would do is delay the inevitable.
@@timonsolus let's talk statistics of incidents and victims. First, most of the wars are fought amongst the Jedi of various provenance and second, most of the fallen Jedi had had some training in the light side. I really see no reason why the Force should not be treated with the same kind of prejudice Chaos and the Warp are in the Warhammer universe and any recognized force sensitives are. Suffer not the psyker to live, lol.
This is such a silly take. Lol what. You don't need the Jedi to be present for the Sith or dark force users to appear. The force is also within all living beings and flows throughout the universe. Read up on the Whills.
@@suddenimpulse030 I know it's a silly take, as is any attempt to rationalize the SW universe to our standards. I'm just goofing around. What I'm saying is that since we rarely see non-Force user generated conflict and there are relatively few entities who are powerful enough to use the Force, the interest of the wider population would be not to train, but to eliminate such creatures for the good of the galaxy at large.
I was furious that unless you spent loads of skill points into persuade you are forced to kill Bastila. Especially if you are true lightsider and dont want to kill helpless, defeated prisoner.
Hey I noticed that Bastila is wearing clothing is that in the game or is that mod cuz I just haven't seen it until just now and the clothing I'm talking about she has on she has it on when she and the main character return to where all the other party members are I was just wondering if that's like some clothing that's exclusive Pacific versions or something like that I don't know it's just ask
Great news! KOTOR II was a premature release filled with bugs and unfinished content. We don't need a KOTOR I remake released in 2022 in that condition. Sony are wise to ditch the Christmas 2022 release date and do the job properly, even if it means scrapping what was in the vertical slice demo Aspyre showed to Sony, and restarting the entire project from scratch.
I think this hypocrisy is supposed to expose how twisted the Jedi Order has become and will remain. The Jedi Oath is simply "There is no ignorance, there is knowledge. There is no passion, there is serenity. There is no chaos, there is harmony. There is no death, there is the Force.". At no point is "you cannot have a family, marry, have kids, etc." mentioned. In fact, IIRC, one of the Jedi masters in the prequel trilogy is one of very few males born to his species every generation, so he has to return yearly to impregnate 100+ females.
Luke's Jedi order brought back love and romance. At least in Legends, I believe. Not Disney's Luke, that was awful. All they were trying to do was shoe-horn in their own new characters. Luke also encouraged Jedi to marry and that made the next generations of Jedi even stronger. There is a genetic component to the force too so not only were they genetically stronger but also now they fought for something real; Family and love instead of dogma. They also studied the dark side extensively, instead of hiding their students from it. So when a student fell, it was even more terrible. It took years to get up to Palatine. When one of Luke's Jedi fell, and they did fall, it went up to 10 real quick. Disney is truly one of the worst things that happened to Star Wars. But think what we will get once it goes to the public domain! Star wars will thrive there and ripple through generations for decades to come. The birth of modern mythology!
I thought about it as I heard the play back & thought 'she is a lesbian so not applicable ' shrugged & kept going. So accident that sounds like an innuendo
After a news about closing “KOTOR remake” (maybe this is actually good because of nowadays politics) You man actually my last bastion of bacta station)))
The most satisfying team kill was taking out Carth. Having to put up the lightside and fake romantic interests all the way to the end and then cut him down on the starforge.
Boy did I get mad when I learned that Bastila knew the truth. I liked her dark side look quite a lot, but I was too mad to decide anything other than killing her. Unfortunatly I learned that one could not kill her on a dark side playthrough.
I killed Juhani right away my first play through. I was really confused why I never got my last companion lol
Same! For the longest time man lol
Me too
The Jedi dont make assasins, duh. Now that Heglund broad, hmm.
This is Jolee Bindo's story all over again. Basically, Revan taking Jolee's words to heart, as when Jolee let his wife go, she went on to kill many. Now that Revan's lover has fallen, he is forced to kill her. He didn't want to do so, but he had to or so he believed. It's tragic for sure, but it feels ooc for Revan tbh. Either male or female, male Revan sees Bastila as a lover and female sees Bastila as a sister, so I can't really see this ending making sense either way.
I agree. When I played Kotor as an orthodox Jedi, I didn't form any attachments to Bastila. And the story of Jolee, his wife and her
Falling to the dark side of the force convinced me that, as a defender of harmony and balance, I must kill Bastila. And I didn't even get dark side points, even though I didn't get light side points. Apparently the Force does not consider killing her evil, since Revan did not do it out of malice. Since Revan did not have a romantic relationship with Bastila, I did not even try to use love to return her to the light side... And in the end, her death was the only way out.
I find it ironic that Revan is credited for being redeemed in this ending, yet Bastilla was not given the same opportunity to redeem herself.
She became a Sith for a brief period of time and committed far less harm compared to Revan, yet her atrocities are unforgivable in the eyes of the Council when Revan’s were not.
Make it make sense.
I believe this KOTOR really displayed the true nature of the force. Current Star Wars writers could really spend a good 20 hours or more playing through it.
I myself will be playing through it again for the first time on the Nintendo Switch… as soon as I get my Animal Crossing Island to 5 stars…
Agreed & I'm guessing animal crossing is great?
@@DarkLOREDash compared to KOTOR… no. But if procrastination was a video game that’s what Animal Crossing is.
@@DarkLOREDash if u like a game thats kinda like harvest moon meets dark cloud then ya its amazing! but not engaging like KOTOR just addictive like minecraft LOL
You can play it on iOS and android just FYI (((:
They need to make a TV show or Movie based on this
Raven: "I am good will you marry me"?
Bastila: "No".
Raven: "Yes was the only acceptable answer"!!
*ignites his lightsaber*
Revan*
If only 😂
I do think that If Bastila granted Revan mercy and I do think it is fair for Revan to return the Favor. For Revan did worse than Bastila ever did while he was on the Dark Side. Revan did kill a lot of people while he was the Dark Lord of Sith.
Fair point. It would also be a great full circle moment of fairness. You scratch my back, I scratch yours.
Your content is amazing. Stellar mix of voice acting, writing and editing. Please keep giving these gifts.
3:19 It is also possible for Bastila to attack you after you try to redeem her (and she will fight to the death) if you pick the wrong dialogue options.
In my very first playthrough of KOTOR I got the light side ending but had to kill Bastilla because my persuade was not very high at all and didn't get far enough in Bastilla's side quest to romance her. This is the reason persuade/speech has always been a priority for every video game since.
Honestly I never thought of killing her but I totally didn’t search how to redeem her on my first play through 😂 love the vid as always also Bastilla be like I will never turn to the dark side two minutes later hi Revan I am a sith now lol 😂
I redeemed her without Google. Was kinda obvious
@@danielijust8776 I was joking lol 😂
The reason is because DS Revan is too busy impaling Bastilla with his other lightsaber to kill her.
Is it wrong to do a double impaling?
Once again, much appreciated.
It reminds me a the quote from the beginning of The Fifth Element; What is divine light?
I could never kill Bastila Shan she is too awesome to kill and besides it was never her fault at least not entirely besides the Jedi council mainly others like Vrook are what made Bastila go to the dark side with their hypocrites and faults. At least Revan helped make up for it by saving Bastila.
Vrook is a freakin dick!!!
I enjoy whackin him in KOTOR 2
I’m a light side playthrough tcenically you can also kill HK47 by not buying him
Yeah, forgot to buy him on my first playthrough
That's not killing him though. He'll just get bought by someone else on Tatooine (who will become another deceased master).
Not a light side play through though, cause you’ll have to kill all sand people and gain lots of dark side points.
Don’t ever mess with the Galactic treasure that is HK-47, meatbag.
I'd spare Bastila everytime. Forgiveness via love is immensely powerful.
I hate the romance between Revan and Bastila. It just feels hollow.
@@Hewasnumber1 you're hollow.
@@SuperLumianaire Yes, but that’s besides the point.
it definitely is hollow and feels like a force-in to have some arbitrary romance stuff in the game. her fall was also quite sudden as much as her pride was meant as a telltale sign, it should have been made clearer. this game ain't as perfect as people claim it to be, it absolutely is phenomenal. but it does have its quirks lol@@Hewasnumber1
I sense a disturbance in the editing at 9:03 . A cracked Adobe Premiere Pro 2021 of the dark side that is.
Dash not using that thumbnail is impossible and I love it
Ending someone’s suffering quickly isn’t the Jedi way. Note Obi-Wan and Anakin.
Nice to see ya again Dash.... "Our love of Star Wars surrounds us and binds us together." MTFBWY Always.
Oh wow, you're gonna get me all emotional. Nice to see you too!
So you can only redeem and turn Bastila back to the light side if you are a male lightside Player because it's canon...typical space Opera drama
I replayed the game a few days back and find that i couldn't redeem Bastila because i played as a lightsided female and had to kill her because she refused to be turned back. And after killing Malak and the final scene at the temple played i found it no victory and empty without Bastila being there...
Well...another childhood memory lost forever.
it is Light side Player of either gender. Using the Jedi Code does help in her redemption
Even a female Revan can redeem Bastila. But it's harder, you have to pick all the right dialogue options.
Tried it, reload the savefile and tried it again. She just doesn't...
Maybe i did something wrong in the playthrough 🤔
Everyone keeps saying stuff like this, and since I played a female light side character I was really worried and saved before cause I did NOT want to kill her. It's actually really simple. Maybe it was because I had completed her side quest and her dialogues, maybe cause I liked to put a lot of points in charisma, but idk what you all were talking about, she folded very easily...
Does the kiss on the Ebon hawk effect the star forge confrontation at all
Minor conversation changes during the redemption
@@DarkLOREDash what does change
"Why can you ONLY MURDER BASTILA in a LIGHTSIDE playthrough?"
Because on a darkside playthrough it's not murder, it's comedy?
Darkside is so silly in KOTOR 1, you aren't evil as much as you just are a troll.
Not necessarily. A female dark side Revan might decide to kill Bastila just out of sheer bitchiness. Some women only make male friends, not female friends. Also killing Bastila would sever the bond between them, which could be a liability and a serious weakness for Darth Revan in the future. No master wants her apprentice knowing her feelings and reading her mind.
@@et34t34fdf : Yes. Dark side Revan is little more than a stupid thug with a lightsaber. Given Darth Revan's back story as an evil genius, the only ways he could become a stupid thug is if he suffered serious brain damage when Malak's ship fired on his bridge, or (even worse) if the Jedi Masters basically lobotomised him in order to control him.
The Dark Side dialogue suits a character who is a Soldier/Guardian with an Intelligence of 8. Strong but thick as mince. Making him 'Dunce Revan The Daft Lad Of The Stupid'.
@@et34t34fdf sith trooper "who do you think you are? Revan?"
You "er.....well....yes"
Trooper "dont make me laugh"
I was waiting for the option to kill them. Never came tho.
But when your 100% dark you get alot of cool choke to death options
On a darkside playthrough, killing Bastila is considered a sigma grindset.
Maybe it's something even simpler. Maybe the team that worked on the story arc for Juhani also worked on the story arc for Bastila. Maybe the option to kill wasn't an all-too-encompassing conspiracy but just the preference of the teams or a single person who wrote the dialogue and options, and because they were on a time crunch to get it done, they left it in there.
I did a lightside playthrough on Kotor recently and I turned her back to light by confessing love for her. Killing her isn't the only way you can complete on lightside, I did kill Bastilla once though and I didn't like it.
You can kill her if you turn to the dark, and then turn to the light when Carth tries to turn you. Still quilifies as dark side i’d say.
I don't have to kill her to get light side ending u can redeem her threw love and that's also the Canon ending is her redemption threw love they Even have child in the future and the shan/revan blood line continued all the way into the old republic Era with satel shan (I know I butchers the spelling on there name)
I love KOTOR
Eh, if most Jedi wars are about former Jedi who turned into the dark side and the role of the Jedi is to guard against the dark side AND a trained military can defeat a large number of (evil) force users (ep III), then why won't the Jedi Order simply self-dissolve in order to get rid of the problem they are the cause of in the first place?
There have been cases in the Star Wars Expanded Universe where force sensitive beings have been able to learn the ways of the dark side of the Force without any Jedi training of any kind whatsoever. Usually through discovering ancient Sith relics lost for centuries or millenia, sometimes through being contacted by evil dark side spirits of long dead Sith.
So disbanding the Jedi Order and banning the Jedi teachings won't be enough to prevent the eventual rise of the Dark Side. All it would do is delay the inevitable.
@@timonsolus let's talk statistics of incidents and victims. First, most of the wars are fought amongst the Jedi of various provenance and second, most of the fallen Jedi had had some training in the light side. I really see no reason why the Force should not be treated with the same kind of prejudice Chaos and the Warp are in the Warhammer universe and any recognized force sensitives are. Suffer not the psyker to live, lol.
This is such a silly take. Lol what. You don't need the Jedi to be present for the Sith or dark force users to appear. The force is also within all living beings and flows throughout the universe. Read up on the Whills.
@@suddenimpulse030 I know it's a silly take, as is any attempt to rationalize the SW universe to our standards. I'm just goofing around. What I'm saying is that since we rarely see non-Force user generated conflict and there are relatively few entities who are powerful enough to use the Force, the interest of the wider population would be not to train, but to eliminate such creatures for the good of the galaxy at large.
This is Kreia's reasoning in KOTOR 2
How do you get her that sweet outfit?
Bastila was always destined to fall. Her arrogance and pride led her astray. It is an echo of the Jedi Order's creeping flaws.
What if you switch to ligth or darkside whit a save editor?
I was furious that unless you spent loads of skill points into persuade you are forced to kill Bastila. Especially if you are true lightsider and dont want to kill helpless, defeated prisoner.
Feels weird though ngl
Yeah
I could *NEVER* Kill Bastila in KOTOR just as I could *NEVER* Kill Visas Marr in KOTOR 2!
Hey I noticed that Bastila is wearing clothing is that in the game or is that mod cuz I just haven't seen it until just now and the clothing I'm talking about she has on she has it on when she and the main character return to where all the other party members are I was just wondering if that's like some clothing that's exclusive Pacific versions or something like that I don't know it's just ask
Fens character mods mate
I just thought I should ask cuz I don't know much about the mods for this game and all that I was only asking in case I missed it
do you have any thoughts on the kotor remake being shelved indefinitely?
Great news! KOTOR II was a premature release filled with bugs and unfinished content. We don't need a KOTOR I remake released in 2022 in that condition. Sony are wise to ditch the Christmas 2022 release date and do the job properly, even if it means scrapping what was in the vertical slice demo Aspyre showed to Sony, and restarting the entire project from scratch.
That's not true though it still being made just not by aspyr anymore
No remake man.
Happy to be here
I think this hypocrisy is supposed to expose how twisted the Jedi Order has become and will remain. The Jedi Oath is simply "There is no ignorance, there is knowledge. There is no passion, there is serenity. There is no chaos, there is harmony. There is no death, there is the Force.". At no point is "you cannot have a family, marry, have kids, etc." mentioned. In fact, IIRC, one of the Jedi masters in the prequel trilogy is one of very few males born to his species every generation, so he has to return yearly to impregnate 100+ females.
Agree
Was that Ki Adi Mundi?
Luke's Jedi order brought back love and romance. At least in Legends, I believe. Not Disney's Luke, that was awful. All they were trying to do was shoe-horn in their own new characters.
Luke also encouraged Jedi to marry and that made the next generations of Jedi even stronger. There is a genetic component to the force too so not only were they genetically stronger but also now they fought for something real; Family and love instead of dogma. They also studied the dark side extensively, instead of hiding their students from it. So when a student fell, it was even more terrible. It took years to get up to Palatine. When one of Luke's Jedi fell, and they did fall, it went up to 10 real quick.
Disney is truly one of the worst things that happened to Star Wars. But think what we will get once it goes to the public domain! Star wars will thrive there and ripple through generations for decades to come. The birth of modern mythology!
Is the thumbnail Bastila's head on Serana's body from Skyrim?
Was that "Juhani goes both ways" pun intentional or just a happy accident?
I thought about it as I heard the play back & thought 'she is a lesbian so not applicable ' shrugged & kept going. So accident that sounds like an innuendo
But I can spare bastilla tho, she used battle meditation to help the republic
Bastilla: do it
Me: okay.
Bastilla: wait wh-
(SKZZZT)
Me: Now for the last nuisance.
After a news about closing “KOTOR remake” (maybe this is actually good because of nowadays politics) You man actually my last bastion of bacta station)))
Wait I did a light side play through and I spared bastila
(Mostly luck but a high persuasion score helps)
Does this path only exist if you kill Juhani?
11:44 *Master Vandar
How can you kill Carth in dark side ?
Did you leave Zalbaar on Kashyyk? 😂
what head is that, please?
The most satisfying team kill was taking out Carth. Having to put up the lightside and fake romantic interests all the way to the end and then cut him down on the starforge.
These thumbnails tho
I still think KOTOR 1 is perfect, it's a self contained story, remove KOTOR 2 and TOR, the story still works.
is it just me or that ending leave a bad taste?
Out of curiosity, is that a mod for Bastila's body in the Dark Side ending for KOTOR 1?
What mods did you use for Bastila in general?
Fens character mods are my go to!
This video is clickbait and has no point. Your title doesn't match your "Big question": is bastilas death deserved? Wish I could unwatch this. 🤦♀️
Where was Zalbar at the end?
Dead
Was about to ask the same. As he can only be killed on a ds playthrough he should be there at the end
@@hk-4886can’t you leave him on his home world?
>murder
While I generally play a light side character, I never could stand Bastila, so she usually ends up dead in my playthroughs.
Why Bastila is so pretty in your vids rather than in the game? Do you use a mod for it?
All bad things cant and dont accept bad Thanks and these are not real
Boy did I get mad when I learned that Bastila knew the truth. I liked her dark side look quite a lot, but I was too mad to decide anything other than killing her. Unfortunatly I learned that one could not kill her on a dark side playthrough.
Pin me dash
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Thanks bro
Main reason I can’t do a darkside playthrough is because I can’t kill Bastila. I hate her so much and her survival is a disgrace.