Wood Viper & NS Design CR Electric Violin Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 6 май 2018
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► DESCRIPTION: A "friendly shootout", A/B comparison between the Mark Wood Viper & NS Design (Ned Steinberger) CR 5-String Electric Violins.
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► VIDEO LINKS (TABLE OF CONTENTS):
1) Overview of signal chain from el. violin to computer recording software - 17:42
2) Basic clean sound of Wood Viper Electric Violin - 19:08
3) Basic clean sound of NS Design CR Electric Violin - 20:37
4) Pizzicato, Strumming & Percussive effects of NS CR Electric Violin - 23:49
5) Pizzicato, Strumming & Percussive effects of Wood Viper Electric Violin - 25:29
6) Arpeggio Improv Playing Demo on NS Design CR Electric Violin - 27:02
7) Rock Overdrive Improv Playing Demo on NS Design CR Electric Violin - 28:33
8) Arpeggio Improv Playing Demo on Wood Viper Electric Violin - 29:26
9) Rock Overdrive Improv Playing Demo on Wood Viper Electric Violin - 30:53
10) Trevor's Closing Thoughts - 31:38
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Thanks for the Vid Trevor. Getting reviews for electric violins that aren’t produced by the makers themselves is rare.
Thanks, Keenen! That why I shot it, bro ... we need unbiased reviews. No one is paying me to do this. Simply the truth - from my perspective through the very highest quality signal chain I can afford. T
Great video! I just got a NS WAV4 and checking out your videos on it, and noticed how you hung it on the stand. You just saved me some money, that made me realize that I can use my existing hanger and just hang it upside down by the chin rest. Awesome!
Good catch, Sasha. Yup, a little "creative fix" for the NS. I like having my violins right where I play as a solo artist so I can quickly switch ... T
thanks trevor, great video for illustrating the instruments
Awesome, Sergio! Glad you enjoyed it! All the best! T
I also Play a 7-String Viper. Never give my Viper away, that is a incredibly great Instrument ! 7 -String is much difficult, but i have much fun, it is great to pay on it!
Awesome! T
Great video Trevor! I recently bought a 6 string viper and can't wait to hook it up to my pedal board.
Awesome, Kyle! Have fun! T
Great job! Thank you so much. Very informative.
You are welcome Mario. Glad you enjoyed. All the best! T
Viper sounded a lot better than i expected!
Cool! Yes, a great instrument and pick-up. T
Awesome video again my friend :)!
Thanks, JH! Glad you like it ... T
Super detailed work. I've done a TON of these comparison videos for EVS, but they tend to be quicker and less detailed.
Thanks, Matt. You mean you got through it - the marathon it is?! They are both great American instruments, so felt needed the time to devote to them - there is a place for all these reviews (shorter and longer more detailed). I have enjoyed the reviews you have done! Just subbed to your channel. Sub back ... let's keep the conversations and demos going. Hey and if you send me a violin or two from EVS, I'll review them ;-) ... T
Very good content and very good work. Thank you!
Thanks, Szymon! I didn't want to skimp on the content. Both instruments deserved the attention ... Many more videos coming. T
Perfect demo ever I ve seen thank u sir my wiper is coming this September I think very first in India so excited
Awesome, Vimali! Enjoy. T
I'm even more in love with the Viper now!
Great, @TraumWandler ! All the best. T
fantastic video, im in shock, hello from poland for everybody
Thanks, Jacek! Hello back from Canada! All the best. T
Great video
I've had my NS Wav for about a year, and haven't yet experimented with pedals. I really love this violin and do want to enjoy the "electric" tones.
Awesome, Tate! Have fun! Thanks for dropping in. T
When you start experimenting with pedals, please also consider SYNTHS like ROLAND'S GR55, and a MOOG CLARAVOX or ETHERWAVE as a controller.
Wow! Broke 10,000 views this month! Thanks everyone! Also SUB to my band channel here: @TrevorDickBand
I believe you have done an amazing job. Well done !! keep up the good work."
Thank you, Asher! T
Finally an actual player using a legit pedal board and not playing into a crappy fishman amp reviewing two very good 5 strings. I love the low end grow of the viper with that Barbera but I don't think I could stray that far from the natural sound I'm used to so I think the NS is a good compromise.
You've got it and get it, Cajunfid! Thanks. Put a lot of work into this video (even though I "ramble" a fair bit, thus an edited version as well) and my signal chain is always the very best it can be so you can get a true indication of exact sound quality (even better with headphones or through a proper sound system instead of laptop speakers 😉). Play on! The adventure continues ... T
Good video man. I think I prefer the Viper's tone with overdrive - but prefer the NS for most of the other stuff.
Really, Sammy (re. overdrive sound) ... I was finding it hard to decide, myself. Both have their qualities that I like, honestly ... thanks for weighing in bro! T
Nice Job !
Thanks, Togspots! Appreciated. T
Thank you for the video ! I will buy a viper violin jeje
Hey CVM, I would also test drive a NS CR and a few others ... to get what is the best fit for you, your style of music, vibe/image etc. Lot's of great options out there!
You are a great player !
Thanks, TF93! All the best. T
Nice & Thanks :)
Thanks, Krishnan! All the best. T
Please post a ton of RUclips shorts! Sweet playing!
I'll consider it, Andrey ... only so much time 😉. T
@@TrevorDick I know that feel! Take a look at my struggle on my channel to find out. Or don't lol. No time at all!
Hi Trevor, I'm a fan of yours. I think it would of been fair to make a comparison between the violins that both have an active or passive pickups. BTW, I just got a WAV violin myself and I enjoy playing it. Also to make a comment about your feeling that the electric violin does not need to sound like an acoustic violin; there are people that would like to avoid all the feedback issues that could occur while amplifying an acoustic violin. Also some people would like to practice the violin with the headphones while still getting the acoustic sound. Also, you can get a BTS Barbera bridge and install it on an acoustic violin. Thank you for the video!
Thanks for dropping in, Sky-Recordings Studio! Yes, you make all good points here. Thanks and all the best! T
thank you so much for this detailed video sir. would you like to advise me which effect paddle, wireless system and preamp is batter with viper ? thanks 🙏
BP, check out my pedalboard review here: ruclips.net/video/q9OBoYS0l0w/видео.html - instruments are a personal thing - I use the Sennheiser wireless systems, but rarely go wireless on my electric ... T
Is there any way to get the same kind of harness/strap that the viper has but on the NS violin?
Yes, Chisama! NS has a new brace system that they have just introduced. I would like to get one to try. Looks excellent! There are also other aftermarket solutions ... Thanks for dropping in! T
Nice and thanks! The NS Design is probably more versatile, but lordy the Wood violin's tone is mighty. Some of that I think has to do with the Barbera pickup which has such a characteristic tone, and sounds good even on a lessor instrument. Also I like that the Wood voilin is simple, no built in preamp or rolloff to color the tone, which gives more flexability to shape further along the chain. But heavy. Both great instruments! Does the NS Design come in a fretted configuration?
Hey Harlow, thanks for weighing in, bro! Yes, I was impressed by the sound of the VIper (those Barbera's are impressive pick-ups) although the NS really did hold its own. Although it is nice to have an instrument without an active pick-up, the battery life is long + the active crossover gives that flexibility (a trade off). Especially interesting to see the comparison in the overdriven Rock sound! Yes, you can get fretted NS Electric Violins/Cellos and they work great! My son has the cello. T
I can tell you why it is worthwhile for an electric fiddle to sound like a classical acoustic instrument -- you can practice anywhere without getting complaints and a solid body instrument is much safer to travel with, and playing in less than ideal conditions (e.g. outdoors or unheated cabin.)
Yes, Hizaleus, a good perspective. Very hard to get the true sound of an acoustic from an electric, though ... T
Thanks much!!! Both Violins are nice. You answered my question about fretted Violins. One plays with ones fingers placed on top of the frets versus just behind the fret like on a guitar. Does that feel odd?✌️🌞😎🎻
Sorry for the delay in replying, hard to keep up sometimes, Michael! I found it fairly easy to get used to the frets. Muscle memory is there. Spacing is exact ... so a few hours or so playing and you are good to go. T
Hi Trevor, must have watched this video a few times over the years. I have the WAV4. Curious about the CR, active (CR) versus passive (WAV) and it’s impact on sound. Also the pizz (CR) versus arco (CR and WAV) and how it enables if at all chop style playing, I release chop is perhaps not part of your playing style. Maybe this is a topic better discussed on your FB group ESP? Thanks.
Norman, there is a big "step up" in quality btw. the .WAV NS and the NXT and CR series. The pizza setting is great and smooth for plucking and also works fairly well (a unique texture) for chopping (which I have used on occasion - but not part of my "main thing"). This would be a great question to pose to the @Electric String Players page in FB. All the best! T
*Hi Trevor, any reason why you don’t use the Balanced Shoulder Rest from NS Design? Thank you*
Just haven't had a chance to try it yet! That's all. Have you tried it? T
Have you ever tried a fretted NS voilin? I'm an experienced player and think I want frets for intonation in loud environments but it seems that most NS players play fretless and most Wood players play frets.
Building the Tiny House I’m wondering about frets myself.
Thanks for dropping in, BTTH. Have never tried a fretted NS violin. Have a son who plays the fretted NXT cello and it works great for him! T
Does it have the option to connect to the amp without a cable?
Yes, through wireless technology ... (wireless pack - connected to the violin; and receiver connected to the pedalboard or amp).
I like the sound accoustic violins, but they usually don't come with 5 strings and/or frets. So I guess that's a good reason to go for an electric violin that can sound accoustic.
Yes, good ideas/thoughts there on this. Where are you at on this now? T
@@TrevorDick I'm using a 5 string NS through a cello IR from 3sigma. I love the sound, but I don't have as much time to play as I'd like.
One thing to remark is that while it sounds pretty acoustic, it still doesn't give me the same nuance as an acoustic violin. Bow pressure, speed and placement make very little difference in tone compared to a real acoustic violin. The upside is that there's less variables that I can mess up.
I like the NS better. It has a warmer sound and sounds more like an acoustic violin.
It's a personal thing, but I hear you, Jake. All depends on what your music/stylistic goals are. I love my NS! T
I have noticed that the Mark Wood Viper is rather expensive, and they are not always easy to find for sale! Wish the design was license to other violin makers so that it would be more affordable and more would be available!
I'm intermediate. I'm thinking about buying the NXTa 5-string cello with an E string. Should I get frets?
Hey Jake, that's a personal taste thing. If you are comfortable playing without frets, you may want to get a non-fretted at first. Frets enable you to chord a lot easier, if that is something you are wanting to do? My son has a fretted NXT for that reason and he loves it. T
At 29:23 are you using an effects pedal?
Yes, I am Chisama - delay, overdrive, reverb and 8ver ... you can see the signal chain (exact effects) I am using at 17:42 - all the best!
What is the song you’re playing at 27:22?
It's my own composition / improv 😊. Works well on 5-string. T
Can I connect the Viper with a Headset?
Fey, not sure what you mean by this? With headphones? T
Can you get the same vibrato?
The NS is much closer to a real acoustic instrument in terms of how it responds to vibrato. The Viper still responds to vibrato (even with the frets) but a little differently - but also opens up other options (chording, bending etc) ...
I see the NS in most of your later Vids. Just more available or preference? NS seems to have better note separation.
Jason, thanks for stopping by. I prefer the NS for the music I do (sound/diversity of pick-up and feel) ... was just borrowing the Viper for this demo. Very different instrument - and has the "look" for more of the heavy rock violinist. Hey, subscribe if you haven't already. T
I will subscribe. I just picked up the CR after watching your video. I don’t look good in a mini skirt, so the Viper was out for me (Caitlin Deville wears the Viper better than we can :)).
What bow are you using with your CR? Coda Joule?
Also, I’m telling everyone NS means Ned Stark.
Ha, Ha ...
If you got time, it would be awesome if you could do the Outro RR solo from Mr. Crowley on your NS. Would be interested on how you would translate the Dm/Gm7/C/F triplet arpeggios on Violin.
Awesome playing on your other Videos and thanks for all the tips.
On The Viper do the frets make any difference
Mountairymobile, they enable you to play more in tune 😉. Not hard to get used to ... I prefer non-fretted myself, though. T
Hola como puedo conseguir éste violin me gusta cr hola buenas noches como puedo hacer me interasa el violin
Hi Marcial, thanks for your interest in the CR. You can order them directly from Ned Steinberger here: thinkns.com
Hola necesito saber el precio del violín CR por favor
Which e Violin should I buy for my 7 year old boy on his birthday? Cheap but good enough for now?
I would get an NS WAV or Yamaha electric violin. All the best! T
thank you, i am grateful for your insight@@TrevorDick
you are welcome! @@wretchedyouth4253 T
Hey man! Great video, but your links aren't working!
Hey Brando, thanks! Links are working now :-) ... I think you commented before I saved the links - was actually still working on it - lol! Try now ... and thanks for dropping in! T
Brando, did you check the links now? T
thank you sir . are they heavy
Yes, the Viper is heavy ... but the strap system helps to offset the weight. T
Interesting comparison.. There are custom one-off guitars with stratospheric prices, BEAUTIFUL builds and inspiring Sound. Have you ever reviewed violins in thus category; a sort of STRADIVARI of electric violins. Why ? So beginners like me have something to compare to.
These two electric violins are the "STRADIVARI" of the electric violin world (along with a few others), Ron. It all comes down to personal taste. You definitely GET what you pay for, though ... 👊 T
@@TrevorDick Thank you for your riposte !
SIR, WHICH IS YOUR FAVOURITE ELECTRIC VIOLIN
Biju, I use and prefer the NS (for my sound, look and feel), but they are both great! Thanks for dropping in and make sure you subscribe for more videos ... T
Thank you Sir for your reply
GREETINGS FROM INDIA❤
@@bijuvs3239 welcome! T
I wanna make comparison between Wood and Fourness, would you leave it for me? ;)
Go for it, Daniel! The more reviews the better! I would love to try the Fourness and new Zeta electric violins ...
Trevor Dick me too, and also compare it to Cantini
Yes, a review of the Cantini Sonic coming soon. Have you seen this older "shootout" I did a while back? - ruclips.net/video/4tdmG_3YSbI/видео.html
Trevor Dick yes, I saw that review. Interesting, if new Cantini sounds more cool than old?
I'll tell you what ... I'll do an A/B comparison btw. the older gen. and the new gen Sonic soon (although, I don't have the very latest generation Cantini at this point ... T
The Viper seems like a truly excellent instrument, but that chest spike seems deeply uncomfortable.
Takes some getting used to, Márton ... T
Pretty sure the Viper is made out of poplar, but they put decorative wood veneers over the top of that for extra cost.
Hey Dwight, thanks for the clarification. Appreciated! I wonder how poplar resonates in comparisons to the other building materials out there? Would be an interesting bit of research. T
@@TrevorDick I think it's redeeming quality is that it is an easy wood to work with. I can't speak to its resonance.
Anyone from India wants to buy this violin?? Contact me, reply.
Not sure what your question is, PK? Are you wanting to try to purchase one of these electric violins? T
Just put a Barbera pickup on the CR5 and you will get the perfect violin :D
Interesting idea, @M&M! I'm also fascinated by the magnetic pickups for el. violin, but this means a change of strings to steel. Thoughts? T
@@TrevorDick I recently had to choose between a magnetic pickup (Cantini) and Piezo (Zeta) but I got the Zeta. It was a hard choice since both violins sound amazing. Regarding the steel strings, I don't think you'll have any issues if you use high quality ones.
@@MrDGladiator I have used Cantini's for the last 5 years or so and they do have a great, fat, warm smooth sound. Magnetic pickups also work great with pedals, since they are typically geared for magnetic pick-ups on guitars. Still experimenting with all of this ... to get the best sound palette possible. Here is my rig: ruclips.net/video/q9OBoYS0l0w/видео.html
@@TrevorDick what about Zeta Jazz Fusion, any XP with it? I think it has a more defined sound. You do get an active preamp with Zeta that will lower the impedance so that it can be used with any pedal or mixer without the need of preamp or hi-z input. The only downside is the premium price.
I wonder why EV manufacturers put all their design effort into the instrument body and Zero effort into pick-up design... put a damn P90 or a Humbucker in them. Iff I’d want a violin sound I’d get a violin.
@Redshift313, great point! I agree! T
I turned my NS chin rest around. Works better. I don’t have a pre amp. I like dirt. Blues Harp players play dirty.
Why would you want your electric violin to have a setting to sound like a classical violin? Because you may be a classical violinist who wants to practice quietly late at night while not sounding like Jean Luc Ponty.
Yes, that is one application 👍. T
Why would u *not want 2 sound like JLP..*
Of you can't think of any reason why someone might want an electric violin that CAN sound like an acoustic violin then you have a severely limited imagination.
My imagination is not limited ... I just like using the best tools for the job at hand - to get the very best tone. T
Sorry dude... Big thumbs down... that could have been a really good video... but you just woffled on and after 5 minutes I was skipping forward, and after 3 jumps you were still not getting to the point. So at the 16 minutes mark, I stopped to write you a note... because I was so disappointed... as this video 'could have been so good, and so informative.. I realise they are differant instruments... but you could have told me 'what and why' in 10 minutes.... not 33.23 ...
maybe you sumed it up in the last 10 minutes... but I'll never know....
Hey FWMW, no problem! I understand this video is not (and much too detailed) for many ... but some will want all this detail I went into. I honestly wanted to do each instrument justice and "leave no stone overturned" in this comparison. I also should have used a script for this (too many "umms" and "ahs" etc) ... but it is what it is ... that's why I added the direct links in the description above so that those who want to get right down to the demos can do that :-). Did you see those? Thanks for dropping in and all the best! Trevor
No I did not see those...
but have you sceen this one, The WAV violin in 60 seconds - ruclips.net/video/1Y7Xsy2uB3s/видео.html
they covered it in 60 seconds... I just would have like to see prose and cons for each... that's what I expect in a Comparison video!
and scripts are a good idea... but you could also just edit it, before posting it.
I silt do not think I'd buy either of them, not till I see a good Comparison video...
Cheers #fiddlingwithmywhistle
Yes, I've seen the 1 minute videos ... not enough for me (or most) to make an informed decision on an electric violin. I was going for a much more thorough approach - including dry signal comparison, signal chain I was using, etc. etc. T
Not Just that, but he must have misunderstood the toggle settings or have his wiring messed with. The middle toggle is full signal electric sound. Away from you is acoustic and towards you is pizzicato. Yes, pizzicato also sounds good in the acoustic setting. I hope this resets a new interest in the instrument.
J away from you is pizzicato, Trevor is correct.
Because mics feedback bozo. Also ask electric acoustic guitar players why their unplugged sound sucks.
I am quite aware of that! Not sure what you are referring to in this video, David??? ... and why I sense some animosity here??? T