Having started @ Cape Canaveral/Kennedy, painting launch pads, pipelines, water towers and later doing bridges, water treatment plants, shipyard work, later still houses up to the multi millions, I can attest that my #1 responsibility was protection of the surface and uniform film thickness. So many variables are in play, chemicals, preparation, correct materials, weather, humidity, temperature etc. The average person has No Clue what a good paint job correctly done is worth. Most of the time all they want to know is " Are you done yet"?
I worked on private yachts 25 years ago. They told that yacht paint was the same paint as aircrafts. Awlgrip was the product. Do they use that on aircraft?
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I worked for Dbp for 10 years. Loved it! However if I had to change anything I would have started smaller. Those 767's can take up to two weeks to process. I see little Piper Cherokees and think I could do that by myself in a few days.
Ages ago a friend called me saying he would pay me to help him paint a warehouse. He said it was a 3-4 day job. I walked in and it was HUGE! I said, "How the hell will we get this done and blah blah." He said with THIS: It was a large wand/nozzle for a painter used to paint box cars. It threw about a 5-8 foot wide spray! My only job, all day long, was to keep filling it with gallons of paint while he sprayed it on! ❤
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¡Qué interesante vídeo! Nunca me había detenido a pensar en el proceso de pintado de los aviones y su importancia. Es increíble cómo cada capa de pintura no solo embellece el avión, sino que también lo protege de los elementos y contribuye a su durabilidad. ¡Una lección fascinante sobre un aspecto crucial de la aviación comercial!
Very interesting process. Always thought they make the pieces with the logo and paint scheme already on them when they receive an order and fabricate them.
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175-200K for paint on a $420 MM dollar plane is a drop in the hat. If an airline has 6 flight attendants on a plane their pay + benefits would easily be more. Shocking how labor intensive this is for how little they charge (at least based on this video).
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yup for having 350 employees and 4 facilities that cost millions they only do 35 million a year? so about 140 planes a year. i guess they charge what the going rate is .
The article has several "holes" in it. 1. How can an industry that is supposed to be worth $18 Billion, have such few players, and one of them making sales of only $35 million or so? 2. The Owner that they interviewed, was obviously providing false information, as her company is private. She stated that sales were $35 million, an that they have five huge facilities, and between 300 and 400 employees. From that we can see that would imply that sales are around $100,000 per employee. That is simply unsustainable, even if she only paid her employees $5,000 per year, considering all the farcicalities they maintain, equipment, regulations they have to comply with, etc. This leads us to: 3. It costing $175,000 - $200,000 to paint an airliner. I might almost believe that is just the cost of paint alone, but even then, all the layers, the specialized types of paint they have to use, etc., I believe that this again was false information.
Avgeek here, this is more expensive. At least 500k to 1 mil depending on plane type and livery. Airlines usually order a lot of plans at one time to get huge discounts, giving these companies a lot of planes to paint
The statement was "We are approaching this year, $35M in sales…" You misinterpreted "this year" as "annual sales." At the time the interview was conducted it may have been just month into the calendar or fiscal year. A prejudiced mind is easily led astray.
@@petep.2092 ‘A prejudiced mind is easily led astray’… And after reading your discombobulated post that has multiple assumptions and projections (versus dealing with what was actually said), I could not agree more. Not a single, adult, serious business person on the planet would confuse the first month of a fiscal year with the entire year - as per your speculation. And that is just one hole in all of you hallucinatory post.
The owners ultimately just want to make a lot of profit so that they can thoroughly enjoy their senses. Women, wine, food (meat, caviar, rich food etc.), cars, private jets, yachts, mansions. They don't think what happens after this life. That woman thinks she is happy because she has enjoyed her senses with some men, indulged in wine and food, makeup, luxuries and what not, but has no idea where she will go after her death. In fact she doesn't think about her death seriously. Death is not fun. Think about your afterlife.
6:15 This isn't the reason. The tail isn't painted first beacuse of "balance". Where the actual F did she get that from? That statement is plain wrong.
Probably misinterpreted something somebody told her (or she read somewhere) about the rudder having to be painted separately from the rest of the plane because the rudder *itself* has to be perfectly balanced. It's got nothing to do with the plane tipping over if you paint the wrong part first. But somebody probably just said "it's for balance" and she ran with it.
This is just a small example of how the news media gets something wrong due to a lack of UNDERSTANDING the subject they are reporting on. Understanding can only come with sufficient specialized education in complex subjects like aeronautics, and when people attempt to use common sense to compensate for a lack of that specialized education the result is a flawed understanding based on simplistic knowledge that is easily understood but wrong. Being easily understandable means that the flawed understanding is easily understood by the common people and anything that is easily understood tends to be easily accepted as the truth. That is how the unsuspecting public becomes educated by "plausible nonsense." The phenomenon is stated by the adage: Little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Mark Twain helped explain why it is dangerous: A lie travels halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.
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I will be doing this soon… I been painting cars for 27 years, recently got hired as a contractor to paint aircraft’s for Strom aviation… this will be interesting
getting good employees who care about their physical job and how well they do it is a huge problem these days. people have become so spoiled in america . they all want to be influencers on youtube or work an office job.the mantra is go to college so you don't physically work. i'm sure she thinks highly of her employees she just can't get enough people to do the work. that's what happens when you grow .
It's a "Terrible issue." Yeah, I got the same vibe. That's what happens when you have a job that requires a lot of skill and oversight. You have to actually train your employees and pay them well for their craft if you want to keep them...
Yep that is the correct answer. Dbp services American, Delta, Ups and many other airlines. However 5 facilities is not enough to process not only those fleets but the rest of the airlines.
Correction to the International aerospace coatings mention. The narrator mentions that they have seven locations in the US as well as 2 in Ireland and 1 in the Czech republic. This makes it sound like a US company with foreign bases which it is a bit misleading. This company is Irish, therefore they are headquartered at Shannon airport with a base at Dublin airport along with a base in the Czech republic and seven more in the US.
Nice interesting video. It seems cheap to paint an entire plane for just $175-$200k The one thing that should’ve been edited was the comment “paint job on an airplane is like makeup on a woman, just beautifies it” 7:55 to “paint job on an airplane is like makeup on a woman, it enhances what’s already beautiful.” P.S. I say this because we all know someone is going to get offended over it! 😂 🙄 😚 ❤️ 💄 🥰 💅
Private jet paint jobs range between $100k-$600k+ depending on what the client wants. I’ve made a decent career in extending the longevity of those paint jobs. I do prefer bare metal aircraft when well taken care of
The reason why more money = more workers works every time is because it attracts people who have no inclination to work but do know that money to acquire the things they desire can be obtained in exchange for work and predictably they have not researched the nature of the job or have bought into the fallacy that "Fake it until you make it" actually works. Either they quit as soon as they realize the true nature of the work is not per their expectations or are fired when they don't perform to the employer's expectations. You seem to have missed the context in the video that made it clear that SUITABLE workers are difficult to find-ones that can accept and retain the expensive training and then perform as expected.
My father designed and did the paint booths for boeing in seattle ....we were also asked if we wanted to submit bid to do the soecial lighting on the Internacional space station (48hr battery emergency back up power required) we refised since there was a handfull of companies after that contract🤓
If you could anodize the aluminum surface and eliminate the need to use paint for corrosion protection, you could reduce the aircraft weight and save on fuel costs, and of course, greenhouse gases as a result. Back in the day, American Airlines used to leave their aircraft unpainted with just a few painted accents for just this reason - cost savings.
7:24 Refuel the paint over time? I think this was supposed to be plane overtime right? I had to replay this, because it confused me so much! CNBC usually has good productions, but this one seemed to be a rush job, unfortunately. 😩
There is so little information in this video. Like what kind of paint is used, how is the process cleaned up, why is it expensive besides just the certification, how long does one paint job take. Do some research
For that you need to actually go and read industry reports , I wrote one for Ducker Carlisle , you may read that [ leapmusic is not my real name , I share this ID with my 8 yo music lover lol ]
@@theleapmusic9890Basic rabbit-hole research that I do on different ideas on a weekly basis consists of finding manufacturers and peruse their product support pages. For example, finding industrial printers starts with HP consumer printers then industrial business, then industrial web printers. The reason being that consumer electronics are a volume business that doesn't welcome mistakes and training engineers requires pet projects that a few or one fortune 500 companies can blow millions of r&d on and pay for the mistakes with the crumbs. A basic perusal of Sherwin Williams or ppg pages will announce aviation paint, because those companies need to be easy to find, because those who shop will always present the first result they find.
@@You_are_Right_ yeah. seemed low. one bodyshop i worked at did $1 million a year but after thinking about it.... there were only 5 of us in the shop doing the repairs but 4 in the office and a detailer...10 people=$1,000,000...so the ratio is about right.
Other than a brief sentence or two, you never actually explained how a plane is painted despite the title of your video. Oh, and the 747 is practically extinct as a commercial airliner in the US.
An industry worth $18Bn with a major player having revenues of $35mn. This industry must be quite unconsolidated and spread among small players, interesting.
Has there been any advances in aerospace paint? It adds weight but white reflects heat. It does not seem to have any drag improvement. Stealth paint has little demand.
@@Bruceillest101 I can see Jets removing the paint to save weight and just affixing "stickers" of the airline logo etc. The biggest advance would be a paint that assists in cooling the cryocooled hydrogen in any fuel cell jet engine. I'm amazed we have seen so little research coming from the avian world (bar winglets) into surface skin design to lower drag.
Not paint related but in europe some airliners are experimental with a film called "shark skin" or Aeroshark on top of their liveries. Shark skin claims to reduce drag.
The advances have been mainly in the durability and adhesion of the paint, as both have been affected by the increasing use of composite plastics instead of aluminum. Whereas in the past the paint had to survive long term exposure to the higher level of UV radiation during daytime flight without degradation, now the paint has to also block UV from reaching the epoxy resins that give the structure its strength under compression and hold carbon or glass fibers in place to give the structure its tensile strength. Also, just because we don't see many results showing up as new coatings doesn't mean that research isn't going on. The performance requirements are so severe that few materials can meet all of them better than the current materials, which is why stickers slapped on tend not to work-the material and the adhesive to hold it on are just as easily (if not more) destroyed by UV light as the epoxy surface they need to protect. Additionally, research failures are not advertised as that tends to discourage investors who pay for the research in the hope that it will yield a profitable solution some day. Explaining failures or early announcements of partial success may give competitors enough insight into the technology to come up with a way of overcoming that last stumbling block which enables them to market a successful product without spending so much money on the research. I'm not sure what you mean by stealth paint, but neither the camouflage scheme used to avoid visual detection nor the absorption of radio frequencies to avoid radar detection have any applicability to the civil use of airplanes.
@@petep.2092 I meant that the rare news on aerospace plane paint (,when not peeling on airbus planes in heat) is paint in military that absorbs and/or reflects the radar or cuts infrared heat but as noted has zero commercial demand. Hotter temps in hot zones will require better heat resistant paint. Lighter paint cuts plane weight. Perhaps noise absorbing paint could cut engine reflective noise
I still have questions! 1. How much does all that paint weigh? 2. How does the plane get to the painting company in the first place? Do they have a private airstrip? 3. Wouldn't it be easier for the airplane manufacturer to have an in-house painting crew?
1. Hundreds of pounds after curing (internal parts also have primer). 2. Any major airport hub. An old paint job doesn't make the aircraft unairworthy. 3. Makes it both harder and easier. Paint shops are a nightmare to manage, require expensive infrastructure, have 1000 things that could go wrong, and finding people crazy enough to do the work is nearly impossible.
Air Force One is only the call sign used by an airplane operated by the U.S. Air Force when the POTUS is on board. It is usually a VC-25 (modified Boeing 747), but may also be any other model used to transport the POTUS when the VC-25 is not suitable. AFAIK all the VC-25s and the derivatives of other large jet airplanes have fully painted fuselages. Note that there are also call signs of Marine One, Navy One and Executive One that have been used when other operators transport the POTUS, so you'll have to clarify which one you may be referring to as having "chrome" in its paint scheme.
@@petep.2092 Dude...that's getting seriously pedantic having to tell about the call sign bit. Yes, most everyone here KNOWS that. My use of the term 'air force one' is to reference the 747. (or VC-25 as you point out, but is still essentially the same plane as far as frame and engine style goes) But don't worry about giving any response, I won't see it from you. GOodbye.
@7:00 it shows peeling paint and states that makes the airplane less fuel efficient, the implication was air friction due to the rougher surface. The comment that followed is about fuel inefficiency due to the additional weight of paint.
the short answer to that would be no. the detailed answer would be aircraft bodies are typically made out of aluminum or carbon fiber. The chemicals in the paint are also different compared to the paint on the steel body of your car. Most cars have either one or two coats of paint; commercial airliners typically have up to five. Using automotive paint on airliners would probably result in the paint prematurely wearing or not adhering to the surface. The same could be said for using aircraft paint on cars.
Wouldn't a Black colored airplane be beneficial for planes that are routinely exposed to cold weather (e.g., Antarctica, Canada, Alaska, etc.)? I would think it could help maintain cabin comfort? Also, I've heard that some planes now have ceramic coating, which is commonly seen in the automobiles.
They do, much more so than metal. The epoxy that gives the structure its compressive strength also holds the carbon or glass fibers in place to provide the proper tensile strength and flexibility. While that epoxy doesn't "corrode" by reacting with air or chemicals commonly found in the manufacture or operation of civilian airplanes, it is very sensitive to UV radiation which breaks it down, typically into a brittle substance that easily flakes off to expose deeper layers of the epoxy to UV, which reduces structural strength as explained above. The paint on composite structures thus has a different set of functions to perform. In addition to providing a smooth surface to reduce drag, it must adhere to the particular plastic epoxy that was used in the manufacture of that composite structure and remain so under the large variances in environmental parameters and the combinations thereof that an airplane may encounter on a single flight. Plastics in general are notoriously difficult to adhere to and very sensitive to improper surface preparation at paint application time. In addition it must not only withstand UV radiation to maintain its integrity and adhesion, it must also block the UV from reaching the composite structure it covers. Whereas corrosion on metal exposed to air when the paint peels off takes some time to develop, the damage to epoxy plastic begins immediately on exposure to sunlight and is less detectable, especially if the superficial paint coating remains intact.
These revenue numbers seem off, not the first video with numerical issues. Only 6.7 million for one company? Then dean at 35m and 350 employees is about 100k revenue per employee, which makes no financial sense at all
Design includes functionality. It isn’t about making things look pretty. Therefore choosing white is a design choice. Also get the facts right about painting the tail first.
I’m guessing since the planes are ~7 miles up in the sky, there’s way less of the earth’s atmosphere protecting it so it’s exposed to more UV rays and radiation which breaks down the paint and parts faster vs a plane that’s sitting on the ground. Same reason you’re exposed to more radiation up in a plane because there’s less protection. That’s just me guessing.
As many posters have pointed out she gave false information, (cost to paint a plane, total revenue, etc) as the company is private.. I have worked for private companies and the last thing you want is competition to get an idea of your revenue, etc.
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Even out of production it’s a very popular freighter and it’s so good at that role we’ll see them for 20+ years. I think they used it because it was an expensive plane that many are familiar with.
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This link about the effects of paint (or lack thereof) on basic infrastructure should be the follow up to this vidya ruclips.net/video/M7-7EO3odMg/видео.html
I though Boeing and Airbus are the ones to paint the planes of all their customers before delivery. Either that or thr airline would paint them at their main base.
I used to work for International aerospace coatings and Boeing as a painter, boeing paints all the new 737s out of the factory and the IAC and the other companies repaint them
30 years is too long for any airplane to still be in service. Because of their many parts, corrosion and metal fatige, airplanes are falling out of the skies, wiring failures, engines quit or even fall off, NO. 30 years is really pushing an airlines over the edge, which is many an explanation for so many plane crashes. Something should be done about it.. 20 years is a better age length of service to consider, but airlines are reluctant because new planes would cut into their financial status.
If you understand anything about aviation, airlines simply replace parts. Many lane crashed aren’t bc of age. Almost 50% of all incidents are caused by pilot error. If you still believe this, then why do ww2 era planes from 80 years ago still fly. Why does hundred year old designs such as the piper cub still fly. Plus, large airlines don’t buy planes all the time bc there is no need to. American has a fleet of 961 planes out of which around 200 of them are on the ground at any given moment. There is simply no need to buy new planes for airlines unless u r a budgets airline such as Ryanair
This video completely ignores the effort and cost of engineering the masks used when painting the various layers. If the livery is not properly translated from the airline's concept into the scaling and dimensions that match the particular model and submodel of airplane in the fleet and that assure alignment between layers of paint the result would be garbage. Even the effect of perspective compression due to the curvature of the fuselage has to be compensated for, given that the livery is intended to impress a viewer that is at the same level as the airplane or a few feet above, i.e. viewing it from the airport terminal or when taking off or landing. When viewed from directly above, such compensation may make the livery (especially large text that extends up into the crown area) look comical or aberrant.
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Having started @ Cape Canaveral/Kennedy, painting launch pads, pipelines, water towers and later doing bridges, water treatment plants, shipyard work, later still houses up to the multi millions, I can attest that my #1 responsibility was protection of the surface and uniform film thickness. So many variables are in play, chemicals, preparation, correct materials, weather, humidity, temperature etc. The average person has No Clue what a good paint job correctly done is worth. Most of the time all they want to know is " Are you done yet"?
I worked on private yachts 25 years ago. They told that yacht paint was the same paint as aircrafts. Awlgrip was the product. Do they use that on aircraft?
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Loving all of the aviation videos!!!
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She hit me right in the wookiee when she said "a Galaxy themed plane".
What's a star wars? 😃👍
*Wookiee
@@nickns732 so how many spelling and punctuation errors do you find a day? How much you make for each one you find?
@@jayyoutube8790 It’s a reddit thing. There’s a bot that corrects everyone on the spelling of wookiee, so now I can’t unsee it.
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I do like the chrome unpainted look but understand paint helps with weatherproofing
amazing..I just love these CNBC short documentaries
Might get a job doing paint jobs for a small aviation company, so I checked this video out lol.
I worked for Dbp for 10 years. Loved it! However if I had to change anything I would have started smaller. Those 767's can take up to two weeks to process. I see little Piper Cherokees and think I could do that by myself in a few days.
Ages ago a friend called me saying he would pay me to help him paint a warehouse. He said it was a 3-4 day job. I walked in and it was HUGE! I said, "How the hell will we get this done and blah blah." He said with THIS: It was a large wand/nozzle for a painter used to paint box cars. It threw about a 5-8 foot wide spray! My only job, all day long, was to keep filling it with gallons of paint while he sprayed it on! ❤
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In aviation its a 5 gal pressure bucket
Best job I ever had, miss it so much.
I do kinda like the smell of a freshly painted aircraft, it has a lemony kind of fragrance. And they do look so fine
And cancer lol
¡Qué interesante vídeo! Nunca me había detenido a pensar en el proceso de pintado de los aviones y su importancia. Es increíble cómo cada capa de pintura no solo embellece el avión, sino que también lo protege de los elementos y contribuye a su durabilidad. ¡Una lección fascinante sobre un aspecto crucial de la aviación comercial!
Very interesting process.
Always thought they make the pieces with the logo and paint scheme already on them when they receive an order and fabricate them.
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Me: This 2023, I am so going to fix my life starting by fixing my sleep schedule!
Also me at 3am: HOW IN THE WORLD ARE AIRPLANES PAINTED?
Just wonderful! Start to finish!
175-200K for paint on a $420 MM dollar plane is a drop in the hat. If an airline has 6 flight attendants on a plane their pay + benefits would easily be more. Shocking how labor intensive this is for how little they charge (at least based on this video).
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I'm actually surprised that it doesn't cost more, much more.
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yup for having 350 employees and 4 facilities that cost millions they only do 35 million a year? so about 140 planes a year.
i guess they charge what the going rate is .
The article has several "holes" in it.
1. How can an industry that is supposed to be worth $18 Billion, have such few players, and one of them making sales of only $35 million or so?
2. The Owner that they interviewed, was obviously providing false information, as her company is private. She stated that sales were $35 million, an that they have five huge facilities, and between 300 and 400 employees. From that we can see that would imply that sales are around $100,000 per employee. That is simply unsustainable, even if she only paid her employees $5,000 per year, considering all the farcicalities they maintain, equipment, regulations they have to comply with, etc.
This leads us to:
3. It costing $175,000 - $200,000 to paint an airliner. I might almost believe that is just the cost of paint alone, but even then, all the layers, the specialized types of paint they have to use, etc., I believe that this again was false information.
Avgeek here, this is more expensive. At least 500k to 1 mil depending on plane type and livery. Airlines usually order a lot of plans at one time to get huge discounts, giving these companies a lot of planes to paint
The statement was "We are approaching this year, $35M in sales…" You misinterpreted "this year" as "annual sales." At the time the interview was conducted it may have been just month into the calendar or fiscal year. A prejudiced mind is easily led astray.
@@petep.2092 ‘A prejudiced mind is easily led astray’…
And after reading your discombobulated post that has multiple assumptions and projections (versus dealing with what was actually said), I could not agree more.
Not a single, adult, serious business person on the planet would confuse the first month of a fiscal year with the entire year - as per your speculation. And that is just one hole in all of you hallucinatory post.
The owners ultimately just want to make a lot of profit so that they can thoroughly enjoy their senses. Women, wine, food (meat, caviar, rich food etc.), cars, private jets, yachts, mansions. They don't think what happens after this life. That woman thinks she is happy because she has enjoyed her senses with some men, indulged in wine and food, makeup, luxuries and what not, but has no idea where she will go after her death. In fact she doesn't think about her death seriously. Death is not fun. Think about your afterlife.
Great vid.. awesome industry
Humongous effort made it done
6:15 This isn't the reason. The tail isn't painted first beacuse of "balance". Where the actual F did she get that from? That statement is plain wrong.
Probably misinterpreted something somebody told her (or she read somewhere) about the rudder having to be painted separately from the rest of the plane because the rudder *itself* has to be perfectly balanced. It's got nothing to do with the plane tipping over if you paint the wrong part first. But somebody probably just said "it's for balance" and she ran with it.
This is just a small example of how the news media gets something wrong due to a lack of UNDERSTANDING the subject they are reporting on. Understanding can only come with sufficient specialized education in complex subjects like aeronautics, and when people attempt to use common sense to compensate for a lack of that specialized education the result is a flawed understanding based on simplistic knowledge that is easily understood but wrong. Being easily understandable means that the flawed understanding is easily understood by the common people and anything that is easily understood tends to be easily accepted as the truth. That is how the unsuspecting public becomes educated by "plausible nonsense." The phenomenon is stated by the adage: Little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Mark Twain helped explain why it is dangerous: A lie travels halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.
I still like the bare-metal finish of the old American livery. I'm sure mechanics and inspectors loved it too.
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I'll bet they didn't like the corrosion.
@@BixbyConsequence The planes were actually polished, hence the shiny exterior with little corrosion.
Having worked on aircraft 321 for months it’s kinda crazy seeing it stripped of its paint down to the metal
I remember AA said they didn’t want to waste money on paint. Look at them now.😊
Interesting Stuff...
I will be doing this soon… I been painting cars for 27 years, recently got hired as a contractor to paint aircraft’s for Strom aviation… this will be interesting
That CEO gave me the vibe she doesn't think much of her employees. "It's a problem."
getting good employees who care about their physical job and how well they do it is a huge problem these days. people have become so spoiled in america . they all want to be influencers on youtube or work an office job.the mantra is go to college so you don't physically work. i'm sure she thinks highly of her employees she just can't get enough people to do the work. that's what happens when you grow .
It's a "Terrible issue."
Yeah, I got the same vibe. That's what happens when you have a job that requires a lot of skill and oversight. You have to actually train your employees and pay them well for their craft if you want to keep them...
It's very hard work for the pay that's being offered.
1:23 The global aviation paint market is estimated at $18.5B and the biggest paint company revenue is only $35m? I'm totally confused...🤔🤔🤔
Simple : there are 400,000 companies that paint large airliners, this one is just the largest……/s
Yep that is the correct answer. Dbp services American, Delta, Ups and many other airlines. However 5 facilities is not enough to process not only those fleets but the rest of the airlines.
Correction to the International aerospace coatings mention.
The narrator mentions that they have seven locations in the US as well as 2 in Ireland and 1 in the Czech republic.
This makes it sound like a US company with foreign bases which it is a bit misleading.
This company is Irish, therefore they are headquartered at Shannon airport with a base at Dublin airport along with a base in the Czech republic and seven more in the US.
Very interesting documentary
1:37 That's one big painters tape roll, look at the size of it 😆
Nice interesting video. It seems cheap to paint an entire plane for just $175-$200k
The one thing that should’ve been edited was the comment “paint job on an airplane is like makeup on a woman, just beautifies it” 7:55 to “paint job on an airplane is like makeup on a woman, it enhances what’s already beautiful.”
P.S. I say this because we all know someone is going to get offended over it! 😂 🙄 😚 ❤️ 💄 🥰 💅
Private jet paint jobs range between $100k-$600k+ depending on what the client wants. I’ve made a decent career in extending the longevity of those paint jobs. I do prefer bare metal aircraft when well taken care of
Yeah, watch some of these ridiculous car restoration shows and see people paying half that much to paint yet another 70 Chevelle "SS".
these seemed more like an ad for Dean Baldwin
To get more workers pay more money. This works every time.
More money doesn't automatically equate to quality work.
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I specifically said it gets more workers. It’s up to the organization to get whatever quality work they need once the hire workers.
you don't know anything about running a company that does physical work.
The reason why more money = more workers works every time is because it attracts people who have no inclination to work but do know that money to acquire the things they desire can be obtained in exchange for work and predictably they have not researched the nature of the job or have bought into the fallacy that "Fake it until you make it" actually works. Either they quit as soon as they realize the true nature of the work is not per their expectations or are fired when they don't perform to the employer's expectations. You seem to have missed the context in the video that made it clear that SUITABLE workers are difficult to find-ones that can accept and retain the expensive training and then perform as expected.
My father designed and did the paint booths for boeing in seattle ....we were also asked if we wanted to submit bid to do the soecial lighting on the Internacional space station (48hr battery emergency back up power required) we refised since there was a handfull of companies after that contract🤓
If you could anodize the aluminum surface and eliminate the need to use paint for corrosion protection, you could reduce the aircraft weight and save on fuel costs, and of course, greenhouse gases as a result. Back in the day, American Airlines used to leave their aircraft unpainted with just a few painted accents for just this reason - cost savings.
There seemed to be a lot errors in numbers in this video.
7:24 Refuel the paint over time? I think this was supposed to be plane overtime right? I had to replay this, because it confused me so much! CNBC usually has good productions, but this one seemed to be a rush job, unfortunately. 😩
There is so little information in this video. Like what kind of paint is used, how is the process cleaned up, why is it expensive besides just the certification, how long does one paint job take. Do some research
For that you need to actually go and read industry reports , I wrote one for Ducker Carlisle , you may read that [ leapmusic is not my real name , I share this ID with my 8 yo music lover lol ]
@@theleapmusic9890Basic rabbit-hole research that I do on different ideas on a weekly basis consists of finding manufacturers and peruse their product support pages. For example, finding industrial printers starts with HP consumer printers then industrial business, then industrial web printers. The reason being that consumer electronics are a volume business that doesn't welcome mistakes and training engineers requires pet projects that a few or one fortune 500 companies can blow millions of r&d on and pay for the mistakes with the crumbs.
A basic perusal of Sherwin Williams or ppg pages will announce aviation paint, because those companies need to be easy to find, because those who shop will always present the first result they find.
Only 35m in sales!? Figured it would be a lot more. Especially with 350 or so employees.
Yeah, I was surprised that the cost is only around $200,000 per aircraft.
That’s only $100K in revenue per employee - which seems low considering the overhead costs to have such massive facilities
@@u-safe6093 exactly!
@@MattTee1975 very true
@@You_are_Right_ yeah. seemed low. one bodyshop i worked at did $1 million a year but after thinking about it.... there were only 5 of us in the shop doing the repairs but 4 in the office and a detailer...10 people=$1,000,000...so the ratio is about right.
Wish delta came out with more in your face livery’s
Other than a brief sentence or two, you never actually explained how a plane is painted despite the title of your video. Oh, and the 747 is practically extinct as a commercial airliner in the US.
only 35 million in sales for over 300 employees? wow that's low . lots of labor.
As someone who is an aircraft painter currently at Boeing….. you don’t even want to know lol
Hey how can I become a painter for Boeing? Is it good career?
@@SRC503 I’m in Seattle do you have paint experience?
Wonder if she made a mistake and meant 35 million in profit and not in sales. Would make more sense.
An industry worth $18Bn with a major player having revenues of $35mn.
This industry must be quite unconsolidated and spread among small players, interesting.
Who here remembers the Shamoo planes?
American Airlines have a nice looking paint scheme… it looks like white pearl…
Has there been any advances in aerospace paint? It adds weight but white reflects heat. It does not seem to have any drag improvement. Stealth paint has little demand.
Just polish the paint
@@Bruceillest101 I can see Jets removing the paint to save weight and just affixing "stickers" of the airline logo etc. The biggest advance would be a paint that assists in cooling the cryocooled hydrogen in any fuel cell jet engine. I'm amazed we have seen so little research coming from the avian world (bar winglets) into surface skin design to lower drag.
Not paint related but in europe some airliners are experimental with a film called "shark skin" or Aeroshark on top of their liveries. Shark skin claims to reduce drag.
The advances have been mainly in the durability and adhesion of the paint, as both have been affected by the increasing use of composite plastics instead of aluminum. Whereas in the past the paint had to survive long term exposure to the higher level of UV radiation during daytime flight without degradation, now the paint has to also block UV from reaching the epoxy resins that give the structure its strength under compression and hold carbon or glass fibers in place to give the structure its tensile strength. Also, just because we don't see many results showing up as new coatings doesn't mean that research isn't going on. The performance requirements are so severe that few materials can meet all of them better than the current materials, which is why stickers slapped on tend not to work-the material and the adhesive to hold it on are just as easily (if not more) destroyed by UV light as the epoxy surface they need to protect. Additionally, research failures are not advertised as that tends to discourage investors who pay for the research in the hope that it will yield a profitable solution some day. Explaining failures or early announcements of partial success may give competitors enough insight into the technology to come up with a way of overcoming that last stumbling block which enables them to market a successful product without spending so much money on the research. I'm not sure what you mean by stealth paint, but neither the camouflage scheme used to avoid visual detection nor the absorption of radio frequencies to avoid radar detection have any applicability to the civil use of airplanes.
@@petep.2092 I meant that the rare news on aerospace plane paint (,when not peeling on airbus planes in heat) is paint in military that absorbs and/or reflects the radar or cuts infrared heat but as noted has zero commercial demand. Hotter temps in hot zones will require better heat resistant paint. Lighter paint cuts plane weight. Perhaps noise absorbing paint could cut engine reflective noise
I still have questions!
1. How much does all that paint weigh?
2. How does the plane get to the painting company in the first place? Do they have a private airstrip?
3. Wouldn't it be easier for the airplane manufacturer to have an in-house painting crew?
1. Hundreds of pounds after curing (internal parts also have primer). 2. Any major airport hub. An old paint job doesn't make the aircraft unairworthy. 3. Makes it both harder and easier. Paint shops are a nightmare to manage, require expensive infrastructure, have 1000 things that could go wrong, and finding people crazy enough to do the work is nearly impossible.
Was thinking about the sameting with your second question
@@modelenginerding6996 😂 as a manager of a paint shop I couldn’t agree more with #3!
swear i love my job
painting those chemtrail planes
so is air force one one of the last jets to still maintain chrome as part of it's paint job?
Air Force One is only the call sign used by an airplane operated by the U.S. Air Force when the POTUS is on board. It is usually a VC-25 (modified Boeing 747), but may also be any other model used to transport the POTUS when the VC-25 is not suitable. AFAIK all the VC-25s and the derivatives of other large jet airplanes have fully painted fuselages. Note that there are also call signs of Marine One, Navy One and Executive One that have been used when other operators transport the POTUS, so you'll have to clarify which one you may be referring to as having "chrome" in its paint scheme.
@@petep.2092 Dude...that's getting seriously pedantic having to tell about the call sign bit. Yes, most everyone here KNOWS that. My use of the term 'air force one' is to reference the 747. (or VC-25 as you point out, but is still essentially the same plane as far as frame and engine style goes)
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The doc did not mention WIND RESISTANCE, did it? Lower air friction against the paint/body is very important.
@7:00 it shows peeling paint and states that makes the airplane less fuel efficient, the implication was air friction due to the rougher surface. The comment that followed is about fuel inefficiency due to the additional weight of paint.
“The average price of a 747, a popular commercial airliner”……. yeah in 1970
Strippers?! Ok that’s why it’s so expensive
Question: Do planes use the same type of paint as cars and boats?
the short answer to that would be no.
the detailed answer would be aircraft bodies are typically made out of aluminum or carbon fiber. The chemicals in the paint are also different compared to the paint on the steel body of your car. Most cars have either one or two coats of paint; commercial airliners typically have up to five. Using automotive paint on airliners would probably result in the paint prematurely wearing or not adhering to the surface. The same could be said for using aircraft paint on cars.
No. Google International Paint.
Wouldnt exactly classify the 74 as a popular commercial aircraft. There's like none left.
The aircraft painting industry is going to expand over 3 times in the next five years? Is CNBC using that new math to figure that out?
Wouldn't a Black colored airplane be beneficial for planes that are routinely exposed to cold weather (e.g., Antarctica, Canada, Alaska, etc.)? I would think it could help maintain cabin comfort?
Also, I've heard that some planes now have ceramic coating, which is commonly seen in the automobiles.
seems not . most planes fly all over so may go from cold to hot. and also most places are not cold all the time.
CATHAY PACIIC.
She implied that women without makeup are ugly.
Not sure if composite carbon fibre surfaces require paint.
They do, much more so than metal. The epoxy that gives the structure its compressive strength also holds the carbon or glass fibers in place to provide the proper tensile strength and flexibility. While that epoxy doesn't "corrode" by reacting with air or chemicals commonly found in the manufacture or operation of civilian airplanes, it is very sensitive to UV radiation which breaks it down, typically into a brittle substance that easily flakes off to expose deeper layers of the epoxy to UV, which reduces structural strength as explained above. The paint on composite structures thus has a different set of functions to perform. In addition to providing a smooth surface to reduce drag, it must adhere to the particular plastic epoxy that was used in the manufacture of that composite structure and remain so under the large variances in environmental parameters and the combinations thereof that an airplane may encounter on a single flight. Plastics in general are notoriously difficult to adhere to and very sensitive to improper surface preparation at paint application time. In addition it must not only withstand UV radiation to maintain its integrity and adhesion, it must also block the UV from reaching the composite structure it covers. Whereas corrosion on metal exposed to air when the paint peels off takes some time to develop, the damage to epoxy plastic begins immediately on exposure to sunlight and is less detectable, especially if the superficial paint coating remains intact.
Is this the industry that uses glitter in the paint but hides it from everyone?
Who can show me how to make this paint?
These revenue numbers seem off, not the first video with numerical issues. Only 6.7 million for one company?
Then dean at 35m and 350 employees is about 100k revenue per employee, which makes no financial sense at all
I personally enjoyed the throwaway comment early on that an estimated $18B industry will somehow manage to grow to 60+ by 2027.
In quite a few states, a 40k USD salary used to be a reasonable income,and planes can be painted in lower wage countries like Mexico
7:22 More cost to refuel the paint......whoops!
Design includes functionality. It isn’t about making things look pretty. Therefore choosing white is a design choice. Also get the facts right about painting the tail first.
Do you hired other nationality like filipinos
Great report What’s with the sorry music
Thank goodness no one pluralized the word aircraft incorrectly.
How does a solar radiation affects the aircraft's body?
I’m guessing since the planes are ~7 miles up in the sky, there’s way less of the earth’s atmosphere protecting it so it’s exposed to more UV rays and radiation which breaks down the paint and parts faster vs a plane that’s sitting on the ground. Same reason you’re exposed to more radiation up in a plane because there’s less protection. That’s just me guessing.
Omg msnbc finally reporting something good instead of left biased opinions. If they keep it up I MIGHT (low chance) re subscribe.
Wonder how much sandpaper they go through.
As many posters have pointed out she gave false information, (cost to paint a plane, total revenue, etc) as the company is private..
I have worked for private companies and the last thing you want is competition to get an idea of your revenue, etc.
I didn’t know the weight of paint can affect the center of gravity, maybe that was a way far too exaggeration
I like the slogan since she is a woman...paint to an airplane is like make on a woman. It just beautifies it.
Did you notice how a woman married in to the company and then took it over?
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Paint is added weight. Costs gas and that is passed onto customers. American Airlines knows this
how? paint is sprayed on airplane
They use a special type of paint that is weatherproof, which is not the one Used on cars. Planes are painted with about 5 layers of paint
When did CNBC become Wendover Productions?
“Largest market for airplane painting is North America”
Literally only shows the US 😂
They should re paint cars the same way
I've heard that planes are painted white for aerodynamic reasons too, is this true?
No. Just like on cars white will hide more imperfections and how dirty the surface is vs a darker color. It also helps keep the cabin cooler.
The 747 isn't a "popular" aircraft anymore.
Even out of production it’s a very popular freighter and it’s so good at that role we’ll see them for 20+ years. I think they used it because it was an expensive plane that many are familiar with.
It’s not even in service anymore. Airline journalist my ass
@@williamerazo3921 True but it will be around for years in a cargo capacity. Those are not going anywhere for 20-30 years.
This, 2 days after CNBC releases "The rise and fall of the 747" video
@@Taz1451 Well, the 737 was introduced in 1968, so maybe tone down the rhetoric and stick to facts
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i know a bunch of painters... but some ppl dontlike them.... and apperantly they dont like me....hmmm.... i guess will be just a bunch of #airplanes not #flying ....my little #town
This link about the effects of paint (or lack thereof) on basic infrastructure should be the follow up to this vidya
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I though Boeing and Airbus are the ones to paint the planes of all their customers before delivery. Either that or thr airline would paint them at their main base.
I used to work for International aerospace coatings and Boeing as a painter, boeing paints all the new 737s out of the factory and the IAC and the other companies repaint them
Bidding wars must be competitive because ~$200K to paint the entire plane seems very cheap.
Painting a car is a PITA, I can't imma gine painting and airplane.
Her ex husband is kicking himself. This lady is made of $$
Interesting but skip that background "music", PLS
30 years is too long for any airplane to still be in service. Because of their many parts, corrosion and metal fatige, airplanes are falling out of the skies, wiring failures, engines quit or even fall off, NO. 30 years is really pushing an airlines over the edge, which is many an explanation for so many plane crashes. Something should be done about it.. 20 years is a better age length of service to consider, but airlines are reluctant because new planes would cut into their financial status.
If you understand anything about aviation, airlines simply replace parts. Many lane crashed aren’t bc of age. Almost 50% of all incidents are caused by pilot error. If you still believe this, then why do ww2 era planes from 80 years ago still fly. Why does hundred year old designs such as the piper cub still fly. Plus, large airlines don’t buy planes all the time bc there is no need to. American has a fleet of 961 planes out of which around 200 of them are on the ground at any given moment. There is simply no need to buy new planes for airlines unless u r a budgets airline such as Ryanair
Now Airbus should see this why Qatar Airways sued them for A350s paint issues...
Who is the dumb ex husband who gave away his dad’s company
That lady is SHARP
Not sure we needed that background music but it’s wayyyy to loud
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This video completely ignores the effort and cost of engineering the masks used when painting the various layers. If the livery is not properly translated from the airline's concept into the scaling and dimensions that match the particular model and submodel of airplane in the fleet and that assure alignment between layers of paint the result would be garbage. Even the effect of perspective compression due to the curvature of the fuselage has to be compensated for, given that the livery is intended to impress a viewer that is at the same level as the airplane or a few feet above, i.e. viewing it from the airport terminal or when taking off or landing. When viewed from directly above, such compensation may make the livery (especially large text that extends up into the crown area) look comical or aberrant.
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The music is annoying!
Yep their music is almost always too loud and irritating/ distracting when trying to listen to the narration.
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USA is not the only country in North America, Hawaii isn't even a part of it. Map is a fail