I bought my Merc 250 ProXS from Toby. This was in 21 and they had one left. He was awesome to deal with and gave me a great price when he could have marked it up and told me to pound sand. Toby really appreciate it!
Bought a Ranger tin boat from Toby last year. Solid guy all around. The Mercury blew the power head once already, but Jet-A ,marine took good care of me and got it squared away quickly.
Been running a ranger since 2010, I needed a chrome bezel for one of my bilge outlets. Call ranger and they acted like I bought to boat yesterday. Some of the best customer service I’ve ever experienced.
I've had a problem with White River and warranty work. My Ranger RT 188P has no bow lift and doesn't come close to the advertised top speed! The CS department response was like they could care less. They wouldn't believe my dealer's service department either.
The fishing industry as a whole has priced it self to the edge of extinction 100,000 + boat's 500,00 rods ,700,00 reels, insanely priced electronics ECT with the economy that's in our future I can't imagine it being around for long nobody's going to afford it it's sad but true
I have a Ranger Tin boat. I bought it new in 2021. Right off the bat I get a certified letter from Ranger that I had to go to the post office to sign for. It involved the gas refill intake on the back of the boat that was defective and for me to take it to any Ranger dealer and they had new parts to fix it. Well, I went to my selling dealer and the service manager said he got an e-mail about it from Ranger. to cut to the chase and after several e=mails from the dealer I got the new refill kit in 6 MONTHS. after they installed it, it was no better than the one that came with the boat. It would take 20 minutes to pump 3 gallon of gas in the boat. It still is an issue. Another thing that bothered us the boat would take on water. I am talking 2 gallon of water once you pulled the plug after loading the boat. We tried and tried to figure out where the water was coming from with no luck. We drove 90 miles to our selling dealer and left it the for a water test. They called use after 1 week and said they found the problem and it is fixed. And it was. When they built the boat they forgot to seal the back of the boat where the top deck is bonded to the hull. They forgot to seal the seam where the two meet. Water was coming up the back of the boat and leaking down into the bottom. When I pulled the plug, all this water would run out. All of this was under warranty. We really enjoy the boat and glad it was finally fixed. It is much heavier that the 2 tracker boats I had. Same style and length. Same 69 hp. The quality is better but so is the price. It was worth it. honestly, I can now say I look forward to every fishing trip.
I went through 2 Ranger 1880 Anglers before I got rid of it. Gel coat was cracking before they touched the water. Fit and finish was 10x worse than my Alumacraft. They did stand behind their product but quite the headache for 2 years.
Mercury is actually located in Brownsburg Indiana, west of Indy. Less than a mile from my house. HUGE building , I have a hard time believing the slow down for them will continue. I think maybe what you are seeing is the time it has taken to move everything to new location?
Aluminum boats have gotten more popular or a lot of reasons. The biggest reason is how much nicer and better they have gotten, which puts more eyes on them. Boats in general have gotten more expensive and with that people look for cheaper options. You also have the fact that aside from aluminum boats typically having a smaller motor for the same size boat as their glass counterpart, you can rig these modern aluminum boats the same way you rig your glass boat. Locker layouts are similar to glass. You can run what ever graphs you want at the console and bow. So I own a Phoenix 920 Elite, but last spring I went and picked up a Vexus AVX1980 just as they rolled out the new models with the thicker hulls. I wanted something lighter that I could yank to different states and fish unfamiliar bodies of water with out so much concern of the boat being beat up a bit. I knew the Vexus boats were premium when it came to aluminum bass boats, but I never knew just how nice they were until I started fishing the thing. Is it as good as my Phoenix? No its not, but would I be unhappy if the 1980 was all I had. Absolutely not
Owned 2021 Nitro Z19 Pro one issue, 2022 Ranger 520R one issue all taken care of immediately. Zero issues with either Mercury but the 200 had the best fuel mileage. I would never have owned a Ranger Boat until the R series, that is what I thought of them, never would have boat a Nitro until 2021 and they keep getting better.
I wish you would have asked him if or when White River was going to build a tin boat that would handle the 200 or 250 motors. I looked into them around 2010 when Ranger and Triton started building their tins and the sales guy told me he didn't think Ranger would ever build one to even use the 150. But of course now both Ranger and Tracker are doing it. Just checked local dealer today and they had a new Ranger 19 tin with 150 Merc. Problem was it was almost as much as their Triton 18 glass with a 200! No substitute for horsepower! Love this video Andy! Keep them coming.
It’s called a “Fucht”. That’s what I called the one I owned for 18 yrs. Ended up being a fairly reliable motor that I put 400 hrs on and only suffered from operator error.
I have a 2021 tracker proteam 175, great boat, but they installed the drivers console with 2 long bolts with no nuts, vibration cause the console to come off on the highway. Selling it and buying a new ranger hopefully they put pride in the rangers.
I love hearing at the 12:00ish mark yall talking about the tin boats. I find it funny because of how chincy and flimsy the box store tin boats are, but down in Louisiana and other places where the toughest boats are always built out of aluminum. The difference is mass production, cheap ass aluminum, slapped together vs a high quality tin built like a Gator Trax. I said it. Hammer down !!!! I'll run any of those big water chops yall talking about and I don't back down for shit. But there's a night and day difference in a GT vs a ranger or bass tracker aluminum boat.
The difference is the thickness of the aluminum. The thickest aluminum most of these aluminum boat manufacturers want to use is .080". Then they just stack two pieces together for the bow section on some boats. Part of it is equipment limitations and workability but most of it comes right down to money.
@@sdvten I hear you on the it comes down to money. The 16ft boat I got is 40 years old, the manufacturer; LifeTimer (Duncan, BC) is still making the "same" boat today, they're 20k+. I think you get what you pay for.
Dude I have to give you props, My bad a should’ve watched the whole video before commenting, If I heard you correct you said the first generation FICHTS was a descent motor that would last.👍👍I know you don’t like OMC’s, Believe me I would love to re-power my boat with a Suzuki 150. Just not in the budget right now. Big fan of the show keep up the good work,
I had a 2020 Ranger vx1788wt that was the biggest POS boat I've ever owned.. Parts were welded in crooked, fasteners coming loose, leaks, paint falling off, performance issues due to setup. It went back to the factory twice. It was a joke. Now I have a 2022 Lund Tyee and I've had zero issues with it.
what happend to the cheap small boats? way better than a jet ski! i had a 87 13ft checkmate! my friends had the whalers etc. i have a 15.5 viper. 2005 150 xr6.
No complaints with the ranger or bass tracker tin rigs, when used for what they're intended for.... just hold them to the warranty work and get the bugs worked out as fast as possible. Then take it for what it is: a decent quality, low entry cost, light weight option for being on the water.
I ran a 2018 Nitro z20 for almost 4 years. Zero complaints about the boat. Zero issues. Great platform. Only issues I had were mercury related. And if I had a complaint, it would’ve been the ride. It was a little rough. Traded that boat in on my current 2022 Skeeter zxr20 after my merc let go for a second time. New Zxr ride is night and day better, but there are some features I miss from my nitro.
I'm running a 2022 grizzly 1648sc 50hp Merc I purchased brand new in 22 love the boat no complaints it was comfortably affordable and puts me and my kids on the lake fishing and enjoying the water it runs 37 mph wot which works for me they should however offer a fishing package with trolling motor and fish finders and seats. I just added it all myself
My Nitro Z18 is 4 years old now, and it’s bulletproof. I fished it for four tournament seasons, and now my 15 yo son is using it for his high school league, and im fishing an FXR21.
Let’s be honest!! We as as work force are not going to be able to afford these 80 plus thousand boats even the tin boats are getting expensive! You will have a few big dealers that will survive but we will lose tons of smaller dealers ships!! But you will do great !! Because they will be more an more older boats being patched on instead of having to make choice to live in a trailers to buy a 100 grand boat or have an old used boat an a very nice house to live. It’s coming mark my word the market will shrink. It’s just the way the economy is going. When I fish I see very, very few new boats.
I buy used, you can get a great used boat for 7-10k . Like Harley’s, there are a bunch of garage queens out there and the owners outfitted them with upgrades that would cost a fortune if you had to buy them new.
I would have to disagree with you on the durability of aluminum boats. There’s a reason the vast majority don’t run fiberglass in the land of 10k lakes and into Canada. An aluminum hull is much more durable than a fiberglass one.
2022 ranger 519c has been in the shop for 3 months total so far getting gel coat issues fixed. just splashed it on July 4 after owning 10 months. now found out the fuel gauge doesn't on it????
My dad has a 2021 ranger z521L I have a 2023 ranger z185 both great boats I don’t think the quality of the boats have went down every boats is going to have issues it’s the customer service that has went down from what used to be great to ok
I have a 19 982 nitro TF 170 with a Johnson high I’ll put 90 love the boat motor matter what I do basically doesn’t start and run word for shit every year it runs, but would you take it in the water and try to get it up on plane basically falls on his face so he could have the carbs cleaned or boiled or whatever you know how to get them to work
This is because the industry has a failing business plan . It still is trying to be NASCAR on the water and guess what NASCAR cant even be NASCAR anymore....
I just don't get why the aluminium market doesn't collapse. Years ago I guess the "first boat buyer" thing was valid but prices have gone up proportionally faster than glass rigs. The average one (tracker, ranger, lund ect) are narrow, terrible storage, ugly, and going to be mid five figures. I've never seen one I'd prefer to my 24 year old glass rig and I hate my glass rig. It would be a toss up between a brand new ranger aluminum and my 73 Chrysler BassRunner that was my first boat. Do your homework and find a good used glass rig and leave aluminum for soda cans
Not trying to disagree with your guest. He has his reasons for talking good about the products he sells. Ranger is not as good of a boat as it used to be. When Johnny took over Ranger he deliberately cut quality to make more money. They aren’t terrible boats. Just not as good as they used to be. Appreciate your show as always.
Do any of you own a Ranger boat? The R series had lose seat issue and warped rear lid issue. Zero wiring, Zero finish issues. The junk you referred to was pre Johnny Morris days called Genmar
I own an older Ranger Z21. I have looked at the brand new Rangers and their fit and finish is very good. I have dived into the wiring and it looks very good as well. Quit being a Johnny hater. He has done more for the industry and conservation than all of the other owner groups combined.
Been trying to get a mid section for a 2019 250 pro xs for about 2 months. Backorders are crazy! If anybody knows a dealer thay has one in stock please reply to me!
I loved Johnsons especially the Fast Strikes. When I was young my dad had a 92 19ft Nitro with a 175 Fast Strike. That boat would flat out fly. It would walk Merc 200's all day long on Chicamauga Lake. That speedo would come up and touch 74mph then it chine walked so bad you were off the throttle lol. Started good ran like a raped ape but my god it gulped fuel lol
Interest rates are really killing all the fun. LOL! Do you actually think a white river exclusive dealer is going to say their quality isn't good?! Nitro sells because of price...same with tin boats. Toby seems like a great dude, but please please wear some sunscreen! Want a well built big and fast boat... Get a puma sts. As for power pole... Customer service is awesome. Just sent me a new power pole shroud this week... No questions asked and quick shipping.
The main reason I’m not a Yamaha dealer is they want me to be a stocking dealer with a showroom. I don’t have the want, need or the space in my shop for that. Suzuki doesn’t care nor force that upon their dealers
Ranger parts department is atrocious. They don't have a website where customers can self serve, you have to call in and hope you get matched with someone who knows what the hell they're talking about. Their part numbers are pulled out of thin air, they refuse to provide the actual manufacture part number so you can source parts from mfg instead of Ranger.
OK gonna half to call in a great Big BULLDOOKIE on the Ranger being the same Quality since 2008!!! Johny bought Ranger and literally TOLD the employees this is how we're going to cut corners which is the same exact way he's been running Mako Boats since he acquired them, and we all KNOW how riddled with absurd issues those beautifully and flawlessly designed boats are. Compartment lids cracking when stepped on and upon inspection the fiberglass inside the sandwiched gelcoat is completely raw with absolutly ZERO RESIN inside!!! Just go to your local Bass Pro Shops and look around the top shelves int he service department and you'll likely see a bunch of lids sitting around. And kudos to Ranger employees for literally quitting rather than build such an inferior product! Nitro Boats are no different than Rangers in terms of build practices and ultimately quality "or lack there of", but the flaws in craftsmanship would be far more easily identified by running them in saltwater which has zero mercy on anything. Prices have leveled off because people seem to have come to their senses and have collectively decided too much is too much. And as stated, the absurd interest rates makes it that much dumber to commit to a mortgage payment on a luxury item that depreciates faster than anything you can spend your money on.
No quality issues on Rangers?? Either this guy is delusional or he's scared. He might get fired for speaking the truth. Hey you wanna talk about Ranger and Tracker trailers???
You guys and your workers are simply hilarious. It's amazing how much wisdom we get watching the two of you. I wonder if the common man understands
Why is this guy bundled up like its 40 degrees when Andy is on Shorts? LOL
😂 dude must live on the sun to be wearing all that
Andy’s a badass probably, Wisco tough lol. But yes why is that guys bundled up in a simms Bulkley jacket lol. Too funny
@@kylevodden19 and sunburned...lol
Got chilled from that sunburn 😂
Probably has a Phoenix shirt on. Lol
I bought my Merc 250 ProXS from Toby. This was in 21 and they had one left. He was awesome to deal with and gave me a great price when he could have marked it up and told me to pound sand. Toby really appreciate it!
The sunglass tan is out of control
Great to to see Toby, great guy.
Bought a Ranger tin boat from Toby last year. Solid guy all around. The Mercury blew the power head once already, but Jet-A ,marine took good care of me and got it squared away quickly.
Been running a ranger since 2010, I needed a chrome bezel for one of my bilge outlets. Call ranger and they acted like I bought to boat yesterday. Some of the best customer service I’ve ever experienced.
I've had a problem with White River and warranty work. My Ranger RT 188P has no bow lift and doesn't come close to the advertised top speed! The CS department response was like they could care less. They wouldn't believe my dealer's service department either.
The fishing industry as a whole has priced it self to the edge of extinction 100,000 + boat's 500,00 rods ,700,00 reels, insanely priced electronics ECT with the economy that's in our future I can't imagine it being around for long nobody's going to afford it it's sad but true
I have a Ranger Tin boat. I bought it new in 2021. Right off the bat I get a certified letter from Ranger that I had to go to the post office to sign for. It involved the gas refill intake on the back of the boat that was defective and for me to take it to any Ranger dealer and they had new parts to fix it. Well, I went to my selling dealer and the service manager said he got an e-mail about it from Ranger. to cut to the chase and after several e=mails from the dealer I got the new refill kit in 6 MONTHS. after they installed it, it was no better than the one that came with the boat. It would take 20 minutes to pump 3 gallon of gas in the boat. It still is an issue. Another thing that bothered us the boat would take on water. I am talking 2 gallon of water once you pulled the plug after loading the boat. We tried and tried to figure out where the water was coming from with no luck. We drove 90 miles to our selling dealer and left it the for a water test. They called use after 1 week and said they found the problem and it is fixed. And it was. When they built the boat they forgot to seal the back of the boat where the top deck is bonded to the hull. They forgot to seal the seam where the two meet. Water was coming up the back of the boat and leaking down into the bottom. When I pulled the plug, all this water would run out. All of this was under warranty. We really enjoy the boat and glad it was finally fixed. It is much heavier that the 2 tracker boats I had. Same style and length. Same 69 hp. The quality is better but so is the price. It was worth it. honestly, I can now say I look forward to every fishing trip.
These guys saved my butt while fishing up their way. Great service crew!
I went through 2 Ranger 1880 Anglers before I got rid of it. Gel coat was cracking before they touched the water. Fit and finish was 10x worse than my Alumacraft. They did stand behind their product but quite the headache for 2 years.
The team marine channel is on top, no doubt, Andy an the boys just drop heat! Keep it up boys, love the channel!
I would love to see a video on the real differences between ranger aluminum and tracker aluminum
Trackers are welding by production rangers are built by hand not even close in quality will the tracker float u better check ranger warranty bar none
Mercury is actually located in Brownsburg Indiana, west of Indy. Less than a mile from my house. HUGE building , I have a hard time believing the slow down for them will continue. I think maybe what you are seeing is the time it has taken to move everything to new location?
Aluminum boats have gotten more popular or a lot of reasons. The biggest reason is how much nicer and better they have gotten, which puts more eyes on them. Boats in general have gotten more expensive and with that people look for cheaper options. You also have the fact that aside from aluminum boats typically having a smaller motor for the same size boat as their glass counterpart, you can rig these modern aluminum boats the same way you rig your glass boat. Locker layouts are similar to glass. You can run what ever graphs you want at the console and bow. So I own a Phoenix 920 Elite, but last spring I went and picked up a Vexus AVX1980 just as they rolled out the new models with the thicker hulls. I wanted something lighter that I could yank to different states and fish unfamiliar bodies of water with out so much concern of the boat being beat up a bit. I knew the Vexus boats were premium when it came to aluminum bass boats, but I never knew just how nice they were until I started fishing the thing. Is it as good as my Phoenix? No its not, but would I be unhappy if the 1980 was all I had. Absolutely not
Owned 2021 Nitro Z19 Pro one issue, 2022 Ranger 520R one issue all taken care of immediately. Zero issues with either Mercury but the 200 had the best fuel mileage.
I would never have owned a Ranger Boat until the R series, that is what I thought of them, never would have boat a Nitro until 2021 and they keep getting better.
I wish you would have asked him if or when White River was going to build a tin boat that would handle the 200 or 250 motors. I looked into them around 2010 when Ranger and Triton started building their tins and the sales guy told me he didn't think Ranger would ever build one to even use the 150. But of course now both Ranger and Tracker are doing it. Just checked local dealer today and they had a new Ranger 19 tin with 150 Merc. Problem was it was almost as much as their Triton 18 glass with a 200! No substitute for horsepower! Love this video Andy! Keep them coming.
Their coming, can't say too much but soon.
Alpha 208
It’s called a “Fucht”. That’s what I called the one I owned for 18 yrs. Ended up being a fairly reliable motor that I put 400 hrs on and only suffered from operator error.
Heck yeah glad you have a guest from my area..jetta been around long time good people and service go by and see them!!
Good video. I fished with Toby at the Pickwick BFL last year. Good guy. He kicked my tail from the front of the boat.
I have a 2005 Crestliner 1860 tin boat with Yamaha 90hp 2 stroke and it is a great boat, no issues.
Automotive industry a cluster for parts too
6 -10 year old vehicles , used to be in stock items
Power pole is the goat at customer service
That's for sure....
Have a 2018 Tracker Pro 160 with Merc 40. Love it, no issues
I have a 2021 tracker proteam 175, great boat, but they installed the drivers console with 2 long bolts with no nuts, vibration cause the console to come off on the highway. Selling it and buying a new ranger hopefully they put pride in the rangers.
my 2000 200hp ficht still runs like a champ for the new owner has been amazing good no parts just maintenance and upkeep
my 2004 175hp ficht is still running good as well. Never not fired up!
@@brettanderson2849 i know a guy with a 97 or 98 175 ficht still going strong and he doesn't take care of it at all
I love hearing at the 12:00ish mark yall talking about the tin boats. I find it funny because of how chincy and flimsy the box store tin boats are, but down in Louisiana and other places where the toughest boats are always built out of aluminum. The difference is mass production, cheap ass aluminum, slapped together vs a high quality tin built like a Gator Trax. I said it. Hammer down !!!! I'll run any of those big water chops yall talking about and I don't back down for shit. But there's a night and day difference in a GT vs a ranger or bass tracker aluminum boat.
Agreed! 100%. And thats from experience.
Gatortrax owner here, owned my boat for seven years and it has taken a beating with no issues. (175hp)
Same on vancouver island, my 16ft skiff weighs 1100lbs on the trailer. My work boats are have at least a 1/4 plate bottom
The difference is the thickness of the aluminum. The thickest aluminum most of these aluminum boat manufacturers want to use is .080". Then they just stack two pieces together for the bow section on some boats. Part of it is equipment limitations and workability but most of it comes right down to money.
@@sdvten I hear you on the it comes down to money. The 16ft boat I got is 40 years old, the manufacturer; LifeTimer (Duncan, BC) is still making the "same" boat today, they're 20k+. I think you get what you pay for.
Great video! Keep them coming.
Dude I have to give you props, My bad a should’ve watched the whole video before commenting, If I heard you correct you said the first generation FICHTS was a descent motor that would last.👍👍I know you don’t like OMC’s, Believe me I would love to re-power my boat with a Suzuki 150. Just not in the budget right now. Big fan of the show keep up the good work,
Great job Andy love your videos keep um coming.
Buddy just bought a 08 40th anniversary 620vs. Looks like a nice unit
The industry will be in for a rude awakening if interest rates keep up.
I had a 2020 Ranger vx1788wt that was the biggest POS boat I've ever owned.. Parts were welded in crooked, fasteners coming loose, leaks, paint falling off, performance issues due to setup. It went back to the factory twice. It was a joke. Now I have a 2022 Lund Tyee and I've had zero issues with it.
what happend to the cheap small boats? way better than a jet ski! i had a 87 13ft checkmate! my friends had the whalers etc. i have a 15.5 viper. 2005 150 xr6.
Who out there’s running a White River product? What’s your experience been like so far? Let us know the good and the bad!
No complaints with the ranger or bass tracker tin rigs, when used for what they're intended for.... just hold them to the warranty work and get the bugs worked out as fast as possible. Then take it for what it is: a decent quality, low entry cost, light weight option for being on the water.
2023 Triton 179 TRX MERCURY 115 ALL good ....I have good dealer in my area.....they are a Ranger dealer that can sell Triton
I ran a 2018 Nitro z20 for almost 4 years. Zero complaints about the boat. Zero issues. Great platform. Only issues I had were mercury related. And if I had a complaint, it would’ve been the ride. It was a little rough. Traded that boat in on my current 2022 Skeeter zxr20 after my merc let go for a second time. New Zxr ride is night and day better, but there are some features I miss from my nitro.
I'm running a 2022 grizzly 1648sc 50hp Merc I purchased brand new in 22 love the boat no complaints it was comfortably affordable and puts me and my kids on the lake fishing and enjoying the water it runs 37 mph wot which works for me they should however offer a fishing package with trolling motor and fish finders and seats. I just added it all myself
My Nitro Z18 is 4 years old now, and it’s bulletproof. I fished it for four tournament seasons, and now my 15 yo son is using it for his high school league, and im fishing an FXR21.
Need to do a video on old marine techs v/s new marine techs
Why is White river marine exclusive to mercury only.
Because Johnny Morris owns a big share in Brunswick
Toby was cool, great show!
Let’s be honest!! We as as work force are not going to be able to afford these 80 plus thousand boats even the tin boats are getting expensive! You will have a few big dealers that will survive but we will lose tons of smaller dealers ships!! But you will do great !! Because they will be more an more older boats being patched on instead of having to make choice to live in a trailers to buy a 100 grand boat or have an old used boat an a very nice house to live. It’s coming mark my word the market will shrink. It’s just the way the economy is going. When I fish I see very, very few new boats.
Its already here.
I buy used, you can get a great used boat for 7-10k . Like Harley’s, there are a bunch of garage queens out there and the owners outfitted them with upgrades that would cost a fortune if you had to buy them new.
That was a good one!
They are a 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Correct on power pole They are great...
Good one... 🍺🎣
It’s summer out why does he have a coat or a rain coat on
What’s the best product to use to remove carpet? Glue off the deck of a fiberglass boat
great video
I would have to disagree with you on the durability of aluminum boats. There’s a reason the vast majority don’t run fiberglass in the land of 10k lakes and into Canada. An aluminum hull is much more durable than a fiberglass one.
What about the new ranger 2080 aluminum
Charging 100,000 plus for a bass boat and can’t get parts. I wouldn’t buy a new boat unless it had a Yamaha, or Suzuki.
Great video Jordan
2022 ranger 519c has been in the shop for 3 months total so far getting gel coat issues fixed. just splashed it on July 4 after owning 10 months. now found out the fuel gauge doesn't on it????
Buddy’s 150 merc, 3 months to get an alternator. Crazy that’s our summer in Canada. 108 hours on it
Really? On vancouver island my dealer has them in stock. I've got a 150 in my yard with a rotted out head, the alternator should be good
My dad has a 2021 ranger z521L I have a 2023 ranger z185 both great boats I don’t think the quality of the boats have went down every boats is going to have issues it’s the customer service that has went down from what used to be great to ok
I have a 19 982 nitro TF 170 with a Johnson high I’ll put 90 love the boat motor matter what I do basically doesn’t start and run word for shit every year it runs, but would you take it in the water and try to get it up on plane basically falls on his face so he could have the carbs cleaned or boiled or whatever you know how to get them to work
That ever seen the water?
I bought my 1st NEW boat from Toby and Jeta
Me running an old 1985 Sylvan with a Johnson 70. Don't laugh it's payed for😂😂
This is because the industry has a failing business plan . It still is trying to be NASCAR on the water and guess what NASCAR cant even be NASCAR anymore....
Ranger needs to make a 20-21 ft tin boats like vx1888.
I sell industrial supplies and the back orders are ridiculous from nuts and bolts, chemicals electrical etc it’s insane
If you don't think the industry is teetering on the edge take a good look at Miami Marine Stadium and where it is today.
Give a tin boat to Keith poche to test them out and see if it holds up lol.. that guy go through crazy shit all the time!
What boat brands will offer a Suzuki as an option?
SeaArk sells their boats with Zukes.
Rick Pierce will tell you Nitro out sells every boat brand
Have you seen the Suzuki 350 with Dorrough prop
Evinrude for life!!!! 💪🏼
Good video!
Only if its an OMC version
Interest rates are gonna hurt
Dam Andy all slowwww boats ride good bruh.
I just don't get why the aluminium market doesn't collapse. Years ago I guess the "first boat buyer" thing was valid but prices have gone up proportionally faster than glass rigs. The average one (tracker, ranger, lund ect) are narrow, terrible storage, ugly, and going to be mid five figures. I've never seen one I'd prefer to my 24 year old glass rig and I hate my glass rig. It would be a toss up between a brand new ranger aluminum and my 73 Chrysler BassRunner that was my first boat. Do your homework and find a good used glass rig and leave aluminum for soda cans
Roland Martin has been Mercury for years....and Scott his son has never been with Mercury to my knowledge
Go with the most reliable, bulletproof, outboard engine, Suzuki
That's too much being in the sun
dude doesnt wear sunglasses by chance does he
I think his face is just like that
Not trying to disagree with your guest. He has his reasons for talking good about the products he sells. Ranger is not as good of a boat as it used to be. When Johnny took over Ranger he deliberately cut quality to make more money. They aren’t terrible boats. Just not as good as they used to be. Appreciate your show as always.
We get your point and we agree with you Jason. We have seen the quality fall off because we work on them everyday.
Not true
Do any of you own a Ranger boat? The R series had lose seat issue and warped rear lid issue.
Zero wiring, Zero finish issues. The junk you referred to was pre Johnny Morris days called Genmar
I own an older Ranger Z21. I have looked at the brand new Rangers and their fit and finish is very good. I have dived into the wiring and it looks very good as well. Quit being a Johnny hater. He has done more for the industry and conservation than all of the other owner groups combined.
Been trying to get a mid section for a 2019 250 pro xs for about 2 months. Backorders are crazy! If anybody knows a dealer thay has one in stock please reply to me!
Simms the talking raccoon LOL!
Hahahaha
I loved Johnsons especially the Fast Strikes. When I was young my dad had a 92 19ft Nitro with a 175 Fast Strike. That boat would flat out fly. It would walk Merc 200's all day long on Chicamauga Lake. That speedo would come up and touch 74mph then it chine walked so bad you were off the throttle lol. Started good ran like a raped ape but my god it gulped fuel lol
I would love to have a brand new bass boat but don’t have $100,000 To buy one or finding one Iam shit out of luck too
I didn’t think you could switch boats in tournament fishing
That’s for the professional leagues.
That iKon is the best riding boat I have ever been in.
Agreed
As much as my house
@@jpaul4788 dang man where do you live? I haven't seen a house priced that low since the 80's
If you become a Yamaha dealer. I'll ship my boat from Florida for a repower.
We can get any HP Yamahas with our network
Interest rates are really killing all the fun. LOL! Do you actually think a white river exclusive dealer is going to say their quality isn't good?! Nitro sells because of price...same with tin boats. Toby seems like a great dude, but please please wear some sunscreen! Want a well built big and fast boat... Get a puma sts. As for power pole... Customer service is awesome. Just sent me a new power pole shroud this week... No questions asked and quick shipping.
This guy’s not gonna say anything negative about the mercury engine his supplier won’t have it
Mercury on top? In sales? Y’all obviously see a lot more than I do but I’ve seen a lot more issues out of mercs than yamaha or Suzuki..
Wounder if he wasnt already a Suzuki dealer he would sell Yamaha
The main reason I’m not a Yamaha dealer is they want me to be a stocking dealer with a showroom. I don’t have the want, need or the space in my shop for that. Suzuki doesn’t care nor force that upon their dealers
I don’t have to worry about having to find parts, I have a OMC Johnson, 150. 😂😂Stay away from Mercury
Holy shit! A racoon!!
Mercury is not number one in Kentucky in my book 😂😂😂 will said by a Mercury dealership 😂😂😂😂
Only sell mercury there is one place to add to my list of places I will not buy a boat.
Sunscreen, learn what it is, use it.
Buy Suzuki, and all products as far away and not associated with white River marine . They’re doing this all on purpose .
Ranger parts department is atrocious. They don't have a website where customers can self serve, you have to call in and hope you get matched with someone who knows what the hell they're talking about. Their part numbers are pulled out of thin air, they refuse to provide the actual manufacture part number so you can source parts from mfg instead of Ranger.
OK gonna half to call in a great Big BULLDOOKIE on the Ranger being the same Quality since 2008!!!
Johny bought Ranger and literally TOLD the employees this is how we're going to cut corners which is the same exact way he's been running Mako Boats since he acquired them, and we all KNOW how riddled with absurd issues those beautifully and flawlessly designed boats are.
Compartment lids cracking when stepped on and upon inspection the fiberglass inside the sandwiched gelcoat is completely raw with absolutly ZERO RESIN inside!!! Just go to your local Bass Pro Shops and look around the top shelves int he service department and you'll likely see a bunch of lids sitting around.
And kudos to Ranger employees for literally quitting rather than build such an inferior product!
Nitro Boats are no different than Rangers in terms of build practices and ultimately quality "or lack there of", but the flaws in craftsmanship would be far more easily identified by running them in saltwater which has zero mercy on anything.
Prices have leveled off because people seem to have come to their senses and have collectively decided too much is too much. And as stated, the absurd interest rates makes it that much dumber to commit to a mortgage payment on a luxury item that depreciates faster than anything you can spend your money on.
White River, consistently inventing new ways to fall apart
is the video a joke i was waiting for them to get PUNK
Jet-A- marine needs to take on Suzuki dealership piss on Mercury
They can't. They are stuck with Johnny, exclusively.
Are you sure thats not your pet raccoon you just put on as a guest..
No quality issues on Rangers?? Either this guy is delusional or he's scared. He might get fired for speaking the truth. Hey you wanna talk about Ranger and Tracker trailers???
Merc’s always been the leader and always will be! Everyone copies merc. Just look at the new yamhahaha cowling. Copy of the old mod.
Yamaha came out with a ho 4 stoke 9 years before mercury did. Not sure what you are talking about.
lol evinrude guys are gonna be THRILLED to hear this. if only they could accept the concept that their motor is junk.
Brother my E tec is a monster, always has been
Don't want a merc. Want to know a little more about a Suzuki 90 140 hp don't care about speed want a reliable motor I'm on fixed income. Thank u