Why Europeans stopped wearing The Hijab
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2022
- Muslims women in Europe have been put under a lot of pressure to take off their hijabs.
Legal action has been taken against hijabs and other types of veils in many European countries. The hijab has become a symbol of Islam and is often seen as a threat to European Culture.
In this video, I show how the hijab and other types of veils have, in fact, always been a part of European culture since the time of Ancient Greece and potentially even earlier.
A fact many Europeans would like to hide....
As an Albanian I can absolutely agree with this. All of our oldest national costumes that predate the Christianity and later on Islam religion, all are veiled, just as men have hats.
In the middle east it‘s the same. Even pagan babylonian women would veil themselves
Yeah because Georgios Kastriotis lost
My religious identity isn't tied to the hat I wear. If it were, I would have been on my way to hell a long time ago.
I almoat never wear any kind of hat at all honestly. You should try it some time, it feels great!
@@petrospetromixos6962 that has nothing to do with Gergj Kastrioti... What part of my comment did you miss our pre Christian traditional outfits all have a veil for women and hats for men ...
@@jaytv4eva as I said our traditional outfits that predate organized religion have head covering for both genders. It's basically more of a national or ethnic identity rather than connected with religion. To this day in rural areas you still see women be them Muslim, Orthodox or Catholics they still wear some kind of head covering
Someone needs to send this to France 👀
Maybe Russia will send something to France in the near future.😂
Not just France..the whole world!!!!
France cant be saved.
It was the Frank culture Charlemagne till Charles Martell banned veil and scarf and preferred women with dangling hair as art and sculptures!
@@sivaratnamasabaratnam8946 ..it was the devil/Satan in them that motivated that ..just like all other evil done by mankind..the only enemy mankind has is Satan ..who Whispers mischief in your ears..
one thing not mentioned is that without daily showers, shampoo and conditioner the easiest way to keep long hair clean is to just cover it
True. It was also worn to avoid suntan
@@dinos9607
Ironic eh? Untanned skin
was a sign of wealth. Then
once the industrial revolution
and post WW1 society took
hold suntanned skin was
a status symbol.
@Guillhez
EXACTLY!
Commerical (liquid/stable)
shampoo was not available
until about 1900. For most
living in cities, indoor plumbing
came about the same time.
Before commercial shampoo
soap had to be grated into
hot water then stirred to
liquify the soap (and used
before it percipitated out
as the water cooled)
Also it was hard to rinse
out of the hair and off the
scalp. (Vinegar in the
rinse water helped.)
Then there was still (for
women) the time spent
combing the hair as it
dried and then brushing
it before styling it.
Most women made it a
family thing (had to draw
water, heat it, etc.) or had
servants/slaves to do
the work, plus a skilled
ladies maid to style those
elaborate updos.
In cities hair-dressers were
available (they came to your
home) but they used the
same styling medium
(pomade, etc) and the same
combs/brushes for all of
their clients. Ick!
Cleaner hair was a benefit, not the purpose of covering the hair.
I think its also interesting to note that veiling has always served a practical purpose for women in cultures where longer hair is valued - it's a form of hair care. It keeps hair clean and means that you dont have to wash it as often. It protects the hair from damage when the hair is secured properly underneath. And like brushes and combs made out of natural materials it can help to absorb and distribute hair oils. I think this is one of the reasons you find the veil hanging around for much longer in rural areas (other than culture and religion).
I am prone to skin cancer and wear basically a large scarf around my head and neck in the sun. I do however feel somewhat uncomfortable when using public transit with ladies who are wearing hijab, although there are also Indian ladies with simple headscarves. I don't want to be accused of cultural appropriation :(
it was foremost a sunblocker and protection from dirt for hard working women. They would put them off when work was finished, especially when something festive was in the village they would wear their hair open and dresses . They didnt hide themselves like muslim women would do that. There was no reason for it.
Yes i missed this point in the video
100% correct. That is the basic purpose of headwear and always has been. Social and religios customs came after the pratical meaning.
@@lucifer0247 True but not necessarily. Certain European cultures definitely had women wearing some hair covering for religious modesty purposes all the time that they were in public, if they were married for example.
was raised catholic and attended church in the 80s and 90s, I remember a bunch the older women wearing veils. Had no idea the rule was only changed in 83
I remember that from my visits to Spain. I hope still in the villages Spanish women may cover their hair.
@@RicardoMartinez-oh9sqapparently, in this day and age if women wear modest clothes it means they are oppressed 😅
@TheMan-qr5eh Because film producers ,Uni Professors and social scientists became as a new appointed Popes!
They are not producing movies for business but to become a cult figure to make followers!
The veil is not European....
Growing up in Austria in the 1980's I remember how my grandmother and other women in the countryside always wore headscarfs when going in the forest, to church etc. Back then almost everyone was catholic in Austria.
Yes, but you don't remember face veils, which is the problem garment.
@@tedcrilly46 Exactly, also the weather in Austria is significantly colder, at least in the 80s to 2000. As a Christian, I think veils, scarves or hats for men are normal and correct. But after the beginnung of the feminist movement, women tried to destroy the "conservative" currents and their structure and the the ;) evil patriarchy. Nowadays it's normal/common for girls to go swimming in bikinis, which, if we're being honest, would be just like people going out in their underwear.
I don't care how certain people act or what they wear as long as there are still a few people who are aware that it's all just gross. Not that I have anything against half-naked women, or against more freedom and rights for everyone. But freedom should go hand in hand with voluntariness. We Christians/Europeans want everyone to have the choice of whether they want to live as a nun/monk, or some other conservative way of life, or whether they want to live out their freedom in a completely different way.
Wearing the niqab is in no way comparable to the occasional veiling of certain women from social or cultural norms. They don't just do this of their own accord, but can also easily do the opposite, and settle down almost naked on the beach.
Neither today's Muslims nor then the Romans could afford this "freedom".
@@tedcrilly46in Christianity woman don’t have to veil outside of Church
Women don't have to use a veil in church, they just have to cover their head, so they can use a hat as well. And rhey never had to cover their face, not in church and neither outside.
@@tedcrilly46 Face veil started as a protection against the sun. Some brides still use a veil like
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I remember my grandmother wearing a veil to Catholic mass every Sunday. It wasn’t until Vatican 2 that women really stopped veiling during mass.
Our God has said that women should cover their heads while praying when they are in God's presence. If you read the story of Hijab in Islam, you will understand by reading Bukhari 1:4:148.
It didn't stop, though. Perhaps it stopped in the Western world, but in African countries, for example, women cover their hair in church.
@@chimeremnmaozioko17 I think that’s beautiful
@@philipmathew1366 I’ve read a lot about hijab in Islam, my husband is Muslim
I'm a secular American. I never let my hair down in public. And yes that's for modesty. I keep it in a bun and have recently begun veiling again. Thank you so much for this video. The history is fascinating.
Just curious, what kind of a veil do you use though? I've never seen non-Muslim American woman in a veil.
@@Hasnain1FProbs more nun style I guess
Modesty based on what teachings? Secular?
Ridiculous
@@Hasnain1F many Catholic or especially Orthodox Christian women wear veils, it’s a have to in Orthodox Churches for women.
Showing Queen Elizabeth, before she was queen, wearing head scarves in Wales in 1946 was pretty cool. Nice insert at the end of the video. Thumbs up!
My mother and grandmother but it was a fashion then
I was born in 1945 lots of women wore scarves to go out…nothing at all to do with religion..they were too busy trying to survive….. to keep warm….no money money for haircuts…it’s hilarious that they were doing it in the same way as Muslim women…who mostly do not have a choice in the matter…
Wow this was really interesting! There was so many facts and it did make me see head coverings differently throughout history. I am Eastern European and in church we have always had to wear scarves or coverings over our hair and I’ve always wondered about that relation to Islamic head coverings. Keep making videos! 😀
Exactly! Sometimes the TRUTH is stranger than fiction. Muslims have always said they are CONTINUING what the Christians and Jews have abandoned. In fact, contrary to the lies and distortions against Islam by the establishment media and now by the so called "alternative media" as well, Islam is NOT a new religion. In fact, Jesus and all the other Prophets in the Bible were Muslims. Here's the proof…
1. Islam = Submission/Peace.
2. Muslim = One who submits to God peacefully.
3. Prostration = The ultimate way to submit to your Creator.
4. Muslims Prostrate by placing their heads on the ground to worship God.
So how did Jesus and all the other Prophets prayed to their Lord in the Bible? Let’s take a look...
5. Jesus
Matthews 26:39
39 "Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed"
6. Abraham
Genesis 17:3
3 "And Abraham fell on his face: and God talked with him."
7. David
1 Samuel 20:41
41 “David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down three times, with his face to the ground.”
8. Moses and Aaron
Numbers 20:6
6 "...they fell upon their faces: and the glory of the Lord appeared unto them."
9. Joshua
Joshua 7:6
6 “…fell facedown to the ground before the ark of the Lord, remaining there till evening. The elders of Israel did the same, and sprinkled dust on their heads.”
10. Solomon
2 Chronicles 7:3
3 "…they knelt on the pavement with their faces to the ground, and they worshiped and gave thanks to the Lord, saying, ‘He is good; his love endures forever.”
11. Ezra
Nehemiah 8:6
6 "Ezra praised the Lord, the great God; and all the people lifted their hands and responded, “Amen! Amen!” Then they bowed down and worshiped the Lord with their faces to the ground."
12. Revelation 7:11
11 "All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God."
May Allah GUIDE those who are sincere and honest before it’s too late for them.
I was in Russia years ago. My Russian christian classmate girl asked me, too. She admires how muslim woman wears it.
Actualy, honestly i know, that there is rule to wear it in "Stary Zavet""
He is manipulating you, deceiving you.
Katia, Christianity came before Islam, and the reason for scarves/head coverings in Christianity is not the same as the reason for hijab in Islam. Christian women do not have to wear a head covering all the time; Christianity is so much nicer to women. 😊
@@chr_my manipüle etmeyi siz Hristiyanlar çok iyi biliyorsunuz
Don't call them Hijab, Hijab is associated with Islam, Women who enter Churches still wear Veils in my country of Georgia, but if you told them they're wearing a "Hijab", you'd get a very negative reaction, cause we simply do not consider them to be the same. a lot of Muslims wear Hijab in their day-to-day life, whether by choice or mandatory, while our women only wear Veils when entering holy places.
Read the replies, I'm done answering to same comments.
No offense.. But that's kind of ignorant to say that ! Why ? Because Hijab simply LITERALLY means VEIL in arabic ! Just like ALLAH (sw) means THE GOD in arabic (and that's how arab christians call him)
just because they are ignorant, dont make yourself like them
@@saitofay5592 You need to re-read what I said, I'm well aware what they mean, but you guys are using Arabic words in English to make that distinction, so obviously whenever someone hears Hijab they associate it to Islam, not Christianity. Why don't you guys say "God" and "Veil" in English then if you don't want people to make a DISTINCTION, everything has a reason. Imagine if I suddenly started using Tavsaburavi because that's what we call it, or if I suddenly started Speaking Aramaic cause that's what Jesus spoke to his followers, wouldn't make sense would it :)
We even have sperate word for Hijab (Hijabi) so why are you mad, Muslims love to make distinctions with Arabic in English language, all I'm doing is affirming that.
@@zackzul5884 Marking the difference is ignorance now? I'm not the one making rules brother, every single Muslim is using these terms in Arabic cause that's their religion's language, so by using their terms you automatically label Non-Muslims as well, how is that hard to understand? it's not like I'm saying anything bad.
@@LukaMamukelashvili ignorance because them haven’t be told what the meaning of hijab. Unlike you, you have knowledge of it and yet you didnt want them to know about it. You want us to change our word to fit their culture. So what the purpose of us told in media what are their wearing is hijab?
Women didn't simply 'feel the need' to wear veils. Rules/ norms related to women wearing veils originated from Assyrian laws, which were written so that men could discern between women who belonged to houses (run by men) and those who did not (prostitutes). Women's veils were of varying quality depending on the wealth of their houses, and this made it easy for men to see which other men were the richest and most powerful, and which were lower on the hierarchy. What the women wore 100% reflected on the men, because they were the property of men. The way the wearing of the veil is presented here, in part, is as if women just mysteriously decided to wear veils because it was all the rage or because they were really catty and loved to show each other up via accessories. It's not that the information here is so much incorrect, it's that it's incomplete.
I was raised Catholic in Ireland and in the 70s and 80s women including my mother wore short scarves knotted under the chin. It's not unusual these days to see elderly women wearing a head scarf either going to church or when out shopping. I went to Rome for a weekend about 10 years ago and the majority of women wore head scarves going to church. In many churches tourists are required to wear modest clothes in no shorts, women are required to cover their heads, arms and shoulders.
Same thing here back in my land....
I'm myself European Latina 🇪🇺 🇵🇹 and Christian ✝️ and I do wear Hejab on too 🧕🏼 on my daily basis.....
I don't need to be properly a "Muslim" in order so I wear an Hejab on too.. 😒
@@mikidias “you are oppressed “ comment incoming 😅
@@TheMan-qr5eh
Unfortunately, ya!
I am indeed 👍🏻
I am (and, I quote it) "oppressed" by Islamophobic haters and racists who take me as a Middle - Eastern or Asian expat migrant out of my looking garments, just for being Hejabi Christian 🧕🏼, because I wear my Arab Abaya 👘 and Hejab on my daily basis 🧕🏼
They're bloody racists and Islamophobic haters 😠 🤢 🤮
At least its a mark of respect and reverence.
@@TheMan-qr5ehwhy is she oppressed?
I veil in my church. I love the idea of veiling and it is making a comeback in our church. It's no longer considered repressive. We still have the choice to veil or not. Most of us feel uncomfortable not veiling. It has become such an important part of worship.❤️
Same here. Totally agree with you. God bless!
what church do you go to?
Nice ❤
Sounds good to be that women church goers are taking up the veil. It is in the Bible anyway. France's Macron is lagging.
“Important part of worship”, same as Islam.
The difference is, In Islam worships not only done inside mosque, but in every activities of our life.
That’s way working (in halal way), serve your spouse, taking care your kids, your elders, giving charity, wearing hijab (for women), lower your gaze (for men), etc all of that is considered worship in Islam
Why men think women wear veils/scarves/kerchiefs etc. and why women actually wore them are quite different. In all the history you covered you didn't mention the lack of running (hot) water, blow dryers, and curling irons etc. Washing hair in the 1960s took up the evening, seriously. There's an old commercial advertising hair dryers: "I can't go out tonight; I have to wash my hair".
My mom and grandmother never cleaned without head coverings back in the 50s and 60s, until the blow dryer became available, and still, if they were plucking chickens or some other gross work, they wore aprons and scarves. Hair was washed once per week. Under the covering the hair becomes flat, and sweaty. Same with hats which is why women were always allowed to wear them in restaurants, movies etc. Imagine pulling off the headscarf to answer the door. Yikes!! Once you put them on they don't come off; the resulting look is rather a disaster. The Jewish Tichel is quite an elaborate wrap; it is on for the duration!
I love wearing a long scarf; I don't think anyone should be forced to remove one or be told they cannot wear one, but I also think women should be able to decide for themselves if they want to wear them. On a summer's day they are hot, hot, hot. Like, I could faint my head gets so hot. A woman should be free to make her own choices on this matter.
Scarves also provide some protection against head lice which are easy to catch and hard to get rid of especially before the invention of chemical treatments.
Massive cope
Okay, but wearing a veil or head scarf around your hair doesn't necessarily indicate that you are being more devout; it may also be a fashion statement.
Actually No!
I would personally say it's not even about more devout or religious, more so to have some decency in which clearly our modern woman very very much lacking...
@@crozraven Style recycles. However, can you image wearing something that dates back thousands of years, to the ancient world.
@@tasmiazakariah6278 your opinion
@@crozravenCovering head is moral?😅
I hope you see my comment. I'm a Muslim girl and i struggled to wear the hijab because i thought it looked bad on me and if everyone else is not wearing it then why should i and stuff , but after watching your video i finally understand what hijab really is. Thank you so much you encouraged me to wear it !
Don’t worry about what the people say, only worry about what your creator wants from you.
(64)Chapter: The Punishment Of The One Who Seeks The People's Pleasure By Allah's Wrath And The Opposite(64) باب مِنْهُ
Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2414
'Abdul-Wahhab bin Al-Ward narrated from a man among the inhabitants of Al-Madinah who said:
"Mu'awiyah wrote a letter to 'Aishah, that: 'Write a letter to advise me , and do not overburden me.'" He said: "So 'Aishah [may Allah be pleased with her]wrote to Mu'awiyah: 'Peace be upon you. As for what follows: Indeed I heard the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) saying: Whoever seeks Allah's pleasure by the people's wrath, Allah will suffice him from the people. And who ever seeks the people's pleasure by Allah's wrath, Allah will entrust him to the people. And Peace be upon you.'"
حَدَّثَنَا سُوَيْدُ بْنُ نَصْرٍ، أَخْبَرَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ الْمُبَارَكِ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الْوَهَّابِ بْنِ الْوَرْدِ، عَنْ رَجُلٍ، مِنْ أَهْلِ الْمَدِينَةِ قَالَ كَتَبَ مُعَاوِيَةُ إِلَى عَائِشَةَ أُمِّ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ رضى الله عنها أَنِ اكْتُبِي إِلَىَّ كِتَابًا تُوصِينِي فِيهِ وَلاَ تُكْثِرِي عَلَىَّ . فَكَتَبَتْ عَائِشَةُ رضى الله عنها إِلَى مُعَاوِيَةَ سَلاَمٌ عَلَيْكَ أَمَّا بَعْدُ فَإِنِّي سَمِعْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ " مَنِ الْتَمَسَ رِضَاءَ اللَّهِ بِسَخَطِ النَّاسِ كَفَاهُ اللَّهُ مُؤْنَةَ النَّاسِ وَمَنِ الْتَمَسَ رِضَاءَ النَّاسِ بِسَخَطِ اللَّهِ وَكَلَهُ اللَّهُ إِلَى النَّاسِ " . وَالسَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكَ . حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى، حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يُوسُفَ، عَنْ سُفْيَانَ الثَّوْرِيِّ، عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ عُرْوَةَ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، أَنَّهَا كَتَبَتْ إِلَى مُعَاوِيَةَ فَذَكَرَ الْحَدِيثَ بِمَعْنَاهُ وَلَمْ يَرْفَعْهُ .
Grade: Hasan (Darussalam)
Reference : Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2414
In-book reference : Book 36, Hadith 112
English translation : Vol. 4, Book 10, Hadith 2414
Asalam alaykum sister. I have only been researching and practicing our religion for 4.5 years now Alhamdulilah i was guided by Allah SWT. In the past I would avoid hijabi women, I wouldn't even make eye contact or even acknowledge their presence. However now they are the most beautiful women I see and I have to remind myself to lower my gaze and not to look.
@@mohamoudhassan6934i wish success and happinness for you my bro
@@Salafiyahisthehaqqyou are a beauthifull person my brother
@khaliilbinammar4700i hope a wonderfull life for you my belove brother🙂
When a told a young Muslim woman from Somalia, here in Ohio, that in the Spanish villages Catholic women still cover their hair she was surprised; so I did encourage her to wear her hijab even though I am not a Muslim.
In this atheist world we need people like you
Somali here. Thanks for your open-minded approach to understanding other cultures.
shame on us, muslims, that even non-muslim suggests us to wear modest clothe.
Sweedish women go nude all summer, so maybe the somali chick should flash the flesh.
Great you got fantastic highly educated Somalis😂
This was quite enjoyable. You make me think in a very, very different way. My grandmother, for example, wore her Mantilla all the way into her 80s; as well as her sisters. They never went out in public without it.
What you said at 14:21 is what I was thinking the whole time because many women today (in western societies) think the wearing of this is too conservative or too submissive.
Or maybe because people asociate it with the goverment of Iran, that puts women in jail for not wearing hijab.
Anyway.
Great video man. Thanks for all the info you gathered !
Older women in Portugal all wore veils when I was a child.... My grandmother used to wear them even in her 40s, many times not even for church, and outside church usually tied under her chin.
yes that is nice
that's simply because it is not a religious ornament like it is for muslim people!!
@@caro2233 Stupid comment. It's not an ornament but obligation. Let us worship our Creator and you are free to worship your liberal masters.
@@observeurr it IS si that men do not violate/harass/rape them. That IS why in many Muslim countries they spit on and beat UP women who are not wearing it (not all Muslim countries, but many)
@@observeurr maybe you find it offensive because truth does hurt?
as far as me offending 'every' muslim... i don't understand why you would talk in place of every single muslim.
feelings don't change facts/reality.
no society/institution is perfect. even if we really really reallly want to believe it.
just as Christianity is not perfect, Islam isn't either.
IT IS WEARING THE VEIL, NOT THE HIJAB!
Same shit
@@jigsaw2253
No, it is not!
@@mikewalsh1402 cope you hypocrite European
@@jigsaw2253 wrong it isnt name is different and it has different looks, man just dont type comment if you dont know difference between those.
Hijab just means scarft,so it's basically the same thing
That wasn’t a hijab 😂. I still see European women wear headscarves when it is windy.
😂Hijab is arabic language for headscarves
@@Nacrothkhimar is headscarf in Arabic, hijab is full body covering
@@shokion1697 what do you mean by extra cover? Hijab is an Islamic term for covering of your aura, if you even know what that is
@@shokion1697 that doesn’t matter islam is where the limit is drawn the hijab isn’t extra
@@shokion1697 hijab is normal anything lower then it is to less,
Yea you were talking about ancient greeks and ancient romans, fair point, but if you will go little bit north, ancient kelts, ancient norvigeans and ancient slavs, there is no mention of veil. Those nation stared to wear a veil with the arrival of Christianity. There is a reason why we keep saying that Islam still lives in middle ages, and this is one of them. We Europeans have grown out of old useless traditions created by people who lived in completely different conditions then we do. You guys should grow up as well.
The European veil was still different from the Muslim veil. The Muslim veil was introduced in order to make Muslim women appear different from Non Muslim women, so they won't be raped by Muslim men. It is legally enforced by Sharia law and they believe they will go to hell, if they don't cover themselves.
Christian women were always allowed to show their hair.
You abandoned your traditions and culture basically
@@ibrahimmohammedibrahim9273 no, we throwed away sand people's trash that they brought here.
Mash’Allah! I am a Muslim convert and some of my family doesn’t “appreciate” me wearing wearing hijab. I was generally aware of Europeans wearing veils, but thankful to find this video and more concrete proof
a moozi propagandist is not proof. it is just propaganda.
thanks for the time and effort for making such a video. hopefully many will consider their negative views into welcoming.
Wear the bee keeper suit 😂taunt them more 😂
Tell them Christian used to cover their Head
@@adamb.m4844 used to but no more. People used to live in caves also
I drove a double decker bus in Leeds, UK in the 1970s. Bus loads of women shoppers …all wearing headscarves.
wow! great job on researching this! The vail in Hellenic World genuinely surprised me because I saw so many Ancient Greek statues of women and none of them wore a veil. But, turns out that almost all statues of women with uncovered heads were statues of goddesses and those who were not, had at least some sort of drapery over their head
I would not pay much attention to the veil in old Greek culture as the parties in Lesbos were a bit hot even when wearing veils ... ruclips.net/video/znyjHJpmcmI/видео.html
I wouldn't call it "hijab" for originally Christian nations. In europe and the western world in general it was fairly normal for women to cover their hair in modesty. Depending on culture to culture. As a Catholic im aware that many Catholic women did it. Even into the modern era i have memories of my mother and grandmother doing it.
Arab Christians who wear head scarves call it hijab also. Hijab is just tha Arabic word for heading covering.
Ancient Greece was absolutely awful for women - they had no part in the freedom of male citizens. Neither did slaves. Why would you ever think they did?
Greek women (esp so pre-Christianity) wore the veil for the exact same reasons the desert tribal women didn't fight their men against it a millennia after Islam came in. As you say, stopped them being raped, which was widely allowed if you were a slave in both cultures, and was a sign of social status: what's not to like except the inconvenience. But those worlds were a thousand years apart at their onset, and - in some areas of the Islamic globe - that world still persists today.
Comment full of ignorance. Veiling wasn't common at all for Greek women. There are countless images and statues on how Greek women used to dress. Married women usually had their hair tied in a bun. Veiling was protection from weather or worn in special religious circumstances. Men also veiled in the temples, as Plutarch explained. There were beauty contests in greek cities even for married women and nobody raped them for exposing their beauty. You are probably projecting your own thoughts on history, just like so many propagandists have done.
Your information is excellent. But don’t talk to me is Europeans was a group. We have different ideas, values and understanding. I say this with total respect. You may need to open your mind before attempting to open ours.
You are right. People think of europe and asia as a single culture.
Your video just popped up. I truly appreciate your putting it out there. JazakAllah!
there are still thousands of representations of Greek and Roman women ranging from empresses to Hellenistic queens without veils
there are also extravagant hairstyles like at the time of trajan where women cannot put a veil on their heads
not to mention that the main veil is worn at the back of the head revealing 3/4 of their hair
it doesn't look like hijab at all
it is represented correctly in the HBO series rome
The unveiled female heads and the extravagant hairstyles would be seen only among relatives and close friends in house parties/celebrations, not out in public. And even there, the women would be on the upper floor altogether among themselves and the men downstairs on the guest saloon near the entry of the house - which was in a rectangular format with the yard on the inside, pretty much like a Middle Eastern / North African house. When receiving male guests, still the married women would put the loose veil you refer to. However when going out, it was pretty much a selection between a niqab and a burka. Yes, we don't associate ancient Greek women with such but this was the case. This was the case especially in the big cities such as Athens, Miletus, Syracuse. On more provincial small towns where everyone knew everyone and most were relatives, the customs could be more lax or.... even more strict, depending on a case per case. There were periods of strict norms and periods of relaxation, yet contrary to common perceptions, the Hellenistic Era was one of tightening social norms especially in the East where Greeks lived next to foreigners.
Now, it is not that every single Greek state had laws banning citizen women from going out unveiled - though these seemed to be in place as well quite often. It was ultimately a social norm, one which if a citizen's wife did not follow, she would be bad-mouthed by society, thus bringing shame to her husband as well for her ill-conduct and audacity. And in these societies your name was everything, you did not want it tarnished.
You need also to note that you could see unveiled women. These were female slaves, prostitutes and daughters/wives of immigrants who no matter if free people did not have to comply with strict social norms at all cases. These strict social norms were expected to be respected by citizens' women. By all means, among the very poor, the wives often had to work alongside their husbands (e.g. in the street markets etc.) so them too could as well go without the veil for comfort during work but they would certainly wear it while going back home. So overall the social norm was veiled outside and half-veiled or not (when in presence of women only, or male relatives and trusted friends) inside the house.
The assumption in the video is just wrong.
Ancient Greek veil symbolised purity and decensy, but it was not meant as a rule of modesty to keep away the male gaze. Women could desplay their extravanagnt hairstyles ,fine clothes,even their bare necks&shoulders by wearing it,as it was not about covarage ,but about cultural symbolism.
Godess Athena, for example wore a veil , that was even made and offered to her in her annual festival by the unmarried girls of Athens.Athena was the godess of wisdom and the virtues of modern civilisation.
The ancient greek "veil" also was colled a "peplon" [πέπλον]. Names are important,as comparing ancient norms and costums to our own can be quite misleading...
@@Eydocia Nope. Women would not display their extravagant styles out in the public, only prostitutes and concubines were doing so - and even them would rather veil themselves than have to be approached by "curious men". If a citizen's wife did so she brought shame on her husband and sons as well as her father and brothers. You need to understand that what you see in pottery and artistic depictions were exceptions, not the norm. For starters even aristocratic women generally wore very modest clothing in their everyday life. Extravagant clothing was worn on occasions in celebrations and again within a closed social circuit, usually in the house. If going outside, the extravagant clothing was always accompanied by at least a headscarf.
Sure, Greek societies were unlike muslim ones which were particularly violent and anti-female but it is not that Greek ones were safe or something. It was social outcry if a woman circulated out like you describe and then in the city (or even out in the country) it was also a danger, there were criminals who would rape women circulating alone. Zeus taught them so after all.
@@dinos9607 I can't see the connection you're doing between head coverings and patriarcy🤣!
Yes of course,ancient Athenean women were opressed and they didn't have any liberties or public voice,but that is not relevant with the attire they chose to wear and what was culturaly accepted as "modesty" in a pre-monotheistic world.
Better not inventing such stories, when you're lacking sources and cultural understanding about Greece!
@@Eydocia You are either trolling or you are totally clueless. You also don't even read what I am telling you. You are taking instances from artwork depicting women wearing "extravagant clothes and hairstyles" (which is not even the case, apparently you are seeing Roman Era styles worn in indoor parties, still not outside in the street) and you think that Greek women circulated like this in the streets. Sure : if they were prostitutes. And guess what, in cities like Athens they had banned the prostitutes from working anywhere in the streets, they were given designated areas and hotels where they practised their profession. Which means that while not forced, most prostitutes would still wear headscarves if walking anywhere else to avoid being harassed.
Judging from artwork and thinking women circulated like this all over the place, is the equivalent of thinking that Greek men circulated butt-naked with their dicks hanging out all the time! LOL! Seriously you are at that level.
While the imposition of head-cover was not like in islamic countries where women are arrested and punished for not wearing head covers, the reality is that in most ancient Greek states, especially the cities where lots of people, immigrants and slaves flocked, it was a social norm for citizens wives to cover themselves. If they did not do so they were shaming themselves and their family and guess what their husband would do to them? Beat them. That is right, they would earn a good beating. Wife beating was considered a good practice back then to put in position an unruly wife - check what the students of Socrates demanded him to do to his unruly wife, and by not doing so Socrates was going against the norms.
Trust me, when wives get a beating, they get in line. Now was that ugly? Sure. Was that violence against women? Sure. Was that unfair? Sure. But that is how it was. Women fell in line with the social norms. This was a male-centric society and in many ways more male-centric than Saudi Arabia and Iran are today.
Europeans didn't wear hijabs they wore head coverings, there is a difference in the interpretation
It’s more or less the same
You people need to learn what Hijab means. Hijab means veil in Arabic. Head covers are a form of a veil, so its pretty much the same thing.
They wear hats for the sun for thousands of years ,so all women must be forced to wear hats or else they are immoral 😅😂
@@mistermood4164t necessarily. Many headscarves kept the hair flattened and protected from the weather. It was practical, that is all. Imagine being a peasant woman with long hair who has to milk cows, cook over an open fire, work outside in the wind and rain all without proper shampoo and conditioner. Hijabs fully cover the hair, headscarves only flatten it you can still see the hair and the sides of the face and neck. The hijab is definitely more for modesty reasons.
@@tbv979 i agree but both do the same thing
Your content is unique and informative as usual .. keep going bro 😍
Habib Qalbi 😅
It's about respecting the country you're in. What europeans dislike is feeling like you're in the middle-east while walking in a European city.
As much as middle-easterners wouldn't enjoy feeling like they are in america while in their own countries. It's just cultural/national sovreignty.
Great content👍🙏
Same applies in most ancient nations like Chinese, Indian, Persian, indigenous Americans, Arabs before Islam … etc.
you can google veils in xx history to see how interesting they looks
It’d been sign for modesty and status.
Great educational video , bless many Christians including the beautiful nuns and most muslim sisters wearing there hijab , against threatening behaviour from time to time. May ALLAH bless you all for being stead in ur deen , ameen
clown
the veil was for extremely pious women that took religion extremely seriously.
values and cultures have changes with each and every single century in almost all countries on the planet.
by your stupid logic, because slavery was normal a few hundreds years ago, let's continue to practice slavery.
or because naive Americans worshipped pagan gods that demanded human sacrifice, let's not judge and continue to do the exact same thing.
or because in the past we had absolute monarchy, let's bring back an absolute ruler with ultimate unlimited power.
Ameen
This was really a “heads up” video. Thank you for your time and effort put into this video.
Why you didnt know that women used to cover their heads in the past whats that has to do with forcing them to do so and being part of a religion? Maybe muslim women should atop wearing hijab and wear it only when praying just like the bible says 😅
As a frenchwoman and a christian, I found your video really interesting. I think that the hijab upset many people for different reasons. The first, you mentionned it, the sexual revolution : veils and any religious signs of chastity and submission to men are to be banned, we're meant to be strong independant woman😅.
The second is the loss of meaning that comes through time. Especially now, with the current love of society for deconstruction, we think of the different kind of veils as a fashion statement more than anything, which would explain why most thought of nuns when reading the title of the video. Veils so covering like that are for religious woman who make the choice of an exclusive relationship with god. Seeing an hijab on a ordinary woman may seem weird because of that.
The third reason and the most important one, I believe, is that a hijab and other types of veils from muslim culture are looking different from europeans veils and hats. It is a sort of statement. When you're wearing it, you're showing that you are from a diffrerent culture. While in itself, it's not problematic, in the public area it's another story. We can say what we want, it's the same everywhere, when individuals strangers arrive in a community they don't necessary have troubles integrating themselves, they adapt their behaviors and follow the saying "À Rome, fais comme les romains". When a lot of people of the same community arrive somewhere they start living in groups, stop to adapt, and problems and dislike arise from both side from the percieved disrespect of both cultures. We see it in France where there is too much immigration coming from Africa for us to handle. More often than not, immigrants live in terrible conditions, packed together, and are exploited. The hijab is just a clear sign that you're following the rules of a different culture. And in some areas where there is a big community of immigrants or descendants of immigrants and that do not follows the french laws anymore, not wearing the veil can lead to a lot of troubles. Some women even started to wear big shirts just for the metro to avoid being harrassed because of the too revealing clothing they wear under it.
I believe that's why the hijab upset many people. It's not the veil in itself, it's everything that comes with it.
Hello Gianna, thank you for sharing your perspective however I am having trouble following your logic. What comes with wearing a veil? If people are harassing you on the bus what does that have to do with a woman wearing a veil? Those things aren't connected at all. It seems more like you don't like African culture and you are looking to destroy it piece by piece. Anyway, throughout history we have also sought to destroy cultures that we don't like through imposing restrictions, however I thought by now freedom of expression was taken for granted in Europe. I cannot understand why a woman wearing a piece of cloth is a threat to anyone.
I also don't believe you have a problem with Africans. I believe you are used to living in very good circumstances and you are looking for things to get bothered by. Those Africans have faced real barriers to survival in their countries, I think if you had experienced even a week in their life you would not be bother by such trivialities as which kind of people walk on the sidewalks and what they wear.
Anyway, I do not mean to be hostile or combative in my reply to you. However, I can't understand what your problem with Africans and people from countries with a different religion is. That seems very mean to me, although you seem like an otherwise reasonable and nice person from the way you express yourself.
I don't think I have a personnal problem with muslim or african culture. I was just trying to answer Omar's question at the end of the video if, I remember correctly : ''Why do the veil upset europeans ?'' or something like that. In doing so, I was using what I saw and heard on the subject from different sources and my own opinion on the matter.
If you want my personal feeling, there it is : like every other cultures there are things that I admire from african culture (mostly food, I'm a little glutton) and things I condamn such as the excision of women done by some. To the veil, I am indifferent. I'm well aware that not everyone coming from Africa follows the same rules and have the same culture. What annoy me are the people, from both sides, who go out of their way to harrass the ones who don't follow the rules of the other culture. The extremists of both sides. To put it more clearly, those who start harrassing women because they wear the veil or because they don't. That's on my personal level. I don't see what's mean or wrong in that.
En tout cas, thank you for your answer, I too think that you seem reasonnable and nice from the way you express yourself. ^^
@@Jerry-br6nw Ask people wearing goth cloths or face tatoos - they are looked on strange as they are seen as people in opposition to society (which is actually exactly what they want to demonstrate, but then they often are offended when others react to it if they were and it happens no to suit them at the specific moment). A woman wearing a hidjab is perceived similarly - as one in the opposition to the surounding culture and society (btw nowadays nuns, monks and priests start to get this problem too, so some prefer to go "incognito" when in public). If a muslim woman would prefer not to be perceived as "in opposition to society" she strategically would make her scarf resemble that of a cancer patient - nobody would then even dare consciously take note of it or she would make her veil suit the local customs the people still do remember in her area, by using the local patterns or lace.
@@giannaruennahel3397 Okay merci beaucoup pour la réponse ☺️ yes, that is a great perspective in my opinion.
@@giannaruennahel3397 the problem is that it is not extremists who harass Muslim veiled women in France, it is 90%of the French people.
Btw they don't only harass Muslim veiled women they discriminate Muslim men.
I am a french Muslim, I don't look "African" or "Arab" and yet on the basis of my muslim name I was discriminated at university, during my military service, job hunting, border crossing.....
You can count on your finger the number of male french Muslims working as civil servants ( police. Fire fighter, councillor, post office , SNCF, TV, customs, civil aviation, the military etc.....
It is called islamophobie.
You can dress it anyway you want, try and convince others (and even yourself) but you must know the real reason is pure hatred towards Islam.
In Poland, we used to have traditions called oczepiny, in which the bride had her wreath removed and bonnet put on on the wedding day as a sign of changing her status to married. My grandmother and great-grandmother wore headscarves and were buried with them.
As a European Latina 🇪🇺 🇵🇹 and Christian ✝️, I wear Hejab on too 🧕🏼 on my daily basis.
I don't need to be properly a "Muslim" so in order I wear an Hejab on 😒
are you trollling right now those arent hijabs. they have different names.
I saw you on multiple videos, hopefully you are not part of the demonic cult called vatican that forbid the veils and liberated the church. Btw. Hijab just means covering and noone Said you need to be muslim to wear one, but i dont know a group in which it is more strict then islam. And that's for a reason. Do you believe jesus to be god? Why so? Read just your first commentment please. Do not associate partners with god. God is 1. ☝🏻
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@@mateokarlvonpavlovic8295Hijab just means "veil" in Arabic. Its any form of veiling. Even men covering their legs is called "Hijab" in Islam.
She has every right to call her Christian veiling "Hijab" if she wants to.
Christian Arabs do the same.
@@mikidiasGood job God bless you sister. I am proud of you❤I wish to do it too
In Mexico woman use a shawl called “reboso” i remember my grandmother used one
When I studied in Moscow in 1999, you still had to wear headscarves in certain churches and monasteries. If it's still an active church or monastery, you needed one; if it's a museum, you don't need one. While we went to some places north of Moscow, we were fine at the church in Kizhi without scarves. When we went to Varlaam, our leader forgot to remind us girls to bring our scarves along, so we all had to buy one there.
This video just blowed my mind. And made me realize once more how little I still know about history
Very educational video. I’ve only become Muslim a few months ago and I have to tell my mom that women wearing hijab in Islam is not oppressive. Because there’s plenty of examples throughout history where women would cover themselves. In fact it’s not just seen in Islam, wearing some form of head covering has been seen as a way of showing modesty for both women AND men. I’ve always been a person interested in history and whenever I watched either movies or documentaries about the First World War, which as we know took place in the 1910s, you would see both men and women always appear in public wearing a hat. And it wasn’t considered to be proper to walk out in public without a hat on. But somehow it’s looked down upon if a Muslim woman wears hijab? I believe if either a man or woman wants to wear a form of head covering to show modesty they should be allowed to do so.
Wow you don’t get it huh? It’s oppressive because Islam requires you to do so. No one cares what you wear if it’s by free will. In many Islamic countries women get punished if they don’t wear hijab.
Today's media / fashion industry has objectified /influenced women so much, that they think to cover ones body is oppressive.
So in the heat, at 38/40 degrees, having to wear hijab is not oppressive? But do you know the real reason why muslim women had to wear hijab??? It has nothing to do with a god, but just with men's sexual istinct!!! 😂
*what a mistake in the Qur'an!*
Allah himself testifies that he has a son and he is the son as Christians understand it! Only the Koran writer was too ignorant to know what Son of God means! Allah's word which created everything is Allah himself too! *The Word Allahs which created everything is the Son of God according to Christianity!*
Son of God does not mean that God has a child in Christianity!
*what a mistake in the Qur'an!*
Son of God are 2 titles one referring to the Word of God and one referring to creation (humans, angels, demons)
It’s called a headscarf in Europe. No need to import Arabic words when it has nothing to do with them.
so the question is why white people can wear a headscarf but Muslim women cannot?
Hijab just means Veil or Covering. That's it. A sHeadcarf is only meant for the head, nothing else. Also this is a muslim channel. Still doesn't change the meaning.
So you use headscarf in your wedding 😂😂😂😂😂and wearing it means you or your wife is modest 😂😂😂😂
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Lmao
Someone sounds racist...as if europeans are any better🤣🤣🤣🤣 btw, I have resigned european institutions and recently denied my belgian nationality. Crappy people most of them...
Sure veil is not a problem, if you look at it as and piece of clothe but lets be real none of us modern European women will want to mandatory wear any type of veil our grandmas wear, if you see, the key word here is mandatory, dressings in traditional costumes for specific occasions? sure but it’s s our choice to pay tribute to out tradition since we have grown out of them, we have evolved, all those examples were different ways of controlling and labeling woman, are we now saying they were right just so we don’t offend people wearing veils now? no, if a friend of mine came with a veil like clothe I will never tell her to take it of because I know for sure she is wearing it because she likes it not because she thinks she has to, not because she wants to be a good daughter, not because some men created social construct, the thing is how can someone who has been raised in a culture forcing woman to wear veil, liking their value to them wearing veil, telling them not wearing the veil is a great dishonor to their whole family, how can this woman really say that she wears the veil because she wants to, and this is the same for hard core Christians, Jews and Muslims. Old Europeans condemning gay people justify todays cultures condemning gay people? No, so why should it be different for the veil.
Plus none of these super strict cover up rules along the ages were ment for men so there you have it one more hint of what was and is going on.
Furthermore European women stoping using any sort of veil is a living prof that if you stop forcing in it on women they will eventually stop wearing it
Very interesting video! but im so happy veils doesnt exist anymore in Europe (besides special events or old people). I lived in Malasyia and now I live in Indonesia and with this heat is so unconfortable for a daily life. Im not even talking about to do sport, or wearing a helmet, etc . My muslim female friend doesnt feel comfortable and many have hair and scalp problems. Im sorry, i love your videos, but i wont agree about this. Big hug, love your channel.
@@squreshi8413in quran 33:59 Allah clearly ordered prophet muhammad to ask muslim women to cover "over" their bodies...that means from head to toe..please read the quran and understand it and dont try to blame the scholars because they're not the one gave that order but blame yourself who didnt read the quran...and if you still dont want to cover "over" your body like god have ordered it's up to you but prepare yourself the consequence of disobeying god however nobody can force women to cover their body.
What a cleverly conceptualized presentation! Bringing the listener to the point of questioning personal biases.
Btw, somewhere in this video, in speaking of Roman women and their head coverings, one of the names of this garment sounded very much like the word “Palloo”, the word used to signify the part of a South Asian woman’s sari that drapes over her left shoulder. This palloo is used traditionally, to cover her head in deference to seniors.
Looking forward to more exposés of your socio-cultural wealth of knowledge.
He is manipulating, the verse he uses from the bible clearly states that the reason woman is covering her head only when praying ! is because she is inferior to man 😅
Roman women were second class citizens, that belonged to their fathers, and then to their husbands or sons.
@@petrospetromixos6962can you bring the verse where it say it's only when praying?
@@firjatulloh-r9u dont remember ithe number but i am sure it says this i remeber it very well its from paul
@@firjatulloh-r9u u can google it
This was the best video I've seen in so long. Amazing job 😍 please do more videos like this
Man, this was awesome. It was so well-researched that it was unbelievable. From a purely academic point of view, this was superb. I am a Muslim and although I knew that it was part of "European" culture for a long time, I didn't know that it was prevalent even before and during ancient Greece. Thanks a lot Omar!
also failed to mention veils fell out of fashion when women started to vote, i.e. considered equal. great analysis, no bias for sure 👍
I think it’s correlation not causation
I was sitting next to an attractive woman the other day and I found myself fixated on her luxuriant flowing locks. It made me realise why women pay so much attention to their hair; whereas when I'm in the presence of Arabic women I attend class with, their is zero sexual attraction. She could be the most beautiful woman in the world, but the clothing removes any frisson. I've read that in high trust societies, women are more able to express themselves with the confidence that they are not going to be harassed.
Since 1920 when sexual revolution came in the wake of ww1 and women in europe removed their traditional coverings, the institution of marriage is fast disappearing from these societies. Resulting in unstable families, single mother parenthoods, children out of wedlock. Society is falling apart
Marriages are the keystone of Humanity
A woman’s voice is considered awra by muslims so expressing themselves is against the concept of hijab, in addition when women are fully covered, the men become more sexually repressed and start to find what you found as non sexual as really sexual
@@abubaytnighan6480 That's a good point. I did find their voices more charming and they seem more feminine than many western women I know.
@@abubaytnighan6480it is awra when it comes to trying to make it sexy or sing but regular talk is not considered awra god created voices for us to socialize and express what we need for example when asking a seller about something take the prophets wife as an example she used to talk with the companions so this means regular talk is not considered awra
@@abubaytnighan6480Yes most rapes and sexual abuse of women happens in muslim countries because of all the oppression by religion there
This is so fascinating. So well made!! Thank you for this 👏
It may be incorrect to assume that women in Europe veiled because they "felt the need" to do so. Mind you, ancient and medieval Europe were patriarchal societies and the veiling as a signifier of status was within the context of a patriarchal system in which womens' lives were heavily controlled by men. During the industrial revolution it seems we can see the beginning of women gaining more control over their lives as the head covering gradually became more of a fashion statement and less of a necessity garment signifying modesty in order to conform to a patriarchal social order. And then they stopped wearing head coverings completely in the 20th century as society became much less patriarchal and women could choose comfort and self expression over modesty. It's interesting how this analysis starts with the ancient Greeks and Romans - we know their societies were extremely patriarchal compared to modern western society and women had basically no control over their lives except for the later Roman empire when women started being allowed to own property in certain circumstances.
Telling these women used veil and modest wear was a form of oppression because the patriarchy society at that time is just a mere assumption by the perspective of modern people.
Because while modern people think that women wearing short cloths is a freedom from the patriarchy, it might be the opposite for women from the old age if sees women now.
Because we can also put it this way : it is in a man’s nature to gain pleasure in a woman’s body. And in their time, they found it extremely hard to get it.
But now, women themselves who fought for that, and the men just sat back and enjoyed it effortlessly.
Modern people might see this as freedom from patriarchy, but maybe for them this is just the worst oppression from patriarchy. Because it is not wrong to say, the only one who wins the most by this, is a man 🤯
I would love to swear fealty to a lord who truly lives up to the title of "noble".
I guess I am backwards...
America women have slowly been sexualized to an extreme degree in their advertisements and media for decades. That was just the beginning of this long trend
Well said…😊👍
@@miltaina typical comment from an oppressive male who feels his status threatened by the notion of women having equal rights because this is what this really boils down to.
This is one of the most well written, well edited, well constructed, informative videos I’ve ever come across on youtube. Deserves views in the millions for sure. Thank you for this.
It's a silly muslim propaganda, that has nothing to do with history or reality itself.
You should watch more RUclips informative videos then. This isn't a bad video at all, but there's far, far deeper videos. Further, the video didn't spend quite enough time talking about the pagan origins of the head veil hundreds and hundreds of years before either Christianity or Islam. A head veil is ultimately pagan in nature, being used by priests and cult leaders to keep their identity more secretive. In terms of women, it was originally meant to veil them as being "controlled objects" that only certain men can look at - quite similar in function to the rationalization of a hijab found in the Quran. About the only true practical motive for a head veil is to hide one from harsh sunlight - yet this same act can also cover one's identity for legal verification...
Saw your video on TikTok. Came here to learn something new and i did. Please make more videos!😁😁
You are the next " Blogging Theology". Salam Bro.
I personally find certain outfits with veils make women very cute and wholesome. I think women should bring some of that back.
Thank you for a great history rundown ❤❤
Great analysis man! Keep up the good work!
The issue surrounding veils comes down to personal choice. If a woman wants to wear a veil, that is her own business. However many do not want to and are persecuted, attacked and killed for it. Respect and tolerance must go both ways. As long as there are women being forced to dress a certain way, there will be a negative reaction to the item of dress and religions and societies that do not allow personal autonomy.
I have first hand experience of this, being born into a very religious community where the women (and men) had strict guidelines on how to dress: clean shaven/no sideburns for men, women couldn't cut their hair, had to wear headscarf and dress or knee length skirt, no makeup, no piercings or tattoos for anyone. There were consequences for defying this and all other rules, including being ostracized and disowned from your family and community. While some women and men were happy with this lifestyle, others were not.
Regarding Europe, yes women in past eras would wear head coverings. What is not mentioned in this video is the part of European history that achieved separation between church and state, religion and politics. This happened for a very good reason, as religion was used as an oppressive force that impacted every aspect of people's lives, whether they wanted it to or not. Today secularism is part of European and western values. So is freedom of religion. The line between freedom of religious belief and expression and freedom of the individual to wear and live and believe what they want must be kept.
If any woman in a European or western country wishes to wear a hijab or dress in a certain way, and is not doing so because she is made or pressured to by her community/husband/father, then I support her. It's no one else's business.
However, you cannot have this discussion without mentioning the flip side: the fact that there are millions of women from various religions who are forced to dress and live a certain way, and face grave consequences if they do not. The most obvious and latest example being the protests in Iran.
On a broader scale beyond individual rights and freedoms, this is about a conflict of two different civilizations and value systems. As I mentioned one of the key European values is secularism. People who live in or immigrate to Europe and other western countries can keep their religion and traditions, but they must also respect the values and laws of the society they move to. Anyone who thinks this is unfair should consider the reverse. How tolerant are Islamic countries toward the non-Muslim minorities who live there? How tolerant are most Muslim majority countries toward their women who do not want to wear the hijab?
The fact is that the discrimination toward women who DO NOT want to cover their heads in Islamic countries, and the consequences they face, is far higher and more drastic than any discrimination that hijab-wearing women in Europe face. There is simply no comparison.
Despite my personal negative experiences with fundamentalist religion, I do not see religions in general as good or bad, rather a mixture of both. I am not one of those people who thinks that the absence of religion would make the world a better place (like some hardcore atheists) because that is a very simplistic mindset of someone who does not understand human nature. People with just replace one ideology with another one, as they did in Russia and China when they banned their traditional faiths and values and replaced it with communism.
Religion and faith has brought both good and bad, has been used for good and evil. Many of the most beautiful works of art and architecture are religious, and it has brought meaning and purpose to millions. However, religions have also been the cause of great misery to many. Europe countries struggled for centuries to find a balance between allowing religious expression but to prevent the overreach and destructive elements it has brought in the past. There are other parts of the world that have not gone through this evolution, many Islamic countries are theocratic with little to no separation between mosque and state. People who immigrate from these countries to Europe should be aware of the historical reasons behind modern Europe's secular values.
Can you imagine if there was a large influx of people from western countries immigrating to Islamic countries, wanting to live and dress according to western values? Conflict would be inevitable. There would be pressure to adapt to the values of the country they moved to. The problem is that this situation is currently only going one way, and European countries are blamed. Until tolerance and respect are demonstrated from both sides, for every individual, the situation will remain as it is or escalate.
Nice post, but I'm afraid it's wasted words underneath a RUclips video, my friend. Many people think like you in Europe, myself included, but our restraint is taken for weakness and, as a historian, I am convinced that within a few decades we will be wiped out by "hungry" hordes of people who could not care less about our European values. These cycles have always happened historically, and now we are tolerant and weak. They don't care about the renaissance, the enlightenment, humanism, the rule of law, human rights, etc but they just want to improve their economic conditions (which is legitimate, of course) without however abdicating those social habits ( and religious) who are the main cause of the backwardness of their countries. This in the long run will cause the very system of wealth they would like to be a part of to decay, and some form of post-modern barbarism will take its place.
@@Ingulf_The_Mad Some civilizations and empires fall from foreign invasion or other forms of existential threat. If Europe and western civilization falls it will be self inflicted suicide. A culture that cannot remember and defend its own values and loses its sense of self identity is like a person with no boundaries and sense of self: someone who is easily taken advantage of. It is the globalist politicians who have been pushing these policies for years who will ultimately be remembered in the future as those who signed the death sentence. Many times in the past, Europe was not the greatest power, yet it was able to fight off external threats because the people knew who they were, they were united by a shared culture and values (notwithstanding internal conflicts.) For example, the ancient Greek defeat of the Persian empire's invasion and the victories at Malta, Lepanto and Vienna which stopped and reversed the seemingly invincible Ottomans. When a people are united by shared values and culture, they can withstand trials and achieve great things. When those values and culture is forcibly stripped away and forgotten, what do they have left to fight for?
Best post for this video I've seen yet. Excellent response.
Very good posts, I hope more people will read them both. 👍
Growing up in brazil women used to wear veils at church but now not anymore
My grandma, a Mexican Catholic women, wore a veil over her hair and around her neck whenever she went out of the house and especially to go to church.
And so did all the other women in town. This was in Mexico, up to around 20 years ago.
Exceptionally enlightening and factual. Hats off
I veil in Church and at home for prayers (Orthodox Christian). I wish I could wear a veil in public, but I feel like it draws to much attention.
Great video Omar, really enjoyed watching this.
Interesting video, I enjoyed it. Holy week is basically the entire week of Easter, it begins with Palm Sunday and ends on Easter Sunday. It includes Holy Tuesday, Holy Thursday (day of the last supper I believe) Good Friday (crucifixion of the Lord) and ends with Easter Sunday (resurrection of the Lord). Correct me if I'm wrong. Those interesting outfits in white are garments that are worn during processions that are done throughout the Holy Week. (Typical in many Latin American countries and also especially Spain) where they have statues of the Virgin Mary and Jesus. These are performed in the city streets by specific organizations of the Catholic church. Easter is the most important holiday to Catholicism/Christianity
I think I'll call people scolding Muslim women for wearing the hijab "flappers" from now on. It sounds too funny 😅.
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as if that's an insult lmao
Great video! Yes, Christian women were instructed in Scripture to cover their heads "while praying or prophesying" (1 Corinthians 11), and the Church universally practiced this *at least* for public worship (if not more often, depending on the culture) until the latter part of the 1900s!
The 1917 Catholic Code of Canon Law actually *mandated* head covering for women during worship, and this was technically in force until the revision in 1983 as you stated (the revision simply dropped any mention of head covering - it didn't say anything about it either way). By that time, the feminist movement/sexual revolution had caused so much degeneracy in western culture that many Catholic women had abandoned head covering long before. There are many Catholic women alive today who can recall the requirement being enforced during their childhood, and then just disappearing after the cultural revolution of the '60s and '70s. Most younger/middle-aged Catholic women in the West aren't even aware of any of this, although the movement to reclaim the practice is growing, thanks be to God. The Eastern churches generally have retained it somewhat better, depending on the culture.
A very tiny minority of us are trying to practice head covering even outside worship, but we often get criticized for "looking Muslim" - um, no, we're trying to be even more radically Christian, but ironically it's the courageous example of Western Muslims that's one of our biggest supports and inspirations, so we are grateful for that!
P.S. "Holy Week" is our biggest annual celebration of the death and resurrection of Jesus, so that's pretty important. ;)
Celebration of the death of Jusus (peace be upon him) 😳😳😳
Yes, the fact that the Eastern churches have retained it's true. I'm a young Christian Orthodox woman and whenever I set foot in an Orthodox church or parish, all women have their heads covered.
I mean you’re literally admitting that your religion is dictated by cultural norms. Is this the sign of a true faith? Have you ever thought about that?
I don't understand how European women went from this go wearing bikini and free the nipples, I hope European women who still have faith to be protected and go back to right path.
@@sakurakou2009most simply do not believe in God
This is true, but also highlights how Europe has pushed the development of society, invention, industry and Democracy, leaving old norms behind. Also back then and now in certain cultures, it is men who decide or impose their values on women. Equality brings complex issues, but personal freedom for women, is something to be lauded. Interesting History though. Thank you.
Intelligent presentation with somehow shocking historical facts that i’ve never been exposed to before. Thank you for researching & preparing this video old neighbour. It’s great to see you again. بالتوفيق يا عمر
This is a great, upbeat video. One gets so tired of being harped at by Muslim scholars or people who say we are oppressed if we wear a veil. I live in a very hot climate where 110 degrees is regular summer weather and it's possible to be cool if you take the time to figure out how. A veil can be cooler than hair. Cool fabrics and not so much layering for the sake of making the hijab "attractive" works. When my mother and I used to go out we wore a scarf like Queen Elizabeth's - I'm older. Thanks again.
Just cause women used to cover their heads isnt the same with being forced to cover your head. Imagine if all men were forced to were hats like they used to wear in the past but that was fashion choice
You just literally explained that wearing such head coverings are related to the climate of the Arabic peninsula, as is the Niqab. Both pre-dated Islam. Wearing such clothes in a very different climate without massive heat and sandstorms is simply absurd.
@@petrospetromixos6962 I don't think he was talking about forcing anyone.
@@HitherandYarn hijab is forced though
@@petrospetromixos6962 Well, I was forced to wear pantyhose once upon a time in order to keep my job. How come nobody was incensed about that?? Women should be able to wear what they want.
Hi, firstly, thank you for this video. I think it was very informative. I wondered about this myself a while ago, but - as you mention yourself - the topic is not often addressed. Nevertheless, I would appreciate some further expansion of the topic focusing on the socio- economic aspect of the phenomenon. You do of course mention some crucial developments in the facts that helped this change to occur, but I feel the video, especially towards the end, opened the question, if such change from a strict following of head cover traditions towards loosening it's meaning and function to the occasional accessory in a form of a hat is due to religious or rather socio-economic reasons (in the sense of the question, if a head cover for females as mentioned in various "religions of the book" is historically speaking an essential component of the religion, or is it an element of the socio-economic structure of the societies in which these religions have first occurred - you yourself mentioned the very same practices in polytheistic societies of ancient Rome and Greece)? If the latter is true, all this opens a ton of interesting questions about how does wearing a head scarf relate to a concept of modesty in different contexts of different modern or ancient societies- and also how it is/it was perceived there. I know these are questions that are potentially way to big for this format, but your video, in my view, kind of opens the path towards them. To conclude - I was very happy to see this topic being addressed and thank you again for the video. I do think such a topic needs more discussion - but certainly not if the aim of the discussion is to accuse each other (from whatever standpoint) before anyone sincerely tries to understand what the other part is really saying.
Best,
S.
I knew about the European traditions but not that many examples. This guy dug deep.
I’m an American atheist and I’ve been a critic of hijab prohibition and Islamophobia for several years. I also have studied anthropology and history, therefore culture is very important to me. What really resonates with me on a fundamental level however, is forced conformity. If I’m doing something that doesn’t hurt anybody, you just have NO right to stop me. Starting in college I began collecting clothes and jewelry from other cultures, which I wear in public. As a western atheist, I’ve experienced Islamophobia first hand. I get accosted for wearing a djellaba, thobe or keffiyeh, because they think I’m Muslim, and that is just a tiny taste of what actual Muslims endure everyday. Take short a walk in somebody else’s shoes and you too might discover that you’re a citizen of the world.
I'm sorry for what happened to you, but 😂
So you're saying you're appropriating other peoples culture?
@@ante963as a Muslim, cultural appropriation doesn't mean just simply adapting features of some culture (it's called cultural appreciation, and it's a good thing), but using said features in a *disrespectful* way, to mock the culture, to showcase its features as a joke. From what I see in the original comment, it doesn't look like disrespect. If anything, it's actually good work, because it shows in practice the prejudice towards the culture that was showcased.
And in this case it's not even the culture we're talking about, it's about religion. Islam is for everyone, faith in general is for everyone, and in order for people to establish the truth in religion they have to dive in and experience it firsthand, there's really no way otherwise. We highly encourage people to come to us, ask anything, try on our attire, etc. As long as everything is done in a respectful way, there's no problem with appreciating one's culture and religion.
Libertarianism can be a ruse for simply being irresponsible. "If I'm not bothering you, then you don't bother me." But that's not how social darwinism works in society (or in nature, for that matter). We are all interrelated, and as such, there needs to be an analysis of all aspects of society. That doesn't mean oppression, but one cannot be blind with openmindedness.
Phobias are very serious psychological issues. They are uncontrolled responses to certain stimulae that cause panic attacks, hyperventilation, etc. They are literally the opposite of a person who is purposely driven to dislike and lash out at a particular demographic.
Not only are head veils originally an elitist form of secrecy during antiquity (see flammeum), but they obviously can be easily co-opted for a form of control and objectification of women. Yes, there are nuances to head veils that are more benign in nature, but it would be remarkably closedminded of you to not respect certain liberal societies simply denying a particular cultural custom - both because it can be difficult in legally identifying an individual, and also because the "hijab" can easily be part of oppressive aspects of totalitarian-inclined Islam. Being openminded doesn't necessitate cultural nihilism.
I think why most women stopped wearing veil in Western courtiers are the same reason how Western men stopped wearing hats when air-conditioned cars, trains and subways became widely available in the 20th century, as people don't feel the need to protect their heads from the sun heat or rain since they mostly travel in closed vehicles and work in indoor areas.
Thank you so much for this highly informative video!
Alongside this working conditions moved from primarily out doors to primarily indoors. Veils aside from modesty are practical sun cover in an era before air conditioning and sun screen. If you spend most of your time in doors as many of us now do, veils seem more extra hassle than useful.
Hours outdoor daily leads to sun damage, particularly for those of us who are pastier.
I started wearing hats and hoods/veils outdoors because I was tired of always having a red forehead.
It was just a fashion or practicality that some like islam enforced and turned into religion,thats how religious costumes are created something that is useful at some point becomes part of the religion and then people have to do it even when it has lost its usefulness. And who told this guys that Ancient Greece was free? It was great because it has ideas of freedom it was free for some it has visionaries that viewed absolute freedom example Plato first man and woman should be equal to all jobs ,todays freedom came from them but it was never free, woman was property of her father until he sold her to her husband so what are this guys try to say?
@@petrospetromixos6962 I think his main point is that veiling is not a purely Islamic tradition.
But yeah, Hollywood history and actual history often don't quite match up.
@@AmoebaInk Thats just in Athens in Sparta women had most freedoms in human history and we dont know what was happening elsewhere for sure though women had more rights than in any islamic country till very resent years. Covering didnt have the meaning of hijab women covered for the sun,wind ,rain ,bugs ,for fashion or for status or to hide grey hair (it had the opposite purpose of whats that guy is trying to give🤣🤣)usually older women were covering their heads, if they covered at all cause some didnt cover and some did it occasionally dont know what was happening everywhere but saying that covering the head is holly duty cause people did it for many reasons in the past is like saying we need to go back to using horse carriages cause people was doing that for thousands of years. His whole argument is so stupid French banned it for what it represented they didnt ban covering,if hijab is the same with coverings humans used everywhere men and women maybe muslims should replace hijab with hats
@@petrospetromixos6962 I'm less familiar with the details of Islam, but I think the point in religious circles is dressing modestly/practically, rather than in a way intended to show off or draw sexual interest. Which for women of the time would have generally involved a veil.
But I agree that some people stick too much meaning on hijabs or specific bits of clothing.
@@AmoebaInk Then umarried women shouldnt wear them and older would wear them but from what read in Sparta a woman who tied her hair was married and one that let them free wasnt i read this from literature so i dont know if its true
There’s a difference between veils and headscarves and in the period he’s talking about there were occasions where women wore veils. This was sometimes for grieving and sometimes for men and women to wear a veil/masks to hide faces ravaged by syphilis. The Greeks introduced headscarves and veils to show a women’s rank in society, so prostitutes went without any covering, slaves wore a loose headscarf, then all others wore veils. There was also a rule that a man could smash his wives teeth out if she was becoming loud or disobedient as this could we’ll be another reason women covered their faces. It was their shame if they had few teeth as it was their fault, which gives rise to the shame women have for being immodest so if we are raped, it’s our fault of course! Men’s rape has always been women’s shame, this is the residue of the patriarchal society we still live with unfortunately. The misogyny in society from men and women towards women is truly disgusting!
So true, unfortunately. And videos like this only support the sick patriarchy and misogyny.
Islam reduces Misogyny and brings peace. You are wrong when you associate oppression of women with Islam, just look back at the pagan arab world and the pagan greek world before Islam spread throughout the continents. They used to treat women horribly and Islam brought them respect, dignity, honor, rights. Both men and women have restrictions in Islam, it's not just women who have to cover themselves, men have clothing and many other restrictions as well. But these restrictions are what bring peace to a society, and protect us from corruption among outselves.
@@anaid918?? Explaining history hurts you that much snowflake
Veil was seen as moral
The big difference is the use of the veil to oppress and de-sexualise rather than to communicate status.
Both European men and women stopped wearing hats and head coverings because of industrialization (See Medium article "How Cars and Hygiene Killed the Middle-Class Hat"). It had nothing to do with birth control or sexual revolution or anything else you mentioned.
The association between veils and modesty is not universally recognized. That would only be true if we find veiling in every civilized culture all over the world all throughout history, but we do not. Veiling of common women is not historically found in East Asia, pre-Muhghal India, pre-Christian America, etc. Veiling is specific to Greco-Roman and Persian Western cultures, and as you said, it comes from the polytheists.
No reputable Christian theologian today argues that a headcover should be worn for modest dress, because they understand the common sense fact that dress codes are culturally relative, and it doesn't make sense to wear the something for modesty when the society doesn't actually recognize it as modest clothing. For example, here is the commentary on the veiling verses in 1 Corinthians 11 from BibleRef: "This restriction-so far as literal head coverings go-is unique to cultures where head covering is relevant. These words do not imply that all modern women are obligated to cover their heads. Rather, all believers-male and female-are to apply principles of modesty and common sense in their appearance."
Muslims would receive a lot less antagonism if they followed the same advice and dressed in a way that is recognized in their current culture as modest, rather than trying to force foreign / outdated standards on the society.
This is a liberal interpretation that no pre-modern Biblical scholar ever had.
It's just appealing to modernity and appealing to whims and desires.
Persian Western culture? I’m assuming this is a typo, I think you meant Graceo-Roman Western culture and Persian culture
@@lurdkatmin3298 Where are veils in Chinese and Japanese culture? Where are the veils in native American culture? Again, there is no universal consensus that veils are associated with modesty. This is a culturally subjective belief that originally comes from Western polytheism, like the video said.
@@SxVaNm345 Depends on your perspective. In China and India, Iran is to the west, in Europe it is to the east.
@@uristis
I have seen traditional Chinese and Japanese dress with veils, Native Americans and other hunter gatherer peoples not so much, as they didn't really have the material to do that.
But other ways of mate guarding have always been implemented, like for example gender segregation. Even most of the hunter gatherer peoples had strict gender segregation, like the women congregated in a separate tent.
May Allah bless you always and grant you all the happiness in life InshAllah Ya Rab ❤❤❤😊
This is one of the best RUclips videos out there 👏 so informative, so well written and edited! The whole world needs to see it.
In traditional bavarian clothes, headdresses in form of either hats or headcloth aren't included.
But the use of headcloths was done since essentially forever, mostly for field and stablework. After all, having to wash long hair cause theres sand in it takes a ton of effort compared to having to wash a headcloth.
Great history, not too sure a head covering is called a veil.... but yes Allahumabaarik decency and covering used to be the norm
Subhan’Allah! Sometimes the TRUTH is stranger than fiction.
it is not true. northern europe never did this sh1t. they when nude ALL summer.
May Allah bless you for making this video! I have been trying my best to do the same with sharing knowledge from history etc to bring awareness. It’s great how much you condensed in short amount of time . Thank you so much and will be sharing to the ones I’ve been repeating myself 10 years , as you said how much more do I need to show?
Allah guides whom he wills but I never stop trying to do my best do help others understand
Jazak Allah khair
SubhanAllah, You gave us so many facts. May Allah bless you brother Omar
Absolute BS - Europeans never wore hijabs! Covering one's head does NOT equate a hijab! The point about the hijab is NOT the piece of cloth, it's the way it is worn - which differs among different Islamic societies - and the social implications! A woman wearing a scarf over her head in Russia when she goes to an orthodox church is a completely different thing from a hijab.
To equate the 2 is simply ridiculous. The hijab is used to set Muslim and non-Muslim women apart. It is also intended to distinguish men and women. Women NOT wearing the hijab are automatically seen as "worthless kufars".
The obligation for women to wear a chador, in Iran, introduced when the Mullah dictatorship took over - totally absent before - and the protests by women against this obligation shows that the oppression of women by such obligations is very real and has nothing to do with western countries.
It's quite sufficient to enumerate a few verses from the Quran or the Hadiths about how Islam views women to understand that any form of veil for women is a way to degrade them and assign them a lower social status.
Excellent video bro.
This video shouldn't be veiled but revealed to all!
Absolutely beautiful brother your research has shown once again that you can try to bury history bend history but history is history and those with clean hearts will always find the truth keep going this video was is so powerful that I've saved to pass on to other people
Headscarves were very popular in the hippie era.
I also remember in the sixties and seventies, a lot of women used to wear them over curlers during the day.
No need to go so far away in time. My granny used to put "veil" in her head and neck when she going to church and sometime when shopping. And I'm talking about 40-50 years ago. In south Italy old women still use it
I'm pretty sure that the rule about head covering in church changed with or soon after Vatican 2, and not as late as stated in this video. I was never required to wear a hat or veil in church, but many of the older ladies did. Some women still do - and others have adopted the practice of wearing a veil in church. Also, not every order of nuns wears veils and some orders leave it up to the individual Sister. Again, this is something that started to change after Vatican 2. Some orders do not require the veil any longer, and some orders don't even wear a habit at all. Other orders do wear habits and veils of various kinds.
The late British Prime Minister William Gladstone said in 1894
"The situation in the East will not improve until the hijab is removed from the woman and cover up the Quran with it"
What did he mean by ‘improve’?
Thank you for sharing this great research brother. It was very eye opening and I hope it can be of some comfort and provide encouragement to all those chaste, pious women who are still clinging on to the veil for all the right reasons. May Allah reward you with goodness.
It’s a fashion statement in that time obviously in Europe. Every culture has different meaning of head covering.
No, it wasn’t about fashion initially. Farmers in the 1800s country side couldn’t care less about fashion lol. It comes from the Bible and also is something in human nature that people naturally sense, hence why it’s been a thing in almost every culture around the world.
@@marias6583 ha lol. Like every country has same lifestyle during that era. Peasant…
It shows how easy ppl leaving their own tradition without they even realize. Thats pretty crazy
Thank you for your work. Very insightful.
This was done so well I subscribed.