So glad to see this vid finally come out. So many people underestimate Maul and even believe Grevious to be close if not superior to him even though all his "Losses" have great context to them.
@@KeyIssues That's exactly what I've been saying lol. Maul never ran from a fight unless someone like Savage was injured, Grevious ran at every opportunity and he only killed Mother Talzin when she was occupied with Palpatine and Dooku😭
Many will quickly turn to Dooku using force lightening. Yet Vader never uses force lightening in canon either and few would say that Dooku is superior to Darth Vader. Maul gets so underestimated.
Dooku as a Jedi was in the top 3 always being compared to Yoda and Mace who are both a tier above Maul. Then he became stronger when he learned the dark side and has bodied Kenobi and Anakin multiple times which Maul seems to always has a hard time trying to beat. Dooku with his force lightning is probably the least of Maul’s worries. Dooku is a better duelist, more experienced, more level headed and arguably stronger in the force.
Darth Vader used to be my favorite, but watching Maul's journey after his return, he's clearly the superior Sith. He even did what Vader failed to do, become his own man. He went from being Sidious's apprentice to becoming a crime lord and shadow ruler of Mandalore
I always had the feeling that Maul is Superior to Dooku in canon All this time I saw content telling me otherwise Glad to at last see a video which confirm what I was thinking about this topic
Sidious also brought and sparked TWO lightsabers to fight Maul when he only used 1 against Fisto, Windu, Tiin and Kolar. Showing he thought of Maul as a bigger threat than all 4 Jedi Masters.
sidious sparked two to fight both of the brothers and used a fighting style best suitable against them. as he also did against the 4 jedi when he also got overpowered by windu. maul is great but in no way is stronger than windu
@@farikoliquidz4606No Mace would best Maul in a one on one duel with no destractions like the fight Maul had with Windu And Secura that lasted like five seconds yeah.
Awesome vid Key Issues; I had watched a ton of your vids around when Endgame came out, but had fallen out of the powerscaling scene from then til a few months ago. It's great seeing you cover SW characters more often :) keep up the great work
Such a god tier video that Garrick just made Maul my favourite SW character alongside Luke … granted it’s only two spots up but Vader and Obi are top tier af.
I adore Darth Maul he’s probably the best written character in the clone wars series and he’s always been one of my favorite Sith Lords. Obi-Wan Kenobi is my favorite character though and I really want to see what his scale in power is in comparison to Maul and everybody else. Any chance you could do a video on him next my guy?
It really erks me when people write write off darth maul as some kinda second rate villain, sure he wasn’t as explosively in tuned with the force like vader and sidious but he was far above average. His arrogance was his biggest weakness not his abilities, he just pulled all his power into his body to amplify his physical abilities making him a force to be reckoned with in lightsaber duels. But that doesn’t mean his outward abilities were completely lacking, sure we don’t see him shooting lightning but in the clone wars show he moved a huge space ship like 6x bigger than a tie fighter when he needed to, and I believe had he given the effort he could have learned lightning, maybe not like sidious but dooku level at the very least.
Also while i wont know until i get through the vid, my thought on why hes so powerful but loses so often is because his mindset makes him prone to losing. Just as Vader's mindset makes him destined to be conflicted and self loathing, Maul's mindset made him destined to be self defeating and arrogant in his moments of victory. And he only realizes this at the very end, after Ben Kenobi struck him down in seconds.
i admire the research you did with this. all good points. btw i never saw the significance of dooku going for obi wan and tiplee before now, well done pointing that out. it should be factored in too that aayla secura is more boastworthy than previously thought after she has been depicted in a comic early this year duelling ventress to a stalemate.
The one thing I'll say is that Maul is never able to conjure Force Lightning. This is probably due to the fact that the majority of his training focused on becoming an incredibly formidable duelist and well, it paid off. I believe that had Maul killed Obi Wan without toying with him, Sidious would've had begun to develop his Force powers.
In the old canon he was described as being the best sith duelist in canon even surpassing sidious since sidious was a force heavy user. He also crafted two perfect synthetic crystals far beyond the quality of most sith. But Disney through all that in the garbage.
Fantastic Video! Would you consider doing Kylo Ren next? A villain who is highly underrated and considered weak by fans yet surprisingly powerful considering his feats. Thanks
The sad thing about maul was that we never got to see his full potential of him and i think maybe he could be more powerful then darth sidious if he didn’t get cut in half. Darth Maul was a true apprentice of palpatine ( not like count dooku )that if he lasted longer he may been able to kill him but after anakin was introduced to seen, maul was going to be replaced no one had more potential then the chosen one. And that even without training for around a decade he was so strong is amazing The one thing I disagree with the take that obi wan was weaker in there 1st fight there are many variables that could affect how obi wan didn’t do as well, such as fighting his masters killer. In the end tho the reason obi wan won so many of his duals isn’t because he had the most power or the most potential it was because he was so smart and calm in his fight’s, I think a lot of people don’t understand that. Both obi wan and darth maul are my top 2 favourite characters so thank you for making a great video on maul and could you make a video on obi wan, please. I think that rebels obi wan is equal to Darth Vader or just a bit weaker
@@KeyIssues Keep theses breakdowns coming bro.If you do a fallow up you can talk about the reason why Maul was confident in killing Anakin in season 7.
When Sidious called Maul his young apprentice it wasn't just because Sidious was old and he was younger but Maul was 22 years old during TPM and was 3 years younger than Obi-Wan Kenobi.
In short: Darth Maul is one of the best (and my all time favourite) Star Wars characters and an insane character arc. (Plus his Soundtrack is absolutely epic!) In my opinion it was mainly Obi-Wans Plot Armor and a bit Mauls slight arrogance and taunting that led to his fall into the pit and his "defeats" years after. His time on Lotho Minor only proves how incredibly powerful he was in the force, even with his sanity lost he was able to hold junk together to form legs only with the force, for years. The fact alone that Sidious doesn't send a henchman to deal with Maul and Savage but instead goes to Mandalore in person shows how much of a threat they are to his cause and how strong Maul actually is. In the battle Ahsoka vs Maul it's often overlooked that Maul didn't want do defeat Ahsoka, although he could've easily, he wanted her to join him and help him. And even after that, without a lightsaber and only with the force he slashed his way through hallways of Clones. Even in rebels, way past his prime, Maul took on the Inquisitors and demolished them with ease. In overall power only Sidious is slightly above Maul and so many fans definetely don't appreciate Maul enough. I'd also like to add that Ray Park with his jumps and stunts and Sam Witwer with his chilling voice both did an absolutely amazing job at portraying him.
Honstely Maul wouldve still lost if he found Obi-wan the first day he landed he wouldve been facing a Master who has long since commenced his journey to becoming 1 with the force the duel wouldve probably been alot longer but ended the same with Maul seeing the chance to kill him just like his master except he was facing a foe who long since forgave and forgot this foe and cuts him down honorably
Sith don't just train anyone in there ways Sedious saw something in Maul to would want to even spend valuable time training him hard the way he did.....That should tell star wars fans enough where his potential is.
I think personally if Maul reached his full potential and didn’t get his legs cut off he would definitely be more powerful then Sidous . I think that he will become a beast with night sister Magic’s combined with his sith force etc .. definitely quite OP and super Uber ! Remember Lucas’s original plans he wanted darth maul to be the next sith lord and ruler after sidious and darth talon as his apprentice who is like Vader. Whereby Luke and Leila will have to battle both talon and Maul… hence Leila is the real chosen one ..
Yo orin for me i think maul losing his legs made him more powerful because of his hate for obi wan i just dont think he lost potentiel he just went a step back
@@mag8138 yeah I see , but filoni and others state that maul was still rusty and hence not as good as he once was ie a shell of his former self and Obi had more of an advantage over him but Maul still managed to get thru.
I agree with literally everything you said... Especially the part about the cringee solo hater fans. Solo was f****** fire and I will die on this hill.
just goes to show you how Dooku was (in my opinion) the hardest nerfed character from legends to canon. legends Dooku was an absolute monster when it came to not only dueling, but also force ability.
@@hellothere-bx8cf1. In Legends as a Jedi Initiate he beyond easily telekenetically lifted a plant that weighed many hundreds of pounds and he was like seven years old or younger when he did that while most force users his age could barely lift leafs without struggling. 2. As a Jedi Initiate he above simply won force duels in competitions and tournaments at nine years old based on combating other force users based on force shields, force barriers, telekinesis, and force senses he was so good at it that he was the only student Yoda would not let win and out some effort into beating. 3. His potential in the force was so super high that Yoda desired to train him one on one personally and his potential in the force being enigmatic even for Yoda to comprehend Yoda did not even see this same potential in Windu and Yoda only refused the training of Anakin because Anakin was too old when he went to the order if not either Yoda or Dooku would of trained Anakin. Plus Plagueis saw Dooku as a insurance apprentice if Sidious did not go according to plan while he did not see that with Maul even before his defeat, Sifo Dyas even before he got offed, Nor Qui Gon even before he got the sentence to the netherealm. Plus Sidious had Dooku in mind even before Mauls defeat and saw Maul in reality as a assassin like Asajj And Grievous although more powerful while he saw Dooku as a true ally a equal from the other camp already trained in the jedi arts, a master duelist, and a skilled diplomat. 4. Was considered by Yoda to be the Jedi the most learned in the ways of the force, the orders strongest student, and the orders greatest failure(Lost For Leaving The Order) he said this in front of the entire council including Windu during times of Clone Wars implying that Jedi Master Dooku was more powerful then and higher potentialed then everyone in the order except Yoda And Anakin the latter when it comes to potential only yeah. 5. Sidious seeing Jedi Master TPM Dooku as his equal in power, skill, and political and governmental acumen a Sidious that became far more powerful after murdering Plagueis he thought this in his mind. 6. Was the second leading expert on Telekenesis in the Jedi Order after Yoda as a Jedi Master that he taught classes on the power upper then easily lifting all the council chairs and other heavy furniture in rapid succession. 7. Was so good at force speed and force reflexes that he was either tied with Yoda or slightly below Yoda around TPM Circa with Windu either being his equal or slight beneather. 8. Force healing was so good that he easily could heal himself of even the most harmful of poisons and diseases second only to Yoda in the order. 9. Best user of Tutiminus in the order most likely since he was taught directly by Yoda and said to be the most learned in the ways of the force after Yoda. 10. Likely was the second best in the order with telepathy, beast control, battle meditation, force self levitation, force illusions, etc. 11. As a sith within five years of his tutoring under Sidious he became a high tier Master of the dark side with force lightning, don moch, teleportation, force cage, doppelganger, force rage, and plenty of more powers force drain as well as que tech.
I think a few of your arguments are a little disingenuous. Vader comparing that fighting style to sidious's is probably because sidious trained maul in lightsaber combat and not because she necessarily rivals him. Maul being able to kill clones when the Jedi couldn't in order 66 isn't good enough of a feat to bring up since the Jedi would've been completely caught off guard at their allies turning against them while it was just another Tuesday for maul. There's a lot of feats putting Vader on a level above maul and claiming maul wasn't in his right mind against obi wan in rebels while not pointing out Vader was the same way against ahsoka is pretty fallacious. I also think it would've been better for you to elaborate more on count dooku's scaling (feats statements stuff like that) to get a more concrete analysis on where they should scale to one another, it seemed like you cherry picked a bit in that segment. I do however think your analysis of obi wan and maul's scaling was well thought out and in depth which I appreciate
1. I didn't make that claim. I just said he was very good at training Qi'ra to the point she could contend with Vader. 2. Many Jedi had the opportunity to fight and survive but died with their lightsabers in hand. Not all were caught completely off-guard. 3. Vader IS in his right mind when fighting Ahsoka. It's stated by Filoni himself. 4. This isn't a Dooku video.
@@KeyIssues point was her being good at fighting and having a similar style to sidious is specifically because maul was trained by sidious and would have a similar style which was the main point of what I said. it's been stated numerous times that towards the end of the clone wars the jedi's abilities and mental states were clouded by the dark side and even if some Jedi fought back it's disingenuous to argue they wouldn't be mentally prepared for what happened. Filoni said that Vader was actively trying to kill ahsoka because he felt she was a threat due to being a reminder of Anakin, Vader is not very sound of mind during many instances where something or someone reminds him of Anakin as his perception of his new and old identity cause him to be conflicted. I never stated it was supposed to be a dooku video but there's evidence that makes your claims of maul's blatant superiority to dooku pretty contentious which is why I thought it wouldn't been better to bring those statements and feats up to prove your point better
@@artofcujo You're argument for Vader not being in the right state of mind while fighting Ashoka i feel is very weak. If Filoni himself stated Vader was attempting to kill ashoka and he showcased no feelings of confliction but simply rage, (Which is common for Vader all the time), then simply assuming he was conflicted based on no statements or anything proving otherwise is very weak imo.
@@jasonsjustbetter2037 I don't mean conflicted in the sense that he doesn't have the resolve to kill ahsoka, but in the sense that whenever Vader gets reminded of Anakin (through instances like this where he sees someone close to him from his past) his state of mind changes to an extent due to him not thinking as rationally due to his anger. We see instances in the comics where his old feelings and his reaction to snuff them out when coming in contact with shit from his past causes him to act and think differently from how he does normally, and at one point he even flat out betrays palpatine by letting one of padme's body doubles go because of his past connections. There's simply more instances where reminders of Vader's past life as Anakin causes him to think and act differently than there are instances otherwise. A way better example is in the Kenobi show where Vader is basically bloodlusted the entire time because he's consumed with killing Kenobi and killing one more link to his past
I like the turn you’re taking to make more Star Wars videos. However, I do have some issues with the general scaling. Power in the Star Wars universe is just not linear. Especially in regards to the force. Anyway I’m not here to make pointed critiques I think your content is great.
@Chase Parsons It’s not linear, but it’s also just fairly inconsistent all around since we got the Disney canon. Do you disagree with his Maul scaling? :)
@@mcsquigg37massively mainly in regards to how he somehow pulled the ridiculous conclusion that maul>=sidious>yoda>mace>anakin>dooku I’m terms of duelling which is just insane
Sith were always meant to be much stronger than the jedi considering the power. In TPM Maul had the upper hand against a jedi master and his apprentice together but later on he even gets defeated by normal jedi. They nerfed him more and more over time, especially when Disney took over. George Lucas had even planned to have Maul as the main antagonist in the sequels. As an apprentice of Sidious, the sequels could have been perfect with his return. Dave Filoni sometimes lacks George Luca's vision
I love this guy's breakdowns on these characters. I wonder if he'd ever do a general grievous video, I've always wondered how he ended up a spiderbot with 4 Jedi sabers
Filoni said something like that Maul could dispatch Kenobi but to what extend, Kenobi could be Force ghost similar to how it happened with Vader vs Kenobi
You need to make a video about how strong Obi-Wan is as he is one of the strongest Jedi and you have used him as an example in this video and previously to show how strong other characters are.
Who wins ahsoka vs maul. I think it's ahsoka, since she went up against a prime buffed vader and performed very well. A vader old man obi wan lost too and old man obi wan defeated maul easily. Ahsoka and maul also performed equally against inquisitors in my book. Thank you and I love your content. Also Please make a video on how powerful is obi wan if you don't mind.
@@pixel3042 Yes, but even still, that makes her relative to Maul at least which puts her at the ver least scaling to Jedi high council level duelists, which I disagree with
@@pixel3042He really wasn't he wanted Ahsoka by his side so he took it easy it looked like he was using 40 percent of his power not gonna lie and Ahsoka also was just trying to capture Maul but it looked like she was really trying...I think one reason he wanted Ahsoka by his side was because he knew the simular parallels in there lives..you know what they say opposites attract...she would have joined him if he did not say he wanted to kill Anakin..Imagine if he kept that to himself 😮
After Talzin gave him a power boost he was on Vader's level, but if he hadn't so fully let the Dark Side cloud his mind and become so hung up on petty revenge, I believe that in time, with the proper training he could have begun to approach Rick The Door Technicians level of power.
@@ObnoxiousGhastweird roast, but yeah, not quite on the same level, though according to Dave Filoni, in same realm during Rebels, so they couldn't have been far apart in power.
@@daunknown1684 they would have to be quite far apart, Maul with all his hubris and pride, admitted he couldn't defeat Vader ("I cannot defeat Vader alone" is what he said specifically) and Maul always tends to underestimate all his opponents, so for him to acknowledge he can't beat Vader, at least not alone would mean Vader would have to be considerably more powerful than him.
@@ObnoxiousGhast well, we have no context as to why Maul said that line. It was only implied he and Vader had fought and Maul certainly did not deem himself as victorious. However, Vader is rather not the guy that allows you to survive and Maul was still alive to tell the tale, which, provided they actually fought, implies he was at least powerful enough to walk out in one piece.
I think that it is also important to note that Dooku should be weaker at the end of the clone wars than he was at the start. As he is only getting older which isn't helped by the dark side degradation he suffers. Does this make AOTC Dooku stronger than Maul? I don't know. But i feel is important to note. But this is a great video reguardless.
Dooku learnt how to use the darkside on his own, his sith alchemy which he learnt from sidious is in the same league as maul but the latter was the most trained sith in the orders history. Quigon and mace were roughly in the same league as jedi/sith dooku, maul has beaten both Jedi once during tpm and son of dathomir.
Where do you find information such as at 34:21? And is there a collected place where you can for example find out about what dave filoni also said about him?
Styles make fights, if its defense is needed Obi-Wan, if its offense is needed then Maul, because they both are tier 8 according to Nick Gillard. Gillard's rankings: Tier 9: Sidious, Yoda Tier 8: Maul, Dooku, Episode 3 Obi-Wan, Mace Windu (bordering tier 9) , Episode 3 Anakin (bordering tier 9) Tier 7: Episode 1&2 Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, Kit Fisto Tier 6: Episode 2 Anakin
@Key Issues unless it wasn't retconned wasnt it stated sidious only trained maul like an assassin and didn't give him real sith training so he was only at a fraction of what he could have been if sidious trained him fully?
If Siduous didn't hold back Maul's force potential, (with his mostly physical Sith Assassin training) Maul would've been a Darkside power to rival Anakin.
In Legends Mauls potential was nowhere near Sidious it was higher then most force users and his physical abilities and unarmed combat skills as well as his double bladed lightsaber skills were top notch but in terms of potential based on most sources Yoda, Sidious, Plagueis, Dooku, Mace, The Skywalkers, The Mereks, The Solos Under Leias line and the force deities had a higher midichlorian count then Maul did but Mauls count was still higher then Vitiate, Revan, Bane, Qui Gon, Obi Wan, Plo Koon, Shaak Ti, Yaddle, Aayla Secura, Depa Bellaba, Traya, Nihilus, Racka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, Zannah, Malgus, Tenebrous, Adi Gahlia, Yarael Poof, Luminara, Bariss, Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar, Ki Adi Mundi, Rahm Kota, Sensee Tin, Grievous, Durge, Asajj Ventress and everybody else though so Mauls potential was no joke he still had a handful of people that surpass his counters yeah.
Eh, not sure between Maul and Dooku. Maybe because of Dookus age Maul would have an advantage but i think a younger and in his prime Dooku could take Maul. Dooku, even at his advanced age, fought Yoda to a draw. I know had they continued Yoda ultimately would have win but that is still very impressive considering Yoda was the best Jedi duelist of his time. I personally think Dooku was slightly better as a duelist then Windu. In fact i would say Dooku is one of the best pure duelists of all time. I think only Vader, Yoda and Sideous (probably Luke too) are above him but i think he could hang with anyone else. He made Obi Wan look like a chump twice so hes definitely a beast.
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Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down
Finally
Darth maul has got to be one of the best characters in the franchise
I never gave Maul the credit for how good he is with the force or lightsaber skills! He’s more than formidable. Thanks for the video!
No doubt!
So glad to see this vid finally come out. So many people underestimate Maul and even believe Grevious to be close if not superior to him even though all his "Losses" have great context to them.
Grievous is a BUM
@@KeyIssues That's exactly what I've been saying lol. Maul never ran from a fight unless someone like Savage was injured, Grevious ran at every opportunity and he only killed Mother Talzin when she was occupied with Palpatine and Dooku😭
There are also a lot of similarities between Maul and Vader.
its cuz nerds r nitpicking every little detail, maul is a middle tier character he loses a lot
@@ssadq cope
I’ve said it for years, Maul is a beast and is capable of incredible feats. He just gets in his own way
Many will quickly turn to Dooku using force lightening. Yet Vader never uses force lightening in canon either and few would say that Dooku is superior to Darth Vader.
Maul gets so underestimated.
More like Maul got super buffed in canon
I'm pretty sure that Vader can't use force lightning because his suit has a build-in weakness to lightning
Pixel304 that and I’m pretty sure it’s been stated that your hands need to be living flesh in order to use force lightning.
Dooku as a Jedi was in the top 3 always being compared to Yoda and Mace who are both a tier above Maul. Then he became stronger when he learned the dark side and has bodied Kenobi and Anakin multiple times which Maul seems to always has a hard time trying to beat. Dooku with his force lightning is probably the least of Maul’s worries. Dooku is a better duelist, more experienced, more level headed and arguably stronger in the force.
This video made me view Maul on a completely different level. Great analysis
Another one successfully converted to the church of Maul
@@KeyIssues always considered maul to just be a sith assassin and not too strong just lucky but this video also changed my mind, awesome video
@@Zeptic11 thanks!
Darth Vader used to be my favorite, but watching Maul's journey after his return, he's clearly the superior Sith. He even did what Vader failed to do, become his own man. He went from being Sidious's apprentice to becoming a crime lord and shadow ruler of Mandalore
Thank you that's what I'm saying
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I always had the feeling that Maul is Superior to Dooku in canon
All this time I saw content telling me otherwise
Glad to at last see a video which confirm what I was thinking about this topic
Sidious also brought and sparked TWO lightsabers to fight Maul when he only used 1 against Fisto, Windu, Tiin and Kolar. Showing he thought of Maul as a bigger threat than all 4 Jedi Masters.
sidious sparked two to fight both of the brothers and used a fighting style best suitable against them. as he also did against the 4 jedi when he also got overpowered by windu. maul is great but in no way is stronger than windu
@@suleviys3023maul spinning back kicks windus bald head off his shoulders
@@farikoliquidz4606No Mace would best Maul in a one on one duel with no destractions like the fight Maul had with Windu And Secura that lasted like five seconds yeah.
@@matthewmann8969lol
Fun fact: In legends Maul beat a armed Yuuzhan vong warrior with nothing but his bare hands...
And he was blinded for part of the fight too…
Awesome vid Key Issues; I had watched a ton of your vids around when Endgame came out, but had fallen out of the powerscaling scene from then til a few months ago. It's great seeing you cover SW characters more often :) keep up the great work
Appreciate you! Welcome back
Such a god tier video that Garrick just made Maul my favourite SW character alongside Luke … granted it’s only two spots up but Vader and Obi are top tier af.
Maul and Zong are both legends in my book
The editing in this video was fire🔥
THANK YOU! It took soooo long
@@KeyIssuesIt definitely payed off. You did a great job
I adore Darth Maul he’s probably the best written character in the clone wars series and he’s always been one of my favorite Sith Lords. Obi-Wan Kenobi is my favorite character though and I really want to see what his scale in power is in comparison to Maul and everybody else. Any chance you could do a video on him next my guy?
It really erks me when people write write off darth maul as some kinda second rate villain, sure he wasn’t as explosively in tuned with the force like vader and sidious but he was far above average. His arrogance was his biggest weakness not his abilities, he just pulled all his power into his body to amplify his physical abilities making him a force to be reckoned with in lightsaber duels. But that doesn’t mean his outward abilities were completely lacking, sure we don’t see him shooting lightning but in the clone wars show he moved a huge space ship like 6x bigger than a tie fighter when he needed to, and I believe had he given the effort he could have learned lightning, maybe not like sidious but dooku level at the very least.
I love how much you give Maul credit with all different sources.
But you gotta give the count some love too man c:
Yeah I feel like he’s highly underestimating Dooku
@@polartang250he uses legends quotes to undermine dooku then ignores the legends quotes that give dooku the edge…
5:50 important to note, he had just been running across a dessert while maul was on his swoopbike.
Also while i wont know until i get through the vid, my thought on why hes so powerful but loses so often is because his mindset makes him prone to losing. Just as Vader's mindset makes him destined to be conflicted and self loathing, Maul's mindset made him destined to be self defeating and arrogant in his moments of victory. And he only realizes this at the very end, after Ben Kenobi struck him down in seconds.
Darth Maul has got to be the best design of any semi-modern star wars character.
Hey! My tweet is here! 22:07 Nice to see someone using sources of Maul's fight against Sidious outside CV and Discord.
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There’s a reason Lucas wanted Darth Maul to be the Endgame villain of Star Wars.
Literally
Exactly
Dang what
@@sd300zthe sequel saga was gonna be centered around maul’s crime family and how they overtook the galaxy after sidious dies.
Best one of explaining Mauls power yet!
Appreciate it!
i admire the research you did with this. all good points. btw i never saw the significance of dooku going for obi wan and tiplee before now, well done pointing that out. it should be factored in too that aayla secura is more boastworthy than previously thought after she has been depicted in a comic early this year duelling ventress to a stalemate.
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The one thing I'll say is that Maul is never able to conjure Force Lightning. This is probably due to the fact that the majority of his training focused on becoming an incredibly formidable duelist and well, it paid off. I believe that had Maul killed Obi Wan without toying with him, Sidious would've had begun to develop his Force powers.
There's guides stating that Maul can use Force Lightning.
He can use force lightning he just chooses not to
In the old canon he was described as being the best sith duelist in canon even surpassing sidious since sidious was a force heavy user.
He also crafted two perfect synthetic crystals far beyond the quality of most sith.
But Disney through all that in the garbage.
You should do a Ventress video, her power is largely unknown to the wider fandom.
Trueeee
@@KeyIssuesPlease do the Ventress Video🙏
I really like Maul, Sam Witwer did an amazing job playing him.
This video is the most detailed analysis ever.....
Agree!
Love the video and the w editing got me at the leg kick 😹
Thank you! I liked that part too
Fantastic Video! Would you consider doing Kylo Ren next? A villain who is highly underrated and considered weak by fans yet surprisingly powerful considering his feats. Thanks
I’m working on it
Awesome video man
Thanks!
The sad thing about maul was that we never got to see his full potential of him and i think maybe he could be more powerful then darth sidious if he didn’t get cut in half. Darth Maul was a true apprentice of palpatine ( not like count dooku )that if he lasted longer he may been able to kill him but after anakin was introduced to seen, maul was going to be replaced no one had more potential then the chosen one. And that even without training for around a decade he was so strong is amazing
The one thing I disagree with the take that obi wan was weaker in there 1st fight there are many variables that could affect how obi wan didn’t do as well, such as fighting his masters killer. In the end tho the reason obi wan won so many of his duals isn’t because he had the most power or the most potential it was because he was so smart and calm in his fight’s, I think a lot of people don’t understand that.
Both obi wan and darth maul are my top 2 favourite characters so thank you for making a great video on maul and could you make a video on obi wan, please. I think that rebels obi wan is equal to Darth Vader or just a bit weaker
Rebels Obi-Wan is far weaker then both Vader and Maul
I honestly didn’t know how lucky Obi Wan is in all his fights where he beats people stronger than him due to pure luck or them holding back/nerfed lol
But tbf they do a terrible job showing that Maul is that powerful
it's pretty much every fight he's in
@@KeyIssueshe's still an incredible duelist tho
Finally. Now people will stop hating on my favorite sith.
That’s the plan
@@KeyIssues Keep theses breakdowns coming bro.If you do a fallow up you can talk about the reason why Maul was confident in killing Anakin in season 7.
Qui Gon should've stayed around until ROTS, would've been great to see Liam Nesson and Christopher Lee fight each other on screen.
That woulda been sick but would’ve taken away from Anakin’s story
I SAID RIGHT FOOT CREEP OUUU
look around stay low
Maul the 🐐
When Sidious called Maul his young apprentice it wasn't just because Sidious was old and he was younger but Maul was 22 years old during TPM and was 3 years younger than Obi-Wan Kenobi.
No he was 3 years older actually, obi wan was 19 like anakin in aotc
@@MrNormal321 bruh. Kenobi was 34 years old in AOTC
I’m not positively sure if maul is rivaling Palpatine anytime soon but yeah, he’s one of the strongest Sith in his time for sure. Good video as always
A surprise to be sure ,but a welcome one
Darth Maul always been my favorite character since I was like 5 years old when I first saw the phantom menace and read a star wars anpysclapida
In short: Darth Maul is one of the best (and my all time favourite) Star Wars characters and an insane character arc. (Plus his Soundtrack is absolutely epic!)
In my opinion it was mainly Obi-Wans Plot Armor and a bit Mauls slight arrogance and taunting that led to his fall into the pit and his "defeats" years after.
His time on Lotho Minor only proves how incredibly powerful he was in the force, even with his sanity lost he was able to hold junk together to form legs only with the force, for years.
The fact alone that Sidious doesn't send a henchman to deal with Maul and Savage but instead goes to Mandalore in person shows how much of a threat they are to his cause and how strong Maul actually is.
In the battle Ahsoka vs Maul it's often overlooked that Maul didn't want do defeat Ahsoka, although he could've easily, he wanted her to join him and help him. And even after that, without a lightsaber and only with the force he slashed his way through hallways of Clones. Even in rebels, way past his prime, Maul took on the Inquisitors and demolished them with ease.
In overall power only Sidious is slightly above Maul and so many fans definetely don't appreciate Maul enough.
I'd also like to add that Ray Park with his jumps and stunts and Sam Witwer with his chilling voice both did an absolutely amazing job at portraying him.
Honstely Maul wouldve still lost if he found Obi-wan the first day he landed he wouldve been facing a Master who has long since commenced his journey to becoming 1 with the force the duel wouldve probably been alot longer but ended the same with Maul seeing the chance to kill him just like his master except he was facing a foe who long since forgave and forgot this foe and cuts him down honorably
True but the fight would of been longer even if Maul lost yeah.
Sith don't just train anyone in there ways Sedious saw something in Maul to would want to even spend valuable time training him hard the way he did.....That should tell star wars fans enough where his potential is.
Gave maul that Gok Gok treatment this episode
he's right
I think personally if Maul reached his full potential and didn’t get his legs cut off he would definitely be more powerful then Sidous . I think that he will become a beast with night sister Magic’s combined with his sith force etc .. definitely quite OP and super Uber !
Remember Lucas’s original plans he wanted darth maul to be the next sith lord and ruler after sidious and darth talon as his apprentice who is like Vader.
Whereby Luke and Leila will have to battle both talon and Maul… hence Leila is the real chosen one ..
Yo orin for me i think maul losing his legs made him more powerful because of his hate for obi wan i just dont think he lost potentiel he just went a step back
But yes i do agree with you he would be OP
@@mag8138 yeah I see , but filoni and others state that maul was still rusty and hence not as good as he once was ie a shell of his former self and Obi had more of an advantage over him but Maul still managed to get thru.
Video of the decade
Agree!
If I had a nickel for every time obi beat someone who’s stronger than him but wasn’t all there I would have 2 nickels.
It’s his speciality
POV you’re above Dooku Obi Wan and can scrap wit Vader
YESSIR
Love how you said it perfect !
His Fortnite model is actually really good and I use him pretty often. If you use the kata blade you can re create his double bladed saber too
I've been alternating between using him and Kylo Ren
@@KeyIssues Based
You have been well trained (in Fortnite), Aiden. They will be no match for you.
@@rotyler2177 crown win
I agree with literally everything you said... Especially the part about the cringee solo hater fans. Solo was f****** fire and I will die on this hill.
PREACH
Make a powerscaling tier list video for Star Wars
Great video! You should do a ranking of all the Jedi and Sith
They will come for me
just goes to show you how Dooku was (in my opinion) the hardest nerfed character from legends to canon. legends Dooku was an absolute monster when it came to not only dueling, but also force ability.
Can you tell me his feats in legends and what book/comic he displayed his powers in?
@@hellothere-bx8cf1. In Legends as a Jedi Initiate he beyond easily telekenetically lifted a plant that weighed many hundreds of pounds and he was like seven years old or younger when he did that while most force users his age could barely lift leafs without struggling.
2. As a Jedi Initiate he above simply won force duels in competitions and tournaments at nine years old based on combating other force users based on force shields, force barriers, telekinesis, and force senses he was so good at it that he was the only student Yoda would not let win and out some effort into beating.
3. His potential in the force was so super high that Yoda desired to train him one on one personally and his potential in the force being enigmatic even for Yoda to comprehend Yoda did not even see this same potential in Windu and Yoda only refused the training of Anakin because Anakin was too old when he went to the order if not either Yoda or Dooku would of trained Anakin. Plus Plagueis saw Dooku as a insurance apprentice if Sidious did not go according to plan while he did not see that with Maul even before his defeat, Sifo Dyas even before he got offed, Nor Qui Gon even before he got the sentence to the netherealm. Plus Sidious had Dooku in mind even before Mauls defeat and saw Maul in reality as a assassin like Asajj And Grievous although more powerful while he saw Dooku as a true ally a equal from the other camp already trained in the jedi arts, a master duelist, and a skilled diplomat.
4. Was considered by Yoda to be the Jedi the most learned in the ways of the force, the orders strongest student, and the orders greatest failure(Lost For Leaving The Order) he said this in front of the entire council including Windu during times of Clone Wars implying that Jedi Master Dooku was more powerful then and higher potentialed then everyone in the order except Yoda And Anakin the latter when it comes to potential only yeah.
5. Sidious seeing Jedi Master TPM Dooku as his equal in power, skill, and political and governmental acumen a Sidious that became far more powerful after murdering Plagueis he thought this in his mind.
6. Was the second leading expert on Telekenesis in the Jedi Order after Yoda as a Jedi Master that he taught classes on the power upper then easily lifting all the council chairs and other heavy furniture in rapid succession.
7. Was so good at force speed and force reflexes that he was either tied with Yoda or slightly below Yoda around TPM Circa with Windu either being his equal or slight beneather.
8. Force healing was so good that he easily could heal himself of even the most harmful of poisons and diseases second only to Yoda in the order.
9. Best user of Tutiminus in the order most likely since he was taught directly by Yoda and said to be the most learned in the ways of the force after Yoda.
10. Likely was the second best in the order with telepathy, beast control, battle meditation, force self levitation, force illusions, etc.
11. As a sith within five years of his tutoring under Sidious he became a high tier Master of the dark side with force lightning, don moch, teleportation, force cage, doppelganger, force rage, and plenty of more powers force drain as well as que tech.
Good job key issues!
Thanks!
The UFC left leg meme had me dying 🤣🤣🤣
I think a few of your arguments are a little disingenuous. Vader comparing that fighting style to sidious's is probably because sidious trained maul in lightsaber combat and not because she necessarily rivals him. Maul being able to kill clones when the Jedi couldn't in order 66 isn't good enough of a feat to bring up since the Jedi would've been completely caught off guard at their allies turning against them while it was just another Tuesday for maul. There's a lot of feats putting Vader on a level above maul and claiming maul wasn't in his right mind against obi wan in rebels while not pointing out Vader was the same way against ahsoka is pretty fallacious. I also think it would've been better for you to elaborate more on count dooku's scaling (feats statements stuff like that) to get a more concrete analysis on where they should scale to one another, it seemed like you cherry picked a bit in that segment. I do however think your analysis of obi wan and maul's scaling was well thought out and in depth which I appreciate
1. I didn't make that claim. I just said he was very good at training Qi'ra to the point she could contend with Vader.
2. Many Jedi had the opportunity to fight and survive but died with their lightsabers in hand. Not all were caught completely off-guard.
3. Vader IS in his right mind when fighting Ahsoka. It's stated by Filoni himself.
4. This isn't a Dooku video.
@@KeyIssues point was her being good at fighting and having a similar style to sidious is specifically because maul was trained by sidious and would have a similar style which was the main point of what I said. it's been stated numerous times that towards the end of the clone wars the jedi's abilities and mental states were clouded by the dark side and even if some Jedi fought back it's disingenuous to argue they wouldn't be mentally prepared for what happened. Filoni said that Vader was actively trying to kill ahsoka because he felt she was a threat due to being a reminder of Anakin, Vader is not very sound of mind during many instances where something or someone reminds him of Anakin as his perception of his new and old identity cause him to be conflicted. I never stated it was supposed to be a dooku video but there's evidence that makes your claims of maul's blatant superiority to dooku pretty contentious which is why I thought it wouldn't been better to bring those statements and feats up to prove your point better
@@artofcujo You're argument for Vader not being in the right state of mind while fighting Ashoka i feel is very weak. If Filoni himself stated Vader was attempting to kill ashoka and he showcased no feelings of confliction but simply rage, (Which is common for Vader all the time), then simply assuming he was conflicted based on no statements or anything proving otherwise is very weak imo.
@@jasonsjustbetter2037 I don't mean conflicted in the sense that he doesn't have the resolve to kill ahsoka, but in the sense that whenever Vader gets reminded of Anakin (through instances like this where he sees someone close to him from his past) his state of mind changes to an extent due to him not thinking as rationally due to his anger. We see instances in the comics where his old feelings and his reaction to snuff them out when coming in contact with shit from his past causes him to act and think differently from how he does normally, and at one point he even flat out betrays palpatine by letting one of padme's body doubles go because of his past connections. There's simply more instances where reminders of Vader's past life as Anakin causes him to think and act differently than there are instances otherwise. A way better example is in the Kenobi show where Vader is basically bloodlusted the entire time because he's consumed with killing Kenobi and killing one more link to his past
@@artofcujo agreed
I like the turn you’re taking to make more Star Wars videos. However, I do have some issues with the general scaling. Power in the Star Wars universe is just not linear. Especially in regards to the force. Anyway I’m not here to make pointed critiques I think your content is great.
@Chase Parsons It’s not linear, but it’s also just fairly inconsistent all around since we got the Disney canon. Do you disagree with his Maul scaling? :)
@@mcsquigg37massively mainly in regards to how he somehow pulled the ridiculous conclusion that maul>=sidious>yoda>mace>anakin>dooku I’m terms of duelling which is just insane
So maul became a lesser version of sion who kept his entire body together with anger while Maul used anger to stay alive while missing legs
Darty maul is one of three who have ever survived a duel with sideous, the other two being grandmaster Yoda and Darth Vader
And key issues You are amazing
Who will be the next character that you are going to scale? Luke? Dooku? Obi-Wan? Looking forward to it anyways.
Sith were always meant to be much stronger than the jedi considering the power. In TPM Maul had the upper hand against a jedi master and his apprentice together but later on he even gets defeated by normal jedi. They nerfed him more and more over time, especially when Disney took over. George Lucas had even planned to have Maul as the main antagonist in the sequels. As an apprentice of Sidious, the sequels could have been perfect with his return. Dave Filoni sometimes lacks George Luca's vision
"Always remember, I am fear.
Always remember, I am hunter.
Always remember, I am nothing.
Always remember, I am filth." - Maul
very interesting character
If they continue the jedi fallen order and jedi survivor series, they should totally make darth maul a boss fight when cal is strong enough
I hated by that he lost to Ashoka
But thank you for this. Darth Maul was the man
I love this guy's breakdowns on these characters. I wonder if he'd ever do a general grievous video, I've always wondered how he ended up a spiderbot with 4 Jedi sabers
Thanks! I plan on doing a bunch of more SW videos
@@KeyIssues wicked, I can't wait!
When he fought Ben Kenobi on tatunoine Kenobi was also significantly more powerful as a few years before he overpowered and defeated Vader.
Vader is always conflicted when Fighting Obi-Wan so it's not really him at his full
@@jasonsjustbetter2037 Vader was not conflicted when he fought Obi-Wan on the Death Star
@@joseluis5055 I didn't mean on the Death Star, I mean their duel in the Kenobi show
It’s still impressive as Kenobi has never been this strong.
Thanks for this vid!!!!
You’re welcome!!!!!
Do you think maul would've won against obi wan if he was in full health?
yes
Filoni said something like that Maul could dispatch Kenobi but to what extend, Kenobi could be Force ghost similar to how it happened with Vader vs Kenobi
I wonder how much of this video was power scaling Maul as advertised, and how much was this a documentary on the various ways someone beat Obi Wan.
You need to make a video about how strong Obi-Wan is as he is one of the strongest Jedi and you have used him as an example in this video and previously to show how strong other characters are.
I use him as an example because he is not very high-tier when talking about the strongest Jedi ever. Middle of the pack.
@@KeyIssues Yeah that’s true although I would still like to see a video analyzing how strong he truly is
As always a pleasure to watch your videos but why didn’t you mention Rex 😂 Just joking I love your content🔥
what a cool guy
Who wins ahsoka vs maul. I think it's ahsoka, since she went up against a prime buffed vader and performed very well. A vader old man obi wan lost too and old man obi wan defeated maul easily. Ahsoka and maul also performed equally against inquisitors in my book. Thank you and I love your content. Also Please make a video on how powerful is obi wan if you don't mind.
Sorry for asking you about another vs battle. I was just really curious about cere vs ahsoka and now ahsoka vs maul
Both in primes as well.
Never mind you convinced me that maul is stronger. I didn't watch the whole video sorry
if he was so strong, how come he's dead?
before someone gets mad at me this is a Simpsons reference
also great video
So Maul thought he could take on both Mace and Ayla that says alot about his skill level with a saber...
He didn't just think so, he did
@@pixel3042 Then loses to 17 year old Ahsoka. Ahsoka > Windu + Jedi Master lol
@@mcsquigg37 He wasn't trying to kill Ahsoka. He still wanted her and him to team up. He wanted her alive and tried to lure her to the dark side.
@@pixel3042 Yes, but even still, that makes her relative to Maul at least which puts her at the ver least scaling to Jedi high council level duelists, which I disagree with
@@pixel3042He really wasn't he wanted Ahsoka by his side so he took it easy it looked like he was using 40 percent of his power not gonna lie and Ahsoka also was just trying to capture Maul but it looked like she was really trying...I think one reason he wanted Ahsoka by his side was because he knew the simular parallels in there lives..you know what they say opposites attract...she would have joined him if he did not say he wanted to kill Anakin..Imagine if he kept that to himself 😮
I look at Maul very different now after this in dept video.....
😌
After Talzin gave him a power boost he was on Vader's level, but if he hadn't so fully let the Dark Side cloud his mind and become so hung up on petty revenge, I believe that in time, with the proper training he could have begun to approach Rick The Door Technicians level of power.
Wasted potential
Did you fall on your head as a child? What has EVER suggested maul was EVER on Vader level?
@@ObnoxiousGhastweird roast, but yeah, not quite on the same level, though according to Dave Filoni, in same realm during Rebels, so they couldn't have been far apart in power.
@@daunknown1684 they would have to be quite far apart, Maul with all his hubris and pride, admitted he couldn't defeat Vader ("I cannot defeat Vader alone" is what he said specifically) and Maul always tends to underestimate all his opponents, so for him to acknowledge he can't beat Vader, at least not alone would mean Vader would have to be considerably more powerful than him.
@@ObnoxiousGhast well, we have no context as to why Maul said that line. It was only implied he and Vader had fought and Maul certainly did not deem himself as victorious. However, Vader is rather not the guy that allows you to survive and Maul was still alive to tell the tale, which, provided they actually fought, implies he was at least powerful enough to walk out in one piece.
it's a shame that maul was never able to reach his full potential
Yes finally someone acknowledged Darth maul superior
I think that it is also important to note that Dooku should be weaker at the end of the clone wars than he was at the start. As he is only getting older which isn't helped by the dark side degradation he suffers. Does this make AOTC Dooku stronger than Maul? I don't know. But i feel is important to note.
But this is a great video reguardless.
Dooku learnt how to use the darkside on his own, his sith alchemy which he learnt from sidious is in the same league as maul but the latter was the most trained sith in the orders history. Quigon and mace were roughly in the same league as jedi/sith dooku, maul has beaten both Jedi once during tpm and son of dathomir.
@@SmoothalcoholicQui Gon was not in the same league as Neither Jedi Dooku Nor TPM Mace nor even TPM Maul in terms of power and dueling yeah.
Is this the guy from the end scene in Solo: A Star Wars Story?
yes
Maul and Savage had the issue of being up against only the most powerful people in the series, they were bound to have bad win/loss ratios lmaoo
I guess you could say that Maul's biggest flaw is that you've lost track of the here and the now.
I’d argue that dooku and maul were at the same level. Dooku just fell to Anakin
Where do you find information such as at 34:21? And is there a collected place where you can for example find out about what dave filoni also said about him?
Bro made up so many excuse for just if maul losing to literally eveyone, even padawans💀
I mean, he didn't make them up. Obi wan is knighted right after and it literally says in the offical star wars book that it was bad luck.
Maul>>>>kenobi
Styles make fights, if its defense is needed Obi-Wan, if its offense is needed then Maul, because they both are tier 8 according to Nick Gillard. Gillard's rankings:
Tier 9: Sidious, Yoda
Tier 8: Maul, Dooku, Episode 3 Obi-Wan, Mace Windu (bordering tier 9) , Episode 3 Anakin (bordering tier 9)
Tier 7: Episode 1&2 Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, Kit Fisto
Tier 6: Episode 2 Anakin
@@timurjack8773 anakin in ep 2 was also a level 7, and dark side anakin a 9, but this isnt just about dueling, Maul has other advantages
@Key Issues unless it wasn't retconned wasnt it stated sidious only trained maul like an assassin and didn't give him real sith training so he was only at a fraction of what he could have been if sidious trained him fully?
No
This guy absolutely hates obi wan lmaoo
Very good video key issues. I have a question. How powerful is Anakin compared to Darth revan, Darth bane and Darth caedus?
Idk I don’t scale legends
Legend is a headache to scale
If Siduous didn't hold back Maul's force potential, (with his mostly physical Sith Assassin training) Maul would've been a Darkside power to rival Anakin.
In Legends Mauls potential was nowhere near Sidious it was higher then most force users and his physical abilities and unarmed combat skills as well as his double bladed lightsaber skills were top notch but in terms of potential based on most sources Yoda, Sidious, Plagueis, Dooku, Mace, The Skywalkers, The Mereks, The Solos Under Leias line and the force deities had a higher midichlorian count then Maul did but Mauls count was still higher then Vitiate, Revan, Bane, Qui Gon, Obi Wan, Plo Koon, Shaak Ti, Yaddle, Aayla Secura, Depa Bellaba, Traya, Nihilus, Racka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, Zannah, Malgus, Tenebrous, Adi Gahlia, Yarael Poof, Luminara, Bariss, Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar, Ki Adi Mundi, Rahm Kota, Sensee Tin, Grievous, Durge, Asajj Ventress and everybody else though so Mauls potential was no joke he still had a handful of people that surpass his counters yeah.
The most underrated sith
Spitting
bring back the spider legs lol
Eh, not sure between Maul and Dooku. Maybe because of Dookus age Maul would have an advantage but i think a younger and in his prime Dooku could take Maul. Dooku, even at his advanced age, fought Yoda to a draw. I know had they continued Yoda ultimately would have win but that is still very impressive considering Yoda was the best Jedi duelist of his time. I personally think Dooku was slightly better as a duelist then Windu. In fact i would say Dooku is one of the best pure duelists of all time. I think only Vader, Yoda and Sideous (probably Luke too) are above him but i think he could hang with anyone else. He made Obi Wan look like a chump twice so hes definitely a beast.