EU PARLIAMENT plans new lower speed limits for motorcycles so they cant overtake cars!
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Karrima Delli Green party member and MEP, Chairwoman of the European parliaments committee for Transport and Tourism recently proposed new lower speed limits to be imposed on motorcycles forcing them to travel slower than cars, in order to reduce accidents.
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As a motorcyclist of several decades I can tell you that the safest speed for a motorcycle in traffic is just slightly higher than the other vehicles in front of you - in this way, you are in control - traveling at a speed lower than that of the other traffic is dangerous - particularly if the other vehicles are heavy commercial vehicles.
Infront of you? But would'nt that lead you to tailgate the car infront of you?
Nonsense
Dangerous? If you look around at everything they are doing, that is exactly their intent.
@@steve00alt70What he's saying is you don't want to be behind cars because it limits your visibility.
You want to move to areas of higher visibility so how do you do that? Maybe on a 2 lane highway slowing down works good but in busy traffic you'll get ran over doing that.
Rules created by non riders… busying themselves about all the dangers of riding.
I’m always dumbfounded by proclamations of ‘this is for your own good’ made by people who likely do not partake in the activities they are legislating. Thank you, again, for keeping us in the loop. Greetings from Canada 🇨🇦
You spelled canaduh wrong.
Meanwhile in Canada we're still banning sci-fi guns that don't exist in real life because a politician saw it in a movie, lol
@@Jake-bt3fc, sad but true
Yep. Very noticeable since covid. We just need to keep saying no to all their authoritarian ideas.
Well said and agreed. Greetings from Australia.
Forcing motorcycles to travel at lower speeds than cars??
Are they nuts??
Yes of course they are.
Should be the other way round really.
Clueless individuals dreaming up utterly ridiculous plans. Probably doing the job they do because a job in the real world would be beyond them. And so we shall suffer.
@Trev350 that's usually who it is that comes up with some of these idiotic laws
Someone who doesn't have a clue who their ideas for a law was going to effect
did you know combined brakes on a motorcycle is illegal in the USA? @olliereed4206
There was a study done awhile ago on speed limits and accidents. Basically they found that the speed limit did not matter. As long as everyone was traveling at more or less the same speed, it was far safer. What becomes dangerous on freeways are slow drivers. They were found to cause more accidents than anyone else. So having motorcycles go slower than the rest of the traffic is a recipe for disaster. and likely to cause an increase fatal accidents. Anyway, the study was obviously in depth, this is a very basic overview of the findings.
Exactly. Significantly slower traffic always causes issues with traffic flow, & add hazards for all concerned.
Making motorcycles more dangerous is the whole idea. Then they can be banned because they are too dangerous.
That is why motorwas are in general safer than other roads. Narrow city streets where everyone is going slowly at similar speeds are also safer. It is the ones in between that are more dangerous - or places where cars come close to pedestrians.
I remember learning about that in the 1980s
Any link or name of the study?
Next week: The EU demands pedestrians walk no faster than 1.767mph; legislation to force people to clean their teeth for at least 68.676 seconds, and politicians to get a 300% bonus, to be paid 12 times a year....
And don't forget you can only fart twice a day to reduce climate global greta warming boiling cooling hotting dimming emissions.
Meanwhile in the UK, idiots on illegal electric scooters , riding two up, weave around along our roads, and run red lights at 20mph, with no insurance. And seemingly it is tolerated and accepted as normal behavior. And when turning at a junction we have to give way to them, because they are vulnerable. Can anyone get their heads around this utter nonsense, because I can't!
I think we should have a trial. Sadik Khan, and all politicians MUST have a man walking in front of any vehicle they use, carrying a red flag.
I think the first trial of this was flawed.
@@PeterHolland-mu7yn they be forced to eat sugars to save sugars Industry even thought it destroying your health
those so called legal hire scooters are dangerous, the brakes are wearing out, the lights dont work and the tyres are bald on many of them they are far from roadworthy.@@Trev350
Motorcycles may also be a target because they represent freedom. The corporate controlled " hijacked' world certainly has distain for that. Our governments seem to have lots of strings hanging from above.
We all have a rebellious streak , it's just a bit more visible on a riding jacket , We wear our heart's on our sleeves when we put on our helmets , We are a minority and most people don't understand or even care to understand that for some of us It is Who We are . Without a bike I am Not Me , I've been a biker for approx. 66%of My life so far & I would be a poor shadow of Myself , personally I think I'd rather die than stop riding now , there is little that brightens My day more than knowing after a long shift I at least get to ride home , and when I get up at stupidoclock in the morning to go to work , I will enjoy the run in to another long shift . Those commutes kept Me sane during the lock down ,as they have done ever since I first started riding .
There's also the fact that motorcycles are a cheap alternative to owning a car, and corpos don't like that. Pretty sure this is a large reason why rich countries don't get cheap motorcycles, they get large expensive bikes so they don't make it harder for auto manufacturers to squeeze money out of people.
@@toolzandnewideas Already aware sadly , but thankfully , I probably won't be here to see it . Ride Free .
Here in Northern Ireland, when you pass a driving test, you're restricted to 45mph for 1 year. It causes absolute kaos on motorways and country roads, forcing people to attempt dangerous overtakes.
Is that for cars only? And does it just apply to Northern island or also the Republic?
@philtucker1224 no its for cars and motorbikes. You're supposed to display an R plate, like and L plate. I never did. Imagine riding around on a 2500cc bike at 45mph 😂
THATS INSANE DICTATORSHIP POLICY , THATS RIGHT OUT OF THE EU PLAYBOOK
@lancethrust9488 it's madness. Imagine trying to join a busy motorway with 2 or 3 cars infront doing 45mph, while traffic is doing 70mph.
People are never forced to overtake dangerously it is a choice they make
I leave in Bulgaria (which is part of EU). We have lower speed limit for Motorcycles compared to the cars since decades . No one comply with this limits because it is dangerous to travel slower than the traffic and you explained it very well. I tried as an experiment to ride in those stupid limits and the experience was mind blowing when big truck start to overtake me dangerously. I think someone should put Karrima Delli on the back of a bike and ride her in the proposed limits to experience this "safty".
So far I hoped and participate in events in my country to equalize the speed limits for motorcycles and cars. This proposal comming form EU party is big disapointment.
Great idea!
Feels more like segregation to me? Bikes=freedom , maybe that’s the problem.
YES, freedom is what they hate and are trying to destroy at all levels.
Motociclistas, el ultimo de los Espiritus Libres. (Motorcyclists, the last of the Free Spirits)...
are you 12?
@@dylaanowen Why ?
Cars are also a form of freedom - imho that's why Rocking Horse DrakeFRAUD Wales First Minister pushed through the 20mph when he was strongly advised not to - DrakeFRAUD has never been able to pass his driving test so like alittle child throwing his dummy out of his pram he introduuced the 20mph BS Speed Limit. He can't pass his test so like a jealous child he attacks those that actually managed to pass their driving test and get a car (or motorcycle)
Politicians in most countries lately are doing stuff that goes against the good of the people, that's worrisome. Seems like the laws and restrictions are becoming more and more insane year after year. I hope this turns around some day.
I can only agree with you.
EVERYBODY can only agree with you.
We, the people, need a voice.
A STRONG AND LOUD VOICE.
Why all the consternation and confusion! Klaus told you his intentions.. You will own squat and eat bugs. There's no mention about your well being.
It will only turn around when they have an incentive to
They always did that. I think it's just that people are waking up now, finally.
No , it wont.....
I would not be surprised if the EU had looked into making motorcycles safer, by having them all permanently fitted with stabilisers (training wheels)........
Don't give them ideas
I don’t want to give them anymore silly ideas but next will be all Bikes should be fitted with stabiliser’s
@@PeterHolland-mu7yn As far as I can recall it was back in the late 80s or early 90s that 'leg protectors' were first touted by the EU. The idea was quietly dropped when it was pointed out by crash test experts that injuries were transferred away from the legs to the upper body and head. There was also pretty fierce opposition from UK motorcyclists - 20k+ attending a demo in Trafalgar Square organised by the Motorcycle Action Group. I hope the same spirit is still out there if they try to spring this BS idea on us again.
Careful what you suggest, some nugget will read this and propose it in parliament!
@@and4263 Motorcycles and scooters equipped with stabilisers are quite a common sight in India. The purpose is to create a vehicle that a disabled person can use.
In the 1970s Victoria (Australia) had an 80 km/h speed limit for motorcyclists with pillion passengers, even when the limit was 100 km/h otherwise. This lead to massive (& spectacular) protest rides and the formation of the Motorcycle Riders Association who successfully lobbied the Victorian government to remove the pillion limit on the basis that the 20 km/h speed difference was more dangerous than going at 100 km/h.
Australia's a bit large for speed limits as low as 100 km/h to begin with.
The Welsh are ignoring the 20mph limit apparently, business as usual, no surrender !!!
Exactly. I won't be riding my Hayabusa at 30mph....
@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOnecan you imagine trying to ride it everywhere at 20mph?
my experience of wales has always been the speed limit was a suggestion! especially in rural parts.
I think that cost like 5 bn£ for all the new 20 signs etc. Glad they’re spending that pot wisely
@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne My MT01 is allergic to slow speeds 😉
There's a set of people that often refer to motorcycles as '...dirty, noisy, dangerous things'. These people should never have anything to do with legislation and rule making. They're the least informed, and not qualified to join any conversation pertaining to road safety.
And the operators of cars want motorcycles slowing them up ? I see ALOT of serious wrecks caused by this.
The safest option on most roads is for all vehicles to be travelling at the same speed. The lower speed limit for HGVs on UK A roads and motorways cause more frustration than is necessary resulting in more risky overtaking. Lowering the speed limits for motorbikes would work the same way and so I agree with you, more accidents are likely since the drivers (which includes me if you are wondering) all wrapped up in their safe space will take risks passing motor bikes much like they do now with pedal bicycles since their risk of injury or death is lower.
If I am in traffic travelling below the speed limit and a motor bike comes up behind me I slow down slightly to increase the gap ahead and move as close to the nearside as it is safe to do. It lets the biker know that I am aware of them and that I have no issue with them passing me since it will make just about zero difference to my arrival time. The usual result is they overtake when they are happy to do so and usually give a thankyou sign as they pass. Keeps it safe for everyone.
Nah. Drivers will be happy to see riders go slower. Lot of ppl hate the motorcyclists and nothing makes you happier than somebody's else misery.Especially in poland.
Deaths, not wrecks.
How come the EU does not make it illegal to make huge cars like BMW and AUDI????
A pity they didn't force them to fit indicators as well... 😏 😂
Thats what they all drive
Because the EU politicians would be able to drive round in them with a chauffeur and police escort doing 200 kmh !!
An absolutely bonkers idea that flies in the face of common sense, hopefully they will kick this into touch.
That would need sence, something completely missing in "POLATICIANS" of all types
Unlikely
Nobody to pick their own nose without first passing a test and obtaining a licence.
Compulsory to wear a hi-vis jacket, safety boots and a helmet.
Just in case people pick their noses until their heads cave in..
If we we were part of the EU we could veto it
@@williamhuxley most of the 'bonkers' stuff you talk about came from the UK in the first place when we were members. We have the most draconian rules of any northern European country. Bikes in Germany have far more freedoms and fun than we get here!
I've had a 58mph in a 50mph zone summons this morning. On a dual carriageway, which for decades was national speed limit, farmland either side of the road, no schools/crossings/lights etc, just an easy peasy revenue generator for the police whilst crimes go uninvestigated.
Sadly, the decent law abiding majority (who always accept their punishments and pay their fines without question) have to be the ones they come after. We are society's victims. It's best to target us.... That's how you make the most money.
@@Trev350 How can they be a law abiding majority if they are getting fined and punished?
@@ChrisJohnson-pd4hh decent honest careful people who unintentionally drift very slightly over an ultra low speed limit are being fined. It's very easy to do if you're looking at the road ahead, rather than staring constantly at your speedo, to accidentally drift just above the limit. I know of someone in London who was fined for doing 22 in a 20. That's the kind of thing I'm referring to.
@ChrisJohnson-pd4hh Well, I'm hardly Jack the Ripper, I wonder what the burglaries' solved rate is in the local force..............
Speed limits are almost always only set up to generate revenue. They purposefully set the speed limit to slower than feels comfortable/practical for most drivers.
Hey Uncle Stu it’s got nothing to do with safety and everything to do with control.
The biggest problem to me isn't the speed - its the speed differential thats dangerous.
I like to ride at, or *slightly* above, traffic speeds. That way I can keep my safety bubble as big as I can and still adapt to situations. Whenever I lose that it's much more difficult to ride safely and is, frankly, terrifying.
Had this the other day: on a dual carriageway with a 40mph temporary speed limit with signs warning of cameras. Now, I need a clean licence so can't risk a ticket. Of course, there is nothing there but cones so everybody is doing 50 at least. So I'm cowering in lane 1 with a Range Rover attached to my license plate and an articulated lorry overtaking me in lane 2. Felt so unsafe. Then got to the blessed national limit sign, moved over and gunned it (safely) past everyone at about 65mph until I was back in a huge empty bit with a bubble the size of Mars. Much better.
I've survived 50 years of riding the roads and highways in the USA using the exact techniques you describe. A motorcyclist needs to run slightly faster than the flow of traffic and seek out the open bubbles between the clumps of cars / trucks.
You are an expert driver. I do the same.
If you are afraid of the traffic you should give up.
@@captainchaos3053 afraid of the traffic when the law forces you into a dangerous position
Those have been My tactics since the 80's , I believe the correct term is "defensive riding" , often it's necessary to actually get in front of the vehicles in front to achieve a suitable safe bubble .
The lady knows nothing about motorcycles. If that directive gets applied, the injury to motorcycles from being run over from behind by cars. Serious injuries and deaths will raise, not decline.
The most common Car/motorcycle accident is being T-boned..( Sorry Mate l didn't see You).. if this legislation comes to pass it will be 'hit from behind' which at the moment is quite rare, although not in America, or so it seems.
Have you noticed that legislation is usually set by those who know nothing on the subject they legislate against...
@@brianperry- That’s politics for you!
and then they will ban m/b because they are "dangerous"
I’m from UK and live in Austria, a paradise of twisty roads with easy access to Italy. The bike scene here is absolutely huge, with people from all over Europe coming here to ride and tour. This is a typical Green Party move, rather than an EU move. They are an absolute pain in the backside where I live, especially for motorists. Parking restrictions everywhere, overpriced and with short time limits (sound familiar Londoners?). They want to kill off the use of cars/bikes, end of. If you live in outlying villages or up in the mountains, a car (or bike) is a must. With their war on vehicle owners people have started not going into my main town(Innsbruck) because it is hugely annoying (big effect for local businesses etc). 99% of bikers here, visiting or locals, ride sensibly and respectfully and within limits… of course you’ll get the occasional nut job but that is true in most areas of life… you’re right though, they don’t get into positions of power but are a thorn in the side of two and four wheel users!
We got such roads in Germany. On a bike you can go up to 70kmh for a car/truck it is 100kmh. Imagine my "joy" being on my bike having a truck behind me who tries to overtake me ....even uphill...
... That's crazy, and I thought Germany was the sensible one in Europe!
Was that another stupid move forced by Germany's Greens - like closing all the nuclear power stations resulting in increased pollution as coal powered stations had to be used more to compensate for the power loss?
Germany the sensible one? Since they have this traffic light government, they are living in clown world. I'm sorry for you having to endure this madness.
Hey come on you are joking. I'm German by myself and have never seen roads like this. Where are these roads?
It is like a death on your back 🫣
It's curious how these speed limits play into the hands of EV motorcycles, for which higher speeds mean a massive reduction in range, and therefore reduced real world practicality, which might otherwise become an obstacle to enforcing EV motorcycle use.
That's a very good point....personally I think EV motorcycles are dangerous due to the lack of engine noise as it takes away another way that can increase car drivers awareness of us.
@@pdhywrd I tend to agree, unfortunately MOT standards are expected to change soon to clamp down on motorcycle noise at the time of the test
@@pdhywrdNobody hears you from inside their car, however loud you think you are. Noise is not an argument outside towns, and even then pedestrians hear you, not car drivers in their ever more insulated interiors.
Same applies to any EV. Higher speed = reduced range.
@@chrisbarron5861 my MOT tester was telling me about the current conditions for a motorbike exhaust noise, which are only relevant for an after-market exhaust - is it significantly louder than the factory exhaust. That's it. As he said, how is he meant to know? With at any point about 100 different models available in the UK in a given year, is he meant to have a library of all of them? And how do you possibly measure it? Anyone who has used directional sound monitoring equipment knows that a couple of degrees or a couple of centimeters makes a dramatic difference to the readings.
The EU is insane.
It is not democratic, the Commission (Commissars) initiate legislation, and the parliament has no influence.
Its not the EU, its a party, as Stu remarked, who have a disproportional voice in legislation regarding anything to do with Transport, especially internal combustion!
@@brianperry WEF and friends
@@brianperryIt is the EU, they have to vote for it. The EU should be disbanded.
If Great Britain were still a member they could have voted against it...Forget disbanding, ain't gonna happen.
90 kmh? That's insane! In my country of origin, the speed limit on the motorway is of 140 kmh. And most drivers are going at 150. Imagine encountering a motorcycle in your lane doing 90. What will happen then? With many drivers having their eyes cast on the phone screen...
That's the objective here.
It would be so dangerous to do this, you would basically have to have a lane specifically for motorcycles.
I'd be okay with us getting our own lanes. Cars are scary, especially when they overtake or tailgate you.
Yes...and then the bikes tailgate each other according to license levels...
So they don't want bikes to overtake cars, but this would force cars to overtake bikes, quite probably dangerously. Absolute madness!
I ride my motorcycle for leisure to decompress, according to the law. In the week I’m in my car doing community work. An Audi passed me yesterday doing double 30mph speed limit on the wrong side the road over white hatchings near a junction. We have a strong biker community in our county, home of Caldwell Park. My point is the standards of driving a car have fallen dramatically but I can’t remember the last time I saw a motorcyclist being irresponsible. Anyhow, I caught up with the Audi driver at a temporary set of traffic lights, which is often the case. They gain very little ground and put lives at risk. P.S this is not just about Audi drivers.
Driving standards have been decreasing for years, however they took a real dive during the covid years and have never really recovered since. They now teach people to pass a test, not how to drive. The two functions are light years apart.
Lots of muntjac deer about as well in rural counties, and they have no road sense. I have a friend who lives in Louth collect one in his radiator when going home from his day job in Lincoln. It doesn't matter how good a driver or rider someone thinks they are if you have random road hazards like that about so excess speed in any situation is not a good idea. I think the large speed differential of a speeding motorist to a law abiding driver or rider coupled with the randomness of wildlife is not a good mix.
Yes it’s amazing how many car drivers will willingly put their and other peoples lives at risk just to be one car in front!
I understand what you're saying. Beemer drivers are far worse.
Road legal motorcycle riders tend to be well behaved on the road. Different kettle of fish entirely with the 2 stroke scrambler or Sur-Ron riders who wheely everywhere at a minimum 40mph on urban streets, with no reg ate, no helmet & no insurance.
I read somewhere that the majority of motorcycle accidents are caused by motorists turning right into the path of oncoming bikers. Therefore if the EU were really interested in protecting motorcyclists they should legislate to make it illegal for motorists to turn right.
Makes as much sense as forcing road traffic to travel at different speeds
The leading cause of accidents for both motorcycles and bicycles is cars not giving the right of way. Like, it's universsally known. I'm a bike mechanic and we used to sell motorcycles. 9/10 accidents happened because a car slammed into the biker.
As a Royal Enfield fan (I drive a Meteor 350), overtaking on the highway is nothing but a dream...
Jokes apart, this is just crazy dangerous!
Glad to have moved to Thailand, motorcycle heaven and far from all UE nonsense.
Do the motorbikes outnumber the lady-boys?
@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne Largely. 22 million bikes registered here (twice as many compared to cars). Thailand is, by ratio, the number 1 country in the world for 2 wheelers.
@ Really? There's definitely a higher bike to car ratio in Vietnam
@@chrispekel5709 Well, same here in Thailand. Of course, scooters are the majority of 2 wheelers, but they don't make the difference here. There's just '' bikes '' (anything under 160cc) and '' big bikes '' 😉
I have heard how slow those are . Lol wonder if it’s slower than my 81 kz440
You made my point at the end Stu. In society, there are 'thrill seekers' those, who unlike the rest of us seem to only be able to exist by endangering themselves. Whether it be base jumping, tombstonìng or free climbing and motorcycles provide a swift and sure way to their particular heaven. No law will ever stop these individuals.
I believe that our passion is in it's early death throes. There are more and more restrictions placed in the path of would be drivers plus much of the younger generation would rather drive a car, there's no wonder motorcycles are now been seen as an easy target.
Had to be the Greens! Never trust a vegetarian. I know, I married one!!
Good to have you back Stu. As for the legislation haven’t heard this latest stupid proposal. I agree with what you’ve said & would like to add this. I’ve been riding since the 1960’s & through out that time governments have been totally biased against motorcycles & people that ride them. I also abhor this nanny state regime which gives these idiots control over peoples lives!
are seatbelt laws the nanny state too?
We've been here before.
Quit whining and get a dirt bike and ride off road.
Motorcyclist brought it on themselves. Rider since 1956.
@@OrmondOtvos .....Wow...what a hero! So brave, a real leader. Care to share some examples of "motorcyclist brought it on themselves"....I'm genuinely curious how I brought this on myself??
It is bonkers the people behind this have lost the plot.
Wtf...I already get enough tailgaters when I am following the current speed limits, this stupid rule will only kill more motorcyclists.
That's the point.
It is designed to, there are no mistakes
Unless you say NO, en masse, they will keep pilling on this nonsense, regardless of the country or collective group of bureaucrats (EU).
I wondered how "they" would get the bikes. It won't stop until all private vehicles are off the road. Unless we stop it but we won't. The majority are too lazy to take action.
Thats one way to destroy the motorcycle industry!
Morning Stu. Glad you’re on the mend. This sounds bonkers. This woman obviously hasn’t ridden a motorcycle so isn’t aware that a motorcycle slows down a lot faster under engine braking than a car. It would be safer to make cars drive slower than motorcycles.
Hasn't ridden a motorcycle..... Probably hasn't ever done anything actually!
A big thumbs-up for this and also mentioning us in Wales with its lunacy 20mph. Thanks.
They need to stop playing with themselves. It's how you ride them more than anything else.
Here we go. I live on the Worcestershire/Shropshire border, a haven for motorcyclists in the summer and all I see is responsible, courteous riding even when it's a pack of bikes. Not surprised it's come from the EU and the Greens. Don't worry we'll follow in the UK. The only way we will cease to be completely free of the EU is when they go down the pan, sooner than later I hope.
Viktor Orban had a very good quip this week comparing it to the Soviet Union.
It started with mopeds that are dangerously slow.
Absolutely spot on
That was in 1977, long before the EEC had morphed into the EU, and I don't think they had a hand in it. I had a pre-restriction Fizzy that would do over 50mph (on the clock, anyway)!
@@ParaBellum2024 The EU did have a hand in the later lowering of the maximum speed of mopeds from 30mph to 45km/h, and also in the rearrangement of driving licence categories so that you cannot now drive a pre-restriction moped at the age of 16 because it is not in category AM. The UK has not changed the limit back to 30mph even though it has left the EU. At the time in 1977 when the 30mph limit was imposed the UK minister of transport was William Rodgers who was at the time in the Labour Party but later left it and took part in the founding of the militantly pro-EU Social Democratic Party. The Labour Party is very mixed in its attitude to motorcycles. It used to have Jeremy Corbyn (MP for Islington North, in London) who in the 1980s toured a large part of Europe on his motorcycle, but it still has Barry Sheerman (MP for Huddersfield) who has many times advocated banning motorcycles.
@@cedriclynch Thank you. I wasn't aware of these later changes to English motorcycling laws.
Your observations are spot-on. This is indeed unsafe. It'll likely lead to an increase in rear-end collisions for motorcyclists.
I think we just about have enough data points to plot onto a graph and predict when we'll be back with a bloke with a red flag walking in front of every motor vehicle.
By going faster than cars I can reduce the risk of being rear ended and I can focus more on what is in front of me as opposed to being focused on what is behind me out of concern of being rear ended.
Clown world.
We're not in the E U , so shouldn't apply to us , hate what these nutcases are doing to us .
That idea is RID ICULOUS as judge Judy would say
I'm not sure that woman has ever actually _seen_ a motorcycle, but she definitely hasn't ever _ridden_ one in traffic.
On a more serious note, I'm glad you're feeling better!
Good Morning Stu , I'm pleased your feeling better , this is crazy reducing the speed for motorcycles at the end of the day they don't want us on the roads any way , so once again take care & ride safe
Is not the speed who killing, it is the speed difference. Now they created speed difference and create more dangerous roads
I refuse to test for Cxvd so I’ve never had it.
As a pedal cyclist I refuse to wear a helmet, I am sure I get better consideration from motorists because they can see my face and grey hair. And re. the gutters and therefore cycle lanes you are spot on.
What isn't there you can't have. Also the idiocy about helmets and seat belts - if I choose to endanger to take a personal risk that has no effect on others - it's none of their business. We live under idiocracy.
The EU have always hated the motorbike, remember in the 90's they tried to limit all bikes to 100bhp even though you could buy a ferrari with 450bhp. But back then we had balls and stood up to the EU and the idea was eventually canned. Nowadays we just accept it and moan, no balls to stand up to the EU mafia like we used to
Also look at the licence laws around 3 levels of full licence for Bikes, yet only one for Any Car.
@@Roger-hq1yt got to be 24 to gain a full uk bike license but a 18 year old footballer can buy and drive a bugatti or lamborghini
Absolutely terrifying 😢
Totally agree with your last comments about pinning a target on our backs. The same with noise, how 8 out of 10 motorbike reviews say "it's nice, but I would change the exhaust", "rip the cat. off", "put a straight through silencer on it".
Followed by comments like "it's much better but I have to wear ear plugs"
Suicide.
Control: via digital passport, smart phone, and vehicle digital transponders - all planned
Loud engine noise makes bikes more visible and noticeable whilst riding....just saying.
I had a Harley Sportster with Stage one mod already on it. Sounded good but bloody loud. I had to make sure my ear plugs were right down my ear canal as it was like riding a machine gun. Many times I would have to stop and re fit the plugs as they weren't quite right, gloves off, glasses off helmet off, set off again sometimes to find still not right. After a long ride my ears would be whistling in the night....tinnitus!!!. I sold the bike on and now have Triumph Speedmaster with standard pies, isn't too loud and sounds well. But I always wear plugs.
@@malcolmemsley5909 hi Malcolm. Always shocks me the wind noise when I forget my pluds.
But you can imagine what the bike haters thought when your HD went passed. I prefer to sneak around unnoticed. Enjoy the ride.
blue lights sirens and big yellow vans make ambulances invisible to the motoring public so a loud motorbike no it doesn't it just annoys people.@@richardwebb9532
I’m motorcyclist for more than 35 years, And I know very well that I’m more vulnerable on my motorcycle than driving my car, but this is a risk that I accept and try to mitigate as much as I can by riding safely. Zero risk doesn’t not exist, and if we want zero risk then we have to forbid everything and sit in a couch all days all day long. The counter part of freedom is to accept some risk, and this goes the other way around, meaning if you want no risk, you’ll end up with no freedom. We are adult, responsible, and no need these stupid politicians taking good care of our security, no thank you ! They just try to occupy their stupid life trying to justify their way to high wage coming from the tax payers. We definitively have to speak up and act against this crazy proposal. The green...again the green. This is a shame! Anyway, thank you very much for your video, always so much to the point 👍
Not zero risk on the couch rather higher risk of cardiac failure so ride and be happy.
We already have the same problem at the other end of the spectrum with e-bikes being limited to 15.5mph where I believe it would be safer if they were limited to 20mph so that in 20mph speed zones, cars would have less incentive to overtake.
Did a small period of time where I was regularly dual carriageway riding on a 125 that didnt like any more than 60mph (Same as proposed A1 license speed restriction). Frequently experienced HGVs doing dangerous overtakes, and vans not letting you out of lanes that would exit the carriageway, along with other generally dangerous behaviour from cars. I'm an A2 rider now and the same journey is now substantially safer. Insane proposal.
How about campaigning for intelligence tests for anyone in or associated with the greens
No need to test. We already know they're associated with the greens.
Prevent motorcycles overtaking cars by forcing cars to overtake motorcycles instead. Yep, that will definitely increase biker safety....
Differentiated speed limits for vehicles travelling on the same road is probably one of the most potentially dangerous
suggestions I’ve heard in a long time. By the way I loved reading the suggestion that it’s brexit that caused this.
Brilliant lol. Durrrrr. Shackling the most vulnerable road users with the reduced speed limit will definitely cause more
motor cyclist deaths without doubt in my mind. Speed is a tool that every road user should learn to use in a safe way.
It can get any road user out of a dangerous situation quickly and safely. Think of overtaking HGVs on wet road days
where visibility is poor when along side due to spray, if your speed differential is 1 mph it can take more than a mile
to pass in certain situations, being an HGV driver who has driven ten of thousands of miles with speed limiters I know.
But thinking of a motor bike having to stay along side an HGV in complete spray blackout for several minutes overtaking
would be unimaginable. Every driver should be entitled to use speed to safely pass another vehicle driving dangerously
slower. Motorways are a good example of the dangers of closing speeds, and how sone drivers half asleep suddenly
realise they are about to plough into bank of a slower moving car and either swerve out or hit the breaks causing massive
copy cat breaking behind and you see this every day in the fast lanes of roads where drivers tail gate. In Canada it’s against the
law to drive slower then other cars as they have understood the dangers of differentiated speed on roads. I think
the issue here is not about saving lives it’s about restricting motorcycle riders. Having driven abroad many years many bike
riders have a total disregard for speed limits and many motor cyclists weave in and out of multi lane roads in excess of the speed
limits this must really wind car drivers up who are unable to drive at the speeds they want to and this women is obviously one
of those frustrated by it. Restricting motorcyclists speed is not an answer to road safety.
You are 100% right. If this goes ahead it would be the inverse of what Ms Delli is thinking, we'll all be very vulnerable to other road users, as you well said.
Green Party eh? Your fears about this are entirely correct as is the cause. Doubt if this particular legislation will happen though although it could be the start of a watered down legislation as you say. As UK is generally more draconian to motorists and does like to ‘out-do’ the EU at the moment, it could be something to keep your eye on.
Only read the video title and my first thought was: yeah right. I very rarely see a motorcycle anywhere near the legal speed limit; they are usually going way too fast. Even if the bikes were compulsorily regulated the owners would immediately change them until the next MoT was due. This is a non-law.
Apparently on the Worcestershire/Shropshire border all they see is responsible courteous motorcyclists. Really?
And I'm absolutely certain that there will be a corresponding decrease in licensing fees, road taxes, and fuel surcharges now that you'll officially be considered second class motorists, right? And I totally agree with you and others regarding the horrible safety impact this will have on our community. This isn't legislation. It's control.
My daughter lives in Hull and I have to say that the whole area surrounding is a hidden gem - lovely countryside.
My youngest son lives in Hornsea.... it's beautiful round there 😊
I have noticed that, not only are the roads busier but, they have also become more dangerous due to an increase in what can only be classed as anti-social road use by an ever growing number of road users, mainly car and van drivers. Since 2020 they have become less aware and more impatient.
My husband is a retired motorcycle instructor and always keeps to the rules whether on the bike or in a car but he is talking about retiring from riding as he is that concerned about how dangerous it is becoming. I don't want to do so but would have no choice as I am now a pillion passenger due to health reasons.
I also think that there are some people on the road who think that the rules don't apply to them...for those who use the M62 between Leeds and Bradford you will know who I mean although it isn't limited to just that area...and as their presence on the road increases so does the danger.
A predictable consequence of ACPO abolishing the Traffic Division who specialised in highway policing and quite literally wrote the book: Motorcycle Roadcraft.
Huge mistake by ACPO.
Studies have been done that show that around 75% of motorcycle accidents are due to motorists either not seeing motorcyclist or cutting motorcycllist up on corners, junctions or even when they are over taking us. They simply don't see us - simply blind bats and I've been riding over 40 years (can also drive). I believe I'm a better driver because I know what motorcyclist can do. Maybe a better idea would be is to make ALL motorist ride motorcycles for a period of time and learn both sides of the coin.
First of all Stu glad to hear you’re on the mend. You are right about some motorcyclists who seem to think they have got to ride full throttle everywhere, I’m no angel at all but, when I see the risks some of these riders take I cringe and to be honest I find them embarrassing, because Joe Public sees these bikers and thinks we’re all the same.
I can only say - during lockdown our german government tried to introduce that rule here in Germany. They forbid us to protest against because of lockdown. We did the protest and created the biggest traffic jam ever here in munich and police couldn't do anything.
The rule was skipped.
So - fight for your right!
Does anyone remember Herr Bangemann? He wanted to limit all motorcycles in Europe to 100 hp, but there was such a groundswell of opposition, it never happened. Big campaign by MAG, BMF, FIM etc effectively showed him the error of his ways, and his proposal was dropped. 1980's if I remember correctly.
It happened in France. Around 2000 I rode a Kawa ZRX1100 that was limited to 100HP for the French market. I believe that rule has been dropped since.
As an ex police motorcyclist, racer and current track day instructor, I’ll say that this idea is fantastically illogical. It’s either mindless or extremely spiteful.
shes insane
I ride often.
Being "asked" to ride slower than surrounding traffic, putting my safety in the hands of the collection of untrained, unskilled, uninsured and unlicensed morons who seem to make up a fair proportion of car & van drivers these days would be suicidal.
I would ignore the law in that case.
Hi Stu. Great video. I suppose it would depend on whether this is ultimately taking us to a place where all vehicles including cars are restricted to the same speeds.
After introducing the law, and seeing accidents increase, they would use the new statistics to justify reducing all road vehicle speed limits.
Going 40km/h under the speed limit on a low visibility vehicle like a motorcycle is just asking to get rear ended.
I'm so sick of politicians making smooth brained idiotic decisions for us.
Perhaps this ridiculously weird law on the rise was invented by someone who was constantly overtaken by us motorcycle riders. Has boyfriends in higher up circles and is now rubbing his hands to supposedly take us back. As you also mentioned, the risk of accidents increases, people sit less on the motorcycle or want to learn to ride a motorcycle. It feels more like control and taking away the freedom that you are going to see more and more.
The fact that you can get away from cars is one of the safety benefits of motorcycles. Many car drivers are oblivious, and will run you over.
Surely this can't gain traction. Here in Australia, learners are told by instructors (and police) to ride slightly faster than the cars, to filter at lights to get out of the metal mayhem and so on. A lot of good motorcyclists (and some bad ones... hehe) will be lost to such a ruling. Cheers - Dave
We used to have some of the difference in speed limits on the interstates in the USA between cars and large trucks. Needless to say it caused more problems than the politicians foresaw do to a lack of common since on the political side.
We have left the EU, or at least we tried to! 😡😡😡 Glad you’re feeling better, I too had Covid last week, my second time!
As I recall, a California Highway Patrol study found that motorcycles are safer in traffic when traveling slightly faster than traffic. Stress on "slightly". The rationale is that when traveling like this the motorcyclist is in control of their environment as opposed to being a moving blockage that traffic coming from behind needs to negotiate.
Have you noticed Stu our bollacktitions never seem to come out with some new law that we the people actually like 🤬🤮,love watching your videos Stu 👍❤️
Good point. When was the last time they came up with something new that was actually a good idea. All they seem to do it come up with stuff that makes all our lives worse!
Honestly, I think there should be some proposals that mean you lose your job. Like "let's turn off the fridges in the dairy section to save electricity". These demonstrate complete incompetence. So with this proposal.
Glad you're up and about again Stuart and over your illness, but speaking of illnesses I think that the mental illness of these legislative fools is getting worse , coming up with illogical and counterproductive nonsense like this , I despair at how these people get into office?.
Enjoy your week Stuart, I'm off out for a ride in the morning sunshine, while I'm still allowed to travel! 😅 👍
Simply they want you to don't ride motorcycle. Why? Compared to a car owner you pay lower tax. You don't pay for parking. You pay less insurance. You buy less fuel.
Did I miss something or didn’t we leave the eu.
Yep, this wouldn’t stop people having accidents, due to the car ,or any other vehicle. There’s too many other variables. for goodness sake. There will always be accidents and this would add to it, just in a different way.
It might sound ridiculous to some, but I actually feel safer riding than I do driving. But, not if my movement were forcibly curtailed.
The day will come when we’re all just mindlessly moving around on a big conveyor belt.
Mind you, that kind of sounds like the M25. Thankfully don’t need to go near that road anymore 😄
One reason to leave the EU was so that when they come up with a stupid new regulation, we are free to ignore it. Instead we keep looking over our shoulder at what they are doing, and seem to be saying "hey what a ludicrous idea, we are free to ignore it, but let's do it here too and make everyone's life worse". .... Buffoons!
Not accidents but Incidents.
The A word is a media bias to evade responsibility by the careless or incompetent.
There's always someone at fault. Rarely the vehicle manufacturer or highway designer and usually the driver.
@@Shadrach666 Unexpected advocates for incompetence or inexperience however it is still the operators responsibility.
Vehicle defects are the manufacturer responsibility anywhere from design through construction to qualify control.
There's always someone at fault so the word accident is nothing more than a shallow attempt to deny responsibility.
It's a Road Traffic Incident with good reason.
We should have been encouraging more people onto powered 2 wheelers, not less. Better training, and awareness for motorists might help reduce motorcycle accidents.
The age thing is already in place in the netherlands like proposed. 16 for AM, 18 for A2 en eventually 24 for A. So that wouldn’t change much. But that speed limit would suck! However right now i almost never exceed 110kmh with my RE classic 500 and i never drive on the highway. But still it would simply end with the points you make here and probably ending people wanting to ride
Euro regulations have done a brilliant job of reducing choice of vehicles as manufacturers struggle to make a business case for innovation due to the costs of meeting limits.
A classic case of Because we can, and not because it's needed.
Result is fewer and fewer efficient users of road space and resources (motorcycles) but more larger heavier cars. It's wrong.
Age and Experience are not the same so age graduated licences are well meaning nonsense. It should be about skill, experience and insight, not age.
as a car driver, who commutes to work with an e-bike.
I have opted to buy a bike and an ebike kit, that can do the speed limit on the roads that I am taking (30mph tops) instead of buying a UK legal ebike (limited to 16mph) because:
1, As a cyclist I think it is more dangerous to be overtaken on city roads than keeping up with the car in front of me. (even though that means doing 30mph/50kmh on narrow tyres)
2, As a driver I'd rather be stuck behind a bike/motorbike doing speed limit than trying to overtake them doing 10-30 under speed limit.
edit: before anyone argues, my point is, that it doesn't matters who uses the road as long as they can be treated as cars and can go with the allowed speed limit. It is safer for the people on the road to think about every moving vehicle as equal than trying to math out the (speed) difference between a lorry, a pushbike, a motorbike and a car.
Brilliant video as always Stuart and i hope your feeling much better. They should look at car drivers who are now obviously using the "MYWAY CODE", as people now just do it however they like. Car driving standards these days are absolutely rubbish and they need to foxtrot oscar 🤔
I am sick of being told that it is for my own good. I bet the woman coming out with this stupid plan doesn't ride a bike.
I've been riding MC for over 48 years, and the scariest ride was when was running in my BSA B44 and couldn't keep up with the other motorists. There was an endless instances of tailgating and cars passing me without changing lane, scraping my elbow. When I then took a more centered position in my lane that mostly stopped, BUT THEN some insane drivers passed me on the wrong side!!! Why can't these politicians ask some motorcyclists before they open their mouths and expose their ignorance?
I learned from a friend's mother, who rides a Harley throughout South America, that the safest speed for motorcycles is like 10-20km/h faster than traffic. And when I started riding I confirmed it right away, riding slower than traffic is SCARY.
It's the whole point, then we have to lower the speed of cars to protect people who use motorcycles
In heterosexual Europe, where we don't fly rainbow flags on top of churches, motorcycles rarely comply with the speed limit because police cars never chase them. So going double the speed limit is standard. Highways are 140kph here, litter bikes go wide open throttle. Changing the speed limit here won't do much.
This is so ridiculous that it's probably certain to happen.
You will own nothing and be happy; who said that?
They ultimately want to make motorcycles safer by getting rid of them all together.. they portray the idea of individuality and freedom which the EU hate…
In Bulgaria (we are part of the EU) it has aways been like that on the highway motorcycles are restricted to 100 kph and for cars its 140 kph, on country roads its 90 for cars and 80 for motorcycles it just forces people to hide or bend the numberplate, no one on a bike drives at these speeds. We tryed protesting but to no avail, and now with the EU proposing it I guess there Will be no change sadly.
Well Done Stuart! The Motorcycling Knight!!! Cheers Graham.